The DH

[mat1419]

I personally think it's an awful rule to have a DH. I'm from the school of thought that says the 9 guys who play the field should have to hit and having a DH is like the Heat having a designated foul shooter to go to the line every time Shaq gets fouled. The DH elimates the double switch, how pitchers work to the back of the order, and all the other fun things that NL managers have to deal with that AL managers sit back and smile at.

That aside, I think one of most ridiculous things in sports is having half the league use a DH and the other half not allowed to. It's the most irrational thing ever.

And furthermore, with DHing in the league to "make things more exciting", why in an exhibition all star game would they force pitchers to hit when, for once, runs and hitting take the place of staying true to the game?

[mikeford]

DH both leagues

its 2006

pitchers dont need to hit anymore. concentrate on whats important.

[KB3RG]

I am not in favor of either or. However, it should not be in a way which AL had DH and NL does not. If they have it for one, have it for both. Its that simple. When the Al pitchers have to step up and try to hit during interleague play, it gives the NL a slight advantage because some of the pitchers are actually decent hitters. I still laugh everytime I see Randy Johnson with a bat

[justinevans]

i don't mind it the way it is. They are different leagues.

[Jesse2]

I say either leave it the way it is, or add a DH to the NL. there's no way the players association would ever let them get rid of DHs at this point.

[Spicoli hey bud]

i don't mind it the way it is. They are different leagues.
yes but that means absolutely nothing. They're both playing for the same common goal. If I had to choose, I'd probably go with DH in both leagues.

[justinevans]

yes but that means absolutely nothing. They're both playing for the same common goal. If I had to choose, I'd probably go with DH in both leagues.

well the NL is the Sr. Circuit and AL is the Jr. Circuit. However, I know it is the same goal, but the AL has an advantage too because more times than not they sign someone to be the DH, so in a world series they still have the advantage where the NL is playing a bench player.

The number of pitchers who can hit is very low anyway. I like seeing pitchers help themselves anyway. In the AL you can DH for anyone so, if you have a pitcher can hit, give him a shot.

[mat1419]

the pitcher batting slow allows for so much more strategy. double switches, walking the 8th man, pinch hitting an inning before a pitcher is done or waiting it out, pinch hitting for you pinch hitter so you can get the best match up. it's awful how much they've taken out of the game so that guys who can't field the ball can still get up and hit homers.

and it makes no sense to have it different between the leagues. it's like the nfc not being able to use a kicker for field goals and the afc having an extra roster spot to hold one.

[wessa]

I personally think it's an awful rule to have a DH. I'm from the school of thought that says the 9 guys who play the field should have to hit and having a DH is like the Heat having a designated foul shooter to go to the line every time Shaq gets fouled. The DH elimates the double switch, how pitchers work to the back of the order, and all the other fun things that NL managers have to deal with that AL managers sit back and smile at.

That aside, I think one of most ridiculous things in sports is having half the league use a DH and the other half not allowed to. It's the most irrational thing ever.

And furthermore, with DHing in the league to "make things more exciting", why in an exhibition all star game would they force pitchers to hit when, for once, runs and hitting take the place of staying true to the game?

agreed, i would love to get rid of the DH, the little strategy that exists in baseball is taken away by the DH. Plus it employs unathletic people who can hit a ball very far. Can you say Mo Vaughn?

[mikeford]

MO VAUGHN PLAYED FIRST BASE ALL THE TIME YOU KNOW-NOTHING

try this on for size

1305 games at first base for Mo
173 games at DH for Mo

eat it.

[Jesse2]

agreed, i would love to get rid of the DH, the little strategy that exists in baseball is taken away by the DH. Plus it employs unathletic people who can hit a ball very far. Can you say Mo Vaughn?

but at the same time... not having a DH is putting SHITTY hitters at the plate (seemingly always in key situations). Anyone here is isn't bothered seeing randy johnson (or the like) at the plate with the game on the line is out to fucking lunch.

[Chriz2z]

but at the same time... not having a DH is putting SHITTY hitters at the plate (seemingly always in key situations). Anyone here is isn't bothered seeing randy johnson (or the like) at the plate with the game on the line is out to fucking lunch.
That's when a smart manager would pinch hit someone.

[justinevans]

but at the same time... not having a DH is putting SHITTY hitters at the plate (seemingly always in key situations). Anyone here is isn't bothered seeing randy johnson (or the like) at the plate with the game on the line is out to fucking lunch.

thats where strategy comes in, you try to have better 7 and 8 hitters.

[Scott Weber]

DH both leagues

its 2006

pitchers dont need to hit anymore. concentrate on whats important.
agreed 100%

plus, without DHs there would have been no Edgar Martinez past 1995, and that's just sad.

[Jesse2]

That's when a smart manager would pinch hit someone.

you NL dudes don't get annoyed having to leave your ace up at the plate to strike out?

[justinevans]

you NL dudes don't get annoyed having to leave your ace up at the plate to strike out?

We like small ball. The way the game was supposed to be played. Hey look at it this way, if there was always a DH, Babe Ruth wouldn't have hit that many hrs.

[Jesse2]

We like small ball. The way the game was supposed to be played. Hey look at it this way, if there was always a DH, Babe Ruth wouldn't have hit that many hrs.

Give me a break.

You don't have to use a DH, and I think it's pretty safe to say no manager would have put a DH in for Ruth.

[Brownpants06]

And I bet every owner gets a little nervous when their star pitcher steps up to the plate.

[justinevans]

And I bet every owner gets a little nervous when their star pitcher steps up to the plate.

its add excitement when your pitcher can hit.

[mikeford]

until a pitcher can bat .280, they shouldnt be hitting

its a joke.

[LeftWideOpen]

Having pitchers hit kills the momentum of the game. It's as close as you can come to an automatic out these days because they don't have the time to practice hitting. You seriously want a pitcher to worry about his hitting technique and BP on top of everything else he has to be aware of for his start? Or do you enjoy the .200 averages weighing down the entire team?

I'd rather see them go to 8 man lineups and eliminate the DH in the AL before they allow pitchers to hit. It ruins the game because all small ball does is decrease a team's potential to score runs and win the game, which is the point of playing after all. if you want a purely intellectual battle, take up chess. if you want to see the best athletes doing what they do best, institute the DH in the NL or even go to 8 man lineups.

Hitters hit, pitchers pitch. End of story. The game is too advanced these days to make pitchers worry about anything else.

[Jesse2]

Having pitchers hit kills the momentum of the game. It's as close as you can come to an automatic out these days because they don't have the time to practice hitting. You seriously want a pitcher to worry about his hitting technique and BP on top of everything else he has to be aware of for his start? Or do you enjoy the .200 averages weighing down the entire team?

I'd rather see them go to 8 man lineups and eliminate the DH in the AL before they allow pitchers to hit. It ruins the game because all small ball does is decrease a team's potential to score runs and win the game, which is the point of playing after all. if you want a purely intellectual battle, take up chess. if you want to see the best athletes doing what they do best, institute the DH in the NL or even go to 8 man lineups.

Hitters hit, pitchers pitch. End of story. The game is too advanced these days to make pitchers worry about anything else.

:amen:

[JIMMYateEARTH]

I enjoy the DH,
In lower Levels it is a very useful tool when one player is weak offensively, but very strong Defensivly.

As the upper levels I stll belive its good, pitchers don't need to hit.

[ActorInThisPlay]

I have mixed feelings about the DH but I do feel that whatever the outcome is, it should remain constant in both leagues.

[justinevans]

until a pitcher can bat .280, they shouldnt be hitting

its a joke.

livan is hitting .257
john thomson is hitting .267
jennings and francis are hiting .257 for colorado
chan ho park is hitting .323
brad hennessey is hitting .294
mark mulder is hitting .280

3 guys hitting atleast .280 =)

[mikeford]

find me a pitcher in the last 50 years whos career average is .280 or above. half a season means nothing. matt clement was like 10-2 last season at the break.

[mat1419]

find me a pitcher in the last 50 years whos career average is .280 or above. half a season means nothing. matt clement was like 10-2 last season at the break.
ortiz's career average is only like .280. most pitchers aren't used to hit for average for two reasons, 1) the DH has allowed for it to be acceptable for pitchers to suck at hitting, and 2) if a pitcher doesn't want to master hitting, they can learn how to sacrifice, which essentially can make the 8 through 2 hitters a small ball, run producing machine if the manager positions it all right. see tom glavine.

[Scott Weber]

ortiz's career average is only like .280. most pitchers aren't used to hit for average for two reasons, 1) the DH has allowed for it to be acceptable for pitchers to suck at hitting, and 2) if a pitcher doesn't want to master hitting, they can learn how to sacrifice, which essentially can make the 8 through 2 hitters a small ball, run producing machine if the manager positions it all right. see tom glavine.
Please tell me you're not comparing David Ortiz, one of the best, pure, power and clutch hitters in the game, to pitchers. Especially since Ortiz is coming off of back to back .300 seasons. Let's get real.

[mat1419]

Please tell me you're not comparing David Ortiz, one of the best, pure, power and clutch hitters in the game, to pitchers. Especially since Ortiz is coming off of back to back .300 seasons. Let's get real.
i wasn't, i was merely pointing out that his average throughout his career isn't exactly mind blowing either.

[mikeford]

oh wow yeah his average is lifetime .280 okay nice comparison find a pitcher who has 200 career homeruns then

oh wait
theres never been one

ever.
in the history of baseball
the most by a pitcher is Wes Ferrel with 36 over 13 years and babe ruth doesnt count so dont even bring that up.

[FondestMemory]

i like it how it is.

come the world series, there's no better home field advantage than in baseball. forces the away manager to really prove themselves.

i like it different. makes perfect sense to me.

[mat1419]

babe ruth doesnt count so dont even bring that up.
why, because he's the exception to your argument?

and your original point was off topic anyway. the arguement i have for abolishing the DH isn't based on pitchers being good hitters, it's based on strategy and consistency. pitchers typically don't hit for high averages, they're not asked to. that doesn't mean they're spot in the lineup isn't critical to any game though.

[mikeford]

uh no idiot, cuz he didnt pitch for the majority of his career. thats why it doesnt count.

[justinevans]

find me a pitcher in the last 50 years whos career average is .280 or above. half a season means nothing. matt clement was like 10-2 last season at the break.

http://www.thebaseballpage.com/features/2002/hittingpitchers/default.htm#1975-1999

idk about career, but I thought this was pretty neat.

look at fucking don drysdale .300 avg and 7 hrs in 100 at bats in 1965.

[justinevans]

why, because he's the exception to your argument?

and your original point was off topic anyway. the arguement i have for abolishing the DH isn't based on pitchers being good hitters, it's based on strategy and consistency. pitchers typically don't hit for high averages, they're not asked to. that doesn't mean they're spot in the lineup isn't critical to any game though.

yeah ruth stopped pitching for the most part in 1919.

[mat1419]

uh no idiot, cuz he didnt pitch for the majority of his career. thats why it doesnt count.
he still batted it for his pitching career.

what have you done lately?

[Scott Weber]

having a pitcher hit is like making a running back kick the extra point after he scores a touchdown.

[johnx]

It's totally unfair right now. They gotta go one way. Either both DH, or both not DH. The National League looks like a bunch minor league teams this year compared to the American League.

[Jesse2]

having a pitcher hit is like making a running back kick the extra point after he scores a touchdown.

or making peyton play cornerback

[SePaMc]

oh wow yeah his average is lifetime .280 okay nice comparison find a pitcher who has 200 career homeruns then

oh wait
theres never been one

ever.
in the history of baseball
the most by a pitcher is Wes Ferrel with 36 over 13 years and babe ruth doesnt count so dont even bring that up.

he already said pitchers force small ball play. why do you say find one with 200 home runs? don't call me an idiot, that isn't a very good arguing technique. just answer the question or don't.

[Spicoli hey bud]

You build the 1 through 9 spots in the lineup around HITTING, plain and simple. If you have a pitcher that can hit, great, but why go through the burden of having to deal with a poor hitter, who is in the game to throw pitches to the opposing team. Having a DH makes more sense in my mind. Don't give me that strategy shit either, because the truth is that most 9 hitters are going to be the weaker ones in the lineup anyway. How rare is it that you'll find a pitcher that would be in the lineup if he weren't pitching? almost never. it's worthless and it takes away from the game from an offensive standpoint. PITCHERS are there to PITCH. PERIOD.

[SePaMc]

You build the 1 through 9 spots in the lineup around HITTING, plain and simple. If you have a pitcher that can hit, great, but why go through the burden of having to deal with a poor hitter, who is in the game to throw pitches to the opposing team. Having a DH makes more sense in my mind. Don't give me that strategy shit either, because the truth is that most 9 hitters are going to be the weaker ones in the lineup anyway. How rare is it that you'll find a pitcher that would be in the lineup if he weren't pitching? almost never. it's worthless and it takes away from the game from an offensive standpoint. PITCHERS are there to PITCH. PERIOD.

there are defenders in the game where defenders are far better at their position then hitting. They can hit, yes, but it isn't their specialty.

And nobody ever said 9 hitters were GOOD. He's just saying they should have to hit. It forces the manager to make moves. Pull the pitcher with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the sixth in a 2-1 game? Leave him in?

With a DH those problems don't affect you.

I'm fairly neutral in this argument, just trying to help people see both sides. I don't like baseball enough to really care. And I agree that the All-Star game should have a DH.

[justinevans]

having a pitcher hit is like making a running back kick the extra point after he scores a touchdown.

that is a bad comparison. I could make this comparison then...having a dh is like having someone come off the bench to shoot free throws for shaq or ben wallace.

[Spicoli hey bud]

there are defenders in the game where defenders are far better at their position then hitting. They can hit, yes, but it isn't their specialty.

And nobody ever said 9 hitters were GOOD. He's just saying they should have to hit. It forces the manager to make moves. Pull the pitcher with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the sixth in a 2-1 game? Leave him in?

With a DH those problems don't affect you.

I'm fairly neutral in this argument, just trying to help people see both sides. I don't like baseball enough to really care. And I agree that the All-Star game should have a DH.
I didn't say that players aren't in there because they are defensive specialists. I said that you build the 1 through 9 spots (THE BATTING ORDER) based on HITTING. To get to the majors as a position player other than pitcher, you MUST be able to HIT.

[Scott Weber]

that is a bad comparison. I could make this comparison then...having a dh is like having someone come off the bench to shoot free throws for shaq or ben wallace.
No, because basketball games are won by scoring points. It's already Shaq's job to score points. When he's at the line, he's still scoring points. On the other hand, it's not the pitcher's job to score runs. Your comparison is even worse. The only point is that it's ridiculous...although I did like the Peyton Manning playing cornerback comparison.

[justinevans]

No, because basketball games are won by scoring points. It's already Shaq's job to score points. When he's at the line, he's still scoring points. On the other hand, it's not the pitcher's job to score runs. Your comparison is even worse. The only point is that it's ridiculous...although I did like the Peyton Manning playing cornerback comparison.

whatever man, anyway your boy Bobby Jones has been looking pretty good in mini-camp.

[Scott Weber]

whatever man, anyway your boy Bobby Jones has been looking pretty good in mini-camp.
good. he's on myspace if you want to add him, haha. and yes, it really is him.

www.myspace.com/bobbysworld15

[justinevans]

good. he's on myspace if you want to add him, haha. and yes, it really is him.

www.myspace.com/bobbysworld15

hahah nice.

[justinevans]

good. he's on myspace if you want to add him, haha. and yes, it really is him.

www.myspace.com/bobbysworld15

fitting a black guy and pic of halle berry. he said have AI's song on it.

[zizou1790]

i dont mind it

[shane hennessey]

the DH is lame, the game is meant for 9 men, not 10. i have been a competitive pitcher for the last 7 years of my life and there are certain duties that come to you as a pitcher, and one is being able to produce offensively. its an original part of the game and changing it is an absolute shame. a manager should be able to take the team he has and produce a batting order around the strengths and weaknesses on his team. to have the comfort of a DH is cheating to a certain extent. and not all pitchers suck at hitting. some are able to play great small ball, and the occasional pitcher drops a home run, especially today. and to say "find me a pitcher that has hit 200 home runs in their career" is stupid. a pitcher gets 2 to maybe 3 at bats a game unless they go the full game and maybe has 40-80 at bats the whole season compared to 400-500 that an infielder or outfielder gets.

[Scott Weber]

lol @ cheating. read the thread.

[mat1419]

On the other hand, it's not the pitcher's job to score runs.
Baseball was a two way sport for 100 years. All players play offense and defense. So you're comparision holds no water. In baseball, it's essentially saying one guy doesn't have to do half of his job, and another guy will do it for him. And in baseball, games are won by scoring runs, so having a guy play offense for you while you only play D is exactly like having someone come in and shoot free throws that you can't make for you.

Regardless, my biggest beef is that it's in one league and not both or neither. I don't think it should exist at all because it's a gimmick, but it should at least be consistant.

[Scott Weber]

Nice, completely contorting and changing your Shaq argument into one that makes sense. *rolls eyes*

I don't really care that it's different in both. I like the DH and if my team was an NL team, it might bother me, but it doesn't really.

[Spicoli hey bud]

the DH is lame, the game is meant for 9 men, not 10. i have been a competitive pitcher for the last 7 years of my life and there are certain duties that come to you as a pitcher, and one is being able to produce offensively. its an original part of the game and changing it is an absolute shame. a manager should be able to take the team he has and produce a batting order around the strengths and weaknesses on his team. to have the comfort of a DH is cheating to a certain extent. and not all pitchers suck at hitting. some are able to play great small ball, and the occasional pitcher drops a home run, especially today. and to say "find me a pitcher that has hit 200 home runs in their career" is stupid. a pitcher gets 2 to maybe 3 at bats a game unless they go the full game and maybe has 40-80 at bats the whole season compared to 400-500 that an infielder or outfielder gets.
When you get to the major leagues, and you're among the best of the best, pitchers shouldn't be able to hit with the rest of them. If you look at high school and college teams, sure some of the better hitters can also hit, but the more you advance towards the majors, the more difficult that becomes.

The DH is far from lame.

[mat1419]

Nice, completely contorting and changing your Shaq argument into one that makes sense. *rolls eyes*

I don't really care that it's different in both. I like the DH and if my team was an NL team, it might bother me, but it doesn't really.
i didn't change it at all, they're exactly the same.

[justinevans]

i didn't change it at all, they're exactly the same.

you see that eagles-cowboys video i posted?

[Scott Weber]

i didn't change it at all, they're exactly the same.
Your first argument was to imply that Shaq was bad at shooting free throws so he should have somebody come in to do that for him, according to the DH argument. The point I made was that free throws are still a part of offense, and Shaq is on the field as an offensive and defensive specialist, unlike a DH. This is completely different than a DH, who is on the field for all offense related things, not one specific thing such as free throws, which is what you implied. There are no designated runners in baseball. When I pointed this out, you changed your argument to "all-time defense," which is a stupid example when it comes to Shaqulle O'Neal, or even Ben Wallace because of all the offensive rebounds he gets. Thanks for playing.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I cant say I dont like it because I have David Ortiz.

but in all actuality, I dont mind it. Having a DH gives you a real line-up of hitters and challenges the pitchers more and the pitchers are still doing what they're paid for.

[LeftWideOpen]

those of you who prefer DH's to pitchers ... what are you thoughts on an 8 man batting order, w/out the DH?

I don't know how I feel about it, but it's something to consider.

[Scott Weber]

those of you who prefer DH's to pitchers ... what are you thoughts on an 8 man batting order, w/out the DH?

I don't know how I feel about it, but it's something to consider.
I was thinking about that earlier. I'm not against it personally, but if we were to go 8 man there's really no reason not to have a DH.

[LeftWideOpen]

I was thinking about that earlier. I'm not against it personally, but if we were to go 8 man there's really no reason not to have a DH.

yeah, just for those who think you shouldn't hit if you don't play defense, this is an alternative to having a corpse w/ a bat hitting in the 9 spot, like they have in the NL.

[Scott Weber]

yeah, just for those who think you shouldn't hit if you don't play defense, this is an alternative to having a corpse w/ a bat hitting in the 9 spot, like they have in the NL.
Haha if you can't hit if you don't play defense then Manny is out of a job ;)

[justinevans]

Haha if you can't hit if you don't play defense then Manny is out of a job ;)

bobby abreu too.

[bigmike]

i'm pretty indifferent on it.

[FondestMemory]

my two favorite teams are both national league teams.

but i fully support the dh being in the al.

i would hate it if they abolished it completely or added it to the nl. the leagues in baseball are more a seperate entity than the conferences in other sports. it's really not comparable.

i say do away with interleague play, but keep the dh exactly how it is. then, home field means the world come october. then of course, it needs to be made where you earn home field and it's not decided by an exhibition game.

[LeftWideOpen]

Haha if you can't hit if you don't play defense then Manny is out of a job ;)

haha, you know what i meant. plus, manny's defensive shortcomings are exaggerated.

[bigmike]

haha, you know what i meant. plus, manny's defensive shortcomings are exaggerated.
and made up for by his consistent 140 RBI seasons, in my opinion.

[LeftWideOpen]

and made up for by his consistent 140 RBI seasons, in my opinion.

agreed, it's give and take ...and manny gives much more to the team with his bat then he takes away with his glove.

[Scott Weber]

and made up for by his consistent 140 RBI seasons, in my opinion.
Totally.

[cantnokdahustle]

Why do we even have the hitters playing the field?

I mean, all of the wear and tear that fielding and hitting puts on the body, not to mention the strain that thinking puts on the mind. Lets just have the hitters hit, the pitchers pitch, and the fielders field. It should be exactly like football. Defense, Offense, and special teams are the way to go for all sports.

Why be bothered with having to do TWO different functions while playing a sport, namely Thinking and Excercise, that just doesn't make any sense. Human beings aren't even capable of doing two things at a time...well atleast in close proximity to one another, namely fielding and a short while later, hitting.

I mean that way we could have 55-49 run games instead of that pidly 15-7 crap we have in the american league. So shut up National League Bitches, this isn't soccer, where you have to be in top physical and mental shape and only get to have maybe one orgasm a match. We want multiple orgasms and we want them until it hurts.

...So yeah, Fuck having to be good at more than one aspect of a complete game!

[Jesse2]

Why do we even have the hitters playing the field?

I mean, all of the wear and tear that fielding and hitting puts on the body, not to mention the strain that thinking puts on the mind. Lets just have the hitters hit, the pitchers pitch, and the fielders field. It should be exactly like football. Defense, Offense, and special teams are the way to go for all sports.

Why be bothered with having to do TWO different functions while playing a sport, namely Thinking and Excercise, that just doesn't make any sense. Human beings aren't even capable of doing two things at a time...well atleast in close proximity to one another, namely fielding and a short while later, hitting.

I mean that way we could have 55-49 run games instead of that pidly 15-7 crap we have in the american league. So shut up National League Bitches, this isn't soccer, where you have to be in top physical and mental shape and only get to have maybe one orgasm a match. We want multiple orgasms and we want them until it hurts.

...So yeah, Fuck having to be good at more than one aspect of a complete game!

you should take that act on the road

[mat1419]

Your first argument was to imply that Shaq was bad at shooting free throws so he should have somebody come in to do that for him, according to the DH argument. The point I made was that free throws are still a part of offense, and Shaq is on the field as an offensive and defensive specialist, unlike a DH. This is completely different than a DH, who is on the field for all offense related things, not one specific thing such as free throws, which is what you implied. There are no designated runners in baseball. When I pointed this out, you changed your argument to "all-time defense," which is a stupid example when it comes to Shaqulle O'Neal, or even Ben Wallace because of all the offensive rebounds he gets. Thanks for playing.
it's not stupid at all, you're just calling it out for being slightly off on how deeply the DH covers for the pitcher. i actually think the way you put it sounds worse for DHing.

so i'll make a new analogy to fit your needs, it's like Shaq sitting in the paint on offense, and when they give the ball over, he tags in another dude to go play defense for him. All the big guy has to do is block some shots. But that would just be ridiculous...

[Scott Weber]

it's not stupid at all, you're just calling it out for being slightly off on how deeply the DH covers for the pitcher. i actually think the way you put it sounds worse for DHing.

so i'll make a new analogy to fit your needs, it's like Shaq sitting in the paint on offense, and when they give the ball over, he tags in another dude to go play defense for him. All the big guy has to do is block some shots. But that would just be ridiculous...
Baseball is not basketball, so this is pointless. Basketball is constant and baseball is slow and methodical, and we're only talking about a FEASABLE change in one sport so let's keep it that way, mmk?

[bigmike]

Why do we even have the hitters playing the field?

I mean, all of the wear and tear that fielding and hitting puts on the body, not to mention the strain that thinking puts on the mind. Lets just have the hitters hit, the pitchers pitch, and the fielders field. It should be exactly like football. Defense, Offense, and special teams are the way to go for all sports.

Why be bothered with having to do TWO different functions while playing a sport, namely Thinking and Excercise, that just doesn't make any sense. Human beings aren't even capable of doing two things at a time...well atleast in close proximity to one another, namely fielding and a short while later, hitting.

I mean that way we could have 55-49 run games instead of that pidly 15-7 crap we have in the american league. So shut up National League Bitches, this isn't soccer, where you have to be in top physical and mental shape and only get to have maybe one orgasm a match. We want multiple orgasms and we want them until it hurts.

...So yeah, Fuck having to be good at more than one aspect of a complete game!
no, please, stop. the laughter is killing my ribs. seriously. i'm cracking up.


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[mat1419]

Baseball is not basketball, so this is pointless. Basketball is constant and baseball is slow and methodical, and we're only talking about a FEASABLE change in one sport so let's keep it that way, mmk?
hey, i gotta kill time at work somehow.

[LeftWideOpen]

Why do we even have the hitters playing the field?

I mean, all of the wear and tear that fielding and hitting puts on the body, not to mention the strain that thinking puts on the mind. Lets just have the hitters hit, the pitchers pitch, and the fielders field. It should be exactly like football. Defense, Offense, and special teams are the way to go for all sports.

Why be bothered with having to do TWO different functions while playing a sport, namely Thinking and Excercise, that just doesn't make any sense. Human beings aren't even capable of doing two things at a time...well atleast in close proximity to one another, namely fielding and a short while later, hitting.

I mean that way we could have 55-49 run games instead of that pidly 15-7 crap we have in the american league. So shut up National League Bitches, this isn't soccer, where you have to be in top physical and mental shape and only get to have maybe one orgasm a match. We want multiple orgasms and we want them until it hurts.

...So yeah, Fuck having to be good at more than one aspect of a complete game!

so you went from special teams to orgasms in soccer, but one thing remained constant ...your status as a retard. so here, i borrowed this from asianxcore, it's my gift to you ...go ahead, try it on ..

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/danmarhelmet.jpg


awwww there you go. :overhead:

[bigmike]

so you went from special teams to orgasms in soccer, but one thing remained constant ...your status as a retard. so here, i borrowed this from asianxcore, it's my gift to you ...go ahead, try it on ..

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/danmarhelmet.jpg


awwww there you go. :overhead:
hahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha
Oh that is amazing.

[cantnokdahustle]

so you went from special teams to orgasms in soccer, but one thing remained constant ...your status as a retard. so here, i borrowed this from asianxcore, it's my gift to you ...go ahead, try it on ..


awwww there you go. :overhead:


You advocate the dumbing down of what has historically been the most strategic physical game in all of sports, and i'm the one whom you consider worthy of the "special helmet?" :rolleyes: Brilliant!

[LeftWideOpen]

You advocate the dumbing down of what has historically been the most strategic physical game in all of sports, and i'm the one whom you consider worthy of the "special helmet?" :rolleyes: Brilliant!

try making a legitimate point without being condescending and snide and maybe people will treat with you some respect.

[FondestMemory]

You advocate the dumbing down of what has historically been the most strategic physical game in all of sports, and i'm the one whom you consider worthy of the "special helmet?" :rolleyes: Brilliant!

i like that you're talking like the dh was just implemented two years ago. it's been around for a while. so, historically, the dh is a part of the game also.

[LeftWideOpen]

i like that you're talking like the dh was just implemented two years ago. it's been around for a while. so, historically, the dh is a part of the game also.

nah, this kid watched joe dimaggio, ty cobb, and babe ruth all in person (or at least you'd think so after his initial post).

[mat1419]

i like that you're talking like the dh was just implemented two years ago. it's been around for a while. so, historically, the dh is a part of the game also.
so were the negro leagues but it didn't make em right

[FondestMemory]

so were the negro leagues but it didn't make em right

is that the only card you can come up with?

are you honestly comparing not having pitchers hit to segregation?

wow.

[mat1419]

is that the only card you can come up with?

are you honestly comparing not having pitchers hit to segregation?

wow.
it was a joke smart guy

[cantnokdahustle]

nah, this kid watched joe dimaggio, ty cobb, and babe ruth all in person (or at least you'd think so after his initial post).


yes, because i had to have been alive during the above players' era to appreciate National League Baseball.

[FondestMemory]

it was a joke smart guy

considering the rest of your argument in this thread, it somehow seemed reasonable.

[mat1419]

considering the rest of your argument in this thread, it somehow seemed reasonable.
you are

[histrionics22]

Baseball is not basketball, so this is pointless. Basketball is constant and baseball is slow and methodical, and we're only talking about a FEASABLE change in one sport so let's keep it that way, mmk?
Umm weren't you the one that compared it to football?

I dont think 8 player batting orders would do. Its too big of a change.

There are plenty of pitchers that can hit. Bobby Hampton, Jason Marquis. Having the pitcher up in a crucial situation does not really slow the game down in my opinion. It makes the teams better when they get runners on and move them over. Then again, I'm used to watching the National League. I'm not a big fan of slug fests.

[LeftWideOpen]

Umm weren't you the one that compared it to football?

I dont think 8 player batting orders would do. Its too big of a change.

There are plenty of pitchers that can hit. Bobby Hampton, Jason Marquis. Having the pitcher up in a crucial situation does not really slow the game down in my opinion. It makes the teams better when they get runners on and move them over. Then again, I'm used to watching the National League. I'm not a big fan of slug fests.

you named two pitchers, and one of them doesnt even exist. There's seriously no more than a handful of pitchers who can manage anything above .250. You have one of two choices when most pitchers come up: sacrifice bunt or take your chances (about 20%) that he'll reach base.

how that helps the game of baseball is beyond me. there's no such thing as the two-player in baseball anymore and there hasn't been for quite some time. a couple of guys (like dontrelle) can get by on pure athleticism because even he doesnt spend much time on his swing. no pitcher has the time for that in baseball these days because the hitters are better than ever and pitchers can only afford to focus on getting them out, not outslugging them.

[histrionics22]

you named two pitchers, and one of them doesnt even exist. There's seriously no more than a handful of pitchers who can manage anything above .250. You have one of two choices when most pitchers come up: sacrifice bunt or take your chances (about 20%) that he'll reach base.

how that helps the game of baseball is beyond me. there's no such thing as the two-player in baseball anymore and there hasn't been for quite some time. a couple of guys (like dontrelle) can get by on pure athleticism because even he doesnt spend much time on his swing. no pitcher has the time for that in baseball these days because the hitters are better than ever and pitchers can only afford to focus on getting them out, not outslugging them.
Haha I meant Mike. Sorry its late and I havent slept much last few days.

Anyway, its the same for all National league teams, so if your pitcher just happens to get up with a runner in scoring position and two outs, then you hope for the best. There are a lot of pitchers who are athletic and able to help themselves. You don't have to outslug them to win. You just have to play better baseball.

[LeftWideOpen]

Haha I meant Mike. Sorry its late and I havent slept much last few days.

hampton's out of baseball right now though. he was alright in his prime, but he was only alright because he managed to hit 300 a couple times when he only had 65-75 at bats.

its not that hard to hit for a high average when you only come to the plate 65 times. Ask Pablo Ozuna ..dude's hitting over .400 but thats because he's only come to the plate 90 or so times.

[histrionics22]

hampton's out of baseball right now though. he was alright in his prime, but he was only alright because he managed to hit 300 a couple times when he only had 65-75 at bats.

its not that hard to hit for a high average when you only come to the plate 65 times. Ask Pablo Ozuna ..dude's hitting over .400 but thats because he's only come to the plate 90 or so times.
Yea well who knows how'd they fair if they came to the plate more. They also bunt and sacrifice a lot which drops the number of ABs. I think people make too big a deal about how terrible pitchers are at hitting.