Alesana - The Emptiness

[Drew Beringer]

Alesana – The Emptiness
Release Date: January 26, 2010
Record Label: Fearless

“I am here to tell you a story. A story that will torture your thoughts by day and poison your dreams by night. And though I will do my best, there are no words that can be written nor brush strokes laid on canvas that can describe this stark and utter horror of the night that Annabel died”

It’s not often that the first few seconds of an album perfectly describes what you are about to hear, but if you replace “story” with “album” and “Annabel died” with “Drew Beringer listened to The Emptiness,” then you have a perfect description of Alesana’s latest offering of "lolcore (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=322588)."

Seriously, what else is there to say? The Emptiness is exactly what the title implies – this album is void of any creativity and enjoyment. Sure the music is sometimes decent, but the screeching sing-scream tandem delivered by Dennis Lee and Shawn Milke immediately ruins any progress made.

The sound is just hollow. While some choice cuts from 2008’s Where Myth Fades To Legend were mildly entertaining and showed some promise, The Emptiness is just more of the same, if not worse. Jeremy Bryan shines on drums throughout, but that might be the lone bright spot.

The hooks are somewhat catchy but terribly generic (see: “To Be Scared By An Owl”), while the screaming utterly destroys tracks like “Curse Of The Virgin Canvas” and “The Murderer.” And while the band's roster promises a triple-guitar attack, it rarely shows up. Three guitars aren’t that special when they are mimicking each other.

And don’t get me started on the lyrics. Edgar Allen Poe is spinning in his grave as this album plays (The Emptiness’ concept is based around the letters Poe wrote to his wife). Take this brilliant piece of storytelling: “The knife slides down to the tip of my tongue./I'm finding pleasure in watching you writhe./I lean in just to lick the sweat off your face./I taste the reverence dripping down my throat.” That’s just the tip of the iceberg of failure.

Alesana’s The Emptiness is the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme. There are no words or brush strokes that can truly describe how bad this album is. Alesana truly has (had?) the potential to be something decent, as their last album showed some promise, but The Emptiness has torn down whatever little foundation this band had to begin with.

Track Listing:
1. Curse of the Virgin Canvas
2. The Artist
3. A Lunatic’s Lament
4. The Murderer
5. Hymn for the Shameless
6. The Thespian
7. Heavy Hangs the Albatross
8. The Lover
9. In Her Tomb By The Sounding Sea
10. To Be Scared By An Owl
11. Annabel
Produced by: Kris Crummett

Alesana is:
Dennis Lee – screaming vocals
Shawn Milke – vocals/guitar
Patrick Thompson – lead guitar
Jeremy Bryan – drums
Shane Crump – bass
Jake Campbell – rhythm guitar

Official Website (http://www.alesanaofficial.com); Official Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/alesana)

[gr33ndayfr3ak]

Yikes.

[aradiantsunrise]

Harsh!

[Argentine]

Poor Annabel. She deserved a better album.

[Broden Terry]

Oh dear. I've never been into this genre anyhow.

[brandon_260]

This review was very well written, I know Alesana is a band with many "haters" but i personally thought that the album was quite good, sure the lyrics are a little off and their screaming can on occasion be a little too much to swallow but Shawn Milke has a great voice and the fact that the concept of the album flows and tells a perfect story definetly means that the album isn't a total bust

[runningfree1]

i agree with this review 100%.
this album sucked so hard.

[Deejford]

I think the most enjoyment I received from this album was listening to The Artist where a dance beat falls directly into a double bass run. I thought it was ridiculous and starting laughing. I then remembered you calling them "lolcore" and that I never took that title literally. Until now... Well played Beringer, well played.

[njsuccessstory]

A little vague at times but still pretty good review. I especially loved Jake Delhomme jab.

[andthetruthwill]

This album is stellar. The last song alone absolutely blows away everything this band has done previous and ends the album with reassurance of complete awesomeness. I don't think I can stop smiling every time I listen to this record. There's more singing, guitar solos, the instrumentation is excellent. And there are definitely a few "aww" moments in the lyrics.

Whereas Where Myth Fades to Legend was pure energy, this one has a more balanced temperance to it. Alesana is one of those rare bands that is continually outstanding over the years, both in their live show and on record. And I really admire how they work together as a band on their records and keep control of it, even though they bring a producer in, it's Alesana's statement above all. And they made a really really good one this time around.

[denissuxx]

Awful album

[xapplexpiex]

Wowzers. Way to tell it like it is though.

And I don't mean to be a dick, but don't you mean "were" and not "where" in the 4th paragraph, second line?

[Yellowcard2006]

I looked at the score.

Then I lol'd.

[UnderMyDreams]

Wow... I actually liked it.

[SomedayTheFire]

hahahahahahaha

[inthemidst]

"Alesana’s The Emptiness is the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme."

:lolatpost:

[saveferris]

A lot of my friends really love this band. The first time I met them we were talking about bands and someone mentioned Alesana and I was like "yeah they suck" and they looked me in shock and were like what's wrong with you are you crazy? Well apparently i'm not. I win.

[Max_123]

While I agree with this review, i'm not sure why reviewers on this site spend their time reviewing crap like this when you, and we all know what the score is going to be and that a majority of the review is going to be saying just how bad the album is.

[Keagan Ilvonen]

This band is a complete utter joke and anyone that takes them seriously, should really get their musical tastes reevaluated.

[superBMRuth]

Outburn gave this album a 10/10. The same score they gave Tegan & Sara's Sainthood. My brain had an aneurysm.

[newfoundmichael]

I saw them open for From Autumn to Ashes about four years ago, and I literally thought the lead singer of this band was a chick until about the fifth song. I've never listened to any recordings, but I think it is safe to say that there is nothing here worth spending time on.

[kemichels]

This album is stellar. The last song alone absolutely blows away everything this band has done previous and ends the album with reassurance of complete awesomeness. I don't think I can stop smiling every time I listen to this record. There's more singing, guitar solos, the instrumentation is excellent. And there are definitely a few "aww" moments in the lyrics.

Whereas Where Myth Fades to Legend was pure energy, this one has a more balanced temperance to it. Alesana is one of those rare bands that is continually outstanding over the years, both in their live show and on record. And I really admire how they work together as band on their records and keep control of it, even though they bring a producer in, it's Alesana's statement above all. And they made a really really good one this time around.
What, lol.

[awakeohsleeper]

Haha, worst album review I've seen for ages.

Edit: by that I meant the score not the writing ability! Excellent review.

[yetconfused]

lolcore....

[Broclee]

Alesana’s The Emptiness is the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme.

So sad, yet so true.

I hate my state sometimes.
:-(

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

sounds like chiodos.....

[Star Slight]

sounds like chiodos.....
Yeah thats what I thought from the 30 second Itunes preview.

[miketheauthor]

Haha booyah

[sweepthenation]

Damn, but its true

[brent_ster]

I didnt think it was overly bad, but nothing spectacular

[drudo182]

I don't think I've ever seen a score this low before on the site! lolololololol

Never heard this band but I might have to listen to it now. Haha.

[subplotofcrows]

I used to listen to Alesana a lot several years ago. Then, after Myth was released and I saw them on Warped, I thought that they sucked. Then I saw them in concert again, and nothing changed. This whole album sounds the same as everything they've done previously. The screaming dying-cat vocals really suck. The only song that stands out to me is "Heavy Hangs the Albatross", which I really like very much. Besides that, the new album is bad.

[Alex DiVincenzo]

When the album stream was posted, I gave it a try, but between the cheesy intro and the awful growls, I turned it off half way through the first song. With so much great music out there, I won't waste my time on stuff like this. Good review though.

[donwagenblast]

Not surprised in the least bit, and I never saw the hype behind this band.

[Spenny]

Haha, worst album review I've seen for ages.

Edit: by that I meant the score not the writing ability! Excellent review.
No, you're right. The review is poorly written. Bad album, bad review.
I know Drew is a good writer, this just came off as trying too hard to get a laugh and not giving much useful info.

But oddly enough the only time I laughed was the comment about the last album showing promise when it's even worse than this one (and that's saying something).

On Frail Wings was decent and will likely remain the band's only album that doesn't suck ass.

[JoeSledger]

This album is stellar. The last song alone absolutely blows away everything this band has done previous and ends the album with reassurance of complete awesomeness. I don't think I can stop smiling every time I listen to this record. There's more singing, guitar solos, the instrumentation is excellent. And there are definitely a few "aww" moments in the lyrics.

Whereas Where Myth Fades to Legend was pure energy, this one has a more balanced temperance to it. Alesana is one of those rare bands that is continually outstanding over the years, both in their live show and on record. And I really admire how they work together as a band on their records and keep control of it, even though they bring a producer in, it's Alesana's statement above all. And they made a really really good one this time around.

Wow yowzers! Pretty harsh & scathing review. I agree it was Alesana's best work to date. I definitely enjoy listening to it & I don't regret supporting it with my 8 bucks.

[BozzBlonde]

The low growls completely killed it for me. They just seemed really out of place.
The only track I kind of liked was To Be Scared By An Owl.
Other than that, nothing really stood out to me.

[jasonisasleep]

this band annoys me...always has.

[TriangularDuck]

this is a good deal better than any of their other efforts in basically every aspect, can't understand why it's scored 21% lower than the last one. I think it's a pretty solid 3.5 star album. What's wrong Drew, lose too much E-cred on the last review?

[QuietThings430]

When I first saw the album cover I thought it was a vagina.

[DryEarth]

"Alesana’s The Emptiness is the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme."

Best line in the entire review.

[mymusicismylife]

I probably shouldn't be pointing fingers since #12 and Sawtooth Grin are two of my favorite bands, but these vocals are terrible.

[TheRealJohnOC]

"..the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme." Brilliant line! I'm assuming BTBAM was the only good thing to come out of Carolina? lol

[the seventeenth]

This album is stellar. The last song alone absolutely blows away everything this band has done previous and ends the album with reassurance of complete awesomeness. I don't think I can stop smiling every time I listen to this record. There's more singing, guitar solos, the instrumentation is excellent. And there are definitely a few "aww" moments in the lyrics.

Whereas Where Myth Fades to Legend was pure energy, this one has a more balanced temperance to it. Alesana is one of those rare bands that is continually outstanding over the years, both in their live show and on record. And I really admire how they work together as a band on their records and keep control of it, even though they bring a producer in, it's Alesana's statement above all. And they made a really really good one this time around.

agreed. I don't see why why these guys get so many haters, I think they are one of the 'better' bands around and they deserve more respect for the great albums they have continually realeased (The Emptiness being their best.)

[lakemichigan]

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[TROKyle]

agreed. I don't see why why these guys get so many haters, I think they are one of the 'better' bands around and they deserve more respect for the great albums they have continually realeased (The Emptiness being their best.)

I agree. Thought this was the best work Alesana has put out, and that it is a very enjoyable CD that will probably get much playtime, at least from me.

I don't understand why people review albums that they know they are going to hate and give it a low score. Its like someone knowing that they are allergic to some sort of food and going ahead and eating it anyway knowing the outcome will be bad.

I love the concept of the album too, and I'm excited to see Alesana play and deliver this live, seeing that they always put on a spectacular show.

[the seventeenth]

completely disagree. Alesana have matured since 'Where Myth Fades...' and this time around have realeased an amazing album that highlights Alesana's uniqueness and ability to continually keep their fans on their toes and realease better albums than their last. Sometimes I just don't understand what the world has against this band, and even Dennis's screams. come on.

[Debut_Fin]

This album is stellar. The last song alone absolutely blows away everything this band has done previous and ends the album with reassurance of complete awesomeness. I don't think I can stop smiling every time I listen to this record. There's more singing, guitar solos, the instrumentation is excellent. And there are definitely a few "aww" moments in the lyrics.

Whereas Where Myth Fades to Legend was pure energy, this one has a more balanced temperance to it. Alesana is one of those rare bands that is continually outstanding over the years, both in their live show and on record. And I really admire how they work together as a band on their records and keep control of it, even though they bring a producer in, it's Alesana's statement above all. And they made a really really good one this time around.
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[zubinmoosa]

haha Drew, Scott Heisel called you out on twitter:
@scottheisel POOR WRITING 101: "The hooks could be catchy if they weren’t so generic." So you're saying something could be good if it wasn't so bad? Wow!

[Josh20426]

Jake Delhomme at least made it to a Super Bowl and a couple NFC championships, he's no where near as bad as this album

[Drew Beringer]

lol that's awesome

[The Summer Ends]

i remember hearing apology on punk goes acoustic 2 and thinking it was okay, so i went to their myspace. i heard apology on there and started to crack up because of how utterly shitty it was. this band is so fucking terrible.

[Drew Beringer]

haha Drew, Scott Heisel called you out on twitter:
@scottheisel POOR WRITING 101: "The hooks could be catchy if they weren’t so generic." So you're saying something could be good if it wasn't so bad? Wow!
it made more sense in my head last night, I need an editor!

[marsvoltamcr]

This is the only Alesana album I like. It's definitely a huge improvement from their earlier work.

[Drow Swordsman]

This genre is full of craptacular bands as it is, its sad that many consider this band at the forefront of it. Terrible terrible band and album. I like We Came As Roman's EP and Broadway's full length was pretty good, but I can't stand one minute of Alesana.

[Rysker6]

Murderer!!

[tyramail]

This is the only Alesana album I like. It's definitely a huge improvement from their earlier work.
me too, i thought it was enjoyable for the most part. although, i think this album concept would be a lot cooler if this band didn't try so hard on the dark/macabre image. it makes me take them less seriously.

[WhoSaidThat?]

it made more sense in my head last night, I need an editor!
Heisel should be your editor, dude. You'd have to pay him in pizza, however

[Drow Swordsman]

it made more sense in my head last night, I need an editor!
Its not that poor. He's inferring that generic is automatically bad, and catchy is automatically good. You were basically saying one could get into the hook if they didn't realize "man, these lyrics are so cheesy and I've heard this a hundred times before". That being said, I'm not an english major by any stretch of the imagination.

[Drew Beringer]

Its not that poor. He's inferring that generic is automatically bad, and catchy is automatically good. You were basically saying one could get into the hook if they didn't realize "man, these lyrics are so cheesy and I've heard this a hundred times before". That being said, I'm not an english major by any stretch of the imagination.
heh I simplified it in my review. The saving grace of the edit button!

[Dystroxia]

Honestly I totally disagree with this review.

I thought it was their best album, the previous two were nothing but shit buckets.

The vocals a 1? Come on, Milke can sing...at least a 4 if you're gonna be harsh.

EDIT: What was I thinking? This band is horrible

[Dystroxia]

This is the only Alesana album I like. It's definitely a huge improvement from their earlier work.
Now this I totally agree with.

[SomedayTheFire]

Honestly I totally disagree with this review.

I thought it was their best album, the previous two were nothing but shit buckets.

The vocals a 1? Come on, Milke can sing...at least a 4 if you're gonna be harsh.
With bckets and buckets of auto-tune he can sing yeah.

[andthetruthwill]

Wow yowzers! Pretty harsh & scathing review. I agree it was Alesana's best work to date. I definitely enjoy listening to it & I don't regret supporting it with my 8 bucks.
Yes indeedy. I spent ten. And pretty much everyone bashing them doesn't listen to their records or go to see them play, it's all hate for the trend of hate's sake.

[Drow Swordsman]

With bckets and buckets of auto-tune he can sing yeah.
And even then, his voice is incredibly annoying. This is coming from someone who typically is a fan of "emo" voices. I can't stand it.

[Drow Swordsman]

Yes indeedy. I spent ten. And pretty much everyone bashing them doesn't listen to their records or go to see them play, it's all hate for the trend of hate's sake.
Actually I saw them touring with bands I liked at one point (this was a few months ago, before I started lurking ap.net, don't remember what the bands are anymore). And then I checked out their music, exactly what you said would make us NOT bash them. Hmm..

[Dystroxia]

With bckets and buckets of auto-tune he can sing yeah.
See, the praise is coming on

:)

lol jkjk

[andthetruthwill]

Actually I saw them touring with bands I liked at one point (this was a few months ago, before I started lurking ap.net, don't remember what the bands are anymore). And then I checked out their music, exactly what you said would make us NOT bash them. Hmm..
Well, I'm glad you found some pleasure in them. Honestly, they are so good. I'm seeing them again in two weeks, on Valentine's Day no less. They, and that show, shall be outstanding. So anxious to see the new songs live.

[punkDbass]

i dont understand why u reviewed this album? this isnt a review at all its just a bunch of hating, idc whether the band deserves it or not... this was such a pointless review.

[Drow Swordsman]

Well, I'm glad you found some pleasure in them. Honestly, they are so good. I'm seeing them again in two weeks, on Valentine's Day no less. They, and that show, shall be outstanding. So anxious to see the new songs live.
Actually, I worded that poorly. I was trying to say I don't like them at all, but I wasn't biased by anyone else because I was expecting to like them based on who they were touring with, since you implied that everyone that doesn't like them does so because its a trend or something. His screams are honestly awful and I can't stand the lyrics that try too hard to be meaningful but fail (imo).

[Nick Le]

Lolz.

[twokidtech]

The vocals are good, the screamo is bad, really bad. That's all I have to say about this. But then again, I hate screamo generally. It feels like I'm listening to someone getting tortured. Well, I guess it's great for people who like horror movies.

[twokidtech]

While I agree with this review, i'm not sure why reviewers on this site spend their time reviewing crap like this when you, and we all know what the score is going to be and that a majority of the review is going to be saying just how bad the album is.
Not really, I came here thinking a lot of people liked this band and it would get a review above 60% at least. Looks like I was wrong. See, then I went and listened to them, and realized, I agree with this rating and review.

[COREhorizon]

I feel bad that Drew had to listen to this.

[thesollopsist]

ahahahaha

[Broclee]

"..the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme." Brilliant line! I'm assuming BTBAM was the only good thing to come out of Carolina? lol

Pretty much.

Yes indeedy. I spent ten. And pretty much everyone bashing them doesn't listen to their records or go to see them play, it's all hate for the trend of hate's sake.

I love how you know everything about everyone on this site who doesn't like this band. :rolleyes:
For the record, I've heard both of their previous albums and seen them live once, and I still can't stand them in any way, shape, form, or fashion. But hey, I'm hating to be "trendy," right?


Also, people bitching about Drew reviewing an album he "knew" he wasn't going to like have no idea how reviews are supposed to work.

[robat19]

lol

[aradiantsunrise]

The emptiness will haunt yewwww!!!!1!!!ONE!1!!

[JonnyJonnyJonny]

This album is stellar. The last song alone absolutely blows away everything this band has done previous and ends the album with reassurance of complete awesomeness. I don't think I can stop smiling every time I listen to this record. There's more singing, guitar solos, the instrumentation is excellent. And there are definitely a few "aww" moments in the lyrics.

Whereas Where Myth Fades to Legend was pure energy, this one has a more balanced temperance to it. Alesana is one of those rare bands that is continually outstanding over the years, both in their live show and on record. And I really admire how they work together as a band on their records and keep control of it, even though they bring a producer in, it's Alesana's statement above all. And they made a really really good one this time around.

Dad?

[Echo Park]

damn, can an album really be that bad? I mean, that Asian guy from American album made an album.

[barkingincision]

album cover reminds me of the first time i tried butt sex


no dice

[Billy Black]

"That's just the tip of the iceberg of failure." = literal lol moment.

[CarouselBoy]

Man that was pretty scathing. I've never heard this band before, but I'd seen the cover art of the record and had been thinking "maybe i should check them out." Not that I won't, but that review definitely turned me off to the band. Funny how people can talk glowingly about them when Drew made a convincing argument against the record.


While I agree with this review, i'm not sure why reviewers on this site spend their time reviewing crap like this when you, and we all know what the score is going to be and that a majority of the review is going to be saying just how bad the album is.

Because people that that don't or hardly participate on this site come here for reviews. People are interested in seeing what ap.net has to say about new records.

No, you're right. The review is poorly written. Bad album, bad review.
I know Drew is a good writer, this just came off as trying too hard to get a laugh and not giving much useful info.

But oddly enough the only time I laughed was the comment about the last album showing promise when it's even worse than this one (and that's saying something).

On Frail Wings was decent and will likely remain the band's only album that doesn't suck ass.

what are you talking about? It had plenty of useful info. He backed up everything negative he had to say with specific examples/reasons.

haha Drew, Scott Heisel called you out on twitter:
@scottheisel POOR WRITING 101: "The hooks could be catchy if they weren’t so generic." So you're saying something could be good if it wasn't so bad? Wow!

WOW. Though I feel that Mr. Heisel was a little too harsh for such a technicality. Unless his review was full of that, which I don't think it was. Maybe Heisel was butt hurt over the bad review.

i dont understand why u reviewed this album? this isnt a review at all its just a bunch of hating, idc whether the band deserves it or not... this was such a pointless review.

So you're say criticism shouldn't be in a review. If he thinks the record is of little worth then so be it. Nothing pointless about it.

[sonicfury]

wow, terrible review, another prime example of writers on this site caring more about being funny and their credibility than putting the effort in to write something decent. this album is a definite step up from their previous ouput (final track being a case in point), so the fact that it got a significantly lower score than the last album undermines the entire review, that and the total lack of relevence in the review itself. i get that this isn't particularly revolutionary stuff but in terms of the genre it's one of the better examples in my opinion. compare that to the droves of cut and paste pop punk albums that consistently get 60/70%. meh. pretty much what i expected, bravo ap...

[Dystroxia]

wow, terrible review, another prime example of writers on this site caring more about being funny and their credibility than putting the effort in to write something decent. this album is a definite step up from their previous ouput (final track being a case in point), so the fact that it got a significantly lower score than the last album undermines the entire review, that and the total lack of relevence in the review itself. i get that this isn't particularly revolutionary stuff but in terms of the genre it's one of the better examples in my opinion. compare that to the droves of cut and paste pop punk albums that consistently get 60/70%. meh. pretty much what i expected, bravo ap...
I also totally agree with this.

Oh, and I wrote a review for this album, hopefully it gets approved.

[Drow Swordsman]

wow, terrible review, another prime example of writers on this site caring more about being funny and their credibility than putting the effort in to write something decent. this album is a definite step up from their previous ouput (final track being a case in point), so the fact that it got a significantly lower score than the last album undermines the entire review, that and the total lack of relevence in the review itself. i get that this isn't particularly revolutionary stuff but in terms of the genre it's one of the better examples in my opinion. compare that to the droves of cut and paste pop punk albums that consistently get 60/70%. meh. pretty much what i expected, bravo ap...
The Word Alive, Broadway, Miss May I, Bury Tomorrow, We Came As Romans, Agraceful, Akissforjersey, ADTR, The Color Morale, and old Emarosa are ALL much better than this (I think the bands I listed get generally better in increasing order actually, haha). I'm honestly interested in hearing what you think the worse examples of this genre are (other than the obvious Breathe Carolina, brokencyde, and Asking Alexandria), if these guys are one of the better ones.

[InBetweenAisles]

lol

[TROKyle]

I also totally agree with this.

Oh, and I wrote a review for this album, hopefully it gets approved.

Looking forward to your review, but its going to get shit on because it will probably be a positive review.


What happened to people listening to music for entertainment? Guess thats not allowed anymore?
The clean vocals have, for a lack of a better word, matured since the last release. I personally think the clean vocals are some of the best in the scene at this point in time. Sure the screamer sucks the massive D (mainly the lows/growls, they are dreadful), but they definately do not deserve as low of a score as they got. He is well above the average singer, but I guess being better then average does not mean that you get a better than average score. Same could be applied to just about everything.
Just because you do not find any entertainment value in a CD doesn't mean it should get an overall score of 25%.
How can Alesana be "bad"? They are in the upper tier of this scene, a band does not get there by being bad and releasing terrible CD's.

Reviews are subjective and bias.
Guess these guys should release a generic indie/punk album, they will get a high(er) score then.

[Drew Beringer]

lol people take it so personally when an album they like gets a bad score. I didn't like the album, in fact I hated it. It has nothing to do with cred, I don't have any. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I think you're dumb for liking it. Like what you want, this is just my opinion.

[Dystroxia]

lol people take it so personally when an album they like gets a bad score. I didn't like the album, in fact I hated it. It has nothing to do with cred, I don't have any. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I think you're dumb for liking it. Like what you want, this is just my opinion.
I personally don't think you're dumb for not liking this album.

Now, if it were BrokeNCYDE...

[Dystroxia]

Looking forward to your review, but its going to get shit on because it will probably be a positive review.


What happened to people listening to music for entertainment? Guess thats not allowed anymore?
The clean vocals have, for a lack of a better word, matured since the last release. I personally think the clean vocals are some of the best in the scene at this point in time. Sure the screamer sucks the massive D (mainly the lows/growls, they are dreadful), but they definately do not deserve as low of a score as they got. He is well above the average singer, but I guess being better then average does not mean that you get a better than average score. Same could be applied to just about everything.
Just because you do not find any entertainment value in a CD doesn't mean it should get an overall score of 25%.
How can Alesana be "bad"? They are in the upper tier of this scene, a band does not get there by being bad and releasing terrible CD's.

Reviews are subjective and bias.
Guess these guys should release a generic indie/punk album, they will get a high(er) score then.
I agreed with EVERYTHING you said.

It's honestly all true, too.

EDIT: Thank you, it will be a positive review, and I will try to make a comment about it before anyone else does.

[TROKyle]

lol people take it so personally when an album they like gets a bad score. I didn't like the album, in fact I hated it. It has nothing to do with cred, I don't have any. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I think you're dumb for liking it. Like what you want, this is just my opinion.

You don't like it. Good.
Doesn't mean that it should get a 25%.
Good job comparing it to other bands around the genre.
Its definately better than more then half the stuff in this genre/scene.

EDIT: Not intended to be a personal insult or anything, I lurk around and read most of your reviews. It is just almost obvious when you review something you "like" and something you "hate". I did not take offense in the review, I just believe it is very unfair and subjective. Not something one should want on a site that people go to for reviews.



Also, people bitching about Drew reviewing an album he "knew" he wasn't going to like have no idea how reviews are supposed to work.


Hmm...
Looks like you have the right idea.
But fall up short on being correct.
Reviews are supposed to be unbiased and comparitive.
Not full of opinion and personal preference.

[MartyrsCasualty]

I agree. Thought this was the best work Alesana has put out, and that it is a very enjoyable CD that will probably get much playtime, at least from me.

I don't understand why people review albums that they know they are going to hate and give it a low score. Its like someone knowing that they are allergic to some sort of food and going ahead and eating it anyway knowing the outcome will be bad.

I love the concept of the album too, and I'm excited to see Alesana play and deliver this live, seeing that they always put on a spectacular show.
Actually, the metaphor is a little off. I'd say that Alesana is more like a physical piece of shit. The general public finds it gross, and would never think of "eating it" as you stated in your metaphor. Those that like the band are like people with scat porn fetishes, and would like nothing more than to eat that giant pile of shit.

In other words, maybe it's you with the problem, and not everyone else.

[MartyrsCasualty]

You don't like it. Good.
Doesn't mean that it should get a 25%.
Good job comparing it to other bands around the genre.
Its definately better than more then half the stuff in this genre/scene.

EDIT: Not intended to be a personal insult or anything, I lurk around and read most of your reviews. It is just almost obvious when you review something you "like" and something you "hate". I did not take offense in the review, I just believe it is very unfair and subjective. Not something one should want on a site that people go to for reviews.




Hmm...
Looks like you have the right idea.
But fall up short on being correct.
Reviews are supposed to be unbiased and comparitive.
Not full of opinion and personal preference.
No review is not biased. Music is subjective, so without bias, no opinions could be formulated from the music.

[snoboardnfreek]

this review is way off base and harsh..i understand its your opinion and everything but i thought reviews were supposed to be unbiased? this review exists on the same level of the article bashing TSL's reunion show, written by some idiot.

[Dystroxia]

Actually, the metaphor is a little off. I'd say that Alesana is more like a physical piece of shit. The general public finds it gross, and would never think of "eating it" as you stated in your metaphor. Those that like the band are like people with scat porn fetishes, and would like nothing more than to eat that giant pile of shit.

In other words, maybe it's you with the problem, and not everyone else.
Yes, you would say Alesana is a piece of shit.

It's an opinion, and I respect it.

But I like them, this is my opinion, and I hope you respect it.

[Star Slight]

Looking forward to your review, but its going to get shit on because it will probably be a positive review.


What happened to people listening to music for entertainment? Guess thats not allowed anymore?
The clean vocals have, for a lack of a better word, matured since the last release. I personally think the clean vocals are some of the best in the scene at this point in time. Sure the screamer sucks the massive D (mainly the lows/growls, they are dreadful), but they definately do not deserve as low of a score as they got. He is well above the average singer, but I guess being better then average does not mean that you get a better than average score. Same could be applied to just about everything.
Just because you do not find any entertainment value in a CD doesn't mean it should get an overall score of 25%.
How can Alesana be "bad"? They are in the upper tier of this scene, a band does not get there by being bad and releasing terrible CD's.

Reviews are subjective and bias.
Guess these guys should release a generic indie/punk album, they will get a high(er) score then.
...You're complaining about a review. A review by someone who didn't like the CD. Reviews are all subject to opinion, and his was that the CD was terrible. Just because he found no entertainment value in the CD does mean that it should get a terrible review. It's not like he's going to give them an A for effort.


He didn't like it, he didn't like the music or the vocals or the lyrics, why would he give it a good score?

Edit:
"How can Alesana be "bad"? They are in the upper tier of this scene, a band does not get there by being bad and releasing terrible CD's."

....is that a fact?

[imelliott]

agree with every word.

[TROKyle]

No review is not biased. Music is subjective, so without bias, no opinions could be formulated from the music.
So someone can play a one note song with the same, simple rhythem
And someone else can play a song that has technical rhythems and chord progressions

But you are saying that there is no way to determine which is musically better without using bias?

[BigG1392]

Sure it wasn't revolutionary, but it wasn't terrible. There were a couple of parts where I thought the growls/screams were unnecessary, but overall the singing was nice and I liked it for what it was.

I think the problem with a lot of people is that they set their expectations way too high with music. If an album isn't EXACTLY how they like it, there's no choice but for it to be terrible. I'm guilty of this, too. No disrespect at all to the reviewer, I thought the score was a bit low but overall you had your own opinions and backed them up well, I can't knock you for that. Good job

[nickymetal]

Recommended if you like: the sound of shit dissipating into methane...

[Drow Swordsman]

You don't like it. Good.
Doesn't mean that it should get a 25%.
Good job comparing it to other bands around the genre.
Its definately better than more then half the stuff in this genre/scene.


I've heard four or five of you keep saying "this band makes way better music that x amount of music in this genre". Please, tell me the worst bands of this genre if you honestly believe this is one of the bands in the "top tier" as another put it. I'm a fan of the GENRE, but can see right through how much this bands tries to produce anything with meaning and just fails miserably (imo). The singing doesn't deserve a 1 (but I find his voice incredibly annoying, but then again some people find Anthony Green's voice annoying) but the screams sound worse than most high school bands I've heard. I refer you to my previous comment.

The Word Alive, Broadway, Miss May I, Bury Tomorrow, We Came As Romans, Agraceful, Akissforjersey, ADTR, The Color Morale, and old Emarosa are ALL much better than this (I think the bands I listed get generally better in increasing order actually, haha). I'm honestly interested in hearing what you think the worse examples of this genre are (other than the obvious Breathe Carolina, brokencyde, and Asking Alexandria), if these guys are one of the better ones.

[barkingincision]

you people are ridiculous. arguing back and forth over this?
the band sucks. the review was fine. get real.

[TROKyle]

I've heard four or five of you keep saying "this band makes way better music that x amount of music in this genre". Please, tell me the worst bands of this genre if you honestly believe this is one of the bands in the "top tier" as another put it. I'm a fan of the GENRE, but can see right through how much this bands tries to produce anything with meaning and just fails miserably (imo). The singing doesn't deserve a 1 (but I find his voice incredibly annoying, but then again some people find Anthony Green's voice annoying) but the screams sound worse than most high school bands I've heard. I refer you to my previous comment.
Will do sir.
Alesana > ;
Attack Attack! (More musically talented by miles, and can actually sing)
Asking Alexandria (musically talented)
Bring Me the Horizon (^)
Agree, old Emarosa > Alesana but..
Johnny Craig Emarosa < Alesana (although Craig has an awesome voice, its so monotonous and musically dull IMO)
This one will piss people off, Every Time I Die (this one is personal opinion, ETID not my can of worms)
FFTL
PTV (Like his voice better than Vic)
Sienna Skies
A Skylit Drive (Same as Emarosa, except with a couple actually good songs)

[Star Slight]

Will do sir.
Alesana > ;
Attack Attack! (More musically talented by miles, and can actually sing)
Asking Alexandria (musically talented)
Bring Me the Horizon (^)
Agree, old Emarosa > Alesana but..
Johnny Craig Emarosa < Alesana (although Craig has an awesome voice, its so monotonous and musically dull IMO)
This one will piss people off, Every Time I Die (this one is personal opinion, ETID not my can of worms)
FFTL
PTV (Like his voice better than Vic)
Sienna Skies
A Skylit Drive (Same as Emarosa, except with a couple actually good songs)
Do not put Every Time I Die anywhere near the same genre as Attack Attack or this band

[Drow Swordsman]

Will do sir.
Alesana > ;
Attack Attack! (More musically talented by miles, and can actually sing)
Asking Alexandria (musically talented)
Bring Me the Horizon (^)
Agree, old Emarosa > Alesana but..
Johnny Craig Emarosa < Alesana (although Craig has an awesome voice, its so monotonous and musically dull IMO)
This one will piss people off, Every Time I Die (this one is personal opinion, ETID not my can of worms)
FFTL
PTV (Like his voice better than Vic)
Sienna Skies
A Skylit Drive (Same as Emarosa, except with a couple actually good songs)
A Skylit Drive's first album is great. The lyrics weren't anything special but I thought they had some good song writing. Their second album got obnoxious (even MORE generically placed screams, and the singing got SUPER annoying to me for some reason) and had that terrible story line.

Yeah, I hate Attack Attack! too, normally like to group these two bands together actually.

If you check my first posts, you can tell I'm not a Jonny Craig fan, but even his stuff with Emarosa comes off as more sincere than Alesana (at least he doesn't play into being as generically emo as possible), and their music is not generic in the least.

BMTH sucks but they are not in the same genre. BMTH's first album is in the trendy deathcore category. I don't care about Suicide Season but I don't think its changed that much.

ETID is HEAPS better than Alesana. Even if they aren't your bag (they have more of a hardcore edge to them) they come off as infinitely more sincere without going to the grab bag for things that sound like a Hawthorne Heights lyric.

Yeah, FFTL also blows. Pierce the Veil isn't great either.

Well, at least you didn't say many good bands were worse than Alesana. Guess we'll agree to disagree.

[TROKyle]

"How can Alesana be "bad"? They are in the upper tier of this scene, a band does not get there by being bad and releasing terrible CD's."

....is that a fact?

One can look @ plays/record sales to determine that.
I'll stand by my arguement someone proves me wrong.

[Star Slight]

One can look @ plays/record sales to determine that.
I'll stand by my arguement someone proves me wrong.
no, I'm saying are you sure that they can't get there by being bad and releasing terrible CD's?


Also you ignored the rest of my post.

[TROKyle]

A Skylit Drive's first album is great. Their second album got obnoxious and had that terrible story line.

Yeah, I hate Attack Attack! too, normally like to group these two bands together actually.

If you check my first posts, you can tell I'm not a Jonny Craig fan, but even his stuff with Emarosa comes off as more sincere than Alesana (at least he doesn't play into being as generically emo as possible), and their music is not generic in the least.

BMTH sucks but they are not in the same genre. BMTH's first album is in the trendy deathcore category. I don't care about Suicide Season but I don't its changed that much.

ETID is HEAPS better than Alesana. Even if they aren't your bag (they have more of a hardcore edge to them) they come off as infinitely more sincere without going to the grab bag for things that sound like a Hawthorne Heights lyric.

Yeah, FFTL also blows. Pierce the Veil isn't great either.

Well, at least you didn't say many good bands were worse than Alesana. Guess we'll agree to disagree.

True, Emarosa is not generic. Just listening to their CD I think they relied on Craig to sing them to success; which is not a bad strategy. I've seen them live 3-4 times since Craig joined, and I must say my favorite part of their set is when they play Casablanca. Even though it always sounds like garbage.

But I guess my question to you, and its an honest question not cynical or some sort of personal attack, is what your definition of "good" is. Like is it based off of real talent, personal opinion, or popularity?

[i fux i fux]

everything>>>>>>>>>>>>>alesana

[Drow Swordsman]

True, Emarosa is not generic. Just listening to their CD I think they relied on Craig to sing them to success; which is not a bad strategy. I've seen them live 3-4 times since Craig joined, and I must say my favorite part of their set is when they play Casablanca. Even though it always sounds like garbage.

But I guess my question to you, and its an honest question not cynical or some sort of personal attack, is what your definition of "good" is. Like is it based off of real talent, personal opinion, or popularity?
Agreed to the Emarosa comment. I'm not a fan of Relativity and in almost any other thread where Roetter vs Craig comes up you'll see me slam Craig/new Emarosa a bit.

It's gotta be a combination. Does anyone on ap.net listen to a band for popularity? I know a whole group of 16 year old girls who think Alesana is the best thing since Hawthorne Heights hahahahah (I have a neighbor who's into that and I see all of her friends comment on her profile). I only started lurking ap.net about a month or so ago. If all I wanted was pure raw technical talent, I wouldn't be on ap.net, obviously. Read through my posts, even on this single thread, and its easy to tell (like most on this website, I think) meaning and connections are what mean the most to me. This band isn't making a real connection. They seem to rely on gothy emo trends (and I listen to plenty of "emo" music) and getting big for it. Aside from that, I just happen to think their screams are atrocious, and his singing is forced into the generic emo sound, which makes it sound awful imo. If you connect to what they're saying, then go listen your heart out. Don't assume others don't like this band just because of what one website says.

[Dystroxia]

Do not put Every Time I Die anywhere near the same genre as Attack Attack or this band
Attack Attack sucks though

[Star Slight]

Attack Attack sucks though
...?

[TROKyle]

no, I'm saying are you sure that they can't get there by being bad and releasing terrible CD's?


Also you ignored the rest of my post.
Uhh...yeah?
Its not easy to get as big as Alesana is. You can not get to the top tiers of anything without being good. Thought that was almost common sense. Alesana is good at what they do; people love it, people hate it.

Also I ignored the rest of your post because I thought I answered that before.
I was complaining because I felt the review was unfair, they are way better then your average musician/band in every aspect listed on the review. They should at minimum have gotten a 50%.
He can sing, the guitarists are duds and can all play very well, the rythems are not all the same or straightforward/predictable. Each song sounds different too.

[TROKyle]

Attack Attack sucks though
+1

If I understood where you were going correctly.

[Dystroxia]

Agreed to the Emarosa comment. I'm not a fan of Relativity and in almost any other thread where Roetter vs Craig comes up you'll see me slam Craig/new Emarosa a bit.

It's gotta be a combination. Does anyone on ap.net listen to a band for popularity? I know a whole group of 16 year old girls who think Alesana is the best thing since Hawthorne Heights hahahahah (I have a neighbor who's into that and I see all of her friends comment on her profile). I only started lurking ap.net about a month or so ago. If all I wanted was pure raw technical talent, I wouldn't be on ap.net, obviously. Read through my posts, even on this single thread, and its easy to tell (like most on this website, I think) meaning and connections are what mean the most to me. This band isn't making a real connection. They seem to rely on gothy emo trends (and I listen to plenty of "emo" music) and getting big for it. Aside from that, I just happen to think their screams are atrocious, and his singing is forced into the generic emo sound, which makes it sound awful imo. If you connect to what they're saying, then go listen your heart out. Don't assume others don't like this band just because of what one website says.
I surely do not listen to bands because of popularity.

At my school, about 3 people listen to Asking Alexandria, and I am one of them.

At my school, I'm the only one that listens to Broadway, Alesana, TDWP, maybe Underoath, and other bands.

Everyone else basically listens to Lil Wayne, which can perfectly answers this question you asked:

Does anyone on ap.net listen to a band for popularity?

If you were to ask this at my school, most people would tell you no, but I guarantee they do, because about 80% of all the kids at my school (there are about 1500) listen to Lil Wayne. I think it's a popularity, but who knows. :shrug:

You know what I mean?

[Dystroxia]

...?
What, you don't remember what you posted?

[Dystroxia]

+1

If I understood where you were going correctly.
What do you mean?

[Drow Swordsman]

I surely do not listen to bands because of popularity.

At my school, about 3 people listen to Asking Alexandria, and I am one of them.

At my school, I'm the only one that listens to Broadway, Alesana, TDWP, maybe Underoath, and other bands.

Everyone else basically listens to Lil Wayne, which can perfectly answers this question you asked:

Does anyone on ap.net listen to a band for popularity?

If you were to ask this at my school, most people would tell you no, but I guarantee they do, because about 80% of all the kids at my school (there are about 1500) listen to Lil Wayne. I think it's a popularity, but who knows. :shrug:

You know what I mean?
I wasn't implying you were man. That statement was in response to the other guy, not a question to you. I said on ap.net. Meaning do users on absolutepunk.net listen to bands just because they're popular? Not "do people as a whole listen to music because its popular?". My answer was, I don't think so. A lot of us are attracted to the same things and thus you'll see us all really like a few bands (The Starting Line, Blink, and The Wonder Years are probably a few of the top of my head).

[Star Slight]

What, you don't remember what you posted?
No, I posted that Every Time I Die should not be compared to bands like Attack Attack.
You said Attack Attack sucks, which is what I was implying in my post.

[twokidtech]

Uhh...yeah?
Its not easy to get as big as Alesana is. You can not get to the top tiers of anything without being good. Thought that was almost common sense. Alesana is good at what they do; people love it, people hate it.

Also I ignored the rest of your post because I thought I answered that before.
I was complaining because I felt the review was unfair, they are way better then your average musician/band in every aspect listed on the review. They should at minimum have gotten a 50%.
He can sing, the guitarists are duds and can all play very well, the rythems are not all the same or straightforward/predictable. Each song sounds different too.
Sure they can, but it's all a matter of opinion. There are people who love Jonas Brothers and nevershoutnever, and people who hate them. In my opinion they both suck, but like I said it's just my opinion.

[Dystroxia]

I wasn't implying you were man. That statement was in response to the other guy, not a question to you. I said on ap.net. Meaning do users on absolutepunk.net listen to bands just because they're popular? Not "do people as a whole listen to music because its popular?". My answer was, I don't think so. A lot of us are attracted to the same things and thus you'll see us all really like a few bands (The Starting Line, Blink, and The Wonder Years are probably a few of the top of my head).
I know that, I was just answering that question as to my school.

I misinterpreted the question, my bad

[Dystroxia]

No, I posted that Every Time I Die should not be compared to bands like Attack Attack.
You said Attack Attack sucks, which is what I was implying in my post.
Oh ok

[Star Slight]

Uhh...yeah?
Its not easy to get as big as Alesana is. You can not get to the top tiers of anything without being good. Thought that was almost common sense. Alesana is good at what they do; people love it, people hate it.

Also I ignored the rest of your post because I thought I answered that before.
I was complaining because I felt the review was unfair, they are way better then your average musician/band in every aspect listed on the review. They should at minimum have gotten a 50%.
He can sing, the guitarists are duds and can all play very well, the rythems are not all the same or straightforward/predictable. Each song sounds different too.
You can easily make it big without being talented. All you need to do is coattail a popular trend. See Brokencyde or Blood on the Dancefloor or Jeffree Star. They're all immensely popular yet they possess no real talent.

And you also keep saying that they're better than the average band (which reminds me of Yogi Bear), but thats all your opinion. Who would be the average band?
To the reviewer, it didn't sound like anything new or groundbreaking, or even good. He cites specific examples of why he doesn't like the band, including their godawful lyrics.

[Keagan Ilvonen]

Will do sir.
Alesana > ;
Attack Attack! (More musically talented by miles, and can actually sing)
Asking Alexandria (musically talented)
Bring Me the Horizon (^)
Agree, old Emarosa > Alesana but..
Johnny Craig Emarosa < Alesana (although Craig has an awesome voice, its so monotonous and musically dull IMO)
This one will piss people off, Every Time I Die (this one is personal opinion, ETID not my can of worms)
FFTL
PTV (Like his voice better than Vic)
Sienna Skies
A Skylit Drive (Same as Emarosa, except with a couple actually good songs)
Get the fuck out.

[In2deep]

The only reason i clicked this link is because of the score you gave it. Dry.

[Dystroxia]

You can easily make it big without being talented. All you need to do is coattail a popular trend. See Brokencyde or Blood on the Dancefloor or Jeffree Star. They're all immensely popular yet they possess no real talent.

And you also keep saying that they're better than the average band (which reminds me of Yogi Bear), but thats all your opinion. Who would be the average band?
To the reviewer, it didn't sound like anything new or groundbreaking, or even good. He cites specific examples of why he doesn't like the band, including their godawful lyrics.
Who would be the average band?

The band that's generic in every way.

[Star Slight]

Who would be the average band?

The band that's generic in every way.
...for instance

[Dystroxia]

...for instance
Idk, bands that are generic.

I had no idea I would have to name examples, I think you can come up with some on your own.

[savestheday3x3]

This is simply just a review to bash it... definitely not a 25%
Go fuck yourself.

[Star Slight]

Idk, bands that are generic.

I had no idea I would have to name examples, I think you can come up with some on your own.
I wasn't asking you in the first place, and I wasn't even asking to be a dickhead. I wanted to know who he thought an average band was.

And you obviously have no idea either.

[Dystroxia]

I wasn't asking you in the first place, and I wasn't even asking to be a dickhead. I wanted to know who he thought an average band was.

And you obviously have no idea either.
I know you didn't ask to have a dickhead answer, but come on...average = generic

Average bands are bands that don't do anything different, just like generic ones.

Oh, and http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/average first definition.

I'm not being sarcastic or rude in any way about that^^^, but that definition of average applies to bands, too.

[Star Slight]

I know you didn't ask to have a dickhead answer, but come on...average = generic

Average bands are bands that don't do anything different, just like generic ones.

Oh, and http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/average first definition.

I'm not being sarcastic or rude in any way about that^^^, but that definition of average applies to bands, too.
I'm completely aware as to what the definition of generic is. As well as average. Each person would have their definition of what an average band is, just like they'd have their opinion on the greatest band or the worst band.

For example, I would say that HUM is completely average. One of my friends loves them, but I can't see it. He wouldn't call them an average band.

[Dystroxia]

I'm completely aware as to what the definition of generic is. As well as average. Each person would have their definition of what an average band is, just like they'd have their opinion on the greatest band or the worst band.

For example, I would say that HUM is completely average. One of my friends loves them, but I can't see it. He wouldn't call them an average band.
Yeah, one of your friends.

As a nation, if we all labeled a band as average, then it's average in everyone's eyes, regardless if one person disagrees.

If you label a band as average in your own eyes, then in your eyes it's average.

And yeah, it's pretty much a majority rule thing.

[Star Slight]

Yeah, one of your friends.

As a nation, if we all labeled a band as average, then it's average in everyone's eyes, regardless if one person disagrees.

If you label a band as average in your own eyes, then in your eyes it's average.

And yeah, it's pretty much a majority rule thing, sort of.
I really don't know what you're talking about.
I was asking that kid what he thought an average band was. You answer like a smartass without knowing what you're talking about. I explain to you what I meant, you answer again, even citing a dictionary to try to make me look like a retard. I explain a third time, and...I don't even know what you're trying to get at.

I wasn't referring to who the nation thinks is an average band...that wasn't even brought into the conversation.
And honestly, when has the nation ever banded together to vote on something as "average"...that's just a dumb statement.

To put it simply, You're out of your element

http://13.media.tumblr.com/I9zf1ugA0kgjiiakBPgZYzI4o1_500.jpg

[hitormiss92]

As a Bucs fan, I loved the Jake Delhomme comment

[Dystroxia]

I really don't know what you're talking about.
I was asking that kid what he thought an average band was. You answer like a smartass without knowing what you're talking about. I explain to you what I meant, you answer again, even citing a dictionary to try to make me look like a retard. I explain a third time, and...I don't even know what you're trying to get at.

I wasn't referring to who the nation thinks is an average band...that wasn't even brought into the conversation.
And honestly, when has the nation ever banded together to vote on something as "average"...that's just a dumb statement.

To put it simply, You're out of your element

http://13.media.tumblr.com/I9zf1ugA0kgjiiakBPgZYzI4o1_500.jpg
Defining music is like stereotyping.

Yeah, music has it too...just like Alesana.

But whatever, this argument is simply beyond pointless. Adios

[Star Slight]

Defining music is like stereotyping.

Yeah, music has it too...just like Alesana.

But whatever, this argument is simply beyond pointless. Adios
What's called a stereotype?
Alesana is a stereotype?
What the fuck are you talking about?

[Meaning/Nothing]

Wrong on every account.
Unlike other new releases by scenecore bands, The Emptiness is an improvement. It's an incredible album at the least.

[Dystroxia]

What's called a stereotype?
Alesana is a stereotype?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Don't quote me, this conversation is over

[Argentine]

Don't quote me, this conversation is over
LOL

[punkDbass]

So you're say criticism shouldn't be in a review. If he thinks the record is of little worth then so be it. Nothing pointless about it.
i just expected more from a staff reviewer in terms of "criticism" i just dont think the review could have been any more biased.. but thats just MY OPINION.

[Star Slight]

Don't quote me, this conversation is over
That reminded me of Fight Club. So I searched "this conversation is over" on youtube to watch the clip. AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE THE NAME OF AN ALESANA SONG!!!!

[FBRDC]

Terrible album.

[UnderMyDreams]

I think people need to calm down on here... If you don't like the review, do your own review and give it a higher score. Not everybody's going to like the album. I liked it, and I though it was a huge improvement over their last ones. However, I definitely see where Drew's coming from and why so many people hate the album/band. I probably wouldn't like it so much if I hadn't seen them live.

[JuneJuly]

ouch.

[Drow Swordsman]

That reminded me of Fight Club. So I searched "this conversation is over" on youtube to watch the clip. AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE THE NAME OF AN ALESANA SONG!!!!
LMFAO.

[LifeIsMyJoke]

While it sounds well constructed, and I agree about Dennis' screaming not really adding anything to the band, I feel that your review was ridiculous...

It wasn't an amazing album, but that doesn't automatically make it terrible. Shawn Mike has solid clean vocals, instrumentally it is fairly consistent and perhaps doesnt live up to the 3 guitarists tag, but yes Jeremy Bryan is very good on drums.

I think your review is tainted with a dislike for the band, and a bias against this form of music. It is well written, but lacked any real logic or evidence, other than saying that the album is "bad."

I'd give this album a higher score than your reviewing skills, mr Beringer. And I wasn't a massive fan of the album ... Go figure...

[heartsdietoo]

Dad?

This really made me laugh. It's a lot funnier if you check out the dude's profile pic.

[heartsdietoo]

Dad?
This really made me laugh. If you check out this dude's profile pic you'll understand.

[Mikeyp1407]

This album is stellar. The last song alone absolutely blows away everything this band has done previous and ends the album with reassurance of complete awesomeness. I don't think I can stop smiling every time I listen to this record. There's more singing, guitar solos, the instrumentation is excellent. And there are definitely a few "aww" moments in the lyrics.

Whereas Where Myth Fades to Legend was pure energy, this one has a more balanced temperance to it. Alesana is one of those rare bands that is continually outstanding over the years, both in their live show and on record. And I really admire how they work together as a band on their records and keep control of it, even though they bring a producer in, it's Alesana's statement above all. And they made a really really good one this time around.
This.

I loved this album and think they progressed while keeping their sound. I don't think this is even close to being a bad album, but then again everyone is entitled to their opinion, which is what this review is, just your opinion.

[introduction]

“The knife slides down to the tip of my tongue./I'm finding pleasure in watching you writhe./I lean in just to lick the sweat off your face./I taste the reverence dripping down my throat. " hahahahahaha!!!!!

[satellitesong]

awesome review. real funny too. and true. they suck

[xcrimsonxshadex]

...nobody on here would know good music if it jumped them on the face and beat them with a frying pan.
this album was great,
and doesn't deserve the bullshit on here.
>:[

[Star Slight]

...nobody on here would know good music if it jumped them on the face and beat them with a frying pan.
this album was great,
and doesn't deserve the bullshit on here.
>:[
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[schenksta]

"Alesana’s The Emptiness is the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme"

They're from Baltimore. Was it produced in Carolina?

[anthonydarko]

This album is stellar. The last song alone absolutely blows away everything this band has done previous and ends the album with reassurance of complete awesomeness. I don't think I can stop smiling every time I listen to this record. There's more singing, guitar solos, the instrumentation is excellent. And there are definitely a few "aww" moments in the lyrics.

Whereas Where Myth Fades to Legend was pure energy, this one has a more balanced temperance to it. Alesana is one of those rare bands that is continually outstanding over the years, both in their live show and on record. And I really admire how they work together as a band on their records and keep control of it, even though they bring a producer in, it's Alesana's statement above all. And they made a really really good one this time around.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/S9DallasOz/shaqlaughswalk.gif

[Drew Beringer]

"Alesana’s The Emptiness is the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme"

They're from Baltimore. Was it produced in Carolina?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alesana

get yo facts straight homie

[andthetruthwill]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/S9DallasOz/shaqlaughswalk.gif
I really don't understand all these picture clips that some people do. I don't even know who these people are. Somebody posted some random old lady earlier today I think. It's like wtf, kids don't know how to use their words anymore?

[Star Slight]

I really don't understand all these picture clips that some people do. I don't even know who these people are. Somebody posted some random old lady earlier today I think. It's like wtf, kids don't know how to use their words anymore?
No, they do. Its just funnier to watch Shaq or an old lady.


The old lady was from Jersey Shore, by the way.

[JGood4]

ouch

[StartAngry&Mad]

"And while the band's roster promises a triple-guitar attack, it rarely shows up. Three guitars aren’t that special when they are mimicking each other."

I've always complained about this, such a waste...just an excuse to include another friend in the band and create the illusion there's more going on on-stage than there is

[Broclee]

You don't like it. Good.
Doesn't mean that it should get a 25%.
Good job comparing it to other bands around the genre.
Its definately better than more then half the stuff in this genre/scene.

EDIT: Not intended to be a personal insult or anything, I lurk around and read most of your reviews. It is just almost obvious when you review something you "like" and something you "hate". I did not take offense in the review, I just believe it is very unfair and subjective. Not something one should want on a site that people go to for reviews.

For starters, you are a fucking idiot. Secondly, you have no idea what the concept of a review is. If you believe that art (in any form) is completely objective and should be judged as such, then you are completely negating the idea of criticism, and therefore negating the concept of a review. In other words: Get the fuck over yourself you goddamn fanboy. If someone doesn't like a record, then they should give it a score that reflects that, seeing as how that the WHOLE POINT OF A REVIEW.

Hmm...
Looks like you have the right idea.
But fall up short on being correct.
Reviews are supposed to be unbiased and comparitive.
Not full of opinion and personal preference.

Again, you have no idea what a review is, nor do you understand the concept of subjectivity in art.

"Alesana’s The Emptiness is the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme"

They're from Baltimore. Was it produced in Carolina?

Nah mang, they from good ole Caroline.

[EchoPark]

Drew I normally don't care for your reviews too much however with this ditty you have converted me as a believer in your work. Well done pal, Couldn't have said it better.

10/10 review

0/10 album

[Wordslipaway]

Love this band... I'll have to give it a listen..

[sonicfury]

I also totally agree with this.

Oh, and I wrote a review for this album, hopefully it gets approved.

I'd be really interested to see it, hope it gets approved man, would be nice to see a real review!

[sonicfury]

The Word Alive, Broadway, Miss May I, Bury Tomorrow, We Came As Romans, Agraceful, Akissforjersey, ADTR, The Color Morale, and old Emarosa are ALL much better than this (I think the bands I listed get generally better in increasing order actually, haha). I'm honestly interested in hearing what you think the worse examples of this genre are (other than the obvious Breathe Carolina, brokencyde, and Asking Alexandria), if these guys are one of the better ones.

I guess it's down to personal opinion but I think these guys get a really hard time because of their vocal style and lyrical content which, yeah, i agree falls flat quite a lot but as far as musicianship goes I really think they do a good job. i think that some of the bands you've grouped together are a touch random, i wouldn't really put 'we came as romans', 'adtr' and 'emarosa' in the same bracket although i do agree they're all good bands. As an example however I think a lot of people dismiss adtr because of their vocals so I guess it's really just what you like a dislike. Point is there is no way that this is a 25% album even if you just look at musicianship.

[SomedayTheFire]

I'd be really interested to see it, hope it gets approved man, would be nice to see a real review!
What isn't real about this review?

[Broclee]

Point is there is no way that this is a 25% album even if you just look at musicianship.

That's not an objective fact. Stop throwing it around like it is.

[sonicfury]

That's not an objective fact. Stop throwing it around like it is.

when did i ever say it was an objective fact? calm down.

[ChrisJ]

I really like their Empiness Album and i love the story to it. It is very creative how they tell their stories. I give it a 9.1/10 :)

[ChrisJ]

I Love the new album i love how creative the story is i give it a 9.1/10

[Broclee]

when did i ever say it was an objective fact? calm down.
You keep talking about how the musicianship alone, just for being so "good," deserves more than what it got, even from someone who hated the album. You're implying that the fact that the musicianship is "good" is an objective fact. It's not.

[Jasper112]

lol!


Thats all i came here to say.

[encmetalhead]

The EP and maybe first album are their best. After that it's gone downhill

[oarg89]

Awful album

[Dystroxia]

LOL
But don't worry, it's okay for you to quote me :)

[Dystroxia]

I'd be really interested to see it, hope it gets approved man, would be nice to see a real review!
Thank you :)

I also tell a little bit about the story, but not to where it'll spoil out major info.

I actually gave it a positive review because, although Where Myth Fades to Legend was bad, The Emptiness progresses in every way. I think they're heading in the right direction

[Dystroxia]

"Alesana’s The Emptiness is the worst thing to come out of Carolina since Jake Delhomme"

They're from Baltimore. Was it produced in Carolina?
You got it mixed up.

From Carolina (North), recorded in Baltimore.

[schenksta]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alesana

get yo facts straight homie
"Although the band's members first began playing together in Baltimore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore),[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alesana#cite_note-amg-6) Maryland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland), the band officially formed in October 2004 in Raleigh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh,_North_Carolina), North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina) by Shawn Milke, Patrick Thompson, Dennis Lee, Steven Tomany and Daniel Magnuson."

Ahh this is why i thought that. My B.

[NortyCore]

Im on your side Drew. now for all you people bashing on Drew just because he gave this cd a low score, does not mean he did it for laughs and the other hilarious excuses people come up with. why would he force himself to give them a higher, undeserved rating?

i used to listen to this band and i used to like em. not anymore. if you look at them and every scenecore band out there, they do not stand out. do not tell me they do because they did a concept album. i have a soft spot for scene music, but the bands i do listen to, have something actually stands out. the only thing that stands out about this band is how they all can get up in the morning and have the exact makeup and vampire look. not many bands can do that so i give them that, hah.

somewhere i read that this was a huge step, artistic, great concept album from an array of posts that i read and all i can say is ...what? lol. not artistic. edgar allen poe was artistic, not alesana. as for the concept album, no. the lyric someone posted about the knife running down your tongue, oh man, so dark...so artsy, so meaningful lol. if you want to listen to concept albums that truly stand out, listen to the entire Coheed and Cambria discography and listen to Protest The Hero's Kezia. those are concept albums that stand out because their different.

alright, let the bashing of what i jus said ensue. and if anyone else can agree with me, thanks. you deserve a high five!

[more heart]

I actually gave their first single an honest and fair listen, but it was so unbelievably bad. The one thing I do like about this band is their clean singer. Not necessarily extremely talented, but really melodic.

[Naenia]

Oh man, not Delhomme :-( ...

[DogSizedBird]

i agree with this review 100%.
this album sucked so hard.
This. I listened to this album because I was under the impression that a musician I respect had done guest vocals on the album, only to find out after listening that he most likely didn't. This band just reaffirmed how terrible they are with this album.

[CheckeredFloors]

Vocals got rated too high

[overdrive91]

It's not THAT bad.

[sonicfury]

You keep talking about how the musicianship alone, just for being so "good," deserves more than what it got, even from someone who hated the album. You're implying that the fact that the musicianship is "good" is an objective fact. It's not.

no statement of this sort can ever be objective and therefore i didn't bother to say 'in my opinion' my main point was that it seemed that any good qualities of the album were overlooked in order to rip into the band.

[Bl00dbath18]

It's not THAT bad.
agreed
everyone hates on this band for being so emo but they have extremely high talent to me and beat out any other band in their genre right now which is post hardcore there is no such thing as emo music or screamo they are not genres of music at all

[mulcahy67]

very bad. i agree with the part about the vocals, some of the growls just kill it.

on another note, their cover of "what goes around comes around" is better than anything on this album.

[SomedayTheFire]

agreed
everyone hates on this band for being so emo but they have extremely high talent to me and beat out any other band in their genre right now which is post hardcore there is no such thing as emo music or screamo they are not genres of music at all
lol

[ihavechappedlip]

I love this review.

NICE Jake Delhomme reference.

[rawspinner]

That reminded me of Fight Club. So I searched "this conversation is over" on youtube to watch the clip. AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE THE NAME OF AN ALESANA SONG!!!!
you mean its a song by acceptance.

[Star Slight]

you mean its a song by acceptance.
wKxtvgXmP0A

I mean that

[Supernovacaine]

album is o.k. i guess, i'll admit the clean vocals sound pretty good.. a lot of references to canvasses, that's for sure.

this Annabel story probably just came out of a Goosebumps book.

[Young Machetes]

I've always hated Alesana, but the vocals improved this time. I could listen to a few songs, but it's just so... terrible. If I wanted to listen to a sceney concept album, I'd listen to Worse Than A Fairy Tale.

[justjeff215]

this album is amazing f*** wat they say. so see ya haters :wave:lol

[Jason Tate]

On par with Brokencyde.

[Mattylikesfilms]

This album is stellar. The last song alone absolutely blows away everything this band has done previous and ends the album with reassurance of complete awesomeness. I don't think I can stop smiling every time I listen to this record. There's more singing, guitar solos, the instrumentation is excellent. And there are definitely a few "aww" moments in the lyrics.

Whereas Where Myth Fades to Legend was pure energy, this one has a more balanced temperance to it. Alesana is one of those rare bands that is continually outstanding over the years, both in their live show and on record. And I really admire how they work together as a band on their records and keep control of it, even though they bring a producer in, it's Alesana's statement above all. And they made a really really good one this time around.

you always bring the LULZ

[Max_123]

I love the "fuck the haters" comments
it's always the same

[anthonydarko]

I love the "fuck the haters" comments
it's always the same
Agreed, I don't know what's funnier, the review or the avalanche of kids running here defending it as if it was the greatest record ever put to tape in the history of music. Oh to be young and naive.

[Drow Swordsman]

Actually I thought I heard their new stuff before, but guess I was listening to their old album. As shitty as the lyrics are and gimmicky as I feel this band is (just looking at their myspace page makes me embarrassed to be on it), it definitely is a step up from their old stuff, and the vocals, while I'm not a big fan of them, are definitely more than a one. I think a 40% would be harsh but fair.

[robdobi]

this shit is the fucking pits.

[FlashTaco]

I haven't heard it yet and from what I just read, I don't think I want to.

[Broclee]

no statement of this sort can ever be objective and therefore i didn't bother to say 'in my opinion' my main point was that it seemed that any good qualities of the album were overlooked in order to rip into the band.

Nah, that's not what you meant at all. If someone didn't find any good qualities, then why should they act like there were? The same line of logic is what fuels posts like these:

agreed
everyone hates on this band for being so emo but they have extremely high talent to me and beat out any other band in their genre right now which is post hardcore there is no such thing as emo music or screamo they are not genres of music at all

Oh, and as for the whole "they are not genres of music at all" thing, boohoooooo.

[Bl00dbath18]

They just released a track by track story thing on the alt press website maybe it'll change some of your hater minds the whole concept of this cd goes alot deeper than you think
if they made the story of this Inti a book it would be a bestseller

[Bl00dbath18]

I haven't heard it yet and from what I just read, I don't think I want to.

it's way better than their last 2 albums and their ep by far whoever reviewed this was way to harsh
and the concept behind the whole thing is amazing go to alternative press and check out the track by track story thing they posted there

[Bl00dbath18]

this album is amazing f*** wat they say. so see ya haters :wave:lol
lol at least someone agrees with me this is one of the best concept albums in years

[Bl00dbath18]

album is o.k. i guess, i'll admit the clean vocals sound pretty good.. a lot of references to canvasses, that's for sure.

this Annabel story probably just came out of a Goosebumps book.


Annabel lee was a poem written by the late great Edgar Allen Poe
they posted a track by track story on alt press

[Bl00dbath18]

I've always hated Alesana, but the vocals improved this time. I could listen to a few songs, but it's just so... terrible. If I wanted to listen to a sceney concept album, I'd listen to Worse Than A Fairy Tale.

alesana isn't scene at all
brin me the horizon and bands like them are
and ddg is an amazing band so don't beat on them either

[EvilZeppelin]

that bad?

[Fringe]

On par with Brokencyde.
At least give them +1 for not having incredible sexually explicit lyrics.

Ehh ... it's okay. I liked a lot of the songs of Frail Wings but these new ones aren't as good IMO

[sonicfury]

Nah, that's not what you meant at all. If someone didn't find any good qualities, then why should they act like there were? The same line of logic is what fuels posts like these:



Oh, and as for the whole "they are not genres of music at all" thing, boohoooooo.

I'd prefer if you didn't tell me what I think or what I mean. Every review of this album I have read has stated that it is better than their previous output. I too agree with that sentiment which is based on the (subjective) veiw that the musicianship is better executed. This is a very short review from Rocksound (http://www.rocksound.tv/reviews/article/alesana-the-emptiness) that expresses this point. Beyond that I really can't be bothered to argue about the merit of an album that I'm not even particularly enamoured with, I'm just bored of some reviewers and members of this site ripping into bands for no discernibly good reason.

[tormented lust]

i was really looking foward to this albums release, and was going to purchase it this sat... but after reading this, i feel kinda skeptical...

[Broclee]

I'd prefer if you didn't tell me what I think or what I mean. Every review of this album I have read has stated that it is better than their previous output. I too agree with that sentiment which is based on the (subjective) veiw that the musicianship is better executed. This is a very short review from Rocksound (http://www.rocksound.tv/reviews/article/alesana-the-emptiness) that expresses this point. Beyond that I really can't be bothered to argue about the merit of an album that I'm not even particularly enamoured with, I'm just bored of some reviewers and members of this site ripping into bands for no discernibly good reason.
You're a joke.

[rawspinner]

wKxtvgXmP0A

I mean that

I mean this

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[SomedayTheFire]

I'd prefer if you didn't tell me what I think or what I mean. Every review of this album I have read has stated that it is better than their previous output. I too agree with that sentiment which is based on the (subjective) veiw that the musicianship is better executed. This is a very short review from Rocksound (http://www.rocksound.tv/reviews/article/alesana-the-emptiness) that expresses this point. Beyond that I really can't be bothered to argue about the merit of an album that I'm not even particularly enamoured with, I'm just bored of some reviewers and members of this site ripping into bands for no discernibly good reason.
They have good reason, they don't like them. Also that is hardly a review.

[Star Slight]

I mean this

yGrAzbYr7EI
Right, but obviously if there was a song by Alesana of the same name and I was referencing that one, I meant that one.

[rawspinner]

Right, but obviously if there was a song by Alesana of the same name and I was referencing that one, I meant that one.
Ya I was just being stupid and pretentious by mentioning a "better" band. Although I do prefer Acceptance to Alesana.

[Young Machetes]

alesana isn't scene at all
brin me the horizon and bands like them are
and ddg is an amazing band so don't beat on them either
I wasn't beating on DDG? I was saying how they're better. And how is Alesana NOT a scene band? Their stuff is plastered all over hot topic, and their fans are the epitome of scenesters.

[sonicfury]

You're a joke.

No, that would be your inability to a formulate an actual response. Not that I expected one.

[Bl00dbath18]

I wasn't beating on DDG? I was saying how they're better. And how is Alesana NOT a scene band? Their stuff is plastered all over hot topic, and their fans are the epitome of scenesters.
I just don't get why everyone hates on this band I would understand hating on bmth or brokencyde or the devil wears prada or something but not this
and deathcore bands and deathmetal bands have there stuff at hot topic as well doesn't make them scene at all
emo and scene aren't kinds of music alesana would be correctly put under post hardcore with bands like asking Alexandria and missmayI and we came as Romans doesn't make them bad
I personally like deathmetal and deathcore the most out of any kind of music but I like this band a whole lot because of their amazing song structure and lyrics and using a Edgar Allan Poe poem for the base of this whole cd is pretty awesome to me
worse than a fairytale sucked besides drawing the devil and saylor lake their best is still in vogue if you like them even and their new cd is actually really good

[Bl00dbath18]

i was really looking foward to this albums release, and was going to purchase it this sat... but after reading this, i feel kinda skeptical...

lol don't this review along with all other reviews of post hardcore bands are extremely biase
this whole cd is good there isn't a song I don't like
but my favorites are
the murderer
her tomb by the sounding sea
a lunatics lament
and hymn for the shameless is the best on here I think
go to alternative press and read their track by track thing they have forthis cd telling the whole story of Annabel lee and where that came from and all

[Broclee]

No, that would be your inability to a formulate an actual response. Not that I expected one.

I formulated several "actual responses," all of which you dismissed with your shitty, "But so-and-so liked it!" logic.

[SomedayTheFire]

I just don't get why everyone hates on this band I would understand hating on bmth or brokencyde or the devil wears prada or something but not this
and deathcore bands and deathmetal bands have there stuff at hot topic as well doesn't make them scene at all
emo and scene aren't kinds of music alesana would be correctly put under post hardcore with bands like asking Alexandria and missmayI and we came as Romans doesn't make them bad
I personally like deathmetal and deathcore the most out of any kind of music but I like this band a whole lot because of their amazing song structure and lyrics and using a Edgar Allan Poe poem for the base of this whole cd is pretty awesome to me
worse than a fairytale sucked besides drawing the devil and saylor lake their best is still in vogue if you like them even and their new cd is actually really good
BMTH make the exact same music as Asking Alexandria. Also amazing song structures? Verse-chorus-verse isn't amazing. You and your hypocrisy are so funny

[andthetruthwill]

i was really looking foward to this albums release, and was going to purchase it this sat... but after reading this, i feel kinda skeptical...
Don't listen to what anyone says. Get it. At least download it. Listen to it. Think for yourself. And if you like it, like it with pride and don't let anyone knock you.

[andthetruthwill]

Shawn Milke's words from www.alternativepress.com (http://www.alternativepress.com) describing the genesis of the record:

"The Emptiness is an idea that my co-vocalist and co-creator Dennis Lee and I have had since the days of recording our first EP, Try This With Your Eyes Closed. We've spent our career thus far basing our songs and lyrics on the works of some of our favorite authors and literature of the past (i.e. stories in Greek mythology, fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm) and some chosen contemporary screenwriting (i.e. Heroes, The Princess Bride). However, even back when we first started writing together, he and I always talked about writing our own story that we could bring to life through one of our records. The Emptiness is that dream come true.

Writing a story has to begin somewhere, it has to have its roots planted in some sort of inspiration. For Dennis and myself, that inspiration rested within the stories and poems of Edgar Allen Poe. In hindsight, this was a match made in heaven. Poe was a master of weaving words that could be so horrific and yet eerily beautiful all at once, and his final resting place is in Baltimore--the birthplace of Alesana and where we relocated to write this story.

The Poe piece that stood out to us the most was actually the final composition ever published in his career--a poem by called 'Annabel Lee.' Some believe that his wife, Virginia Eliza Clemm Poe, inspired it but that has never been verified. The key point that we found interesting in 'Annabel Lee' was its theme. It explores the death of a beautiful woman and follows the thoughts of a narrator who retains his love for her even after her death. We decided that this theme would be the basis for The Emptiness. We were going to tell our own horrific love story. We showed our love, respect and thanks to Poe by naming our female lead character Annabel, and the ninth song in the story 'In Her Tomb By The Sounding Sea,' was the final line published in the famed career of Poe."

[Jason Tate]

Shawn Milke's words from www.alternativepress.com (http://www.alternativepress.com) describing the genesis of the record:
:rotfl:

[Young Machetes]

I just don't get why everyone hates on this band I would understand hating on bmth or brokencyde or the devil wears prada or something but not this
and deathcore bands and deathmetal bands have there stuff at hot topic as well doesn't make them scene at all
emo and scene aren't kinds of music alesana would be correctly put under post hardcore with bands like asking Alexandria and missmayI and we came as Romans doesn't make them bad
I personally like deathmetal and deathcore the most out of any kind of music but I like this band a whole lot because of their amazing song structure and lyrics and using a Edgar Allan Poe poem for the base of this whole cd is pretty awesome to me
worse than a fairytale sucked besides drawing the devil and saylor lake their best is still in vogue if you like them even and their new cd is actually really good
Periods are your friend. No one wants to read a wall of text.

In Vogue is about as cookie cutter of an album as you can get for the "metal" genre. It's just heavy screamo. Just because you use something from Poe, doesn't mean your lyrics are brilliant.

Alesana follows the same structure as every band in their genre. Broaden your musical horizons and maybe you'll figure this out.

[xjdizzle]

Whoever said Alesana has guitar solos is a moron lol. Jesus !

[xjdizzle]

Don't listen to what anyone says. Get it. At least download it. Listen to it. Think for yourself. And if you like it, like it with pride and don't let anyone knock you.

There's a time and point where your music tastes mature and you know what is cheesy crap and what has real passion.
I only liked a few songs fron them like back in 06 but I never found talent in this band.And Yet they have not proved anything.
They have 3 guitarists for what? They all pretty much play the same thing and this album is pretty bad and mediocre.
Your just in serious denial that you have to write 3 paragraphs to validate that it doesnt suck.. Get over the fan-boy pride seriously ..For Drew to give this such a low score it has to be that bad lol. He gave TDWP a pretty good score and it wasnt anything groundbreaking but it was well done.

[andthetruthwill]

There's a time and point where your music tastes mature and you know what is cheesy crap and what has real passion.
I only liked a few songs fron them like back in 06 but I never found talent in this band.And Yet they have not proved anything.
They have 3 guitarists for what? They all pretty much play the same thing and this album is pretty bad and mediocre.
Your just in serious denial that you have to write 3 paragraphs to validate that it doesnt suck.. Get over the fan-boy pride seriously ..For Drew to give this such a low score it has to be that bad lol. He gave TDWP a pretty good score and it wasnt anything groundbreaking but it was well done.
Alrite. I don't know you. You keep your profile private so you can hide. For one, that's cowardly. Two, I've been through so many music scenes in my life, I'm over the pretentious indie bullshit ideals that kids spout off about. I was probly like that back in the day. I've polarized over the years into this scene nearly completely and I like what like and I cherish the bands that put it forth because I can't and don't have the means to. To discourage anyone from listening to anything that is mentioned on here is frightening and why I mostly post only really positive things. Kids should not be afraid or embarrassed to turn to any music in any way. This scene keeps me alive, it gives me a focus and a lot of hope when I have no other. I will encourage that in anybody else whenever I have the chance.

[xjdizzle]

Alrite. I don't know you. You keep your profile private so you can hide. For one, that's cowardly. Two, I've been through so many music scenes in my life, I'm over the pretentious indie bullshit ideals that kids spout off about. I was probly like that back in the day. I've polarized over the years into this scene nearly completely and I like what like and I cherish the bands that put it forth because I can't and don't have the means to. To discourage anyone from listening to anything that is mentioned on here is frightening and why I mostly post only really positive things. Kids should not be afraid or embarrassed to turn to any music in any way. This scene keeps me alive, it gives me a focus and a lot of hope when I have no other. I will encourage that in anybody else whenever I have the chance.

Yea ok so indie is pretencious?? No the generic crap on Rise Records,Brokencyde along with Alesana and all this trendy gimmick is pretencious
That's why they have produced the exact same music every album thet put out, That whole scene is dead and oversaturated with useless bands who just blatantly rip each other off. I mean some sort of originality or creativity would be nice no matter what genre it is. There is no standard in who gets signed now it's pathetic. so you would encourage kids to start bands just so they can fit in with a certain music scene?
And try use fashion and all this non sense to portray music? It's fine to turn to any music as long that's what it is all about not kids trying to be someone they are not because they see these douchebags just start a band for the sake of just the attention of it.

[xjdizzle]

And for the Record it's private because i'm not here to give my life story. And if u really wana know i like just about everything before 2008 when the indie label music scene went to the shitter along with Warped Tour ,Bamboozle,Take Action,etc. .And My fav band is Thursday a non pretencious band with some originality. And i did not look at your profile as a way to criticize you,It was solely on what u said in replies to defend Alesana.

[Star Slight]

And for the Record it's private because i'm not here to give my life story. And if u really wana know i like just about everything before 2008 when the indie label music scene went to the shitter along with Warped Tour ,Bamboozle,Take Action,etc. .And My fav band is Thursday a non pretencious band with some originality. And i did not look at your profile as a way to criticize you,It was solely on what u said in replies to defend Alesana.
I'd just like to point out that you're throwing around the word "pretentious" like you know what it means.

[andthetruthwill]

Yea ok so indie is pretencious?? No the generic crap on Rise Records,Brokencyde along with Alesana and all this trendy gimmick is pretencious
That's why they have produced the exact same music every album thet put out, That whole scene is dead and oversaturated with useless bands who just blatantly rip each other off. I mean some sort of originality or creativity would be nice no matter what genre it is. There is no standard in who gets signed now it's pathetic. so you would encourage kids to start bands just so they can fit in with a certain music scene?
And try use fashion and all this non sense to portray music? It's fine to turn to any music as long that's what it is all about not kids trying to be someone they are not because they see these douchebags just start a band for the sake of just the attention of it.
I said nothing about genres and specific labels. I meant the attitude. The attitude you were presenting. This is the same argument for every music scene I've been involved with and seen come and go for nearly twenty years now. In short time, all of these bands will be gone, this scene will be gone. Something else will be here. You'll be involved in different music, maybe I will be. For me, and for a lot of other kids, we can put on an Alesana record and be assured to smile and have a sense of hope in our day, even if it's for forty minutes or so. It makes the day bearable and gets us to the next one. I would encourage kids to grab onto whatever hope they can. I'm not even touching your "originality and creativity" argument because it is redundant and stupid. Any negative minded kid who can use their words can spout off like they know the textbook definition of them. My point is you quoted me downing what this band means to me, that I expressed in virtually no regard to a "review" you read. My words just happened to be posted in the same thread. And then, you proceeded to further discourage my encouragement to get a single kid to think for their self and listen to something and form their own liking of it or not. I don't like everything. There are bands I have bashed in my life that I regret saying anything dissuading about them, Brighten being one of them. And to think that I may have pushed someone away from them, just because of what I said, is horrible and should never happen. If you don't like Alesana, that's fine. They don't need you. But don't attack other kids who are giving them a chance or just starting out, trying to map their way around this scene. Because it's a scene that may just save and improve their life in ways that can't be grasped and it doesn't need to be shot down. At all.

[Bl00dbath18]

Periods are your friend. No one wants to read a wall of text.

In Vogue is about as cookie cutter of an album as you can get for the "metal" genre. It's just heavy screamo. Just because you use something from Poe, doesn't mean your lyrics are brilliant.
Alesana follows the same structure as every band in their genre. Broaden your musical horizons and maybe you'll figure this out.

I do have a wide taste
and screamo isn't a genre if music stuff people consider screamo is most likely post hardcore
it's just my opinion that this album is extremely catchy and highly talented compared to a shit load of other bands in the post hardcore genre like AskingAlexandria I love even though there generic as fuck
I love deathmetal/core the most since there usually the most complicated and catchiest but I have some guilty pleasures such as this band

[xScrewed@Birthx]

I do have a wide taste
and screamo isn't a genre if music stuff people consider screamo is most likely post hardcore
it's just my opinion that this album is extremely catchy and highly talented compared to a shit load of other bands in the post hardcore genre like AskingAlexandria I love even though there generic as fuck
I love deathmetal/core the most since there usually the most complicated and catchiest but I have some guilty pleasures such as this band

I hope to god that english isn't your primary language.

[xjdizzle]

I said nothing about genres and specific labels. I meant the attitude. The attitude you were presenting. This is the same argument for every music scene I've been involved with and seen come and go for nearly twenty years now. In short time, all of these bands will be gone, this scene will be gone. Something else will be here. You'll be involved in different music, maybe I will be. For me, and for a lot of other kids, we can put on an Alesana record and be assured to smile and have a sense of hope in our day, even if it's for forty minutes or so. It makes the day bearable and gets us to the next one. I would encourage kids to grab onto whatever hope they can. I'm not even touching your "originality and creativity" argument because it is redundant and stupid. Any negative minded kid who can use their words can spout off like they know the textbook definition of them. My point is you quoted me downing what this band means to me, that I expressed in virtually no regard to a "review" you read. My words just happened to be posted in the same thread. And then, you proceeded to further discourage my encouragement to get a single kid to think for their self and listen to something and form their own liking of it or not. I don't like everything. There are bands I have bashed in my life that I regret saying anything dissuading about them, Brighten being one of them. And to think that I may have pushed someone away from them, just because of what I said, is horrible and should never happen. If you don't like Alesana, that's fine. They don't need you. But don't attack other kids who are giving them a chance or just starting out, trying to map their way around this scene. Because it's a scene that may just save and improve their life in ways that can't be grasped and it doesn't need to be shot down. At all.

I honestly do not think Alesana's music is life saving ..I mean moat of it just sounds like they hate their life.
I used to listen to them and it just makes your bad times worse lol. If were talking some Underoath then that would make a positive diffrence.
I'm not saying u cant listen to them but i dont think this band is amazing or anything special like these kids stuck in some cult scene make it out to be. I used to be a Hawthorne Heights fan but i realized it was just a catchy band but nothing special.

[Bl00dbath18]

I hope to god that english isn't your primary language.
yea it is my primary what you think deathcore is scene bullshit like all the other ignorant people?
screamo is NOT a genre of music neither is emo if they were they'd both be sub genres of post hardcore
lol go back and listen to shitty dashboard confessional and indie music if you dont like this band then fine alot of other people like them so it doesn't really matter if you or anyone else on this forum that's been hating on this band for absolutely no reason doesn't like them

[andthetruthwill]

seriously?
Seriously. Alesana sing about fairy tales and love and great tales and engaging in actions and things that matter and that transcend all the nonsense I know I have to deal with everyday. I adore their dynamics and they are often a bright spot in my day, no matter anything I'm going through.

[Broclee]

I do have a wide taste
and screamo isn't a genre if music stuff people consider screamo is most likely post hardcore
it's just my opinion that this album is extremely catchy and highly talented compared to a shit load of other bands in the post hardcore genre like AskingAlexandria I love even though there generic as fuck
I love deathmetal/core the most since there usually the most complicated and catchiest but I have some guilty pleasures such as this band

Screamo is a genre of music. This is not post-hardcore.

ln2genre

[Bl00dbath18]

Screamo is a genre of music. This is not post-hardcore.

ln2genre


Haha yes it is
so is asking Alexandria
missmayI
the devil wears prada are all post hardcore
emo music and "screamo" were made up by scene assholes therefore it doesn't exist to me since I hate sceenie weenies hahaha

[Star Slight]

Haha yes it is
so is asking Alexandria
missmayI
the devil wears prada are all post hardcore
emo music and "screamo" were made up by scene assholes therefore it doesn't exist to me since I hate sceenie weenies hahaha
Well, I don't see any problem with his logic.

[xapplexpiex]

Will do sir.
Alesana > ;
Attack Attack! (More musically talented by miles, and can actually sing)
Asking Alexandria (musically talented)
Bring Me the Horizon (^)
Agree, old Emarosa > Alesana but..
Johnny Craig Emarosa < Alesana (although Craig has an awesome voice, its so monotonous and musically dull IMO)
This one will piss people off, Every Time I Die (this one is personal opinion, ETID not my can of worms)
FFTL
PTV (Like his voice better than Vic)
Sienna Skies
A Skylit Drive (Same as Emarosa, except with a couple actually good songs)
You're hilarious.

[Broclee]

Haha yes it is
so is asking Alexandria
missmayI
the devil wears prada are all post hardcore
emo music and "screamo" were made up by scene assholes therefore it doesn't exist to me since I hate sceenie weenies hahaha

Oh my god you know absolutely nothing about music.

[Bl00dbath18]

Oh my god you know absolutely nothing about music.

yes I do know way more than you'll ever dream of knowing
screamo is not a genre your probaly a scene asshole who thinks it is

[Bl00dbath18]

Well, I don't see any problem with his logic.

Thank god someone hassome common sense here

[Star Slight]

Thank god someone hassome common sense here
I'm sorry man, I forgot the "/sarcasm" at the end.

I always thought that made you look like a douche, but I guess I needed it.

[Young Machetes]

I do have a wide taste
and screamo isn't a genre if music stuff people consider screamo is most likely post hardcore
it's just my opinion that this album is extremely catchy and highly talented compared to a shit load of other bands in the post hardcore genre like AskingAlexandria I love even though there generic as fuck
I love deathmetal/core the most since there usually the most complicated and catchiest but I have some guilty pleasures such as this band
Asking Alexandria, Drop Dead, Gorgeous, and Alesana are in the same genre. You really know nothing.

[SomedayTheFire]

Haha yes it is
so is asking Alexandria
missmayI
the devil wears prada are all post hardcore
emo music and "screamo" were made up by scene assholes therefore it doesn't exist to me since I hate sceenie weenies hahaha
Omg lol good joke.