John Stockton

[AshesAshes]

Had 28 assist in one game against san antonio in 91 amazing <3
* Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
* NBA's all-time leader in assists (15,806) and in steals (3,265)
* Two-time All-NBA First Team selection (1993-94 and 1994-95), six-time All-NBA Second Team selection (1987-90, 1991-92, 1992-93, and 1995-96), and three-time All-NBA Third Team selection (1990-91, 1996-97, 1998-99).
* Five-time NBA All-Defensive Second Team selection (1988-89, 1990-92, 1994-95, 1996-97).
* Ten-time NBA All-Star selection who played in nine consecutive games from 1989 to 1997, averaging 7.8 ppg, 8.2 apg and 1.67 spg
* Named co-MVP with teammate Karl Malone of the 1993 All-Star Game in Salt Lake City, dishing out 15 assists, with nine points and six rebounds
* Holds the league record for most seasons with the same franchise (19; 1984-85 through 2002-03)
* Finished the 2002-03 season with 19,711 points
* Ranks second on the NBA's all-time list in games played (1,504)
* Broke John Havlicek's record of 1,270 games played with one franchise when he suited up for the Jazz vs. Detroit on 11/26/00.
* Played in every game in 17 of his 19 seasons.
* Missed only four games in his first 13 NBA seasons, all in 1989-90, before missing the first 18 games of the 1997-98 season while recovering from off-season left knee arthroscopic surgery.
* Played in 609 consecutive games from 2/13/90 through 4/20/97, the eighth-longest streak in NBA history.
* Holds record for most seasons leading league in assists (nine, 1987-88 through 1995-96), most assists in a single season (1,164 in 1990-91), and highest single-season assists-per-game average (14.5 in 1989-90).
* Accounted for seven of the nine seasons of 1,000 or more assists in league history (Kevin Porter and Isiah Thomas) and posted the top four single-season assist totals.
* Served up the 15,000th assist of his career at Houston on 3/10/02.
* Became the all-time NBA steals leader in a 112-98 victory over the Boston Celtics on 2/20/96, breaking Maurice Cheeks' record of 2,310.
* Led the NBA in steals in 1988-89 (3.21 spg) and 1991-92 (2.98 spg)
* Finished 2002-03 with a career field-goal percentage of .515, the fourth-best percentage by a guard in NBA history behind Lewis Lloyd (.524), Maurice Cheeks (.523) and Magic Johnson (.520).
* Participated in the NBA Playoffs in all 19 of his seasons.
* Appeared in the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals against the Chicago Bulls, averaging 12.3 ppg, 8.8 apg, and 2.0 spg, while shooting .495 (55-111) in 12 contests.
* Hit the game-winning three-pointer at the buzzer in a 103-100 victory over the Houston Rockets in Game Six of the 1997 Western Conference Finals to propel the Jazz to their first trip to the NBA Finals.
* Matched the NBA Playoffs single-game record with 24 assists against the L.A. Lakers in Game Five of the 1988 Western Conference Semifinals
* A member of the men's basketball "Dream Team" that won the gold medal at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona and the 1996 Dream Team that won gold in Atlanta.
* During career, named NBA Player of the Week six times and Player of the Month once (February, 1988).

[mikeford]

dirtiest player ever.. love it.

[Split2nd]

He was leagues ahead of Nash, but he was never MVP. Nash winning that award was a joke.

[weezer182]

He was leagues ahead of Nash, but he was never MVP. Nash winning that award was a joke.You truly are very bias or don't know much about basketball if you think Nash didn't deserve his mvps

[Split2nd]

You truly are very bias or don't know much about basketball if you think Nash didn't deserve his mvps
Why? I'm not even saying Kobe should have won it. In my opinion, Dirk was the deserving MVP. A point guard put into a situation in which the style of play is perfectly suited to his game shouldn't have won the MVP simply because of his assist totals and having his teammates play better. He's a good point guard, but like I've said before, put Jason Kidd or Chris Paul on that team and they'd still win the division. Give D'Antoni coach of the year honors for having that system and the perfect player for it. Dirk was the true MVP.

I don't want to argue about this, this topic is months old and has been beaten to death.

[trustmeimokay]

Let's get back to Stockton.

Best pg ever? I think so.

[xearlynovemberx]

Let's get back to Stockton.

Best pg ever? I think so.

one of the best for sure

[Split2nd]

Let's get back to Stockton.

Best pg ever? I think so.

Magic?

[mikeford]

Let's get back to Stockton.

Best pg ever? I think so.

bob cousy.

game over.

[bigmike]

Let's get back to Stockton.

Best pg ever? I think so.
no.

look below you for two perfectly good answers as to who is ahead of him. much like how Karl Malone isn't even the best PF ever, in my opinion.

[dekdog11]

i love stockton...sucks he never won the title

[Scott Weber]

He was leagues ahead of Nash, but he was never MVP. Nash winning that award was a joke.
Stockton played at the same time as Bird, Jordan, and Magic. MVP Awards roughly around Stockton's career:

2001 NBA Allen Iverson - V
31.1/3.8/4.6
2000 NBA Shaquille O'Neal - V
29.7/13.6/3.8
1999 NBA Karl Malone - V
23.8/9.4/4.1
1998 NBA Michael Jordan - V
28.7/5.8/3.5
1997 NBA Karl Malone - V
27.4/9.9/4.5
1996 NBA Michael Jordan - V
30.4/6.6/4.3
1995 NBA David Robinson - V
27.6/10.8/2.9
1994 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon - V
27.3/11.9/3.6
1993 NBA Charles Barkley - V
25.6/12.2/5.1
1992 NBA Michael Jordan - V
30.1/6.4/6.1
1991 NBA Michael Jordan - V
31.5/6.0/5.5
1990 NBA Magic Johnson - V
22.3/6.6/11.5
1989 NBA Magic Johnson - V
22.5/7.9/12.8
1988 NBA Michael Jordan - V
35.0/5.5/5.9
1987 NBA Magic Johnson - V
23.9/6.3/12.2
1986 NBA Larry Bird - V
25.8/9.8/6.8
1985 NBA Larry Bird - V
28.7/10.5/6.6
1984 NBA Larry Bird - V
24.2/10.1/6.6


Shut up. Stockton was amazing, but there were true stars in the NBA then that were more deserving of that award.

[Split2nd]

Stockton played at the same time as Bird, Jordan, and Magic. MVP Awards roughly around Stockton's career:

2001 NBA Allen Iverson - V
31.1/3.8/4.6
2000 NBA Shaquille O'Neal - V
29.7/13.6/3.8
1999 NBA Karl Malone - V
23.8/9.4/4.1
1998 NBA Michael Jordan - V
28.7/5.8/3.5
1997 NBA Karl Malone - V
27.4/9.9/4.5
1996 NBA Michael Jordan - V
30.4/6.6/4.3
1995 NBA David Robinson - V
27.6/10.8/2.9
1994 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon - V
27.3/11.9/3.6
1993 NBA Charles Barkley - V
25.6/12.2/5.1
1992 NBA Michael Jordan - V
30.1/6.4/6.1
1991 NBA Michael Jordan - V
31.5/6.0/5.5
1990 NBA Magic Johnson - V
22.3/6.6/11.5
1989 NBA Magic Johnson - V
22.5/7.9/12.8
1988 NBA Michael Jordan - V
35.0/5.5/5.9
1987 NBA Magic Johnson - V
23.9/6.3/12.2
1986 NBA Larry Bird - V
25.8/9.8/6.8
1985 NBA Larry Bird - V
28.7/10.5/6.6
1984 NBA Larry Bird - V
24.2/10.1/6.6


Shut up. Stockton was amazing, but there were true stars in the NBA then that were more deserving of that award.
2006 NBA Dirk Nowitzki
26.6/9.0/2.8

2006 NBA Kobe Bryant
35.4/5.3/4.5

2006 NBA LeBron James
31.4/7.0/6.6

2006 NBA Elton Brand
24.7/10.0/2.6

2006 NBA Dwyane Wade
27.2/5.7/6.7

Shut up. Nash was amazing, but there are true stars in the NBA now that were more deserving of that award.

[Scott Weber]

2006 NBA Dirk Nowitzki
26.6/9.0/2.8

2006 NBA Kobe Bryant
35.4/5.3/4.5

2006 NBA LeBron James
31.4/7.0/6.6

2006 NBA Elton Brand
24.7/10.0/2.6

2006 NBA Dwyane Wade
27.2/5.7/6.7

Shut up. Nash was amazing, but there are true stars in the NBA now that were more deserving of that award.
Nowitski, Bryant, James, Brand, and Wade are NOT Magic, Jordan, and Bird. Give me a break. When Stockton had MVP caliber years, he was nowhere close to beating out the players he was up against.

[Broken Parachute]

Stockton is easily one of the best PG's ever.

I still can't believe he had 28 in a game and didn't get the record. Screw Scott Skiles (alliterations rock).

[wessa]

Nowitski, Bryant, James, Brand, and Wade are NOT Magic, Jordan, and Bird. Give me a break. When Stockton had MVP caliber years, he was nowhere close to beating out the players he was up against.

the reason why stockton could never be considered an mvp was that he was a true point guard. He was never really asked to score cause they had malone. If I had to take a point guard for my team i would take stockton

[Split2nd]

Nowitski, Bryant, James, Brand, and Wade are NOT Magic, Jordan, and Bird. Give me a break. When Stockton had MVP caliber years, he was nowhere close to beating out the players he was up against.
Look at their numbers. LeBron's numbers are in a sense similar to Magic's, with him scoring more but having less assists, Kobe's are very similar to Jordan's, and Dirk's are very similar to Bird's. Especially in today's game with the zone defense and much better overall talent in the league, especially athletically/defensively. My point was this year those players were ahead of Nash in production, just as much as Bird, Magic, Jordan, etc. were ahead of Stockton, yet Nash still won the MVP twice, and Stockton didn't.

They may not have the great career numbers, accomplishments, and allure of Bird, Magic, and Jordan, but you can not downplay their amazing seasons because of a lack of history.

For example:

In 90-91 Stockton put up 17.2/2.9/14.2
MVP Michael Jordan put up 31.5/6.0/5.5 as you posted

In 2005-2006 Nash put up 18.9/4.2/10.5
Kobe Bryant 35.4/5.3/4.5
LeBron James 31.4/7.0/6.6
Dwyane Wade 27.2/5.7/6.7

And again I emphasize the much improved defense around the league, and the addition of the zone defense.

[wessa]

Look at their numbers. LeBron's numbers are in a sense similar to Magic's, with him scoring more but having less assists, Kobe's are very similar to Jordan's, and Dirk's are very similar to Bird's. Especially in today's game with the zone defense and much better overall talent in the league, especially athletically/defensively. My point was this year those players were ahead of Nash in production, just as much as Bird, Magic, Jordan, etc. were ahead of Stockton, yet Nash still won the MVP twice, and Stockton didn't.

They may not have the great career numbers, accomplishments, and allure of Bird, Magic, and Jordan, but you can not downplay their amazing seasons because of a lack of history.

For example:

In 90-91 Stockton put up 17.2/2.9/14.2
MVP Michael Jordan put up 31.5/6.0/5.5 as you posted

In 2005-2006 Nash put up 18.9/4.2/10.5
Kobe Bryant 35.4/5.3/4.5
LeBron James 31.4/7.0/6.6
Dwyane Wade 27.2/5.7/6.7

And again I emphasize the much improved defense around the league, and the addition of the zone defense.


You can't compare the players, they are from a different era. Think about this- Jordan had a .531 fg% that year, last year kobe shot .450. That is a huge difference. Kobe took like 300 more shots than jordan did that year. Players now hoist it up and that's why scoring averages were so high last year. Don't compare these guys to jordan and bird.

[Split2nd]

You can't compare the players, they are from a different era. Think about this- Jordan had a .531 fg% that year, last year kobe shot .450. That is a huge difference. Kobe took like 300 more shots than jordan did that year. Players now hoist it up and that's why scoring averages were so high last year. Don't compare these guys to jordan and bird.
FG% is an awful stat for peremiter players. It doesn't take into account the difficulty/length of shots, especially three pointers. And like I said, defenses are much better now than they were a decade ago.

For argument's sake, LeBron shot 48% last year from the field and DWade shot 49.5%

[AshesAshes]

I <3 John Stockton arguments always follow about this man.

[Broken Parachute]

John Stockton's tube socks > any sock worn by anyone

[Broken Parachute]

Look at the tubage..

http://www.achievement.org/achievers/woo0/large/woo0-056.jpg

[xbrokendownx]

cmon dudes, the best PG ever is clearly stephon marbury

[Broken Parachute]

cmon dudes, the best PG ever is clearly stephon marbury
I agree.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Stockton played at the same time as Bird, Jordan, and Magic. MVP Awards roughly around Stockton's career:

2001 NBA Allen Iverson - V
31.1/3.8/4.6
2000 NBA Shaquille O'Neal - V
29.7/13.6/3.8
1999 NBA Karl Malone - V
23.8/9.4/4.1
1998 NBA Michael Jordan - V
28.7/5.8/3.5
1997 NBA Karl Malone - V
27.4/9.9/4.5
1996 NBA Michael Jordan - V
30.4/6.6/4.3
1995 NBA David Robinson - V
27.6/10.8/2.9
1994 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon - V
27.3/11.9/3.6
1993 NBA Charles Barkley - V
25.6/12.2/5.1
1992 NBA Michael Jordan - V
30.1/6.4/6.1
1991 NBA Michael Jordan - V
31.5/6.0/5.5
1990 NBA Magic Johnson - V
22.3/6.6/11.5
1989 NBA Magic Johnson - V
22.5/7.9/12.8
1988 NBA Michael Jordan - V
35.0/5.5/5.9
1987 NBA Magic Johnson - V
23.9/6.3/12.2
1986 NBA Larry Bird - V
25.8/9.8/6.8
1985 NBA Larry Bird - V
28.7/10.5/6.6
1984 NBA Larry Bird - V
24.2/10.1/6.6


Shut up. Stockton was amazing, but there were true stars in the NBA then that were more deserving of that award.

i agree here whole-heartedly. i think scott and i have beaten this horse to death. theres no way stockton wins an mvp during that era. had he came out 10 years later...then he may've had a couple.

[AshesAshes]

* Named co-MVP with teammate Karl Malone of the 1993 All-Star Game in Salt Lake City, dishing out 15 assists, with nine points and six rebounds

I'll take that

[preppyak]

And like I said, defenses are much better now than they were a decade ago.
Do you watch the games? The defense is atrocious...it is not better than a decade ago from what I'm seeing.

Nowitski, Bryant, James, Brand, and Wade are NOT Magic, Jordan, and Bird. Give me a break. When Stockton had MVP caliber years, he was nowhere close to beating out the players he was up against.
Bingo...Stockton was never even in the argument for MVP, as great as he was. Nash was clearly one of the top 5 players in the year he won it.