attack on israel

[boysdontcry17]

did anyone hear about the attack on israel? they were attacked by missiles from terrorists stationed on a nearby country. im not sure about the specific, can anyone link me?

[cantnokdahustle]

I really hope this (your post) is a fucking joke!

[boysdontcry17]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/photogalleries/flash/mideast_713.html?gallery=mideast_71 3
apparently hezbollah and israely tension is rising

[Juliana101]

Didn't Israel move in on the Gaza Strip?

[boysdontcry17]

yea, they moved in with tanks and shit. they are attacking the lebanon now because they are letting the hezbollah station there. crazy shit.

[boysdontcry17]

I really hope this (your post) is a fucking joke!

just how the fuck is this joke?

[Lueda Alia]

Syria now has warned Israel - if they get attacked, they will attack Israel back, and Iran is backing Syria 100%. Surprised? Not really.

It's so scary.

[selftitled85]

Israel is going about this all wrong.

and he asked if it was a joke because this has been going on for a couple weeks now.

israel attacked lebanon earlier in the week and invaded the gaza strip prior to that.

[mps]

The states will back Israel if this escallates to Iran becoming involved - their perfect excuse for finally getting to bomb Iran. Plus the states and Israel have been allies for a long time.

[boysdontcry17]

yea, the way i see it, iran will sponsor terrorists and syria while the states sponsors israel.
there's gonna be a huge shit storm in the middle east. somethin bigger than whats goin on rightnow

[mps]

yea, the way i see it, iran will sponsor terrorists and syria while the states sponsors israel.
there's gonna be a huge shit storm in the middle east. somethin bigger than whats goin on rightnow

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah says the battle against Israel is "just at the beginning"

[Mitch]

I'm only scared of the end of the world, because everyone seems to think it's coming starting with this.

[mps]

I'm only scared of the end of the world, because everyone seems to think it's coming starting with this.

And the North Korea crisis that's going on right now. I'd say that is potential more dangerous, since the middle east conflict will hopefully remain confined to the middle east.

[Mitch]

And the North Korea crisis that's going on right now. I'd say that is potential more dangerous, since the middle east conflict will hopefully remain confined to the middle east.

Ugh...I hate this shit because everything that happens is completely out of our (the people) control. I've honestly lost A LOT of motivation to look into colleges and stuff because I have it in my head that we have very little time left to live so it's not even worth doing anything.

[mps]

Ugh...I hate this shit because everything that happens is completely out of our (the people) control. I've honestly lost A LOT of motivation to look into colleges and stuff because I have it in my head that we have very little time left to live so it's not even worth doing anything.

Well if there is a world wide nuclear war at least I'll be safe while I'm still here.

[ArTkY_]

So another one of US's buddies in the Mid East has been demolished. Wonderful.

Thanks Isreal, I really love what you've done with Lebanon.

[cantnokdahustle]

just how the fuck is this joke?

well... for one thing, this conflict started on Wednesday, where the hell have you been?

Also, the thread directly below this one titled "Thoughts on the developing situation in Israel" has been chronicling the situation, although very tenuously.

next, I love it how your thread is titled "attack on Israel" as if Israel is getting the shit kicked out of it, rather than Israel kicking the shit out of Lebanon w/out regard for civilian casualties. Both sides are doing this (sans regard for life), but holy shit Israel is on a fucking bender.

[mps]

well... for one thing, this conflict started on Wednesday, where the hell have you been?

Also, the thread directly below this one titled "Thoughts on the developing situation in Israel" has been chronicling the situation, although very tenuously.

next, I love it how your thread is titled "attack on Israel" as if Israel is getting the shit kicked out of it, rather than Israel kicking the shit out of Lebanon w/out regard for civilian casualties. Both sides are doing this (sans regard for life), but holy shit Israel is on a fucking bender.
I admire your usage of french.

[cal1082]

So another one of US's buddies in the Mid East has been demolished. Wonderful.

Thanks Isreal, I really love what you've done with Lebanon.


You can actually thank Syria for what they've done to Lebanon. Israel had nothing to do with it.

[cal1082]

well... for one thing, this conflict started on Wednesday, where the hell have you been?

Also, the thread directly below this one titled "Thoughts on the developing situation in Israel" has been chronicling the situation, although very tenuously.

next, I love it how your thread is titled "attack on Israel" as if Israel is getting the shit kicked out of it, rather than Israel kicking the shit out of Lebanon w/out regard for civilian casualties. Both sides are doing this (sans regard for life), but holy shit Israel is on a fucking bender.

Where'd you get this? Did you make this up?

[cantnokdahustle]

Where'd you get this? Did you make this up?

The power of empirical observation and quantitative analysis.

the score at the moment is 152 to 23, and since this isn't golf, Israel is "winning!"

most on both sides have been civilian.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060717/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

[preppyak]

Well if there is a world wide nuclear war at least I'll be safe while I'm still here.
Yeah...that's what makes this all so bad, nuclear technology is going to make this hell

[mps]

Yeah...that's what makes this all so bad, nuclear technology is going to make this hell
But I have a nuclear bomb shelter down my street :thumbsup:

[preppyak]

But I have a nuclear bomb shelter down my street :thumbsup: yeah...there is one right across the park in the elementary school from me...

It'd just be nice to not have to be in there for years until the nuclear fall out goes away

I've watched The Fog of War too many times to feel comfortable that a nuclear war won't happen though, so this is pretty scary fucking shit

[mps]

yeah...there is one right across the park in the elementary school from me...

It'd just be nice to not have to be in there for years until the nuclear fall out goes away

True, but I don't think it'll ever get to anyone using nuclear weapons. Balistic missiles, yes possibly (as we've seen with the North Korea tests), but I doubt there will ever be a nuclear war.

[PaulsRightNut]

I called my cousin who lives there and she says its crazier than ever. She says their going to make summer camps for kids in the south, for kids who are living in the north to move down to while the attacks are going on.

[ShallowDepths]

God I wish religion didnt exist.

...har har

[preppyak]

True, but I don't think it'll ever get to anyone using nuclear weapons. Balistic missiles, yes possibly (as we've seen with the North Korea tests), but I doubt there will ever be a nuclear war.
well, the lesson from the Fog of War was "Rationality will not save us". He was talking (Robert McNamara that is) about the Cuban Missile Crisis about how they were within hours of all out nuclear war, and even though Kruschev and Kennedy didn't want that in any form, they weren't the ones that stopped it from happening, it was just luck.

This

Robert McNamara (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0573726/): In the end, it was luck. We were *this* close to nuclear war, and luck prevented it.
coupled with this

Robert McNamara (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0573726/): They'll be no learning period with nuclear weapons. Make one mistake and you're going to destroy nations.

makes me leary when the notion of nuclear weapons is mentioned


While I agree that it probably wouldn't escalate to that, there is just a generally terrible feeling coming from this whole situation

[LostSymphonies]

fuck the middle east, i'm so sick and tired of those fuckers fighting with eachother over land that isnt worth more than my backyard

[PaulsRightNut]

fuck the middle east, i'm so sick and tired of those fuckers fighting with eachother over land that isnt worth more than my backyard


wow thats pretty silly of you to say... its the holiest place on earth for many people of all faiths - how could you say that?

[cal1082]

The power of empirical observation and quantitative analysis.

the score at the moment is 152 to 23, and since this isn't golf, Israel is "winning!"

most on both sides have been civilian.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060717/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

Well obviously your empirical observation and quantitative analysis are off.

First........Israel has been giving warnings to the citizens of Lebanon to evacuate and seek shelter for the past couple of days. (as your own article states). Israel has been dropping leaflets warning civilians to stay out of areas populated by Hez.(SOUND LIKE DISREGARD?)

Second.......Hez. does not have "military bases". The are innermixed among the civilian area so you would see higher civilian casualites

Third.......simply use your head! You are talking about the 3rd or 4th largest army in the world, and they have been bombing for about 4 straight days with about 200 different attacks.

150 civilian deaths does not characterize "bombing withouth disregard" like you say. You simply are a partisan dumb ass who speaks off the mark for their own beliefs disregarding the facts.

I can understand criticism of how you think Israel might handle the situation differently and then maybe some actual thought put behind a post. But making shit up and disregarding the facts is nonsense.

[preppyak]

wow thats pretty silly of you to say... its the holiest place on earth for many people of all faiths - how could you say that?
yeah...i was wondering the same thing...in terms of value, it's impossible to even describe what it means to some people. That reason alone would make me believe that this will be the worst conflict to come about.

[PaulsRightNut]

The thing with Israel is that every country around it hates it. And if they get attacked they have to step it up.

[cantnokdahustle]

Well obviously your empirical observation and quantitative analysis are off.

First........Israel has been giving warnings to the citizens of Lebanon to evacuate and seek shelter for the past couple of days. (as your own article states). Israel has been dropping leaflets warning civilians to stay out of areas populated by Hez.(SOUND LIKE DISREGARD?)

Second.......Hez. does not have "military bases". The are innermixed among the civilian area so you would see higher civilian casualites

Third.......simply use your head! You are talking about the 3rd or 4th largest army in the world, and they have been bombing for about 4 straight days with about 200 different attacks.

150 civilian deaths does not characterize "bombing withouth disregard" like you say. You simply are a partisan dumb ass who speaks off the mark for their own beliefs disregarding the facts.

I can understand criticism of how you think Israel might handle the situation differently and then maybe some actual thought put behind a post. But making shit up and disregarding the facts is nonsense.


first off, don't use quotation marks if you are not going to quote me correctly. "[B]ombing withouth disregard" would be bombing with regard.

second, if a country bombs and kills 150 civilians in 4 days, then the country is doing so without regard for civilian populations. Israel "airmailing" leaflets is definately a great idea, because i'm sure folks are curious as to what Israeli war planes are dropping on them, as they should be taking cover, not coming out into the open reading pamphlets.

how in the hell am i making shit up?

[cantnokdahustle]

wow thats pretty silly of you to say... its the holiest place on earth for many people of all faiths - how could you say that?


Only the big three Abrahamic religions, there happen to be many other religions of the world.

[PaulsRightNut]

Only the big three Abrahamic religions, there happen to be many other religions of the world.


thats a lot of people though

[cantnokdahustle]

...many apologies, but you said "all faiths." Also, the three abrahamic faiths actually total about 52-55% of the world's population. Though this is certainly a healthy percentage, it is not exactly everyone. Buddhists and Hindus comprise about 40%.

edit: sorry Hindus and Buddhists comprise about 20%, and we lowly atheists comprise about 18%.

[cal1082]

first off, don't use quotation marks if you are not going to quote me correctly. "[B]ombing withouth disregard" would be bombing with regard.

second, if a country bombs and kills 150 civilians in 4 days, then the country is doing so without regard for civilian populations. Israel "airmailing" leaflets is definately a great idea, because i'm sure folks are curious as to what Israeli war planes are dropping on them, as they should be taking cover, not coming out into the open reading pamphlets.

how in the hell am i making shit up?

You're making shit up because you are ignoring the facts and assuming Israel is not attempting to curb the civilian casualties. And the facts do not point to your assumption.

Again.........the fact that they have made warnings to civilians, dropped phamplets, and only have roughly 150 civilian deaths after 4 days of bombings and over 200 attacks does show that they have made an effort to minumize civilian casulties.

Ignoring the evidence and facts makes you look either ignorant, bull-headed, or stupid

[PaulsRightNut]

...many apologies, but you said "all faiths." Also, the three abrahamic faiths actually total about 52-55% of the world's population. Though this is certainly a healthy percentage, it is not exactly everyone. Buddhists and Hindus comprise about 40%.

edit: sorry Hindus and Buddhists comprise about 20%, and we lowly atheists comprise about 18%.


touche

but you have to admit its a pretty damn special place historically and religiously

[cantnokdahustle]

You're making shit up because you are ignoring the facts and assuming Israel is not attempting to curb the civilian casualties. And the facts do not point to your assumption.

Again.........the fact that they have made warnings to civilians, dropped phamplets, and only have roughly 150 civilian deaths after 4 days of bombings and over 200 attacks does show that they have made an effort to minumize civilian casulties.

Ignoring the evidence and facts makes you look either ignorant, bull-headed, or stupid


And statements such as that in bold, makes conservative pricks like yourself look like the most detestable folks on the planet... Are you fucking kidding me, "roughly only 150 civilian deaths after 4 days," this is a respectable, nee' a admirable total when one is looking to minimize civilian casualties?

Here is what upsets me: We have fundamentalist assholes Hizbollah ("the party of god"), who lob hundreds of rockets, indiscriminantly at northern Israel, and they hit about 50 people in 5 days of a nonstop barage.

Now, Israel claims to care about civilian casualties, and certainly has the better strategic arsenal, yet in 5 days of "strategic bombing" they have hit 3 times as many civilians.

How is this so dificult for you to understand, should not the more "disciplined and advanced approach" lessen civilian casualties?

The facts most certainly do point to this assumption, the only thing that goes against this assumption is that Israel is purporting to give a shit about civilians. The numbers and logic on the other hand point in the direct opposite direction.

[cantnokdahustle]

touche

but you have to admit its a pretty damn special place historically and religiously


I do not dismiss that the area, geographically, holds a certainly important (without any emphasis on good or bad) place in history. One more so of violence than anything else.

[boysdontcry17]

well... for one thing, this conflict started on Wednesday, where the hell have you been?

Also, the thread directly below this one titled "Thoughts on the developing situation in Israel" has been chronicling the situation, although very tenuously.

next, I love it how your thread is titled "attack on Israel" as if Israel is getting the shit kicked out of it, rather than Israel kicking the shit out of Lebanon w/out regard for civilian casualties. Both sides are doing this (sans regard for life), but holy shit Israel is on a fucking bender.

yea, but so what? if its so redundant than dont come to this thread. and an "attack on israel" doesnt imply that israel is "getting the shit kicked out of" it simply means an attack on israel.

[boysdontcry17]

fuck the middle east, i'm so sick and tired of those fuckers fighting with eachother over land that isnt worth more than my backyard

hahhahahhahahhhhahah. god you're dumb.

[cal1082]

And statements such as that in bold, makes conservative pricks like yourself look like the most detestable folks on the planet... Are you fucking kidding me, "roughly only 150 civilian deaths after 4 days," this is a respectable, nee' a admirable total when one is looking to minimize civilian casualties?

Considering 4 days of bombing and about 200 different strikes...............yes

See, no one is arguing that it's not bad (again you assume with the prick comment). I'm arguing based on the facts. And the fact is.........if the 3rd or 4th strongest military in the country didnt care about civilian life you'd see more than 150 civilian deaths after 4 days of bombing and over 200 strikes.

Here is what upsets me: We have fundamentalist assholes Hizbollah ("the party of god"), who lob hundreds of rockets, indiscriminantly at northern Israel, and they hit about 50 people in 5 days of a nonstop barage.

Now, Israel claims to care about civilian casualties, and certainly has the better strategic arsenal, yet in 5 days of "strategic bombing" they have hit 3 times as many civilians.

How is this so dificult for you to understand, should not the more "disciplined and advanced approach" lessen civilian casualties?

And like I've said Hez. is located in the civilian population. They dont have "barracks" or bases you can bomb. They are located in civlian populations. That being the case you can be as careful as possible and still kill civilians.

I'd like to see the actual number of attacks that have resulted in civilian deaths. If one or two individual attacks are the cause of 50 or so civlian deaths you have a huge outlier in the statistics. Best case scenario you might have 8 or 10 strikes from Israel beign the result of the 150 or so civilian deaths.

Also if you know anything about the weapons being used you'd know Israel is using much more powerful stuff that can take down entire buildings. Hez. are simply firing rockets from the ground that can damage buildings but the civilians are most likely being killed by the shrap metal and ball bearings coming from the rockets. This being the case civilians would have to be relatively close to the rocket on impact.

Get my point.............?

The facts most certainly do point to this assumption, the only thing that goes against this assumption is that Israel is purporting to give a shit about civilians. The numbers and logic on the other hand point in the direct opposite direction.

I'm going with bull headed

[Juliana101]

I actually think this might lead to World War 3.

[boysdontcry17]

its a definite possibility. see, israel is the 51st state of the union they are backed by the americans so naturally the terorists groups make war with the americans. also, iran is sponsoring terrorism, they are probably sponsorin hez. rightnow, iran is not officially involved, but once they do, im assume the situation will only worsen.

dont quote me on this, just one man's opinion.

on a sidenote, since canadians are now occupying iraq, i wouldnt be surprised if they got dragged into this as well. come to think of it, they probably will, i mean, the US is in it, canada will of course follow suit. canada....lol...

[cal1082]

Also I havent mentioned it but it's quite obvious and just another reason why your assumption is wildly innacurrate.

Israel gains nothing by bombing civlians indiscriminately. The Lebanese government doesnt like the Syrian back Hez. either. Israel wants to keep on the good side if at all possible with the Lebanese government, and not giving a flip about how many civilians they bomb would not serve that cause.

So of course they would want to limit the civlian casualites. It goes without saying.

[Broken Parachute]

Why can't we all get along? Fucking shit..

[ArTkY_]

Where'd you get this? Did you make this up?
Do you get all your news from American sources?

[cal1082]

Do you get all your news from American sources?

Do you not follow history?

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/elections/syria.lebanon/
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/04/26/lebanon/

Quick rundown.........

Syria, until last year had occupied and effectively help ruin Lebanon since the 70's.

[cantnokdahustle]

Also I havent mentioned it but it's quite obvious and just another reason why your assumption is wildly innacurrate.

Israel gains nothing by bombing civlians indiscriminately. The Lebanese government doesnt like the Syrian back Hez. either. Israel wants to keep on the good side if at all possible with the Lebanese government, and not giving a flip about how many civilians they bomb would not serve that cause.

So of course they would want to limit the civlian casualites. It goes without saying.


So why is Israel now bombing the north?

..and i must say, you are correct, that, rationally, Israel gains nothing (except a few less muslims) by indiscriminantly killing, but we are not talking about rational entities in either case. We are talking about peoples on both sides who believe that they are "God's chosen people," and believe they are retaliating for past aggressions, unfortunately rationality carries zero wieght in that formula.

Again, I will state what i did in the previous thread:


Hizbollah thinks all of its enemies are going to hell (so anyone they hit with their missles). While Israel says, Fuck it, let our god deal with the casualties, if we hit civilians (about a hundred so far) god will decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Religious "logic" is fucked, and is going to take all of "us" with them*

*obviously the numbers need a bit of updating.

...While on "our side," "we" have some evangelical's who believe that this violence in the middle east is actually a necessary precursor for their horse shit "end of days."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5186140.stm

[cal1082]

So why is Israel now bombing the north?

..and i must say, you are correct, that, rationally, Israel gains nothing (except a few less muslims) by indiscriminantly killing, but we are not talking about rational entities in either case. We are talking about peoples on both sides who believe that they are "God's chosen people," and believe they are retaliating for past aggressions, unfortunately rationality carries zero wieght in that formula.

*i'd need to see something invovling the bombing of the north*

Yes that rationality does hold water when you consider your assumption has gone against 60 some odd years of history. Because using your rationality that they are bombing indiscriminatnly because they believe they are on God's side would mean that this wouldnt have been done in the prior 5 wars before Israel has had to face.

Your forumla holds not water to the past facts. It's just another assumption so you can disregard the facts and simple rational


Again, I will state what i did in the previous thread:


Hizbollah thinks all of its enemies are going to hell (so anyone they hit with their missles). While Israel says, Fuck it, let our god deal with the casualties, if we hit civilians (about a hundred so far) god will decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Religious "logic" is fucked, and is going to take all of "us" with them*

*obviously the numbers need a bit of updating.

...While on "our side," "we" have some evangelical's who believe that this violence in the middle east is actually a necessary precursor for their horse shit "end of days."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5186140.stm

Again you're all assumption and have diregarded history.

[cantnokdahustle]

*i'd need to see something invovling the bombing of the north*

Yes that rationality does hold water when you consider your assumption has gone against 60 some odd years of history. Because using your rationality that they are bombing indiscriminatnly because they believe they are on God's side would mean that this wouldnt have been done in the prior 5 wars before Israel has had to face.

Your forumla holds not water to the past facts. It's just another assumption so you can disregard the facts and simple rational




Again you're all assumption and have diregarded history.


All assumption?

You seem to be ignoring the fact that these entities are not secular. These are not wild preposterous allegations that i am citing here, they are simply the consequences of what both sides believe.

You charge that i am ignoring history and the facts, this is completely fallacious. You on the other hand are ignoring a couple thousand years of religious territorial conflict.

i posted the link

[JezisHChrist]

What's so hard to understand? Hezbollah locates themselves in civillian neighborhoods for reasons exactly like this. They go out and kill, and when they have to face the consequences for it they hide behind "their" people, which makes Israel look like the bad guys.

And I don't know how people side with groups that kill themselves, take as many civillians they can with them, and believe that they're doing something honorable.

[cal1082]

All assumption?

You seem to be ignoring the fact that these entities are not secular. These are not wild preposterous allegations that i am citing here, they are simply the consequences of what both sides believe.

You charge that i am ignoring history and the facts, this is completely fallacious. You on the other hand are ignoring a couple thousand years of religious territorial conflict.

i posted the link

What you are arguinng goes against that history!

You say Israel doesnt care about who they kill because they believe they're on God's side. If that was the case they would have taken the lands years ago when they defeated all the Arab nations during the 6-Day War. They gained some land but withdrew from others because of diplomatic pressure.

Your assumption makes sense, but it's not practical. It does not flow with history

[cal1082]

What's so hard to understand? Hezbollah locates themselves in civillian neighborhoods for reasons exactly like this. They go out and kill, and when they have to face the consequences for it they hide behind "their" people, which makes Israel look like the bad guys.

And I don't know how people side with groups that kill themselves, take as many civillians they can with them, and believe that they're doing something honorable.

for some its anti semitism and for others is evolves around the US and their support

[cantnokdahustle]

What's so hard to understand? Hezbollah locates themselves in civillian neighborhoods for reasons exactly like this. They go out and kill, and when they have to face the consequences for it they hide behind "their" people, which makes Israel look like the bad guys.

And I don't know how people side with groups that kill themselves, take as many civillians they can with them, and believe that they're doing something honorable.


I don't believe that anyone on this board has condoned or is condoning the actions of Hizbollah. If there has been, then i offer my most sincere of apologies.

[FScott]

I hope Iran does get involved and I hope Israel nukes the fuck out of them. Same with Syria. What else are the good guys going to do with nuclear weapons these days? Shoot astroids?

[Lueda Alia]

its a definite possibility. see, israel is the 51st state of the union they are backed by the americans so naturally the terorists groups make war with the americans. also, iran is sponsoring terrorism, they are probably sponsorin hez. rightnow, iran is not officially involved, but once they do, im assume the situation will only worsen.

dont quote me on this, just one man's opinion.

on a sidenote, since canadians are now occupying iraq, i wouldnt be surprised if they got dragged into this as well. come to think of it, they probably will, i mean, the US is in it, canada will of course follow suit. canada....lol...
8 Canadians were killed in Lebanon today. :(

And I'm also scared that this will lead to WWIII.

[cantnokdahustle]

What you are arguinng goes against that history!

You say Israel doesnt care about who they kill because they believe they're on God's side. If that was the case they would have taken the lands years ago when they defeated all the Arab nations during the 6-Day War. They gained some land but withdrew from others because of diplomatic pressure.

Your assumption makes sense, but it's not practical. It does not flow with history

It is not that they do not care about who it is they are killing, it is that they believe that if they have a bit of collateral damage, then "god" will take care of it, an "it all come out in the wash" sort of attitude. I have been charging, also, that on the Hizbollah side, that they are doing the same thing, though to a greater extent.

I am not charging that Israel is doing this because they believe that "god" will protect them (giving them some sort of invincibility), though some do certainly believe this.

I disagree with your evaluation that states that Israel would have just "taken the lands years ago." How so? Yes, they won, but the Arab/Muslim world (there is a slight differentiation) would not have allowed "the zionists" to do this. There are roughly 15 million jewish people around the world, compare that to 1.5 billion muslims, How would Israel have been able to keep the land?

Listen mate, this violence is ridiculous, Hizbollah (an entity that has absolutely no right to exist, according to treaty) is at fault for starting a conflict. Israel is at fault for the extreme escalation of that conflict. The government of Lebanon is at fault for being too weak to defend itself from both Hizbollah (and at fault for not completely denouncing Hizbollah), and for being unable to protect its citizens from Israeli air strikes. All I want is for folks to acknowledge that Israel's show of force has been a bit more than in the realm of excessive.

Dropping bombs from planes, onto buildings (apartments and business), is just as cowardly as blindly shooting rockets into your next door neighbor's yard.

below is the link that states that Israel is bombing Tripoli, and has now killed Lebanese soldiers:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5186140.stm

[xvszero]

I doubt this would ever lead to WW3, what major power would actually support the Arabs/terrorists here? I'm sure there are a few who wouldn't mind if they won out but if a huge war broke out it would sort of instantly be the US/Isreal and maybe England on one side and that already pretty much destroys any real support the other side could get.

I doubt even most the Arab nations would join up, some of them are still licking their wounds from last time they tried to take on Isreal.

And by the way, just because a nation strongly condemns Isreals action does NOT mean they would go into battle against them. The fact is there is very little real support for the Arab nations on one side, and the largest (and maybe last) real superpower in the world on the other.

[xvszero]

It is not that they do not care about who it is they are killing, it is that they believe that if they have a bit of collateral damage, then "god" will take care of it, an "it all come out in the wash" sort of attitude. I have been charging, also, that on the Hizbollah side, that they are doing the same thing, though to a greater extent.

Except that its NOT the same thing. Isreal is still operating under a structure to minimalize civilian casualties, they might not particularly CARE if some get caught up in things but they aren't specifically targeting them, and Hizbollah under a structure to maximize civilian casualties most definately specifically targeting them.

Sorry, no real comparison. There just isn't no matter how you twist it.

[cantnokdahustle]

Except that its NOT the same thing. Isreal is still operating under a structure to minimalize civilian casualties, they might not particularly CARE if some get caught up in things but they aren't specifically targeting them, and Hizbollah under a structure to maximize civilian casualties most definately specifically targeting them.

Sorry, no real comparison. There just isn't no matter how you twist it.

My apologies, It's late, you are correct. I did not mean to state that Hizbullah is not intentionally targeting civilians, they certainly are.

[Julia Conny]

a close friend of mine is in isreal as we speak, and she's in a city right next to haifa. she is struggling to get back to the states as soon as she can, and i am worried sick. i just want her safe.

[JezisHChrist]

a close friend of mine is in isreal as we speak, and she's in a city right next to haifa. she is struggling to get back to the states as soon as she can, and i am worried sick. i just want her safe.
My whole family lives in Israel. My aunt's family had to leave their house because a city about 10 minutes away from them (Carmiel) was bombed by Hezbollah. The day before, missiles launched by Hezbollah missed and hit the Arab village right next to them. I find that funny.

[cal1082]

It is not that they do not care about who it is they are killing, it is that they believe that if they have a bit of collateral damage, then "god" will take care of it, an "it all come out in the wash" sort of attitude. I have been charging, also, that on the Hizbollah side, that they are doing the same thing, though to a greater extent.

I am not charging that Israel is doing this because they believe that "god" will protect them (giving them some sort of invincibility), though some do certainly believe this.

I disagree with your evaluation that states that Israel would have just "taken the lands years ago." How so? Yes, they won, but the Arab/Muslim world (there is a slight differentiation) would not have allowed "the zionists" to do this. There are roughly 15 million jewish people around the world, compare that to 1.5 billion muslims, How would Israel have been able to keep the land?

Listen mate, this violence is ridiculous, Hizbollah (an entity that has absolutely no right to exist, according to treaty) is at fault for starting a conflict. Israel is at fault for the extreme escalation of that conflict. The government of Lebanon is at fault for being too weak to defend itself from both Hizbollah (and at fault for not completely denouncing Hizbollah), and for being unable to protect its citizens from Israeli air strikes. All I want is for folks to acknowledge that Israel's show of force has been a bit more than in the realm of excessive.

Dropping bombs from planes, onto buildings (apartments and business), is just as cowardly as blindly shooting rockets into your next door neighbor's yard.

below is the link that states that Israel is bombing Tripoli, and has now killed Lebanese soldiers:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5186140.stm

The two things I bolded are fair arguments and keeping religious arguments out of the argument is really the only complaint that is fair against Israel in this situation.

I believe though that the response, while excessive, is the only way Israel can deal with it.

People calling for talks, compromises, etc...... are full of hot air and dont deal with the realities.

The only way I think Israel should stop their attacks is if the soldiers are returned and Hez. is disarmed. You can't rely on any other entity to disarm Hez. (time has shown this), and that being the case Israel will continue to remain the target.

[Lueda Alia]

I doubt this would ever lead to WW3, what major power would actually support the Arabs/terrorists here? I'm sure there are a few who wouldn't mind if they won out but if a huge war broke out it would sort of instantly be the US/Isreal and maybe England on one side and that already pretty much destroys any real support the other side could get.

I doubt even most the Arab nations would join up, some of them are still licking their wounds from last time they tried to take on Isreal.

And by the way, just because a nation strongly condemns Isreals action does NOT mean they would go into battle against them. The fact is there is very little real support for the Arab nations on one side, and the largest (and maybe last) real superpower in the world on the other.
With everything else going on? If the US gets involved, it could get pretty nasty. The last time I checked, certain nations didn't want to attack Iran, and I think it was China who had links to Iran (because of their oil I believe), so I don't think they'd be too happy if Iran got attacked. Plus, there's the NK issue, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. It's such a mess.

[Juliana101]

I doubt this would ever lead to WW3, what major power would actually support the Arabs/terrorists here? I'm sure there are a few who wouldn't mind if they won out but if a huge war broke out it would sort of instantly be the US/Isreal and maybe England on one side and that already pretty much destroys any real support the other side could get.

I doubt even most the Arab nations would join up, some of them are still licking their wounds from last time they tried to take on Isreal.

And by the way, just because a nation strongly condemns Isreals action does NOT mean they would go into battle against them. The fact is there is very little real support for the Arab nations on one side, and the largest (and maybe last) real superpower in the world on the other.

I disagree. Even if the Arab nations are "licking their wounds" the vast majority of them would love to see Israel blown off the map.

Even if US/Israel/Britian fought on the "Allies" side, we would not get unanimous support. The Arabs ( I say Arabs because there is no unified military) would probably get backing from North Korea, and, not likely but certainly possible, China.

With the exception of Britain, Europe is no help to us, especially because they have so many Arabs living in their countries.

[cal1082]

the fact that not all countries are not allied against Hez. is the sad part

[mps]

Well obviously your empirical observation and quantitative analysis are off.

First........Israel has been giving warnings to the citizens of Lebanon to evacuate and seek shelter for the past couple of days. (as your own article states). Israel has been dropping leaflets warning civilians to stay out of areas populated by Hez.(SOUND LIKE DISREGARD?)

Second.......Hez. does not have "military bases". The are innermixed among the civilian area so you would see higher civilian casualites

Third.......simply use your head! You are talking about the 3rd or 4th largest army in the world, and they have been bombing for about 4 straight days with about 200 different attacks.

150 civilian deaths does not characterize "bombing withouth disregard" like you say. You simply are a partisan dumb ass who speaks off the mark for their own beliefs disregarding the facts.

I can understand criticism of how you think Israel might handle the situation differently and then maybe some actual thought put behind a post. But making shit up and disregarding the facts is nonsense.

They aren't even in the top 25 with regard to size of armed forces.

[cal1082]

They aren't even in the top 25 with regard to size of armed forces.

Not talking numbers because obviously Israel is very small. I'm talking power and strength. I should have worded it differently

[mps]

Not talking numbers because obviously Israel is very small. I'm talking power and strength. I should have worded it differently

Yes, possibly in weapons holdings, but definatly not in size, as you previously indicated.

[we are cured]

I disagree. Even if the Arab nations are "licking their wounds" the vast majority of them would love to see Israel blown off the map.

Even if US/Israel/Britian fought on the "Allies" side, we would not get unanimous support. The Arabs ( I say Arabs because there is no unified military) would probably get backing from North Korea, and, not likely but certainly possible, China.

With the exception of Britain, Europe is no help to us, especially because they have so many Arabs living in their countries.

Legitimate (players in the global market) Arab countries have a lot to lose in a war against US/Britain. Along with China, we consume their lifeline. An interesting occurrence will take place when the world becomes less and less dependent on oil. Bush's strategy of limiting middle-eastern nukes may be aimed at this moment, when a lack of funds/missles will reduce this countries to nothing.

You are correct that we would not gain unanimous support in such a war, but incorrect to assume that NK would join the fray. The Koreans have two minor pieces of leverage right now: they MIGHT have a weapon that can hit LA, and they fiercely defended their homeland 50 years ago. There's an argument out there that says NK has nothing to lose economically, and they should be willing to exploit these two leverage points and inflict damage on the US when it is weakest, i.e. fighting a three-front war. This could give NK more leverage in a world united against US strongholds. The problem with that argument is that they might have ONE weapon that can hit LA, whereas we have 20,000 and second strike capability. Once it hits LA, what are they going to do? Duck and cover.

World War III is a major stretch here because of all the economic interests at stake. The only way NK can become a player in such a situation is if these economic interests turn out to be anti-US...i.e. several countries with a significant amount of arms have a vested interest in eliminating the US from its position in global trade.

[mps]

Legitimate (players in the global market) Arab countries have a lot to lose in a war against US/Britain. Along with China, we consume their lifeline. An interesting occurrence will take place when the world becomes less and less dependent on oil. Bush's strategy of limiting middle-eastern nukes may be aimed at this moment, when a lack of funds/missles will reduce this countries to nothing.

You are correct that we would not gain unanimous support in such a war, but incorrect to assume that NK would join the fray. The Koreans have two minor pieces of leverage right now: they MIGHT have a weapon that can hit LA, and they fiercely defended their homeland 50 years ago. There's an argument out there that says NK has nothing to lose economically, and they should be willing to exploit these two leverage points and inflict damage on the US when it is weakest, i.e. fighting a three-front war. This could give NK more leverage in a world united against US strongholds. The problem with that argument is that they might have ONE weapon that can hit LA, whereas we have 20,000 and second strike capability. Once it hits LA, what are they going to do? Duck and cover.

World War III is a major stretch here because of all the economic interests at stake. The only way NK can become a player in such a situation is if these economic interests turn out to be anti-US...i.e. several countries with a significant amount of arms have a vested interest in eliminating the US from its position in global trade.

What is this 'one' weapon you are talking about that can hit LA?

[VinnyVegas]

It's a proxy war between the U.S. and Iran in my opinion.

Hez. - funded by Iran (for the most part)

Israel - funded by the U.S. (billions in aid every year)

There is definitely more to this story than we know about. Israel gains nothing from its actions, and they know that. I don't know why this is happening, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with kidnapped soldiers, and rocket attacks.

[we are cured]

What is this 'one' weapon you are talking about that can hit LA?

Their long-range missle that fails its launch tests. That's why I say one. They may have four or five but it might as well be 0 if it can't get off the ground.

[IAmNietzche]

I disagree. Even if the Arab nations are "licking their wounds" the vast majority of them would love to see Israel blown off the map.

Even if US/Israel/Britian fought on the "Allies" side, we would not get unanimous support. The Arabs ( I say Arabs because there is no unified military) would probably get backing from North Korea, and, not likely but certainly possible, China.

With the exception of Britain, Europe is no help to us, especially because they have so many Arabs living in their countries.
You obviously just pulled two "enemies" of the U.S. out of your ass and said they would join the "Arab" nations against a U.S. headed military force. Neither N.K. nor China make any sense in that context.

[boysdontcry17]

Juliana is just saying that korea and china are more likely to help the middle east than it is to help the US. but i think china may side with the US because they are good tradin partners. china sells lots of stuff to the US so they wouldnt want to lose that market. and i think if korea allied with the middle east, that would piss off china.

i know who nietzche is by the way. thus spoke zarathustra anyone? very good philopher indeed. i wish i had some of his work.

i say we blame the canadians.

[mps]

Their long-range missle that fails its launch tests. That's why I say one. They may have four or five but it might as well be 0 if it can't get off the ground.

Well from what I can gather, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that you are refering to the Taepodong-2 missile - the ballistic missle that was the only 'long-range' missile out of the 7 recently tested by North Korea. Now it did actually take of from it's launch pad, but failed mid-flight. Its range can only reach as far as Alaska, not LA. But then you may be refering to some other missile I have no clue about...

[mps]

I disagree. Even if the Arab nations are "licking their wounds" the vast majority of them would love to see Israel blown off the map.

Even if US/Israel/Britian fought on the "Allies" side, we would not get unanimous support. The Arabs ( I say Arabs because there is no unified military) would probably get backing from North Korea, and, not likely but certainly possible, China.

With the exception of Britain, Europe is no help to us, especially because they have so many Arabs living in their countries.

How are you talking about "Arabs" as if they're some kind of unified race or something?

Your last statement just proves your complete fucking ignorance, and pure lack of knowledge. How can you even assert something like that is completely beyond me...honesty..:shake:


Oh, and what the fuck has North Korea got to do with the trouble in the Middle East?

[xvszero]

I disagree. Even if the Arab nations are "licking their wounds" the vast majority of them would love to see Israel blown off the map.

Even if US/Israel/Britian fought on the "Allies" side, we would not get unanimous support. The Arabs ( I say Arabs because there is no unified military) would probably get backing from North Korea, and, not likely but certainly possible, China.

With the exception of Britain, Europe is no help to us, especially because they have so many Arabs living in their countries.

I highly doubt China would actually side against the US, our economies are interlinked for one. And they might not like us, but they know we have the much more superior airforce and navy... their only strength is on the ground. North Korea is a non-factor, they can't do jack shit in a world war but defend themselves. Furthermore in any actual "world war" situation you can bet your ass the US would get a crapload of support.

I think what many people don't understand is that most the nations who oppose the US in things like Iraq and such are against the means. The fact is most of these nations are still 100% against Arab terrorism and North Korea.

[boysdontcry17]

did call a cease fire?

[mps]

did call a cease fire?
No.

[SwallowMyWords]

It's a proxy war between the U.S. and Iran in my opinion.

Hez. - funded by Iran (for the most part)

Israel - funded by the U.S. (billions in aid every year)

There is definitely more to this story than we know about. Israel gains nothing from its actions, and they know that. I don't know why this is happening, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with kidnapped soldiers, and rocket attacks.

The reason Israel gains nothing from its actions is because of the lack of respect they receive in this world.
-What do they gain from these actions? The right to freedom of living in their state. The right of keeping their citizens/soldiers safe. The right of RETALIATING when their state has been attacked (50+ years). They dont just send off missiles and attack because their neighbors dislike them. THEY AS A DEMOCRACY, have a right. Just like the US would do when/if under attack.

It seems as if most of you guys like to go out and reach for these answers that just are farfetched.
The information, facts are all here in front of us, use them and think LOGICALLY. Theres a reason why they have one of the strongest militaries in the world. If the US didnt help aid ISRAEL with as much as they do... WHO WOULD?
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THIS HAPPENED TO YOUR COUNTRY? (meaning constant suicide bombings, kidnapping/slaying of soldiers, blah blah blah)

[mps]

The reason Israel gains nothing from its actions is because of the lack of respect they receive in this world.
-What do they gain from these actions? The right to freedom of living in their state. The right of keeping their citizens/soldiers safe. The right of RETALIATING when their state has been attacked (50+ years). They dont just send off missiles and attack because their neighbors dislike them. THEY AS A DEMOCRACY, have a right. Just like the US would do when/if under attack.

It seems as if most of you guys like to go out and reach for these answers that just are farfetched.
The information, facts are all here in front of us, use them and think LOGICALLY. Theres a reason why they have one of the strongest militaries in the world. If the US didnt help aid ISRAEL with as much as they do... WHO WOULD?
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THIS HAPPENED TO YOUR COUNTRY? (meaning constant suicide bombings, kidnapping/slaying of soldiers, blah blah blah)

They are commiting war crimes, against the Genveva Convention, by killing civilians. I don't support that. They dropped 23 tons of explosives onto a mosque, thinking it was a Hezbollah base (something which wouldn't sound out of place had it been reported the american military had been the culprits, hah). At least shoot the things you are meant to be shooting, and kill the people you are meant to be killing, without fucking overturning a country, because some terrorist regime operates inside that country. They are destroying Lebanon's economy, and disrupting an already VERY fragile government, when it has nothing to do with Lebanon. Lebanon are mere victims just because a terrorist group is currently operating inside their country.

[SwallowMyWords]

They are commiting war crimes, against the Genveva Convention, by killing civilians. I don't support that. They dropped 23 tons of explosives onto a mosque, thinking it was a Hezbollah base (something which wouldn't sound out of place had it been reported the american military had been the culprits, hah). At least shoot the things you are meant to be shooting, and kill the people you are meant to be killing, without fucking overturning a country, because some terrorist regime operates inside that country. They are destroying Lebanon's economy, and disrupting an already VERY fragile government, when it has nothing to do with Lebanon. Lebanon are mere victims just because a terrorist group is currently operating inside their country.

You are completely missing the point.

Lebanon is HOME to terrorists. Allow them to live, eat and sleep in their country. YES it sucks that civillians are being killed, but that is the Hezbollah's fault for their interaction.
if you remember in Iraq, Saddam placed cannons and missiles surrounding mosques so when US attacked their weapons, seemed as if US were killing INNOCENT CIVILIANS. THE SAME SHIT MY MAN.. SAME SHIT.

Why should ISRAEL care bout the GENEVA CONVENTION if they have never been backed by it.. In 1967 when Jordan attacked Israel, the "Geneva Code" was broken by Jordan and there was no mention nor was it recognized by the Convention.


and why has the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movemt (Geneva Related) never supported ISRAEL until JUNE 2006?

[mps]

You are completely missing the point.

Lebanon is HOME to terrorists. Allow them to live, eat and sleep in their country. YES it sucks that civillians are being killed, but that is the Hezbollah's fault for their interaction.
if you remember in Iraq, Saddam placed cannons and missiles surrounding mosques so when US attacked their weapons, seemed as if US were killing INNOCENT CIVILIANS. THE SAME SHIT MY MAN.. SAME SHIT.

Why should ISRAEL care bout the GENEVA CONVENTION if they have never been backed by it.. In 1967 when Jordan attacked Israel, the "Geneva Code" was broken by Jordan and there was no mention nor was it recognized by the Convention.


and why has the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movemt (Geneva Related) never supported ISRAEL until JUNE 2006?




Hezbollah used to occupy Israel, so Israel was home to terrorists until they were ejected, into Lebanon. Hezbollah don't give a shit about Lebanesse civilians, Lebanon are helpless.

And no, this is not 'the same shit' as in Iraq. The Iraqi government was a dictatorship run by the leader of a regime. It is obvious that you do not fully understand the Lebanon situation, as the Lebanesse government have nothing to do with this, they are just unlucky/too weak to prevent a terrorist militia from operating inside their country.

Israel ratifed the Gevena Convention on 06.07.1951, thus they are required by international law to abide by it, regardless.

So it appears that you are the one who is 'completely missing the point' my friend.

[Love As Arson]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060721&articleId=2788

[cal1082]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060721&articleId=2788

I really hope some of you get a clue one day

[Love As Arson]

I really hope some of you get a clue one day
Argue the point, not the person. If you cannot do so, then do not debate.

[cal1082]

Argue the point, not the person. If you cannot do so, then do not debate.

That's not the point. Have some common sense and look what your source is and what it says.

First it has no direct sources and no collaboration it just says............."U.S. military intelligence sources"

You need to have evidence! All you have is a picture and hear-say. Any fool could make any story up and put it on the internet.

Have some sort of ethics when researching and putting stuff out their for people to read.

Just flip the scenario...........I could just as easily say that Lebanon intelligence has come forward saying that civilian deaths are exaggerated and only 15-20 actual civlians have died.

Would you believe it automatically like you are doing now? Would you expect yourself to address something with no direct sources and just hear-say?

[ghostyouare]

Why are China and North Korea getting brought up in a discussion of the war between Hezbollah/Lebanon and Israel.

[Love As Arson]

That's not the point. Have some common sense and look what your source is and what it says.

First it has no direct sources and no collaboration it just says............."U.S. military intelligence sources"

You need to have evidence! All you have is a picture and hear-say. Any fool could make any story up and put it on the internet.

Have some sort of ethics when researching and putting stuff out their for people to read.

Just flip the scenario...........I could just as easily say that Lebanon intelligence has come forward saying that civilian deaths are exaggerated and only 15-20 actual civlians have died.

Would you believe it automatically like you are doing now? Would you expect yourself to address something with no direct sources and just hear-say?
I never posited that I believed it. I simply found it interesting.

[cal1082]

I never posited that I believed it. I simply found it interesting.

lol, you're sitting here asking me to refute it...........obviously it holds some significance to you if you expect someone to refute it?

[ghostyouare]

lol, you're sitting here asking me to refute it...........obviously it holds some significance to you if you expect someone to refute it?
Show us how he directed that towards you expecting you to refture it. Get over yourself.

[cal1082]

Show us how he directed that towards you expecting you to refture it. Get over yourself.

"Argue the point, not the person. If you cannot do so, then do not debate." :rolleyes:

[ghostyouare]

"Argue the point, not the person. If you cannot do so, then do not debate." :rolleyes:
That was posted AFTER he posted the link, champ.

[cal1082]

That was posted AFTER he posted the link, champ.

And that was what I was referring to when I made my post........kiddo

Keep up

[ghostyouare]

And that was what I was referring to when I made my post........kiddo

Keep up
Lets break this down.

First: Dom posts a link. Nothing more, nothing less.

Next: Cal says, "I really hope some of you get a clue one day"

Next: Dom says, "Argue the point, not the person. If you cannot do so, then do not debate."

Lets take a moment to examine this. Dom posted a link and you hope that he gets a clue some day. Dom lets Cal1082 know how to debate because you show you skills are lacking. Cal beings to assume that Dom believes information on previously mentioned link.

Next: Cal goes off on some trip about how Dom should "check his sources"

Next: Dom says, "I never posited that I believed it. I simply found it interesting."

Next: Cal says, "lol, you're sitting here asking me to refute it...........obviously it holds some significance to you if you expect someone to refute it?"

Cal clearly shows that he assumed Dom was DIRECTLY posting that link for him.

I hope I have clearly demonstrated how Cal1082 is completely in love with himself and needs to stop believeing the sun shines for him.

[cal1082]

Lets break this down.

First: Dom posts a link. Nothing more, nothing less.

Next: Cal says, "I really hope some of you get a clue one day"

Next: Dom says, "Argue the point, not the person. If you cannot do so, then do not debate."

Lets take a moment to examine this. Dom posted a link and you hope that he gets a clue some day. Dom lets Cal1082 know how to debate because you show you skills are lacking. Cal beings to assume that Dom believes information on previously mentioned link.

Next: Cal goes off on some trip about how Dom should "check his sources"

Next: Dom says, "I never posited that I believed it. I simply found it interesting."

Next: Cal says, "lol, you're sitting here asking me to refute it...........obviously it holds some significance to you if you expect someone to refute it?"

Cal clearly shows that he assumed Dom was DIRECTLY posting that link for him.

I hope I have clearly demonstrated how Cal1082 is completely in love with himself and needs to stop believeing the sun shines for him.

All you really had to do was bold the two posts that I did. It clearly makes sense.

I think it's more of you needing to get over me..............

I'm flattered that you try so hard to make, what amounts to, a pointless point about me. Makes you look more petty than anything else.

[ghostyouare]

All you really had to do was bold the two posts that I did. It clearly makes sense.

I think it's more of you needing to get over me..............

I'm flattered that you try so hard to make, what amounts to, a pointless point about me. Makes you look more petty than anything else.
I fail to see how he made it personal. It was a generalized statement. Do you think unaddressed letters are for you?

[cal1082]

I fail to see how he made it personal. It was a generalized statement. Do you think unaddressed letters are for you?

Who's talking about making something "personal"

You have to keep.......up.........with........t he..........conversation.

You simply tried to make a point about me (being full oneself) and I think you're trying to hard to find something about me and that's why I'm flattered.

I'd try a local JuCo in your area for a reading class. Might not clear all things up but it's bound to help.

[ghostyouare]

Who's talking about making something "personal"
"you're sitting here asking me to refute it."


You have to keep.......up.........with........t he..........conversation.

O.................................. ................................... ..........................k

You simply tried to make a point about me (being full oneself) and I think you're trying to hard to find something about me and that's why I'm flattered.
The only reason you should be
flattered is because some one such as myself, being amazing and perfect and all would make some time for you.


I'd try a local JuCo in your area for a reading class. Might not clear all things up but it's bound to help.
Argue the point, not the person. If you cannot do so, then do not debate.

[cal1082]

you're sitting here asking me to refute it.

"Argue the point, not the person. If you cannot do so, then do not debate."--------addressed to who? *hint* the sun directly shines on him!

And why is this so hard to understand?


The only reason you should be
flattered is because some one such as myself, being amazing and perfect and all would make some time for you.

There's few things better in life than having a teenager trying to pick at you. It's like I'm in my classroom with my kids. Thats the main reason I'm flattered..........your reason too of course.

Those JuCo classes are cheap to. I might even suggest Phoenix Online for you.

[ghostyouare]

"Argue the point, not the person. If you cannot do so, then do not debate."--------addressed to who? *hint* the sun directly shines on him!

And why is this so hard to understand?




There's few things better in life than having a teenager trying to pick at you. It's like I'm in my classroom with my kids. Thats the main reason I'm flattered..........your reason too of course.

Those JuCo classes are cheap to. I might even suggest Phoenix Online for you.
Good night, sunshine. This is pointless. I'm a fool because I know how closed/empty-minded you are and I still tried to take on the challenge.

[cal1082]

Good night, sunshine. This is pointless. I'm a fool because I know how closed/empty-minded you are and I still tried to take on the challenge.

I fail to see where close mindedness comes in but..............

And the day I need someone your age who I usually teach trying to challenge me I'll call you.

[still]

ugh.

what a horrible situation. i've never had more of a gut wrenching feeling about anything in my life. 3 days ago two of my good friends moved back to israel. this is the first time i'm actually caring about a war or conflict, now that it is personal.

i don't know whose side to take. israel is partly at fault for killing civilians while trying to kill the hez, but, if the hez are hiding behind/with the civilians, can you blame israel? of course i believe israel should stop with the rockets and make it a ground war, because that would lead to fewer civilian casualties. but israel just said they have no intention of a ground war.

also, anyone blaming lebanon at fault....why? the hezbollah are simply in their country. they are not funded by lebanon. to think that they are "allowing them to live there." is ridiculous. it's like rapists and murderers in the us. no, we are not allowing them or supporting them, but they happen to be here.

blahh. what a shitty situation. i just pray to god the hez. can be taken out before iran gets involved.

[JezisHChrist]

Good night, sunshine. This is pointless. I'm a fool because I know how closed/empty-minded you are and I still tried to take on the challenge.
You're making yourself look like an idiot. This guy told Cal to argue his point, then when he did, Cal got jumped on for arguing the point. Either way he loses.

[Justin_stacy]

This is a tough call, obviously Israeli is in the right to respond to terrorism, particularly state sponsored (or condoned) terrorism. But at the same time they must watch the level of their response, in a still largely anti-Semitic world (particularly socialist Europe and the UN), Israeli will never get the benefit of the doubt no matter how just their actions are, and therefore an overly strong response will be used to portray them as the aggressor or instigator, rather then the target. As the liberal press, even in America, has done.

But with that no one can understand the position the Israelis live in, so its hard to tell them how to respond, to them its a matter of life and death. So how do we tell them what is too strong a response and what is justifable?