Country is to Pop Why Taylor Swift isto Kanye West

[Sundawgrecords]

Taylor Swift is Pop as much as Kanye West is R&B. Both should stay in their own Genre. I like them both but get sick of their promoters taking over genres just so they can get more awards. Your thoughts

[UnderMyDreams]

Taylor Swift is very poppy, yes. However, she also has elements of country in her music. When she was signed she was signed toa country label, and still is. You can say that she's pop, but she's still country as well. Genres blend together so much anymore that it doesn't even matter, I don't get why people still put such a focus on them... Plus, her "promoter" isn't "taking over genres" to get more awards... Even if she was classified more into pop than country I would say she would get the same awards.

At least she's better than most of the "country" on the radio now a days anyways.

[TypeGSiR]

yes agree i really think she is very overrated

[Sundawgrecords]

Taylor Swift is very poppy, yes. However, she also has elements of country in her music. When she was signed she was signed toa country label, and still is. You can say that she's pop, but she's still country as well. Genres blend together so much anymore that it doesn't even matter, I don't get why people still put such a focus on them... Plus, her "promoter" isn't "taking over genres" to get more awards... Even if she was classified more into pop than country I would say she would get the same awards.

At least she's better than most of the "country" on the radio now a days anyways.
Agree on the better than most "country" on the radio

[cshadows2887]

This thread has a case of the dumb.

[Scrandon]

Crap man people have been crossing genres and mixing music styles forever. Quit bein such a hater.

[x togepi x]

taylor swift owes a huge portion of her grammys to white privilege.

[OdeToTheSun]

This thread has a case of the dumb.
This

[Scrandon]

taylor swift owes a huge portion of her grammys to white privilege.

Yes because 'Beyonce had one of the greatest videos of all time'

Thanks kanye. Get Real

[x togepi x]

Yes because 'Beyonce had one of the greatest videos of all time'

Thanks kanye. Get Real

her career comes from immense popularity in country which is, at best, not very friendly to minorities. her video that you're talking about was generic as shit. she easily gets to make the jump to pop based on that. it's quite smart marketing but my point still stands.

Kanye >Taylor Swift any day of the week, unless you're comparing the last albums from each.

[RX XR]

her career comes from immense popularity in country which is, at best, not very friendly to minorities. her video that you're talking about was generic as shit. she easily gets to make the jump to pop based on that. it's quite smart marketing but my point still stands.

Kanye >Taylor Swift any day of the week, unless you're comparing the last albums from each.

Kanye as a producer > Taylor Swift

Taylor Swift > Kanye as a rapper

[Scrandon]

her career comes from immense popularity in country which is, at best, not very friendly to minorities. her video that you're talking about was generic as shit. she easily gets to make the jump to pop based on that. it's quite smart marketing but my point still stands.

Kanye >Taylor Swift any day of the week, unless you're comparing the last albums from each.

Could not possibly disagree more with everything you said

and Beyonce's video was just dancing. At least Taylor's and a storyline and message

[Scrandon]

Kanye as an Asshole in Every award show ever > Taylor

[x togepi x]

Kanye as a producer > Taylor Swift

Taylor Swift > Kanye as a rapper

nah dude, College Drop Out is way better than Taylor Swift.

If she stopped recycling the cliche fairytale themes she could definitely make strides in that direction though.

Could not possibly disagree more with everything you said

Except...you can't actually respond to my claim because it's true.

and Beyonce's video was just dancing. At least Taylor's and a storyline and message

Taylor's storyline was the same fucking cliche we've seen in almost any "coming of age" teen girl movie. What message was in that video that hasn't been said a million times by other boring white girls?

[UnderMyDreams]

nah dude, College Drop Out is way better than Taylor Swift.

If she stopped recycling the cliche fairytale themes she could definitely make strides in that direction though.



Except...you can't actually respond to my claim because it's true.



Taylor's storyline was the same fucking cliche we've seen in almost any "coming of age" teen girl movie. What message was in that video that hasn't been said a million times by other boring white girls?

What was Beyonce saying that hasn't been said a million times? Taylor Swift's message is better than "You broke up with me, I'm gonna go to the club and have sex so you regret it."

Taylor Swift video w/ storyline>3 girls dancing for 3 minutes.

[x togepi x]

What was Beyonce saying that hasn't been said a million times? Taylor Swift's message is better than "You broke up with me, I'm gonna go to the club and have sex so you regret it."

Taylor Swift video w/ storyline>3 girls dancing for 3 minutes.

why is pining after a guy and being super possessive of him better than that? at best they're both cliche statements that have been made over and over.

I don't think the point of Beyonce's video was a story, it was all in the aesthetics, but that really isn't the point. whitey likes taylor swift, so she's popular. /thread.

[greenteaallday]

Kanye as a producer > Taylor Swift

Taylor Swift > Kanye as a rapper

No way, Kanye first 3 albaums are all great, Taylor Swift has one album.

[JustAGirl01]

i dont think taylor swift is that good to begin with
kanye west maybe an asshole, but id listen to him anytime over her

[Yellowcard2006]

Taylor Swift is country pop. And has a lot of young fans.

[cshadows2887]

why is pining after a guy and being super possessive of him better than that? at best they're both cliche statements that have been made over and over.

I don't think the point of Beyonce's video was a story, it was all in the aesthetics, but that really isn't the point. whitey likes taylor swift, so she's popular. /thread.

White girls (and some guys too) love Beyonce. She's as mainstream acceptable as anyone else. It's not like we're talking Lauryn Hill here.

[pblest]

Kanye as a producer > Taylor Swift

Taylor Swift > Kanye as a rapper

are you fucking joking? College Dropout and Late Registration were some of the best hip hop albums of the 2000s. Taylor Swift is what bros who want to get in touch with their softer side listen to.

[x togepi x]

White girls (and some guys too) love Beyonce. She's as mainstream acceptable as anyone else. It's not like we're talking Lauryn Hill here.

i'm not talking about "mainstream acceptability", i'm talking about being the biggest artist right now.

I like Taylor Swift but she is way way way too overhyped, and this is coming form someone who generally thinks the term overhyped/overrated is meaningless.

[cshadows2887]

i'm not talking about "mainstream acceptability", i'm talking about being the biggest artist right now.

I like Taylor Swift but she is way way way too overhyped, and this is coming form someone who generally thinks the term overhyped/overrated is meaningless.

Right but to say the reason she beat Beyonce is racial seems a bit of a stretch. Unless that was a joke.

[x togepi x]

Right but to say the reason she beat Beyonce is racial seems a bit of a stretch. Unless that was a joke.

How is it a stretch?

her ascendancy to pop culture icon of 2k9 is built on the fact that she became popular in country music first, which is almost completely racially homogeneous. this plus the racial undertones of kanye being the big bad boogeyman because of him getting drunk and stupidly calling her out.

[cshadows2887]

How is it a stretch?

her ascendancy to pop culture icon of 2k9 is built on the fact that she became popular in country music first, which is almost completely racially homogeneous. this plus the racial undertones of kanye being the big bad boogeyman because of him getting drunk and stupidly calling her out.

Wow. If you think the reason people don't like Kanye is for anything other than the fact that he's an arrogant clown who never shuts up (no matter how good his music is) you're really looking for something racial to be upset about. He could be white, black or purple and he'd be obnoxious.

And TSwift never really dominated country the way she's owned pop radio. She had some sizeable country hits, but nothing on par with how she's performed on the pop charts.

[x togepi x]

Wow. If you think the reason people don't like Kanye is for anything other than the fact that he's an arrogant clown who never shuts up (no matter how good his music is) you're really looking for something racial to be upset about. He could be white, black or purple and he'd be obnoxious.

Wow, if you think most pop musicians aren't arrogant clowns who never shut up, then you really are a racist idiot. People started talking shit on him after he said, quite lucidly i might add, that g dub doesn't care about black people.

And TSwift never really dominated country the way she's owned pop radio. She had some sizeable country hits, but nothing on par with how she's performed on the pop charts.

this doesn't change my argument. it's where she got her record deal after all.

[briewer]

I support this thread. Everyone needs to stick to their own kind. No intermingling, it's the natural way.

[cshadows2887]

Wow, if you think most pop musicians aren't arrogant clowns who never shut up, then you really are a racist idiot. People started talking shit on him after he said, quite lucidly i might add, that g dub doesn't care about black people.

He was a pain in the ass long before that. But that just brought it to national attention. Most pop musicians are arrogant but they aren't as flagrant about constantly reminding you about it as Kanye is. No other human being on the planet is as openly egotistical. Just because he's black doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be annoyed with him for something I'd be annoyed with in any other human being.

[briewer]

nah dude, College Drop Out is way better than Taylor Swift.

If she stopped recycling the cliche fairytale themes she could definitely make strides in that direction though.
Rapping?

[x togepi x]

He was a pain in the ass long before that. But that just brought it to national attention. Most pop musicians are arrogant but they aren't as flagrant about constantly reminding you about it as Kanye is. No other human being on the planet is as openly egotistical. Just because he's black doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be annoyed with him for something I'd be annoyed with in any other human being.

How is he a pain in the ass moreso than any other spoiled pop star though? he just has the balls to say things in public instead of throwing tantrums in the back.

of course, you're not really reading my posts if you think i'm telling you that because kanye is black you can't be annoyed with him. i was saying that the subtext of him flipping out at the VMAs was racist, especially since nobody cares when wu-tang did the exact same thing years ago. at the end of the day, who cares that he did that? people do stupid things, yet dumb taylor swift fans are still whining about it.

Rapping?

haha yes.

[crackedthesky]

Country is to Pop Why Taylor Swift isto Kanye West (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=61444522#post61444 522)

English is to you why cold is to the sun.

[cshadows2887]

How is he a pain in the ass moreso than any other spoiled pop star though? he just has the balls to say things in public instead of throwing tantrums in the back.

That's my problem with him. I don't care about what you think or what pisses you off if you're a pop star. I don't think that's ballsy. I think it's annoying. If Taylor Swift started motuhing off about politics and who should have won awards and whatnot I'd get damn sick of it too. Musicians and actors are not in the public eye because anyone gives a shit about their opinions.

i was saying that the subtext of him flipping out at the VMAs was racist

How?

[cshadows2887]

English is to you why cold is to the sun.


haha. Glad someone else noticed.

[Kurt Retenauer]

English is to you why cold is to the sun.

Hahaha.

This thread is stupid. The "Taylor Swift isn't country argument" gets really old. She was once much more country than she is now, and when she got a taste of the pop spotlight with her first album, she took more of a pop route on the second album. No one will disagree with the fact Taylor Swift is more pop than country, but the point being is that she is pop. To say genre's should stick to their own is stupid, because, if that were the case, pop would have died with the descent of the likes of Britney Spears, NSYNC, and Christian Aguilera. Other than that, most pop today is rock influence, rap influenced, or has some kind of ulterior influence underlying it. Even Lady Gaga says that she's heavily influenced by jazz piano.

[bladerdude360]

So much bad grammar and stupidity.

[cshadows2887]

Hahaha.

This thread is stupid. The "Taylor Swift isn't country argument" gets really old. She was once much more country than she is now, and when she got a taste of the pop spotlight with her first album, she took more of a pop route on the second album. No one will disagree with the fact Taylor Swift is more pop than country, but the point being is that she is pop. To say genre's should stick to their own is stupid, because, if that were the case, pop would have died with the descent of the likes of Britney Spears, NSYNC, and Christian Aguilera. Other than that, most pop today is rock influence, rap influenced, or has some kind of ulterior influence underlying it. Even Lady Gaga says that she's heavily influenced by jazz piano.

I like your new avatar. So much gold.

[x togepi x]

That's my problem with him. I don't care about what you think or what pisses you off if you're a pop star. I don't think that's ballsy. I think it's annoying. If Taylor Swift started motuhing off about politics and who should have won awards and whatnot I'd get damn sick of it too.

ah so you'd rather just mindlessly hype spoiled brats who treat their workers like shit but are super nice on tv? cool.

and no taylor fans, i'm not implying that she's like that. she's probably perfect and a goddess and blah blah blah.

Musicians and actors are not in the public eye because anyone gives a shit about their opinions.

who cares why they're in the public eye? they're people who have opinions that they should be able to express stupid or not. you have the ability not to pay attention.


How?

OMG LOOK AT THE POOR POOR LITTLE WHITE GIRL GETTING ATTACKED BY THE BIG BAD BLACK GUY.

I'd agree with you about no racial undertones if people didn't continually bring up her age into the issue. i'm sure miss swift has had someone tell her she sucks before. nbd.

[briewer]

haha yes.
Not gonnna lie, I'd definitely listen to a song of her rapping.

[briewer]

OMG LOOK AT THE POOR POOR LITTLE WHITE GIRL GETTING ATTACKED BY THE BIG BAD BLACK GUY.
Umm...
http://threadtrend.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/large_cover.jpg

[x togepi x]

Not gonnna lie, I'd definitely listen to a song of her rapping.
'yeah i would too but then kids here would talk about it like it was the first rap song ever.

[ruffian]

taylor swift makes theworst pop music today. kanye fucks a model at least

[Kurt Retenauer]

I like your new avatar. So much gold.

:bow:

Let's pretend like she didn't drop one of them, causing it to shatter. Thankfully, the ones they win at the ceremony aren't, in fact, the ones they take home.

[Kurt Retenauer]

'yeah i would too but then kids here would talk about it like it was the first rap song ever.

FPOiqtf2FTE

I know it's kind of a joke, but for sake of argument. Haha. And in response to her treating her workers like shit, none of us obviously know her personally, but her humble beginnings make her seem as if she'd be rather thankful/appreciative of her status rather than to be the type to throw a coffee in someone's face for having skim milk instead of 2%. I know you'll disagree, but that's the beauty of opinion.

[Kurt Retenauer]

Not gonnna lie, I'd definitely listen to a song of her rapping.

Forgot to add you in the quote, but watch the video above, haha.

[usa3803]

Sorry, this is one of my biggest pet peeves, but there is absolutely and never was anything "country" about Taylor Swift. First of all, she was born in Pennsylvania, not the south, so she never really had a southern accent. Also, you can't just sing with a fake twang in your voice when you want to sing "country," but then go back to your normal voice to sing anything else. All taylor swift is is just some really bad, but computerized, vocals that sometimes have an awful fake accent, big electric guitars and drums (not something present in real country at all), and maybe some fiddle here or there to make it seem more country-ish. She sang in a BLG song for god's sake. I don't recall ever hearing George Strait or Jamey Johnson or Alan Jackson singing in a pop-punk song. I apologize for my big rant, but I just had to get this off of my chest as a big fan of traditional country.

[Kurt Retenauer]

Sorry, this is one of my biggest pet peeves, but there is absolutely and never was anything "country" about Taylor Swift. First of all, she was born in Pennsylvania, not the south, so she never really had a southern accent. Also, you can't just sing with a fake twang in your voice when you want to sing "country," but then go back to your normal voice to sing anything else. All taylor swift is is just some really bad, but computerized, vocals that sometimes have an awful fake accent, big electric guitars and drums (not something present in real country at all), and maybe some fiddle here or there to make it seem more country-ish. She sang in a BLG song for god's sake. I don't recall ever hearing George Strait or Jamey Johnson or Alan Jackson singing in a pop-punk song. I apologize for my big rant, but I just had to get this off of my chest as a big fan of traditional country.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/MSimon6808/dont_tread_on_me.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/46CF7ACC707333B/orig.jpg
http://www.wfae.org/wfae/images/BaldEagle.jpg
http://www.ganeshaspeaks.com/blogImages/Barack%20Obama%20Capitol%2004_27012 009.jpg
http://www.ritzreport.com/wp-content/themes/thesis_16/custom/rotator/american-flag-2a.jpg

America!!!! This guy loves America!!!!!!

Wow, what an epic first post right there.

Edit: Decided to dissect what you said. First off, you can't say there's "nothing" country about her. If she's influenced by country, then there is something country about her. Whether her music comes off as country or not to you is irrelevant, it's more so the fact that she cites many influences as being country artists, hence, she has a country element to her. She's often lumped with being country because she toured in support of many country artists, and, in her first album and slightly her second, it has some loose country vibes to it, whether it be something as subtle as an echoing fiddle or a twang in a vocal. Yes, she was born in PA, but, has lived in Nashville for nearly 6 years. When you live in a certain area long enough, you begin to adopt their tendencies, such as accents. While I hear nearly no accent in her voice, I figured I'd point that out just to make you that much more wrong. Also, in her songs, the chord structures she uses, and the occasional fiddle are what give it a country vibe, not her vocals. It's more so pop vocal stylings with loose country/pop music. So, she doesn't "sing country style and go back to a normal voice" at all, she sings the way she sings, and that's that. If some accent comes up, or someone has a much more keen ear for accents than I do, then I'd say it's because she's lived in the south for her entire teenage lifespan. Also, her first record had nearly no "big electric guitars and drums," it was very, very acoustic influenced, other than songs like "Picture to Burn" and "I'm Only Me When I'm With You." No one's (at least I'm not) arguing she's "country," per se, just that she is influenced and has country tendencies, such as a fiddle and chord choices. And, she sang in a BLG song, yes, but even if she were country, that wouldn't make her any LESS country, whatsoever. If I'm a Pittsburgh native but travel to Philadelphia, I wouldn't claim to be a Philadelphian. I would still be a Pittsburgher, just a Pittsburgher in Philadelphia. Therefore, singing in a pop punk song will not qualify her as a pop punk artist. And, while we're on the that topic..

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Johnny Cash, possibly the most profound country artist of all, covered a Nine Inch Nails song. Would that make him electronic/prog rock? So, there you have it, a country man singing an electronica song, yet he's still a country artist. Just because you delve into a genre outside of your own does not automatically affiliate you with the said genre.

[Scrandon]

'yeah i would too but then kids here would talk about it like it was the first rap song ever.

Quit spewing your nonsense kid. Nobody agrees with you. Chill the fuck out and think about what you say before you start crazily typing bullshit on the Internet.

And Hop off Taylor's Nuts- Good Day

[IntoTheSun]

Taylor's storyline was the same fucking cliche we've seen in almost any "coming of age" teen girl movie. What message was in that video that hasn't been said a million times by other boring white girls?

lol exactly. Sincere or not, she gets old fast.

[IntoTheSun]

America!!!! This guy loves America!!!!!!

Wow, what an epic first post right there.

I wonder if Tim would disapprove.

[briewer]

FPOiqtf2FTE

I know it's kind of a joke, but for sake of argument. Haha. And in response to her treating her workers like shit, none of us obviously know her personally, but her humble beginnings make her seem as if she'd be rather thankful/appreciative of her status rather than to be the type to throw a coffee in someone's face for having skim milk instead of 2%. I know you'll disagree, but that's the beauty of opinion.
Yeah, I'd definitely rock that album.

[septembergirl92]

Let's pretend like she didn't drop one of them, causing it to shatter. Thankfully, the ones they win at the ceremony aren't, in fact, the ones they take home.

Hopefully it was the Album of the Year trophy, cause she didnt deserve that one.

[briewer]

Quit spewing your nonsense kid. Nobody agrees with you. Chill the fuck out and think about what you say before you start crazily typing bullshit on the Internet.

And Hop off Taylor's Nuts- Good Day
Umm.... he's five years older than you, kid.

[Scrandon]

Umm.... he's five years older than you, kid.

AND I CARE WHY?????!!?!?

[IntoTheSun]

AND I CARE WHY?????!!?!?

You should just stop before you embarass yourself further, bro.

[briewer]

AND I CARE WHY?????!!?!?
Let me break it down for you.

This is a kid:
http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/kid-treadmill-11-10-2006.jpg

This is not:
http://www.surrey.police.uk/images/gallery/!Operations%20(shared%20images)/Atlas%20-%20Matthew%20Demko%20[Surrey%20Police].jpg

You're the former. togepi's the latter. Ya dig?

[Scrandon]

You should just stop before you embarass yourself further, bro.

Im not ebarrassed about a bunch of emo kids coming on here and saying that mainstream music isn't original.
God you should be embarrassed for being so damn cliche.

[Scrandon]

Let me break it down for you.

This is a kid:
http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/kid-treadmill-11-10-2006.jpg

This is not:
http://www.surrey.police.uk/images/gallery/!Operations%20(shared%20images)/Atlas%20-%20Matthew%20Demko%20[Surrey%20Police].jpg

You're the former. togepi's the latter. Ya dig?

kay thanks bye

[Kurt Retenauer]

I wonder if Tim would disapprove.

Namedropping Tim, expect everyone to accuse you of crushing on him in three, two, one..

Haha, but on a serious note, Tim would probably beat my ass right now. That's no way to treat a newbie, but, I couldn't resist, haha. I just hate when newbies spew nonsense like that because they think they know country better than anyone around. I don't know country any better than the next person, but, you can't argue someone's influences.

[briewer]

Im not ebarrassed about a bunch of emo kids coming on here and saying that mainstream music isn't original.
God you should be embarrassed for being so damn cliche.
Holy fucking LOL.

[Kurt Retenauer]

Yeah, I'd definitely rock that album.

Part two impacting radio's soon. Except, not really.

[IntoTheSun]

Let me break it down for you.

This is a kid:
http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/kid-treadmill-11-10-2006.jpg

This is not:
http://www.surrey.police.uk/images/gallery/!Operations%20(shared%20images)/Atlas%20-%20Matthew%20Demko%20[Surrey%20Police].jpg

You're the former. togepi's the latter. Ya dig?

You did this so much better than I.

Im not ebarrassed about a bunch of emo kids coming on here and saying that mainstream music isn't original.
God you should be embarrassed for being so damn cliche.

lol

And Kearn1tm is just a boring white hipster, amirite? And ALL HIP HOP IS BAD!!!

God, you're genius.


Holy fucking LOL.

HAHAHA, exactly.

[briewer]

kay thanks bye
So maybe now you should, like, you know, chill the fuck out and, like, think about what you say before you start crazily typing bullshit.

And hop off tog-dog's nuts.

[Kurt Retenauer]

Holy fucking LOL.

He reminds me of that one kid, I think his name was DieHard, that would come into the Babe Thread, quote everyone that posted pictures of girls with small chests, and say "SHE'S NOT HOT BECAUSE SHE HAS SMALL TITS," and things of that nature. And then, when people would mock him, he'd say "GO DIE!!!!!!!!!!"

I wonder what happened to him. I'm sure he'll see this eventually, I swear he trolls my posts. So, hello DieHard, when and if you see this.

[IntoTheSun]

Namedropping Tim, expect everyone to accuse you of crushing on him in three, two, one..

Well, gee. It's not like I haven't been obvious about it :-d

Haha, but on a serious note, Tim would probably beat my ass right now. That's no way to treat a newbie, but, I couldn't resist, haha. I just hate when newbies spew nonsense like that because they think they know country better than anyone around. I don't know country any better than the next person, but, you can't argue someone's influences.

Yeah, I know what you mean. But it was his first post, dude!

[Kurt Retenauer]

Hopefully it was the Album of the Year trophy, cause she didnt deserve that one.

Funny one, right here! What are you, a distraught DMB fan, a fan of Miss I-Wear-Empire-State-Buildings-On-My-Head, or a fan of the woman that contributed the "best video of all time?"

[IntoTheSun]

He reminds me of that one kid, I think his name was DieHard, that would come into the Babe Thread, quote everyone that posted pictures of girls with small chests, and say "SHE'S NOT HOT BECAUSE SHE HAS SMALL TITS," and things of that nature. And then, when people would mock him, he'd say "GO DIE!!!!!!!!!!"

I wonder what happened to him. I'm sure he'll see this eventually, I swear he trolls my posts. So, hello DieHard, when and if you see this.

HAHAHAHA, this is hilarious. That kid is Jeremy...sizetoosmall?

[Kurt Retenauer]

Well, gee. It's not like I haven't been obvious about it :-d



Yeah, I know what you mean. But it was his first post, dude!

Still, you know he probably wakes up to "Born In The USA" by The Boss. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Kurt Retenauer]

HAHAHAHA, this is hilarious. That kid is Jeremy...sizetoosmall?

Really? I thought sizetoosmall liked skinny girls? In fact, I'm pretty sure sizetoosmall likes Taylor Swift, aesthetically speaking. DieHard trolled the hell out of Taylor posts.

[Scrandon]

Funny one, right here! What are you, a distraught DMB fan, a fan of Miss I-Wear-Empire-State-Buildings-On-My-Head, or a fan of the woman that contributed the "best video of all time?"

oh god dont go there. i did and these people went apeshit

[Kurt Retenauer]

But in all seriousness, that kid couldn't have been serious about Taylor singing with Boys Like Girls, and have that be part of his reasoning for not being country. Johnny Cash covered, not guest sang, but COVERED a NIN song, yet no one would consider JCash an electronic artist.

[septembergirl92]

Funny one, right here! What are you, a distraught DMB fan, a fan of Miss I-Wear-Empire-State-Buildings-On-My-Head, or a fan of the woman that contributed the "best video of all time?"

Definitely not a DMB fan, but I like Lady Gaga and Beyonce way more than T-Swift...
IMO IMO just so you know I dont have a problem with her winning the other ones, just Album of the Year, I think should have gone to Gaga.

[Kurt Retenauer]

oh god dont go there. i did and these people went apeshit

You've gotta know when to test the waters, though, man. I am a Taylor fan, and I can take other people's opinions on why she's not good if they can support them, but when you say "She doesn't deserve it," then, I'll need further elaboration. You just kind of quoted togepi and criticized his opinion. Opinions can't be wrong, they can only be disagreed with. It's one thing to disagree with him, and say why, like I have, but to just tell him to "stop" is silly.

[Kurt Retenauer]

Definitely not a DMB fan, but I like Lady Gaga and Beyonce way more than T-Swift...
IMO IMO just so you know I dont have a problem with her winning the other ones, just Album of the Year, I think should have gone to Gaga.

Yeah, I can't get into DMB either. I'll agree that GaGa could/would have been a good recipient, in fact, if Taylor had lost to her, I wouldn't have been upset, because GaGa had an incredible year in support of that record as well. But, sales wise, and singles wise, Taylor took the cake. I think Fearless had something like 9 singles to reach Billboard, 3 of which went number one, and the re-release, all 6 songs apparently also charted. Highest selling record two years in a row, and the woman with the most Billboard hit singles in the entire decade, not to mention the longest running number one single since 2000 (Love Story), it's understandable why it went to Taylor, too. People may disagree and say it's not the best, but unfortunately, sales typically have a huge say so in award ceremonies; it makes the musical big-whigs jobs a lot easier.

[Scrandon]

You've gotta know when to test the waters, though, man. I am a Taylor fan, and I can take other people's opinions on why she's not good if they can support them, but when you say "She doesn't deserve it," then, I'll need further elaboration. You just kind of quoted togepi and criticized his opinion. Opinions can't be wrong, they can only be disagreed with. It's one thing to disagree with him, and say why, like I have, but to just tell him to "stop" is silly.

Actually i said that she isn't popular just because of racism.
And he didn't really have an opinion except that nothing is original.
But yea.....

[IntoTheSun]

Really? I thought sizetoosmall liked skinny girls? In fact, I'm pretty sure sizetoosmall likes Taylor Swift, aesthetically speaking. DieHard trolled the hell out of Taylor posts.

Ha, almost 100% sure they're the same person.

[Kurt Retenauer]

Actually i said that she isn't popular just because of racism.
And he didn't really have an opinion except that nothing is original.
But yea.....

Well, lets face it, Taylor's brand of music isn't extremely original. Her songs, in particular, are original, but female pop/country itself isn't. I mean, female pop/country artists have been around for nearly two decades now.

[Kurt Retenauer]

Ha, almost 100% sure they're the same person.

I guess we need a better tell tale sign than what kinds of girls they're into, haha.

[IntoTheSun]

I guess we need a better tell tale sign than what kinds of girls they're into, haha.

He told me himself.

[Kurt Retenauer]

He told me himself.

Haha I believe you, I was just being sarcastic.

[septembergirl92]

Yeah, I can't get into DMB either. I'll agree that GaGa could/would have been a good recipient, in fact, if Taylor had lost to her, I wouldn't have been upset, because GaGa had an incredible year in support of that record as well. But, sales wise, and singles wise, Taylor took the cake. I think Fearless had something like 9 singles to reach Billboard, 3 of which went number one, and the re-release, all 6 songs apparently also charted. Highest selling record two years in a row, and the woman with the most Billboard hit singles in the entire decade, not to mention the longest running number one single since 2000 (Love Story), it's understandable why it went to Taylor, too. People may disagree and say it's not the best, but unfortunately, sales typically have a huge say so in award ceremonies; it makes the musical big-whigs jobs a lot easier.

Jeez you know your info lol
Both women have sold plenty of albums and charted a good number of songs.

[SophGod]

Thread was going great until that Scrandon guy tried to jump in and said something about emo people

[Kurt Retenauer]

Jeez you know your info lol
Both women have sold plenty of albums and charted a good number of songs.

Billboard put out an article about it recently, detailing the records it broke/successes etc. I'm usually not a stats person, haha. But yeah, GaGa and Swift were easily the best pop artists of the year.

[xJesusFreakx]

When people name drop me while I'm not around, I feel so special and loved. Then I remember that this is just the internet, and my ego dies off again.

[IntoTheSun]

When people name drop me while I'm not around, I feel so special and loved. Then I remember that this is just the internet, and my ego dies off again.

:hug:

[Kurt Retenauer]

When people name drop me while I'm not around, I feel so special and loved. Then I remember that this is just the internet, and my ego dies off again.

It's okay, Tim. I love you.

And so does Andrea

[usa3803]

Don't worry about treating me badly, even if I am new. I'm not gonna go running around crying if someone disagrees with my opinion

But, I just want to respond to your response: First of all, you said that because she has stated her influences as traditional country artists, she has a country element to her. Yet, the Jonas Brothers have said one of their biggest influences is Johnny Cash, but there is no "country element" to their music whatsoever (or at least what I have heard of their music). And, you said that the "chord structures she uses, and the occasional fiddle are what give it a country vibe, not her vocals." Do you mean to say that adding a little bit of fiddle, even without a certain style of vocals, will make that song country? Just because a song has "country vibes" does not make it country at all. Furthermore, if you just listen to the lyrics and the themes she uses in her songs, it's clear they do not fit in with those of country legends like Hank Williams, Lefty Frizzell, Waylon Jennings, and even Johnny Cash. I don't recall hearing them singing about how life is a big fairy tale, and how a knight in shining armor will come to save you. The actual messages in her songs are really quite shallow and amateur. And do you really think that if you played traditional country on a radio station anywhere outside of the south, people would listen? The demographics of taylor swifts listeners tend to be girls aged 11-18 and are mostly from more urban areas. If you ever travel to the deep south, like Alabama, you would rarely hear such music being played on their country radio stations.
Just listen to Murder on Music Row by G. Strait and A. Jackson, and what they're saying clearly fits in with the image of Taylor Swift.

[xJesusFreakx]

:hug:

Why is this hugging taking place in a back alley again? How scandalous...

It's okay, Tim. I love you.

And so does Andrea

Oh, Andrea does a lot. I hear she has a little bit of a crush...

[Kurt Retenauer]

Don't worry about treating me badly, even if I am new. I'm not gonna go running around crying if someone disagrees with my opinion

But, I just want to respond to your response: First of all, you said that because she has stated her influences as traditional country artists, she has a country element to her. Yet, the Jonas Brothers have said one of their biggest influences is Johnny Cash, but there is no "country element" to their music whatsoever (or at least what I have heard of their music). And, you said that the "chord structures she uses, and the occasional fiddle are what give it a country vibe, not her vocals." Do you mean to say that adding a little bit of fiddle, even without a certain style of vocals, will make that song country? Just because a song has "country vibes" does not make it country at all. Furthermore, if you just listen to the lyrics and the themes she uses in her songs, it's clear they do not fit in with those of country legends like Hank Williams, Lefty Frizzell, Waylon Jennings, and even Johnny Cash. I don't recall hearing them singing about how life is a big fairy tale, and how a knight in shining armor will come to save you. The actual messages in her songs are really quite shallow and amateur. And do you really think that if you played traditional country on a radio station anywhere outside of the south, people would listen? The demographics of taylor swifts listeners tend to be girls aged 11-18 and are mostly from more urban areas. If you ever travel to the deep south, like Alabama, you would rarely hear such music being played on their country radio stations.
Just listen to Murder on Music Row by G. Strait and A. Jackson, and what they're saying clearly fits in with the image of Taylor Swift.

You're proving my point, man. I said that she's not country, I said she's pop with country tendencies, fiddle being a tendency. As I said, no one (or at least me) is arguing that she's country; she's clearly a pop artist with country influences/elements. So, while adding a fiddle does not make a song country, it does make it have a country element. And, I don't really care what's played on the radio "down South," or what her demographics are, the point being is that she's a pop star that is influenced by country, and, at one point, had more of a "country" sound to her, but still, was not "country." I had no idea so many country fans had such a bitter edge to pick with Swift for often being categorized as a "country" artist. Believe me, fans like myself hate the wrong categorization just as much as you do. Just makes it another argument that fans like myself have to have with country fans that say "She's not country," and when you say that, I agree. It's just a category that she's been lumped in due to her beginnings and original sound/influences/musical tendencies. So, when people say she's not country, I agree, so I don't see why people feel the need to point out the obvious. You don't think she's country, and neither do. I just think that she incorporates country influences in a subtle manner, such as with a fiddle or a slide guitar, or chord structures. Throw them altogether, and you've got a country song. However, separate, as Swift keeps them, you have a pop song with some country sound. So, thanks for agreeing with me that Taylor is, indeed, not country. But, to say that she has "no country elements at all" is just wrong.

[usa3803]

You're proving my point, man. I said that she's not country, I said she's pop with country tendencies, fiddle being a tendency. As I said, no one (or at least me) is arguing that she's country; she's clearly a pop artist with country influences/elements. So, while adding a fiddle does not make a song country, it does make it have a country element. And, I don't really care what's played on the radio "down South," or what her demographics are, the point being is that she's a pop star that is influenced by country, and, at one point, had more of a "country" sound to her, but still, was not "country." I had no idea so many country fans had such a bitter edge to pick with Swift for often being categorized as a "country" artist. Believe me, fans like myself hate the wrong categorization just as much as you do. You don't think she's country, and neither do I. I just think that she incorporates country influences in a subtle manner, such as with a fiddle or a slide guitar, or chord structures. Throw them altogether, and you've got a country song. However, separate, as Swift keeps them, you have a pop song with some country sound. So, thanks for agreeing with me that Taylor is, indeed, not country. But, to say that she has "no country elements at all" is just wrong.

Okey dokey then. for some reason i thought you were saying she WAS country. oh well

[Kurt Retenauer]

Okey dokey then. for some reason i thought you were saying she WAS country. oh well

No no no no. Not at all. Many people (her fans included, which sucks, I know) will argue that she's as country as country comes, but me, along with others, mainly Tim (Hi again, Tim) have had the same discussion with others that I have just had with you. She's got a fiddle, simple acoustic chord based songs, a slight twang in her vocals, but that's it. That creates a slight impression of country music, but that impression is only an allusion to a true country song, it's still a pop song at heart. Kind of like ska music, it's got horns and such, but it's not classical or big band at all, just has familiar instruments/sounds. So, ska has a "touch" of a big band/swing element, just like Taylor has a "touch" of country.

[nerdvglc]

the cloud of stupidity mixed with ignorance leaves me with only one course of action...

(i left)

[cshadows2887]

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America!!!! This guy loves America!!!!!!

Wow, what an epic first post right there.

Wow. Br00tal. I'm impressed.

[kearn1tm]

Quit spewing your nonsense kid. Nobody agrees with you. Chill the fuck out and think about what you say before you start crazily typing bullshit on the Internet.

And Hop off Taylor's Nuts- Good Day

Another thread in which you ignore the issues of race, white privilege and western hierarchy and someone has to correct your ignorant ass. Surprise.

For anyone arguing with Topegi, you're fucking ignorant too.

[kearn1tm]

Im not ebarrassed about a bunch of emo kids coming on here and saying that mainstream music isn't original.
God you should be embarrassed for being so damn cliche.

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Also speaking of cliches, stop being such a cliched white person who can't/won't empathize with the struggle of an oppressed section of people!

[kearn1tm]

And Kearn1tm is just a boring white hipster, amirite?


I wouldn't necessarily argue with this myself. I play an online fantasty pro-wrestling league and wear sweater vests unironically!

[ModusPwnens]

and Beyonce's video was just dancing.

Yeah, but it was incredible dancing shot in an interesting way.

At least Taylor's and a storyline and message


Yeah, but it was trite and corporate in style.

[CalRahhh]

are you fucking joking? College Dropout and Late Registration were some of the best hip hop albums of the 90s. Taylor Swift is what bros who want to get in touch with their softer side listen to.

Did no one see this? haha

[MADSTA]

This thread title makes no sense.

[ModusPwnens]

This thread title makes no sense.

Literally none. I sat there for 2 minutes or so trying to cram it through my brain tubes before I just gave up and came inside.

[cshadows2887]

I sat there for 2 minutes or so trying to cram it through my brain tubes before I just gave up and came inside.

Dirty.

[ModusPwnens]

Dirty.

Leave it all bold and it's way worse.

[cshadows2887]

Leave it all bold and it's way worse.

Yeah. That's some anime shit.

[xJesusFreakx]

Oh goodness...

[Scrandon]

Also speaking of cliches, stop being such a cliched white person who can't/won't empathize with the struggle of an oppressed section of people!

Okay cause i dont like hip hop yea makes sense to make that sweeping generalization!

ps here's your school

http://tinypic.com/r/2zdyjys/6

[kearn1tm]

Okay cause i dont like hip hop yea makes sense to make that sweeping generalization!

ps here's your school

http://tinypic.com/r/2zdyjys/6

Drop out of college. You're wasting money.

You claimed Hip Hop wasn't an artistically viable genre. There's a difference between not caring for something and claiming it's devoid of substance. Hip Hop carries with it an Afrocentric epistemology (knowledge, what it is, who it benefits, who believes it, how it was formed, etc.) and ideology. By claiming it has no artistic meaning, you're dismissing a genre that cultivates and nurtures African American expression.

You're an idiot in addition to ignorant. Seriously, drop out.

[Kurt Retenauer]

There is some excellent hip hop out there. I firmly believe there is no genre that has not one good artist, or at least an artist worth listening to, aside from "crunk core."

[Scrandon]

Drop out of college. You're wasting money.

You claimed Hip Hop wasn't an artistically viable genre. There's a difference between not caring for something and claiming it's devoid of substance. Hip Hop carries with it an Afrocentric epistemology (knowledge, what it is, who it benefits, who believes it, how it was formed, etc.) and ideology. By claiming it has no artistic meaning, you're dismissing a genre that cultivates and nurtures African American expression.

You're an idiot in addition to ignorant. Seriously, drop out.

OOHHHH please tell me where i said that kid. Or quit making stuff up.

http://www.tinypic.com/r/2zdyjys/6

[Scrandon]

There is some excellent hip hop out there. I firmly believe there is no genre that has not one good artist, or at least an artist worth listening to, aside from "crunk core."

o so you can say crunk core has nothing good. but i'm not allowed to say hip hop has nothing good OK MAN I GUESS YOUR RIGHT

[kearn1tm]

OOHHHH please tell me where i said that kid. Or quit making stuff up.

http://www.tinypic.com/r/2zdyjys/6

The one where you claimed it all sounded the same and therefore sucked, sexy. Life's rough for whitey, though. Red Jumpsuit told me in a song.

no such thing

guess what.. you can do that. a genre is similar enough to make a blanket statement about.

You claim an entire genre is bad, and therefore without artistic merit, and it's without depth and diversity. They all sound the same, right? I mean, it's so similar, blanket statments can be made.

God, you're dumb, honey bunny, I hope you're sexy all that retardation.

[pblest]

Did no one see this? haha

I meant the 00's, my bad hahaha

[Scrandon]

The one where you claimed it all sounded the same and therefore sucked, sexy. Life's rough for whitey, though. Red Jumpsuit told me in a song.





You claim an entire genre is bad, and therefore without artistic merit, and it's without depth and diversity. They all sound the same, right? I mean, it's so similar, blanket statments can be made.

God, you're dumb, honey bunny, I hope you're sexy all that retardation.

No Such Thing in response to the title "Good rap or hip hop albums"
not to a title called "Artistic merit in hip hop"

Saying i dont like it means exactly what it says. Quit implying, inferring, or whatever the fuck it is you do . Just stop

And HopOffMyNutzzzz

kthxbye!

[xJesusFreakx]

As much as I wish the forums were more friendly, there's something really entertaining about watching angry Todd rip into naive users.

[Kurt Retenauer]

o so you can say crunk core has nothing good. but i'm not allowed to say hip hop has nothing good OK MAN I GUESS YOUR RIGHT

Hip hop has true roots, rooted in African American culture. Crunk core is rooted in the digital era, and a passing trend. Hip hop has withstood the test of time, crunk core has not. I think we both know the legitimate genre.

[crackedthesky]

The Grammar and rationale of the vast majority of this thread makes me feel like there's no hope for this world.

[x togepi x]

Quit spewing your nonsense kid. Nobody agrees with you. Chill the fuck out and think about what you say before you start crazily typing bullshit on the Internet.

And Hop off Taylor's Nuts- Good Day

who cares? it's true and your lack of response isn't exactly hurting your case. anyone who's actually educated is going to at least try and take that into consideration instead of calling it "crazy bullshit". but you're an idiot and a weak troll so whatever.

FPOiqtf2FTE

I know it's kind of a joke, but for sake of argument. Haha. And in response to her treating her workers like shit, none of us obviously know her personally, but her humble beginnings make her seem as if she'd be rather thankful/appreciative of her status rather than to be the type to throw a coffee in someone's face for having skim milk instead of 2%. I know you'll disagree, but that's the beauty of opinion.

haha i forgot about that.

I wasn't implying that she's a bad person, just trying to say that anyone who likes mainstream music who doesn't like Kanye because "he's a douche" probably doesn't know anything about musicians as a group anyway. a lot of musicians who make any level of prominence, even if they're just a cool local band, can and often are assholes. there are obvious exceptions, my point about Mr. West is at least he seems less passive aggressive and more upfront about things than a lot of people.

lol exactly. Sincere or not, she gets old fast.

i'm sure a lot of that is because she's young.

it's funny because my band has a song called "I'm So Fucking Tired of Taylor Swift" where I make a lot of references to similar things though. It isn't a diss track but more of a take on Jets to Brazil's "I Typed For Miles" though.

Actually i said that she isn't popular just because of racism.

No, I said she owed a lot of her popularity and level of prominence to the fact that her rise as an artist came in country music which is an area in which white privilege is very prevalent. That isn't at all like saying she's popular "just because of racism". but yeah, you apparently can't read.

And he didn't really have an opinion except that nothing is original.
But yea.....

Again, I didn't say this. I said that she recycles themes that SHE uses too often. There's nothing wrong with her writing about romeo and juliet. It just gets tiresome when she makes reference to fairytales repeatedly.

[Kurt Retenauer]

haha i forgot about that.

I wasn't implying that she's a bad person, just trying to say that anyone who likes mainstream music who doesn't like Kanye because "he's a douche" probably doesn't know anything about musicians as a group anyway. a lot of musicians who make any level of prominence, even if they're just a cool local band, can and often are assholes. there are obvious exceptions, my point about Mr. West is at least he seems less passive aggressive and more upfront about things than a lot of people.



Yeah, I feel you. Most musicians with any "popularity" are typically arrogant, or assholes, so I'll agree with you there. And I agree that it's wrong to hate Kanye because "he's a douche," because the same people saying those things are probably fans of another musician/group/band that are also assholes. I don't really care for Kanye or his music, but I don't "hate" him for being arrogant, like a lot of people do. I don't care for his music, and I don't like him as a person, but then again, I'm not crazily into hip hop, so it makes sense why I don't care for his music, so it's easier to say, "I don't like Kanye, and I don't care for his music." It's wrong to withhold judgment on someone's music based on their personality on/off the stage; hate their music, or hate them as a person, and make it clear when saying what you hate about them, rather than, "I hate Kanye West because he's a douche." It'd be better if people said, "I hate his music and him as a person," or "I don't care for his music, and he's an asshole," or "I like his music but not him," etc. And, if there is any silver lining in Kanye, you hit it head on, with the fact that he is very opinionated and honest with what he thinks/feels, and, I'd rather have someone be that way than have a split personality when cameras are around versus when they aren't.

And, I know that when he ruined Taylor's VMA, went on his George Bush rant, and anything else he did controversial, I probably said, "I can't stand Kanye, he's a douche," etc., but those were just heat of the moment things. Overall, I just don't care for his music, and I dislike him as a person, but there are many mainstream artists that I do support that are probably just as much assholes as he is, and I just don't know it because they aren't as forward as he is.

[IntoTheSun]

I wouldn't necessarily argue with this myself. I play an online fantasty pro-wrestling league and wear sweater vests unironically!

Ha...

[xJesusFreakx]

Kanye isn't a douche so much as he's just ridiculous, and I love that about him.

[Kurt Retenauer]

Kanye isn't a douche so much as he's just ridonkulous, and I love that about him.

Fixed.

[xJesusFreakx]

Fixed.

Ha, "ridonkulous" is such a, well, ridonkulous word.

[Sundawgrecords]

T Swizzle?

[kearn1tm]

No Such Thing in response to the title "Good rap or hip hop albums"
not to a title called "Artistic merit in hip hop"

So, again dude, why are you wasting your college's time? You're taking financial aid from kids who aren't mentally incompetent.

You said there's no good rap/hip hop, so you're saying that there's no quality simply because you don't like it. There's no quality from an afrocentric epistemological expression. You say that because your white privilege allows you to dismiss it.

What I'm saying is, you're an ignorant tool.

When you respond to this, think first. Then remember "I'm ignorant." Then be sure to think about how wrong you are about everything ever.

Saying i dont like it means exactly what it says. Quit implying, inferring, or whatever the fuck it is you do . Just stop

And HopOffMyNutzzzz

kthxbye!

Sorry, sweetie. You suck. Again, I hope you're a looker 'cause the brains ain't there.

[cshadows2887]

God, you're dumb, honey bunny, I hope you're sexy all that retardation.

Wouldn't it be funny if he ended up being a homophobe on top of a mongoloid waste of a post count?

[kearn1tm]

Wouldn't it be funny if he ended up being a homophobe on top of a mongoloid waste of a post count?

You and I have a different sense of humor, apparently.

[cshadows2887]

You and I have a different sense of humor, apparently.

Some people are so monumentally dumb I just have to laugh. Adding that feather to his cap would just seem too fitting.

[kearn1tm]

Some people are so monumentally dumb I just have to laugh. Adding that feather to his cap would just seem too fitting.

I think it would be sad, personally, and the less homophobes, the better, but I'm not going to speculate on that front.

[cshadows2887]

I think it would be sad, personally, and the less homophobes, the better, but I'm not going to speculate on that front.

Well, I mean, if he is a homophobe, he's already been one. So their numbers wouldn't technically have increased. One would have just outed themselves. But your point is taken.

[T-bag]

Why not Just put them in a cage Fight to the death. Winner Commits suicide.

[RX XR]

are you fucking joking? College Dropout and Late Registration were some of the best hip hop albums of the 2000s. Taylor Swift is what bros who want to get in touch with their softer side listen to.

ummm yeah I just posted that as a joke smart guii. But really kanye probably has one of the more annoying voices in the rap genre. He can flow just can't stand his voice.