Why Can't I Like "The Devil And God"?

[imchriswalken]

I used to love Brand New about 7 years ago, and I'll admit that "The Devil And God" is a solid album, but... I honestly couldn't care less. I'm not even sure if Daisy actually came out or not. Why don't they matter to me anymore?

[oddwithoutend]

Oh, no.

[GeeBee]

I've never really cared for anything they ever did. Plus Lacey seems like a real douche.

[oddwithoutend]

Why am I not attracted to twelve year old girls anymore?

[IntoTheSun]

You make me want to stab something repeatedly with a dull, rusty knife.

[Brand-new-123]

Oh noes! You don't like music that a band makes anymore!

[imchriswalken]

Why am I not attracted to twelve year old girls anymore?

You make me want to stab something repeatedly with a dull, rusty knife.

Considering that both of you are basically children and of the same generation that got brokencyde and the millionaires on to Warped Tour, and probably haven't heard of half the bands that I was listening to at your age that made everything you enjoy possible, I'm going to discount your apparent rage. You are the reason I feel like I'm in a midlife crisis. Besides, it was a serious goddamn question, although I probably won't be able to take your answers seriously because I already consider you too ignorant to count. The point is, is it as simple as I'm just not into what they're doing and everyone else is, or is the world really getting worse and just happy to latch on to anything that has cred points?

Oh noes! You don't like music that a band makes anymore!

Fair enough, but I feel like it's more than that. Last time I went to see them live, I was just disappointed. All the shows up to and including the Deja Entendu tour were incredible, and then when I saw them a couple of years ago, I was struck with how much better Thrice was, because they seemed like they were actually having fun. Their music just seems like it doesn't have any heart anymore? I'm sure no one agrees, but I'm looking for a solid explanation why, not "OMG I WAS BORN YESTERDAY AND AP.NET SEYZ THEIR AWSOME SO I AGREEEEEE" kthx.

[Brand-new-123]

lol

[IntoTheSun]

Why are you complaining yourself? You can't comprehend why you don't like a band anymore...? Why are you asking us?

Considering that both of you are basically children and of the same generation that got brokencyde and the millionaires on to Warped Tour, and probably haven't heard of half the bands that I was listening to at your age that made everything you enjoy possible, I'm going to discount your apparent rage.

No, that would be the people who are 12-15 right now. What does listening to bands you do have to do with anything?

You are the reason I feel like I'm in a midlife crisis.

Yes. Blame people on the internet for your troubles.

Besides, it was a serious goddamn question,

It's hard to take it seriously when there's no way to answer it. And there are millions of pointless Brand New threads already. We didnt need another one. Also, you posed the same question in the Brand New thread already.

although I probably won't be able to take your answers seriously because I already consider you too ignorant to count.
You really think I wanted to stab something repeatedly with a rusty knife?
The point is, is it as simple as I'm just not into what they're doing and everyone else is, or is the world really getting worse and just happy to latch on to anything that has cred points?
Yeah, that's exactly why I listen to Brand New, for cred. Because like, you get so much respect and shit from other people. Wow.

[IntoTheSun]

lol

WAHHH I don't like this band anymore! Therefore, everyone who listens to them must be sheep and want cred!

[oddwithoutend]

Considering that both of you are basically children and of the same generation that got brokencyde and the millionaires on to Warped Tour, and probably haven't heard of half the bands that I was listening to at your age that made everything you enjoy possible, I'm going to discount your apparent rage.
Since you think YFW is superior to TDAG, I'm going to consider most of your posts to be worthless. Good job being older than me, though. You rock.

[IntoTheSun]

Since you think YFW is superior to TDAG, I'm going to consider most of your posts to be worthless. Good job being older than me, though. You rock.

Rick, you obviously only like that album and think YFW sucks BECUZ AP.NET SEYZ SO!!! Duh.

[imchriswalken]

Also, you posed the same question in the Brand New thread already.

You really think I wanted to stab something repeatedly with a rusty knife?

Yeah, that's exactly why I listen to Brand New, for cred. Because like, you get so much respect and shit from other people. Wow.

You're right, and good call on the previous post. Obviously I don't spend as much time on the forums as others do. I guess I hoped I'd find people like myself who'd understand when I was on a serious search for an answer and try and help me out instead of answer me with sarcasm. I'm not surprised, so thanks for feeding my cynicism.

I was looking for more serious discussion like, do fans and bands grow apart? Does that reflect negatively on either party, especially when the connection used to be so strong? What does it mean when an entire generation of fans checks out and is replaced by a whole new generation?

I don't think I stopped liking them because more people liked them. I lost it because they no longer exhibited the things that I loved about them so much, and then I just got confused because all of a sudden, people loved them. Why didn't people love this band already? They'd been around for 7 or 8 years, touring constantly... why the sudden attention? Etc.

[Brand-new-123]

Fair enough, but I feel like it's more than that. Last time I went to see them live, I was just disappointed. All the shows up to and including the Deja Entendu tour were incredible, and then when I saw them a couple of years ago, I was struck with how much better Thrice was, because they seemed like they were actually having fun. Their music just seems like it doesn't have any heart anymore? I'm sure no one agrees, but I'm looking for a solid explanation why, not "OMG I WAS BORN YESTERDAY AND AP.NET SEYZ THEIR AWSOME SO I AGREEEEEE" kthx.
Why do you think there has to be a real reason for not enjoying their newest material? I didn't enjoy Daisy very much at all, but I'm not trying to find some great philosophical reason for not liking it. I also don't enjoy very much of the same music I did 7 years ago. As you age and mature your taste in music changes and develops. It's not a big deal or even a bad thing. My advice to you is to focus on the music that you actually enjoy instead of trying to rationalize why you don't like something.

Welcome to AP.net, by the way. If you stick around, and stop making threads like this one, you might get some really cool music recommendations.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

Considering that both of you are basically children and of the same generation that got brokencyde and the millionaires on to Warped Tour, and probably haven't heard of half the bands that I was listening to at your age that made everything you enjoy possible, I'm going to discount your apparent rage. You are the reason I feel like I'm in a midlife crisis. Besides, it was a serious goddamn question, although I probably won't be able to take your answers seriously because I already consider you too ignorant to count. The point is, is it as simple as I'm just not into what they're doing and everyone else is, or is the world really getting worse and just happy to latch on to anything that has cred points?



Fair enough, but I feel like it's more than that. Last time I went to see them live, I was just disappointed. All the shows up to and including the Deja Entendu tour were incredible, and then when I saw them a couple of years ago, I was struck with how much better Thrice was, because they seemed like they were actually having fun. Their music just seems like it doesn't have any heart anymore? I'm sure no one agrees, but I'm looking for a solid explanation why, not "OMG I WAS BORN YESTERDAY AND AP.NET SEYZ THEIR AWSOME SO I AGREEEEEE" kthx.

You're annoying. Who touts their age? If you don't like Brand New, then cool...I don't care. Don't listen to them and don't make stupid threads about how you don't like them.

[imchriswalken]

Since you think YFW is superior to TDAG, I'm going to consider most of your posts to be worthless. Good job being older than me, though. You rock.

Rick, you obviously only like that album and think YFW sucks BECUZ AP.NET SEYZ SO!!! Duh.

I didn't say superior, I said that's what I liked, and though I can appreciate TDAG, I don't understand why it doesn't strike me emotionally as YFW did when I was younger.

[Brand-new-123]

WAHHH I don't like this band anymore! Therefore, everyone who listens to them must be sheep and want cred!
Obviously! I only listen to music for the cred!

[imchriswalken]

Why do you think there has to be a real reason for not enjoying their newest material? I didn't enjoy Daisy very much at all, but I'm not trying to find some great philosophical reason for not liking it. I also don't enjoy very much of the same music I did 7 years ago. As you age and mature your taste in music changes and develops. It's not a big deal or even a bad thing. My advice to you is to focus on the music that you actually enjoy instead of trying to rationalize why you don't like something.

Welcome to AP.net, by the way. If you stick around, and stop making threads like this one, you might get some really cool music recommendations.

Is it just that I've changed? I don't feel like I have.

And you could just try and answer my question instead of attacking me, you know. That would be nice. If that's what AP.net is about, then I'm not sure I feel like posting anymore.

[oddwithoutend]

I didn't say superior, I said that's what I liked, and though I can appreciate TDAG, I don't understand why it doesn't strike me emotionally as YFW did when I was younger.
Oh, so you can tell TDAG is better? Then the answer is simple; it's because you're jaded.

[imchriswalken]

Oh, so you can tell TDAG is better? Then the answer is simple; it's because you're jaded.

Ok, some direction.

I still wouldn't say TDAG is "better." More mature, more thought out, sure. More enjoyable, more emotional, I'm not so certain. The only song that gets me pumped is "The Archer's Bows," live too. So, this idea of "jaded," how do you mean?

[Brand-new-123]

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Is it just that I've changed? I don't feel like I have.

And you could just try and answer my question instead of attacking me, you know. That would be nice. If that's what AP.net is about, then I'm not sure I feel like posting anymore.
Maybe you just don't like it. There's no shame in that at all. Like what you like.

I didn't attack you once in there. I'm actually trying to help you out, man. I was sincerely welcoming you to the site. That was an honest warning that you won't enjoy your time here very much if you make threads like this one.

[IntoTheSun]

You're right, and good call on the previous post. Obviously I don't spend as much time on the forums as others do. I guess I hoped I'd find people like myself who'd understand when I was on a serious search for an answer and try and help me out instead of answer me with sarcasm. I'm not surprised, so thanks for feeding my cynicism.

Yeah, well, plenty of useless threads are made at least once a month about Brand New, so I guess us regulars of the thread were just sick of it at this point, which is why there were the sarcastic answers. And they are usually just trolls, so that's why we assumed your original post was just that. You probably should have made your serious intent more clear. In any matter, it's never good to put down people for age and expect positive, helpful responses from that.
I was looking for more serious discussion like, do fans and bands grow apart? Does that reflect negatively on either party, especially when the connection used to be so strong?

Jesus, use your philosophical mind to contemplate more useful things? Why does it matter? Yes, fans and bands grow apart. Like, uh, I don't listen to A*Teens anymore like I did in 3rd grade because I discovered better music that was better suited for my tastes and maturity as time passed. Why would that reflect negatively? It's not like a relationship or something. You can stop liking certain music simply because you've grown out of it. You are not obilgated.
What does it mean when an entire generation of fans checks out and is replaced by a whole new generation?

This is a vague question and I'm not sure what you're trying to address.

I don't think I stopped liking them because more people liked them. I lost it because they no longer exhibited the things that I loved about them so much, and then I just got confused because all of a sudden, people loved them. Why didn't people love this band already? They'd been around for 7 or 8 years, touring constantly... why the sudden attention? Etc.


Sudden attention? Maybe because you joined AP.net lol. They don't get nearly as much attention outside AP. And maybe Brand New's fanbase has just gotten bigger because more and more people have heard about them throughout the years? I don't know how recently you mean by "recent." You loved the things they sang about on YFW? okay then.

[oddwithoutend]

Ok, some direction.

I still wouldn't say TDAG is "better." More mature, more thought out, sure. More enjoyable, more emotional, I'm not so certain. The only song that gets me pumped is "The Archer's Bows," live too. So, this idea of "jaded," how do you mean?
You're likely desensitized with life. Music doesn't hit you as hard anymore because your life experiences aren't having as much of an impact. Studies show that the music you listen to at the ages of 10 - 13 are likely going to have the most impact on you for the rest of your life.

[IntoTheSun]

I didn't say superior, I said that's what I liked, and though I can appreciate TDAG, I don't understand why it doesn't strike me emotionally as YFW did when I was younger.
And have you changed from when you were younger? Certainly. It just means you no longer feel connected to the music they make.

[Two Headed Girl]

Christopher Walken!? On AP? NICE!

[Scrandon]

[QUOTE=imchriswalken;61471121]Considering that both of you are basically children and of the same generation that got brokencyde and the millionaires on to Warped Tour, and probably haven't heard of half the bands that I was listening to at your age that made everything you enjoy possible, I'm going to discount your apparent rage. You are the reason I feel like I'm in a midlife crisis. Besides, it was a serious goddamn question, although I probably won't be able to take your answers seriously because I already consider you too ignorant to count. The point is, is it as simple as I'm just not into what they're doing and everyone else is, or is the world really getting worse and just happy to latch on to anything that has cred points?

Honestly... maybe you are?

"Well i guess this is growing up"

[imchriswalken]

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Maybe you just don't like it. There's no shame in that at all. Like what you like.

I didn't attack you once in there. I'm actually trying to help you out, man. I was sincerely welcoming you to the site. That was an honest warning that you won't enjoy your time here very much if you make threads like this one.

First, I will say that it's not that I don't "like it." I understand that that may be confusing or contradictory, but I mean it. I do like it, musically, theoretically, technically. It just doesn't impact me at all, not like others, not even like some of my best friends, with whom I share so many tastes. It may be as simple as that, differing tastes, but I feel like it's more, and maybe I'm mistaken.

But I'll also contradict you here, and point you to the fact that I was met with only "OH NOEZ" and other forms of sarcasm. I only referenced my age because it's been such a deciding factor in previous conversations of this nature that I felt like I couldn't avoid it. I also would like to acknowledge your help, though you'll understand if I doubt your sincerity at this moment. Furthermore, it saddens me that this whole website is so populated that I can't posture a question without responses of the sort.

[SophGod]

You're musical taste is inferior to the rest of the world, which is why you don't like TDAG

[IntoTheSun]

First, I will say that it's not that I don't "like it." I understand that that may be confusing or contradictory, but I mean it. I do like it, musically, theoretically, technically. It just doesn't impact me at all, not like others, not even like some of my best friends, with whom I share so many tastes. It may be as simple as that, differing tastes, but I feel like it's more, and maybe I'm mistaken.

This sort of music just doesn't hit you the same way it used to? Why try and justify the apathy? I am no longer emotional impacted by the music I listened to years ago either :shrug: I just don't see the point in dwelling on it. You can't justify your feelings towards certain artists in the same way that you can't justify your love towards a certain girl, and in the end, the justification doesn't matter.

[Brand-new-123]

First, I will say that it's not that I don't "like it." I understand that that may be confusing or contradictory, but I mean it. I do like it, musically, theoretically, technically. It just doesn't impact me at all, not like others, not even like some of my best friends, with whom I share so many tastes. It may be as simple as that, differing tastes, but I feel like it's more, and maybe I'm mistaken.

But I'll also contradict you here, and point you to the fact that I was met with only "OH NOEZ" and other forms of sarcasm. I only referenced my age because it's been such a deciding factor in previous conversations of this nature that I felt like I couldn't avoid it. I also would like to acknowledge your help, though you'll understand if I doubt your sincerity at this moment. Furthermore, it saddens me that this whole website is so populated that I can't posture a question without responses of the sort..

Again I'll say that it's understandable that it didn't impact you that much. It's just an album. It's not like you're missing out on some great transcendent religious experience. There are much much better albums out there than TDAG. Listen to the stuff that you want to listen to.

I wasn't attacking you specifically, it's just that there have been a ton of threads just like this one where somebody tries to ask why they don't enjoy a band or an album, but no one is the same person as the OP, so no one is equipped to answer it. It's not a big deal to most people on this site if you happen to not enjoy something.

[greenteaallday]

Considering that both of you are basically children and of the same generation that got brokencyde and the millionaires on to Warped Tour, and probably haven't heard of half the bands that I was listening to at your age that made everything you enjoy possible, I'm going to discount your apparent rage. You are the reason I feel like I'm in a midlife crisis.

get out of here old man, go buy a motorcycle or something to make you feel better about your midlife crisis

[imchriswalken]

Christopher Walken!? On AP? NICE!

Thanks for noticing, I really liked it as a name. Did you know he prefers to go by "Chris?" Pretty weird, huh?

Yeah, well, plenty of useless threads are made at least once a month about Brand New, so I guess us regulars of the thread were just sick of it at this point, which is why there were the sarcastic answers.

Like, uh, I don't listen to A*Teens anymore like I did in 3rd grade because I discovered better music that was better suited for my tastes and maturity as time passed. Why would that reflect negatively? It's not like a relationship or something. You can stop liking certain music simply because you've grown out of it. You are not obilgated.

Sudden attention? Maybe because you joined AP.net lol. They don't get nearly as much attention outside AP. And maybe Brand New's fanbase has just gotten bigger because more and more people have heard about them throughout the years? I don't know how recently you mean by "recent." You loved the things they sang about on YFW? okay then.

You basically explained away your sarcasm, then used more sarcasm, and then said lol. I never listened to the A*teens. My point is, I never listened to anything I didn't LOVE. It may have been old cartoon soundtracks when I was a kid, or certain bands and movie soundtracks as a teen, but that stuff ruled my life. I've always fallen for whatever pleased my ears. That's why I don't understand this thing with Brand New. TDAG is very pleasing to the ears, but I just don't care for it. I don't feel like I've grown OUT of it, just that it doesn't have the energy is used to. To me, it doesn't have the power of their older material, and I'm just wondering if anybody feels the same way or can offer an explanation why.

Also, any attention Brand New received in the last 9 years seems sudden to me, so please don't be picky.

You're likely desensitized with life. Music doesn't hit you as hard anymore because your life experiences aren't having as much of an impact. Studies show that the music you listen to at the ages of 10 - 13 are likely going to have the most impact on you for the rest of your life.

And have you changed from when you were younger? Certainly. It just means you no longer feel connected to the music they make.

Ok, something I had been considering but hoping wasn't the case. How depressing would it be to not love any music ever as much as you did the bands when you were a pre-teen? Still, the most viable answer so far. I just hope it isn't true. I've always loved music with the same passion and will swear that as truth, but I figure as I get older and wiser that that passion will be stronger because it is continually further based in musical knowledge as opposed to blind hormones. Thoughts?


By the way, I'm only 23, so forgive me my sarcasm as to age gaps. I meant what I said about it being a factor in previous conversations and it's really been bothering me lately that as few as 3 or 4 years could make such a difference.

[IntoTheSun]

Ok, something I had been considering but hoping wasn't the case. How depressing would it be to not love any music ever as much as you did the bands when you were a pre-teen? Still, the most viable answer so far. I just hope it isn't true. I've always loved music with the same passion and will swear that as truth, but I figure as I get older and wiser that that passion will be stronger because it is continually further based in musical knowledge as opposed to blind hormones. Thoughts?

There's a difference. You can not love the same music as you did when you were a preteen, but you can still love music as much as you did when you a preteen. It just means you love different music. It certainly isn't all or nothing.

And sorry about the sarcasm. I realized I should have toned it down a bit after re-reading that post.

[imchriswalken]

"Well i guess this is growing up"

Haha, I like that someone younger than I am is quoting a lyric from when I was in elementary school. No offense, I'm just appreciating the irony. You're right, as well.

You're musical taste is inferior to the rest of the world, which is why you don't like TDAG

get out of here old man, go buy a motorcycle or something to make you feel better about your midlife crisis

Sarcasm aside, this is basically the mentality I wanted to address in the first place.

(I'm barely 6 years older than you are and embarrassed to be associated with you).

.

Again I'll say that it's understandable that it didn't impact you that much. It's just an album. It's not like you're missing out on some great transcendent religious experience. There are much much better albums out there than TDAG. Listen to the stuff that you want to listen to.

I wasn't attacking you specifically, it's just that there have been a ton of threads just like this one where somebody tries to ask why they don't enjoy a band or an album, but no one is the same person as the OP, so no one is equipped to answer it. It's not a big deal to most people on this site if you happen to not enjoy something.

I agree, but what I'm saying is... their previous albums were that kind of experience, so why is this one such an experience to others and not to me, when I'd already been a fan and others are just tuning in?

Also, I agree with the whole "original poster vs. reply poster," which is why I was looking for an external differing/affirming opinion, and so disappointed at blatant sarcasm. It's improved with further posts, but still, you can understand my despair at trying to enter this community based solely on this experience.

This sort of music just doesn't hit you the same way it used to? Why try and justify the apathy? I am no longer emotional impacted by the music I listened to years ago either :shrug: I just don't see the point in dwelling on it. You can't justify your feelings towards certain artists in the same way that you can't justify your love towards a certain girl, and in the end, the justification doesn't matter.

I feel like that's a pretty bold statement from someone so young (I didn't understand that sentiment until a few years later). The thing is, while my external circumstances were readily identifiable, my criteria for enjoying a band has, at least to me (and consciously), remained fairly consistent over the years. This is why I'm confused by this situation:

I honestly believe I should enjoy this album based on its own merits, but I really can't. As GOOD as it really is, it just bores me. That's completely different from releases that are SUPPOSED to be GREAT but are simply boring. This really IS good, but doesn't hold any interest for me at all.

There's a difference. You can not love the same music as you did when you were a preteen, but you can still love music as much as you did when you a preteen. It just means you love different music. It certainly isn't all or nothing.

And sorry about the sarcasm. I realized I should have toned it down a bit after re-reading that post.

Thanks for being reasonable, please appreciate my sincerity when I say I mean that. But to me, it seems like I'm loving fewer and fewer bands than I used to, and loving the bands I used to less. I guess it's just a big deal when I can go from saying I unequivocally love a certain band to not being able to say that I enjoy that band anymore. I don't know if you guys read the story about the beer bottle being thrown at the Brand New show, but I was there. That's when I stopped being able to say that I liked them. That's what bothers me. To me, the potential for passion is the same, but nobody is fulfilling it anymore, even bands that used to do so. And only being my age, I really hope it's not just getting older, because that would mean it gets worse from here, and... man, that sucks.

[Schmidty Says]

I used to love Brand New about 7 years ago, and I'll admit that "The Devil And God" is a solid album, but... I honestly couldn't care less. I'm not even sure if Daisy actually came out or not. Why don't they matter to me anymore?
Don't feel too bad. I can't get in to The Devil and God... either. Your Favorite Weapon and Deja Entendu were stellar records, but there's just something completely unappealing about The Devil and God to me. As much as I try to listen and really like it, I just can't. I do, however, love Daisy.

[imchriswalken]

Don't feel too bad. I can't get in to The Devil and God... either. Your Favorite Weapon and Deja Entendu were stellar records, but there's just something completely unappealing about The Devil and God to me. As much as I try to listen and really like it, I just can't. I do, however, love Daisy.

OMG, exactly the sort of response I was looking for, and close to my age. Shocking. (sorry previous posters, slightly kidding)

You know, I might actually try Daisy now. Thanks.

[SophGod]

Haha, I like that someone younger than I am is quoting a lyric from when I was in elementary school. No offense, I'm just appreciating the irony. You're right, as well.





Sarcasm aside, this is basically the mentality I wanted to address in the first place.

(I'm barely 6 years older than you are and embarrassed to be associated with you).



I agree, but what I'm saying is... their previous albums were that kind of experience, so why is this one such an experience to others and not to me, when I'd already been a fan and others are just tuning in?

Also, I agree with the whole "original poster vs. reply poster," which is why I was looking for an external differing/affirming opinion, and so disappointed at blatant sarcasm. It's improved with further posts, but still, you can understand my despair at trying to enter this community based solely on this experience.



I feel like that's a pretty bold statement from someone so young (I didn't understand that sentiment until a few years later). The thing is, while my external circumstances were readily identifiable, my criteria for enjoying a band has, at least to me (and consciously), remained fairly consistent over the years. This is why I'm confused by this situation:

I honestly believe I should enjoy this album based on its own merits, but I really can't. As GOOD as it really is, it just bores me. That's completely different from releases that are SUPPOSED to be GREAT but are simply boring. This really IS good, but doesn't hold any interest for me at all.



Thanks for being reasonable, please appreciate my sincerity when I say I mean that. But to me, it seems like I'm loving fewer and fewer bands than I used to, and loving the bands I used to less. I guess it's just a big deal when I can go from saying I unequivocally love a certain band to not being able to say that I enjoy that band anymore. I don't know if you guys read the story about the beer bottle being thrown at the Brand New show, but I was there. That's when I stopped being able to say that I liked them. That's what bothers me. To me, the potential for passion is the same, but nobody is fulfilling it anymore, even bands that used to do so. And only being my age, I really hope it's not just getting older, because that would mean it gets worse from here, and... man, that sucks.

You talk about age too much. And I don't know why.

[imchriswalken]

You talk about age too much. And I don't know why.

Because people your age make me feel old (and I don't know why). :)

[IntoTheSun]

OMG, exactly the sort of response I was looking for, and close to my age. Shocking. (sorry previous posters, slightly kidding)

You know, I might actually try Daisy now. Thanks.

Oh, so you were just looking for someone to AGREE with you, and not an actual explanation. Great.

[IntoTheSun]

You talk about age too much. And I don't know why.

Every one of his posts are annoyingly condescending.

[roughroads]

You've grown up and can no longer connect with the problems and situations in Brand New's Lyrics.

[Schmidty Says]

OMG, exactly the sort of response I was looking for, and close to my age. Shocking. (sorry previous posters, slightly kidding)

You know, I might actually try Daisy now. Thanks.
Haha glad I could help you out. You mentioned that you thought TDAG was a boring album, and I feel the exact same way. The only song I really like from that album is "Jesus Christ." Nothing else on TDAG stands out to me, and it's the only song that hit me emotionally. Daisy, to me at least, takes the emotion from "Jesus Christ" and the energy of YFW/DE and combines them to make a damn good album. Daisy was one of maybe 5 albums released last year that I can listen to beginning to end and not skip one song.

And I won't talk shit on you if you don't like Daisy, or any other album for that matter. In reality, it's just one out of millions of albums readily available.

[greenteaallday]

make me feel old (and I don't know why). :)

probably because your a dooshbag, and rejected by your peers : )

[imchriswalken]

probably because your a dooshbag, and rejected by your peers : )

Fail. I won't even mention why. Though I will agree to the fact that when I started listening to Brand New, they were playing dive bars and pizza restaurants, so you might be pretty accurate with the rejected by peers bit. Thanks, though.

Every one of his posts are annoyingly condescending.

Oh, so you were just looking for someone to AGREE with you, and not an actual explanation. Great.

Says the people who responded to the honest question with the overwhelming sarcasm (and therefore no shred of respect for a fellow person). I only got a 660 on my verbal SATs, so I'm sorry if I came across as condescending; I didn't think it was possible. I simply assumed you were on the same level as I am and coming from the same place I was as someone who loves music. For an explanation of what I mean, please read below:

Haha glad I could help you out. You mentioned that you thought TDAG was a boring album, and I feel the exact same way. The only song I really like from that album is "Jesus Christ." Nothing else on TDAG stands out to me, and it's the only song that hit me emotionally. Daisy, to me at least, takes the emotion from "Jesus Christ" and the energy of YFW/DE and combines them to make a damn good album. Daisy was one of maybe 5 albums released last year that I can listen to beginning to end and not skip one song.

And I won't talk shit on you if you don't like Daisy, or any other album for that matter. In reality, it's just one out of millions of albums readily available.

Thank you for providing me with what you actually thought as opposed to something in the vein of "OH NOES YOU DONT LIKEZ BN POZER." Actually, I feel that same way, except I like "Jesus Christ," Archer's Bows," and "Handcuffs." The rest just doesn't do anything for me, even though my musical training allows me to appreciate its quality. The fact that someone who understands my dilemma can appreciate "Daisy" in spite of our previous feelings inspires me to believe that I might be able to do the same, as opposed to someone who'd rather argue with me on a message board.

So I'm actually in RI for a couple of weeks and I've never been to Pittsburgh and one of my best friends is there, maybe we can hang out? Heh.

You've grown up and can no longer connect with the problems and situations in Brand New's Lyrics.

I've really been trying to resist this idea, so maybe it's just me (I don't want to get old). Then again, I really don't think it's just the lyrics; it's more the energy they put out. It used to be fun, now it's just... I dunno. Not fun.

[IntoTheSun]

Says the people who responded to the honest question with the overwhelming sarcasm (and therefore no shred of respect for a fellow person). I only got a 660 on my verbal SATs, so I'm sorry if I came across as condescending; I didn't think it was possible. I simply assumed you were on the same level as I am and coming from the same place I was as someone who loves music. For an explanation of what I mean, please read below:

I was simply pointing out your hypocrisy. You get so offended when people make digging remarks, yet you do the same in your posts. SAT scores are completely irrelevant. And I was bothered by the fact that you wanted so much thought and effort put into any opposing answer, yet you disregard everything said for the first poster that agrees with you without any reasoning.

Thank you for providing me with what you actually thought as opposed to something in the vein of "OH NOES YOU DONT LIKEZ BN POZER."

Thatis not what anyone said or was implying. Read carefully.

[Richard Maxim]

I've never really cared for anything they ever did. Plus Lacey seems like a real douche.

There is a god, I just don't get these people. I really want to but i don't.

[Brand-new-123]

I was simply pointing out your hypocrisy. You get so offended when people make digging remarks, yet you do the same in your posts. SAT scores are completely irrelevant. And I was bothered by the fact that you wanted so much thought and effort put into any opposing answer, yet you disregard everything said for the first poster that agrees with you without any reasoning.



Thatis not what anyone said or was implying. Read carefully.
You're just being sarcastic and cruel. There's no way you can understand the amount of sorrow we caused Chris throughout this thread. All he wanted was a simple and honest answer but all he got was indignant sarcasm. You yunguns need to grow up and learn some empathy. We hurt this poor man deeply. Why can't you just understand that?

[Schmidty Says]

Fail. I won't even mention why. Though I will agree to the fact that when I started listening to Brand New, they were playing dive bars and pizza restaurants, so you might be pretty accurate with the rejected by peers bit. Thanks, though.





Says the people who responded to the honest question with the overwhelming sarcasm (and therefore no shred of respect for a fellow person). I only got a 660 on my verbal SATs, so I'm sorry if I came across as condescending; I didn't think it was possible. I simply assumed you were on the same level as I am and coming from the same place I was as someone who loves music. For an explanation of what I mean, please read below:



Thank you for providing me with what you actually thought as opposed to something in the vein of "OH NOES YOU DONT LIKEZ BN POZER." Actually, I feel that same way, except I like "Jesus Christ," Archer's Bows," and "Handcuffs." The rest just doesn't do anything for me, even though my musical training allows me to appreciate its quality. The fact that someone who understands my dilemma can appreciate "Daisy" in spite of our previous feelings inspires me to believe that I might be able to do the same, as opposed to someone who'd rather argue with me on a message board.

So I'm actually in RI for a couple of weeks and I've never been to Pittsburgh and one of my best friends is there, maybe we can hang out? Heh.



I've really been trying to resist this idea, so maybe it's just me (I don't want to get old). Then again, I really don't think it's just the lyrics; it's more the energy they put out. It used to be fun, now it's just... I dunno. Not fun.
Don't you just love the people on message boards? They act like the things they say on the internet actually matter. The only person that truly matters on this website is Jason Tate, and that's because it's his website.

Anyway...if you don't wanna check out Daisy as a whole, I'd definitely check out "Vices," "At The Bottom," "Gasoline," "Bought A Bride," and "Daisy." The title track is my favorite on the album, the composition is beautiful, and the spoken word samples add so much to the beauty of the song, especially after the first verse when the child speaks.

Yeah dude, if you're ever in Pittsburgh, let me know. My schedule is kinda hectic between work and school, but I can skip one or the other haha.

[GeeBee]

There is a god, I just don't get these people. I really want to but i don't.

Seriously. I've tried. I've forced myself to listen to it. It's a huge mystery to me. I don't get it. It's just not good.

[anthonydarko]

Taste changes over time, it's just life, nothing to get upset or angry over.

[Schmidty Says]

I was simply pointing out your hypocrisy. You get so offended when people make digging remarks, yet you do the same in your posts. SAT scores are completely irrelevant. And I was bothered by the fact that you wanted so much thought and effort put into any opposing answer, yet you disregard everything said for the first poster that agrees with you without any reasoning.



Thatis not what anyone said or was implying. Read carefully.
For someone telling someone else to read carefully, you obviously didn't read my posts carefully. Yes, I was the first person to agree with him, and I did give reasons. So sorry I didn't explain it thoroughly enough in my first post. I thought it was an extremely boring album, and still do after multiple listens.

[imchriswalken]

Seriously. I've tried. I've forced myself to listen to it. It's a huge mystery to me. I don't get it. It's just not good.

For someone telling someone else to read carefully, you obviously didn't read my posts carefully. Yes, I was the first person to agree with him, and I did give reasons. So sorry I didn't explain it thoroughly enough in my first post. I thought it was an extremely boring album, and still do after multiple listens.

Don't you just love the people on message boards? They act like the things they say on the internet actually matter. The only person that truly matters on this website is Jason Tate, and that's because it's his website.

Anyway...if you don't wanna check out Daisy as a whole, I'd definitely check out "Vices," "At The Bottom," "Gasoline," "Bought A Bride," and "Daisy." The title track is my favorite on the album, the composition is beautiful, and the spoken word samples add so much to the beauty of the song, especially after the first verse when the child speaks.

Yeah dude, if you're ever in Pittsburgh, let me know. My schedule is kinda hectic between work and school, but I can skip one or the other haha.

You're just being sarcastic and cruel. There's no way you can understand the amount of sorrow we caused Chris throughout this thread. All he wanted was a simple and honest answer but all he got was indignant sarcasm. You yunguns need to grow up and learn some empathy. We hurt this poor man deeply. Why can't you just understand that?


I like you peoples.

You're just being sarcastic and cruel. There's no way you can understand the amount of sorrow we caused Chris throughout this thread. All he wanted was a simple and honest answer but all he got was indignant sarcasm. You yunguns need to grow up and learn some empathy. We hurt this poor man deeply. Why can't you just understand that?

Touche, db.

You make me want to stab something repeatedly with a dull, rusty knife.

WAHHH I don't like this band anymore! Therefore, everyone who listens to them must be sheep and want cred!

Your first posts.

I was simply pointing out your hypocrisy. You get so offended when people make digging remarks, yet you do the same in your posts. SAT scores are completely irrelevant. And I was bothered by the fact that you wanted so much thought and effort put into any opposing answer, yet you disregard everything said for the first poster that agrees with you without any reasoning.



Thatis not what anyone said or was implying. Read carefully.

Thus, I was already on the defensive. Schmidty Says (http://www.absolutepunk.net/member.php?u=192334) actually gave a RELATED opinion as opposed to "you make want to cut myself" or whatever. That's why there was no resistance. If you had said, "I don't care for YFW or DE, but I really loved TDAG because it was such and such," I might've "read more carefully." As it stands, I have my answer: at my earliest convenience, I will try "Daisy," and I will do my best to not have any preconceptions, despite all of the responses I've read this evening.

So yeah, I'm done. And just to fuel the controversy, my top three albums (that I actually enjoyed) for 2009:

1. Tie: Small Towns Burn A Little Slower "So Begins The Test Of A Man" and HORSE the band "Desperate Living"

2. Paramore "brand new eyes"

3. Between The Buried And Me "The Great Misdirect"


whooooo

[IntoTheSun]

You're just being sarcastic and cruel. There's no way you can understand the amount of sorrow we caused Chris throughout this thread. All he wanted was a simple and honest answer but all he got was indignant sarcasm. You yunguns need to grow up and learn some empathy. We hurt this poor man deeply. Why can't you just understand that?

<3

[roughroads]

I've really been trying to resist this idea, so maybe it's just me (I don't want to get old). Then again, I really don't think it's just the lyrics; it's more the energy they put out. It used to be fun, now it's just... I dunno. Not fun.
No one want's to get old dude, you have to face it though. Maybe the energy thing your talking about is their teen angst that you can no longer connect to?
Either way, fans can (and often will) grow out of bands, and you're loss of interest is probably just "personal growth". It's no different from not liking a band for the longest time then out of nowhere enjoying them (Me and Thrice).

[Smeee]

I feel the same way about Deja Entendu. Love TDAG to pieces.

[Brand-new-123]

<3
Well, duh.

[IntoTheSun]

Well, duh.

Don't give me that sort of attitude, boy. Your post count isn't nearly big enough for that big of an ego :-p

[Brand-new-123]

Don't give me that sort of attitude, boy. Your post count isn't nearly big enough for that big of an ego :-p
You already offered to marry me months ago. Post count is just a number like age, distance, and money.

[Mibabalou]

i like brand new

[IntoTheSun]

You already offered to marry me months ago. Post count is just a number like age, distance, and money.

Are you implying that you're a poor and old pedophile who lives in Brazil? Oh my. I'm not sure how Samantha would feel about that.

[DejaNew]

Fair enough, but I feel like it's more than that. Last time I went to see them live, I was just disappointed. All the shows up to and including the Deja Entendu tour were incredible, and then when I saw them a couple of years ago, I was struck with how much better Thrice was, because they seemed like they were actually having fun. Their music just seems like it doesn't have any heart anymore? I'm sure no one agrees, but I'm looking for a solid explanation why, not "OMG I WAS BORN YESTERDAY AND AP.NET SEYZ THEIR AWSOME SO I AGREEEEEE" kthx.

Agreed on the bolded.
Sadly, you look like an idiot complaining about why you don't like a band anymore. It's simple. They're not sonically pleasing to you anymore. Besides, how would some random person you've never met know why you don't like a band anymore? You're the only one that truly knows.

[Brand-new-123]

Are you implying that you're a poor and old pedophile who lives in Brazil? Take it as you will.
Oh my. I'm not sure how Samantha would feel about that.
I know that she wouldn't be happy. She's very possessive and 14

[xtheaudition]

brand new is still ace imo. and i only own and listen to their first 3 albums.

[BryterJonah]

AP.net is just some website. It means nothing in the real world.

The real world. That's where you form your identity, solidify your tastes.

Nothing anybody says on here is worth anything.

:snoopy:

[wall e]

What do you want us to say, it's your opinion. You really can't figure this out yourself?

[BryterJonah]

What do you want us to say, it's your opinion. You really can't figure this out yourself?

Know how you've been bugging me with tips on making home made egg noodles? Well here's a site that'll help you out!

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Egg-Noodles
:snoopy:

[SophGod]

AP.net is just some website. It means nothing in the real world.

The real world. That's where you form your identity, solidify your tastes.

Nothing anybody says on here is worth anything.

:snoopy:

Jersey Shore > The Real World


but both pretty much suck.

[wall e]

Know how you've been bugging me with tips on making home made egg noodles? Well here's a site that'll help you out!

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Egg-Noodles

:snoopy:



Oh thank god, you're a life saver.

[murrich]

Maybe you should just listen to some new music instead of pondering why you don't like certain albums?

[kearn1tm]

Why am I not attracted to twelve year old girls anymore?

You saw the eleven year old ones?

[oddwithoutend]

You saw the eleven year old ones?
At least Todd gets it.

[IntoTheSun]

:-0

[kbi the crowing]

I used to love Brand New about 7 years ago, and I'll admit that "The Devil And God" is a solid album, but... I honestly couldn't care less. I'm not even sure if Daisy actually came out or not. Why don't they matter to me anymore?

because you're human and you change
don't swell, move on

[Maiaophilia]

I used to love Brand New about 7 years ago, and I'll admit that "The Devil And God" is a solid album, but... I honestly couldn't care less. I'm not even sure if Daisy actually came out or not. Why don't they matter to me anymore?

I actually agree.
Deja and YFW.

Devils and Gods is solid. - I do like some songs off it.
But nothing hits home like YFW

[Scrandon]

I like you peoples.
whooooo

Maybe you think Brand new needs more Cowbell

(sorry I had to)

[cshadows2887]

Why are you complaining yourself? You can't comprehend why you don't like a band anymore...? Why are you asking us?

No, that would be the people who are 12-15 right now. What does listening to bands you do have to do with anything?

Yes. Blame people on the internet for your troubles.

It's hard to take it seriously when there's no way to answer it. And there are millions of pointless Brand New threads already. We didnt need another one. Also, you posed the same question in the Brand New thread already.

You really think I wanted to stab something repeatedly with a rusty knife?

Yeah, that's exactly why I listen to Brand New, for cred. Because like, you get so much respect and shit from other people. Wow.

How to Own Someone Who Makes Idiotic Posts 101. Taught by Prof. Huang P.h.d. Meets 10pm-12am on Wednesdays in Room Stupid Thread.

Considering that both of you are basically children and of the same generation that got brokencyde and the millionaires on to Warped Tour, and probably haven't heard of half the bands that I was listening to at your age that made everything you enjoy possible, I'm going to discount your apparent rage.

Wow. You're a douche. I'm only a few months younger than you and I can still learn to love new music. Back to the drawing board...

[theguy77]

Considering that both of you are basically children and of the same generation that got brokencyde and the millionaires on to Warped Tour, and probably haven't heard of half the bands that I was listening to at your age that made everything you enjoy possible, I'm going to discount your apparent rage. You are the reason I feel like I'm in a midlife crisis. Besides, it was a serious goddamn question, although I probably won't be able to take your answers seriously because I already consider you too ignorant to count. The point is, is it as simple as I'm just not into what they're doing and everyone else is, or is the world really getting worse and just happy to latch on to anything that has cred points?

wow, are you really that much of an idiot? i was gonna at least try to take you seriously until i saw this stupid post.

[cshadows2887]

wow, are you really that much of an idiot?

Wow. We kind of had a same-brain moment. High five?

[theguy77]

Wow. We kind of had a same-brain moment. High five?

:highfive:

[theguy77]

You saw the eleven year old ones?

hahahahahahahaha

[Paulb-182]

There is no reason by my comprehension why anyone couldn't like The Devil And God. It's perfect.

[muchoawesomeo]

I'm looking for a solid explanation why, not "OMG I WAS BORN YESTERDAY AND AP.NET SEYZ THEIR AWSOME SO I AGREEEEEE" kthx.

you might be the only person
on this site i like.

[muchoawesomeo]

i like brand new
die of gonorrhea and rot in hell.

[Richard Maxim]

Seriously. I've tried. I've forced myself to listen to it. It's a huge mystery to me. I don't get it. It's just not good.

Same here with no luck, Listened over and over again, nothing.

[zonto]

Oh, so you can tell TDAG is better? Then the answer is simple; it's because you're jaded.

Ok, some direction.

I still wouldn't say TDAG is "better." More mature, more thought out, sure. More enjoyable, more emotional, I'm not so certain. The only song that gets me pumped is "The Archer's Bows," live too. So, this idea of "jaded," how do you mean?

Jaded. Stupid and reckless. Not sorry. But he'll never forget [those] years, no he'll never forget [those] years. :emotear:

[zonto]

Maybe you think Brand new needs more Cowbell

(sorry I had to)

They put their pants on the same way as us every morning. Except when they do they make GOLD RECORDS!

And by gold I don't necessarily mean they sell a lot of copies, I mean that everything Jesse Lacey touches turns to gold.

[zonto]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_U6QzkNLzC1I/Sx6bHtC3cHI/AAAAAAAAALA/3LO72U9PX1M/s320/devil%2Band%2Bangel%2Bhomer2.jpg
http://s3.images.com/huge.23.116377.JPG

[Macbeth.]

Worst thread. I should post everytime I find something I don't like so that I can validate that other people don't like it as well...or I could go ahead and just NOT LIKE IT. Lose your username information

[Yellowcard2006]

More importantly: try to find out why you think we care.

[Broclee]

I agree, but what I'm saying is... their previous albums were that kind of experience, so why is this one such an experience to others and not to me, when I'd already been a fan and others are just tuning in?

This is the only thing I care about.

You feel like you deserve that experience. You didn't get it. Now you're trying to justify that by acting elitist towards younger people who enjoy it.

[golferpunk1]

To answer the original question...

The probable reason you don't like the album is because it is pretentious garbage which is unfortunately what BN has turned into these days.

[bladerdude360]

Cool story.

[jmo182]

when i first started listening to it, one of the biggest douchebags i know basically fell in love with it. this made me like it way less. i know thats a ridiculous reason but oh well.

[aoftbsten]

If only there was already a thread concerning Brand New already... or 18 of them for that matter....

[IntoTheSun]

hahahahahahahaha

This is just a chain of laughter. I just laughed at you laughing...or something.

How to Own Someone Who Makes Idiotic Posts 101. Taught by Prof. Huang P.h.d. Meets 10pm-12am on Wednesdays in Room Stupid Thread.

OP is unbearably contradictory and annoying.

[GeeBee]

Worst thread. I should post everytime I find something I don't like so that I can validate that other people don't like it as well...or I could go ahead and just NOT LIKE IT. Lose your username information

You say as you type a post about how you hate threads like this...

[GeeBee]

To answer the original question...

The probable reason you don't like the album is because it is pretentious garbage which is unfortunately what BN has turned into these days.

Says the Mormon kid.

[golferpunk1]

Says the Mormon kid.
wow. Are you serious? You're going to attack me because of my religion? pathetic

[Brand-new-123]

wow. Are you serious? You're going to attack me because of my religion? pathetic
That's what he does. Plus, I'm pretty sure it was a joke.

[xapplexpiex]

Dude, everybody's different. For example, a ton of people on this site love All Time Low. I don't. Their lyrics just ruin it for me. But My Chemical Romance is one of my favorite bands, and they get a lot of shit. They are for me what Blink-182 is to many people; they got me into music. So if everyone liked the same music, or if everyone is supposed to, then there would only be one band in the world that would make music that everyone would like. But obviously, this is reality.

[DanPiazza]

guyz i leik brand new.

[Macbeth.]

You say as you type a post about how you hate threads like this...

clever

[jbertclassic]

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/i-see-what-you-did-there/1/i_see_what_you_did_there.jpg

[azzyazzhole41]

*sigh*. i clicked on this hoping to find some intelligent discussions about one of my favorite albums but then i remembered this is the internet.

[xJesusFreakx]

To answer the original question...

The probable reason you don't like the album is because it is pretentious garbage which is unfortunately what BN has turned into these days.

If you think Brand New is "pretentious," your understanding of that word is probably really skewed.

[GeeBee]

If you think Brand New is "pretentious," your understanding of that word is probably really skewed.

Says the pretentious Christian....

[GeeBee]

*sigh*. i clicked on this hoping to find some intelligent discussions about one of my favorite albums but then i remembered this is the internet.

Says the guy hoping to find intelligent discussions on the internet...

[GeeBee]

wow. Are you serious? You're going to attack me because of my religion? pathetic

Dude, I was kidding.

But that being said, mormonism is pretty wack.

But I love you. And MXPX.

[IntoTheSun]

Says the pretentious Christian....

Says the guy who fails to multiquote...

[xJesusFreakx]

Says the pretentious Christian....

ily.

[GeeBee]

Says the guy who fails to multiquote...

Says the girl who fails to hyphenate multi-quote...

(Isn't it awesome how you can just type "Says the person who [enter whatever you want here][follow it with an ellipsis]" and it's automatically degrading to the preceding poster?)

[GeeBee]

ily.

You know you're my favorite one. I'm just joshin' ya.

[azzyazzhole41]

Says the guy hoping to find intelligent discussions on the internet...

haha i know right? what a jackass...