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xapplexpiex
02/08/10, 10:24 AM
Pick your favorite.
Mine:
NFG > Relient K > ATL
If it is pop. It is not punk.
xapplexpiex
02/08/10, 10:26 AM
If it is pop. It is not punk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_punk
wikipedia can be edited by a retard.
xapplexpiex
02/08/10, 10:34 AM
It's called pop punk because they're not straight up pop. The bands' songs usually have a "punk" sound too them. For example, New Found Glory (especially their earlier stuff) is heavier than most "pop" bands or artists you'll hear on a top 40 radio station.
If they had a "punk" sound they wouldn't be pop. Its just a genre the labels made up to market rebellion.
xapplexpiex
02/08/10, 10:44 AM
If they had a "punk" sound they wouldn't be pop. Its just a genre the labels made up to market rebellion.
You're exactly right: it is just a label. People argue all the time over what genre to label what band. But the majority of people that listen to these three bands give that label to them, even if you would like to name them "punk". It's sort of like seeing the movie (500) Days of Summer. Some people said it's a comedy, some said a romance movie, so people just call it a "romantic comedy" to make everybody happy. But some people even disagree with that label. So...you can't please everybody all the time :shrug:
fake empire
02/08/10, 10:48 AM
If they had a "punk" sound they wouldn't be pop. Its just a genre the labels made up to market rebellion.
Ramones took 60s pop songs and made them punk. Just sayin'.
True. But Punk is the antithesis of pop. Its like saying something has a dark shade of bright white.
georgedcc
02/08/10, 10:53 AM
True. But Punk is the antithesis of pop. Its like saying something has a dark shade of bright white.
I wouldn't say punk is the antithesis of pop. The Clash had some fantastically poppy songs, and yet they were still punk. As did The Ramones, NOFX, Bad Religion, The Descendents, The Dead Kennedys, Adolescents etc...
Punk was created as an alternative to popular music. Bands such as the clash (post london calling) & Bad religion never really wrote punk music. It was just rock music with Political subject matter. The descendents and adolescents weren't really punk at all,they just got the label because they played "punk" venues,musically they were no different to greenday,they just didn't make it big. As for NOFX well i can give you several reasons why they aren't punk. I'm yet to hear any DK track that is poppy. As for the ramones,they thought they were writing pop music. They just got labelled punk by the industry.
MickShamrock
02/08/10, 11:08 AM
I don't like any of the bands listed.
TerrancePryor
02/08/10, 11:10 AM
Title Fight
HometownHero
02/08/10, 11:11 AM
This thread is full of fail
fake empire
02/08/10, 11:15 AM
Punk was created as an alternative to popular music. Bands such as the clash (post london calling) & Bad religion never really wrote punk music. It was just rock music with Political subject matter. The descendents and adolescents weren't really punk at all,they just got the label because they played "punk" venues,musically they were no different to greenday,they just didn't make it big. As for NOFX well i can give you several reasons why they aren't punk. I'm yet to hear any DK track that is poppy. As for the ramones,they thought they were writing pop music. They just got labelled punk by the industry.
So you're saying the Ramones aren't a real punk band?
georgedcc
02/08/10, 11:17 AM
Punk was created as an alternative to popular music. Bands such as the clash (post london calling) & Bad religion never really wrote punk music. It was just rock music with Political subject matter. The descendents and adolescents weren't really punk at all,they just got the label because they played "punk" venues,musically they were no different to greenday,they just didn't make it big. As for NOFX well i can give you several reasons why they aren't punk. I'm yet to hear any DK track that is poppy. As for the ramones,they thought they were writing pop music. They just got labelled punk by the industry.
I'd say The Clash pre London Calling were quite poppy. Tracks like Rudie Can't Fail, Jimmy Jazz, Death Or Glory, London Calling, White Riot, I Fought The Law and so on are very poppy. Dead Kennedys also had a few poppy songs, Holiday In Cambodia, California Ubber Alles, Pull My Strings, MTV get off the air and Soup is good food. I don't want to debate the who is or isn't punk thing because it goes on too long, but I'd say you were in the minority if you don't think Bad Religion, NOFX, Descendents and Adolescents aren't punk music.
FueledByRock
02/08/10, 12:02 PM
New Found Glory, easily.
TangledUp
02/08/10, 12:05 PM
I hate All Time Low. Haven't heard much of Relient K, but I know they're decent. I really like NFG -- they were the obvious answer.
NateFoundGlory
02/08/10, 12:42 PM
Please don't argue with that tool.
And if I had to pick, it'd go: NFG > Relient K > ATL
EvilZeppelin
02/08/10, 01:08 PM
NFG is the only pop/punk band in the polls.
Relient k>ATL>NFG
NFG would be higher but I really, really disliked Not Without A Fight. You can tell the songs were written to sell.
Really, the only band out of these that hasn't worsened with age is Relient k.
fishguts182
02/08/10, 01:56 PM
Nfg
I'd say The Clash pre London Calling were quite poppy. Tracks like Rudie Can't Fail, Jimmy Jazz, Death Or Glory, London Calling, White Riot, I Fought The Law and so on are very poppy. Dead Kennedys also had a few poppy songs, Holiday In Cambodia, California Ubber Alles, Pull My Strings, MTV get off the air and Soup is good food. I don't want to debate the who is or isn't punk thing because it goes on too long, but I'd say you were in the minority if you don't think Bad Religion, NOFX, Descendents and Adolescents aren't punk music.
I'm in the minority with most of my opinions lol. I like you though friend you have an open mind. Respect.
So you're saying the Ramones aren't a real punk band?
Nope. A good band yes. A punk band. No.
Please don't argue with that tool.
And if I had to pick, it'd go: NFG > Relient K > ATL
This coming from someone that likes new New found glory.Not Punk.
TangledUp
02/08/10, 02:18 PM
Relient k>ATL>NFG
NFG would be higher but I really, really disliked Not Without A Fight. You can tell the songs were written to sell.
Really, the only band out of these that hasn't worsened with age is Relient k.
I don't listen to them so I wouldn't know, but my best friend has been a Relient K fan since they started and she really hated their newest album. :shrug:
BigG1392
02/08/10, 02:29 PM
New Found Glory > All Time Low > Relient K
Although I haven't really listened to much Relient K so they get last by default.
golferpunk1
02/08/10, 02:36 PM
NFG>Relient K>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ATL
xJesusFreakx
02/08/10, 02:36 PM
Relient K, and this is why:
http://laptopsessions.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/forgetandnotslowdown.jpg
(Yeah, this isn't really a pop punk album, but if you really want to nitpick, replace that with Mmhmm. Either way, they win.)
If it is pop. Its its not punk.
fake empire
02/08/10, 02:42 PM
Nope. A good band yes. A punk band. No.
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on this site hahaha.
And that's saying a lot.
ThemChains
02/08/10, 02:43 PM
If it is pop. It is not punk.
You're officially an idiot. Also, none of those bands can be validated as pop punk.
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on this site hahaha.
And that's saying a lot.
I agree.99% of the stuff on on this site is stupid.
stonecoldfox
02/08/10, 02:47 PM
new found glory by a landslide
If only they were trapped under a landslide. One of the worst bands i have ever heard in my life. And i have heard a lot of shit bands.
CaptainGnarGnar
02/08/10, 03:08 PM
If only they were trapped under a landslide. One of the worst bands i have ever heard in my life. And i have heard a lot of shit bands.
All this coming from a kid who has the email Anarcho_juggalo ....and hes trying to tell people what good music is? LAWLZ
Relient K, and this is why:
http://laptopsessions.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/forgetandnotslowdown.jpg
(Yeah, this isn't really a pop punk album, but if you really want to nitpick, replace that with Mmhmm. Either way, they win.)
This is what I was talking about. I love the direction they took it in. Not pop punk, so i don't know what whoever made this thread was thinking, but really good music.
Juggalo's are punk. You are not.
brothaman
02/08/10, 03:13 PM
Relient k>ATL>NFG
NFG would be higher but I really, really disliked Not Without A Fight. You can tell the songs were written to sell.
Really, the only band out of these that hasn't worsened with age is Relient k.
agree with you about not without a fight. it seemed REALY REALLY forced, and thats sucks because i love all the other albums. i wouldve loved another record like coming home.
It was really forced. I think maybe a bit more weed would have made for such an interesting listen.
Frank162
02/08/10, 03:19 PM
Relient k>ATL>NFG
NFG would be higher but I really, really disliked Not Without A Fight. You can tell the songs were written to sell.
Really, the only band out of these that hasn't worsened with age is Relient k.
which nfg album is your favorite? IMO Not Without A Fight is their best album to date they`ve only gotten better with time...
kearn1tm
02/08/10, 03:20 PM
I came in here for the Fall Out Boy. This will not stand.
ThemChains
02/08/10, 03:21 PM
I secretly hate you.
which nfg album is your favorite? IMO Not Without A Fight is their best album to date they`ve only gotten better with time...
I liked Catalyst, it had way more variety and showed more faces of the band. There are a couple of bright spots on NWAF, like Such A Mess and Don't Let Her Pull You Down, but like someone said earlier, it sounds totally forced.
id take nfg self titled over everything. the bees knees
xapplexpiex
02/08/10, 03:35 PM
which nfg album is your favorite? IMO Not Without A Fight is their best album to date they`ve only gotten better with time...
My favorite is Catalyst. Everybody puts it on the bottom of their list, but I love it.
I came in here for the Fall Out Boy. This will not stand.
I wouldn't consider their newest album pop punk, just "pop". But then again, Relient K's new album is more Alt. Rock. Ah, the annoyance of labels...
This is what I was talking about. I love the direction they took it in. Not pop punk, so i don't know what whoever made this thread was thinking, but really good music.
I've only first heard MMHMM and I love it (I consider it pop punk). I just started listening to their newer stuff, so I can see what you mean now.
PaperLantern
02/08/10, 03:36 PM
Relient K > All Time Low > NFG
Relient K's new album is fantastic. And their old stuff is very much pop/punk I'd say.
Frank162
02/08/10, 03:38 PM
I liked Catalyst, it had way more variety and showed more faces of the band. There are a couple of bright spots on NWAF, like Such A Mess and Don't Let Her Pull You Down, but like someone said earlier, it sounds totally forced.
i guess we`ll have to respectfully disagree haha, Catalyst is the one NFG album that i can`t stand. but i also love their Self titled album, sticks and stones, and Nothing Gold Can Stay and i think Not Without A Fight has a lot of moments that remind me of those older albums.
Relient K > All Time Low > NFG
Relient K's new album is fantastic. And their old stuff is very much pop/punk I'd say.
your opinion doesnt count...your avatar is relient k...so obviously youre gonna say that! :)
Frank162
02/08/10, 03:38 PM
I liked Catalyst, it had way more variety and showed more faces of the band. There are a couple of bright spots on NWAF, like Such A Mess and Don't Let Her Pull You Down, but like someone said earlier, it sounds totally forced.
i guess we`ll have to respectfully disagree haha, Catalyst is the one NFG album that i can`t stand. but i also love their Self titled album, sticks and stones, and Nothing Gold Can Stay and i think Not Without A Fight has a lot of moments that remind me of those older albums.
PaperLantern
02/08/10, 03:42 PM
your opinion doesnt count...your avatar is relient k...so obviously youre gonna say that! :)
Haha I don't see why that means it shouldn't count!
kearn1tm
02/08/10, 03:43 PM
I wouldn't consider their newest album pop punk, just "pop". But then again, Relient K's new album is more Alt. Rock. Ah, the annoyance of labels...
Nothing about Fall Out Boy is Pop Punk. Nothing. Nothing about them has ever been Pop Punk. I just enjoy their shitty music.
you should have just said
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and bam.
Haha I don't see why that means it shouldn't count!
PaperLantern
02/08/10, 03:45 PM
Nothing about Fall Out Boy is Pop Punk. Nothing. Nothing about them has ever been Pop Punk. I just enjoy their shitty music.
What do you consider TTTYG?
Relient K > All Time Low > NFG
Relient K's new album is fantastic. And their old stuff is very much pop/punk I'd say.
Agreed on the old stuff being more pop punk. They did a good job with it too, the pop punk thing. Five Score and Seven Years Ago is where I think they started going in a more mature direction, then they kind of took a break with The Bird and The Bee Sides and went back to being the silly Relient k we all knew from Mmhmm and The Anatomy of the Tongue in Cheek. Now the new album is almost completely out of the "pop punk" genre, and I really like how they're changing a little as the age and mature as a band. The lineup has changed as well, which probably contributed to the different direction.
Forgive me for the bit of a rant, but this is one of my favorite bands and I'm stoked to discuss them :)
Agreed on the old stuff being more pop punk. They did a good job with it too, the pop punk thing. Five Score and Seven Years Ago is where I think they started going in a more mature direction, then they kind of took a break with The Bird and The Bee Sides and went back to being the silly Relient k we all knew from Mmhmm and The Anatomy of the Tongue in Cheek. Now the new album is almost completely out of the "pop punk" genre, and I really like how they're changing a little as the age and mature as a band. The lineup has changed as well, which probably contributed to the different direction.
Forgive me for the bit of a rant, but this is one of my favorite bands and I'm stoked to discuss them :)
i would consider mmhmm to be the non silly side....definitely not the classic relient k pop/punk with marilyn manson ate my girlfriend. i would say mmhmm was when they started to mature...and continued on from there.
SomedayTheFire
02/08/10, 04:18 PM
Definately NFG
Definitely definitely.
kearn1tm
02/08/10, 04:18 PM
What do you consider TTTYG?
Power pop.
PaperLantern
02/08/10, 04:20 PM
i would consider mmhmm to be the non silly side....definitely not the classic relient k pop/punk with marilyn manson ate my girlfriend. i would say mmhmm was when they started to mature...and continued on from there.
I agree, but musically, I think MMHMM is closer to their older stuff than it is to the new album. Maintain Consciousness and My Girl's Ex-Boyfriend could have easily been on any of the records previous to MMHMM and still fit in.
I agree, but musically, I think MMHMM is closer to their older stuff than it is to the new album. Maintain Consciousness and My Girl's Ex-Boyfriend could have easily been on any of the records previous to MMHMM and still fit in.
yeah, i agree with those 2 songs. i cant say much about the newest album....cause honestly i havent really heard it. which i cant believe. i have let a lot of new stuff pass me by in the last year. i loved five score though....is it similar?
im about to give it a listen tonight.
xapplexpiex
02/08/10, 04:34 PM
Power pop.
Oh, okay. That's what I was wondering. The term "power pop" isn't used a lot, so that makes sense.
i would consider mmhmm to be the non silly side....definitely not the classic relient k pop/punk with marilyn manson ate my girlfriend. i would say mmhmm was when they started to mature...and continued on from there.
Mmhmm had some playful, light-hearted songs on it, like Maintain Consciousness, but there were a few more mature songs, like Life After Death and Taxes and When I Go Down. That's probably my favorite Relient k album, but the sound is way different from Forget & Not Slow Down.
PaperLantern
02/08/10, 04:39 PM
yeah, i agree with those 2 songs. i cant say much about the newest album....cause honestly i havent really heard it. which i cant believe. i have let a lot of new stuff pass me by in the last year. i loved five score though....is it similar?
im about to give it a listen tonight.
I'd say it's closer to Five Score than anything else they've done just because of how serious it is, but that's not saying much. It's entirely different from any of their previous stuff. The first two songs are similar to MMHMM I suppose, but after that it just gets different. Just listen to it, my AOTY for 2009 for sure.
edit: also, it has one track that is pretty hardcore for a Relient K song. It features the lead singer of Underoath, great song.
I'd say it's closer to Five Score than anything else they've done just because of how serious it is, but that's not saying much. It's entirely different from any of their previous stuff. The first two songs are similar to MMHMM I suppose, but after that it just gets different. Just listen to it, my AOTY for 2009 for sure.
edit: also, it has one track that is pretty hardcore for a Relient K song. It features the lead singer of Underoath, great song.
relient k with underoath? woah, how the hell did i miss this album... im pathetic.
i will listen. thanks.
Definitely definitely.
my bad
I'd say it's closer to Five Score than anything else they've done just because of how serious it is, but that's not saying much. It's entirely different from any of their previous stuff. The first two songs are similar to MMHMM I suppose, but after that it just gets different. Just listen to it, my AOTY for 2009 for sure.
edit: also, it has one track that is pretty hardcore for a Relient K song. It features the lead singer of Underoath, great song.
not feeling it that much. about 3/4 through it. i like mmhmm and five score better....maybe it will grow on me, i dunno.
youre right though, very different.
PaperLantern
02/08/10, 05:34 PM
not feeling it that much. about 3/4 through it. i like mmhmm and five score better....maybe it will grow on me, i dunno.
youre right though, very different.
I think what did it for me was Theissen's vocals. Never been better than on this album.
whenyourearound
02/08/10, 05:35 PM
I fucking hate this stupid debate about what is poppunk and whats not. Ill call all three of these bands poppunk and some people will call them pop, thats fine with me.
saveferris
02/08/10, 05:43 PM
wikipedia can be edited by a retard.
Yeah, but it can be taken down by the creator of the page
xapplexpiex
02/08/10, 06:14 PM
I fucking hate this stupid debate about what is poppunk and whats not. Ill call all three of these bands poppunk and some people will call them pop, thats fine with me.
Exactly. That guy that was bitching about their labels was starting to piss me off.
whenyourearound
02/08/10, 06:16 PM
Exactly. That guy that was bitching about their labels was starting to piss me off.
yeahh that goddamn t-bagging sonofabitch.
xapplexpiex
02/08/10, 06:18 PM
yeahh that goddamn t-bagging sonofabitch.
I'm not going to go into name calling (he'll proly bitch up a storm and say I'm not punk enough), but yeah -- him.
whenyourearound
02/08/10, 06:21 PM
I'm not going to go into name calling (he'll proly bitch up a storm and say I'm not punk enough), but yeah -- him.
haha yeahh thats true, but ill let him bitch itll be humorous.
xtheaudition
02/08/10, 06:38 PM
its all about city lights, this time next year, i call fives, weekend fm, american diary, radio feelings, local pop punk bands are the best!
Frank162
02/08/10, 07:09 PM
its all about city lights, this time next year, i call fives, weekend fm, american diary, radio feelings, local pop punk bands are the best!
isnt i call fives from the tampa area?
oddwithoutend
02/08/10, 07:11 PM
If it is pop. It is not punk.
ha I can't get over how wrong this is.
Alex DiVincenzo
02/08/10, 07:37 PM
Definitely NFG
friskycurtain
02/08/10, 07:48 PM
Why is All Time Low in this poll...pop-punk my ass.
xapplexpiex
02/09/10, 04:59 AM
Why is All Time Low in this poll...pop-punk my ass.
I didn't know what else they would be. And everyone on this site goes gaga over them, so I thought it'd be a fair race...but I guess not.
friskycurtain
02/09/10, 07:15 AM
I didn't know what else they would be. And everyone on this site goes gaga over them, so I thought it'd be a fair race...but I guess not.
I understand. Just every time I hear people call them pop-punk I think it is a slap in the face to the real pop-punk bands like New Found Glory, blink-182, Yellowcard, etc. They are a bunch of pretty boys that are basically a slightly harder version of the Jonas Brothers.
cshadows2887
02/09/10, 10:55 AM
I understand. Just every time I hear people call them pop-punk I think it is a slap in the face to the real pop-punk bands like New Found Glory, blink-182, Yellowcard, etc. They are a bunch of pretty boys that are basically a slightly harder version of the Jonas Brothers.
Errm....
xtheaudition
02/09/10, 01:58 PM
isnt i call fives from the tampa area?
yeah and radio feelings is from russia haha
dannybr0ot4l
02/09/10, 02:16 PM
Daggermouth
Burn That Shit
02/09/10, 02:22 PM
out of those it's obviously relient k. these aren't pop punk bands.
Burn That Shit
02/09/10, 02:23 PM
If it is pop. It is not punk.
so you're saying the clash or the ramones didn't have any poppy hooks or melodies?
guuurrrrrlllllllll, youz crazy.
yayitsjoe
02/09/10, 02:28 PM
Title Fight
i was actually thinking about this the other day. do you really consider them pop punk? cause i don't know. there's not really any pop influences in their music...
dannybr0ot4l
02/09/10, 02:51 PM
i was actually thinking about this the other day. do you really consider them pop punk? cause i don't know. there's not really any pop influences in their music...
I know there was a thread about this but a lot of people coined the term "easycore"
I just posted Daggermouth and their kinda the same way, same with Polar Bear Club, and even Set Your Goals, you can hear a definite hardcore influence in all bands more so that say all time low or something.
yayitsjoe
02/09/10, 03:04 PM
I know there was a thread about this but a lot of people coined the term "easycore"
I just posted Daggermouth and their kinda the same way, same with Polar Bear Club, and even Set Your Goals, you can hear a definite hardcore influence in all bands more so that say all time low or something.
haha, i saw that easycore thread too. and yeah, but title fight doesn't even really have any pop influences. but genre is all really opinion, so whatever people like to call it.
dannybr0ot4l
02/09/10, 03:13 PM
haha, i saw that easycore thread too. and yeah, but title fight doesn't even really have any pop influences. but genre is all really opinion, so whatever people like to call it.
on that note, Title Fight is awesome.
yayitsjoe
02/09/10, 03:18 PM
on that note, Title Fight is awesome.
title fight is extremely awesome. representing PA well, they are. i saw them open for four year strong. kids were going nuts for them, but this was before i knew them much. :\
theguy77
02/09/10, 03:39 PM
out of those it's obviously relient k. these aren't pop punk bands.
this is my answer, word for word.
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