Fantasy Baseball 2010

[pand75]

There's a rumor that Yahoo Fantasy Baseball will be up today. ESPN's is supposed to be up this week as well.

It's back!

[DaveFeelsRight]

im down for a free leagiue

[QuikTrig]

i'll be down.

how much is the pay league usually?

[xbrokendownx]

im down for any and all leagues, especially the pay league

are we renewing Justin's keeper as well?

[pand75]

Well this year, Justin is here, so he could respond. If there's a spot in that keeper league, I want in. Otherwise I'm 100% down for any and all leagues once again.

Obviously we're not doing CBS again for the pay, so what about ESPN?

[xbrokendownx]

ESPN isnt bad, id be fine with that

as long as Goodbye forever isnt handling the money....

[Scott Weber]

awesome. can't wait for fantasy baseball.

[Cameronisonfire]

I am so pumped. Also, I have a question for yall. I am in a keeper league in which we keep six players, two of which have to be pitchers. I know for sure I am keeping Longoria, Fielder, Santana and King Felix. I have a toss up between Brandon Philips, Yovani Gallardo and Andrew McCutchen. I am really, really high on McCutchen and see great things coming from him this season. Brandon Phillips is hurt more than I would prefer but the 2nd base position is always a weak one in fantasy leagues. And Gallardo is a worthy keeper but maybe not with Phillips and McCutchen in the conversation. Thanks, I trust yall more than the "im so gay for this player" dopes at the ESPN fourms.

[xbrokendownx]

i would keep Phillips personally because 2B are a lot harder to find than SP or OF

[pand75]

Yeah definitely Phillips. I was just going through all the positions and there's a huge drop off at 2nd base.

[Sloth7]

Hey everyone- I know this isn't necessarily an advice thread, but any help would be appreciated. My league gets to pick three keepers, I was lucky enough to have Pujols and Mauer on my team, so they're givens. For a third I was thinking either Cliff Lee or Matt Cain, it was a definite when Lee was on the Phillies, but now that he's on Seattle, should I still stick with him? He was a lot better last year on the Phillies compared to Cleveland, but his complete games are hard to pass up. Thanks very much- I appreciate it.

[pand75]

Yep. Stick with Lee. Mariners are favorites to win the AL West

[Sloth7]

Yep. Stick with Lee. Mariners are favorites to win the AL West


Thanks a lot- you're right, I'd be kicking myself if I dropped him.

[Scott Weber]

Lee should do much better with Seattle than Philly in ERA, but probably not wins.

[cwhit412]

I did about five keeper leagues this year, and I want to get in on a one year league.
Hit me up. I'm big with deep minors if you have a keeper slot open as well.
Is this thread gonna be here all year? if so, I'll pop in rather often.

[pand75]

it's actually going to be closed later this week. sorry.

[Cameronisonfire]

Hey everyone- I know this isn't necessarily an advice thread, but any help would be appreciated. My league gets to pick three keepers, I was lucky enough to have Pujols and Mauer on my team, so they're givens. For a third I was thinking either Cliff Lee or Matt Cain, it was a definite when Lee was on the Phillies, but now that he's on Seattle, should I still stick with him? He was a lot better last year on the Phillies compared to Cleveland, but his complete games are hard to pass up. Thanks very much- I appreciate it.

Lee>>>Cain imo fantasy wise. Especially this year on the Mariners, a team that is looking really good.

[Sloth7]

Lee>>>Cain imo fantasy wise. Especially this year on the Mariners, a team that is looking really good.


Thanks! Lee does seem to be the way to go.

[Deth]

Yay baseball season my favorite! I am interested in being apart of a league here on AP H2H or roto doesn't matter.

Keep Lee he will have way more run support than Cain

[Deth]

yahoo fantasy baseball is now online! someone get a league going!

[2's and 3's]

baseball

[Chris M.]

I want back in the two leagues I was in last year, the keeper and free league I think.

[pand75]

I want in the free league and the pay league and possibly the keeper league.

[aloneatlastnj]

i'm of course down for the free league but i'm not sure about the pay league yet.

[dellico]

I'm up for any type of pay league.

[xbrokendownx]

i need a bounceback year in fantasy baseball, i had a down year last year aside from the pay league

[StandMyBrothers]

Pay for the first time, keeper to retain my title, and free league.

[Deth]

i've done ap pay leagues and free leagues for other sports like football and basketball, but I am definitely interested in a keeper league whether it is fresh draft or taking over an existing team. PM or let me know if any spots are open. Again, i'm down for whatever and am active every single day.

[xbrokendownx]

justin you sent out keeper league invites?

[Scott Weber]

yahoo has live auction drafts this year, i would absolutely love to try that.

[avengedtbs]

I want back in the pay league.

[Dirty Ernie]

justin you sent out keeper league invites?

Yeah I got mine. I don't think he set a date yet though. Did we keep 3 or 5 last year? I took Greinke late on a flyer, I think I'll be keeping him this year.

[xbrokendownx]

oh yea i just got mine too...we keeping 3 or 5?

[Scott Weber]

i vote to keep 5

[pand75]

Anyone not in the league? I want that spot.

[xbrokendownx]

i vote to keep 3. i dont even know what 5 i would keep lol

[Scott Weber]

you have to keep more than 3, IMO. we keep 3 in the football league and those are much smaller total rosters.

[xbrokendownx]

i guess mine would be Johan, Peavy, B. Phillips, Jeter, and Holliday?

[Killadelphia]

4 Keepers sound good?

[Killadelphia]

I've also pondered keeping 3, and then keep 1 that you did not keep from the year prior?

or 3 and 2?

Leaning toward only wanting 4 keepers though

[Scott Weber]

we kept 5 last year didn't we?

[Killadelphia]

we kept 5 last year didn't we?

Nope we had four.

[Dirty Ernie]

I don't mind 4, I agree 3 is too few.

[Killadelphia]

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/mlb/2009/54985/draftresults?drafttab=team

last year's draft results to see who you kept before.

[Killadelphia]

I don't mind 4, I agree 3 is too few.

Yeah, I wouldn't go to 3.

[Killadelphia]

I did change one thing so far: free agent pick-ups go into effect day of, not the next day.

[Scott Weber]

I did change one thing so far: free agent pick-ups go into effect day of, not the next day.
is that a new feature? i like that.

[Killadelphia]

Catcher interference as a stat, yes/no?

[Killadelphia]

is that a new feature? i like that.

I think so. It was never there in the past.

[xbrokendownx]

ok im down with the "keep 1 guy you didnt last year", since i didnt keep either Peavy or Jeter and would keep one of them this year lol

[Killadelphia]

Yeah I doubt most people would go for it, but it is just a suggestion. I am fine with just 4.

Also, I'd like to swap k/bb ratio out with something.

Any suggestions in terms of pitching stats?

[Scott Weber]

how can we do that if somebody else is keeping them this year?

[Killadelphia]

how can we do that if somebody else is keeping them this year?

no, no.

Last year you had kept 4 guys. You can keep 3 of the same guys, but you have to keep 1 guy on last year's roster who you didn't keep for last year's draft.

I mean you keep 4 brand new guys too, but you'd have to keep 1 new keeper from your roster.

[Scott Weber]

no, no.

Last year you had kept 4 guys. You can keep 3 of the same guys, but you have to keep 1 guy on last year's roster who you didn't keep for last year's draft.

I mean you keep 4 brand new guys too, but you'd have to keep 1 new keeper from your roster.
ah, ok. if we did that i'd prefer to do 4 + 1 we didn't keep the year before.

[pand75]

Justin, is there a spot in the league? You know I'm good for it.

[Killadelphia]

Justin, is there a spot in the league? You know I'm good for it.

Not sure yet. Just sent out invites this morning.

[Deth]

Put me on the list if someone can't make it already pmed you awhile ago.

[Killadelphia]

Put me on the list if someone can't make it already pmed you awhile ago.

Yeah, you're 2nd in line.

[cantnokdahustle]

Pand can have mine; I've got way too much stuff going on. I'll decline my invite when I get home; I can't access it from here. Also, you should have a good draft spot, 2 or 3.

[pand75]

I've never seen you before, but awesome! Thanks.

[cantnokdahustle]

No prob.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

I'd be interested in another pay league (preferably not CBS, unless they changed back the point system).

[Scott Weber]

yeah never CBS again! yahoo has auction drafts this year,a nyone interested in that?

[pand75]

yeah I'd be down. not sure i'd do the pay league in that format though.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Yeah, I'd love to try that but would rather do that for the free league.

[aloneatlastnj]

yeah I'd be down. not sure i'd do the pay league in that format though.

Yeah, I'd love to try that but would rather do that for the free league.

these.

[livethesounds]

i'm down for pay league. my freaking keeper team is going to be horrid again. i gotta look, i doubt there are 4 players worth keeping on my team. fuck, i doubt there's 2 players.

[Deth]

i'm down for pay league. my freaking keeper team is going to be horrid again. i gotta look, i doubt there are 4 players worth keeping on my team. fuck, i doubt there's 2 players.

post your team, we can all take a look at it. I'm sure you got some at least 4 to keep.

[pand75]

uhh

[troubledbyinsects]

i'd be up for a free league if there's a spot, i'm down with anything (h2h, roto, don't matter to me)

[livethesounds]

my keepers last year were
Berkman
Nathan
Webb
and Micheal Young

i'd consider keeping
A.J. Burnett and Jair Jurrgens. that's about it. so not exactly the prime guys for a keeper league.

[startBBtoday]

last year's champ is obviously down for the pay league again

[aloneatlastnj]

deth banned? hahaha oooops.

[startBBtoday]

why'd that happen?

[Scott Weber]

what'd deth do? wasn't me.

[pand75]

maybe he just got rid of his avatar

[Scott Weber]

yeah it doesn't look like he's got any infraction points.

[aloneatlastnj]

ah. just assumed because of the lack of an avatar. whoops.

[J.C.]

Down for the free again.

[live.]

Just did a Yahoo mock draft for fun. Picked too many starters (not early, just in general), haha and ended up with this:

c - McCann
1b - Sandoval
2b - Kendrick
3b - Gordon Beckham
ss - Stephen Drew
of - Justin Upton
of - Adam Lind
of - Torii Hunter
util - Juan Rivera
util - Alex Gordon
util - Scott Sizemore

bn - Hideki Matsui
bn - Chris Davis
bn - Cody Ross
bn - Seth Smith

sp- Lincecum
sp - Josh Johnson
sp - Tommy Hanson
sp - Carlos Zambrano
sp - Erik Bedard
sp - De la Rosa

rp - Brian Wilson
rp - Phil Hughes

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I might be game for doing another free league.

[xbrokendownx]

yea, your offense is pretty terrible

[cwhit412]

Just did a Yahoo mock draft for fun. Picked too many starters (not early, just in general), haha and ended up with this:

c - McCann
1b - Sandoval
2b - Kendrick
3b - Gordon Beckham
ss - Stephen Drew
of - Justin Upton
of - Adam Lind
of - Torii Hunter
util - Juan Rivera
util - Alex Gordon
util - Scott Sizemore

bn - Hideki Matsui
bn - Chris Davis
bn - Cody Ross
bn - Seth Smith

sp- Lincecum
sp - Josh Johnson
sp - Tommy Hanson
sp - Carlos Zambrano
sp - Erik Bedard
sp - De la Rosa

rp - Brian Wilson
rp - Phil Hughes

Like the team. Upton's gonna be huge this year, and Davis could bounce back. Pitching is all K's. A little risky though. I like Drew a lot. High upside team.

[live.]

yea, your offense is pretty terrible

I wouldn't say that. It's definitely risky, but i've got a lot of high upside guys. Luckily, it's not my real team of course haha.

Like the team. Upton's gonna be huge this year, and Davis could bounce back. Pitching is all K's. A little risky though. I like Drew a lot. High upside team.

Yeah, once I realized all of my targets were gone I just went for all-or-nothing type of guys. If this were my team I think I'd be able to count on Upton, Sandoval, and Lind to have good years, but the rest are a roll of the dice. I personally don't have much faith in Stephen Drew but I totally looked over SS.

[pand75]

Stephen Drew is one of your better picks, depending on what round it was.

[SgtSmegma]

Like the team. Upton's gonna be huge this year, and Davis could bounce back. Pitching is all K's. A little risky though. I like Drew a lot. High upside team.

Stephen Drew is one of your better picks, depending on what round it was.

I'll never draft Stephen Drew again. The past 2 years, I thought he would be a breakout player and drafted him fairly high and he fucked me in the ass both times.

[cwhit412]

I'll never draft Stephen Drew again. The past 2 years, I thought he would be a breakout player and drafted him fairly high and he fucked me in the ass both times.

I have faith still that he'll be a top 5 SS.

[SgtSmegma]

I have faith still that he'll be a top 5 SS.

I might grab him if he lasts late, but I'm not going to draft him as early as I had been.

I also am not as sold on Justin Upton as everyone else seems to be.

[troubledbyinsects]

if anybody's doing a free league and needs a spot, PM me. i'd be totally down.

[cwhit412]

I might grab him if he lasts late, but I'm not going to draft him as early as I had been.

I also am not as sold on Justin Upton as everyone else seems to be.

Here's a stat that might win you over.
Two years ago, his first full year, when he hit 16 home runs...
He had the highest AVERAGE HOME RUN DISTANCE of any players.
Now, he's matured two years since then.
He could go 35-20 this year, with an A-Rod caliber prime.

[SgtSmegma]

Here's a stat that might win you over.
Two years ago, his first full year, when he hit 16 home runs...
He had the highest AVERAGE HOME RUN DISTANCE of any players.
Now, he's matured two years since then.
He could go 35-20 this year, with an A-Rod caliber prime.

He has an incredible amount of talent, but so does his brother BJ. How has that worked out for him so far? I see it, I just think he's still too raw to be a 1st/2nd round fantasy talent. He will still strike out a ton

[cwhit412]

He has an incredible amount of talent, but so does his brother BJ. How has that worked out for him so far? I see it, I just think he's still too raw to be a 1st/2nd round fantasy talent. He will still strike out a ton

Justin's K rates are already lower than BJ's are. Plus he's younger. BJ is more of a speed guy while Justin is the power guy.
Next year he'll be a top 5 pick. Easy.

[xbrokendownx]

whos going to set up the free/pay league?

[Kaleidoscope]

I've used Yahoo! and ESPN for leagues in the past (but not in the last couple years) but I've read that CBSsports has a nice interface. I want to start a league, which is the best/most user friendly site?

[pand75]

Just did a mock draft. Way too many good players left undrafted

C - Montero
1B - Youk, C. Pena
2B - Zobrist, McGahee
SS - S. Drew, Tejada
3B - Beckham
OF - Sizemore, Kemp, Carlos Gonzalez, Beltran, LaPorta

SP - Wainwright, Jimenez, Hanson, Matusz, Lilly, Wade Davis, Kazmir
RP - Soriano, Qualls, Marcum

Too bad that was a mock.

[aloneatlastnj]

had my first mock draft -- like pat said, way too many good players went undrafted this time. i picked up votto in the last round. wtf.

C- mccann
1B - morneau, votto
2B - kinsler, uggla, zobrist
SS - bartlett
3B - ramirez
OF - braun, markakis, mccutchen
SP - greinke, j. johnson, cain, jimenez, liriano
RP - soria, bailey

[Broken Parachute]

If Justin is bringing his keeper league back then I'll be down to keep my team for another season.

[Killadelphia]

If Justin is bringing his keeper league back then I'll be down to keep my team for another season.

you were sent an invite?



also, pat, message me your e-mail and I'll send you an invite and your team.

[Killadelphia]

Anyone want to try a free, points league?

[Broken Parachute]

you were sent an invite?


also, pat, message me your e-mail and I'll send you an invite and your team.Oh, I'm sorry...I haven't checked any email besides my school email in forever. Thanks.

[xbrokendownx]

just go to your fantasy baseball page and it should show leagues you were in last year and that you got invited again this year

[pand75]

you were sent an invite?



also, pat, message me your e-mail and I'll send you an invite and your team.

pand75@hotmail.com

[Killadelphia]

pand75@hotmail.com

sent you an invite and sent your roster.

[QuikTrig]

Just did a mock draft. Way too many good players left undrafted

C - Montero
1B - Youk, C. Pena
2B - Zobrist, McGahee
SS - S. Drew, Tejada
3B - Beckham
OF - Sizemore, Kemp, Carlos Gonzalez, Beltran, LaPorta

SP - Wainwright, Jimenez, Hanson, Matusz, Lilly, Wade Davis, Kazmir
RP - Soriano, Qualls, Marcum

Too bad that was a mock.

that is a complete make or break team. i could picture this team coming in dead last, by a lot...

[pand75]

Why? It's very balanced out. Only weakness is at SS.

[Kaleidoscope]

any suggestions as to which site has the best interface?

[Killadelphia]

Why? It's very balanced out. Only weakness is at SS.

a lot of youth, upside guys.

[aloneatlastnj]

Why? It's very balanced out. Only weakness is at SS.

a lot of youth, upside guys.

i'm with justin. i've found that when i tried to have a team of younger guys and relied more on potential and upside rather than "proven" success i've never done as well as i'd liked. i know it's a bullshit concept when you think of baseball, but i've found it to be true in fantasy.

i see maybe 7 guys who are that "proven" type of guy, where you absolutely know - or have a damn good idea - what they're going to give you.

[Killadelphia]

i'm with justin. i've found that when i tried to have a team of younger guys and relied more on potential and upside rather than "proven" success i've never done as well as i'd liked. i know it's a bullshit concept when you think of baseball, but i've found it to be true in fantasy.

i see maybe 7 guys who are that "proven" type of guy, where you absolutely know - or have a damn good idea - what they're going to give you.

In the first year of one my keeper league, I reached on a guy like Hermida. Fucking killed me.

[Scott Weber]

I do much poorer when I play it safe.

[aloneatlastnj]

I do much poorer when I play it safe.

that's interesting. i wonder why that is -- why are there such mixed results for people when it comes to playing it safe vs. hoping to get more out of upside guys? is it the amount of "research" you do or..?

[Scott Weber]

I'm not trying to talk down to anyone - but it's just about taking the right risks. Figuring out who's undervalued and who's likely to regress. The more players you decide you don't want on your team, the better pool you have to select from as everyone else takes them. Also important to target high upside players with high downside, if that makes sense.

[aloneatlastnj]

I'm not trying to talk down to anyone - but it's just about taking the right risks. Figuring out who's undervalued and who's likely to regress. The more players you decide you don't want on your team, the better pool you have to select from as everyone else takes them. Also important to target high upside players with high downside, if that makes sense.

yeah, makes sense for sure. i was trying to get some discussion going about the flukey nature of fantasy sports in general, maybe getting into different things you do/everyone else does to prepare for a draft. especially since we all like to get the upper hand hahaha. for some reason i take it very seriously -- probably more than i should.

i try to look at the top 25 at each position for that year and break them down into tiers then value them from there. your advice about deciding who you DON'T want is pretty good - i'll have to try that.

for me, overdrafting a pitcher in a round earlier than the 6th just hasn't worked. i either a) end up missing out on elite players at up the middle positions or b) find that i can get a combination of guys in the later rounds that are just as valuable.

[Scott Weber]

yeah, makes sense for sure. i was trying to get some discussion going about the flukey nature of fantasy sports in general, maybe getting into different things you do/everyone else does to prepare for a draft. especially since we all like to get the upper hand hahaha. for some reason i take it very seriously -- probably more than i should.

i try to look at the top 25 at each position for that year and break them down into tiers then value them from there. your advice about deciding who you DON'T want is pretty good - i'll have to try that.

for me, overdrafting a pitcher in a round earlier than the 6th just hasn't worked. i either a) end up missing out on elite players at up the middle positions or b) find that i can get a combination of guys in the later rounds that are just as valuable.
yeah. i have a lot of things that I do in fantasy that I really don't tell anybody haha. it's because we play together here.

[Deth]

Just did a mock draft. Way too many good players left undrafted

C - Montero
1B - Youk, C. Pena
2B - Zobrist, McGahee
SS - S. Drew, Tejada
3B - Beckham
OF - Sizemore, Kemp, Carlos Gonzalez, Beltran, LaPorta

SP - Wainwright, Jimenez, Hanson, Matusz, Lilly, Wade Davis, Kazmir
RP - Soriano, Qualls, Marcum

Too bad that was a mock.

that is a complete make or break team. i could picture this team coming in dead last, by a lot...

That team is not very good, aside from the pitchers you chose.

[troubledbyinsects]

Anyone want to try a free, points league?
i would be in.

[pand75]

That team is not very good, aside from the pitchers you chose.
I really do not see how that's not a good team.

[aloneatlastnj]

I really do not see how that's not a good team.

if that was going to be your team, you'd be relying on/hoping to get so much out of so many guys just to keep you afloat offensively. different strokes for different folks but really, what can you expect out of drew/tejada and especially gonzalez/laporta? would you hope this would be the year they break out and, combined, give you beltran-like production until he comes back in, what, june? like deth said - your pitching selections weren't bad. it just seems like you're hoping to be ahead of the curve or catch lightning in a bottle with a few of those guys. there are a few question marks and if they don't pan out there's really no back up option that can aid in carrying your team unless you unload a pitcher.

i see what you did with youk's 1B/3B flexibility by being able to bench beckham which wasn't a terrible move - especially if pena comes back healthy.

[pand75]

I guess we don't have the same direction in fantasy sports. I target high upside guys or guys who fall who have great value (Pena in the 9th round, Lilly in the 2nd to last round). I find that if you take those risks, if they work, you will most likely become a contender. Yeah I'm taking a chance with Montero at catcher, and who knows if Zobrist can repeat (I'm a believer). Also, Gonzalez's splits at Coors and post all-star break are mental, why not take that chance, especially when I drafted him in the 11th round.

[aloneatlastnj]

I guess we don't have the same direction in fantasy sports. I target high upside guys or guys who fall who have great value (Pena in the 9th round, Lilly in the 2nd to last round). I find that if you take those risks, if they work, you will most likely become a contender. Yeah I'm taking a chance with Montero at catcher, and who knows if Zobrist can repeat (I'm a believer). Also, Gonzalez's splits at Coors and post all-star break are mental, why not take that chance, especially when I drafted him in the 11th round.

haha i think that's pretty much what it comes down to. it's just been my experience that taking risks has never worked out. it could be because i took the wrong ones or i was ill-researched in years previous. not knocking your choice (it was a mock, after all), just trying to give some explanation as to why you're getting shit on kinda hahaha.

[QuikTrig]

for me, overdrafting a pitcher in a round earlier than the 6th just hasn't worked. i either a) end up missing out on elite players at up the middle positions or b) find that i can get a combination of guys in the later rounds that are just as valuable.

if theres a stud still hanging out in the 5th who's fallen through the cracks, would you pick him up? or still go position? out of curiosity.

[aloneatlastnj]

if theres a stud still hanging out in the 5th who's fallen through the cracks, would you pick him up? or still go position? out of curiosity.

i think it would depend on how my team and the draft itself is shaping up. if i think i'm covered sufficiently at the positions i value the most by that time - or could afford to skip out on one, depending on who was available - and for some reason someone like miguel cabrera is around, i would probably grab him. chances are he could make whoever i had drafted or had in mind at 1B either a) obsolete or b) one of them becomes nice trade bait so i could upgrade somewhere else.

[Killadelphia]

I guess we don't have the same direction in fantasy sports. I target high upside guys or guys who fall who have great value (Pena in the 9th round, Lilly in the 2nd to last round). I find that if you take those risks, if they work, you will most likely become a contender. Yeah I'm taking a chance with Montero at catcher, and who knows if Zobrist can repeat (I'm a believer). Also, Gonzalez's splits at Coors and post all-star break are mental, why not take that chance, especially when I drafted him in the 11th round.

Yeah of course, high risk/high reward moves are good, but like a stock portfolio, you have to limit them.

[CubbyNick42]

I also am not as sold on Justin Upton as everyone else seems to be.
When Pujols's reign as best in the game ends in a couple years, Upton will take over.

[avengedtbs]

Is the pay league happening again this year? I want to bubble for the third year in a row.

[xbrokendownx]

my keepers for Justin's league:

J. Santana
J. Peavy
B. Phillips
M. Holliday

[pand75]

I have no idea who to choose as my 4th keeper, so trades are welcome guys:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/pand75/Screenshot2010-02-17at63235PM.jpg

I plan on keeping A-Rod, Nelson Cruz and Adrian Gonzalez, but no idea who else to keep? Ellsbury? Billingsley? Broxton? blah.

[Killadelphia]

post your keepers on the league page, easier to keep track of then going through 300 posts.

[xbrokendownx]

yea i had a hard time deciding between holliday and jeter

[pand75]

I'd keep Jeter over Peavy. There are a TON of good pitching really late in the drafts.

[Killadelphia]

I have no idea who to choose as my 4th keeper, so trades are welcome guys:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/pand75/Screenshot2010-02-17at63235PM.jpg

I plan on keeping A-Rod, Nelson Cruz and Adrian Gonzalez, but no idea who else to keep? Ellsbury? Billingsley? Broxton? blah.

ellsbury is as efficient as guys who keep reyes.

[xbrokendownx]

yea i may have to keep jeter especially since SS is usually pretty thing. guess i have some time to think about it

[pand75]

do a mock draft and you'll see how deep everything is. 3rd is the worst position this year, other than catcher.

[Chris M.]

I have no clue who to keep in that league. I have a lot of options. Bartlett, Howard, McCutchen, Aramis Ramirez, Tulowitzki, Zobrist, Buchholz, Kershaw and Cliff Lee. Anyone looking for a SS want to deal?

[pand75]

I have no clue who to keep in that league. I have a lot of options. Bartlett, Howard, McCutchen, Aramis Ramirez, Tulowitzki, Zobrist, Buchholz, Kershaw and Cliff Lee. Anyone looking for a SS want to deal?
My team is posted above, anything interest you?

[Chris M.]

Only A-Rod.

[SgtSmegma]

When Pujols's reign as best in the game ends in a couple years, Upton will take over.

Pujols is only 30

[pand75]

He's not going to be the best hitter in all of baseball until he's 40 is what he's trying to say.

[Deth]

I have no idea who to choose as my 4th keeper, so trades are welcome guys:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r263/pand75/Screenshot2010-02-17at63235PM.jpg

I plan on keeping A-Rod, Nelson Cruz and Adrian Gonzalez, but no idea who else to keep? Ellsbury? Billingsley? Broxton? blah.

I would go with

Alex Rodriguez
Jacoby Ellsbury
Adrian Gonzalez
Jonathan Broxton

[Killadelphia]

I would go with

Alex Rodriguez
Jacoby Ellsbury
Adrian Gonzalez
Jonathan Broxton

who keeps closers?

[Killadelphia]

I'm definitely keeping Youk, Utley, and Kemp.

Unsure about Bay/Victorino/Kubel.

Definitely no one worth keeping as a pitcher.

[xbrokendownx]

keeping a closer is silly

[QuikTrig]

i don't know what the scoring in the league is or how many peeps are in it, but i don't think keeping broxton is a definitive stupid move...

[CubbyNick42]

I plan on keeping A-Rod, Nelson Cruz and Adrian Gonzalez, but no idea who else to keep? Ellsbury? Billingsley? Broxton? blah.
Probably Ellsbury. Scherzer if you want a pitcher.

[Killadelphia]

i don't know what the scoring in the league is or how many peeps are in it, but i don't think keeping broxton is a definitive stupid move...

keeping a closer in any league is a stupid move. It is like drafting a closer in round 4 of a draft.

[pand75]

I was actually thinking about Broxton, because he's one of the best closers and there is really no one else i'd want to keep, and when you guys are drafting closers, I'll draft a hitter or a starter, but I'll probably go with Ellsbury, unless someone wants to trade for him.

[QuikTrig]

keeping a closer in any league is a stupid move. It is like drafting a closer in round 4 of a draft.

in a h2h league with k rates/saves/whip/era, how would having broxton be a dumb move. it's not like he's some average, mediocre closer. if you expect him to match last years production, why not keep him, especially if your iffy on who to keep anyway.

not saying he should be a pick in the first round or two, but he definitely has value, imo.

[Killadelphia]

in a h2h league with k rates/saves/whip/era, how would having broxton be a dumb move. it's not like he's some average, mediocre closer. if you expect him to match last years production, why not keep him, especially if your iffy on who to keep anyway.

not saying he should be a pick in the first round or two, but he definitely has value, imo.

we are in roto, and broxton was 12th iin the majors in saves. I'd give him more value cause of saves, late inning wins cause of blown saves, but his ERA wasn't even top 5 for closers.

I'm just saying, he can keep one guy, draft Broxton later.

[CubbyNick42]

Ellsbury would be off the board long before Broxton, and he should be.

[Scott Weber]

in a h2h league with k rates/saves/whip/era, how would having broxton be a dumb move. it's not like he's some average, mediocre closer. if you expect him to match last years production, why not keep him, especially if your iffy on who to keep anyway.

not saying he should be a pick in the first round or two, but he definitely has value, imo.
please tell me you're going to be in one of our leagues.

[pand75]

Alright, I guess I'm sold on Ellsbury

http://ow.ly/18NUb

[Deth]

nothing wrong with keeping a top tier closer, especially one that will save 40 games and strikeout a 100.

I wouldn't necessarily keep broxton, but out of the players he listed on his team the 4 I mentioned were the best overall.

[xbrokendownx]

dude, there is PLENTY wrong with keeping a closer, come on

[Killadelphia]

I'm kicking 2 people out so Quiktrig and Deth can join, and the league now costs $200 to get in.

[troubledbyinsects]

hhahaha

[QuikTrig]

we are in roto, and broxton was 12th iin the majors in saves. I'd give him more value cause of saves, late inning wins cause of blown saves, but his ERA wasn't even top 5 for closers.

I'm just saying, he can keep one guy, draft Broxton later.

all things considered, broxton would be my #1/2 closer in most leagues. make fun of me if you want.

and like i said, its not like there's an obvious clear-cut answer on who he should keep. i still don't see how keeping him would be some huge mistake. i could see an argument for broxton, thats all. your strategy to keep someone else and try to replace broxtons production later in the draft may work too. it may not.

please tell me you're going to be in one of our leagues.

I'm kicking 2 people out so Quiktrig and Deth can join, and the league now costs $200 to get in.

invite me to a league. i would love to get my ass kicked by you expert analysts whose opinions are for some reason the end-all be-all of all baseball related discussions.

[Killadelphia]

That's fine, but if you're picking a closer in the top 4 rounds, you're going to lose. Especially a guy who was not the best closer in baseball last year.

[QuikTrig]

That's fine, but if you're picking a closer in the top 4 rounds, you're going to lose. Especially a guy who was not the best closer in baseball last year.

fantasy wise? he basically was. and is projected by most to be the best in 2010.

[Killadelphia]

fantasy wise? he basically was. and is projected by most to be the best in 2010.

in yahoo, Broxton is the 80th ranked rated player. In a 12 team league, that puts him as a late 6th-7th round pick.

Reach for him with a keeper.

[QuikTrig]

in yahoo, Broxton is the 80th ranked rated player. In a 12 team league, that puts him as a late 6th-7th round pick.

Reach for him with a keeper.

i wouldn't draft him till late either, in a fresh league. just don't see any better options on that particular team. sidenote: i am vehemently opposed to ellsbury.

[Killadelphia]

i wouldn't draft him till late either, in a fresh league. just don't see any better options on that particular team. sidenote: i am vehemently opposed to ellsbury.

yeah but Ellsbury gives you a decent average, obp, scores nearly 100 runs, and steals 70 bases. Home runs and RBIs from him are a bonus and he helps you in more categories than Broxton, as a keeper.

[QuikTrig]

yeah but Ellsbury gives you a decent average, obp, scores nearly 100 runs, and steals 70 bases. Home runs and RBIs from him are a bonus and he helps you in more categories than Broxton, as a keeper.

i'm not arguing his past production, i just think he's bound to be a complete dud one of these years and i dont want to be the one to have him. just a personal thing.

and where on yahoo did you find he was rated 80?

on cbs's draft kit (http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/draftcentral): 38 (above sizemore, granderson, bay, both uptons, votto, mccann, zimmerman...) -- round 4
on yahoo's cheatsheet via rotowire (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/draftkit): 48, (above sizemore, zobrist, nelson cruz, verlander, cliff lee, werth, upton, rollins....) -- round 4
on espns cheatsheet (http://games-ak.espn.go.com/s/flbdraftkit/10/cs/Mixed300.pdf?addata=2010=flbdft_mix ed_300_cs_xxx): 61 (nelson cruz, zobrist, figgins, manny,..) -- round 6

i don't think i'm the only one who thinks an elite closer (of probably only 3) has some value.

[Killadelphia]

i'm not arguing his past production, i just think he's bound to be a complete dud one of these years and i dont want to be the one to have him. just a personal thing.

and where on yahoo did you find he was rated 80?

on cbs's draft kit (http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/draftcentral): 38 (above sizemore, granderson, bay, both uptons, votto, mccann, zimmerman...) -- round 4

on yahoo's cheatsheet via rotowire (http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/draftkit): 48, (above sizemore, zobrist, nelson cruz, verlander, cliff lee, werth, upton, rollins....) -- round 4

on espns cheatsheet (http://games-ak.espn.go.com/s/flbdraftkit/10/cs/Mixed300.pdf?addata=2010=flbdft_mix ed_300_cs_xxx): 61 (nelson cruz, who he is keeping, zobrist, figgins, manny,..) -- round 6

i don't think i'm the only one who thinks an elite closer (of probably only 3) has some value.

their default pre-rank has him at 80.

[CubbyNick42]

It would take a dolt of the highest order to take Broxton with Grady and J. Upton on the board.

[QuikTrig]

It would take a dolt of the highest order to take Broxton with Grady and J. Upton on the board.

i would agree with that.

[Deth]

You blew this way out of proportion (ironic). You guys do realize this is solely based on what he posted as his team.

Broxton would be his 4th best player.

[xbrokendownx]

there is absolutely no way that Broxton is more valuable fantasy wise than Ellsbury.

none.

[Deth]

there is absolutely no way that Broxton is more valuable fantasy wise than Ellsbury.

none.

I don't know where you read that?

I think he said he needed to keep 4 I told him in this order:

A-Rod
Ellsbury
A-Gon
Broxton

Those are his 4 best players, I don't think Cruz should be worth keeping considering the depth of the OF position this year. And he already can make a team around Ellsbury. And that dude Killadelphia chose Youkilis over Bay as a keeper how did you come up with that!?

[pand75]

Cruz has the tools and the supporting cast to make a huge impact.

[Deth]

Cruz has the tools and the supporting cast to make a huge impact.

You forgot the part "if he stays healthy".

[xbrokendownx]

he had 33 bombs in 128 games last year...thats a risk ill take

[pand75]

seriously.

[Deth]

he had 33 bombs in 128 games last year...thats a risk ill take

The only thing that crumbles Cruz's value to me is Ron Washington. He should be able to maintain 30HR power and 25SB but if he strikesout alot like he did last season he won't be getting as many AB's.

[pand75]

Cruz doesn't strike out like Chris Davis does. I think he should be okay.

[Deth]

Cruz doesn't strike out like Chris Davis does. I think he should be okay.

You do know Davis is batting in front of Cruz.

[pand75]

No I don't know that and how do you know that?

[Deth]

The Rangers plan to bat Chris Davis sixth this season, according to Anthony Andro of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Texas manager Ron Washington would prefer not to stack his right-handed batters in the lineup. Nelson Cruz, according to the proposed order, would drop to seventh, with catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia and shortstop Elvis Andrus rounding out the bottom of the lineup.

[CubbyNick42]

Davis has to make the team first. And he's only keeping the spot warm for Smoak anyway.

[Deth]

Davis has to make the team first. And he's only keeping the spot warm for Smoak anyway.

When is Smoak due to arrive? Late June?

[CubbyNick42]

If Davis is still bad and Smoak rakes at OKC, he'll be there by May.

[Killadelphia]

I don't know where you read that?

I think he said he needed to keep 4 I told him in this order:

A-Rod
Ellsbury
A-Gon
Broxton

Those are his 4 best players, I don't think Cruz should be worth keeping considering the depth of the OF position this year. And he already can make a team around Ellsbury. And that dude Killadelphia chose Youkilis over Bay as a keeper how did you come up with that!?

What do you mean, how do I come up with that?

I'm not going to keep 3 outfielders and Utley and I'm certainly not keeping Bay in Citi Field (not even because of the home runs). The rest of the Mets lineup is virtually garbage and I don't expect huge runs scored/rbis (team oriented stats) from Bay this year. So then, I turn to average and OBP. Youk is higher in both of those categories. He's also a right-hander hitting at Fenway.

Virtually, I am keeping Kemp over Bay. Also, 3B is thin, so I will have Youk play there, if need be, instead of keeping a dime a dozen outfielder.

[QuikTrig]

and youk opens up the trading block for the shmucks who fuck up or end up with a dud at 1B/3B. versatility is huge. bay on the other hand will end up being a hassle to trade, regardless of his performance, just because of his name. you're probably going to get underpaid either way (as everyone is coming to some stunning revelation that bay may not be a top-tier OF, as if its some inside info)

[StandMyBrothers]

damn I'd be stoked if I had my keeper league pitching staff this year. Too bad I only kept the King.

[itsmesean0630]

If I were going to do a fantasy league, what would be easier; ESPN or Yahoo? It's going to be mostly a bunch of guys who aren't that into fantasy but really love baseball. Also most of us have only done fantasy football, so what's the easiest for just kind of like a pick me up? Thanks for any help!

[Scott Weber]

Yahoo.

[Killadelphia]

Jetstolehome is out I guess? I was pretty sure he joined at first. Also, Rob Carlson is not being invited back. So as it stands, we have 2 spots and I'd prefer regulars over the brainless idiots.

[Killadelphia]

In my one league, I have all of these guys worth considering.

definites: Pujols, Howard, Longoria

possibles: Adam Jones, Brandon Phillips, Ichiro, Matt Wieters, Matt Cain, Tommy Hanson, Dan Haren, Adam Wainwright

[pand75]

Damn I wish I had that problem, but I'd go with Phillips most likely

[Killadelphia]

Damn I wish I had that problem, but I'd go with Phillips most likely

well I keep 5, and 2B isn't too bad this year. I'd assume I should keep one or two of Wainwright/Haren/Hanson

[dc0511]

Didn't really go through the thread, but if there's a pay league going on this site I'm in to join.

dc0511@gmail.com

[Bruce Wayne]

Draft day was today. 10 team, weekly h2h points

C - Joe Mauer
1B - Joey Votto
2B - Gordon Beckam
SS - Stephen Drew
3B - Ryan Zimmerman
OF - Ben Zobrist
OF - Grady Sizemore
OF - Andrew McCutchen
U - Hunter Pence

P - Tim Lincecum
P - Adam Wainwright
P - Josh Johnson
P - Tommy Hanson
P - Joe Nathan
P - Scott Kazmir
P - Ben Sheets

B - Chis Coghland
B - Nolan Reimold
B - Stephen Strarsberg
B - Ryan Rowland-Smith

[aloneatlastnj]

Jetstolehome is out I guess? I was pretty sure he joined at first. Also, Rob Carlson is not being invited back. So as it stands, we have 2 spots and I'd prefer regulars over the brainless idiots.

if matt is out for sure, i'll take his spot.

[pand75]

We still have time to set up the free leagues, but is anyone going to start them? Who ran it last year?

[xbrokendownx]

Weebs ran the official free league last year i believe

[Scott Weber]

I can run it, just waiting until it's closer. every time I start it early we get a bunch of non-regulars taking spots and then they disappear.

[pand75]

Makes sense to me.

[cwhit412]

I'll get in if I'm decent enough. Which I doubt.
I may not be the best AP.net member, but I'm truly good at FBB.

[A7XBlink]

Hey guys any other spots available?

Yahoo email: mmanis293@yahoo.com

[troubledbyinsects]

I fucking hate Yahoo mock auction drafts.

[hitormiss92]

Hey if there's any spots open in any free yahoo leagues i'm down
PM me or email me at runningace92@yahoo.com

[newfoundmichael]

As long as we are on the subject of advice for keeper leagues, I'm having a problem with my sixth keeper as well. Right now I have Ryan Zimmerman, Justin Upton, Adam Wainwright, Ian Kinsler, and Joey Votto (it's a pretty deep league with many teams). I'm in debate for my final keeper though between Jason Bartlett (career year last year, but can he put up similar numbers?), Chris Carpenter (injury history, but so solid last year), or Michael Young (no longer a middle infielder which hurts his value...only playable at third or utility). It is worth noting that in my league we play 5 Middle Infielders, so SS and 2B are merged.

[pand75]

Carp

[cwhit412]

Definitely.
Bartlett I don't see even hitting 10 homers again.

[Andy Young]

I'm down.

PM me if anyone has a league going on Yahoo.

[Momo32T]

Me and my Dad are in a big money league...weve held our own finishing 2nd 3 out of the last 5 years. I would love to get into a league here too though.

[StandMyBrothers]

can't this thread die down with noobs so we can finally start our leagues haha.

[A7XBlink]

I drafted Bartlett in my pay league, I'm in a 20 Team league so to get him so late was an obvious steal. I definitely want to get in a league on here, where everyone will be active the whole year lol. Also look for Tommy Manzella in your Free Agency if your in a deep league, he'll be starting at shortstop for the Astros

[Killadelphia]

We need two non-morons to join the keeper league.

One will take Rob Carlson's team. The other will take jetstolehome's team (he joined, but then left?)

[xbrokendownx]

didnt Pat say he wanted in? or is he in already?

i think some people requested in a keeper earlier in the thread

[Chris M.]

Pat already is in the league.

[CubbyNick42]

As long as we are on the subject of advice for keeper leagues, I'm having a problem with my sixth keeper as well. Right now I have Ryan Zimmerman, Justin Upton, Adam Wainwright, Ian Kinsler, and Joey Votto (it's a pretty deep league with many teams). I'm in debate for my final keeper though between Jason Bartlett (career year last year, but can he put up similar numbers?), Chris Carpenter (injury history, but so solid last year), or Michael Young (no longer a middle infielder which hurts his value...only playable at third or utility). It is worth noting that in my league we play 5 Middle Infielders, so SS and 2B are merged.
Definitely Carp.

Speaking of, I did a mock draft on Yahoo last week and his ADP was 35.3. Felix's was 36.3.

[Deth]

We need two non-morons to join the keeper league.

One will take Rob Carlson's team. The other will take jetstolehome's team (he joined, but then left?)

I was second in line for this keeper league, I'm active everyday and will play out even if i'm in last.

email me: srowden@gmail.com

[Stavie Steelo]

Rate My Team

C- Yadier Molina
1st-Pujols
2nd-Howie Kendrix
SS-Yunel Escobar
3rd-Aramis Ramirez
2nd/SS-Polanco
1st/3rd-Beckham
OF-Crawford, Upton, Hart, Ludwick, Byrd
UTIL-Vlad

Backups- Dexter Fowley, Orlando Cabrera

SP's - CC, Cliff Lee, Jake Peavy, Carlos Zambrano, Scott Kazmir, Phil Hughes
RP's-Marmol, Jenks, Wagner, Rafeal Soriano

ESPN Auction Team

[pand75]

3/10

3 for Pujols

[xbrokendownx]

dude but hes got Howie Kendrix and Dexter Fowley!

[newfoundmichael]

Definitely Carp.

Speaking of, I did a mock draft on Yahoo last week and his ADP was 35.3. Felix's was 36.3.

I was definitely leaning Carp. But him over Felix Hernandez? There is something seriously wrong with that.

[newfoundmichael]

Rate My Team

C- Yadier Molina
1st-Pujols
2nd-Howie Kendrix
SS-Yunel Escobar
3rd-Aramis Ramirez
2nd/SS-Polanco
1st/3rd-Beckham
OF-Crawford, Upton, Hart, Ludwick, Byrd
UTIL-Vlad

Backups- Dexter Fowley, Orlando Cabrera

SP's - CC, Cliff Lee, Jake Peavy, Carlos Zambrano, Scott Kazmir, Phil Hughes
RP's-Marmol, Jenks, Wagner, Rafeal Soriano

ESPN Auction Team

Which Upton? If Justin, then your team is probably a point higher than if BJ.

[Stavie Steelo]

Which Upton? If Justin, then your team is probably a point higher than if BJ.
BJ, was looking for steals

[xbrokendownx]

...you have Crawford

[Stavie Steelo]

...you have Crawford
Yeah I know right after I got him I totally forgot I had Crawford and was kinda upset with the pick don't like having outfielders from the same team like that but oh well.

[pand75]

don't expect to be in any of our leagues.

[Stavie Steelo]

don't expect to be in any of our leagues.
Not sure what that means I probably have one of the best team in my league and it's a auction draft now a snake draft. My starting pitchers are easily the best.

[newfoundmichael]

BJ, was looking for steals

Justin will give you almost an equal amount of steals with 15 more homers and .050 more points on the batting average. I'm sure you are aware of this, but I'm just saying that he is equally as good in that department.

[Stavie Steelo]

Justin will give you almost an equal amount of steals with 15 more homers and .050 more points on the batting average. I'm sure you are aware of this, but I'm just saying that he is equally as good in that department.
Yeah Justin is better but I got BJ for 15 points while Justin went for 24 points.

[newfoundmichael]

Yeah Justin is better but I got BJ for 15 points while Justin went for 24 points.

ah, auction league. understandable. i've only done those for NBA drafts. my keeper league draft should be pretty interesting this year though.

[Stavie Steelo]

ah, auction league. understandable. i've only done those for NBA drafts. my keeper league draft should be pretty interesting this year though.
Yeah it was my first auction league so didn't know what to expect thought I did pretty well for it. Probably overpaid for Beckham and a couple other but I like my team we shall see how they do.

[newfoundmichael]

Yeah it was my first auction league so didn't know what to expect thought I did pretty well for it. Probably overpaid for Beckham and a couple other but I like my team we shall see how they do.

In my league, we only get two bench spots, so when two or more of your players go on the DL, you have to drop one of your bench guys to keep your DL guys...I had Beckham all year last year, but then Kinsler and Dye both went on the DL so I had to drop him because he wasn't playing. The next week he got called up and started demolishing the ball. It kills me that I didn't keep him, haha.

[Stavie Steelo]

In my league, we only get two bench spots, so when two or more of your players go on the DL, you have to drop one of your bench guys to keep your DL guys...I had Beckham all year last year, but then Kinsler and Dye both went on the DL so I had to drop him because he wasn't playing. The next week he got called up and started demolishing the ball. It kills me that I didn't keep him, haha.
Yeah I paid 12 points for him which is kind of a lot I feel like, but he will put up solid numbers. Yeah we have 3 bench spots and 1 DL spot so you can keep your guy if he goes on the DL in real life. I was so stoked to get Zambrano with my last pick surprised no one took him yet.

[newfoundmichael]

Yeah I paid 12 points for him which is kind of a lot I feel like, but he will put up solid numbers. Yeah we have 3 bench spots and 1 DL spot so you can keep your guy if he goes on the DL in real life. I was so stoked to get Zambrano with my last pick surprised no one took him yet.

I hope Zambrano busts, haha. Sorry, but I hate the guy. If he goes back to form that could be a great pick though. I love Beckham and think he will be a top tier player by the end of the year. Think Longoria in 08.

[Killadelphia]

Deth is in the keeper league.

Need 1 more.

Steelo, don't apply.

[<*)))><]

Anyone doing a league because I hate it how all my friends start out with then by the 2nd week complete forget.

[aloneatlastnj]

Deth is in the keeper league.

Need 1 more.

Steelo, don't apply.

did matt (jetstolehome) take back his spot? either way, i'll take the spot.

[Killadelphia]

did matt (jetstolehome) take back his spot? either way, i'll take the spot.

I gave deth matt's team. You want the other team?

[aloneatlastnj]

I gave deth matt's team. You want the other team?

hahaha yeah. i edited my post after you quoted, but i said i'll take the spot regardless.

[Killadelphia]

hahaha yeah. i edited my post after you quoted, but i said i'll take the spot regardless.

pm me your e-mail.

[Scott Weber]

didn't pand want a keeper spot? did he get one? he deserves it, he asked a long ass time ago and he's an active member/player.

[Killadelphia]

didn't pand want a keeper spot? did he get one? he deserves it, he asked a long ass time ago and he's an active member/player.

Yeah, weeks ago.

[pand75]

yeah i've got it.

[startBBtoday]

we figured anything out for the pay league yet?

[aloneatlastnj]

wow, whose team did i inherit? their outfield and pitching were kinda bad hahaha. how many do i keep?

[Chris M.]

wow, whose team did i inherit? their outfield and pitching were kinda bad hahaha. how many do i keep?

You probably got Rob Carlson's team and we keep 4.

[aloneatlastnj]

You probably got Rob Carlson's team and we keep 4.

ah ok. thanks, man. i should've assumed it was his since there were so many mets haha.

[Killadelphia]

ah ok. thanks, man. i should've assumed it was his since there were so many mets haha.

lol, yep. At least you have Mauer.

[aloneatlastnj]

lol, yep. At least you have Mauer.

hahaha yeah. other than mauer and longoria this team is a MESS.

[CubbyNick42]

I'd take Jeff Weaver and Carlos Silva if half my keepers were Longo and Mauer.

[softhands]

I want in on the free league.

[Killadelphia]

I'd take Jeff Weaver and Carlos Silva if half my keepers were Longo and Mauer.

not to mention he also has Pedroia, Ethier, Wright, Jimenez, and even Cain

so you know Corey, OBP is a stat category.

[CubbyNick42]

Mauer, Longo, Wright, Pedroia. Done. That's pretty fucking beast.

[Killadelphia]

Yeah, Rob's team was actually in 4th last year.

[Chris M.]

Those aren't bad keepers at all. I'd rather have them than Tulo, Howard, Cliff Lee and Kershaw which is what I have.