Sarah Palin and her hand notes

[ToMyBetterAngel]

Everyone I know thinks Sarah Palin is a complete idiot, and her recent use of "notes" scrawled on her hand at the national tea party convention last week only convinces them more of this.

I don't like her, but I don't think Sarah Palin is completely stupid. She knows that she could be running for president in 2012, and that every single thing she does will be scrutinized in the media. Therefore, I can't imagine that she would write 7 simple words (1 crossed out) on her hand that any politician (even Sarah Palin) could easily remember.

This is why I can't stand when people tell me "look how rediculous Sarah Palin is, she has to rely on notes written on her hand". She doesn't need the notes. She does these kind of things that draw media attention intentionally, and people who call her out for being stupid are acting exactly how she and her advisors expect them to. And her supporters that see her as an average woman and "one of them" are only emboldened by the overreaction of her liberal opposers who scrutinize her every move.

Politicians and their advisors may be a lot of the negative things that people claim they are, but they for the most part are extremely good at manipulating the masses, whether the mases are supporters or critics of said politicians. People should keep in mind that behind every stupid thing Sarah Palin does or says, there could be a motive, and an expected reaction from the observer of that action.

In my opinion.

[Brand-new-123]

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[J.C.]

No, she really is as stupid as she comes off. It's not some Andy Kaufman gimmick.

[GeeBee]

I can only hope she'll run for president in 2012. No easier way to ensure an outright Dem win or at least a spoiler for the conservative side.

[nerdvglc]

stop talking about sarah palin and she will go away!!!

[Kbm600]

I just thought the notes thing was ridiculous when she ridiculed Obama for using teleprompters. Sort of the same deal, right?

stop talking about sarah palin and she will go away!!!

If you let roaches invade your house and allow them to go wild and ignore them, will they eventually go away?

[Machu505]

So dumb.

[ToMyBetterAngel]

I just thought the notes thing was ridiculous when she ridiculed Obama for using teleprompters. Sort of the same deal, right?



If you let roaches invade your house and allow them to go wild and ignore them, will they eventually go away?


Don't you think it might be a little too coincidental and too obvious that she criticized Obama for using a teleprompter while having notes scrawled on her hands in plain sight? She did this intentionally knowing what the consequences and reactions would be.

[J.C.]

Don't you think it might be a little too coincidental and too obvious that she criticized Obama for using a teleprompter while having notes scrawled on her hands in plain sight?

Her obliviousness is genuine and well documented.

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[Praetor]

If it was like a specific statistic, or percentage or date or something then I would simply shake my head, disapprove, and forget about it. But really, this is what you were having trouble remembering?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/02/0207_sarah_palin_ap.jpg

[1.8Nate]

Don't you think it might be a little too coincidental and too obvious that she criticized Obama for using a teleprompter while having notes scrawled on her hands in plain sight? She did this intentionally knowing what the consequences and reactions would be.
You give her too much credit.

[jwicklun]

Everyone I know thinks Sarah Palin is a complete idiot, and her recent use of "notes" scrawled on her hand at the national tea party convention last week only convinces them more of this.

I don't like her, but I don't think Sarah Palin is completely stupid. She knows that she could be running for president in 2012, and that every single thing she does will be scrutinized in the media. Therefore, I can't imagine that she would write 7 simple words (1 crossed out) on her hand that any politician (even Sarah Palin) could easily remember.

This is why I can't stand when people tell me "look how rediculous Sarah Palin is, she has to rely on notes written on her hand". She doesn't need the notes. She does these kind of things that draw media attention intentionally, and people who call her out for being stupid are acting exactly how she and her advisors expect them to. And her supporters that see her as an average woman and "one of them" are only emboldened by the overreaction of her liberal opposers who scrutinize her every move.

Politicians and their advisors may be a lot of the negative things that people claim they are, but they for the most part are extremely good at manipulating the masses, whether the mases are supporters or critics of said politicians. People should keep in mind that behind every stupid thing Sarah Palin does or says, there could be a motive, and an expected reaction from the observer of that action.

In my opinion.
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[ToMyBetterAngel]

You give her too much credit.

As far as I know, Palin has never used hand notes before. As far as I know, Palin has never criticized Obama for using a telemprompter before. So the day she decides to blast Obama for using a teleprompter she whips out the hand notes? Hand notes aren't even practical, and are 100% likely to get noticed by the media. Even if Palin overlooked this the people who advise her and tell her what to say wouldn't.

I know Palin bashing is great fun but this is just too coincidental to not be planned.

[Praetor]

As far as I know, Palin has never used hand notes before. As far as I know, Palin has never criticized Obama for using a telemprompter before. So the day she decides to blast Obama for using a teleprompter she whips out the hand notes? Hand notes aren't even practical, and are 100% likely to get noticed by the media. Even if Palin overlooked this the people who advise her and tell her what to say wouldn't.

I know Palin bashing is great fun but this is just too coincidental to not be planned.

You're done. This is wrong for multiple reasons and I'm not going to waste my time pointing out all the reasons why. Try reading the news every once in a while.

[ToMyBetterAngel]

You're done. This is wrong for multiple reasons and I'm not going to waste my time pointing out all the reasons why. Try reading the news every once in a while.

Ok, so I assume that you are more well informed than I and that Palin has used hand notes before and has also criticized Obama for using a teleprompter before. That's fine. Does my original argument not make any sense? Could there have been no ulterior motive to Sarah Palin using hand notes?

[whenyourearound]

There is no way in hell she'll win in 2012.

[jwicklun]

thats fucking retarded.

[Machu505]

The GOP has criticized his use of teleprompters many, many times before.

[Praetor]

Ok, so I assume that you are more well informed than I and that Palin has used hand notes before and has also criticized Obama for using a teleprompter before. That's fine. Does my original argument not make any sense? Could there have been no ulterior motive to Sarah Palin using hand notes?
I have no knowledge of Sarah Palin ever using hand notes for a public speech before. However, Sarah Palin specifically and the GOP generally have made Obama's use of a teleprompter somewhat of a running joke.

And no, your argument doesn't make sense. She's gonna write on her hand and intentionally look dumb to make herself look more presidential? I mean shit, are you even trying to be coherent?

[ToMyBetterAngel]

I have no knowledge of Sarah Palin ever using hand notes for a public speech before. However, Sarah Palin specifically and the GOP generally have made Obama's use of a teleprompter somewhat of a running joke.

And no, your argument doesn't make sense. She's gonna write on her hand and intentionally look dumb to make herself look more presidential? I mean shit, are you even trying to be coherent?

That is not the argument I made. My argument is that Sarah Palin does and says some (not all) of the perceived stupid things she does to gain media attention and keep herself in the political spotlight. She wants her image to be that of a relatable conservative American, thus the use of the hand notes, suggesting she is not perfect and resorts to methods that some common people use when giving a speech or lecture. At the same time, I am suggesting that Palin knew her hand notes would be seen as stupid and ridiculed by many, and would drive her supporters to defend her and create controversy.

[Machu505]

No, she really is that dumb.

[whenyourearound]

The GOP has criticized his use of teleprompters many, many times before.

I thought almost everyone used teleprompters? :shrug:

[Machu505]

I thought almost everyone used teleprompters? :shrug:

Every president since Nixon has, at least.

[GeeBee]

That is not the argument I made. My argument is that Sarah Palin does and says some (not all) of the perceived stupid things she does to gain media attention and keep herself in the political spotlight. She wants her image to be that of a relatable conservative American, thus the use of the hand notes, suggesting she is not perfect and resorts to methods that some common people use when giving a speech or lecture. At the same time, I am suggesting that Palin knew her hand notes would be seen as stupid and ridiculed by many, and would drive her supporters to defend her and create controversy.

Again...you're giving her too much credit. She's proven how air-headed she is too many times before for anyone to believe she's in a well-orchestrated plan to garner media-attention, which she already gets anyway.

Your theory is silly, and frankly, you're a tad uninformed.

Say not shit else.

[whenyourearound]

Every president since Nixon has, at least.

Exactly what I thought. I don't know why the GOP are shvitzing about it then.

[Praetor]

That is not the argument I made. My argument is that Sarah Palin does and says some (not all) of the perceived stupid things she does to gain media attention and keep herself in the political spotlight. She wants her image to be that of a relatable conservative American, thus the use of the hand notes, suggesting she is not perfect and resorts to methods that some common people use when giving a speech or lecture. At the same time, I am suggesting that Palin knew her hand notes would be seen as stupid and ridiculed by many, and would drive her supporters to defend her and create controversy.
Driving her supporters to defend her even more is not really how you win elections/gain support. The people who support her do very much so and always will, the people who can't stand her do so and always will. Writing some shit on your hand will not change that polarizing dynamic. You are reading much too into this. Use your brain.

[GeeBee]

I thought almost everyone used teleprompters? :shrug:

Every president since Nixon has, at least.

Nobody, not even Fred fucking Rogers could do any monologue longer than 3 sentences without a prompter. It's a non-issue.

[Charles777]

She's so obviously stupid, and yet there are still people who follow her. "You're all just scared of a strong woman with family values!" "She's a maverick!"

[crackedthesky]

I don't have a problem with Sarah Palin using hand notes.
I have a problem with Sarah Palin being a bitch about other people using teleprompters (when she herself has) and then scribbling things on her hand.
Especially when said things were as basic as "taxes."

[ambulance]

That is not the argument I made. My argument is that Sarah Palin does and says some (not all) of the perceived stupid things she does to gain media attention and keep herself in the political spotlight. She wants her image to be that of a relatable conservative American, thus the use of the hand notes, suggesting she is not perfect and resorts to methods that some common people use when giving a speech or lecture. At the same time, I am suggesting that Palin knew her hand notes would be seen as stupid and ridiculed by many, and would drive her supporters to defend her and create controversy.


How is looking stupid, becoming relatable to conservative Americans (stupid ones albeit), going to win her an election. She has to appeal to more than a small sliver of the conservative base to do that. You're a moron.

[Villanova1L]

If you let roaches invade your house and allow them to go wild and ignore them, will they eventually go away?
^
Unbelievably stupid.

Sarah Palin might be as retarded as her son, but the people runnin her political career aren't. They wouldn't have allowed her on stage with notes on her hand unless it was calculated.

[GeeBee]

^
Unbelievably stupid.

Sarah Palin might be as retarded as her son, but the people runnin her political career aren't. They wouldn't have allowed her on stage with notes on her hand unless it was calculated.

Give me a break, man. I'm really tired of people like you lending credence to conspiracies that would take far more brains than anyone in her circle has.

It wasn't coordinated. It wasn't planned. She's a moron. Period.

[Machu505]

You guys are really giving the Teabaggers too much credit.

[<*)))><]

Give me a break, man. I'm really tired of people like you lending credence to conspiracies that would take far more brains than anyone in her circle has.

It wasn't coordinated. It wasn't planned. She's a moron. Period.
You really don't under stand politics.

[GeeBee]

You really don't under stand politics.

I'll see your ass by the flagpole, bitch.

[Villanova1L]

Give me a break, man. I'm really tired of people like you lending credence to conspiracies that would take far more brains than anyone in her circle has.

It wasn't coordinated. It wasn't planned. She's a moron. Period.

"People like me?" Registered Democrats who work on campaigns for Democrats?

People are clouded by their hate of Palin. She is NOT this stupid. Also, EVEN IF SHE IS, the people around her aren't. Look at her past advisors, they're all veterans in Washington. She's back in the headlines that's how it starts. We are so far from the election that this will be COMPLETELY forgotten. The point is to get her back in front of the American public, good or bad, for now.

[Villanova1L]

You guys are really giving the Teabaggers too much credit.

I'll teabag you.

/obligatory

[GeeBee]

"People like me?" Registered Democrats who work on campaigns for Democrats?

People are clouded by their hate of Palin. She is NOT this stupid. Also, EVEN IF SHE IS, the people around her aren't. Look at her past advisors, they're all veterans in Washington. She's back in the headlines that's how it starts. We are so far from the election that this will be COMPLETELY forgotten. The point is to get her back in front of the American public, good or bad, for now.

No, "people like you" meaning people who are insisting this was a calculated blunder. What purpose would it serve? You've yet to put forth what benefit she gains from looking like a moron.

Also, if what you're saying is true, all her claims about Obama being a "celebrity" go right out the window. If one follows your theory to its logical conclusion, it's her losing tons of credibility.

[Villanova1L]

No, "people like you" meaning people who are insisting this was a calculated blunder. What purpose would it serve? You've yet to put forth what benefit she gains from looking like a moron.

Also, if what you're saying is true, all her claims about Obama being a "celebrity" go right out the window. If one follows your theory to its logical conclusion, it's her losing tons of credibility.

Benefits:
1. Her being discussed AS A CANDIDATE. Every time this issue comes up people say, what if this happened if she was President/VP.
2. Her base having another reason to defend her. The people that like her will LOVE her for something like this. "She's just like me." Say what you will about those people, but they'll eat this shit up.

Losses:
1. Um... I guess liberals who think she's retarded will say, "Told ya!"
2. You think independents will remember this come primary season? Maybe some educated voters will, sadly voters aren't educated.

You're yet to explain how someone who has given HUNDREDS of speeches picked her first very public speech in a long time to make this big of an error. I'm sure her stylist, speech writer, etc simply assumed she was going to wash her hands before she went up there. Give me a break.

This is just like Glenn Beck saying something inflammatory to get people talking. Or Chad Ocho Cinco changing his name. Yes a politician depends more on public opinion, but she only alienated people who already hate her.

[Yellowcard2006]

What a fool, lol

[GeeBee]

Benefits:
1. Her being discussed AS A CANDIDATE. Every time this issue comes up people say, what if this happened if she was President/VP.
2. Her base having another reason to defend her. The people that like her will LOVE her for something like this. "She's just like me." Say what you will about those people, but they'll eat this shit up.

Losses:
1. Um... I guess liberals who think she's retarded will say, "Told ya!"
2. You think independents will remember this come primary season? Maybe some educated voters will, sadly voters aren't educated.

You're yet to explain how someone who has given HUNDREDS of speeches picked her first very public speech in a long time to make this big of an error. I'm sure her stylist, speech writer, etc simply assumed she was going to wash her hands before she went up there. Give me a break.

This is just like Glenn Beck saying something inflammatory to get people talking. Or Chad Ocho Cinco changing his name. Yes a politician depends more on public opinion, but she only alienated people who already hate her.

I'm not saying it's totally out of the realm of possibility, but for some reason, it smacks of a conspiracy theory. I guess time will tell.

[Villanova1L]

I'm not saying it's totally out of the realm of possibility, but for some reason, it smacks of a conspiracy theory. I guess time will tell.

Is very different from...

Is very different from, "It wasn't coordinated. It wasn't planned. She's a moron. Period."

Just sayin.

[cory-182]

Doesn't Obama use a teleprompter more than any other president has?

[re7ard1337]

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she is obviously some sort of mastermind. she acts dumb so she can steal the worlds most expensive diamond.

[<*)))><]

I'll see your ass by the flagpole, bitch.
I see I'm not the only person who read the guide to trolling, rule #4 impressive.

[Machu505]

Doesn't Obama use a teleprompter more than any other president has?

Doubtful. But let me ask you, when a person is on TV as much as he is, what better way is there to give a speech? Why does using a teleprompter reflect poorly on him?

[xshady121]

You guys are really giving the Teabaggers too much credit.

You shuold know better than to use such an epithet.


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[cory-182]

Doubtful. But let me ask you, when a person is on TV as much as he is, what better way is there to give a speech? Why does using a teleprompter reflect poorly on him?

He's a very good orator. But why hate on Palin for writing a few words down on her hand (regardless of her motive), when Obama has been hated on for over relying on a screen?

[Machu505]

You shuold know better than to use such an epithet.


edit http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/to-teabag-or-not-thats-still-the-question-for-conservatives.php
I know I should, but it just makes me giggle too much.

[xshady121]

I know I should, but it just makes me giggle too much.

I'm sure using the n word makes a few white supremists giggle, or saying "gay" makes a few guys giggle, but that doesn't mean any of those are acceptable terms.

[Machu505]

He's a very good orator. But why hate on Palin for writing a few words down on her hand (regardless of her motive), when Obama has been hated on for over relying on a screen?
Because while she's ridiculing the president for using a teleprompter, she's using a method that most 9-year-olds use. She didn't even do a good job at doing it nonchalantly either.

I wouldn't calling it over-relying on a screen either. It's the same thing as having a speech on paper right at the podium, just it's under a camera.

[1.8Nate]

He's a very good orator. But why hate on Palin for writing a few words down on her hand (regardless of her motive), when Obama has been hated on for over relying on a screen?
For some reason using a teleprompter and writing words like "tax" and "lift American spirits" on your hand with a pen just strike me as two different things.

[Machu505]

I'm sure using the n word makes a few white supremists giggle, or saying "gay" makes a few guys giggle, but that doesn't mean any of those are acceptable terms.
Right, because "Teabagger" has been used to restrict the rights of minorities.

Understand that the giggle comment was a joke. I'm not going to get all PC with such a ridiculous movement.

[cory-182]

For some reason using a teleprompter and writing words like "tax" and "lift American spirits" on your hand with a pen just strike me as two different things.

Yeah. You're right. Palin writes a few words down as reminders. Obama just reads his entire speech. Yep. You're right.

[xshady121]

Right, because "Teabagger" has been used to restrict the rights of minorities.

Understand that the giggle comment was a joke. I'm not going to get all PC with such a ridiculous movement.

Offensive name is offensive.

[1.8Nate]

Yeah. You're right. Palin writes a few words down as reminders. Obama just reads his entire speech. Yep. You're right.
Obama reads his speeches just like every president has done since the teleprompter has been around. It's a non-issue.

Palin gives a speech to the Teabag Party in Nashville and has to write shit down on her palm? Come on now. Seems to me like she was too scared to use a teleprompter out of fear of being ridiculed for hypocrisy.

[paper halo]

Yeah. You're right. Palin writes a few words down as reminders. Obama just reads his entire speech. Yep. You're right.

Why do you even come into the politics section? You just succeed in making yourself look more of a tool with each post.

Read this carefully so no one has to repeat it: People are annoyed by her hypocrisy.

[1.8Nate]

Offensive name is offensive.
An offensive name is offensive, especially when they gave it to themselves (as cited by *your* link).

[whenyourearound]

Yeah. You're right. Palin writes a few words down as reminders. Obama just reads his entire speech. Yep. You're right.

What Palin did was unprofessional. Do you really expect Obama to memorize an entire hour and a half speech? yeahh didn't think so.

[xshady121]

Obama reads his speeches just like every president has done since the teleprompter has been around. It's a non-issue.

Palin gives a speech to the Teabag Party in Nashville and has to write shit down on her palm? Come on now. Seems to me like she was too scared to use a teleprompter out of fear of being ridiculed for hypocrisy.

In fairness, the words on her palm were just "Budget Cuts, Raise american spirits, and " something else. Those 5 words didn't help her give a speech.

[Machu505]

Offensive name is offensive.
Next time you hear a communist called a pinko, do me a favor and flip out on whoever said it.

[xshady121]

An offensive name is offensive, especially when they gave it to themselves (as cited by *your* link).

No they didn't.

Where did it say that?

[xshady121]

Next time you hear a communist called a pinko, do me a favor and flip out on whoever said it.

I have actually never heard that term before. Ever.

[1.8Nate]

No they didn't.

Where did it say that?
From your first link:

The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was "Tea Bag the Fools in D.C." A protester was spotted with a sign saying, "Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You." So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/to-teabag-or-not-thats-still-the-question-for-conservatives.php

[xshady121]

From your first link:


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/to-teabag-or-not-thats-still-the-question-for-conservatives.php

That isn't them calling themselves tea baggers. Try again.

[1.8Nate]

That isn't them calling themselves tea baggers. Try again.
One who promotes and partakes in the act of "Tea Bagging" would in fact be a "Teabagger". Is a person who sings not a singer?

[ToMyBetterAngel]

Driving her supporters to defend her even more is not really how you win elections/gain support. The people who support her do very much so and always will, the people who can't stand her do so and always will. Writing some shit on your hand will not change that polarizing dynamic. You are reading much too into this. Use your brain.

I agree, a few notes scribbled on her hand is not the "polarizing dynamic". It is part of a larger effort to get Palin in the public spotlight. A guy a few pages back put it better than I can, go look at his argument.

Sarah Palin has a team of speech writers and advisers and there is no way something like this could not be planned.

This isn't a conspiracy theory or anything of the sort. Politicians just work like this, they know their actions and the things they say will be heavily scrutinized. It wouldn't make sense for them to not plan their actions and the way they present themselves, not with the future presidency at stake.

[xshady121]

One who promotes and partakes in the act of "Tea Bagging" would in fact be a "Teabagger". Is a person who sings not a singer?

You know it doesn't work like that in this case. I trust you're bright enough to know why.

[Machu505]

Don't you just love it when someone like Sarah Palin does something so stupid that people literally don't believe it?

[Machu505]

One who promotes and partakes in the act of "Tea Bagging" would in fact be a "Teabagger". Is a person who sings not a singer?

I'm not going to cover it up with a bullshit excuse like this. I call them "teabaggers" to ridicule them.

[1.8Nate]

You know it doesn't work like that in this case. I trust you're bright enough to know why.
Regardless, I think it's pathetic that they're trying to play the "poor us, we want everything to be politically correct!" card after the names that the left receives on a daily basis. IE: "communist", "socialist", "fascist", etc... not to mention the racial slurs.

Wah wah wah.

[xshady121]

Don't you just love it when someone like Sarah Palin something so stupid that people literally don't believe it?

The political scientist in me thinks it might be planned. I mean, her advisors are honestly the dumbest people on the planet, so nothing is out of the realm of possibility. I mean, resigning the governorship in order to focus on her national persona? Seriously?

The common sense in me says she is this dumb.

Either way, she's dumb for either thing-- doing it on accident or doing it on the advice of advisors.

[1.8Nate]

I'm not going to cover it up with a bullshit excuse like this. I call them "teabaggers" to ridicule them.
I agree, I think it's hilarious. I was just pointing out that the name came from something they, themselves, started.

[xshady121]

Regardless, I think it's pathetic that they're trying to play the "poor us, we want everything to be politically correct!" card after the names that the left receives on a daily basis. IE: "communist", "socialist", "fascist", etc... not to mention the racial slurs.

Wah wah wah.

Yeah, I get you. Blanket generalities. Two wrongs make a right. I totally get your position.

[1.8Nate]

Yeah, I get you. Blanket generalities. Two wrongs make a right. I totally get your position.
Teabagger ≠ racial slurs.

[xshady121]

Teabagger ≠ racial slurs.

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware "communist" was a racial slur.

[1.8Nate]

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware "communist" was a racial slur.
It's not, but the "n" word is.

[Machu505]

The political scientist in me thinks it might be planned. I mean, her advisors are honestly the dumbest people on the planet, so nothing is out of the realm of possibility. I mean, resigning the governorship in order to focus on her national persona? Seriously?

The common sense in me says she is this dumb.

Either way, she's dumb for either thing-- doing it on accident or doing it on the advice of advisors.

Her advisors may be seriously stupid, but I'm sure if an idea like that was brought up in a meeting, someone must have just stood up and said "Ok, ok, ok. We aren't this retarded."

And I'm 100% sure they would have used that word.

[xshady121]

It's not, but the "n" word is.

And it's offensive, is it not?

As is the term "retarted" , as is the term "gay", as might be the term "communist" (in reference to liberals), as is the term "teabagger".

Your point?

[xshady121]

Her advisors may be seriously stupid, but I'm sure if an idea like that was brought up in a meeting, someone must have just stood up and said "Ok, ok, ok. We aren't this retarded."

And I'm 100% sure they would have used that word.

This was her first public speech since the election season was it not?

[Machu505]

This was her first public speech since the election season was it not?
She gave a speech when she resigned the governorship, which was widely lol'd at.

[1.8Nate]

And it's offensive, is it not?

As is the term "retarted" , as is the term "gay", as might be the term "communist" (in reference to liberals), as is the term "teabagger".

Your point?
This whole ordeal where you're trying to equate the term "teabagger" with a word like "n*****" is just weak. Everything is not on some equal plane of offensiveness.

Once the "teabaggers" are oppressed as a population, have their rights stripped of them, and are treated like they aren't human beings, THEN you can come here and whine about the political correctness to us.

[xshady121]

She gave a speech when she resigned the governorship, which was widely lol'd at.

I meant like a public speech. Like a rally or some other thing.

I'm 90% sure I remember hearing she was refusing to give speeches for a while and this was touted as her first one in a long time.

[xshady121]

This whole ordeal where you're trying to equate the term "teabagger" with a word like "n*****" is just weak. Everything is not on some equal plane of offensiveness.

Once the "teabaggers" are oppressed as a population, have their rights stripped of them, and are treated like they aren't human beings, THEN you can come here and whine about the political correctness to us.

I like how you ignore all of my post and focus on one little part of it. It's kind of cute really.

Offensive terms are offensive. There's no varying degree of offensiveness. It's black or white. If someone is going to be offended by the name you're giving them, then don't say it.

[Machu505]

I meant like a public speech. Like a rally or some other thing.

I'm 90% sure I remember hearing she was refusing to give speeches for a while and this was touted as her first one in a long time.
I have no clue then. She also gave one to some businesspeople in Hong Kong, but cameras weren't allowed in.

[xshady121]

I have no clue then. She also gave one to some businesspeople in Hong Kong, but cameras weren't allowed in.

If it was her first open speech, I can see it both ways.

It could be a blunder from not being used to giving public speeches or it could be a political ploy.

Either way, she needs new staff pronto. I usually don't like working with campaigns like this, but at this point I'm tempted to fax her my resume and tell her I'll do her PR/strategizing for free.

[1.8Nate]

I like how you ignore all of my post and focus on one little part of it. It's kind of cute really.

Offensive terms are offensive. There's no varying degree of offensiveness. It's black or white. If someone is going to be offended by the name you're giving them, then don't say it.
And again, a term they coined for themselves. The left just ran with it.

And there are varying degrees of offensiveness. If you are offended by being called a "stupidhead" to the same level of being called a "dumb piece of shit who's mom should've pulled out and swallowed" (for example), then you are just whining and begging your case.

[xshady121]

And again, a term they coined for themselves. The left just ran with it.
I wasn't aware one protester at an event speaks for an entire group. If that is the case, then the republican party (as a whole) must really believe that obama, reid, and pelosi are hitler reincarnated.

What? Politics doesn't work like that? One protester doesn't speak for the whole? Surely you jest.

[xshady121]

In the same vein, since one person speaks for the group, that means a black person that calls him self a "n" word suddenly allows for (the group) to be called that.

It doesn't work like that? Why not?

[Machu505]

If I began calling them reactionaries would I be shat upon?

[1.8Nate]

I wasn't aware one protester at an event speaks for an entire group. If that is the case, then the republican party (as a whole) must really believe that obama, reid, and pelosi are hitler reincarnated.

What? Politics doesn't work like that? One protester doesn't speak for the whole? Surely you jest.
One protester? The Teabag Party called for an organized event where they wanted people to mail bags of tea to the oval office. (again, cited by your link)

Did you even read the link you posted?

[whenyourearound]

so how was everyones day?

[xshady121]

One protester? The Teabag Party called for an organized event where they wanted people to mail bags of tea to the oval office. (again, cited by your link)

Did you even read the link you posted?

I fail to make the connection between "mailing in a tea bag" and "teabagging".

The tea party movement started as a way to "symbolize" to Boston Tea Party. The actoin you described above reminds me a lot more of that than "teabagging". The only reference to "tea bagging" (as a verb) is the one sign by a protester.

[1.8Nate]

I fail to make the connection between "mailing in a tea bag" and "teabagging".
lol.

They're the ones saying "Tea Bag the Dems!! rabble rabble rabble". Not hard to make the connection of where that came from.

[xshady121]

lol.


The tea party movement started as a way to "symbolize" to Boston Tea Party. The actoin you described above reminds me a lot more of that than "teabagging". The only reference to "tea bagging" (as a verb) is the one sign by a protester.

[apoemtothedead]

Everyone I know thinks Sarah Palin is a complete idiot, and her recent use of "notes" scrawled on her hand at the national tea party convention last week only convinces them more of this.

I don't like her, but I don't think Sarah Palin is completely stupid. She knows that she could be running for president in 2012, and that every single thing she does will be scrutinized in the media. Therefore, I can't imagine that she would write 7 simple words (1 crossed out) on her hand that any politician (even Sarah Palin) could easily remember.

This is why I can't stand when people tell me "look how rediculous Sarah Palin is, she has to rely on notes written on her hand". She doesn't need the notes. She does these kind of things that draw media attention intentionally, and people who call her out for being stupid are acting exactly how she and her advisors expect them to. And her supporters that see her as an average woman and "one of them" are only emboldened by the overreaction of her liberal opposers who scrutinize her every move.

Politicians and their advisors may be a lot of the negative things that people claim they are, but they for the most part are extremely good at manipulating the masses, whether the mases are supporters or critics of said politicians. People should keep in mind that behind every stupid thing Sarah Palin does or says, there could be a motive, and an expected reaction from the observer of that action.

In my opinion.
sup chris

[1.8Nate]

The tea party movement started as a way to "symbolize" to Boston Tea Party. The actoin you described above reminds me a lot more of that than "teabagging". The only reference to "tea bagging" (as a verb) is the one sign by a protester.
Anybody would take that and run with it, don't even lie to yourself. It was too good to pass up.

[xshady121]

One protester? The Teabag Party called for an organized event where they wanted people to mail bags of tea to the oval office. (again, cited by your link)

Did you even read the link you posted?

I also like that you changed your story from this post, where you quote this line

A protester was spotted with a sign saying, "Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You." So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=61823571#post61823 571

Now. I haven't taken a intro to english class in a while, but I'm pretty sure "a protester" is singular.

[xshady121]

Anybody would take that and run with it, don't even lie to yourself. It was too good to pass up.

Mailing in a tea bag is a symbolic boston tea party. Any rational person would associate that act with the tea party and not the lewd act of tea bagging. Quit trying to rationalize your hatred for a group on wordplay that very few people would make.

[1.8Nate]

I also like that you changed your story from this post, where you quote this line



http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=61823571#post61823 571

Now. I haven't taken a intro to english class in a while, but I'm pretty sure "a protester" is singular.
Do I really have to spell everything out for you? Use your head.

The party encouraged people to send bags of tea to the oval office, thus being coined the act of "tea bagging". It was a collective effort.

[xshady121]

Do I really have to spell everything out for you? Use your head.

The party encouraged people to send bags of tea to the oval office, thus being coined the act of "tea bagging". It was a collective effort.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=61828011#post61828 011

[1.8Nate]

Mailing in a tea bag is a symbolic boston tea party. Any rational person would associate that act with the tea party and not the lewd act of tea bagging. Quit trying to rationalize your hatred for a group on wordplay that very few people would make.
Again, the "Teabaggers" would not exist if it hadn't been for the party itself. They're even trying to decide if they want to embrace it or not. So apparently their asses aren't as hurt as yours.

[xshady121]

Again, the "Teabaggers" would not exist if it hadn't been for the party itself. They're even trying to decide if they want to embrace it or not. So apparently their asses aren't as hurt as yours.

To say my ass is hurt is mistaken on your part. I'm not a member of the movement and am not a registered republican, so you're way off base in that regard.

Now, if you want to say that you associate the mailing of a tea bag (n) to the act of teabagging (v) than you sir are an idiot. Most rational humans wouldn't either. The exception doesn't make the rule.

[whenyourearound]

so how bout that sarah palin chick...

[apoemtothedead]

I love the tea party and hope they put candidates into the 2010 and 2012 elections. Democrats would win with 40% of the vote all over the country.

[ToMyBetterAngel]

sup chris

Oh damn, been a while Mark.

Might have been a mistake to start a political discussion on this site...

[xshady121]

I love the tea party and hope they put candidates into the 2010 and 2012 elections. Democrats would win with 40% of the vote all over the country.

You do know that the tea party movement isn't an actual political party right? You must be mistaken, because that is by far the dumbest statement I've read on here in a long, long time.

Democrats are going to have trouble in 2010 (and possibly 2012). It's a fact.

[apoemtothedead]

You do know that the tea party movement isn't an actual political party right? You must be mistaken, because that is by far the dumbest statement I've read on here in a long, long time.

Democrats are going to have trouble in 2010 (and possibly 2012). It's a fact.
You do know that all political parties (and practically all forms of institution) started from smaller movements, right? Or did god create the Republican and Democratic party and they always have been?

[1.8Nate]

To say my ass is hurt is mistaken on your part. I'm not a member of the movement and am not a registered republican, so you're way off base in that regard.

Now, if you want to say that you associate the mailing of a tea bag (n) to the act of teabagging (v) than you sir are an idiot. Most rational humans wouldn't either. The exception doesn't make the rule.
Haha no, but when a "group" of people is mailing tea bags to the oval office, obviously our generation is going to poke fun at that (especially with the help of the Teabaggers themselves).

Bottom line: get the fuck over it, there are worse things than the term "Teabagger". Especially since the right has thrown out far worse words this past year than that (whether or not you want to admit it to yourself, doesn't really matter).

[xshady121]

You do know that all political parties (and practically all forms of institution) started from smaller movements, right? Or did god create the Republican and Democratic party and they always have been?

Yeah, you proved it. Thanks.

The tea party movement has no political clout outside of the small group of neocons that get together and don't realize the irony of the words they're saying. Their supporters barely speak for a majority of the republican party, so to suggest they (the republican party) would be foolish enough to allow one of those nutjobs to run for any sort of substantial office is ridiculous on your part.

[xshady121]

Haha no, but when a "group" of people is mailing tea bags to the oval office, obviously our generation is going to poke fun at that (especially with the help of the Teabaggers themselves).
So did our generation give them the term now? Is that what you're trying to say? You're jumping around too much to make any sort of coherent thought.




Bottom line: get the fuck over it, there are worse things than the term "Teabagger". Especially since the right has thrown out far worse words this past year than that (whether or not you want to admit it to yourself, doesn't really matter).

Here lies the good ol' "two wrongs make a right" line that you love to trot out.

[ToMyBetterAngel]

Yeah, you proved it. Thanks.

The tea party movement has no political clout outside of the small group of neocons that get together and don't realize the irony of the words they're saying. Their supporters barely speak for a majority of the republican party, so to suggest they (the republican party) would be foolish enough to allow one of those nutjobs to run for any sort of substantial office is ridiculous on your part.

Islanders suck!

[1.8Nate]

Yeah, you proved it. Thanks.

The tea party movement has no political clout outside of the small group of neocons that get together and don't realize the irony of the words they're saying. Their supporters barely speak for a majority of the republican party, so to suggest they (the republican party) would be foolish enough to allow one of those nutjobs to run for any sort of substantial office is ridiculous on your part.
So who's Sarah Palin then?

[xshady121]

So who's Sarah Palin then?

Someone who isn't going to get nominated for any public office again.

[whenyourearound]

Someone who isn't going to get nominated for any public office again.

true that sister

[apoemtothedead]

Yeah, you proved it. Thanks.

The tea party movement has no political clout outside of the small group of neocons that get together and don't realize the irony of the words they're saying. Their supporters barely speak for a majority of the republican party, so to suggest they (the republican party) would be foolish enough to allow one of those nutjobs to run for any sort of substantial office is ridiculous on your part.
I was unaware that the republican party controlled who ran for office. What's to stop someone who is currently out of office, say a Tom Tancredo (he certainly won't be getting a republican nod), from running as an independent tea party candidate in 2012? Or people in local elections to run as tea partiers?

[1.8Nate]

So did our generation give them the term now? Is that what you're trying to say? You're jumping around too much to make any sort of coherent thought.



Here lies the good ol' "two wrongs make a right" line that you love to trot out.
Once again, they coined the term and the left ran with it. I swear i won't repeat that again.

And if you haven't noticed, I don't give a fuck about the "two wrongs don't make a right" term in this specific case. Because the name calling has been ridiculously profound in the right wing. They can get the fuck over it if they're trying to play the "politically correct" card now.

[x togepi x]

equating hate speech (gay, ******, retarded) with political satirical speech is fucking stupid.

[xshady121]

I was unaware that the republican party controlled who ran for office. What's to stop someone who is currently out of office, say a Tom Tancredo (he certainly won't be getting a republican nod), from running as an independent tea party candidate in 2012? Or people in local elections to run as tea partiers?

By run, I meant be the nominee. If you think someone associated with this movement will be the nominee for any sort of legitimate national race, you're crazy.

[xshady121]

Once again, they coined the term and the left ran with it. I swear i won't repeat that again.
That's false.


And if you haven't noticed, I don't give a fuck about the "two wrongs don't make a right" term in this specific case. Because the name calling has been ridiculously profound in the right wing. They can get the fuck over it if they're trying to play the "politically correct" card now.
Classy boss.

[xshady121]

equating hate speech (gay, ******, retarded) with political satirical speech is fucking stupid.

Yeah, political correctness is only cool when it serves you, right?

[1.8Nate]

That's false.


Classy boss.
I'm not trying to look "classy" to the guy with a political science degree from Boston. hahaha.

Yeah, political correctness is only cool when it serves you, right?
No, you just can't seem to comprehend the difference between satire and racial slurs/hate speech. Use that degree of yours son, I'm sure you worked hard for it!

[apoemtothedead]

By run, I meant be the nominee. If you think someone associated with this movement will be the nominee for any sort of legitimate national race, you're crazy.
You realize the national coverage this party is getting from news outlets, yeah? I'd bet good money that if you polled Americans "Would you seriously consider voting for a candidate from a newly formed Tea Party?" that at least 10% would say yes. People aren't happy with democrats or republicans. Why the hell wouldn't they try?

[xshady121]

You realize the national coverage this party is getting from news outlets, yeah? I'd bet good money that if you polled Americans "Would you seriously consider voting for a candidate from a newly formed Tea Party?" that at least 10% would say yes. People aren't happy with democrats or republicans. Why the hell wouldn't they try?

People aren't happy with incumbents. Look at MA Sen last month. To say they aren't happy with democrats or republicans is a lie and you know it.

[xshady121]

I'm not trying to look "classy" to the guy with a political science degree from Boston. hahaha.


No, you just can't seem to comprehend the difference between satire and racial slurs/hate speech. Use that degree of yours son, I'm sure you worked hard for it!

so now the term teabagger is strictly satirical and not meant in any negative sense in any way?

Man, the leaps some people jump through to conceal their hatred for others.

[1.8Nate]

so now the term teabagger is strictly satirical and not meant in any negative sense in any way?

Man, the leaps some people jump through to conceal their hatred for others.
I don't hate them, and I'm sure (most) of them don't actually put their balls in other people's mouths.

satire
noun
1 parody, burlesque, caricature, lampoon, skit; informal spoof, takeoff, sendup.
2 he has become the subject of satire mockery, ridicule, derision, scorn, caricature; irony, sarcasm.

[zion the lion]

As of right now, you are all officially dumber than you thought I was. She's playing a character, she's not really this horrifically dumb person. When Steven Colbert plays his made up character you dont analyze his every move and flip out every time he says something incredibly stupid...is there something about crazy fake Alaskans (who are probably really from Fargo) thats so hard for you guys to just comprehend?

[x togepi x]

Yeah, political correctness is only cool when it serves you, right?

if by serves me, you mean "serves a purpose" then yes.



The crazy right wingers that are called "tea baggers" are not being oppressed in any way whatsoever. Thus, it's mere political satire. Following your logic, you can essentially label any group of people anything slightly negative.

[apoemtothedead]

People aren't happy with incumbents. Look at MA Sen last month. To say they aren't happy with democrats or republicans is a lie and you know it.
Who was the incumbent in that race? I didn't see Ted Kennedy on the ballot.

And you clearly ignored the main point of my post. Would you care to dispute that?

[xshady121]

I don't hate them, and I'm sure (most) of them don't actually put their balls in other people's mouths.

I don't think people who get called "douchebags" actually clean out a vagina, but that doesn't make someone who calls someone else that right.

[1.8Nate]

As of right now, you are all officially dumber than you thought I was. She's playing a character, she's not really this horrifically dumb person. When Steven Colbert plays his made up character you dont analyze his every move and flip out every time he says something incredibly stupid...is there something about crazy fake Alaskans (who are probably really from Fargo) thats so hard for you guys to just comprehend?
"you are all officially dumber than you thought I was"...

hahahaha.

[xshady121]

The crazy right wingers that are called "tea baggers" are not being oppressed in any way whatsoever. Thus, it's mere political satire. Following your logic, you can essentially label any group of people anything slightly negative.
so if you called me a douchebag, it'd be purely satrical as well right? I shuoldn't be upset at all?



Who was the incumbent in that race? I didn't see Ted Kennedy on the ballot.

And you clearly ignored the main point of my post. Would you care to dispute that?

I don't know how much coverage you got of the race where you are, but Coakley was seen as the incumbent. I'd try to find more sources that back this up, but it's hard to find news sources from the sheer amount of stuff written about this race.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/19/826755/-Martha-Coakley-is-running-as-the-entrenched-incumbent

another http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0117/Obama-in-Boston-Was-it-enough-to-turn-Senate-race-for-Coakley

Coakley the 'incumbent'

It was also a clear attempt to change how Massachusetts voters view Coakley.

Without an incumbent in the race to fill the seat vacated by the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, Coakley has become a stand-in for Washington in many voters’ minds. She is Massachusetts’ attorney general and is well recognized in the state.

As such, she is suffering from the anti-incumbent attitude currently sweeping much of the nation. Mr. Brown has worked to emphasize this image, calling Coakley a “machine politician” at a rally timed to coincide with Obama’s.

“Now voters think a vote for her is a vote for what’s going on in Washington,” says Dan Payne, a Democratic media consultant based in Massachusetts. “She’s got to deal with Washington issues that she had never intended to be a part of her campaign.”

With Sunday’s rally and a similar event Friday with former President Bill Clinton, Coakley sought to turn those connections to her advantage. Obama brought to the Coakley campaign some of the enthusiasm that led him to victory in 2008.

A crowd 1,500 strong chanted “fired up, ready to go” – a slogan from Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign – while waiting for the event to begin and screamed “We love you Barack!” during pauses in his speech. Another 2,500 people watched a live broadcast in a Northeastern University student center nearby, and still thousands more were turned away, the Coakley campaign said.

[1.8Nate]

I don't think people who get called "douchebags" actually clean out a vagina, but that doesn't make someone who calls someone else that right.
So then why are you so up in arms? If you believe that I don't think they put their balls in each other's mouths, then what's the problem? At that point it's just satire.

[x togepi x]

I don't know how much coverage you got of the race where you are, but Coakley was seen as the incumbent. I'd try to find more sources that back this up, but it's hard to find news sources from the sheer amount of stuff written about this race.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/19/826755/-Martha-Coakley-is-running-as-the-entrenched-incumbent

What you just posted made absolutely no sense.

I'm sorry that you're so blinded by your ideology that you can't see the difference between hate speech that is used purely to oppress and dehumanize the other and satirical political speech meant to point out the foibles of the other side. the fact that you're trying to use douchebag as an example is telling of your lack of understanding of how this works.

[xshady121]

What you just posted made absolutely no sense.

I'm sorry that you're so blinded by your ideology that you can't see the difference between hate speech that is used purely to oppress and dehumanize the other and satirical political speech meant to point out the foibles of the other side. the fact that you're trying to use douchebag as an example is telling of your lack of understanding of how this works.

That (the tea party movement) isn't my ideology. I actually take offense to you suggesting such.

[apoemtothedead]

so if you called me a douchebag, it'd be purely satrical as well right? I shuoldn't be upset at all?





I don't know how much coverage you got of the race where you are, but Coakley was seen as the incumbent. I'd try to find more sources that back this up, but it's hard to find news sources from the sheer amount of stuff written about this race.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/19/826755/-Martha-Coakley-is-running-as-the-entrenched-incumbent

another http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0117/Obama-in-Boston-Was-it-enough-to-turn-Senate-race-for-Coakley
Seemed to me like she was an ugly, out-of-touch hag, who thought Curt Schilling was a Yankees fan. That can't beat a decent looking, charismatic guy with a good campaign slogan or two.

[whenyourearound]

As of right now, you are all officially dumber than you thought I was. She's playing a character, she's not really this horrifically dumb person. When Steven Colbert plays his made up character you dont analyze his every move and flip out every time he says something incredibly stupid...is there something about crazy fake Alaskans (who are probably really from Fargo) thats so hard for you guys to just comprehend?

Well we obviously know that Stephen Colbert isn't serious all the time and he isn't trying to be. Politicians aren't supposed to play "characters." This isn't going to do anything for her political career by "pretending" to be dumb and relatable.

Oh, I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you thought that I think that I thought that I was once.

[xshady121]

Seemed to me like she was an ugly, out-of-touch hag, who thought Curt Schilling was a Yankees fan. That can't beat a decent looking, charismatic guy with a good campaign slogan or two.

Hah, you're honestly too much. I've never come across such a giant democratic party apologizer on these boards before.

You can attribute some of it to Coakley running a shitty campaign and you can attribute some of it to brown running a good campaign. The fact is that MA doesn't vote republican unless something is seriously wrong. That something is the changing tide against incumbents. Period.

[1.8Nate]

That (the tea party movement) isn't my ideology. I actually take offense to you suggesting such.
I'd like to see you address the rest of that paragraph, because it was well put.

[xshady121]

I'd like to see you address the rest of that paragraph, because it was well put.

I'd like to see him try and show me how "tea bagger" is an accurate term to describe followers of the movement. Since it isn't, it isn't then satrical. It's just crude and offensive.

[1.8Nate]

I'd like to see him try and show me how "tea bagger" is an accurate term to describe followers of the movement. Since it isn't, it isn't then satrical. It's just crude and offensive.
So does that mean you're going to keep ignoring the fact that he destroyed your argument and made you look like an idiot?

And I didn't know that the word "satire" meant "an accurate term to describe followers of a movement".

See kids, this is why you don't get poly-sci degrees.

[xshady121]

So does that mean you're going to keep ignoring the fact that he destroyed your argument and made you look like an idiot?

He did no such thing.

[apoemtothedead]

Hah, you're honestly too much. I've never come across such a giant democratic party apologizer on these boards before.

You can attribute some of it to Coakley running a shitty campaign and you can attribute some of it to brown running a good campaign. The fact is that MA doesn't vote republican unless something is seriously wrong. That something is the changing tide against incumbents. Period.
See if Brown wins in 2 years when a) Obama and the 10 democratic congressmen (who received 73% of the vote in 2008) are on the ballot b) the democrats will likely have a better, more prepared candidate and c) the slogan "the people's seat" will no longer be in play as I doubt people will refer to it as "Ted Kennedy's seat."


I'm still waiting for a response on my Tea Party estimate. Or are you going to keep nitpicking?

[1.8Nate]

He did no such thing.
To repeat myself: I didn't know that the word "satire" meant "an accurate term to describe followers of a movement".

[xshady121]

So does that mean you're going to keep ignoring the fact that he destroyed your argument and made you look like an idiot?

And I didn't know that the word "satire" meant "an accurate term to describe followers of a movement".

See kids, this is why you don't get poly-sci degrees.

When he says it's meant to point out the "foibles" of the other side it should be.

[xshady121]

To repeat myself: I didn't know that the word "satire" meant "an accurate term to describe followers of a movement".

It's not repeating yourself if I answered before you went back and edited it.

[xshady121]

See if Brown wins in 2 years when a) Obama and the 10 democratic congressmen (who received 73% of the vote in 2008) are on the ballot b) the democrats will likely have a better, more prepared candidate and c) the slogan "the people's seat" will no longer be in play as I doubt people will refer to it as "Ted Kennedy's seat."


I'm still waiting for a response on my Tea Party estimate. Or are you going to keep nitpicking?

Your tea party estimate? Did you want me to go out and conduct a survey for you? Hold on, I'll get right on it.

[apoemtothedead]

Your tea party estimate? Did you want me to go out and conduct a survey for you? Hold on, I'll get right on it.
:rolleyes:

[1.8Nate]

When he says it's meant to point out the "foibles" of the other side it should be.
Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to save face. Giiiive up!

foible
noun
tolerating each other's foibles weakness, failing, shortcoming, flaw, imperfection, blemish, fault, defect, limitation; quirk, kink, idiosyncrasy, eccentricity, peculiarity. See note at fault . antonym strength.

[xshady121]

[quote]You realize the national coverage this party is getting from news outlets, yeah?
Yeah. Mostly negative.
I'd bet good money that if you polled Americans "Would you seriously consider voting for a candidate from a newly formed Tea Party?" that at least 10% would say yes.
I'd bet that'd be awfully dependent upon the leading questions, and even then that's debatable. Without conducting a survey this asertion is moot and I'm not sure what you want me to say.
People aren't happy with democrats or republicans. Why the hell wouldn't they try?
Asked and answered.

[xshady121]

Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to save face. Giiiive up!

Nope. The fact that all of you are content with using offensive terms to describe a group of people and see absolutely nothing wrong with it is quite astounding and hypocritical. Nothing more, nothing less.

[apoemtothedead]

[QUOTE=apoemtothedead;61830312]

Yeah. Mostly negative.

I'd bet that'd be awfully dependent upon the leading questions, and even then that's debatable. Without conducting a survey this asertion is moot and I'm not sure what you want me to say.

Asked and answered.
Negative depending on which network you watch. Any publicity is good publicity, right? These people's message is getting out there and there are plenty of crazies in this country who could get mesmerized by it. They also have that people like being part of a movement that they think will bring about change, knowing that they were part of it. That's one of the big things that Obama had going for him, the perceived message of change. Well, that and the black vote.

[1.8Nate]

Nope. The fact that all of you are content with using offensive terms to describe a group of people and see absolutely nothing wrong with it is quite astounding and hypocritical. Nothing more, nothing less.
Exploiting a phrase that someone(s) in the group coined themselves is not nearly as bad as you're trying to make it. The fact that you equate it to racial, oppressive slurs just shows everyone how fucked up your moral compass is.

Get off your high horse Mr. "Libertarian".

[xshady121]

[QUOTE=xshady121;61833182]
Negative depending on which network you watch.
And the small percentage that watch fox news aren't enough to change anything
Any publicity is good publicity, right?
I dno't know, ask palin's hand.
these people's message is getting out there and there are plenty of crazies in this country who could get mesmerized by it.
Once again, such a small percentage that it's not worth measuring. There are crazies on both spectrums, nobody caters to their interests and rightfully so.
They also have that people like being part of a movement that they think will bring about change, knowing that they were part of it.
The members of this movement are sheep. They don't even know what their rallying for.

That's one of the big things that Obama had going for him, the perceived message of change.
Obama was new blood to the political scene. That's much different than what this movement your adovcating spawning off into it's own party is proposing
Well, that and the black vote.
Hah.

[xshady121]

Exploiting a phrase that someone(s) in the group coined themselves is not nearly as bad as you're trying to make it. The fact that you equate it to racial, oppressive slurs just shows everyone how fucked up your moral compass is.

Pick a side and stick with it.
One protester? The Teabag Party called for an organized event where they wanted people to mail bags of tea to the oval office. (again, cited by your link)
Once again, they (the group) coined the term and the left ran with it. I swear i won't repeat that again.

So before it wasn't one protester that started it, but now it is?

Get off your high horse Mr. "Libertarian".[/QUOTE]

Yeah, your right. Saying stuff that offends some people is fine, as long as it's not racially offensive. So like, calling people "gay" is fine. Or "retarted". Got ya.

[1.8Nate]

[QUOTE=apoemtothedead;61833401]Hah.
Hey now, that's quite astounding and hypocritical to laugh at that statement. Shame Shame.

[zion the lion]

Well we obviously know that Stephen Colbert isn't serious all the time and he isn't trying to be. Politicians aren't supposed to play "characters." This isn't going to do anything for her political career by "pretending" to be dumb and relatable.

Oh, I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you thought that I think that I thought that I was once.

She's not even a politician anymore...she quit her job last year.

[1.8Nate]

Pick a side and stick with it.



So before it wasn't one protester that started it, but now it is?

Yeah, your right. Saying stuff that offends some people is fine, as long as it's not racially offensive. So like, calling people "gay" is fine. Or "retarted". Got ya.
Hence the "(s)". Dude seriously, switch your major. It's obviously teaching you to be a completely fucking idiot.

Racial slurs, gay slurs, mentally handicapped slurs...those are all awful things and not even comparable to calling someone a "Teabagger".

[xshady121]

[QUOTE=xshady121;61833731]
Hey now, that's quite astounding and hypocritical to laugh at that statement. Shame Shame.

I was laughing at his obvious tongue in cheek assertion that the reason he won was the black vote. Him and I both saw the humor in that statement, and you should have too.

[xshady121]

Hence the "(s)". Dude seriously, switch your major. It's obviously teaching you to be a completely fucking idiot.

Racial slurs, gay slurs, mentally handicapped slurs...those are all awful things and not even comparable to calling someone a "Teabagger".

Yeah, your right. My problem is I point out the hypocrisy in your posts. It's okay to ridicule some people, but not other people. I don't see how you arbitrarily decide which offensive names are fine and which aren't. Offensive is offensive. period.

[xshady121]

Racial slurs, gay slurs, mentally handicapped slurs...those are all awful things and not even comparable to calling someone a "Teabagger".
Also, could teabagger not be another way to call someone gay? How is it kosher in this context?

[1.8Nate]

[QUOTE=1.8Nate;61833861]

I was laughing at his obvious tongue in cheek assertion that the reason he won was the black vote. Him and I both saw the humor in that statement, and you should have too.
No no, I don't think so. Don't justify it to yourself, it disgusts me. I know your exact intentions. Wah wah wah.

See where I'm going with this?

[whenyourearound]

She's not even a politician anymore...she quit her job last year.

I know that she resigned as governor. As long as she is still giving speeches bitching about Obama with the talks about running in 2012 then she is still a politician.

[loveisdead]

Yeah, your right. Saying stuff that offends some people is fine, as long as it's not racially offensive. So like, calling people "gay" is fine. Or "retarted". Got ya.
Hence the "(s)". Dude seriously, switch your major. It's obviously teaching you to be a completely fucking idiot.

Racial slurs, gay slurs, mentally handicapped slurs...those are all awful things and not even comparable to calling someone a "Teabagger".

That's pretty ironic.

I am not of the belief that Palin and her political advisers planned this to draw attention to herself. I think that's ridiculous. She's an idiot. Just plain stupid.

[xshady121]

That's pretty ironic.

I am not of the belief that Palin and her political advisers planned this to draw attention to herself. I think that's ridiculous. She's an idiot. Just plain stupid.

I don't know who this kid is but he is by far the dumbest politics poster we've ever had here. Zion's posted in this thread and even she appears brilliant by comparison.

[loveisdead]

Also, could teabagger not be another way to call someone gay?

I've never heard teabagger used this way. It doesn't even make sense.

[apoemtothedead]

[quote=apoemtothedead;61833401]
And the small percentage that watch fox news aren't enough to change anything

I dno't know, ask palin's hand.

Once again, such a small percentage that it's not worth measuring. There are crazies on both spectrums, nobody caters to their interests and rightfully so.

The members of this movement are sheep. They don't even know what their rallying for.

Obama was new blood to the political scene. That's much different than what this movement your adovcating spawning off into it's own party is proposing

Hah.
There are crazies on both ends, yes, but I can't remember anytime recently that an off-shoot group like this has received this much coverage for an extended period of time.

And if they are sheep (and I agree with you on that), the even higher chance that they would vote for whomever the Tea Party would put forward, if they do put somebody forward.

Why is it that the Tea Party can't be the new blood to the political system? People seem to be getting the impression that they're bringing something new, even if they aren't. What's to stop them from finding a charismatic person to lead the party?

Anyway, you think I'm overestimating the party, I think you're underestimating it, and I don't think either of us are moving on these stances. We'll just have to wait and find out.

[loveisdead]

I don't know who this kid is but he is by far the dumbest politics poster we've ever had here. Zion's posted in this thread and even she appears brilliant by comparison.

I've only read the last page or 2 cause I think both of you are at the point where you should just stop. It's going nowhere.

Has anyone brought up that the q and a was probably scripted and she honestly wrote them down so she wouldn't forget to mention everything?

[loveisdead]

[quote=xshady121;61833731]
There are crazies on both ends, yes, but I can't remember anytime recently that an off-shoot group like this has received this much coverage for an extended period of time.

And if they are sheep (and I agree with you on that), the even higher chance that they would vote for whomever the Tea Party would put forward, if they do put somebody forward.

Why is it that the Tea Party can't be the new blood to the political system? People seem to be getting the impression that they're bringing something new, even if they aren't. What's to stop them from finding a charismatic person to lead the party?

Anyway, you think I'm overestimating the party, I think you're underestimating it, and I don't think either of us are moving on these stances. We'll just have to wait and find out.

You're overestimating it. It will and has gather a lot of supporters. A scary amount. All it will do is split the republican votes up and let Obama waltz back into office.

[xshady121]

I've never heard teabagger used this way. It doesn't even make sense.

Hey man, I don't know who's mouths you're sticking your balls in, but it seems like it could possibly be pretty homosexual.

[1.8Nate]

Yeah, your right. My problem is I point out the hypocrisy in your posts. It's okay to ridicule some people, but not other people. I don't see how you arbitrarily decide which offensive names are fine and which aren't. Offensive is offensive. period.
Are you pulling a Sarah Palin right now? Acting stupid on purpose?

The Tea Party is not a race of people. Calling them "Teabaggers" does not fucking equal calling someone the "n" word, or a "f*g".

Get the fuck over it already. I'm sorry that you're such a mindless fucking Tea Party sympathizer that you feel like we are oppressing them in some way, but we aren't. Stop crying about it already.

And no, "Teabagging" is not an offensive term for gays. You are just grasping for straws.

[loveisdead]

Hey man, I don't know who's mouths you're sticking your balls in, but it seems like it could possibly be pretty homosexual.

And heterosexual. That could work both ways.

[apoemtothedead]

[QUOTE=apoemtothedead;61834411]

You're overestimating it. It will and has gather a lot of supporters. A scary amount. All it will do is split the republican votes up and let Obama waltz back into office.
That was my original point and all that I've been trying to argue.

[xshady121]

I've only read the last page or 2 cause I think both of you are at the point where you should just stop. It's going nowhere.

Has anyone brought up that the q and a was probably scripted and she honestly wrote them down so she wouldn't forget to mention everything?
It was posted in a blog I read when the issue first came out. Maybe huffpo?

[loveisdead]

Are you pulling a Sarah Palin right now? Acting stupid on purpose?

The Tea Party is not a race of people. Calling them "Teabaggers" does not fucking equal calling someone the "n" word, or a "f*g".

Get the fuck over it already. I'm sorry that you're such a mindless fucking Tea Party sympathizer that you feel like we are oppressing them in some way, but we aren't. Stop crying about it already.

And no, "Teabagging" is not an offensive term for gays. You are just grasping for straws.

Teapartiers have been demonized by a portion of the media. You're foolish to think otherwise. You don't want to go down the road of comparing which insult is worse, that's just stupid.

[xshady121]

Are you pulling a Sarah Palin right now? Acting stupid on purpose?

The Tea Party is not a race of people. Calling them "Teabaggers" does not fucking equal calling someone the "n" word, or a "f*g".

Get the fuck over it already. I'm sorry that you're such a mindless fucking Tea Party sympathizer that you feel like we are oppressing them in some way, but we aren't. Stop crying about it already.

And no, "Teabagging" is not an offensive term for gays. You are just grasping for straws.

Tea party sympathizer. That's great. Never you mind where I called out the tea partiers for loosely throwing around the words socialism, communism, or using hitlers image in comparison to Reid, Pelosi, and Obama. Nope, you're right. I'm a sympathizer alright.

[loveisdead]

It was posted in a blog I read when the issue first came out. Maybe huffpo?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/did-palin-use-crib-notes_b_452458.html

I was just wondering if someone had brought it up in here. I tend to think that's the case.

[1.8Nate]

That's pretty ironic.

I am not of the belief that Palin and her political advisers planned this to draw attention to herself. I think that's ridiculous. She's an idiot. Just plain stupid.
A 2 letter spelling mistake ≠ irony in that sentence.

[loveisdead]

That was my original point and all that I've been trying to argue.

Quote function is really fucked up haha.

[loveisdead]

A 2 letter spelling mistake ≠ irony in that sentence.

You trying to paint him as an idiot and then making an idiotic spelling mistake is comparable.

[x togepi x]

That (the tea party movement) isn't my ideology. I actually take offense to you suggesting such.

I'm actually referring to the annoying political correctness ideology where nobody can say anything slightly negative about anyone else that you're espousing.

but yeah, i'd like you to actually respond to my argument instead of getting offended.

a quick question: you're a straight white dude right?

[1.8Nate]

Teapartiers have been demonized by a portion of the media. You're foolish to think otherwise. You don't want to go down the road of comparing which insult is worse, that's just stupid.
I don't think otherwise. But "teabagger" is not the equivalent of the "n" word, and you know it.

Tea party sympathizer. That's great. Never you mind where I called out the tea partiers for loosely throwing around the words socialism, communism, or using hitlers image in comparison to Reid, Pelosi, and Obama. Nope, you're right. I'm a sympathizer alright.
Then why are their collective balls in your mouth?

[loveisdead]

I don't think otherwise. But "teabagger" is not the equivalent of the "n" word, and you know it.


Then why are their collective balls in your mouth?

I would agree. I just think it's silly to start comparing what insult is worse.

[xshady121]

You calling trying to paint him as an idiot and then making an idiotic spelling mistake is comparable.

Don't forget painting me as a tea party sympathizer.

Apparently he missed these posts

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=61824921#post61824 921
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=61825411#post61825 411
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=61829511#post61829 511
or this one
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=61825981#post61825 981

Maybe he should brush up on reading comprehension while he's out there trashing my poly sci degree.

[1.8Nate]

You trying to paint him as an idiot and then making an idiotic spelling mistake is comparable.
No, there's a difference between making a quick mistake due to typing fast and having completely fucked up views on issues like "Teabagger" vs. "Racial Slur".

[xshady121]

I don't think otherwise. But "teabagger" is not the equivalent of the "n" word, and you know it.


Then why are their collective balls in your mouth?

So you agree it is an insult yet you're fine with using it.

[1.8Nate]

I would agree. I just think it's silly to start comparing what insult is worse.
Which is what he's arguing and why he won't shut up. Because "teabagger" is just as bad as a racial slur in his eyes and he won't let it go.

[loveisdead]

No, there's a difference between making a quick mistake due to typing fast and having completely fucked up views on issues like "Teabagger" vs. "Racial Slur".

I think it's fairly obvious that he isn't an idiot. It's also obvious that his studies have served him well, as he has a comprehension on these issues and can debate them in an intelligent manner. His point has been that groups should not be insulted. Whether they're black, gay, jewish or tea partiers. Why has this gone on for like 9 pages?

[loveisdead]

Which is what he's arguing and why he won't shut up. Because "teabagger" is just as bad as a racial slur in his eyes and he won't let it go.

I don't think that's his argument. I think his argument is that just because it may not be the n word doesn't mean that it's okay to use.

[xshady121]

I don't think that's his argument. I think his argument is that just because it may not be the n word doesn't mean that it's okay to use.

Bingo bango.

[xshady121]

Which is what he's arguing and why he won't shut up. Because "teabagger" is just as bad as a racial slur in his eyes and he won't let it go.

It shouldn't matter where I rank it on my list of offensive insults.

It's offensive. End of discussion.

[1.8Nate]

I don't think that's his argument. I think his argument is that just because it may not be the n word doesn't mean that it's okay to use.
Which is also what he keeps arguing. Because in my opinion, "teabagger" is political satire. Whether I decide to use it or not should only matter to the members of the Tea Party who coined the phrase themselves. And even then, I could care less about what they think but this has already been argued.

[loveisdead]

Which is also what he keeps arguing. Because in my opinion, "teabagger" is political satire. Whether I decide to use it or not should only matter to the members of the Tea Party who coined the phrase themselves. And even then, I could care less about what they think but this has already been argued.

Dude. You sound like Sarah Palin.

[1.8Nate]

It shouldn't matter where I rank it on my list of offensive insults.

It's offensive. End of discussion.
Well here's a thought, get over the fact that I and others will continue to use the term "teabagger". Accept that fact that it's not as big of a deal to some people like it is to you. Keep crying about it or shut up already.

[1.8Nate]

Dude. You sound like Sarah Palin.
Haha why? Because I'm not concerned with any "teapartiers" coming into this thread and being offended at the use of the word "teabagger"? Especially when I don't see it as anything more than satire?

[xshady121]

Well here's a thought, get over the fact that I and others will continue to use the term "teabagger". Accept that fact that it's not as big of a deal to some people like it is to you. Keep crying about it or shut up already.

What's funny is this exact same statement could be said by someone who uses the words "***" or "retarted". It doesn't make it right in any of the circumstances.

[whenyourearound]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q6HTWEy1y4

"its very hard to be critical of one person when you yourself are using the same kind of aids when you're speaking"

[loveisdead]

Haha why? Because I'm not concerned with any "teapartiers" coming into this thread and being offended at the use of the word "teabagger"? Especially when I don't see it as anything more than satire?

Because since you see it as satire it's fine. It's the exact same argument Palin used to defend Limbaugh's use of retard.

[xshady121]

Haha why? Because I'm not concerned with any "teapartiers" coming into this thread and being offended at the use of the word "teabagger"? Especially when I don't see it as anything more than satire?

I'm not concerned with any homosexuals coming into this thread, so I'm going to call you a fa*.


IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT!

[xshady121]

Because since you see it as satire it's fine. It's the exact same argument Palin used to defend Limbaugh's use of retard.

When he first started talking about seeing it as Satire I thought this was what he was referencing. Then I realized he was just a moron.

[loveisdead]

When he first started talking about seeing it as Satire I thought this was what he was referencing. Then I realized he was just a moron.

I only thought it was funny since he referred to you as being as dumb as Palin. He's literally using the exact same argument that Colbert ripped Palin apart for yesterday.

[1.8Nate]

Because since you see it as satire it's fine. It's the exact same argument Palin used to defend Limbaugh's use of retard.
But it is satire by definition. It is the word "teabagger". Are you really trying to pull the politically correct cop thing right now?

It is not a stab at a race, religion, handicap, sexual identity, or anything of the sort. It is a word used to make fun of something stupid the Tea Party did. That is satire, or are you going to keep crying over it too?

[xshady121]

I only thought it was funny since he referred to you as being as dumb as Palin. He's literally using the exact same argument that Colbert ripped Palin apart for yesterday.

Yeah. It's satire so it's totally cool. This reminds me of that Aziz Ansari joke.

[whenyourearound]

I just don't see whom the term "teabagger" is offensive towards? :shrug:

[xshady121]

I just don't see whom the term "teabagger" is offensive towards? :shrug:

It's an insult meant to degrade the followers of the movement.

[zion the lion]

I know that she resigned as governor. As long as she is still giving speeches bitching about Obama with the talks about running in 2012 then she is still a politician.

And she's a character, again she's as real as Steven Colbert is, she's not real, she's playing a game to get money. She's playing you guys down there, and it's working if she's got you all that riled up.

If people are so desperate that they're in denial about her fakeness than this country is dumber than I thought, let her win in 2012, let her get the fuck bombed out of us and let this country burn to the mother fucking ground because its full of dummies.

[1.8Nate]

I just don't see whom the term "teabagger" is offensive towards? :shrug:
Apparently it's offensive to these two people, whom of which equate the word to racial slurs and oppressive phrases that are targeted directly toward people in acts of hate.

[apoemtothedead]

To say that teabagger is as offensive as the n-word, or whatever, is just ridiculous. It may not be the nicest thing, but the two aren't even comparable.

[xshady121]

And she's a character, again she's as real as Steven Colbert is, she's not real, she's playing a game to get money. She's playing you guys down there, and it's working if she's got you all that riled up.

If people are so desperate that they're in denial about her fakeness than this country is dumber than I thought, let her win in 2012, let her get the fuck bombed out of us and let this country burn to the mother fucking ground because its full of dummies.
Zion, get the fuck out of this thread. Right now my opinion of you is so high that I don't want you to fuck that up.

[loveisdead]

But it is satire by definition. It is the word "teabagger". Are you really trying to pull the politically correct cop thing right now?

It is not a stab at a race, religion, handicap, sexual identity, or anything of the sort. It is a word used to make fun of something stupid the Tea Party did. That is satire, or are you going to keep crying over it too?

I haven't been crying over anything. I don't give a fuck what you call anyone. I'm debating your logic. Since it is something that YOU find stupid, and isn't the other things you listed above, it is ok to you. The same logic is used by the KKK. And since I know you're going to say that making fun of blacks isn't the same as tea partiers (which we've agreed on), it doesn't matter. An insult is an insult and just because you find something stupid doesn't mean it's cool to just shit all over them and label a huge group of people as stupid.

[whenyourearound]

Thank you for opening my eyes. I thought it was something like that since I couldn't see it being anything worse. Yes, its an insult to those people, but I don't see it as offensive.

[1.8Nate]

It's an insult meant to degrade the followers of the movement.
...and it's origins of which came from the party itself. Dun dun dun, stop whining.

[xshady121]

To say that teabagger is as offensive as the n-word, or whatever, is just ridiculous. It may not be the nicest thing, but the two aren't even comparable.

But it's offensive none the less. Offensive terms shouldn't just be thrown around because you yourself aren't offended by them.

[loveisdead]

Zion, get the fuck out of this thread. Right now my opinion of you is so high that I don't want you to fuck that up.

:lol:

[loveisdead]

To say that teabagger is as offensive as the n-word, or whatever, is just ridiculous. It may not be the nicest thing, but the two aren't even comparable.

No one is. Anyone who thinks that needs mental help.

[xshady121]

...and it's origins of which came from the party itself. Dun dun dun, stop whining.

No. Your'e the only one who thinks that mailing a tea bag to DC, in an act meant to symbolize throwing tea bags into the atlantic ocean, is actually them teabagging, and not symbolically having a tea party.

[loveisdead]

I actually thought Olbermann coined the term. But he may have been quoting something one of them said to make fun of it.

[xshady121]

No one is. Anyone who thinks that needs mental help.

I think the best part of this thread is this kid Nate or wahtever saying that the tea party movement brought this on themselves. He says that by encourageing you to mail tea bags to DC, that they were "encouraging" others to call them tea baggers. He sees tea bagging as the far more applicable symbolism than the boston teaparty they were trying for.

And I'm the idiot.

[1.8Nate]

I haven't been crying over anything. I don't give a fuck what you call anyone. I'm debating your logic. Since it is something that YOU find stupid, and isn't the other things you listed above, it is ok to you. The same logic is used by the KKK. And since I know you're going to say that making fun of blacks isn't the same as tea partiers (which we've agreed on), it doesn't matter. An insult is an insult and just because you find something stupid doesn't mean it's cool to just shit all over them and label a huge group of people as stupid.
I'm making fun of the fact that they sent tea bags to the White House, have tea bag necklaces and shirts, and put the phrase "Tea Bag the Dems!!!" on a poster.

My logic is not flawed for making fun of those things, get the fuck over it.

[apoemtothedead]

Is it insulting if the people don't know they're being insulted? Hell, these hicks probably aren't smart enough to get the double meaning. :rolleyes:

[whenyourearound]

And she's a character, again she's as real as Steven Colbert is, she's not real, she's playing a game to get money. She's playing you guys down there, and it's working if she's got you all that riled up.

If people are so desperate that they're in denial about her fakeness than this country is dumber than I thought, let her win in 2012, let her get the fuck bombed out of us and let this country burn to the mother fucking ground because its full of dummies.

How the fuck is she getting money out of all this? I think its ridiculous that shes playing this card where she has to do dumb shit just for attention with the whole "even bad press is good press" dealio. Let her house burn to the ground and this country will be just a little bit better because of it.

[loveisdead]

I think the funniest part of this thread is that I'm pretty sure none of us would mind if these people went away for a long time, yet we're still arguing over them for 15 pages.

[loveisdead]

Is it insulting if the people don't know they're being insulted? Hell, these hicks probably aren't smart enough to get the double meaning. :rolleyes:

Hahahaha, perfect.

[xshady121]

Is it insulting if the people don't know they're being insulted? Hell, these hicks probably aren't smart enough to get the double meaning. :rolleyes:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ei=m2ByS-rzJcOWtgePirDyCQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAYQBSgA&q=teabagger+slur&spell=1
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/to-teabag-or-not-thats-still-the-question-for-conservatives.php

[whenyourearound]

Apparently it's offensive to these two people, whom of which equate the word to racial slurs and oppressive phrases that are targeted directly toward people in acts of hate.

Haha yeahh thats true. I bet the teabaggers themselves don't even find it offensive.

[1.8Nate]

I think the best part of this thread is this kid Nate or wahtever saying that the tea party movement brought this on themselves. He says that by encourageing you to mail tea bags to DC, that they were "encouraging" others to call them tea baggers. He sees tea bagging as the far more applicable symbolism than the boston teaparty they were trying for.

And I'm the idiot.
I'm not saying they were "encouraging it". I'm saying that's what inspired the term "teabaggers" that people are calling them now.

And as for you "idiot" statement, that's pretty offensive and contradicts your entire argument. Don't ya think?!

[ambulance]

Sooooo. Shady, you're a moron. Did you miss this? This isn't 'one protester' this stemmed out of the teaparty movement itself.

"Teabag the fools in DC on Tax Day."
^Headline of an article on ReTeaParty.com, one of the main sites of the teaparty movement.
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/21987028/a-2009-tea-party.htm
^Fox mentioning the article on their show, using the verb teabag

If you are someone that is going to 'teabag' isn't the proper term for those doing the verb called 'teabaggers?'

Now, to your point that the word carries a negative connotation and isn't "PC," you're probably right. But you are going way too far when you think people are honestly using the term to call members of the teaparty gay, or that they literally teabag, or that the term is hate-filled in any way. It's nowhere close to a hate-filled term like the 'n-word' or '******.' It isn't being used in that way. I don't think anyone is going around calling people 'teabaggers.' "HEY YOU PROTESTER!! YOU'RE A TEABAGGER!!" doesn't hold the same weight as "HEY YOU BLACK PERSON!! YOU'RE A NI****!!" Can you not see that? It is being used to ridicule the members of the teaparty. It's SATIRE. It's IRONIC that they chose the word that was synonymous with putting balls in someones mouth.

[loveisdead]

I'm making fun of the fact that they sent tea bags to the White House, have tea bag necklaces and shirts, and put the phrase "Tea Bag the Dems!!!" on a poster.

My logic is not flawed for making fun of those things, get the fuck over it.

You haven't made fun of those things (unless I overread a post). All I've seen is you do is throw around blanket statements about how they're stupid.

Why are you telling us to get over it? I'm totally fine. You're the one throwing out every curse word in the book and acting offended.

[xshady121]

I'm making fun of the fact that they sent tea bags to the White House, have tea bag necklaces and shirts, and put the phrase "Tea Bag the Dems!!!" on a poster.

My logic is not flawed for making fun of those things, get the fuck over it.


I heard this black guy on the street today call his friend a n****r. Since he is one lone black person (in the same sense that person with the sign was one lone tea party member) that means it's cool to call all black people n******rs right? Because it's the same thing you're doing here-- taking one persons words and broadly applying it to a large group of people. I just want to make sure I'm not mistaken in my thought process here.

[loveisdead]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ei=m2ByS-rzJcOWtgePirDyCQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAYQBSgA&q=teabagger+slur&spell=1
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/to-teabag-or-not-thats-still-the-question-for-conservatives.php

Oh so they did coin the term.

[apoemtothedead]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ei=m2ByS-rzJcOWtgePirDyCQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAYQBSgA&q=teabagger+slur&spell=1
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/to-teabag-or-not-thats-still-the-question-for-conservatives.php
I wasn't being serious. These people have probably been teabagging their sisters since puberty.

[1.8Nate]

I heard this black guy on the street today call his friend a n****r. Since he is one lone black person (in the same sense that person with the sign was one lone tea party member) that means it's cool to call all black people n******rs right? Because it's the same thing you're doing here-- taking one persons words and broadly applying it to a large group of people. I just want to make sure I'm not mistaken in my thought process here.
It's not the same at all. Once again you're equating race to the Tea Party.

[loveisdead]

I wasn't being serious. These people have probably been teabagging their sisters since puberty.

End the thread on this. I'm dying.

[1.8Nate]

Oh so they did coin the term.
Yes.

[xshady121]

Sooooo. Shady, you're a moron. Did you miss this? This isn't 'one protester' this stemmed out of the teaparty movement itself.

"Teabag the fools in DC on Tax Day."
^Headline of an article on ReTeaParty.com, one of the main sites of the teaparty movement.
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/21987028/a-2009-tea-party.htm
^Fox mentioning the article on their show, using the verb teabag

If you are someone that is going to 'teabag' isn't the proper term for those doing the verb called 'teabaggers?'

Now, to your point that the word carries a negative connotation and isn't "PC," you're probably right. But you are going way too far when you think people are honestly using the term to call members of the teaparty gay, or that they literally teabag, or that the term is hate-filled in any way. It's nowhere close to a hate-filled term like the 'n-word' or '******.' It isn't being used in that way. I don't think anyone is going around calling people 'teabaggers.' "HEY YOU PROTESTER!! YOU'RE A TEABAGGER!!" doesn't hold the same weight as "HEY YOU BLACK PERSON!! YOU'RE A NI****!!" Can you not see that? It is being used to ridicule the members of the teaparty. It's SATIRE.

From the ReTeaParty website, under that heading

With sincerity and respect, we ask that you join us on April 1st, 2009, in sending the Oval Office a Tea Bag, in honor of the party in Boston on December 16, 1773, and in anticipation of its nationwide symbolic re-enactment in the summer of 2009.

If you have had enough, please submit your pledge to send Washington a Tea Bag on April 1st by using the pledge form in the right sidebar.


Show me where they're saying their shoving their balls in others mouths.

[1.8Nate]

Show me where they're saying their shoving their balls in others mouths.
Hahahahaha.

[xshady121]

Oh so they did coin the term.

No. They didn't. One person protester encouraged people to "Tea Bag the Dems before they tea bag you". Another website encouraged you to mail in a tea bag under the heading of "Tea Bag DC".

The first people to use the term "teabaggers" or "teabagging" were liberal pundits and those looking to be insulting.

[xshady121]

It's not the same at all. Once again you're equating race to the Tea Party.

But you're doing the same thing-- taking the words one person uses and broadly applying it to a large base of people. The context shouldn't matter. If it's good for one group of people, it's good for all.

[x togepi x]

It's an insult meant to degrade the followers of the movement.

and this matters why? are we not allowed to criticize people?

[1.8Nate]

No. They didn't. One person protester encouraged people to "Tea Bag the Dems before they tea bag you". Another website encouraged you to mail in a tea bag under the heading of "Tea Bag DC".

The first people to use the term "teabaggers" or "teabagging" were liberal pundits and those looking to be insulting.
It doesn't matter how the left uses it, in the Tea Party's mind they are in fact Teabaggers, or Baggers of Tea.

[whenyourearound]

and this matters why? are we not allowed to criticize people?

zingggggggg

[xshady121]

Sooooo. Shady, you're a moron. Did you miss this? This isn't 'one protester' this stemmed out of the teaparty movement itself.

"Teabag the fools in DC on Tax Day."
^Headline of an article on ReTeaParty.com, one of the main sites of the teaparty movement.
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/21987028/a-2009-tea-party.htm
^Fox mentioning the article on their show, using the verb teabag

If you are someone that is going to 'teabag' isn't the proper term for those doing the verb called 'teabaggers?'

Now, to your point that the word carries a negative connotation and isn't "PC," you're probably right. But you are going way too far when you think people are honestly using the term to call members of the teaparty gay, or that they literally teabag, or that the term is hate-filled in any way. It's nowhere close to a hate-filled term like the 'n-word' or '******.' It isn't being used in that way. I don't think anyone is going around calling people 'teabaggers.' "HEY YOU PROTESTER!! YOU'RE A TEABAGGER!!" doesn't hold the same weight as "HEY YOU BLACK PERSON!! YOU'RE A NI****!!" Can you not see that? It is being used to ridicule the members of the teaparty. It's SATIRE. It's IRONIC that they chose the word that was synonymous with putting balls in someones mouth.

It's being used as an insult. In that regard they are both the same.

[xshady121]

and this matters why? are we not allowed to criticize people?

Criticizing and insulting are not the same thing. You know that.

[x togepi x]

i don't see why insults are all that bad.

[x togepi x]

Criticizing and insulting are not the same thing. You know that.

i would argue that the satirical implications of teabagger are critical of the media constructed nature of the movement and its corporate origins.

[ambulance]

No. They didn't. One person protester encouraged people to "Tea Bag the Dems before they tea bag you". Another website encouraged you to mail in a tea bag under the heading of "Tea Bag DC".

The first people to use the term "teabaggers" or "teabagging" were liberal pundits and those looking to be insulting.

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY SUPPOSE TO CALL THEM. HOLY SHIT. VERB TEABAG THOSE THAT DO THE VERB = TEABAGGERS

IT IS JUST IRONIC THAT THE TERM HAD ANOTHER MEANING. GOD.

I can't even be logical with you anymore.

[1.8Nate]

But you're doing the same thing-- taking the words one person uses and broadly applying it to a large base of people. The context shouldn't matter. If it's good for one group of people, it's good for all.
No, you are oversimplifying things to better your argument. You know it's not the same and you just won't admit it. And if you truly believe that the term "teabagger" = the "n" word, then like I said, you have a fucked up set of morals.

[zion the lion]

Zion, get the fuck out of this thread. Right now my opinion of you is so high that I don't want you to fuck that up.

You'll likely prove my point, but I like keeping my compliments and I'm exhausted, so this actually works out for both of us.

[loveisdead]

I agree with Togepi's point that if Keith Olbermann never existed we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

[xshady121]

You'll likely prove my point, but I like keeping my compliments and I'm exhausted, so this actually works out for both of us.

Does this mean I'm off of your suicide note?