I blame grunge

[SHZA]

For ruining rock and roll. Discuss.

[Paulb-182]

Well, then you're an idiot.

[indietrash]

if you by "grunge" mean Nirvana then they probably saved it. j/s.

[bard]

if you think "rock and roll" is dead/gone/etc... then you're a moron. listen to more music

[briewer]

In what way is it ruined? And what the hell is "rock and roll" in the first place?

[EvilZeppelin]

Your a idiot. Discuss.

Fixed.

[spevin]

yep, an idiot.

[ryanhorizons]

For ruining rock and roll. Discuss.

yah dude you are a fucking idiot. sorry to break it to you. but grunge is rock n roll. it is the spirit of rock n roll. poor working class people telling it like it is. you must listen to brokencyde, in the burbs.

[Mibabalou]

wow

grunge is our only hope right now

we need a really good grunge band to get rid of all this auto-tune-shit

[xohalezz]

agreed. auto-tune is rediculous, theres nothing real about it, and it's ruing god music. In 20 years, will people remember T-Pain as one of music's most influential faces? I think not.

[cshadows2887]

Grunge sucked. But so did hair metal. So, it's irrelevant.

[Cuddleworthy]

suck = irrelevant [2]

[mht]

lol what? some of the best bands/trends still used today came from grunge.



how many hardcore kids are wearing vans/flannel/beanie hats right now? talk about the 90s

[love_american_style]

shows how much you know about the evolution of music.

[bandnamexmyname]

what do you mean by grunge? you mean like nickelback? :)

[bladerdude360]

Cool.

[yayitsjoe]

you, sir, are dumb.

[Jali]

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/obvious_troll.jpg

[PunksNotDead!]

wow

grunge is our only hope right now

we need a really good grunge band to get rid of all this auto-tune-shit
i agree but i dont think that any good real grunge bands can get big anymore because post grunge and nu metal ruined everything for the true grunge bands

[chaosinshoes]

yah dude you are a fucking idiot. sorry to break it to you. but grunge is rock n roll. it is the spirit of rock n roll. poor working class people telling it like it is. you must listen to brokencyde, in the burbs.

If by "telling it like it is" you mean being over dramatic and earning more a year then i do. Then Yes.

[ryanhorizons]

youre 19 dude, get over yourself. if you live because of money i hope you have a shity life

[SHZA]

if you by "grunge" mean Nirvana then they probably saved it. j/s.

The entry of Nirvana, and grunge into the music scene put less emphasis on musicianship, which is a key essential to rock and roll. The lack of musicianship is what came from grunge, killed glam rock(which however fake it was, still produced great musicians) and produced very few bands that would stand the test of time. Pearl Jam is tolerable, although Eddie Vedder's solo efforts trump anything that Pearl Jam Ever did.

[SHZA]

if you think "rock and roll" is dead/gone/etc... then you're a moron. listen to more music

It is dead and gone. What you may consider rock and roll may be different then myself, but instead of slinging insults, how about some discussion with substance?

[SHZA]

yah dude you are a fucking idiot. sorry to break it to you. but grunge is rock n roll. it is the spirit of rock n roll. poor working class people telling it like it is. you must listen to brokencyde, in the burbs.

Grunge is the opposite of rock and roll. It is the anti-rock and roll in fact. As much as anyone hates to admit it, rock and toll is just as about the image, mystique and the rock star as it is about musicianship. Grunge had none of that. Kurt Cobain was always whining about something. The only thing he had in common with rock and roll was his heroin addiction. Actually read into a lot of rock and roll bands and you will realize that a lot of them came from middle class families who could actually afford the instruments that produced these musicians. And if I listened to Brokencyde, why would I bother to post this thread, as they are completely separate from what I am talking about. And I live in Montana. There are no suburbs in Montana

[SHZA]

wow

grunge is our only hope right now

we need a really good grunge band to get rid of all this auto-tune-shit

No, you need a really good rock band. A band that is capable of playing arenas, selling millions of records, and captivating their audience as a group. The closest thing I can think of was this pseudo movement with The Strokes, The Hives, The Vines etc. And even that's a stretch. Get someone who can actually play their instruments. Look at Wolfmother. They are the closest thing I can think of at the moment.

[SHZA]

lol what? some of the best bands/trends still used today came from grunge.



how many hardcore kids are wearing vans/flannel/beanie hats right now? talk about the 90s

Yah man....flannel is awesome...

[cshadows2887]

The entry of Nirvana, and grunge into the music scene put less emphasis on musicianship, which is a key essential to rock and roll. The lack of musicianship is what came from grunge, killed glam rock(which however fake it was, still produced great musicians) and produced very few bands that would stand the test of time. Pearl Jam is tolerable, although Eddie Vedder's solo efforts trump anything that Pearl Jam Ever did.

Interesting how grunge in the early 90's killed glam in the 70's. That's quite a feat.

[SHZA]

shows how much you know about the evolution of music.

Try me. I'll carry on a conversation with you about anything from the 40's until present. I'm quite knowledgeable.

[bard]

It is dead and gone. What you may consider rock and roll may be different then myself, but instead of slinging insults, how about some discussion with substance?
how about using the search function?

[cshadows2887]

how about using the search function?

Fuck search, someone teach him to multiquote.

[xJesusFreakx]

The entry of Nirvana, and grunge into the music scene put less emphasis on musicianship, which is a key essential to rock and roll. The lack of musicianship is what came from grunge, killed glam rock(which however fake it was, still produced great musicians) and produced very few bands that would stand the test of time. Pearl Jam is tolerable, although Eddie Vedder's solo efforts trump anything that Pearl Jam Ever did.

Wrong.

Grunge is the opposite of rock and roll. It is the anti-rock and roll in fact. As much as anyone hates to admit it, rock and toll is just as about the image, mystique and the rock star as it is about musicianship. Grunge had none of that. Kurt Cobain was always whining about something. The only thing he had in common with rock and roll was his heroin addiction. Actually read into a lot of rock and roll bands and you will realize that a lot of them came from middle class families who could actually afford the instruments that produced these musicians. And if I listened to Brokencyde, why would I bother to post this thread, as they are completely separate from what I am talking about. And I live in Montana. There are no suburbs in Montana

Kurt had a definite image and mystique to him, making him a rock star.

[SHZA]

Interesting how grunge in the early 90's killed glam in the 70's. That's quite a feat.


Ok...let's call it hair metal then. GnR, Poison, Van Halen, Motley Crue etc.

[bard]

Fuck search, someone teach him to multiquote.
haha, yeah

[cshadows2887]

Ok...let's call it hair metal then. GnR, Poison, Van Halen, Motley Crue etc.

That's a bit more accurate.

[love_american_style]

Try me. I'll carry on a conversation with you about anything from the 40's until present. I'm quite knowledgeable.

ehh...I respect grunge for what it did. Kill that cock rock 80's hair metal shit that made rock n roll look like a freak show.

what it did was simplify all that arena rock and made it rock n roll modest and heart felt instad of singing songs about partying and girls, girls, girls. I really don't listen to grunge anymore but it helped usher modern music into a new form and inspired so many bands today. Everybody knows it...even dogs know it.

[SHZA]

Wrong.



Kurt had a definite image and mystique to him, making him a rock star.

How is that wrong?

haha, yeah
Noted. I didn't know there was such thing.
you, sir, are dumb.
Do you have anything relevant to add to this conversation besides trying to get your post count up?
what do you mean by grunge? you mean like nickelback? :)
I'm going to assume that is a joke. Although they probably stemmed from grunge, which if true, makes me hate grunge THAT much more.

[love_american_style]

I'm going to assume that is a joke. Although they probably stemmed from grunge, which if true, makes me hate grunge THAT much more.

if Nickelback was influenced by anything it was 80's rock.

[xJesusFreakx]

How is that wrong?

The Ramones were pretty rock 'n' roll, and they didn't have great musicianship. In fact, they strived to return rock 'n' roll to its dirty, no-frills roots with their straightforward rock music. This is the best counterexample that I have off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are more.

[oddwithoutend]

Recently, someone claimed that punk is the opposite of pop, and now we have someone saying grunge is the opposite of rock. This is getting gross.

[SHZA]

ehh...I respect grunge for what it did. Kill that cock rock 80's hair metal shit that made rock n roll look like a freak show.

what it did was simplify all that arena rock and made it rock n roll modest and heart felt instad of singing songs about partying and girls, girls, girls. I really don't listen to grunge anymore but it helped usher modern music into a new form and inspired so many bands today. Everybody knows it...even dogs know it.

While the lyrical content is admittedly dumbed down, there is no denying the musicianship today is not on par with what it was in the late 80's(for the most part). The image and stage theatrics were for performance sake. They made concerts a production, got the crowd involved and they came away from it with an experience, rather than a concert These rock stars didn't go walking around the mall in 8 inch platforms with makeup all over their face. I don't doubt that they influenced bands today. I am saying that that is the problem.

[xJesusFreakx]

Recently, someone claimed that punk is the opposite of pop, and now we have someone saying grunge is the opposite of rock. This is getting gross.

Deathcore is the opposite of metalcore, man!

[SHZA]

The Ramones were pretty rock 'n' roll, and they didn't have great musicianship. In fact, they strived to return rock 'n' roll to its dirty, no-frills roots with their straightforward rock music. This is the best counterexample that I have off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are more.

Rock 'n' rolls roots are in extremely skilled blue's musicians from the 40's and 50's, not power chords.

[cshadows2887]

While the lyrical content is admittedly dumbed down, there is no denying the musicianship today is not on par with what it was in the late 80's(for the most part).

Wrong. I will direct you immediately to the Dragonforce thread.

[cshadows2887]

Recently, someone claimed that punk is the opposite of pop, and now we have someone saying grunge is the opposite of rock. This is getting gross.

If by gross, you mean amusing, I agree.

[love_american_style]

While the lyrical content is admittedly dumbed down, there is no denying the musicianship today is not on par with what it was in the late 80's(for the most part). The image and stage theatrics were for performance sake. They made concerts a production, got the crowd involved and they came away from it with an experience, rather than a concert These rock stars didn't go walking around the mall in 8 inch platforms with makeup all over their face. I don't doubt that they influenced bands today. I am saying that that is the problem.

well if thats your case then i would suggest going to watch a Broadway musical.

Grunge was anti all that flashiness and focused more on the guts and soul which is what Rock n roll was in the first place. Of course punk played a big roll in this as well.

If you don't like the music that came out of that era, thats understandable. But to say it ruined rock n roll is just false. Thats like saying Jimi Hendrix ruined blues or NWA ruined hip hop.

[xJesusFreakx]

Rock 'n' rolls roots are in extremely skilled blue's musicians from the 40's and 50's, not power chords.

This doesn't exactly help your case, though. Rock 'n' roll has clearly had many incarnations from its roots to now. Your argument that grunge lacked stars is shattered by the iconic Kurt Cobain, and your musicianship argument falls apart with examples like The Ramones. (Besides, weren't Pearl Jam influenced quite a bit by blues music? Could be wrong on this point, but I'm pretty sure they were.) Your view of "rock 'n' roll" is simply far too narrow if you can somehow omit grunge.

[SHZA]

Wrong. I will direct you immediately to the Dragonforce thread.

Notice I said for the most part.

[cshadows2887]

well if thats your case then i would suggest going to watch a Broadway musical.

Guess I should sell that West Side Story ticket I bought you as a President's Day gift...

[love_american_style]

Guess I should sell that West Side Story ticket I bought you as a President's Day gift...

ahh thanks...give 'em to this guy.

[SuchAPerson22]

My dad hates grunge because it killed his 80s hair bands. :shrug:

[love_american_style]

My dad hates grunge because it killed his 80s hair bands. :shrug:

I'm sure he was happy when Kurt blew his head off.

[SuchAPerson22]

I'm sure he was happy when Kurt blew his head off.
Don't even get him started.

[love_american_style]

Don't even get him started.

I will...invite him to this forum and have him sign up for an account so we can make jokes about a dead guy.

[cshadows2887]

I will...invite him to this forum and have him sign up for an account so we can make jokes about a dead guy.


What did the electrician say when he knocked on Cobain's door?
"Where's the head of the house?"

I googled Kurt Cobain jokes. There's a kind of disgustinly large amount of them.

[love_american_style]

What did the electrician say when he knocked on Cobain's door?
"Where's the head of the house?"

I googled Kurt Cobain jokes. There's a kind of disgustinly large amount of them.

as much as I loved Nirvana....i also love these jokes. I'm an imsensitive ass.

[SHZA]

Nirvana Unplugged. That was good. I will give them that. And Heavier Than Heaven. That about exhausts my Nirvana tolerance.

[HometownHero]

lol what? some of the best bands/trends still used today came from grunge.



how many hardcore kids are wearing vans/flannel/beanie hats right now? talk about the 90s

Ya man like Nickleback. I'm so happy grunge was around to set up stuff like that

/grunge sucks

[kearn1tm]

suck = irrelevant [2]

funny observation of something trite = dry humor [2]

[kearn1tm]

Grunge sucked. But so did hair metal. So, it's irrelevant.

What? Wait, Grunge is/was irrelevant? What?

[cshadows2887]

What? Wait, Grunge is/was irrelevant? What?

No. Just how it stacks up quality-wise to hair metal. It obviously was very influential.

[briewer]

This:
The entry of Nirvana, and grunge into the music scene put less emphasis on musicianship, which is a key essential to rock and roll. The lack of musicianship is what came from grunge, killed glam rock(which however fake it was, still produced great musicians) and produced very few bands that would stand the test of time. Pearl Jam is tolerable, although Eddie Vedder's solo efforts trump anything that Pearl Jam Ever did.

Ok...let's call it hair metal then. GnR, Poison, Van Halen, Motley Crue etc.
Contradicts this:

Try me. I'll carry on a conversation with you about anything from the 40's until present. I'm quite knowledgeable.

[cshadows2887]

This:



Contradicts this:

:Chuckle:

[briewer]

:Chuckle:
I try not to judge people based off of their post count because that's obviously pretty low, but the correlation between falsely thinking you know anything and having less than, say, 500 posts is so strong that I hardly give a shit what anyone says with posts below that number.

[cshadows2887]

I try not to judge people based off of their post count because that's obviously pretty low, but the correlation between falsely thinking you know anything and having less than, say, 500 posts is so strong that I hardly give a shit what anyone says with posts below that number.

It's tough. 'Cause you once had less than 500 posts too. But it gets harder and harder not to judge, I'll admit. I try to be like Tim and when they say something obviously n00bish just welcome them to the site. But I don't do it as often as I'd like.

[SuchAPerson22]

I will...invite him to this forum and have him sign up for an account so we can make jokes about a dead guy.
Hahaha The worst part about this is that he totally would if I really asked him to. But I would not do that to the people of Absolutepunk.
On second thought...

[Cuddleworthy]

funny observation of something trite = dry humor [3]

there ya go

[Sic Transit Zeb]

This:



Contradicts this:

Illini FTW

[cshadows2887]

Wait a fucking minute. I didn't even notice. Did he lump Van Halen with Motley Crue? The fuck?

[joeag1985]

Grunge. Yuck.

[love_american_style]

did this guy even come back and defend his case?

[indietrash]

The entry of Nirvana, and grunge into the music scene put less emphasis on musicianship, which is a key essential to rock and roll. The lack of musicianship is what came from grunge, killed glam rock(which however fake it was, still produced great musicians) and produced very few bands that would stand the test of time. Pearl Jam is tolerable, although Eddie Vedder's solo efforts trump anything that Pearl Jam Ever did.

the fact that they moved focus from technical abilities to heart was what made Nirvana great.

[IntoTheSun]

Recently, someone claimed that punk is the opposite of pop, and now we have someone saying grunge is the opposite of rock. This is getting gross.

Best post.

Just don't throw up near me, please.

[Theseventhson]

Cool story, bro. Rock 'n' Roll died when Jerry Lee Lewis married his cousin's daughter.

[briewer]

Cool story, bro. Rock 'n' Roll died when Jerry Lee Lewis married his cousin's daughter.
Exactly what I'm confused about. Isn't rock and roll a genre that died in the 60's?

[yayitsjoe]

How is that wrong?


Noted. I didn't know there was such thing.

Do you have anything relevant to add to this conversation besides trying to get your post count up?

I'm going to assume that is a joke. Although they probably stemmed from grunge, which if true, makes me hate grunge THAT much more.

yeah i did, asshole, how about you give us a reason why grunge ruined music?

[cshadows2887]

Best post.

Just don't throw up near me, please.

The smell of that plus the poop you listen to would be unbearable.

[cwya]

While the lyrical content is admittedly dumbed down, there is no denying the musicianship today is not on par with what it was in the late 80's(for the most part). The image and stage theatrics were for performance sake. They made concerts a production, got the crowd involved and they came away from it with an experience, rather than a concert These rock stars didn't go walking around the mall in 8 inch platforms with makeup all over their face. I don't doubt that they influenced bands today. I am saying that that is the problem.
Bands play music to have fun. People listen to music to have fun. Bands play music at concerts for people to listen to so they can have fun together. If a band doesn't need strobe lights and makeup to get their kicks, and the people listening don't need over the top visual stimulation, then it's all good.

[IntoTheSun]

The smell of that plus the poop you listen to would be unbearable.

I hope a bird pooped on you today, or better yet, pooped in your food when you weren't looking.

[cshadows2887]

I hope a bird pooped on you today, or better yet, pooped in your food when you weren't looking.

HAHAHAHAHA. My family is looking at me weird because I just spontaneously burst out in violent laughter.

[Cuddleworthy]

The smell of that plus the poop you listen to would be unbearable.

lolllllllllll

[SHZA]

I try not to judge people based off of their post count because that's obviously pretty low, but the correlation between falsely thinking you know anything and having less than, say, 500 posts is so strong that I hardly give a shit what anyone says with posts below that number.
Because having a high post count on what once was a blink 182 fan site makes one knowledgeable about music.
Wait a fucking minute. I didn't even notice. Did he lump Van Halen with Motley Crue? The fuck?
Sammy Hagar joined Van Halen in 85 I believe. I try not to lump the David Lee Roth era in with the Sammy Hagar era. Regardless. Van halen was a prominent band in the late 80's. Worse than they were prior to Hagar, but prominent none the less. That is why I lumped them in there.
yeah i did, asshole, how about you give us a reason why grunge ruined music?

Read a number of my posts and that will answer your question. And I said Rock 'n' roll, not music.

[cshadows2887]

Sammy Hagar joined Van Halen in 85 I believe. I try not to lump the David Lee Roth era in with the Sammy Hagar era. Regardless. Van halen was a prominent band in the late 80's. Worse than they were prior to Hagar, but prominent none the less. That is why I lumped them in there.

Even Van Hagar was not hair metal. You keep your heresy to yourself.

[SHZA]

Even Van Hagar was not hair metal. You keep your heresy to yourself.

Sammy Hagar's hair was metal. Anyway, you get the point about musicianship I was trying to make

[cshadows2887]

Sammy Hagar's hair was metal. Anyway, you get the point about musicianship I was trying to make

Yes I do. I just disagree as strongly as humanly possible.

[SHZA]

Yes I do. I just disagree as strongly as humanly possible.

Fair enough. All I wanted was some good conversation. Civil as possible. It looks like we can both agree that The Boss kicks ass.

[briewer]

Because having a high post count on what once was a blink 182 fan site makes one knowledgeable about music.
And yet you still think that hair metal and glam rock are the same thing and that a 90's music trend killed a 50's music trend. The paradigm still succeeds!

[IntoTheSun]

lol

I think Brian is getting even better at the biting comments than Todd.

[kearn1tm]

No. Just how it stacks up quality-wise to hair metal. It obviously was very influential.

Grunge was much better. I mean, have you even listened to Mudhoney?

there ya go

[snugglebaby]

[Cuddleworthy]

[snugglebaby]

are you hitting on me?

[kearn1tm]

are you hitting on me?

Sassydeserving

[Cuddleworthy]

Sassydeserving

surrealism: an archaic term. formerly an art movement. no longer distinguishable from everyday life.

[IntoTheSun]

This exchange is rather adorable, without quotations.

[DejaNew]

Wow. Just, wow.

[kearn1tm]

surrealism: an archaic term. formerly an art movement. no longer distinguishable from everyday life.

embraceprecious

[kearn1tm]

This exchange is rather adorable, without quotations.

Who the fuck do you think you are?

[IntoTheSun]

Who the fuck do you think you are?

Asian privileges.

[DejaNew]

Asian privileges.
Nobody gives a shit that you're Asian, Ando.

[kearn1tm]

The smell of that plus the poop you listen to would be unbearable.

In Andrea's defense, she could mention the fact that you love Damien Rice or Jack's Mannequin or Taking Back Sunday, or City and Colour or Michelle Branch or Copeland, etc for an easy "pot and kettle" retort.

[IntoTheSun]

Nobody gives a shit that you're Asian, Ando.

Love you too, brah. No homo.

[Rawrr]

How can you say no to this?

http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/tad-press1.gif

Jus' look at those guys..

[IntoTheSun]

In Andrea's defense, she could mention the fact that you love Damien Rice or Jack's Mannequin or Taking Back Sunday, or City and Colour or Michelle Branch or Copeland, etc for an easy "pot and kettle" retort.
The Microphones. Poop.

It's an inside joke of sorts. Don't worry about it...unless you want to venture into the unknown waters of the "Selena Gomez and The Scene (Official Thread)" that Tim made last night.

[DejaNew]

Love you too, brah. No homo.
Alright, bro. I accept.

[kearn1tm]

Asian privileges.

Nobody gives a shit that you're Asian, Ando.

This exchange is rather adorable, without quotations.

[Rawrr]

Can this just turn into a glam rock appreciation thread?

[kearn1tm]

The Microphones. Poop.

It's an inside joke of sorts. Don't worry about it...unless you want to venture into the unknown waters of the "Selena Gomez and The Scene (Official Thread)" that Tim made last night.

I bet it becomes another boring chat thread for you, Tim, Rick, that other guy, and the one guy.

[kearn1tm]

opZR1V31UYw

If you don't like this song, that you can just fuck the hell off. And yes, The Microphones is boring music, unlike their chief influence Boys II Men (circa 2000).

[DejaNew]

This exchange is rather adorable, without quotations.
Glad somebody finally noticed. You could cut the sexual tension with a knife.

Can this just turn into a glam rock appreciation thread?
http://carpatia.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/135834__new_york_dolls_l1.jpg

[x togepi x]

surrealism: an archaic term. formerly an art movement. no longer distinguishable from everyday life.

this may have been the most pretentious thing i've ever read, and i'm currently rereading anti-oedipus.

[Rawrr]

Electric Warrior > T. Rex > The Slider >

Discuss.

[IntoTheSun]

I bet it becomes another boring chat thread for you, Tim, Rick, that other guy, and the one guy.

And yes, The Microphones is boring music, unlike their chief influence Boys II Men (circa 2000).

No.

[x togepi x]

the microphones played a house show here and i totally didn't go because i didn't want to fall asleep and get judged by boring dudes in v-necks for doing so.

[oddwithoutend]

Well, no one likes falling asleep.

[IntoTheSun]

Not even during a boring lecture?

[x togepi x]

actually it was mount eeiry but oh well.

[Cuddleworthy]

someone i know fell asleep during a rise against set

[Rawrr]

Mount Eerie had all this gong shit going on their last tour, should've went for that, art.

[liarsenic678]

Hair metal did more damage to rock ad roll in my opinion than grunge

[DejaNew]

someone i know fell asleep during a rise against set
How the fuck? Even if you weren't interested, you'd be kept awake from the screaming and distortion. Must have been pretty drunk.

[Cuddleworthy]

How the fuck? Even if you weren't interested, you'd be kept awake from the screaming and distortion. Must have been pretty drunk.

dude was straightedge at the time. he was on the side, leaning against a wall. in high school he would fall asleep in class pretty regularly just in his chair without even putting his head down. did not like rise against and said he was just bored out of his mind

[Rawrr]

someone i know fell asleep during a rise against set
I tried to download your avatar a while back, but it was 140MB, the hell?

[briewer]

opZR1V31UYw

If you don't like this song, that you can just fuck the hell off. And yes, The Microphones is boring music, unlike their chief influence Boys II Men (circa 2000).
This song's better:

VX3dXiS3mtw

[Cuddleworthy]

I tried to download your avatar a while back, but it was 140MB, the hell?

2 discs

25 songs

158 minutes

[Cuddleworthy]

my copy is 270mb, a little ridiculous

[Rawrr]

2 discs

25 songs

158 minutes
I know, I didn't know why it came so unexpected. I wanted to try one of their albums that wasn't "drone" or whateverthehell, so this was reccomended to me, is it even worth it to only download one of the discs?

[DejaNew]

dude was straightedge at the time. he was on the side, leaning against a wall. in high school he would fall asleep in class pretty regularly just in his chair without even putting his head down. did not like rise against and said he was just bored out of his mind
Haha that's most likely a first.

[x togepi x]

someone i know fell asleep during a rise against set

my roommate did this.

[IntoTheSun]

Haha that's most likely a first.

my roommate did this.

lol.

You lose, Dom.

[x togepi x]

this was back when they were a punk band too.

[DejaNew]

this was back when they were a punk band too.
Fuck.

You just love pointing out my mistakes, don't you?

[x togepi x]

Fuck.

You just love pointing out my mistakes, don't you?

i didn't even see all of that.

[kearn1tm]

This song's better:

VX3dXiS3mtw

The difference is, I actually sincerely like Boys II Men.

OHzkICG47LU

[kearn1tm]

This exchange is rather adorable, without quotations.

This exchange is rather adorable, without quotations.



Wha?

[The Indigo]

Boyz II Men cover of "Yesterday" is almost better than the original.

[Cuddleworthy]

I know, I didn't know why it came so unexpected. I wanted to try one of their albums that wasn't "drone" or whateverthehell, so this was reccomended to me, is it even worth it to only download one of the discs?

i want to say NO but at the same time i know you have absolutely no space on your hard drive. if you have to pick, the second disc might be a better starting point just because the first disc has both a 15 and a 25 minute song and you'll be like "fuck this." so maybe just get the second disc and then listen to this song which appears on disc 1, via youtube:

faEsz0XLMbQ

[IntoTheSun]

Wha?

"Great minds think alike."

Just don't quote me on that one.

[kearn1tm]

this may have been the most pretentious thing i've ever read, and i'm currently rereading anti-oedipus.

Fuck. I have a prof who keeps talking about how one of these days, he's going to make us read Capitalism and Schizophrenia. From what he mentions, it sounds dense and intimidating.

the microphones played a house show here and i totally didn't go because i didn't want to fall asleep and get judged by boring dudes in v-necks for doing so.

They're boring.

Well, no one likes falling asleep.

I do. Sleep is pretty keen.

[DejaNew]

i didn't even see all of that.
Oops. Meant for Andrea.

[oddwithoutend]

I do. Sleep is pretty keen.
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the v-neck sweater you like to picture me in.

[11:11]

Boyz II Men cover of "Yesterday" is almost better than the original.
Key word right there.

[IntoTheSun]

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the v-neck sweater you like to picture me in.

I don't think those concerts would be very noisy, man.

And Todd, The Microphones to you is what Daisy is to Tim, amirite?

[kearn1tm]

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the v-neck sweater you like to picture me in.

I didn't say anything. I typed it.

[kearn1tm]

Key word right there.

Boys II Men is better than Stars.

Fuck, while I'm at it, Boys II Men is better than the Microphones or Mount Eerie or whatever the piss he's calling himself.

[oddwithoutend]

I didn't say anything. I typed it.
Balmorhea? Yeah, they're not boring.

[briewer]

The difference is, I actually sincerely like Boys II Men.

OHzkICG47LU
And I actually sincerely like whispering "wait till you see my dick" to people from behind.

[Cuddleworthy]

and i sincerely like boring music so fuck you all

[IntoTheSun]

Balmorhea? Yeah, they're not boring.

Oh good, I thought I was the only one who didn't think diarrhea was too exciting.

[Rawrr]

Yeah, theres nothing wrong with boring music at all. Or something.

[cshadows2887]

Three main points:

1. I actually dig quite a lot of Andrea's music tastes (which include Damien Rice, mind you). As she said, inside joke.

2. I totally support this becoming a glam-rock appreciation thread. Electric Warrior is the shit.

3. I wholeheartedly back Todd's love for Boyz II Men. Which may or may not make him second guess said love. But "End of the Road," "4 Seasons of Loneliness" and "One Sweet Day" are phenomenal slow-jams.

[IntoTheSun]

and i sincerely like boring music so fuck you all

We like Shwee Shwee.

[briewer]

and i sincerely like boring music so fuck you all
:highfive:

[Rawrr]

and i sincerely like boring music so fuck you all
Snooping around your last.fm, your a Skins fan? I'm on Series One right now and I love how ridiculous every plot on this show is. ok. also, why with the minimalism on your last.fm page? ok. bye.

[kearn1tm]

Balmorhea? Yeah, they're not boring.

and Boys II Men are better than them too.

and i sincerely like boring music so fuck you all

TELL ME MOAR

[oddwithoutend]

and Boys II Men are better than them too.
You don't have to raise your voice.

[kearn1tm]

Three main points:

1. I actually dig quite a lot of Andrea's music tastes (which include Damien Rice, mind you). As she said, inside joke.

2. I totally support this becoming a glam-rock appreciation thread. Electric Warrior is the shit.

3. I wholeheartedly back Todd's love for Boyz II Men. Which may or may not make him second guess said love. But "End of the Road," "4 Seasons of Loneliness" and "One Sweet Day" are phenomenal slow-jams.

I love all of the early Boys II Men videos where Michael Bivins appears in each of them to make a rap about how he discovered the group. By the eight cut off of the first album, we got it. In his defense, Bel Biv DeVoe was the superior of the New Jack Swing acts.

[Cuddleworthy]

Snooping around your last.fm, your a Skins fan? I'm on Series One right now and I love how ridiculous every plot on this show is. ok. also, why with the minimalism on your last.fm page? ok. bye.

show isn't that great but i enjoy mindless entertainment on occasion, so yeah. series one i thought was decent, series 2 is far and away the best. 3 is the same plots rehashed with a new but directly parallel cast. they play great tunes though which is nice

as for lastfm, i've been trying to distance myself from that community for several reasons. just dont have the balls to delete my profile yet

[kearn1tm]

You don't have to raise your voice.

Should I mumble it over a bunch of spooky noise? No, I should do it like this:

zDKO6XYXioc&feature=channel

I fucking love them.

[kearn1tm]

as for lastfm, i've been trying to distance myself from that community for several reasons. just dont have the balls to delete my profile yet

That community? Why?

[Cuddleworthy]

TELL ME MOAR

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvw3miwUKd1qzezj5o1_500.jpg

[Rawrr]

I never really got a "community" aspect from Last.fm, I don't know, it's just a good place to waste time and read about obscure bands to impress my friends who are all fans of The Temper Trap..

or something.

[cshadows2887]

I love all of the early Boys II Men videos where Michael Bivins appears in each of them to make a rap about how he discovered the group. By the eight cut off of the first album, we got it. In his defense, Bel Biv DeVoe was the superior of the New Jack Swing acts.

I always liked them better as balladeers than when they were doing the New Jack Swing thing anyway. I actually just found II and Evolution in my closet with a bunch of CD's I disowned. Needless to say, they immediately went into my ipod.

[kearn1tm]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvw3miwUKd1qzezj5o1_500.jpg

http://www.listze.com/uploads/item-2510.jpg

I never really got a "community" aspect from Last.fm, I don't know, it's just a good place to waste time and read about obscure bands to impress my friends who are all fans of The Temper Trap..

or something.

I like it because it's a snapshot of what I was listening to at a particular time in my life. It's fun to document my music-obsessions and what albums/artists were meaningful at what part of my year(s). It's nifty. I also like how it organizes local show recs based on my played artists and occasionally, I'll discover a band I never knew of from their rec system, which is cool.

So yeah, I like it a lot.

I always liked them better as balladeers than when they were doing the New Jack Swing thing anyway. I actually just found II and Evolution in my closet with a bunch of CD's I disowned. Needless to say, they immediately went into my ipod.

I'm much more into the Motownphilly-esque sound. That cut was rad. However, my favorite track of theirs is Pass You By from the much maligned and ignored Nathan Michael Shawn Wanya. That was a return to form and no one bought it.

[11:11]

Boys II Men is better than Stars.

Fuck, while I'm at it, Boys II Men is better than the Microphones or Mount Eerie or whatever the piss he's calling himself.
I like Boyz II Men though, that wasn't an insult :shrug:. I listen to II a lot.

[cshadows2887]

I'm much more into the Motownphilly-esque sound. That cut was rad. However, my favorite track of theirs is Pass You By from the much maligned and ignored Nathan Michael Shawn Wanya. That was a return to form and no one bought it.

Guilty as charged. Though now I want to check that record out.

[cshadows2887]

I'm much more into the Motownphilly-esque sound. That cut was rad. However, my favorite track of theirs is Pass You By from the much maligned and ignored Nathan Michael Shawn Wanya. That was a return to form and no one bought it.

Guilty as charged. Though now I want to check that record out.

[x togepi x]

Fuck. I have a prof who keeps talking about how one of these days, he's going to make us read Capitalism and Schizophrenia. From what he mentions, it sounds dense and intimidating.

it's the hardest thing i've ever read. i've read it like three times and i think i understand it but i have professors who claim to not which leads me to think i didn't. even the wiki project for it is hard to read.

[Cuddleworthy]

I never really got a "community" aspect from Last.fm, I don't know, it's just a good place to waste time and read about obscure bands to impress my friends who are all fans of The Temper Trap..

or something.

you just didn't waste enough time there. the 'community' aspect is not as obvious there as it is here because cliques exist mostly through groups, but also people who will frequently the same shoutboxes regularly, etc. there are upsides and downsides: people there generally listen to better music, but many are douches. too many unfunny trolls. rahrahrah

[kearn1tm]

I like Boyz II Men though, that wasn't an insult :shrug:. I listen to II a lot.

Dude, that wasn't an insult either. Boys II Men is better than most.

Guilty as charged. Though now I want to check that record out.

Word.

it's the hardest thing i've ever read. i've read it like three times and i think i understand it but i have professors who claim to not which leads me to think i didn't. even the wiki project for it is hard to read.

That terrifies me.

[x togepi x]

That terrifies me.

haha. did you ever try reading being and time?

[Cuddleworthy]

http://www.listze.com/uploads/item-2510.jpg


http://gyazo.com/bc41c27bf3d1eceeb50097f1e39a847f.pn g

[kearn1tm]

haha. did you ever try reading being and time?

Excerpts while studying hermeneutics. Our prof kinda spoonfed it to us with his own interpretations. I learned what I needed to take a quiz.

[11:11]

Dude, that wasn't an insult either. Boys II Men is better than most.



Word.



That terrifies me.
Oh, ok. I thought it was one of those "You don't like mine, well FUCK YOURS" kind of things haha. My bad.

Isn't "Thank You" such an awesome opener?

[mmmmmpoetry]

I blame the seventies for all my troubles.

[x togepi x]

Excerpts while studying hermeneutics. Our prof kinda spoonfed it to us with his own interpretations. I learned what I needed to take a quiz.

see we don't have classes on this at all really so i had to read that shit by myself.

i am the black sheep of my dept. my last paper i turned in all the professor wrote at the bottom was "i know everything you're saying is wrong but i can't find anything wrong with what you wrote. A, i guess"

[kearn1tm]

see we don't have classes on this at all really so i had to read that shit by myself.

Fuck man. This isn't even my major. I just followed a prof I really liked from a lit theory class to a western philosophy class. The only thing I've read on my own is some Foucault and Baudrillard and, well, everyone reads them.

i am the black sheep of my dept. my last paper i turned in all the professor wrote at the bottom was "i know everything you're saying is wrong but i can't find anything wrong with what you wrote. A, i guess"

Ha. How is it "wrong?"

[DejaNew]

http://gyazo.com/bc41c27bf3d1eceeb50097f1e39a847f.pn g
:appl:

Amazing.

[x togepi x]

Fuck man. This isn't even my major. I just followed a prof I really liked from a lit theory class to a western philosophy class.

Well i mean, I read it but also used some intro to postmodernism books and wikipedia but I still made it through somehow.

The only thing I've read on my own is some Foucault and Baudrillard and, well, everyone reads them.

Not here.

Only one class teaches Foucault, and nobody teaches Baudrillard.



Ha. How is it "wrong?"

my dept. are hardcore analytical philosophers, which means anything pomo/existentialist is wrong.

[yayitsjoe]

Because having a high post count on what once was a blink 182 fan site makes one knowledgeable about music.

Sammy Hagar joined Van Halen in 85 I believe. I try not to lump the David Lee Roth era in with the Sammy Hagar era. Regardless. Van halen was a prominent band in the late 80's. Worse than they were prior to Hagar, but prominent none the less. That is why I lumped them in there.


Read a number of my posts and that will answer your question. And I said Rock 'n' roll, not music.

i'm so tired of genres.

you're just looking for an argument.

[kearn1tm]

my dept. are hardcore analytical philosophers, which means anything pomo/existentialist is wrong.

Huh. If I were a Philosophy major here, I'd have a decent amount of options. It's just a bit odd that they'd only go with one dimension of philosophy for an entire department.

[jonny4star]

grunge blows

[kearn1tm]

grunge blows

Mudhoney > Coldplay

[amazingest]

The entry of Nirvana, and grunge into the music scene put less emphasis on musicianship, which is a key essential to rock and roll. The lack of musicianship is what came from grunge, killed glam rock(which however fake it was, still produced great musicians) and produced very few bands that would stand the test of time. Pearl Jam is tolerable, although Eddie Vedder's solo efforts trump anything that Pearl Jam Ever did.

last time i checked, Nirvana had one of the best drummers of all time. anyone missing this?

is a great musician a show off guitar player who robotically plays scales at break neck speeds and arpeggios up and down the song?

i tend to think a great musician writes soulful heartfelt catchy tunes.

[Theseventhson]

Mudhoney > Coldplay
I approve of this post.

[cshadows2887]

last time i checked, Nirvana had one of the best drummers of all time. anyone missing this?

is a great musician a show off guitar player who robotically plays scales at break neck speeds and arpeggios up and down the song?

i tend to think a great musician writes soulful heartfelt catchy tunes.

Dave Grohl is a great songwriter and a capable guitarist. He is NOT one of the best drummers of all time.

[Jali]

Dave Grohl is a great songwriter and a capable guitarist. He is NOT one of the best drummers of all time.
You're opinion. I rate him very highly (although i still think chad channing was better). Big, heavy, hard hitting chunky drums. Perfik.

I just thought of something. Why would someone join up to a punk forum if they thought that one of the key features of rock n' roll was musicianship. I mean, punk is supposed to be stripped down and is usually simple. Now, i know that most of the people on this forum aren't just into punk but if you don't like simplicity, you can't really like punk, and if you don't like punk at all then why the fuck would you join a forum called "absolute punk"?!

[love_american_style]

How can you say no to this?

http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/tad-press1.gif

Jus' look at those guys..

lol that dude stage dives!!!!

[blebbio]

what do you mean by grunge? you mean like nickelback? :)

lol

[Cuddleworthy]

that smiley face really did it

[PunksNotDead!]

last time i checked, Nirvana had one of the best drummers of all time. anyone missing this?

is a great musician a show off guitar player who robotically plays scales at break neck speeds and arpeggios up and down the song?

i tend to think a great musician writes soulful heartfelt catchy tunes.
this.

i like Dave Grohl more as a frontman than just a drummer though. i still love his drumming

[x togepi x]

Huh. If I were a Philosophy major here, I'd have a decent amount of options. It's just a bit odd that they'd only go with one dimension of philosophy for an entire department.

it's not by choice, it's a thing of necessity. there's a hiring freeze here and has been for a couple years. they've had professors retire or leave and the other professors had to teach their classes or teach other classes to replace them instead of hiring someone else. they were in the process of hiring someone who could teach classes like that, and probably would have, but couldn't because of it.

that means that when they tried to offer postmodernism as a class, nobody took it and the professor never felt like trying to offer it again.

[SHZA]

You're opinion. I rate him very highly (although i still think chad channing was better). Big, heavy, hard hitting chunky drums. Perfik.

I just thought of something. Why would someone join up to a punk forum if they thought that one of the key features of rock n' roll was musicianship. I mean, punk is supposed to be stripped down and is usually simple. Now, i know that most of the people on this forum aren't just into punk but if you don't like simplicity, you can't really like punk, and if you don't like punk at all then why the fuck would you join a forum called "absolute punk"?!

Because it is clearly not just a punk site. I've been frequenting this site for a good four years, just recently getting into the forums. I stated that grunge ruined a specific sector of music. Not music as a whole. Blink 182 is probably my favorite bands of all time. They are clearly sub par musicians with the exception of Travis. I am not segmented to one form of music. I just feel a certain way about grunge music. Do I consider Blink rock 'n' roll? Nope. Nor do I consider Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green River or Mudhoney rock 'n' roll. I like hundreds of artists from the 90's and 00's. Most just aren't rock 'n' roll. You dig?
.

[bard]

last time i checked, Nirvana had one of the best drummers of all time. anyone missing this?

is a great musician a show off guitar player who robotically plays scales at break neck speeds and arpeggios up and down the song?

i tend to think a great musician writes soulful heartfelt catchy tunes.
if you think that Dave Grohl is ANYWHERE NEAR the best drummers of all time, i feel bad for you. listen to more music.

[Carlo Marx]

i blame four year strong.

[IWasaCamera]

Because it is clearly not just a punk site. I've been frequenting this site for a good four years, just recently getting into the forums. I stated that grunge ruined a specific sector of music. Not music as a whole. Blink 182 is probably my favorite bands of all time. They are clearly sub par musicians with the exception of Travis. I am not segmented to one form of music. I just feel a certain way about grunge music. Do I consider Blink rock 'n' roll? Nope. Nor do I consider Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green River or Mudhoney rock 'n' roll. I like hundreds of artists from the 90's and 00's. Most just aren't rock 'n' roll. You dig?
.
Provide an accurate definition of rock 'n' roll. Only with clear delineations will users be able to reply within your framework and maybe get somewhere. Until then, this will just be a back-and-forth regarding what constitutes rock/musicianship/etc. and what doesn't.

[kearn1tm]

it's not by choice, it's a thing of necessity. there's a hiring freeze here and has been for a couple years. they've had professors retire or leave and the other professors had to teach their classes or teach other classes to replace them instead of hiring someone else. they were in the process of hiring someone who could teach classes like that, and probably would have, but couldn't because of it.

that means that when they tried to offer postmodernism as a class, nobody took it and the professor never felt like trying to offer it again.

You're in grad school currently, right? Are you planning on masters work or transferring to another school after this? Also, just out of curiosity, do you plan on teaching?

[Theseventhson]

Because it is clearly not just a punk site. I've been frequenting this site for a good four years, just recently getting into the forums. I stated that grunge ruined a specific sector of music. Not music as a whole. Blink 182 is probably my favorite bands of all time. They are clearly sub par musicians with the exception of Travis. I am not segmented to one form of music. I just feel a certain way about grunge music. Do I consider Blink rock 'n' roll? Nope. Nor do I consider Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green River or Mudhoney rock 'n' roll. I like hundreds of artists from the 90's and 00's. Most just aren't rock 'n' roll. You dig?
.
So, you haven't any point, really.

[Jali]

Because it is clearly not just a punk site. I've been frequenting this site for a good four years, just recently getting into the forums. I stated that grunge ruined a specific sector of music. Not music as a whole. Blink 182 is probably my favorite bands of all time. They are clearly sub par musicians with the exception of Travis. I am not segmented to one form of music. I just feel a certain way about grunge music. Do I consider Blink rock 'n' roll? Nope. Nor do I consider Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green River or Mudhoney rock 'n' roll. I like hundreds of artists from the 90's and 00's. Most just aren't rock 'n' roll. You dig?
.

But you accept that punk was a back-to-basics movement based on simple music which started in the 1970's... grunge was just punk re-packaged under a different name in terms of the concept. And, in the long run, punk was far more successful- so how could grunge have "killed rock n' roll" without punk getting in there first.

Also, are you fucking retarded. Not every band out there today was influenced by punk or grunge, look at yngwie malmsteen, black label society or countless other modern day bands that are made up of musicians that you probably wouldn't consider "sub-par" (which, i might add, is UTTERLY SUBJECTIVE) given that rock n roll was founded by bands who played far simpler music than these modern rock musicians. What are you basing this on? What you hear on the radio? Because if you were going for that route you would have been better off saying that Hip-hop killed rock n roll.

[scapegoats]

mm explain bro

[kearn1tm]

Because it is clearly not just a punk site. I've been frequenting this site for a good four years, just recently getting into the forums. I stated that grunge ruined a specific sector of music. Not music as a whole. Blink 182 is probably my favorite bands of all time. They are clearly sub par musicians with the exception of Travis. I am not segmented to one form of music. I just feel a certain way about grunge music. Do I consider Blink rock 'n' roll? Nope. Nor do I consider Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green River or Mudhoney rock 'n' roll. I like hundreds of artists from the 90's and 00's. Most just aren't rock 'n' roll. You dig?
.

Let's take away all the subjective junk and the fact that you expect genres to be something you want them to be as opposed to what they've always been.

The Melvins > whatever you listen to

It's a fact. I read it in an encyclopedia.

[SHZA]

But you accept that punk was a back-to-basics movement based on simple music which started in the 1970's... grunge was just punk re-packaged under a different name in terms of the concept. And, in the long run, punk was far more successful- so how could grunge have "killed rock n' roll" without punk getting in there first.

Also, are you fucking retarded. Not every band out there today was influenced by punk or grunge, look at yngwie malmsteen, black label society or countless other modern day bands that are made up of musicians that you probably wouldn't consider "sub-par" (which, i might add, is UTTERLY SUBJECTIVE) given that rock n roll was founded by bands who played far simpler music than these modern rock musicians. What are you basing this on? What you hear on the radio? Because if you were going for that route you would have been better off saying that Hip-hop killed rock n roll.

Ugh. Jesus. I am so tired of repeating myself. I have said multiple times that this applies to most bands today, not all. And of course it is subjective. I don't expect everyone to think the way I do. I just wanted some discussion. Which I received.

You guys can keep at it. I've said my piece. Everything I need to say is in the previous 10+ pages.

[BadRomance]

Nirvana and Hole are grunge yet are incredible IMO.


I dont care for that cheesy AOR rock, grunge saved rock, to me at least.

[briewer]

Ugh. Jesus. I am so tired of repeating myself. I have said multiple times that this applies to most bands today, not all. And of course it is subjective. I don't expect everyone to think the way I do. I just wanted some discussion. Which I received.

You guys can keep at it. I've said my piece. Everything I need to say is in the previous 10+ pages.
Haha what? Your piece has been destroyed by everyone that came in here. You haven't said anything.

[ktanner5150]

what do you mean by grunge? you mean like nickelback? :)

hahahahaha

[cshadows2887]

Haha what? Your piece has been destroyed by everyone that came in here. You haven't said anything.

You are the Waldorf and Statler of this thread. And I for one enjoy it.

[SteveLikesMusic]

If anything 'ruined' rock and roll, it was the media, the major record labels, the radio stations,MTV. What they chose to play and how it shaped the (horrible) taste of the general public.

[SHZA]

Haha what? Your piece has been destroyed by everyone that came in here. You haven't said anything.

Destroyed by people with obviously different musical taste. Of course you would think so. I have an opinion, and you have a different one. The only difference is that you are an asshole about it.

[SHZA]

You are the Waldorf and Statler of this thread. And I for one enjoy it.

You are on this site WAY too much.

[cshadows2887]

You are on this site WAY too much.

Aw. So sweet of you to notice.

[briewer]

Destroyed by people with obviously different musical taste. Of course you would think so. I have an opinion, and you have a different one. The only difference is that you are an asshole about it.
Where did opinion come into any of this? You complained that grunge killed rock and roll, and people pointed out that A) rock and roll has been dead since the 50's, B) punk was an even stronger and more widely supported movement towards this lack of emphasis on musicianship and came long before grunge did, and C) grunge has plenty of the qualities that you complained that it killed. All of that is fact. There's no difference in musical taste, there's a difference in a rational viewing of the world, and you're clearly on the wrong side of it.

[Full Effect Ed]

This thread brings da funny

[BadRomance]

Well, what exactly did grunge destroy? pre-grunge rock was for the most part cheesy and forgettable.

Nirvana and Hole are regarded as pioneers.

[Cuddleworthy]

oh my grapes

[summer skin]

Oh, haven't you heard?
http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/lil-wayne-rebirth.jpg
Rock n' Roll is back.

[BadRomance]

O/T but Lil Wayne is damn fine. <3.

[wuduprod]

While the lyrical content is admittedly dumbed down, there is no denying the musicianship today is not on par with what it was in the late 80's(for the most part). The image and stage theatrics were for performance sake. They made concerts a production, got the crowd involved and they came away from it with an experience, rather than a concert These rock stars didn't go walking around the mall in 8 inch platforms with makeup all over their face. I don't doubt that they influenced bands today. I am saying that that is the problem.

i agree with that much of this whole thread.

edit: ... at least from a guitar standpoint.

[amazingest]

if you think that Dave Grohl is ANYWHERE NEAR the best drummers of all time, i feel bad for you. listen to more music.

i do listen to music quite often actually. not anywhere near? seriously? have you seen him live? even a video? haha come on man.

[amazingest]

Dave Grohl is a great songwriter and a capable guitarist. He is NOT one of the best drummers of all time.

i cant think of many drummers who compare or come even close.

[bard]

i do listen to music quite often actually. not anywhere near? seriously? have you seen him live? even a video? haha come on man.
he is one of the better drummers that is widely known, but that doesn't mean anything. the majority of music played on tv/radio/etc... is the worst crap out there. there is no way that dave grohl even scratches the surface of what would be considered the best drummer of all time or whatever.

[amazingest]

he is one of the better drummers that is widely known, but that doesn't mean anything. the majority of music played on tv/radio/etc... is the worst crap out there. there is no way that dave grohl even scratches the surface of what would be considered the best drummer of all time or whatever.

totally false. known and unknown he is one of the best. i think it adds a little validity to my opinion if john paul jones, half of the best rythm section of all time, considers him the best.

i haven't heard any one give examples of better drummers.

[bard]

totally false. known and unknown he is one of the best. i think it adds a little validity to my opinion if john paul jones, half of the best rythm section of all time, considers him the best.

i haven't heard any one give examples of better drummers.
them crooked vultures was one of the most disappointing albums from last year. it was a mess.

[amazingest]

them crooked vultures was one of the most disappointing albums from last year. it was a mess.

wow. ok well obviously we are hearing different things here.

[songintheair]

first of all to generalize a form of music is stupid. would you say soundgarden, pearl jam, alice in chains, etc. dumbed down music? of course not, those were/are incredible musicians. second, if anything nirvana saved rock music. you have to remember they came at a time when bon jovi, whitesnake, etc were ruling the charts. nirvana is certainly more rock and roll than them. if you want to say they werent good musicians, you're wrong but what they were following was a tradition set my punk bands in the late 70's. if you really wanted to make your argument you'd point to the sex pistols, stooges, ramones.

[songintheair]

also did you say you dont consider pearl jam rock n roll? if you actually believe that then you have lost any credibility to speak on anything regarding rock n roll

[cshadows2887]

i haven't heard any one give examples of better drummers.

I hate this game, but:

Neal Peart
The drummer from The Receiving End of Sirens, whose name escape me

And if we include the dead:
John Bonham
Keith Moon
Buddy Rich

[amazingest]

I hate this game, but:

Neal Peart
The drummer from The Receiving End of Sirens, whose name escape me

And if we include the dead:
John Bonham
Keith Moon
Buddy Rich

Bonzo yes. thats about it.

[bard]

wow. ok well obviously we are hearing different things here.
okay, here's the deal. i can list of a string of better drummers than dave grohl, but that wouldn't matter to you because you're in love with him for some reason. he's been going downhill every since 'the colour and the shape' came out, but that's just my opinion. but if you're going to spew out that he is or is one of the best drummers of all time, you just need to stop. you have no idea what you're talking about, and the fact that you think them crooked vultures is good pretty much proves it.

[xJesusFreakx]

Where did opinion come into any of this? You complained that grunge killed rock and roll, and people pointed out that A) rock and roll has been dead since the 50's, B) punk was an even stronger and more widely supported movement towards this lack of emphasis on musicianship and came long before grunge did, and C) grunge has plenty of the qualities that you complained that it killed. All of that is fact. There's no difference in musical taste, there's a difference in a rational viewing of the world, and you're clearly on the wrong side of it.

BOOM! Roasted.

[cshadows2887]

Bonzo yes. thats about it.

You just said Dave Grohl is better than Buddy Rich and Keith Moon. I can't even continue talking to you.

[amazingest]

You just said Dave Grohl is better than Buddy Rich and Keith Moon. I can't even continue talking to you.

buddy rich is a jazz drummer. we are talking about rock here. keith moon is way over rated.

[amazingest]

okay, here's the deal. i can list of a string of better drummers than dave grohl, but that wouldn't matter to you because you're in love with him for some reason. he's been going downhill every since 'the colour and the shape' came out, but that's just my opinion. but if you're going to spew out that he is or is one of the best drummers of all time, you just need to stop. you have no idea what you're talking about, and the fact that you think them crooked vultures is good pretty much proves it.


im in love with him because he is the best rock drummer out there. i kinda know what im talking about. i would almost consider my opinion "expert". whats dont you get about tcv?

[Theseventhson]

im in love with him because he is the best rock drummer out there. i kinda know what im talking about. i would almost consider my opinion "expert". whats dont you get about tcv?
I really don't see this at all.

[bard]

im in love with him because he is the best rock drummer out there. i kinda know what im talking about. i would almost consider my opinion "expert". whats dont you get about tcv?
when you say rock drummers, are you excluding it to mediocre radio rock?

[amazingest]

when you say rock drummers, are you excluding it to mediocre radio rock?

yes

[theguy77]

You just said Dave Grohl is better than Buddy Rich and Keith Moon. I can't even continue talking to you.

ahhahaha somebody said that? has he even HEARD buddy rich?

[Spewk]

Why is this even a thread?

[theguy77]

im in love with him because he is the best rock drummer out there. i kinda know what im talking about. i would almost consider my opinion "expert". whats dont you get about tcv?

if anyone is confused by the meaning of the word "pretentious", refer to this poster

[bard]

yes
okay, maybe he's the best mediocre radio rock drummer OF ALL TIME!!!!!, but that's not that difficult.
if anyone is confused by the meaning of the word "pretentious", refer to this poster
lol, i wouldn't say pretentious. i mean, he almost considers himself an expert. not that you could tell my hearing his music........

[Theseventhson]

if anyone is confused by the meaning of the word "pretentious", refer to this poster
Ryan, he's what you would call an "expert". I'm not sure how he qualifies for that position, but he is self-proclaimed, so it must be true.

[amazingest]

if anyone is confused by the meaning of the word "pretentious", refer to this poster

pretentious? how so?

[bard]

pretentious? how so?
you said " i kinda know what im talking about. i would almost consider my opinion "expert"."

pretty pretentious. do you know the definition of pretentious?

[amazingest]

you said " i kinda know what im talking about. i would almost consider my opinion "expert"."

pretty pretentious. do you know the definition of pretentious?

2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance.
3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.

im not exaggerating or assuming anything.

[Theseventhson]

2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance.
3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.

im not exaggerating or assuming anything.
expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature.

What qualifies you as an expert?

[amazingest]

age and experience.

[Theseventhson]

Ah, so you're pretentious, I get it.

[amazingest]

Ah, so you're pretentious, I get it.

exactly

[cshadows2887]

keith moon is way over rated.

:jawdrop:

Oh man. You're funny.

ahhahaha somebody said that? has he even HEARD buddy rich?

At this pint, I've been around long enough that stuff like this shouldn't shock me. But it still does.

[jasn88cubs]

Anyone who likes Grunge=fail

[ohheroine]

silverchair did good things for music...

[aradiantsunrise]

Stupid thread is stupid.