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Rohan Kohli
07/21/06, 05:28 PM
A message from Gabe Saporta regarding Cobra Starship (http://www.myspace.com/cobrastarship) signing to Decaydance / Fueled By Ramen can be found below. Also included below are the dates for the upcoming Cobra Starship / Gym Class Heroes (http://www.gymclassheroes.com) / Cage (http://www.myspace.com/cagekennylz) tour:
1, 2, 3, 4, who's punk what's the score.

I'm so punk rock that I walked away from a half-million dollar deal at a major label to sign for no money to Decaydance/Fueled By Ramen. And when I say a half-million dollars, I don't mean, a half-mil all-in including video budget, tour support, promotion, etc. I mean a half-mil besides all that--a half-million in cash. And when I say no money, I mean, pay for the recording and that's it. Nada. Can you imagine turning your back on all that money? I didn't even look at the FBR contract, I just signed on the dotted line and drew a peace sign. It was one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make, but like the Wolf says: in this business, success only come with control. This year Decaydance is takin' over.
Sep 14 2006 8:00P The Icon Buffalo, NY
Sep 15 2006 8:00P Webster Theatre Hartford, CT
Sep 17 2006 8:00P Harper's Ferry (18+) Allston, MA
Sep 18 2006 8:00P First Unitarian Church Philadelphia, PA
Sep 19 2006 8:00P The Knitting Factory New York, NY
Sep 20 2006 8:00P Sonar Baltimore, MD
Sep 21 2006 8:00P Grog Shop Cleveland Heights, OH
Sep 22 2006 8:00P Magic Stick Detroit, MI
Sep 24 2006 8:00P Creepy Crawl St. Louis , MO
Sep 25 2006 8:00P Picador Iowa City, IA
Sep 27 2006 8:00P Triple Rock Minneapolis, MN
Sep 28 2006 8:00P The Grand Emporium (21+) Kansas City, MO
Sep 29 2006 8:00P Marquis Theatre Denver, CO
Sep 30 2006 7:00P Club Room Ogden, UT
Oct 2 2006 8:00P The Boardwalk Orangevale, CA
Oct 3 2006 8:00P The Knitting Factory Hollywood, CA
Oct 5 2006 8:00P The Clubhouse Tempe, AZ
Oct 6 2006 8:00P Epicentre San Diego, CA
Oct 7 2006 8:00P Chain Reaction Anaheim, CA

mat1419
07/21/06, 05:30 PM
that's a pretty loaded message...

sssssssee ya on the 20th

Jason Tate
07/21/06, 05:31 PM
Gabe's such a sell out - totally in it for the money.

And he rapes puppies.


http://www.midtownrock.com/images/journal/gabe/puppy.jpg

quitmyscene
07/21/06, 05:32 PM
18+. gr.

Chris Immunity
07/21/06, 05:32 PM
im glad he feels like he has to tell us this.

i think that man is a douchebag in every sense of the word.

underthetalking
07/21/06, 05:33 PM
I'll be there the 15th.

But holy shit. How do you turn down that much money?

PlaCracktheSky
07/21/06, 05:34 PM
gabe is the shit.

mat1419
07/21/06, 05:35 PM
I'll be there the 15th.

But holy shit. How do you turn down that much money?
half a mil today and no career tomorrow vs no money today and a career...he's banking on his future

thenewhollywood
07/21/06, 05:35 PM
decaydance is taking over? what a fucking moron. CS is beyond a shitty idea.

thisisrightnow
07/21/06, 05:35 PM
Yes, I finally get to see Gym Class after over a year. :D I'm stoked.

Flags of Dawn
07/21/06, 05:36 PM
im glad he feels like he has to tell us this.

i think that man is a douchebag in every sense of the word.
yep, you were definitely "keeping it posi" on that one.

Jason Tate
07/21/06, 05:36 PM
im glad he feels like he has to tell us this.

i think that man is a douchebag in every sense of the word.
You've met him, right? Psh. Gabe's one of the nicest, funniest, smartest, and coolest people I've met in this industry. If we can call people douchebags without ever having to have met them - then you're the biggest one I know.

mat1419
07/21/06, 05:37 PM
You've met him, right? Psh. Gabe's one of the nicest, funniest, smartest, and coolest people I've met in this industry. If we can call people douchebags without ever having to have met them - then you're the biggest one I know.
he's one of the easiest to meet too...always around at shows

thesiz
07/21/06, 05:38 PM
im glad he feels like he has to tell us this.

i think that man is a douchebag in every sense of the word.

what a fucking nutsack.

he probably signed to deca for the simple fact that he can now say that hes on petes label. that probably means alot more to him than any money. fucking dick rider.

xacex
07/21/06, 05:38 PM
Of course they go to Boston as soon as I go back to school down south.

Chris Immunity
07/21/06, 05:39 PM
You've met him, right? Psh. Gabe's one of the nicest, funniest, smartest, and coolest people I've met in this industry. If we can call people douchebags without ever having to have met them - then you're the biggest one I know.

nah tate. i've met the dude on a couple of occasions, not just run ins before a show either.

maybe he had a string of bad dates, but he seems like a jerkoff.
guess i'm the only one.
whatevvv

*crying stars*
07/21/06, 05:41 PM
people don't want to admit it, but fueled by ramen/decaydence is becoming more and more popular every day.

Gabe's such a sell out - totally in it for the money.

And he rapes puppies.


http://www.midtownrock.com/images/journal/gabe/puppy.jpg

haha, the look on his face is almost enough to convince me that your statement is true. :-D

mybreakingpoint
07/21/06, 05:42 PM
i love Gabe but i just don't know..

Katie Schmitz
07/21/06, 05:43 PM
I'd love to go to this show. GCH was amazing live when I saw them last year. But, and because I have no idea, what other songs would CS do?

mat1419
07/21/06, 05:44 PM
I'd love to go to this show. GCH was amazing live when I saw them last year. But, and because I have no idea, what other songs would CS do?
they're working on their album, so it'll be all new stuff. cage and gch are hip hop so this is going to be a cool show....that i have no place at.

alreadyheardit
07/21/06, 05:45 PM
im glad he feels like he has to tell us this.

i think that man is a douchebag in every sense of the word.

yeah. gabe's the douchebag. :rolleyes:

Katie Schmitz
07/21/06, 05:45 PM
they're working on their album, so it'll be all new stuff. cage and gch are hip hop so this is going to be a cool show....that i have no place at.
I'm going, so should you!

xPaulWallx
07/21/06, 05:45 PM
wow, thats like donating money to a good cause anomynously and then telling everyone you did it. i mean why does he feel the need to brag about how not greedy and punk and not a sellout he is and pat himself on his own back. i wonder if he jacks off in the mirror???

Katie Schmitz
07/21/06, 05:46 PM
wow, thats like donating money to a good cause anomynously and then telling everyone you did it. i mean why does he feel the need to brag about how not greedy and punk and not a sellout he is and pat himself on his own back. i wonder if he jacks off in the mirror???
Why the hell are people so god damn shitty about everything that's posted as news? Please, if you've got nothing nice to say, then don't say it!

James Johnson
07/21/06, 05:47 PM
Gabe's such a sell out - totally in it for the money.

And he rapes puppies.


http://www.midtownrock.com/images/journal/gabe/puppy.jpg

Post of the day hahahahaha I know the rest of the weekend will be good due to this post lol. Well done poodick!

mat1419
07/21/06, 05:47 PM
I'm going, so should you!
oh, i'm definately going to the baltimore show...i have to see if i can make it in philly too

Joe DeAndrea
07/21/06, 05:49 PM
Haha I'm mos def going on the 15th.

kidinthecorner
07/21/06, 05:49 PM
Wooo kickin' it off at the B-Lo. Too bad I'll be across the pond.

mogley
07/21/06, 05:51 PM
il probably goto the baltimore date

ilovebsb
07/21/06, 05:51 PM
i'm really looking forward to seeing GCH! its guna be such a small show but so awsome!

falloutdrea19
07/21/06, 05:52 PM
this is way cool. i'll be there on 9/29. :D

kittypants
07/21/06, 05:54 PM
i thought him and all the Midtown kids were from wealthy NY families anyways...

ParanoiAttack
07/21/06, 05:56 PM
GCH should bring gabe along to the UK dates, that would own.

Aceestrin
07/21/06, 05:57 PM
i met gabe a year ago, really nice guy.

TomCantSlowDown
07/21/06, 06:02 PM
wow. now i really wish i hadn't fucked up so bad when i tried out for this band.

1000shadesofred
07/21/06, 06:04 PM
how does cobra starship get signed to such a great label... dont get it

sweethypocrisy
07/21/06, 06:04 PM
Why the hell are people so god damn shitty about everything that's posted as news? Please, if you've got nothing nice to say, then don't say it!
because this is a message board, and the purpose of a message board is to voice your opinion.

Katie Schmitz
07/21/06, 06:07 PM
because this is a message board, and the purpose of a message board is to voice your opinion.
Yeah by calling people douchebags, etc. That's really awesome that just because it's a message board it means people can be dicks.

buttonsforeyes
07/21/06, 06:07 PM
You've met him, right? Psh. Gabe's one of the nicest, funniest, smartest, and coolest people I've met in this industry. If we can call people douchebags without ever having to have met them - then you're the biggest one I know.

i kind of back that kid, and yes i have met him on several occasion, i used to do merch for finch back when they first signed to drive thru and he wasnt so friendly at a few of the shows they played together. i love midtown and cobra starship, and maybe hes a differant person than he was 4-5 years ago but he definatly was sort of a douchbag

Melie
07/21/06, 06:09 PM
that's a lot of money to turn down. daaaang. boo for this tour skipping norfolk though.

pasthefence49
07/21/06, 06:12 PM
fucking pete wentz man who didnt see htis coming with his apperence in the video.

Manbotisdead
07/21/06, 06:16 PM
I don't know anything about this guy, but I do know that walking away from half a million dollars takes some serious restraint.

kevinhagan
07/21/06, 06:27 PM
i really dont think he should be bragging about this as being punk rock. keep it to yourself.
anyways....

how long ago did this cobra stuff pop up? i went on vaca for two weeks and i feel like i missed so much. gotta love being addicted to AP.

clevername
07/21/06, 06:32 PM
I'm kind of excited to see it live, but I always thought that Gabe wasn't making this full time and that it had to happen "organically". But whatever, I'll take what I can get.

Chris Fallon
07/21/06, 06:38 PM
You've met him, right? Psh. Gabe's one of the nicest, funniest, smartest, and coolest people I've met in this industry. If we can call people douchebags without ever having to have met them - then you're the biggest one I know.

My God...pwnd beyond recognition.

I met Gabe a few years back at a show very briefly, but he could not have been nicer to me. Honestly, it was very brief (just enough time to eek out a obligatory "you guys fuckin' rock, man") and he was very thankful and seemed interested in wanting to talk to me before he was interrupted by some tech/manager.

Seriously, sometimes...Jason Tate makes my day with comments like that.

goughjustin
07/21/06, 06:38 PM
Why the hell are people so god damn shitty about everything that's posted as news? Please, if you've got nothing nice to say, then don't say it!

wait... so if you have an opinion that differs from yours... dont say anything at all... haha sounds good!
i wanna say 80% of the postings on this site are negitive, so without negitive posts, you will have 80% visitors, 80% less advertising dollars, and you will be 80% less of a pseudo internet celebrity

Poultrylicious
07/21/06, 06:43 PM
I'm expecting every single FBR/Decaydance band to make a cameo in every song and i won't take no for anwser.

myworstmistakes
07/21/06, 06:54 PM
i'm not really into cobra starship. but i've met gabe several times and for well over a few minutes each time. he is sweet, smart, funny and actually seems to give a shit when ppl talk to him.
he's just the type of person who has a unique personality that when he says certain things if you don't understand that you might think he's a douchebag.
i guess this is one of those things.

thesiz
07/21/06, 06:55 PM
Seriously, sometimes...Jason Tate makes my day with comments like that.

you must live an awful life.

overoverme
07/21/06, 06:56 PM
Gabe is friends with Pete Wentz.
Pete Wentz has a record label.
Gabe is signed to Pete's record label.
The end.

The demos of the other CS songs are good. Next week apparently more finished versions of them will be put on the internet according to the FBR newsletter.

alexwohl29_90
07/21/06, 07:00 PM
haha. I love the guy...but I'm actually a Midtown fan...fuckers.

tbalz
07/21/06, 07:03 PM
nice, the kc show (the only 21+) a week before i turn...lame

Jason Tate
07/21/06, 07:04 PM
i'm not really into cobra starship. but i've met gabe several times and for well over a few minutes each time. he is sweet, smart, funny and actually seems to give a shit when ppl talk to him.
he's just the type of person who has a unique personality that when he says certain things if you don't understand that you might think he's a douchebag.
i guess this is one of those things.

Well said.

Jason Tate
07/21/06, 07:05 PM
Post of the day hahahahaha I know the rest of the weekend will be good due to this post lol. Well done poodick!

I'm so glad to see that catching on.

:headwall:

no mames
07/21/06, 07:07 PM
from what i understand and the knowledge/heresy ive come across the past 4 or 5 years...i thought Gabe, Heath and Tyler HATED drive-thru records because of they felt they were not getting paid enough money. drive-thru rebuttled claiming that midtown was a bunch of rich kids and wanted more than they were due. thats all i really know. ive met all 4 members of midtown. rob was the coolest.

Jason Tate
07/21/06, 07:11 PM
from what i understand and the knowledge/heresy ive come across the past 4 or 5 years...i thought Gabe, Heath and Tyler HATED drive-thru records because of they felt they were not getting paid enough money. drive-thru rebuttled claiming that midtown was a bunch of rich kids and wanted more than they were due. thats all i really know. ive met all 4 members of midtown. rob was the coolest.

Man, that telephone game is weird. Haha, not true. They hated eachother, but midtown never said it was about money.

grace we bestow
07/21/06, 07:14 PM
Are these all of the dates?

losethegirl
07/21/06, 07:18 PM
I love that this tour is kicking off in Buffalo. hell yeah for GCH and CS. Good fucking show.

GreenJellyBean
07/21/06, 07:25 PM
woo hoo gym class heroes<3. but uh.. shouldn't they be headlining? or are they?

bigmike
07/21/06, 07:38 PM
im glad he feels like he has to tell us this.

i think that man is a douchebag in every sense of the word.
well I think you're a douchebag but i'm not calling you out on the internet.

Oh, wait, I am. You're a douchebag.

The Revisionist
07/21/06, 07:39 PM
None of my business.

BtoTheRad
07/21/06, 07:41 PM
woo hoo gym class heroes<3. but uh.. shouldn't they be headlining? or are they?

They are

sartre
07/21/06, 07:47 PM
what a boner.

buysoap
07/21/06, 07:51 PM
i dont like the other bands on the tour but i guess i'll go just to see cobra starship considering its all hush hush with the music........ unless by that time theres a leaked album, then maybe i'll sit it out

GreenJellyBean
07/21/06, 07:55 PM
who are all the members of cobra starship?
this whole thing confuses me.

ByelineCole
07/21/06, 07:57 PM
are they touring as a pop group or full band? any ideas?

Chris Fallon
07/21/06, 08:04 PM
you must live an awful life.

Yes, I must. Because seeing the dude who runs this site fucking lay the smack down on dumb little scene kids who think they know all there is to know about every band that must be hated on here in some way is so not funny.

Wait...yes it is, because seeing negative fucks get their due is satisfaction.

ColourandShape
07/21/06, 08:15 PM
I think its kinda lame he had to tell us about the money, but at least his heads in the right place. I sooo would've taken that money. I'm flat broke...fucking college

coatbutton
07/21/06, 08:24 PM
I've never met Gabe, but I like midtown and cs. I'll def. try to go to the 9/24 date
p.s. douchebag is getting very old. Let's call each other fuckwits. It's more fun to type.

Steve Henderson
07/21/06, 08:25 PM
It was a smidge lame to talk about that, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was toungue-in-cheek (or drunk).

As for the music, am I the only one that does not have a stiff for this Cobra Starship bullcrap? Midtown was doing so well - I'd much rather have a new record from them than some comedy/rap/rock CD that will get old in a week.

ColourandShape
07/21/06, 08:52 PM
It was a smidge lame to talk about that, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was toungue-in-cheek (or drunk).

As for the music, am I the only one that does not have a stiff for this Cobra Starship bullcrap? Midtown was doing so well - I'd much rather have a new record from them than some comedy/rap/rock CD that will get old in a week.

agreed....we need new midtown

thesiz
07/21/06, 08:53 PM
Yes, I must. Because seeing the dude who runs this site fucking lay the smack down on dumb little scene kids who think they know all there is to know about every band that must be hated on here in some way is so not funny.

Wait...yes it is, because seeing negative fucks get their due is satisfaction.

yes... the all exciting INTERNET SMACK DOWN!!!

make sure you keep refreshing the threads, you wouldnt want to miss another jasontate smack down...
have a good night brah.

fromwithin
07/21/06, 08:59 PM
that has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. does he think this band will actually have lasting power?

Rufio21
07/21/06, 09:13 PM
It was a smidge lame to talk about that, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was toungue-in-cheek (or drunk).

As for the music, am I the only one that does not have a stiff for this Cobra Starship bullcrap? Midtown was doing so well - I'd much rather have a new record from them than some comedy/rap/rock CD that will get old in a week.

agreed..


Cage is the only good rapper on this tour. Infact the other bands dont deserve to play with him.

untilnextwinter
07/21/06, 09:26 PM
Are those all of the dates?! Travis mentioned that he'd "see us in September" at the San Francisco warped. Wtfffff man.

Ruggiero2oo8
07/21/06, 09:27 PM
awesome.

clndstnqueen
07/21/06, 09:40 PM
i dont want to have to drive to minneapolis, what happened to going to chicago or milwaukee, but ill go because i wanna see cobra starship, and i wanna see gym class heroes again, and maybe meet them again

kissbangkill
07/21/06, 09:41 PM
It was a smidge lame to talk about that, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was toungue-in-cheek (or drunk).

As for the music, am I the only one that does not have a stiff for this Cobra Starship bullcrap? Midtown was doing so well - I'd much rather have a new record from them than some comedy/rap/rock CD that will get old in a week.

well said to both points.

alexwohl29_90
07/21/06, 09:52 PM
How have people heard CS songs...what are they like?

thewebguy
07/21/06, 10:03 PM
some people say that cucumbers taste better pickled

HiddenInNJ
07/21/06, 10:05 PM
much love to gabe for everything hes brought to music but i don't understand cobra starship and with heath in senses fail and rob with I Surrender Records and gabe involved with this project it doesnt seem like midtown has any hope... are they done or am I overthinking this?... i was thinking midtown might sign to FBR because of the recent tours last summer/fall so the CS signing doesnt surprise me w/ members already signed to FBR

The Revisionist
07/21/06, 10:25 PM
Living poor is the best revenge.

theeasykill
07/22/06, 02:27 AM
yay for absolute cobra starship

dlongo
07/22/06, 03:12 AM
I didn't even look at the FBR contract, I just signed on the dotted line and drew a peace sign. It was one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make

... real tough decision.. he didnt even read the contract... and what's the point of this...bit of an ego booster? just my 2 cents.. and seems to be the views of lots of others.

ishotthepilot
07/22/06, 04:10 AM
what's wrong with him telling us?
Lifetime said they were signing for the control, which trumps the money.
Gabe just said the same thing.
jesus.

i dont like the other bands on the tour but i guess i'll go just to see cobra starship considering its all hush hush with the music........ unless by that time theres a leaked album, then maybe i'll sit it out
they're not really being hush hush... think about a band you know that *only* has an LP, first album, no EP.
did you hear any of it before it came out? probably not, unless you know them.
Cobra has a bunch of demos written already but thats pretty much it.

who are all the members of cobra starship?
this whole thing confuses me.

Gabe Saporta.

DOES NO ONE REMEMBER HOLLABACK BOY???

Anton Djamoos
07/22/06, 06:47 AM
How have people heard CS songs...what are they like?
They're actually pretty good.

permanent
07/22/06, 06:56 AM
what's wrong with him telling us?
Lifetime said they were signing for the control, which trumps the money.
Gabe just said the same thing.
jesus.


You do realize you are now comparing Lifetime to Cobra Starship? A band who has influenced an entire generation of music vs. one man who has made a note for himself parodying a Gwen Stefani song and singing about Snakes on a Plane. That's like putting Radiohead on the same level as Weird Al.

BettyDavisDance
07/22/06, 07:11 AM
Gabe is an awesome guy. He is so down to earth. I have hung out with him a few times. I hope he made the right decision. I think he might have been better off on a major, but I don't know all the details.

meliisssaaaa
07/22/06, 08:11 AM
You've met him, right? Psh. Gabe's one of the nicest, funniest, smartest, and coolest people I've met in this industry. If we can call people douchebags without ever having to have met them - then you're the biggest one I know.

hell yeah

backpocket
07/22/06, 08:14 AM
"Saves The World, Lose the Girl" is the best work he's ever been a part of (that I have heard). The newer midtown was pretty bad since then.

Cobra Starship, at least the snakes on a plane song, it's really really wel done pop. If I was a record label I would love to have them on there with songs like that.

Anton Djamoos
07/22/06, 08:16 AM
You do realize you are now comparing Lifetime to Cobra Starship? A band who has influenced an entire generation of music vs. one man who has made a note for himself parodying a Gwen Stefani song and singing about Snakes on a Plane. That's like putting Radiohead on the same level as Weird Al.
And with those two songs, he's already achieved a level of success that Lifetime never had.

myaimistruex3
07/22/06, 08:42 AM
Why the hell are people so god damn shitty about everything that's posted as news? Please, if you've got nothing nice to say, then don't say it!

no one will ever avoid a post just cause it isn't nice. people have their opinions too, they're not always kind.

i like this band, and gabe might be a nice person..but it did sound like showing off a little bit. maybe he was just trying to show decaydance/fbr how much he loves their label or something.

permanent
07/22/06, 09:02 AM
And with those two songs, he's already achieved a level of success that Lifetime never had.

Because obviously if you are successful that must mean you are talented.

saving jonathan
07/22/06, 10:39 AM
i respect him for making that decision, but i don't think he needs to tell us all that. it's like he is looking for approval from people just because he turned down a bunch of money to be in pete wentz's possey. be humble and keep it to yourself, that's all that matters.

March_Faster!!
07/22/06, 11:02 AM
Gabe is the fuckin' man! I'm glad he chose creative control over a paycheck and being eventually dropped because that's how majors seem to roll.

HotTubsMolest
07/22/06, 12:14 PM
Cobra Starship CD? $9.99
A career? $500000
Sucking Pete Wentz' balls? Priceless

That's his motivation

savesthedave28
07/22/06, 12:31 PM
Jawbreaker.

buttonsforeyes
07/22/06, 01:54 PM
Jawbreaker.
well played my friend

Anton Djamoos
07/22/06, 03:25 PM
Because obviously if you are successful that must mean you are talented.
Because obviously musical talent is subjective.

Colin Farrell
07/22/06, 04:10 PM
is cs just gabe?

mikedoerr
07/22/06, 06:21 PM
haha gabe is a walking publiciy stunt, except this time it may actually work

pinkstripedsox
07/22/06, 09:54 PM
Cobra Starship CD? $9.99
A career? $500000
Sucking Pete Wentz' balls? Priceless

That's his motivation
Exactly.
Hey there old friends right?
So whats a record contract, instant fame,
giving head between friends, right?
As for The Academy Is...
William Beckett just fucks with Gabe for the thrill of
not being smacked around by Pete.
As he, Brendon Urie, and Gabe are his new hoes.
And Pete is a pimp, making big money off of him

ramstar
07/23/06, 10:07 AM
is cs just gabe?

yay.

and gabe is pretty much, the shit.

CorporateFish
07/23/06, 07:56 PM
interesting

Gleebo
07/24/06, 01:47 AM
haha gabe is a walking publiciy stunt, except this time it may actually work

Its about time he gets some exposure that he and Midtown have deserved for so long. Two record labels couldn't get them noticed outside the scene but a novelty cover song and eyes of venom will. What does this say about the industry and society in general?......


Gabe + Snakes + Gwen Stefani mocking - taking himself too seriously = a world wide phenomenon

I just hope that CS isn't super successful because the world needs more Midtown at some point.

Just like the world needs more Marvelous 3. Butch Walker on his own is great and all, but it just doesn't fill my "too much rock for one hand" requirements quite as much as M3.

STFUcatherine
10/02/06, 01:37 AM
what a fucking nutsack.

he probably signed to deca for the simple fact that he can now say that hes on petes label. that probably means alot more to him than any money. fucking dick rider.

I was kinda thinking that myself..
He originally posted this on FOE.com journal but I guess he just felt the need that it needed more attention