Music Forum Self-Help Thread

[El_Jeffe]

This is a thread where all you guys can post any ideas, suggestions, comments, complaints, improvements, etc, in regards to the music forum. I'm not promising any overnight miracles or radical shakedowns, but I'm sure we would all like to make this place a little more engaging for all current & potential users. What's working for us? What isn't? What would you like to see more or less of?

Also, if you're a new member & have ANY questions in regards to this forum, feel free to ask in here. & regulars, feel free to help them out in here.

This is a chance for you guys to help me help all of us. Those of you who know me already will know I'm open to pretty much anything, so don't be shy & feel free to share your thoughts in here, or private message me, anytime. Cheers guys!

[Brokenhill]

Edit: Didn't see the sticky

I'm not as active as I used to be, so I can't quite think of anything specific at the moment.

[El_Jeffe]

Just yesterday mate haha. I'm still getting used to it & the new range of things I can do (like just now merging a few new Paramore threads into the official Paramore thread). But I hope to make this place a lot better for all us, that's why I want all of our ideas.

[love_american_style]

MOAR ICP THREADZZ!!!




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[SophGod]

too many list threads with no actual discussion taking place.

[Jumpoff]

too many list threads with no actual discussion taking place.

Too many list threads is kind of annoying but it's not something that can really be fixed I don't think. It seems to be more of a necessary evil of music forums...

[El_Jeffe]

I know some of you will have suggestions. No need to be shy! Small changes here & there can make a big difference around this forum.

[kearn1tm]

Whenever I'm not around, people should make threads asking "where's Todd?"
I think we should focus on #1
Slayer should not be mentioned for ironic effect and those who do should be banned.
Whenever I'm not around, people should make threads asking "where's Todd?"

[theguy77]

Whenever I'm not around, people should make threads asking "where's Todd?"
I think we should focus on #1
Slayer should not be mentioned for ironic effect and those who do should be banned.
Whenever I'm not around, people should make threads asking "where's Todd?"

you forgot 5. those who do not appreciate wrestling shall be banned immediately.

[kearn1tm]

you forgot 5. those who do not appreciate wrestling shall be banned immediately.

If people don't think this is awesome then they shouldn't be on these boards.

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[Brokenhill]

Can we keep this thread on topic? Seriously. Also, it should be sticky'd.

Just start off with a mass mergence of multi-threads. Like for The Smashing Pumpkins.

[IntoTheSun]

Really appreciate this thread, dude. I think it's great that someone is finally attempting to take charge around here. I agree with the above person, all the multi-threads for similar topics should be combined. Besides that, I can't really think of any problems, except for the fact that little real discussion has been going on lately, but that's not always something that can be helped.

[Burn That Shit]

ban all of tachyonpython's fake accounts, he sucks.

[El_Jeffe]

Like many of us, I enjoy the community feel this place once had. So I'm hoping we can all regain that by working together, & if I can aid in that process for all of us with these new moderator capabilities, then I think we would all be for it.

I know people posting tiny news snippets that could easily be posted in said bands official thread does annoy a lot of members, so I have been merging those posts into official threads when I see them crop up, & will continue to do so. Good call guys.

The discussion thing troubles me also, I've been around a lot more lately, but largely refrained from posting as I didn't have anything to add to the few current topics that were at hand. But all forums can be a little slow at times, so hopefully it'll pick up soon enough. But if you guys have any exciting ideas to speed that process up, I'm all ears.

[troubledbyinsects]

Make weekly threads meant to generate discussion, if it's possible/people care.

[IntoTheSun]

The discussion thing troubles me also, I've been around a lot more lately, but largely refrained from posting as I didn't have anything to add to the few current topics that were at hand. But all forums can be a little slow at times, so hopefully it'll pick up soon enough. But if you guys have any exciting ideas to speed that process up, I'm all ears.

It's a new year, and a lot of new releases and band news/activities are coming out. I think it'd be great if more of us made threads to keep track of 2010 albums and introduce new band theads. If anything, it will help us focus on music in the year ahead. It's similar to what Lueda is doing in the general threads, I guess, except no poster here in the music forum is making a huge effort to do so.

[El_Jeffe]

Make weekly threads meant to generate discussion, if it's possible/people care.

Another good idea, & one I have already been thinking over well before this green name came upon me yesterday. We'll see what comes of this. But if any user here has any relevant topics/themes/perspectives they would like to discuss on the forum, you can always feel free to do so on your own accord.

It's a new year, and a lot of new releases and band news/activities are coming out. I think it'd be great if more of us made threads to keep track of 2010 albums and introduce new band theads. If anything, it will help us focus on music in the year ahead. It's similar to what Lueda is doing in the general threads, I guess, except no poster here in the music forum is making a huge effort to do so.

That usually occurs during the year once a stream of releases gets going. But if there's any albums/artists you, or anyone, would like to discuss, go for it mate. I know once a few albums I'm looking forward get closer to being released I'll be pushing out a lot of (largely ignored) threads & recc's etc haha.

[IntoTheSun]

That usually occurs during the year once a stream of releases gets going. But if there's any albums/artists you, or anyone, would like to discuss, go for it mate. I know once a few albums I'm looking forward get closer to being released I'll be pushing out a lot of (largely ignored) threads & recc's etc haha.

Sounds good, man. I am not nearly as knowledgable in regards to artists as a lot of people on this site, but I will try my best to bump some threads, etc.

[El_Jeffe]

Sounds good, man. I am not nearly as knowledgable in regards to artists as a lot of people on this site, but I will try my best to bump some threads, etc.

You don't have to be a music academic to discover a new artist you enjoy. I know a lot of posters here have pushed & prodded you in many musical directions haha, & it seems you have found a lot of great new music, which is awesome. But if you ever have the desire, then never be intimidated to step out on your own whenever you like. If you find some new band that you just love & want to share with others, then start your own thread, state your own opinion, & continue enjoying whatever music that washes upon your mind like an etching tide, warming your thoughts with natural affection & delight. There's no rules to art.

[mybreakingpoint]

You look amazing in green, my friend.

[El_Jeffe]

Get a red staff member in here & we'll have half the colours of a rainbow, I like it haha. How is the band going mate? Oh & how's the python?

[underthetalking]

El Jeffe being a mod = fantastic idea. Haven't we've been calling for this for a long time now?

[kearn1tm]

Can we keep this thread on topic? Seriously.


Hey guy. You're annoying!

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Hey guy. You're annoying!

:spam:


As for ideas, I'm interested in the weekly discussion idea.

[cshadows2887]

Weekly discussion sounds cool.

And there's nothing wrong with some list threads, as long as they get combined when they're the same thing. To each their own.

[kearn1tm]

my mom says I'm clever

You too.

[kearn1tm]

One thing I will suggest is a concentration on the amount of negativity that's placed in threads where kids are trying to have discussions. The asshole that goes in the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus thread simply to say "shitty band and you all suck" is a tool. If he/she offers constructive feedback on why he doesn't care for the artist, cool, but to flame kids who enjoy a band is ridiculous and deters them from engaging in other threads. I wish that would be dealt with.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

You too.

Hey, lets keep this thread on topic.

[kearn1tm]

I'm condescending.

You should stop that.

[x togepi x]

Hey guy. You're annoying!

dude should be banned. he's a weak ass troll who adds nothing to anything.

List threads are cool in moderation if they're the only one of their kind. It's annoying though seeing the LOL LIST YOUR GUILTY PLEASURES thread pop up every week. same with: favorite bands, hottest girl in music, least favorite band, nickleback sucks, best band of the (whatever decade), THIS SITE ISN'T A PUNK SITE, etc.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

One thing I will suggest is a concentration on the amount of negativity that's placed in threads where kids are trying to have discussions. The asshole that goes in the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus thread simply to say "shitty band and you all suck" is a tool. If he/she offers constructive feedback on why he doesn't care for the artist, cool, but to flame kids who enjoy a band is ridiculous and deters them from engaging in other threads. I wish that would be dealt with.

Here I am trying to make jokes to you and you go and make a good point. I really agree with this.

[kearn1tm]

dude should be banned. he's a weak ass troll who adds nothing to anything.


I agree. The passive-aggressive homophobia's always fun though.

[Jumpoff]

One thing I will suggest is a concentration on the amount of negativity that's placed in threads where kids are trying to have discussions. The asshole that goes in the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus thread simply to say "shitty band and you all suck" is a tool. If he/she offers constructive feedback on why he doesn't care for the artist, cool, but to flame kids who enjoy a band is ridiculous and deters them from engaging in other threads. I wish that would be dealt with.

I agree with this suggestion.

[cshadows2887]

I think discussion might pick up if people were less dismissive of/hostile to new users. A lot of the people here know what every other regular thinks about every subject known to man from past discussions, so why re-hash it? Though a lot of new users have a tendency to say the same stupid things over and over, some of them are eventually going to turn into quality posters. Every single person on this site was new at some point or another.

Just a suggestion.

[IntoTheSun]

One thing I will suggest is a concentration on the amount of negativity that's placed in threads where kids are trying to have discussions. The asshole that goes in the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus thread simply to say "shitty band and you all suck" is a tool. If he/she offers constructive feedback on why he doesn't care for the artist, cool, but to flame kids who enjoy a band is ridiculous and deters them from engaging in other threads. I wish that would be dealt with.

Probably already been quoted, but I totally agree with this. I see posters around like that, and it sucks because you know they're going for a low blow on the internet. In any case, who's this Todd guy, and where is he?

Edit: Also, how exactly do you suggest that to be "dealt with"?

[Scrandon]

You too.

I knew there was a reason you annoyed me!

[oddwithoutend]

One thing I will suggest is a concentration on the amount of negativity that's placed in threads where kids are trying to have discussions. The asshole that goes in the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus thread simply to say "shitty band and you all suck" is a tool. If he/she offers constructive feedback on why he doesn't care for the artist, cool, but to flame kids who enjoy a band is ridiculous and deters them from engaging in other threads. I wish that would be dealt with.
For me, going into a thread to say "band sucks" without offering anything constructive isn't any worse than simply stating "Cool band". The problem isn't the negativity, it's the lack of constructive feedback (which is hard to really change).

Obviously the personal attacks you're referring to should be dealt with, but that's not usually how it works. Generally, someone comes in to bash the band, and a fan is offended. The personal conflict is usually started by a person who can't deal with someone else not liking their favourite band.

What I'm trying to say is, the problem isn't really with negativity, it's the fact that people need to grow up and realize others may hate your taste.

[xJesusFreakx]

Being friendlier to new users? Cutting down on the hostility? Psh... That's lame. Who would ever behave in such a way on an online forum, especially one called "Absolute PUNK"!? :-d

Nice sticky thread. Good idea to get some dialogue going on ways we can improve the Music Forum.

I'd like to suggest that we have more organized official threads for genres, with links to those threads put into that official threads sticky thread. Mike started a new Post Hardcore thread that was going to outline the basic history of the genre in the OP, including a list of significant classic and modern albums for newcomers to check out. Not sure if that's materialized yet, but I think it's a great idea. We could also create threads or update the threads for Hardcore, Metal, Shoegaze, Hip Hop, Post Rock, Ska, Pop Punk, etc. accordingly. There seems to be some misunderstanding of what some of these genres really are, especially when you get into really convoluted terms like "emo" and "screamo," so this would probably be useful and really benefit the forums as a whole.

[IntoTheSun]

For me, going into a thread to say "band sucks" without offering anything constructive isn't any worse than simply stating "Cool band". The problem isn't the negativity, it's the lack of constructive feedback (which is hard to really change).

Obviously the personal attacks you're referring to should be dealt with, but that's not usually how it works. Generally, someone comes in to bash the band, and a fan is offended. The personal conflict is usually started by a person who can't deal with someone else not liking their favourite band.

I don't think that's what Todd is saying though. I think he's talking about people who go into a thread to deliberately try and put down and demean people who like that band because they feel like they're above them. Saying "I don't like [x] band" doesn't necessarily mean you're trolling (see me in the Taylor Swift thread).


What I'm trying to say is, the problem isn't really with negativity, it's the fact that people need to grow up and realize others may hate your taste.


But why would anyone feel the need to <hate> on anyone else's taste? That doesn't change anything, and it makes them look like an ass.

[cshadows2887]

Being friendlier to new users? Cutting down on the hostility? Psh... That's lame. Who would ever behave in such a way on an online forum, especially one called "Absolute PUNK"!? :-d

Nice sticky thread. Good idea to get some dialogue going on ways we can improve the Music Forum.

I'd like to suggest that we have more organized official threads for genres, with links to those threads put into that official threads sticky thread. Mike started a new Post Hardcore thread that was going to outline the basic history of the genre in the OP, including a list of significant classic and modern albums for newcomers to check out. Not sure if that's materialized yet, but I think it's a great idea. We could also create threads or update the threads for Hardcore, Metal, Shoegaze, Hip Hop, Post Rock, Ska, Pop Punk, etc. accordingly. There seems to be some misunderstanding of what some of these genres really are, especially when you get into really convoluted terms like "emo" and "screamo," so this would probably be useful and really benefit the forums as a whole.

I think that would open up as much debate about what genres consist of and whether they matter as discussion of the genres involved. Which could be a good thing, I guess.

[IntoTheSun]

Being friendlier to new users? Cutting down on the hostility? Psh... That's lame. Who would ever behave in such a way on an online forum, especially one called "Absolute PUNK"!? :-d

Nice sticky thread. Good idea to get some dialogue going on ways we can improve the Music Forum.

I'd like to suggest that we have more organized official threads for genres, with links to those threads put into that official threads sticky thread. Mike started a new Post Hardcore thread that was going to outline the basic history of the genre in the OP, including a list of significant classic and modern albums for newcomers to check out. Not sure if that's materialized yet, but I think it's a great idea. We could also create threads or update the threads for Hardcore, Metal, Shoegaze, Hip Hop, Post Rock, Ska, Pop Punk, etc. accordingly. There seems to be some misunderstanding of what some of these genres really are, especially when you get into really convoluted terms like "emo" and "screamo," so this would probably be useful and really benefit the forums as a whole.

This would be interesting definitely. But it might be hard/confusing to keep track of all these threads at the same time. At the very least though, we probably should provide an official hip hop thread, considering how many new ones have been made within the past month.

[xJesusFreakx]

I think that would open up as much debate about what genres consist of and whether they matter as discussion of the genres involved. Which could be a good thing, I guess.

Genres are somewhat open to interpretation, but not really that much. For the most part, the supposed "fluidity" of genres is more so from a lack of knowledge than anything else. I think educating people in the roots of genres and how to properly use the terms is a better idea than going with the, "It doesn't matter," cop out and throwing genre terms out the window.

[cshadows2887]

Genres are somewhat open to interpretation, but not really that much. For the most part, the supposed "fluidity" of genres is more so from a lack of knowledge than anything else. I think educating people in the roots of genres and how to properly use the terms is a better idea than going with the, "It doesn't matter," cop out and throwing genre terms out the window.

Eh, to each their own. I get frustrated trying to classify things into genres because I'm always hearing where it starts to cross over. They're not irrelevant, just problematic.

[xJesusFreakx]

This would be interesting definitely. But it might be hard/confusing to keep track of all these threads at the same time. At the very least though, we probably should provide an official hip hop thread, considering how many new ones have been made within the past month.

That's why they'd be clearly indicated as "official threads" and be linked to in that sticky thread (that users probably never really read, but oh well). Beyond that, it'd be the job of forum regulars to suggest the threads to new users when appropriate.

[xJesusFreakx]

Eh, to each their own. I get frustrated trying to classify things into genres because I'm always hearing where it starts to cross over. They're not irrelevant, just problematic.

Bands that can't be classified with a single simple genre term can still be accurately described using a few genres as frames of reference. I sometimes get frustrated as well, but that's more so from not fully understanding the terms myself yet than anything else. Establishing the terms better can only make describing (and possibly recommending) bands that much easier.

[cshadows2887]

Bands that can't be classified with a single simple genre term can still be accurately described using a few genres as frames of reference. I sometimes get frustrated as well, but that's more so from not fully understanding the terms myself yet than anything else. Establishing the terms better can only make describing (and possibly recommending) bands that much easier.

True. And either way, even debating what does and doesn't fall into those genres could be an interesting discussion.

[Brokenhill]

El Jeffe being a mod = fantastic idea. Haven't we've been calling for this for a long time now?

Ohh, only 2 years or so.

[xJesusFreakx]

True. And either way, even debating what does and doesn't fall into those genres could be an interesting discussion.

Definitely. It'd probably help educate those involved in the roots of the genre, which is certainly a good thing.

[El_Jeffe]

Some really good ideas are beginning to brew in this thread, good to see, & every one's opinion has been read & considered. A lot of you are starting to help yourselves in regards to the music forum, weekly talks, etc, exactly what I was hoping to achieve with this thread. Help us help ourselves.


Blatant & obvious bullying towards other users will obviously be taken care of, but I do also appreciate the nature of this being an online forum & "members will be members" sometimes haha. Substance-less comments are a pain, but not against the rules, so unless it goes too far, there's not a lot I can do. However actions like banning people from individual threads if they are obviously & annoyingly "trolling" will be on the increase if necessary.

The suggestion of taking care of repeat threads is something I definitely want to work on too.

I started a History of Ska Music thread, which is linked in the official threads thread. If other members are looking to do the same thing for genres they are enthusiastic about, I'll be happy to add their threads to the permanent list.

Keep 'em coming!

[oddwithoutend]

I don't think that's what Todd is saying though. I think he's talking about people who go into a thread to deliberately try and put down and demean people who like that band because they feel like they're above them.
I think it usually works like this:
Hater: [Band] sucks.
Fan: You think you're better than me because I like [band].
Hater: Grow up.
Saying "I don't like [x] band" doesn't necessarily mean you're trolling (see me in the Taylor Swift thread).
Exactly, and I think a lot of people confuse that.

[IntoTheSun]

Some really good ideas are beginning to brew in this thread, good to see, & every one's opinion has been read & considered. A lot of you are starting to help yourselves in regards to the music forum, weekly talks, etc, exactly what I was hoping to achieve with this thread. Help us help ourselves.


Blatant & obvious bullying towards other users will obviously be taken care of, but I do also appreciate the nature of this being an online forum & "members will be members" sometimes haha. Substance-less comments are a pain, but not against the rules, so unless it goes too far, there's not a lot I can do. However actions like banning people from individual threads if they are obviously & annoyingly "trolling" will be on the increase if necessary.

The suggestion of taking care of repeat threads is something I definitely want to work on too.

I started a History of Ska Music thread, which is linked in the official threads thread. If other members are looking to do the same thing for genres they are enthusiastic about, I'll be happy to add their threads to the permanent list.

Keep 'em coming!

By this, are you also referring to friendly banter? Because I think that's not bad at all if not done to an excess. It keeps the threads from becoming to cloying.

[cshadows2887]

By this, are you also referring to friendly banter? Because I think that's not bad at all if not done to an excess. It keeps the threads from becoming to cloying.

If getting off topic is frowned on, I'm so getting banned. As is the entire Brand New thread.

[IntoTheSun]

I think it usually works like this:
Hater: [Band] sucks.
Fan: You think you're better than me because I like [band].
Hater: Grow up.

Exactly, and I think a lot of people confuse that.

Oh good, glad you realize the difference. I didn't want us to get into a whole technical discussion about it haha. Saying any variation of "this band does not appeal to me" is different from being condesecending, but I sort of hate that hierarchal game people play in general.
If getting off topic is frowned on, I'm so getting banned. As is the entire Brand New thread.

And, uhm, pretty much everyone on this site, dude.

[El_Jeffe]

By this, are you also referring to friendly banter? Because I think that's not bad at all if not done to an excess. It keeps the threads from becoming to cloying.

Well yes & no. When I said I know "members will be members" sometimes, I meant that I accept some banter will no doubt take place & I'm certainly not looking to become some strict military hard-ass who's going to lay the "smack-down" on everything haha, certainly not. I know how this place works. But I also meant that when people come into a thread & simply say "so-&-so band sucks", they aren't really breaking the rules, unless they persist on in a manner of poor taste.

EDIT: I know some threads about bigger ap bands get a little chatty among regulars. Those aren't threads I've ever been interested in, so it's never been a personal problem for me. I'm not sure on other members thoughts on this, but for now nothing will change in those regards, unless a whole lot of fans kick up a fuss (which doesn't seem to be likely at this point). I'm not looking to radically change how this site runs, just make small & regular changes that you guys suggest to better benefit the forum.

[cshadows2887]

And, uhm, pretty much everyone on this site, dude.

Truth. Just thought I'd admit that I'm a frequent offender.

[xJesusFreakx]

Some really good ideas are beginning to brew in this thread, good to see, & every one's opinion has been read & considered. A lot of you are starting to help yourselves in regards to the music forum, weekly talks, etc, exactly what I was hoping to achieve with this thread. Help us help ourselves.


Blatant & obvious bullying towards other users will obviously be taken care of, but I do also appreciate the nature of this being an online forum & "members will be members" sometimes haha. Substance-less comments are a pain, but not against the rules, so unless it goes too far, there's not a lot I can do. However actions like banning people from individual threads if they are obviously & annoyingly "trolling" will be on the increase if necessary.

The suggestion of taking care of repeat threads is something I definitely want to work on too.

I started a History of Ska Music thread, which is linked in the official threads thread. If other members are looking to do the same thing for genres they are enthusiastic about, I'll be happy to add their threads to the permanent list.

Keep 'em coming!

The Post Hardcore thread link doesn't work for me, so I assume it was an old one that got archived. (That, or it just hates me.) Didn't check the other ones. We should update that list and, since it's shorter and likely more important due to their broader nature, move them above the current band list. Maybe we could make a new thread and sticky it for setting up and organizing the threads, just until the lists are sufficiently updated.

[El_Jeffe]

The Post Hardcore thread link doesn't work for me, so I assume it was an old one that got archived. (That, or it just hates me.) Didn't check the other ones. We should update that list and, since it's shorter and likely more important due to their broader nature, move them above the current band list. Maybe we could make a new thread and sticky it for setting up and organizing the threads, just until the lists are sufficiently updated.

Sweet as, post the current thread link into that official thread & I'll update it mate. I updated a few others yesterday, but obviously didn't check every single thread haha.

What's the reasoning behind a new official sticky thread? Not saying I'm opposed to it, just trying to understand if there's a real need from you guys.

[xJesusFreakx]

Sweet as, post the current thread link into that official thread & I'll update it mate. I updated a few others yesterday, but obviously didn't check every single thread haha.

What's the reasoning behind a new official sticky thread? Not saying I'm opposed to it, just trying to understand if there's a real need from you guys.

Well, it was just a thought for temporarily getting people's attention while establishing a relevant list. It's probably unnecessary when we have this one, though.

Here's the Post Hardcore thread: http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1526692

[IntoTheSun]

I don't see a real need for stickys, personally.

[El_Jeffe]

Updated. I'm more than happy to keep adding or updating threads when Matty's not around. That thread has been all his hard work, so all the credit belongs with him. But if any threads are outdated etc, just post them up & I'll get on to it.

There won't be many sticky's in a week or so, once I have as much feedback as people are wanting to give. I only intend on keeping the official threads thread.

[cshadows2887]

I wouldn't mind a sticky for Craig's musical recommendation of the week.

[xJesusFreakx]

Stickies are good for announcements, contests, etc. Too many can clutter things up, but they definitely have their place.

[El_Jeffe]

I thought about getting some people here involved for something like that a while back. But others have tried it & it usually fizzles out after a fortnight. So I've been trying to rack my brain to discover a way of keep it fresh, interesting & engaging. But as you can tell by the lack of actions, I haven't made much progress haha. But I never give up!

[IntoTheSun]

I thought about getting some people here involved for something like that a while back. But others have tried it & it usually fizzles out after a fortnight. So I've been trying to rack my brain to discover a way of keep it fresh, interesting & engaging. But as you can tell by the lack of actions, I haven't made much progress haha. But I never give up!

Nah, you're doing great, my friend. We're a difficult bunch. It's only so hard to get discussion going because it happens rather spontaneously. Creating the right sort of environment for it, however, is a challenge worth solving.

[x togepi x]

i think people complaining about hostility is way worse than hostility. this forum is insanely tame when it comes to things like that.

[IntoTheSun]

i think people complaining about hostility is way worse than hostility. this forum is insanely tame when it comes to things like that.

I could understand how it would come off as "annoying" to someone, but how exactly is it worse? And I don't really see it as complaining as much as bringing up a good point, because it's behavior a lot of us have witnessed and I think it contributes and encourages more negative attitude than any sort of complaining. Also, why should we be comparing the issues on this site to other internet forums? Seems irrelevant. Haha, yeah I pretty much just disagreed with everything you said there...

[x togepi x]

I could understand how it would come off as "annoying" to someone, but how exactly is it worse? And I don't really see it as complaining as much as bringing up a good point, because it's behavior a lot of us have witnessed and I think it contributes and encourages more negative attitude than any sort of complaining. Also, why should we be comparing the issues on this site to other internet forums? Seems irrelevant. Haha, yeah I pretty much just disagreed with everything you said there...

because it's pointless metadiscussion. at the end of the day, you're making posts on the internet. you can whine about people being mean, but by whining, you're not talking about music so you're no better than the people you're complaining about who don't add to musical discussion.

trying to enforce standards of niceness backfires because you end up being a dick to people you perceive as dicks when they themselves may not realize or intend to come off as a dick. it stifles a ton of discussion because a lot of worthwhile musical discussion comes from negativity. without it, you run the risk of conversations like this:

poster one: man, brand new is awesome.
poster two: yeah jesse lacey is so good.
poster one: yeah dude. they're so amazing.

Nothing new or interesting gets said. A good empirical example of this is the Say Anything thread after that david character got banned. That thread used to be front page all the time. Now it hardly gets posted in. I realize you can respond to this by saying one can argue about bands without being a dick, but since negativity is inherently based on one's perception of posts, even the nicest rebuff can be interpreted to be harsh. it ends up being a waste of time to say "be nice."

why shouldn't I compare this to other forums? it gives perspective.

[kearn1tm]

There's a reason why every thread I enter, people tear my poorly constructed ideas apart.

Yes. Yes there is, guy.

[kearn1tm]

For me, going into a thread to say "band sucks" without offering anything constructive isn't any worse than simply stating "Cool band". The problem isn't the negativity, it's the lack of constructive feedback (which is hard to really change).

Obviously the personal attacks you're referring to should be dealt with, but that's not usually how it works. Generally, someone comes in to bash the band, and a fan is offended. The personal conflict is usually started by a person who can't deal with someone else not liking their favourite band.

What I'm trying to say is, the problem isn't really with negativity, it's the fact that people need to grow up and realize others may hate your taste.

I wouldn't want all silly/funny/jovial/simplistic posts to go away. They make people happy. Heck, I enjoy entering a thread for an artist that I'm especially fond of that doesn't have many posts and leaving a one or two word response simply to keep it alive. Not every artist engenders a detailed response from me, and some leave my confounded. It's rather difficult to describe my impressions of certain bands, or maybe my sentiments have been expressed a few posts before me. This is even more important when you take into account that said artist isn't extremely popular on the site, and that more posts, regardless of length, would help prolong its existence and garner some more eyes.

I should clarify something. I'm not arguing against your desire to see more substantial, meaty conversation Rick. I'd love it .I really would, but I don't want positive, helpful or fun little comments to be eliminated in the process. They too serve a purpose.

Moreover, also agree with the idea that posters would be best served realizing that "not everyone likes what you like" and that "they're going to tell you that." However, I take umbrage with kids not being able to have a discussion about a pop rock act on this board, specifically one that this site promotes, because some, say, affected Pitchforkian indie kid is so insecure and in need of approval that he/she tries to be funny/cool by needlessly tearing the shit out of said pop rock band. Could those kids in the thread benefit from learning how to brush it off their shoulders? Of course, but I also know that, if some dude came in and relentlessly founded certain threads we post in regularly, some of the regulars who have the "good taste" (you know, the one that's somehow more accepted tastes on this board and are somehow more immune to this hierarchical chiding) would be as up-in-arms and confrontational that [spamer] was talking shit about, say, the Final Fantasy dude.

[Regards]

Whenever I'm not around, people should make threads asking "where's Todd?"
I think we should focus on #1
Slayer should not be mentioned for ironic effect and those who do should be banned.
Whenever I'm not around, people should make threads asking "where's Todd?"

I concur with a good 10% of this.

[DejaNew]

Lots of good ideas so far. As far as new ideas for topics go, I think it would be cool if we were to have a sticky thread where one user/week were to be selected to give 10 recommendations. These don't have to be a person's favourites, just bands/albums that they think more users should know about. They could choose 10 bands or 10 albums that they think everyone should listen to and give a little write-up about each one. I think this could be a great way to discover new music (and of course, everyone will be required to check out all of Craig and Vinh's recs, or they will be banned)

[cshadows2887]

Lots of good ideas so far. As far as new ideas for topics go, I think it would be cool if we were to have a sticky thread where one user/week were to be selected to give 10 recommendations. These don't have to be a person's favourites, just bands/albums that they think more users should know about. They could choose 10 bands or 10 albums that they think everyone should listen to and give a little write-up about each one. I think this could be a great way to discover new music (and of course, everyone will be required to check out all of Craig and Vinh's recs, or they will be banned)

This idea I like.

[TakeLotsWithAlcohol]

ban all of tachyonpython's fake accounts, he sucks.

This this this this this.

[IntoTheSun]

because it's pointless metadiscussion. at the end of the day, you're making posts on the internet. you can whine about people being mean, but by whining, you're not talking about music so you're no better than the people you're complaining about who don't add to musical discussion.

trying to enforce standards of niceness backfires because you end up being a dick to people you perceive as dicks when they themselves may not realize or intend to come off as a dick. it stifles a ton of discussion because a lot of worthwhile musical discussion comes from negativity. without it, you run the risk of conversations like this:

poster one: man, brand new is awesome.
poster two: yeah jesse lacey is so good.
poster one: yeah dude. they're so amazing.

Nothing new or interesting gets said. A good empirical example of this is the Say Anything thread after that david character got banned. That thread used to be front page all the time. Now it hardly gets posted in. I realize you can respond to this by saying one can argue about bands without being a dick, but since negativity is inherently based on one's perception of posts, even the nicest rebuff can be interpreted to be harsh. it ends up being a waste of time to say "be nice."

why shouldn't I compare this to other forums? it gives perspective.

Okay, I see what you're saying now. Thanks for clarifying.

[James Johnson]

WTF? Craig I come in here expecting a forum full of Finn brothers and slow cooker recipes and I find intelligent conversation and decent musical discussion... IN A MUSIC FORUM!?

Outrageous!

(congrats mate!)

[IntoTheSun]

WTF? Craig I come in here expecting a forum full of Finn brothers and slow cooker recipes and I find intelligent conversation and decent musical discussion... IN A MUSIC FORUM!?

Outrageous!

(congrats mate!)

Haha, how're things going in the state of nature?

[James Johnson]

Haha, how're things going in the state of nature?

state of nature? That what they call PL here?

[IntoTheSun]

state of nature? That what they call PL here?

No, no, just me haha. I just went and checked, seems like you're finally getting those buggers in line :-)

[El_Jeffe]

WTF? Craig I come in here expecting a forum full of Finn brothers and slow cooker recipes and I find intelligent conversation and decent musical discussion... IN A MUSIC FORUM!?

Outrageous!

(congrats mate!)

Haha cheers brother! That's all to come, don't worry. Pretty soon there will be a list of required Finn Brother listening before you're even allowed to lurk this forum haha. It's all for the greater good really.

How are you handling Personal Life? They don't tend to like any sort of change over there haha.

[PengusNiugnep]

I think it would make the forum less cluttered if people would post things like recommendations, self-promotion posts, etc. in their respective forums. I'm not saying to ban people who do that or anything, but it would be helpful it more people were made aware of these boards, how to get to them, or that they even exist.

[James Johnson]

No, no, just me haha. I just went and checked, seems like you're finally getting those buggers in line :-)

I truly thought it would be impossible but I have seen actual legit progress in the last 48 hours at PL! They are not so bad after all.

Haha cheers brother! That's all to come, don't worry. Pretty soon there will be a list of required Finn Brother listening before you're even allowed to lurk this forum haha. It's all for the greater good really.

How are you handling Personal Life? They don't tend to like any sort of change over there haha.

Hahahahaha thats what I like to hear. Considering visiting your country later this year :)

PL is the best forum on AP now. I lead my people like the Moses they deserved, eventually we will overrun General and I will lead my people back to the promised forum.

[Thomas Balkcom]

Haha cheers brother! That's all to come, don't worry. Pretty soon there will be a list of required Finn Brother listening before you're even allowed to lurk this forum haha. It's all for the greater good really.

How are you handling Personal Life? They don't tend to like any sort of change over there haha.

I'm stealing this idea for the Entertainment Forum and creating a "Self-Assessment" thread.

[kearn1tm]

Official threads I'd like to see included on the front page:

Sam Cooke
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1527022

Blue Sky Black Death
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1516362

Sonny Rollins
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1334641

Gil Scott-Heron
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1473261

Xiu Xiu
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1562712

Balmorhea
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1549412&page=2

Vivian Girls
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1543581

Frontier Ruckus
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=830852

The Mint Chicks
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1528031

Black Star
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=320776

The Avalanches
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=892952

Million Dead
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1469082

Vampire Hands
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1454481

Bel Biv DeVoe
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1443532

Nicola Conte
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1443751

The Mahavishnu Orchestra
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=854792

Labradford
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1490492

The Sea and Cake
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=1470102

[El_Jeffe]

I'm stealing this idea for the Entertainment Forum and creating a "Self-Assessment" thread.

Go for it mate, I sure thought it was a good idea haha. For me, it's about working together with the community, not laying down the law against them, & I think that's where other appointed moderators have gone wrong in various forums in the past. We'll see how it goes...

EDIT: I'm on my way out the door Todd, but later tonight you can expect all those threads added.

[kearn1tm]

Go for it mate, I sure thought it was a good idea haha. For me, it's about working together with the community, not laying down the law against them, & I think that's where other appointed moderators have gone wrong in various forums in the past. We'll see how it goes...

EDIT: I'm on my way out the door Todd, but later tonight you can expect all those threads added.

Oh cool. Thanks Craig. Much appreciated. I'm just hoping to get more eyes on some of these threads.

[IWasaCamera]

I have no issues with the negativity and even trolling (easy to avoid), it's the spam and repeat threads that irk me.

As for actual discussion, we've been trying to spur some for years and it just doesn't happen. It can probably be attributed to the small number of users who actually want to talk about music rather than devolving every thread into mind-numbing chitchat. If not that, then it's a parade of boring opinion-based threads (most/least/best/worst anything). This is the very reason weekly recs/topics would struggle in my estimation, but if you feel it's worth a shot, by all means go for it. If my schedule permits, I'll participate.

[fadedmemories]

Official band threads that end up being chat threads. I guess that would be impossible to avoid.

[cshadows2887]

As far as chatty band threads, I think even those threads are perfectly willing to talk on-topic if someone comes in and starts up a conversation. JUst there's only so much on-topic discussion you can have about a band before you run out of stuff to talk about and the thread dies.

[fly_guy]

People that try and make Brand New jokes should be banned. NEVER EVER EVER WERE FUNNY EVER

[cshadows2887]

People that try and make Brand New jokes should be banned. NEVER EVER EVER WERE FUNNY EVER

You don't appreciate Brand New. Or me.

[fly_guy]

You don't appreciate Brand New. Or me.
My proposition seems to have been pretty c-c-c-c-c-c-controversial

o_o SEE? NOT FUNNY

[cshadows2887]

My proposition seems to have been pretty c-c-c-c-c-c-controversial

o_o SEE? NOT FUNNY

I chuckled.

[El_Jeffe]

How do people feel about self-promotion threads? I'm very tempted to move any that I see to the self-promotion forum. Do these threads bother anyone else?

[cshadows2887]

How do people feel about self-promotion threads? I'm very tempted to move any that I see to the self-promotion forum. Do these threads bother anyone else?

I say let 'em go. If the band sucks, people will ignore it anyway, but nobody checks the self-promotion forum, so why not give the bands a chance.

[El_Jeffe]

You may be right. If they don't particularly bother anyone then I won't go changing anything. It was just a thought, I've never liked when people just sign up to milk a thread about their band.

[cshadows2887]

You may be right. If they don't particularly bother anyone then I won't go changing anything. It was just a thought, I've never liked when people just sign up to milk a thread about their band.

Don't get me wrong, it annoys me too, but who's to say someone won't dig it? Like I said, if they suck, they'll get two haters posting and the thread will disappear in 2 days. Hopefully...

[IWasaCamera]

Maybe you could create one general self-promotion thread where acts could whore their music out without cluttering the forum, much like the idea of one recommendations thread but that didn't quite pan out.

[IntoTheSun]

I have no issues with the negativity and even trolling (easy to avoid), it's the spam and repeat threads that irk me.

As for actual discussion, we've been trying to spur some for years and it just doesn't happen. It can probably be attributed to the small number of users who actually want to talk about music rather than devolving every thread into mind-numbing chitchat. If not that, then it's a parade of boring opinion-based threads (most/least/best/worst anything). This is the very reason weekly recs/topics would struggle in my estimation, but if you feel it's worth a shot, by all means go for it. If my schedule permits, I'll participate.

I would definitely be interested in this. I can think of enough willing users who would participate. I mean, it could just be ridden full of regulars, but I don't think that would be a bad thing necessarily. It sounds like a great way to get discussion going about artists who aren't as popular here without having to create an official thread that only gets 4 responses and 30 views, or something.

[cshadows2887]

I like Vinh's idea. Put the self-promotion into one thread that's still in the music section.

[IWasaCamera]

I would definitely be interested in this. I can think of enough willing users who would participate. I mean, it could just be ridden full of regulars, but I don't think that would be a bad thing necessarily. It sounds like a great way to get discussion going about artists who aren't as popular here without having to create an official thread that only gets 4 responses and 30 views, or something.
Wouldn't that yield the exact same results as what we're doing now then? The only difference would be that topics/recs become a mandatory weekly contribution rather than one done on a whim. Either way, as I mentioned above, I'll still take part when I can. Most of the regulars here are good folks.

[El_Jeffe]

Yea that's been my issue with weekly recc's too. While they are great threads, the enthusiasm passes after a mere fortnight, especially when a lot of people's favourite bands start releasing albums during the year. & besides, a lot of this music is already in front of peoples noses the whole time, they just don't check it out.

So I have an idea which might be a slightly better option. If I just start to sticky good threads about whichever band we think could use some more attention. One thread stickied for just for a couple days, then change it up at our own discretion. This could be any thread, made today, yesterday, last week, last year, three years ago. Marvin Gaye, Ladysmith Black Mambazo, The Phoenix Foundation, Galactic, John Coltrane, Xavier Rudd, Josh Ritter, topical discussion threads, whatever really. Any quality thread we see about any quality artist/topic (obviously a lot of subjectivity comes into it) from any user.

Could work? I don't expect it to be a massive overwhelming forum changing success haha. But it's a simple option that could potentially get others interested in new sounds.

[kearn1tm]

So I have an idea which might be a slightly better option. If I just start to sticky good threads about whichever band we think could use some more attention. One thread stickied for just for a couple days, then change it up at our own discretion. This could be any thread, made today, yesterday, last week, last year, three years ago. Marvin Gaye, Ladysmith Black Mambazo, The Phoenix Foundation, Galactic, John Coltrane, Xavier Rudd, Josh Ritter, topical discussion threads, whatever really. Any quality thread we see about any quality artist/topic (obviously a lot of subjectivity comes into it) from any user.
.

I really like this, but the question remains: how do we decide which thread gets chosen for each couple day-interval?

To keep a populist/democractic feel, there could be a vote, but if the point is to generate new discussion for posters who don't frequently traverse "obscure" artists' threads then the vote would always go toward an established, near-universally adored artist who already has a vast amount of posts/posters who dwell inside the thread itself.

Would you randomly cycle through the "Official Threads?" Would you sticky them alphabetically?

[Chromefox]

People could submit their threads to Craig, via a thread or whatever, and he could randomly select a thread of UNDER 5-10 pages or something to sticky for a bit.

[IntoTheSun]

Still seems rather arbitrary though, but I guess it could be done.

[El_Jeffe]

Yea I think I'd just randomly cycle through them, or if someone just starts a great thread, or a great bump, or whatever I see when I'm online at the time. Although avoiding the bands that are already well established here. Or sticky a band who's known, but has just released an exciting new album etc. It's really at our own discretion, no hard fast rules. All members threads will be considered if they're "decent", & any good discussion topics etc will be included in selection too.

It's best to keep it simple, & if after a few weeks of cycling it doesnt really take off, then I can just put it to an end as quickly as it started. No harm done. Just another simple idea, little changes to slowly improve this place & encourage a little musical discovery for all our members.

[Chromefox]

I love the idea of Craig generating discussion, because then it's legit. If I do it, I'm just an attention whore. ;-)

[IntoTheSun]

I love the idea of Craig generating discussion, because then it's legit. If I do it, I'm just an attention whore. ;-)

ILY, Meg.

[Chromefox]

But seriously, I think a number of ideas we've tried to execute in the past might have more weight when sponsored by staff.

[El_Jeffe]

Haha you lost me there mate... But no doubt some of your threads will crop up in the rotation. I don't think there will be a lot of rhyme or reason to it, just whatever looks good at the time. It's up to the individual whether or not they decide to check out these random threads to see what they can find.

At the time of conception I liked the idea because it was simple, required no work from anyone, & because it's up to us as individuals whether or not we divulge into these things, nobody is forcing anything upon anyone. If that makes sense?

I think small changes are best to improve this place, working with the community rather than laying down a whole new law that upsets everyone.

EDIT: what ideas mate? You're absolutely welcome to share or try whatever you like. But I'm barely "staff" haha & everyone knows it. I'm a member of the community like everybody else here, I can just tidy up some spam from time to time haha.

[IntoTheSun]

I support this idea, in any case. When will we first implement this? Or will we take a poll first?

[El_Jeffe]

If people are reasonably happy with the idea, I'll just start it randomly tomorrow when I think there's a thread that could do with some love about a band/topic that a lot of other people might get enjoyment or learn something out of. I have no threads currently in mind, just see how it plays out, I'm not one for strict routine & structure haha.

[IntoTheSun]

Sounds good!

By the way, I don't know if you can do anything about this, but the search function always seems to be broken when it comes to Xiu Xiu. I don't know if this is happening to anyone else, but my search function never gives anything for them. It's a bit difficult digging through pages just to find that thread. Do you have any idea how to fix it?

Edit: Also, can users give suggestions about these said bands? I have a couple in mind haha.

[El_Jeffe]

The search function always seems to break down from time to time, for reasons I don't know. Only Jason (owner of this site) can correct that. It's just an unfortunate occasional bother. I've added that thread to official music forum threads list though.

[Chromefox]

The search function won't search any word shorter than four letters.

Also, the things we've tried have ranged from discussion topics to daily recommendation threads, to group listening threads, all with lukewarm success.

And I know you're still one of us, Craig, but that's not going to stop you from getting your dick sucked. Hahahaha.

[Wobbie]

This is a thread where all you guys can post any ideas, suggestions, comments, complaints, improvements, etc, in regards to the music forum. I'm not promising any overnight miracles or radical shakedowns, but I'm sure we would all like to make this place a little more engaging for all current & potential users. What's working for us? What isn't? What would you like to see more or less of?

This is a chance for you guys to help me help all of us. Those of you who know me already will know I'm open to pretty much anything, so don't be shy & feel free to share your thoughts in here, or private message me, anytime. Cheers guys!
Dude, you're a mod now? When did that happen? Congrats! :-)

[El_Jeffe]

About five minutes before I made this thread haha. Thanks mate, good to see you around again, you're visits are too few & far between.

[Wobbie]

Awesome, haha. Was this your first thread as a mod? If so, it was a damn good one to start it off!

No worries. Haha, thanks! Great to see you again too! I've missed all you old regulars. I hope to stick around this time. Though i think i said that last time too, haha.

[IWasaCamera]

I don't mind the sticky cycle idea. Rousing success is unlikely but it may make regulars' threads more accessible to those who don't typically post in them.

[kblatz]

The search function won't search any word shorter than four letters.

Also, the things we've tried have ranged from discussion topics to daily recommendation threads, to group listening threads, all with lukewarm success.

And I know you're still one of us, Craig, but that's not going to stop you from getting your dick sucked. Hahahaha.
agreeed on the search function thing

[Brokenhill]

I'm probably alone in this, but i'd be interested in decade-specific threads, of the last century (or most of it) and the start of this one. It could be really elaborate where there would be genre/artist highlights and with short music history lessons in the first post, or just a place for people to go to get reccomendations.

I think it would help, at least for pre-60's decades, because there's not many official/active threads involving genres in those times, except for jazz. This would just be a place for everyone to go, instead of having 30 official band/artist threads or even specific genre threads (like Blues, Big Band, etc.), because I doubt those would be active for more than a week. There are tons of official band specific threads as it is, and the majority are forgotten and sink for months or years, but I think that people would remember decade specific threads, and bump them.

If 9-11 threads seems a bit much, it's not really necessary to go past the 80s, as the 90s (and of course the 00'/10's) are largely discussed already.

Edit: If you're wondering why I don't just make the threads myself, that's because A: I'm not knowledgable in those times (hence my interest in the first place), and B: The majority of my threads fail, because, well, i'm AFG.

[xJesusFreakx]

If these decade threads could develop into worthwhile recommendations, history lessons, and discussions, I'd be down with that, especially considering how much of my personal music knowledge comes from recent history. Full decades might be much too broad, though, and I also fear such threads would devolve pretty easily into the same old name drops.

[El_Jeffe]

Awesome, haha. Was this your first thread as a mod? If so, it was a damn good one to start it off!

No worries. Haha, thanks! Great to see you again too! I've missed all you old regulars. I hope to stick around this time. Though i think i said that last time too, haha.

Sure was. I saw your post in the other thread too, & I sure have upgraded the internet haha. It is cool to see some Southern Hemisphere members given a chance, if you don't know already, kissthebottle James is now the moderator of the personal life forum haha poor bugger. But something tells me he'll love it in there.

Something I've missed here is the real camaraderie of the regulars, that real sense of community, that feeling of musical interest from everyone. So I'm trying to come up with slow subtle plans to bring a lot of that back for everyone. But we'll see how that pans out.... haha.

I'm probably alone in this, but i'd be interested in decade-specific threads, of the last century (or most of it) and the start of this one. It could be really elaborate where there would be genre/artist highlights and with short music history lessons in the first post, or just a place for people to go to get reccomendations.

I think it would help, at least for pre-60's decades, because there's not many official/active threads involving genres in those times, except for jazz. This would just be a place for everyone to go, instead of having 30 official band/artist threads or even specific genre threads (like Blues, Big Band, etc.), because I doubt those would be active for more than a week. There are tons of official band specific threads as it is, and the majority are forgotten and sink for months or years, but I think that people would remember decade specific threads, and bump them.

If 9-11 threads seems a bit much, it's not really necessary to go past the 80s, as the 90s (and of course the 00'/10's) are largely discussed already.

Edit: If you're wondering why I don't just make the threads myself, that's because A: I'm not knowledgable in those times (hence my interest in the first place), and B: The majority of my threads fail, because, well, i'm AFG.

Hmm decade threads. That's a good idea mate, quite probably a lot of work, but not undo-able. I know exactly what the bloke above means about the same old cliche artists/musical movements being mentioned, but if we did a collaborative effort with other users it just might work. There's perhaps enough users who know a wide range of information about less "mainstream" movements within each era for us to produce something of interest. We could incorporate many previously made official threads about bands & genres etc too, so many users could add to the project, which I'd really like. I'll see what I can do about this & how it could begin to take shape. Great input though, as usual.

[Brokenhill]

Alright cool, thanks man.

And yea, another reason why I am interested in this is because I always do hear about the same artists/albums, even on other sites.

[IWasaCamera]

Seems as though these decade threads would be the same old, but consolidated under one umbrella rather than dispersed across several.

[Wobbie]

I thought it was fine when we had the separate genre forums back in... 2006 i think it was? Something like that anyway. Sure, idiots would be posting pop/rock stuff in the punk forum, acoustic rock in the folk forum, etc, but overall, it still worked. That change turned away a lot of good punk loving regulars.

[fly_guy]

Yeah the separate forums worked a lot better

[Wobbie]

Sure was. I saw your post in the other thread too, & I sure have upgraded the internet haha. It is cool to see some Southern Hemisphere members given a chance, if you don't know already, kissthebottle James is now the moderator of the personal life forum haha poor bugger. But something tells me he'll love it in there.

Something I've missed here is the real camaraderie of the regulars, that real sense of community, that feeling of musical interest from everyone. So I'm trying to come up with slow subtle plans to bring a lot of that back for everyone. But we'll see how that pans out.... haha.

Yeah, i saw that James was staff. Pretty cool. Personal life forum, haha. That'd be interesting :-d

Yeah, i agree about the sense of community being much less than it used to. I'm glad some of the old music forums regulars still post here, and there are some good new regulars, but it used to be a much larger amount.

[theguy77]

i don't like the idea of separating by genre. why would you limit the forum discussion that way? some bands make multiple genres of music throughout their career, and many regulars on these boards arent avid supporters of one sound, but more so connoisseurs of anything from anywhere that can pique their interest. why cut up the discussion and make a narrow minded communion of punk fans here, folk fans there, when part of a music community should be about shared discussion among people of different musical backgrounds? people discover more things and expand their perspectives a lot better that way, and ive found that the best debates to be had that involve the most people, happen when multiple genres are being discussed.

plus you'd never get past the genre confusion causing unnecessary, petty, and repetitive arguments in the music forum day in and day out, and since most people are not so educated about genres and music in general until they come in contact with a community of people who do know what they're talking about (i didnt have a clue when i first joined and im still learning 3 years later), enforcing a system that requires people to know the ins and outs of each genre before participating in discussion is not very newbie friendly. not to mention, it'd probably further cultivate a ridiculous hierarchy of who knows better and who doesn't, and that would divide the forum rather than enhancing the community. chat threads are cliquey enough, let's not make the whole forum that way because of something as trivial and limiting as a genre.

[x togepi x]

i don't like the idea of separating by genre. why would you limit the forum discussion that way? some bands make multiple genres of music throughout their career, and many regulars on these boards arent avid supporters of one sound, but more so connoisseurs of anything from anywhere that can pique their interest. why cut up the discussion and make a narrow minded communion of punk fans here, folk fans there, when part of a music community should be about shared discussion among people of different musical backgrounds? people discover more things and expand their perspectives a lot better that way, and ive found that the best debates to be had that involve the most people, happen when multiple genres are being discussed.

plus you'd never get past the genre confusion causing unnecessary, petty, and repetitive arguments in the music forum day in and day out, and since most people are not so educated about genres and music in general until they come in contact with a community of people who do know what they're talking about (i didnt have a clue when i first joined and im still learning 3 years later), enforcing a system that requires people to know the ins and outs of each genre before participating in discussion is not very newbie friendly. not to mention, it'd probably further cultivate a ridiculous hierarchy of who knows better and who doesn't, and that would divide the forum rather than enhancing the community. chat threads are cliquey enough, let's not make the whole forum that way because of something as trivial and limiting as a genre.

You're ignoring the fact that musical discussion was way better back in the day of separate forums than it is now. Not that we'll ever go back to those days, but there were some awesomely indepth conversations that just aren't happening now.

[Thesleepingwell]

Hmm decade threads. That's a good idea mate, quite probably a lot of work, but not undo-able. I know exactly what the bloke above means about the same old cliche artists/musical movements being mentioned, but if we did a collaborative effort with other users it just might work. There's perhaps enough users who know a wide range of information about less "mainstream" movements within each era for us to produce something of interest. We could incorporate many previously made official threads about bands & genres etc too, so many users could add to the project, which I'd really like. I'll see what I can do about this & how it could begin to take shape. Great input though, as usual.

As a fan of music from both the 70s and 80s, having those would be awesome. Would make for some intresting discussion as there are quite a few of us who like music from that era. I'm a big fan of 70s prog so I'd be prepared to chip in. Just putting that out there.
All in all, I'm down.

You're ignoring the fact that musical discussion was way better back in the day of separate forums than it is now. Not that we'll ever go back to those days, but there were some awesomely indepth conversations that just aren't happening now.

Good deabte there. As a recent joiner to this board, I've noticed that some discussion seems go south, but others tend to be good.
However I've noticed a lot of music discussion seems to float around in General. Just thought I'd mention that observation as those threads tend to be the more intresting ones.

[jdnard]

Layout could be just a lil simpler

[Sarcasm]

The Music and the General forums need to have more specific guidelines. There are a lot of Music threads in General.

Everything else seems good. :-)

[SanePsychotic]

Layout could be just a lil simpler

I think the layout is pretty straightforward. How could it be made simpler?

[mnesi]

Check out Neighbors! Become a fan on facebook. They're my favorite local (Long Island) band!! <3

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Neighbors/283068343948?ref=ts
myspace.com/nghbrs

[IWasaCamera]

That should improve the quality of this forum.

[fly_guy]

Maybe if we all become fans, we'll have more intellectual discussions? I vote we do it.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

The day they collapsed all the genre forums into one was an interesting day around here. Caused quite the buzz. I do think the different forums worked well though.

[whatbox!!!]

I think spererate sub forums for different genres might be nice and would create some cool sub communities

[El_Jeffe]

I know the older members already know this, but to the new members, the separate genre forums are not a reality. They were part of the design structure in the past, but are obviously no longer.


Also, to anyone thinking of spamming this place about your band (which has been happening a lot lately), I'll either move your thread to the self-promotion forum, or ban you for spamming if you're going to post everywhere for hits.

I have no problems with regular members who have been here a while, & know the community, posting one thread about their band in this forum. That's all part of the benefits of becoming a part of the community.

[El_Jeffe]

I was just talking with Tim about perhaps creating a music forum members compilation album. Where members who have recorded original music of decent quality can contribute a song or two, & one will be selected & placed on it. Then the compilation will be given out to the forum/AP for free. The general forum have done this once or twice, but naturally it focused on contributions from that forum, & I know there's talent floating around in here too.

What are your guys thoughts?

This isn't set in stone, just a passing thought. Obviously I would like this to feature members who are more "known" rather than a whole heap of randoms who just sign up for this compilation, or are known spammers.

[El_Jeffe]

:thumbup:

:piano:

:floating:

:goofy:

Just to get the ball rolling here, I just wanted thoughts from some of you about the post above, as you guys are perhaps in contention?

(I know there's heaps more members in bands, but I couldn't think of everyone at once haha)

[cshadows2887]

Just to get the ball rolling here, I just wanted thoughts from some of you about the post above, as you guys are perhaps in contention?

(I know there's heaps more members in bands, but I couldn't think of everyone at once haha)

I'd definitely be game.

You should include Max (MaxDaulerio) in it too. His band, Hand Me Down Buick, is great.

[El_Jeffe]

This would be open to all members of the community who aren't random spammers haha. So yea that bloke is definitely free to put forward a song or two if he wishes. I just want to see what the general feel for this would be before going ahead with it mate.

[xJesusFreakx]

Any compilation featuring The Riverside Worship Project, Hand Me Down Buick, and a Chris band will automatically be awesome. Featuring both Next Week's Weather and Northbrook would be fun, even though they're not fond of each other, lol. Doesn't that "Rodeo" user have a band, too? Holy Hounds or something? Kristoff (Regards) has a band, too, and so does "x togepi x," though I'm not sure if they've recorded anything yet. Ha, this sounds tight already.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Just to get the ball rolling here, I just wanted thoughts from some of you about the post above, as you guys are perhaps in contention?

(I know there's heaps more members in bands, but I couldn't think of everyone at once haha)

Would be very into it. Would be cool to hear music from folks around here. Always thought it was cool when they did it in General.

[El_Jeffe]

Any compilation featuring The Riverside Worship Project, Hand Me Down Buick, and a Chris band will automatically be awesome. Featuring both Next Week's Weather and Northbrook would be fun, even though they're not fond of each other, lol. Doesn't that "Rodeo" user have a band, too? Holy Hounds or something? Kristoff (Regards) has a band, too, and so does "x togepi x," though I'm not sure if they've recorded anything yet. Ha, this sounds tight already.

Yea a lot of those punk boys are in bands. I'll get in touch with them as well. Heaps of members here actually haha. I just wanted to know if many would be into this, & if the feeling about it is all sweet, I'll make a new thread about it so it will gather attention from everyone.

[FueledByFrodo]

I was just talking with Tim about perhaps creating a music forum members compilation album. Where members who have recorded original music of decent quality can contribute a song or two, & one will be selected & placed on it. Then the compilation will be given out to the forum/AP for free. The general forum have done this once or twice, but naturally it focused on contributions from that forum, & I know there's talent floating around in here too.

What are your guys thoughts?

This isn't set in stone, just a passing thought. Obviously I would like this to feature members who are more "known" rather than a whole heap of randoms who just sign up for this compilation, or are known spammers.

Just saying, I just did this in General. Hence my avatar.

[El_Jeffe]

Just saying, I just did this in General.

I know this has been done in the general forum. When Vince did it originally, the final product was one of great quality. Which obviously brought about subsequent compilations. But they've been rather general forum member specific. This is a music forum compilation, focusing on our members. If it gets enough interest I see no reason not to go ahead with it, & if not... then it's simply forgotten haha.

[FueledByFrodo]

I know this has been done in the general forum. When Vince did it originally, the final product was one of great quality. Which obviously brought about subsequent compilations. But they've been rather general forum member specific. This is a music forum compilation, focusing on our members. If it gets enough interest I see no reason not to go ahead with it, & if not... then it's simply forgotten haha.

I understand. I was hoping to get members from Music too, but never did, so definitely go ahead and do a Music forum specific one.

[stupidtyonparad]

for a good 30 seconds i starred at my screen thinking "i never ever posted a titanic smiley face in my life"

i would be down. any way to get my music out there i'm up for. and the free'er the better. "lets be frank" or "in the ground" are probably the two next week's weather tracks i'd want to submit

[El_Jeffe]

I understand. I was hoping to get members from Music too, but never did, so definitely go ahead and do a Music forum specific one.

To be honest, I only saw the first two compilations, & had no idea you had done another one so recently, let alone where compilation 3 & 4 came from haha. Has there really been no music forum members contribute to any of them? That's bizarre.

Very cool of you to get actively involved & create the general one you mentioned though mate.

[FueledByFrodo]

To be honest, I only saw the first two compilations, & had no idea you had done another one so recently, let alone where compilation 3 & 4 came from haha. Has there really been no music forum members contribute to any of them? That's bizarre.

Very cool of you to get actively involved & create the general one you mentioned though mate.

Thanks. Vince did three, and Nathan did four. It'd been over year since four came out, so I stepped up for it. I'm not sure how many Music members submitted though.

[mht]

Good deabte there. As a recent joiner to this board, I've noticed that some discussion seems go south, but others tend to be good.
However I've noticed a lot of music discussion seems to float around in General. Just thought I'd mention that observation as those threads tend to be the more intresting ones.


pretty much this.

Since I have a lot of posts I have been stuck in the habit of always posting any music threads I make in the general forum, especially when they are new releases, a lot of users to do it I think because

a) the general forum has more concentration of users and users with a lot of posts
b) a lot of lurkers in the general

With that said, you can't really make those kind of threads in the music forum because it should be discussed in the bands official thread or genre thread. Which is fine, but really to make the music forum more...something I'm not sure what it would take. I love posting in the Hardcore Thread because it has a great niche of users, even better than the general forum. But at the same time if I want to make a thread about a new release from a band I like, I look towards the general forum over the music forum and I think a lot of users do, so it makes the music forum very bastardized. The Music forum is basically one big giant chat thread if you break it down. Since there is separate forums for the genres anymore it seems like the music forum has about 5 to 10 reoccurring thread themes with the same user base, so realistically besides maybe the Hardcore and Punk thread and maybe one or two others, how much music discussion is actually going on? The Brand New thread is a chat thread, The Say Anything thread is a chat thread, The Music Forum Chat thread is a chat thread, I could go on and on but the user niche in the music forum is more a group of people that like to bullshit with each other, which is fine, but it's basically just the General Forum Part II at this point and I am not sure what it would take to change that.

This is just a rant, most likely a useless one, but I think it brings up some points. I love music and I love discussing music, but usually if I want to even try to gauge music discussion from users I am the one having to make a thread of a release, and even then it will either go ignored or I'll just make it in the general forum, so it goes back to my idea of the Music Forum being neglected, and I wish that wasn't the case because I like the userbase in here.

[El_Jeffe]

You brought up some very valid points though mate, a lot of which echo my own. Threads that contain a niche of users, like the ones you mentioned, are fantastic. & something I hope continues to keep developing for a wider range of sounds. The constant chat threads is ridiculous & will likely be stamped out eventually.

Another point you raised about having to discuss a band within it's own thread, yea that seems to be the general rule. But if a band has a whole new album coming out that deserved attention, I wouldn't be too concerned if someone created a singular thread about said new album upon it's release. It's only the general rule to stop 21,000 bloody brand new, blink 182, etc, threads.

[JustAGirl01]

we should get the "new music" thread sticky'd!

[Matt Chylak]

I was just talking with Tim about perhaps creating a music forum members compilation album. Where members who have recorded original music of decent quality can contribute a song or two, & one will be selected & placed on it. Then the compilation will be given out to the forum/AP for free. The general forum have done this once or twice, but naturally it focused on contributions from that forum, & I know there's talent floating around in here too.

What are your guys thoughts?

This isn't set in stone, just a passing thought. Obviously I would like this to feature members who are more "known" rather than a whole heap of randoms who just sign up for this compilation, or are known spammers.

cool idea. i'd submit

[Matt Chylak]

can you impose post limits on the submit your own poetry/lyrics thread? there's too many people flooding it with bad poetry. maybe like one new thread per user a week, or even restrict users from creating threads if they don't have like 2000 total posts? it's a graveyard over there, and there used to be great discussion/critique.

also, bring back david.

[xJesusFreakx]

can you impose post limits on the submit your own poetry/lyrics thread? there's too many people flooding it with bad poetry. maybe like one new thread per user a week, or even restrict users from creating threads if they don't have like 2000 total posts? it's a graveyard over there, and there used to be great discussion/critique.

also, bring back david.

:-d I think his ban ends sometime this summer.

[El_Jeffe]

cool idea. i'd submit

This will take off in a week or so. My broadband ran out for the month, which would make uploading/downloading/listening to members music impossible, so as soon as it's back I'll make a thread.

can you impose post limits on the submit your own poetry/lyrics thread? there's too many people flooding it with bad poetry. maybe like one new thread per user a week, or even restrict users from creating threads if they don't have like 2000 total posts? it's a graveyard over there, and there used to be great discussion/critique.

also, bring back david.

I understand your frustration, but there's nothing I can really do about that. The new users creating threads issue is already being looked at I think...?

[Matt Chylak]

This will take off in a week or so. My broadband ran out for the month, which would make uploading/downloading/listening to members music impossible, so as soon as it's back I'll make a thread.

I understand your frustration, but there's nothing I can really do about that. The new users creating threads issue is already being looked at I think...?

thanks for you consideration. congrats on the new title :)

[Genuma]

i haven't been in music forum for a while i guess, congrats on being a moderator craig!

[EvanIfItKillsMe]

I HATE YOU ELLLL JEFFE


x

and yes i know how to post

[El_Jeffe]

i haven't been in music forum for a while i guess, congrats on being a moderator craig!

Cheers brother. It's good to see you again.

I HATE YOU ELLLL JEFFE


x

and yes i know how to post

Weren't you banned for life? That's not about to change... Take a hike.

[TakeLotsWithAlcohol]

I'm really liking the work you're doing here, Craig.

That is all.

[Matt Chylak]

insert 'brand new thread' for 'britney'
kHmvkRoEowc

[Chris92]

Sure this has been mentioned before in here somewhere...but why do people have to go and make a thread about every bit of news? I mean, if it's on the front page as news and there's 200 posts discussing it there, between that and the official band thread, isn't that enough?

Also, what's the general policy on album threads? Just curious.

[El_Jeffe]

I know what you mean, that's why threads get closed. The general rule goes something like: search for the band you want to discuss by checking the "Music Forum Official Threads" thread, stickied at the top of the page. If there's nothing in there, use the search function, & post your ideas/discussion points/points of interest in the bands official thread. If that fails, you can start a thread about said band, which will then become the official thread, that everyone else will search for in the future.

Now, if a band has an upcoming release that is likely to appeal to a large number of members here etc then ONE thread can be created specific to the album.

But thousands of threads about the same band will be closed. It's something that annoys all members.

[Chris92]

Okay, thanks man!

[Psychoriley]

New here, but I'll let you know

[Avery16]

i like music very much

[Applebelly]

I believe that it needs extra sections for particualr threads. Like band sections for people to talk about bands and a instrument section

[TBLmusic]

Hey guys,
I'm new to AP so this may the completey wrong arena to be asking this question. But I am trying to figure out how to promote the bans I am in through this site. Any help would be awesome. If I'm in the wrong thread my apologies. I'm just not used to the Layout of my homepage etc. Thanks

[El_Jeffe]

Hey guys,
I'm new to AP so this may the completey wrong arena to be asking this question. But I am trying to figure out how to promote the bans I am in through this site. Any help would be awesome. If I'm in the wrong thread my apologies. I'm just not used to the Layout of my homepage etc. Thanks

I'm glad you asked this question first instead of just spamming this site with your band, like many many others do. The only place on AP which you can promote & advertise your band is in the Self Promotion Forum (http://www.absolutepunk.net/forumdisplay.php?f=5). Further down the track, once your band is actually established & maybe signed, you can go about submitting an AP Band Profile Page, whether that gets accepted or not is out of my hands.

[bigchauncersetc]

i've noticed a lack of pictures of cats with misspelled quotes on them. what sort of forum is this?

[apnettop]

hahaha some of you crack me up