Floyd Landis Caught Doping

[LeftWideOpen]

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf2006/news/story?id=2531225

this didnt take long to surface, at all.

[IAmNietzche]

I think it's bullshit that they leak this when it isn't confirmed and it's entirely possible that the high levels are completely natural. His win is tainted now no matter what happens.

[mat1419]

whatever, he got to stand on the podium and piss off all the French people, so I'm happy.

[fire on my lips]

it very well could be natural, we'll find out in a few days if it is or not.

[LeftWideOpen]

he's appearing on jay leno tomorrow night ..that suddenly got much more awkward.

[ColourandShape]

well that sucks

[Chriz2z]

Oh snap!

[NameTaken69]

whatever, he got to stand on the podium and piss off all the French people, so I'm happy.
hah good point

[FondestMemory]

the french people actually like him, he's a farmer and they can relate to him. he didn't face the kind of hate lance did, so i don't think they were really pissed to see him win.

however, somebody was pissed enough to leak this story. sad thing is there's about another week til the second test results are available. so this hangs over him for days when it may not even be anything.

there's a lot of things that can cause his testosterone ratio to fluxuate, so hopefully it was one of those and that's made apparent in the b test.

and it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up bailing on leno. he's not the most media savvy guy. he probably has no clue how to handle this publicly.

[bigmike]

he's appearing on jay leno tomorrow night ..that suddenly got much more awkward.
$10 says leno doesn't speak a word about this in the interview.

[Vincewithouthee]

I think it's bullshit that they leak this when it isn't confirmed and it's entirely possible that the high levels are completely natural. His win is tainted now no matter what happens.
Agreed.

But, this pic of him is pretty damn scary:

http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0727/oly_g_landis_412.jpg

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

he dominated jeopardy

[leafsacc]

It will be interesting to see if what he says about having naturally high testosterone levels is true, because if it is, then he has 5x the testosternone of nomral males, which seems a little difficult to believe.

[justinevans]

the ratio of testesterone to e-testerone was low, and they don't know what it is, maybe a cortazone shot or the special beer he drinks ?

His testerone was not high, so doping might not be an issue.

[preppyak]

the french people actually like him, he's a farmer and they can relate to him. he didn't face the kind of hate lance did, so i don't think they were really pissed to see him win. Yep...I've met him before actually (didn't know he was gonna be a Tour de France winner obviously)

It will be interesting to see if what he says about having naturally high testosterone levels is true, because if it is, then he has 5x the testosternone of nomral males, which seems a little difficult to believe.
But, being a farmer and from a family of people who worked in farming/construction, it's probably fairly likely they have high levels of testosterone already. His cousin is a fucking beast...he's got the ability to do the work of like 2 guys during any day...so I don't doubt it
and it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up bailing on leno. he's not the most media savvy guy. he probably has no clue how to handle this publicly.
haha...I hope they interview his cousin Fred. Guy speaks like Elmer Fudd, it's great.

[preppyak]

haha..my brother sent me this

tjmvp9 (7:30:18 PM): floyd landis' new theme song
tjmvp9 (7:30:36 PM): ridin' (my bike) dirty - by chamillionaire

[bigmike]

haha..my brother sent me this

tjmvp9 (7:30:18 PM): floyd landis' new theme song
tjmvp9 (7:30:36 PM): ridin' (my bike) dirty - by chamillionaire
haha.

[xbrokendownx]

haha..my brother sent me this

tjmvp9 (7:30:18 PM): floyd landis' new theme song
tjmvp9 (7:30:36 PM): ridin' (my bike) dirty - by chamillionaire





hahaha they hatinnnnnnnnn

[preppyak]

someone needs to edit thte Tour video and taht song and Youtube that shit

[wesgemm08]

with the amount these guys probably get tested I highly doubt he was doping... its just someone trying to taint his victory

[leafsacc]

It's weird that it was never an issue in the past for him if he naturally has levels that high.

[FondestMemory]

i'd be willing to bet it's solely related to the cortizone shots he takes for his hip or the beers he had after the 16th phase.

at least i hope so. if not, any american that even attempts to run the tour anymore will be under the biggest fucking microscope ever.

[xbrokendownx]

The night before Stage 17, Mr. Landis said, while gathered with friends and teammates, he prepared for the strenuous mountain stage by drinking two beers and at least four shots of whiskey.

The revelation that Mr. Landis was drinking the night before the test could be significant. According to several studies, alcohol consumption can increase the ratio between testosterone and epitestosterone, which occur naturally in the body. Mr. Landis failed the test because it showed an elevated ratio between the two

[Brownpants06]

Second test "positive" - synthetic testosterone

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2535787

[LeftWideOpen]

Second test "positive" - synthetic testosterone

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2535787

what a piece of shit. you cant trust anyone these days.

[Brownpants06]

so much for an american winning. but who actually cares about cycling? the doping story is far more interesting.

[justinevans]

Second test "positive" - synthetic testosterone

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2535787

still has to take his b test.

[Brownpants06]

still has to take his b test.


Landis has been suspended by his team, Phonak, pending the result of his "B" sample.

But the result showing synthetic testosterone does not need to be confirmed with a second test, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine.


"The rules say that it is a violation, but if you can show that the athlete had no fault or no significant fault, there could be a mitigation of the sanction," Wadler told the Times. "No matter how it got there, the athlete has to show how it got into his or her body. It could have been sabotage or contaminated dietary supplements or something else, but they have to prove how the testosterone got there."



:/

[justinevans]

the dude is a fucking Amish. I don't know man. He'll probably kill himself.

[Jesse2]

so much for an american winning. but who actually cares about cycling? the doping story is far more interesting.

yeah i wish we had an american who could win the tour

derrrrr

[preppyak]

the dude is a fucking Amish. I don't know man. He'll probably kill himself. nah...he'll just go back, take some more testosterone, and raise a barn or something...

I mean, I live near this guy (drove his cousin's tractor at work today), nobody really cares enough for it to matter here.

Oh...and I can't wait for Lance Armstrong to rip on him...you know he'll be interviewed within the next day and make ESPN

[Brownpants06]

yeah i wish we had an american who could win the tour

derrrrr


to continue with lance armstrongs wins


twat.

[fire on my lips]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/cycling/5233476.stm
the B sample is positive . . .

[justinevans]

oh well - he's a failure.

[fire on my lips]

It's totally stupidity. He knew he would be tested. I'm curious if his tests for stage 18 and 19 had high levels.
Either way he is a cheat. He'll be known as the man who ruined cycling. It's now going to enter a darker age.

[wesgemm08]

the dude is a fucking Amish. I don't know man. He'll probably kill himself.

he is mennonite, not amish... theres a pretty big difference between the two

[justinevans]

he is mennonite, not amish... theres a pretty big difference between the two

they're both anti-21st century

[preppyak]

he is mennonite, not amish... theres a pretty big difference between the two

True...but, in outward appearance, not so much.

Interestingly, the ESPN cycling analyst (apparently they have one of those too) said that he tested positive for testosterone seems odd, and he had 3 reasons...

1. Testosterone is apparently a really oudated doping form, 15-20 years even...so that he would use it over a modern form that might not even be able to be tested for is odd.

2. The test apparently is interpretive, and it relies on that ratio of forms of testosterone, so it's possible that he does naturally have an odd ration...who knows?

3. Apparently Floyd Landis had a clean reputation prior to this...as in even his teammates were completely clean as well

So, I expect to see this thing play out in full for the next set of appeals, and I doubt Floyd, if he did cheat, ever admits to it

Either way he is a cheat. He'll be known as the man who ruined cycling. It's now going to enter a darker age.
Haha, like 4 of the top riders weren't suspended prior to the Tour for cheating, like Cycling already wasn't the dirtiest sport out there.

Face it, cycling is a fucking joke in terms of doping, FLoyd just happens to be the first American Tour winner to be caught, and the combo of French hatred (thus all the test leaks), and the American Press jumping on it makes it seem much bigger.

Cycling was never big, it still isn't big, and it never will be big. The Tour is the only event that was ever even covered, and it's on OLN.

More importantly, I doubt it will ever be close to clean either. I mean, riding a bike is not neccesarily as hard as other sports, and it's probably one of the easiest sports to get into, so there will always be a larger pool of people to step up and be "the top". Sure, they may not be as talented, but then they'll dope and reach their peak, and then get caught and drop off. The ability for it to regenerate so easily is why doping is still a major issue for them, why it hasn't dropped off, and why it won't.

[fire on my lips]

True...but, in outward appearance, not so much.

Interestingly, the ESPN cycling analyst (apparently they have one of those too) said that he tested positive for testosterone seems odd, and he had 3 reasons...

1. Testosterone is apparently a really oudated doping form, 15-20 years even...so that he would use it over a modern form that might not even be able to be tested for is odd.

2. The test apparently is interpretive, and it relies on that ratio of forms of testosterone, so it's possible that he does naturally have an odd ration...who knows?

3. Apparently Floyd Landis had a clean reputation prior to this...as in even his teammates were completely clean as well

So, I expect to see this thing play out in full for the next set of appeals, and I doubt Floyd, if he did cheat, ever admits to it
Number 1 just makes no sense. There is no physical evidence that testosterone even would help a cyclist, although the NY Times had a quote from an east german cyclist that said that (paraphrase) "I felt like a different person when I took it." So it may not help you that much physically, but makes you feel better mentally. Regardless, there are much easier things to use that can beat the tests and have a better reaction.
Also odd about number one is that I'm pretty sure that testoterone stays in your blood for more than a day, so it should show up on his tests from the next day and the day after that. It's just odd that you haven't heard anything about those tests being positive.

For number 2, it would have shown up on other tests. the A sample was just judged if it was above a 2:1 ratio, but the B sample was judged against the cyclist's prior tests to see if he historically had a high testosterone rate. The records are kept for riders who have abnormally high ratios.

For number three, his current teammates were clean, but Phonak has a history of dopers. Tyler Hamilton (an american) was on Phonak until he tested positive for a steroid following his gold medal win at the Olympics. He was immediately fired from the team, as was Landis this morning.

Finally, the lab that the samples were tested at has a really bad reputation for false postitives and for leaking information.

EDIT: Landis was tested after Stage 18 and 19 because he was wearing the yellow jersey. The winner of the stage, the rider wearing the yellow jersey and a randomly picked rider all have to submit urine samples after the stage.

[preppyak]

For number 2, it would have shown up on other tests. the A sample was just judged if it was above a 2:1 ratio, but the B sample was judged against the cyclist's prior tests to see if he historically had a high testosterone rate. The records are kept for riders who have abnormally high ratios.
yeah...figured as much there