who is the greatest rapper of all-time?

[redeyes]

to answer the question of who, first we must answer why? what is the criteria for the crown?

-longevity (lots of people can put out one good album, to be the greatest you have to prove it's repeatable.

-battle-tested. battling is an undeniable element of hip-hop where respect is most measured.

-flow. presentation's important. this includes pacing as well as voice.

-lyrics. any idiot can make a rhyme, it's who can say the most with the least, as well as just being fuckin cool. also the complexities of the rhymes should be taken into account. rhyming university instead of car gets more points.

-beats. true the mc usually isn't the one making these, but he chooses what to spit over, and if your ear is wack, your mouth probably is too.

considering all things i gotta go with Jay-Z. 7 discs, not all classics, but enough classics released at different times to keep the entire career relevant. he tore up nas, it's mroe than just ether VS. takeover. don't forget about Blueprint 2(the song) and super ugly. flow is the most personal category, but you can't say Jay's sucks, it might not be the best, but you can't say it's bad. as for lyrics, listen to reasonable doubt, then the black album. two pretty different styles lyrically but both are better than 99% of the other humans. beats - just blaze and kanye, end of story.

jigga's the man, but i gotta say it was hard choosing between him and eminem.

[wiReZ]

dylon, dylon dylon dylon and dylon.


sorry, i couldnt resist. haha

[mikeford]

2pac.

[xglassjawx]

50 Cent!111

[a speedo model]

eminem, and yes i'm dead serious.

[Vincewithouthee]

2pac.
Yep.

[a speedo model]

50 Cent!111

haha, only not.

[she cant swim!]

dylon, dylon dylon dylon and dylon.


sorry, i couldnt resist. haha
ha ha

i spit hot fire

[Broken Parachute]

2pac

[Zeran]

2pac, nah. he was good but not the best. i don't know who the best is, but it's not 2pac.

[mikeford]

2pac, nah. he was good but not the best. i don't know who the best is, but it's not 2pac.

youre entitled to your opinion but in this case your opinion is wrong.

[Czarsy]

Ghostface Killah.

[Fullcollapse3k]

'Pac on lyrical content alone.

[invincibleXL]

marshall

[I am all talk]

2pac.
/thread

[corrupt_rocker]

50 Cent!111

I dont listen to rap at all now but i used to. but Tupac is the best or Nas. Rappers these days talk about the stupidest things. 50 cent wwhen he started...had the potential to be a great rapper but now hes just like every other rapper out there. Talking about the same thing. its repetitive and simply pointless. But the best rapper...out Tupac or Nas i'd say.

[Manbotisdead]

I'm quite a fan of the lyrics of Kweli and Common as well as Ghostface and Nas.

Battlewise Eminem (not a fan) and Jay-Z are amazing

[xglassjawx]

haha, only not.

:)

He's so completely obnoxious haha.

[Venona]

MTV2 did like a top 10 list of the greates MC's of all time it was

1. Jay Z
2. Tupac
3. Notorious B.I.G
4.Rakim
5.Nas
6.KRS-One
7.Big Daddy Kane
8.Ice Cube
9.Eminem
10.LL Cool J

Chuck D shouldve been on there

[Manbotisdead]

MTV2 did like a top 10 list of the greates MC's of all time it was

1. Jay Z
2. Tupac
3. Notorious B.I.G
4.Rakim
5.Nas
6.KRS-One
7.Big Daddy Kane
8.Ice Cube
9.Eminem
10.LL Cool J

Chuck D shouldve been on there

LL Cool J, Eminem, and Ice Cube are nothing outstanding (well Em can battle well, but thats it) the others I can partially understand.

[gilatron5000]

I honestly don't think you can have a "greatest rapper". It's all a matter of opinion.

[Robb]

MC Skat Kat.

[Ilovepoprock]

Nas

[BreakerBreaker]

2pac with Jay-Z in a close second.

[3milesdown]

nas. probably cuz he was the king of underground hippop shiz.

[redeyes]

2pac's flow wasn't that great though. he didn't throw around a lot of multi's. he didn't challenge himself to become the best. he was too busy really hating white people. you can't tell me that 2pac was better lyrically than alot of the guys that came after him. i'm surprised we haven't seen anyone say BIGGIE. he was damn good but didn't have longevity working for him. i know it's terrible but it's true.

jay-Z coulda crushed 2pac in a battle. and put out a better record that sold more. there's your greatest rapper. honorable mention to eminem. dude rhymed oranges, what the fuck?!

[TheDeekay]

Jay-Z, followed by 2Pac, Nas and Black Thought of The Roots.

[CROMagnon]

Jay-Z, followed by 2Pac, Nas and Black Thought of The Roots.
blackthought is one of the sickest cats i ever heard on a mic
solo, collabos and with the roots, dude can spit

[Freud]

2pac

[lilRIPsta]

Krayzie Bone from Bone Thugs. Raps ridiculously fast and i love his flow. And his lyrics (even tho they are all about smoking and killing) are put in a really cool way. And longevity is not an issue cuz the THUGS have been around for 15 years. My favorite mainstream rapper

Immortal Technique is my fave Hip-Hop MC. I love his flow and i think he has the best Lyrics around. Just listen to Dance With The Devil.

[mikeford]

yeah. you talked about immortal technique in a thread titled "greatest rapper of all time"...

:explode:

[Crocodile Logic]

Krayzie Bone from Bone Thugs. Raps ridiculously fast and i love his flow. And his lyrics (even tho they are all about smoking and killing) are put in a really cool way. And longevity is not an issue cuz the THUGS have been around for 15 years. My favorite mainstream rapper
i love BTNH, but if you read their lyrics, half of them make no sense at all.

[lilRIPsta]

yeah. you talked about immortal technique in a thread titled "greatest rapper of all time"...

:explode:




well he is my favorite rapper right now and i just thought id plug him

[a speedo model]

:)

He's so completely obnoxious haha.

i second that. :)

[lilRIPsta]

i love BTNH, but if you read their lyrics, half of them make no sense at all.


lol i think they make sense, but that just may be me being "down" with the lingo

[williek311]

Big L is the greatest rapper of all time, i wish he didnt get killed

also like Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Biggie, Chuck D

[FinchBulldog2]

2pac

[asianxcore]

jay motha fuckin z

[asianxcore]

but i must say. common is my fav rapper 4life

[boysdontcry17]

lil jon

[Bean]

Blaze Ya Dead Homie

Snoop Dogg (Snoop Dogg!)

[HplessRomntic]

big l!

[HplessRomntic]

i never understood why people label jay z as one of the greatest ever can someone help me on that one cause dudes just wack

[catchmealone]

With the exception of the MTV2 list, I'm extremely surprised that no one has mentioned KRS-One yet.
KRS-One has been so influential, extremely intelligent, great flow, great lyrics, he's got it all.

[lilRIPsta]

Big L is the greatest rapper of all time, i wish he didnt get killed

also like Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Biggie, Chuck D



if Big L didnt get killed, he'd be the greatest of all time. thanks for giving him some props

[Venona]

Chuck D
Ice Cube (NWA era)
Nas

but i think Tupac takes the cake
his lyrics are amazing

[HplessRomntic]

kinda sad to say but i totaly forgot about tupac.
i was reminded of him today next month will be
the 10 year anniversary of his death.

[turncoat93]

RAKIM, PUBLIC ENEMY and KRS ONE

[mikeford]

cuz public enemy is one person and everything.

[Manbotisdead]

cuz public enemy is one person and everything.

FLava Flav is the greatest emcee ever...ok not at all.

[HplessRomntic]

uh no! hes a good hype man thoguh

[catchmealone]

Ja Rule. Muhrduh Inc.! That jam with him and Ashanti

him or Nelly. anyone who can colab with Tim McGraw is ill in my book. show some respect errbody

[catchmealone]

and anyone who says Jay Z, check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8

[HplessRomntic]

ahahahah nelly? :x that colabo was the worse thing to ever hit music
he coulndt even grab the balls to battle krsone when krs was dissin on him

[catchmealone]

ahahahah nelly? :x that colabo was the worse thing to ever hit music
he coulndt even grab the balls to battle krsone when krs was dissin on him
eh, you missed the part where I actually gave my real answer, KRS One himself.

I suppose you didn't latch on to the thick(and I thought obvious) sarcasm in my post about Nelly and Ja Rule.

I mean, honestly, who lists Ja Rule as their favorite rapper?

[HplessRomntic]

you?

[catchmealone]

you?
and you make this assumption based on what grounds?

[Manbotisdead]

and you make this assumption based on what grounds?

They just read your one post probably.

[matt_rawlings]

Three G's

[kchubb]

This thread alone is the reason why ap shouldn't have a hip hop forum. We're on page 4 and NO ONE has said biggie? Seriously? The last great MC...

but all the greats differ in different ways... there is no greatest..

[catchmealone]

This thread alone is the reason why ap shouldn't have a hip hop forum. We're on page 4 and NO ONE has said biggie? Seriously? The last great MC...

but all the greats differ in different ways... there is no greatest..
Last great doesn't mean "greatest of all time"

and the statement was a litle much, there are alot of people who post here who know alot about music

[kchubb]

thats why i said there is no greatest... but he was the last great mc and no one on here has given him any credit so far... which is rediculous...

[Manbotisdead]

thats why i said there is no greatest... but he was the last great mc and no one on here has given him any credit so far... which is rediculous...


He crossed my mind, but I really don't enjoy his music that much, although lyrically the dude had some amazing skills.

[Dan CiTi]

dylon, dylon dylon dylon and dylon.


sorry, i couldnt resist. haha
I rip and I rhyme, I rhyme and I rip, this is the way the Dylon spits.

[Korematsu]

Lo Key

[emerica171]

and anyone who says Jay Z, check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8

Fuck Jay-Z

[catchmealone]

Fuck Jay-Z
yea, I've got a whole new outlook on Jay Z after seeing that

[lazzaralover!!]

All Rappers Suck!!

[catchmealone]

All Rappers Suck!!
you know, for your only interest being MUSIC!!!!, you sure do come off a bit closed minded

[Branevember31]

MTV2 did like a top 10 list of the greates MC's of all time it was

1. Jay Z
2. Tupac
3. Notorious B.I.G
4.Rakim
5.Nas
6.KRS-One
7.Big Daddy Kane
8.Ice Cube
9.Eminem
10.LL Cool J

Chuck D shouldve been on there


i saw one that was like...

1. Tupac
2. Notorious B.I.G.
3. Eminem
4. Nas
5. Jay-Z

i think tupac tho

[bradyreier]

i agree that it would be tupac.

[lazzaralover!!]

you know, for your only interest being MUSIC!!!!, you sure do come off a bit closed minded
well it doesn't say all music now does it

or WHATEVER

DID THAT *OFFEND* YOU?!

[invincibleXL]

Eminem, KRS-One, Nas, Ludacris

then again, I look for more than just lyrical ability

[mikeford]

ludacris?!

smh

[lfdfforever]

anyone in NWA

[Fullcollapse3k]

well it doesn't say all music now does it

or WHATEVER

DID THAT *OFFEND* YOU?!

"Music" indicates that you have a wide variety of taste and can appreciate a multitude of genres for what they do well.

Buying the new Taking Back Sunday album doesn't make you some grand fan of music.

[catchmealone]

"Music" indicates that you have a wide variety of taste and can appreciate a multitude of genres for what they do well.

Buying the new Taking Back Sunday album doesn't make you some grand fan of music.
thank you for explaining that to her. I've grown tired of her already

[HplessRomntic]

Originally Posted by catchmealone http://images.absolutepunk.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=4055931#post405593 1)
and anyone who says Jay Z, check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8




hahhahaha nice man real nice.
i was pissed when i heard the mtv2 top mc's
it was a big fuckin joke jayz shouldnt even be
the top 50. dudes a fake!

[ghostyouare]

Pac, KRS-ONE is pretty tight too. A personal favorite of mine is Blackthought.

[mikeford]

Originally Posted by catchmealone http://images.absolutepunk.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=4055931#post405593 1)
and anyone who says Jay Z, check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8




hahhahaha nice man real nice.
i was pissed when i heard the mtv2 top mc's
it was a big fuckin joke jayz shouldnt even be
the top 50. dudes a fake!

I SAY A BIG VERSE IM ONLY BIGGIN UP MY BROTHER


shu threfuck up.

[ghostyouare]

Originally Posted by catchmealone http://images.absolutepunk.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=4055931#post405593 1)
and anyone who says Jay Z, check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8




hahhahaha nice man real nice.
i was pissed when i heard the mtv2 top mc's
it was a big fuckin joke jayz shouldnt even be
the top 50. dudes a fake!
hahahahahahaha this is sad.

[ghostyouare]

anyone in NWA
Ice cube wrote nearly all the lyrics.

[lilRIPsta]

ok i have to change my vote. Atmosphere is amazing. Lucy Ford is perfect. and everything else by hiim is sick

[cahrishurr]

im fond of Slug in Atmosphere
and
Black Thought in The Roots

theres plenty of others too though

[Will Smith]

You're lookin' at him.

[catchmealone]

I agree with Big Will yes yes ya'll. Ha hah ha hah KC ya'll.
2:37!!!!!!! Best avatar ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!