Cassino - Kingprince

[Gregory Robson]

Cassino - Kingprince
Record Label: Self-released
Release Date: Jan. 25, 2010, physical; Dec. 9, 2009, digital.

The tandem of Nick Torres and Tyler Odom, better known as Cassino, threw everyone for a loop when they released their debut LP Sounds of Salvation. Who knew that this duo, who once performed in the much-loved emo band Northstar, could pull off folk and alt. country so effortlessly? Sounds of Savlation was in a word, spellbinding. Sonically sound, refreshingly candid and exquisitely performed it reinvigorated those Northstar fans that found the band's untimely demise so unsettling. So it is with baited breath and much anticipation that said loyal fans have awaited the release of Kingprince, the band's sophomore follow-up.

Pushing the folk and country edges a little further, Kingprince features an array of violin, mandolin, banjo, harmonica and organ, but those instruments are unfortunately the only parts of the album worth writing home about. Aside from the overtly poetic lyrics, Kingprince is one hot mess. Before the hate mail starts pouring in, let's think this out thoroughly.

Sonically the disc leaves a lot to be desired with Torres' vocals never pushing their limits until the disc's latter half and emotionally falling flat far too often. With Odom now out of the mix, much of the pressure seems to be on multi-instrumentalist Edward Puckett and that may be where the album stumbles. Take for example album opener "Djom." Aside from the inspired lines, "And if you're not whole I will stitch that shirt you're wearing/And it will cover holes and stitch the skin you're wearing now and then,” nothing about the track is remotely welcoming or inviting. There's also a 90-second harmonica intro that feels superfluous and odd. The title track/second cut is a mild step forward but once again seems to settle in the accomplishment of its mood and feel. Dark, dusky, agrarian.

All this is well and good, but there needs to be something with panache, something with resonance. Those traits don't come along until third track, "The Gin War," a wrought, selfless ode to the limits of control. Things ascend forward on the triumvirate of "The Ice Factory," "Maddie Bloom," and "Amelia," with the latter being most indelible. And then things begin to slouch again. "Cannonball," isn't entirely comfortable in its own skin, and "Debrickashaw," is a 90-second instrumental that most certainly could have been longer. As if cognizant of all the missteps and hiccups, Kingprince ends with a solid finish. The deep hook of "Ghost," paves the way for the disc's bare conclusion: the funereal "The Levee," and the muted "The River." That these three are the album's strongest songs leaves a lot to be desired. Why in God's name weren't they stacked towards the front? Why was there so much mediocrity before this rousing finish?

While it is probably not a popular opinion, Cassino could have done a lot more with Kingprince to make it flourish. Whether its allowing the instruments to shine or letting Torres' vocals take center stage, something about Kingprince needed to step forward. Writing a bare-bones folk record is not a tall order and Torres proved he can do so with the glimmering Sounds of Salvation. But Kingprince sounds more like a band that tried to be simple and earthy with little attention to anything else. Sure its light, simple and mute, but there are a host of better folk records out there that very sentiment in ways this disc never does. If lyrics alone can save an album, then Kingprince is a gem. Unfortunately, a disc needs far more than just words to make an impact.

1. Djom
2. Kingprince
3. The Gin War
4. The Ice Factory
5. Maddie Bloom
6. Amelia
7. Cannonball
8. Debrickashaw
9. Boomerang
10. Ghost
11. The Levee
12. The River

Avett Brothers, William Elliott Whitmore, Josiah Early, Justin Townes Earle

Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/cassinoband)

[xapplexpiex]

Hmm...I love Northstar, but I just can't get into this band. But I will admit, the lyrics are great. Torres is a great writer. Not my cup of tea I guess. Great review btw.

[aolsux]

76% you have to be joking, AVA got a 77%

wrong, just plain wrong.

[Keagan Ilvonen]

76% you have to be joking, AVA got a 77%

wrong, just plain wrong.
Different reviewers, different opinions.

[muttley]

Love this album.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

"witty lines, "And if you're not whole I will stitch that shirt you're wearing/And it will cover holes and stitch the skin you're wearing now and then,” nothing about the track is remotely welcoming or inviting. There's also a 90-second organ intro that feels superfluous and odd."


How is that line at ALL funny or witty? Clever and poetic, yes. Funny? Nope. Also, the 90-second "organ intro" is a Harmonica. Bad review.

[aolsux]

Different reviewers, different opinions.
fine: Wakey! Wakey! - Almost Everything I Wish I'd Said the Last Time I Saw You got an 88%

wrong, just plain wrong

I don't usually have problems with reviews because they are peoples opinion - and people are entitled to those or have a red name so they feel they have that authority. Regarding Djom, "nothing about the track is remotely welcoming or inviting." Please, that song pulls you in like none other. "While it is probably not a popular opinion, Cassino could have done a lot more with Kingprince to make it flourish." You said one thing I can agree with.

[*Ro']

Surprised.

[MADSTA]

Deserves much higher than a 76% imo.

[Gregory Robson]

"witty lines, "And if you're not whole I will stitch that shirt you're wearing/And it will cover holes and stitch the skin you're wearing now and then,” nothing about the track is remotely welcoming or inviting. There's also a 90-second organ intro that feels superfluous and odd."


How is that line at ALL funny or witty? Clever and poetic, yes. Funny? Nope. Also, the 90-second "organ intro" is a Harmonica. Bad review.
Clever/witty. Whatever. Get over it. Btw, fixed the harmonica part. Thanks for having a better ear.

[SwedishHeat]

It's too bad Nick wanted to go in this direction. Northstar was probably my favorite band amongst the stuff I was listening to so many years ago. This alt country stuff, I just don't understand. Same with the new Butch Walker CD.

I'm just not into the whole indie/alt-singer/songwriter "let's use all sorts of instruments people don't usually hear into our music" stuff.

Oh well, some people know what they like and want to hear it again and again, and some people want to do new things. I've been living in the same town for 27 years and don't feel like moving. I don't like change.

[Gregory Robson]

It's too bad Nick wanted to go in this direction. Northstar was probably my favorite band amongst the stuff I was listening to so many years ago. This alt country stuff, I just don't understand. Same with the new Butch Walker CD.

I'm just not into the whole indie/alt-singer/songwriter "let's use all sorts of instruments people don't usually hear into our music" stuff.

Oh well, some people know what they like and want to hear it again and again, and some people want to do new things. I've been living in the same town for 27 years and don't feel like moving. I don't like change.
I dont fault the direction. Sounds of Salvation was incredible. This just falls short.

[reveriecowboy]

Fair review. I love both albums, though I am also more partial to the former rather than latter. However, Cannonball is no misstep. Great lyrics, great jam. "And I have worked my body so thin."

[Sic Transit Zeb]

interesting review. I do get bored after 4-5 songs in a row so I can't argue with the score, really.

[evvandflow]

This review is long overdue. and now thats its finally here...a huge swing and a miss.

[Steve Henderson]

Wow, I could not disagree more. Sounds of Salvation was indeed amazing, but Kingprince in on a whole new level. Lyrical brilliance is unparalleled (as expected), but after listening to this record, the thing that strikes me so much is just how comfortable Nick has become with this style of music.

SoS was a maturing punk trying to make a folk record. KP is him growing into the role and life of a folk troubadour.

Respect your opinion, but haven't disagreed with you this much since you joined staff.

[evvandflow]

Wow, I could not disagree more. Sounds of Salvation was indeed amazing, but Kingprince in on a whole new level. Lyrical brilliance is unparalleled (as expected), but after listening to this record, the thing that strikes me so much is just how comfortable Nick has become with this style of music.

SoS was a maturing punk trying to make a folk record. KP is him growing into the role and life of a folk troubadour.

Respect your opinion, but haven't disagreed with you this much since you joined staff.
you need to review this one man

[Co and Ca]

this album owns.

[InvisibleImage]

This review is long overdue. and now thats its finally here...a huge swing and a miss.
Wow, I could not disagree more. Sounds of Salvation was indeed amazing, but Kingprince in on a whole new level. Lyrical brilliance is unparalleled (as expected), but after listening to this record, the thing that strikes me so much is just how comfortable Nick has become with this style of music.

SoS was a maturing punk trying to make a folk record. KP is him growing into the role and life of a folk troubadour.

Respect your opinion, but haven't disagreed with you this much since you joined staff.
this and this.

For as long as it took for a review for this album, you would think the reviewers would have a better concept of it. Totally wrong about the first track, the HARMONICA track was created from Ed messing around on the harmonica and they added some reverb and it brings in the whole album creatively well. It starts the whole mood of the ALBUM, which is what this album is. SoS was very good, but it didn't have the same ALBUM concept as Kingprince. I think the outlook of the tracks in this review are way off. I don't understand how you can say Cannonball "isn't entirely comfortable in its own skin." It's one of the more powerful songs on the album, but what song isn't on this album? "Kingprince sounds more like a band that tried to be simple and earthy with little attention to anything else. Sure its light, simple and mute, but there are a host of better folk records out there that very sentiment in ways this disc never does. If lyrics alone can save an album, then Kingprince is a gem. Unfortunately, a disc needs far more than just words to make an impact." I don't agree with anything in this whole statement. I just think this reviewer totally missed the idea of this album, and it's concept...and the fact that Cassino has found their sound. This deserves at least an 85-90%. A 76% is a joke.

[The Summer Ends]

Echoing the sentiments of many others

This album is fantastic, much much better than the 76% here. I loved Northstar, but Cassino is much better musically and lyrically.

[Burn That Shit]

i disagree hard about the opener, my favorite track on the album.

edit: i still agree with this though:

Sure its light, simple and mute, but there are a host of better folk records out there that very sentiment in ways this disc never does.

[Gregory Robson]

Wow, I could not disagree more. Sounds of Salvation was indeed amazing, but Kingprince in on a whole new level. Lyrical brilliance is unparalleled (as expected), but after listening to this record, the thing that strikes me so much is just how comfortable Nick has become with this style of music.

SoS was a maturing punk trying to make a folk record. KP is him growing into the role and life of a folk troubadour.

Respect your opinion, but haven't disagreed with you this much since you joined staff.
No worries mate. I know you loved it, so I was awaiting your response for quite awhile. I'll say this Steve, I listen to an abundance of folk/country/bluegrass records in a given month, as that is the one genre I am most comfortable with, and this doesn't go anywhere near any of them. To me it sounds poorly produced and very low-budget. He also sounds very uneasy in a few places, so I respectfully disagree with him sounding comfortable. To me, Sounds of Salvation managed to sound well-worn and polished and this to me feels like a step backward. Clearly we disagree there, but so it goes. In the end, we'll agree to disagree, but it just doesn't grab me at all. It's been all I've listened to since my surgery, and I've tried to find ways to love it and I just can't.

[E. Clectic]

I think you should save face and let someone else review this album.

Turr-ible.

[Lovely?]

76% you have to be joking, AVA got a 77%

wrong, just plain wrong.
tell me about it... honestly this is a patient album for those who wait and album you definitely have to listen on your own to appreciate the lyrics and the accompanying guitar, some of you don't understand

[StartAngry&Mad]

everybody chilllll and put down your pitchforks...when it comes to folk, it's all about the listener being engaged on a personal level, because the surface of the music will rarely be enough to grab a listener by the collar. The album fell flat for Gregory, but clearly it touched you guys, stop taking it so personally that he doesn't enjoy it the way you do.

[Gregory Robson]

everybody chilllll and put down your pitchforks...when it comes to folk, it's all about the listener being engaged on a personal level, because the surface of the music will rarely be enough to grab a listener by the collar. The album fell flat for Gregory, but clearly it touched you guys, stop taking it so personally that he doesn't enjoy it the way you do.
Thanks mate. I owe you a drink.

[anamericangod]

Djom is one of the best opening tracks. Ever.

[bankrom]

Wow, I could not disagree more. Sounds of Salvation was indeed amazing, but Kingprince in on a whole new level. Lyrical brilliance is unparalleled (as expected), but after listening to this record, the thing that strikes me so much is just how comfortable Nick has become with this style of music.

SoS was a maturing punk trying to make a folk record. KP is him growing into the role and life of a folk troubadour.

Respect your opinion, but haven't disagreed with you this much since you joined staff.
man, i was just about to write "wait til steve gets in here..."

[InvisibleImage]

everybody chilllll and put down your pitchforks...when it comes to folk, it's all about the listener being engaged on a personal level, because the surface of the music will rarely be enough to grab a listener by the collar. The album fell flat for Gregory, but clearly it touched you guys, stop taking it so personally that he doesn't enjoy it the way you do.
then why have someone who isnt feeling a folk album, review it?

[loveisdead]

Wow, I could not disagree more. Sounds of Salvation was indeed amazing, but Kingprince in on a whole new level. Lyrical brilliance is unparalleled (as expected), but after listening to this record, the thing that strikes me so much is just how comfortable Nick has become with this style of music.

SoS was a maturing punk trying to make a folk record. KP is him growing into the role and life of a folk troubadour.

Respect your opinion, but haven't disagreed with you this much since you joined staff.
Gotta side with Steve on this. I absolutely love this record.

[minusblindfold]

Wow, I could not disagree more. Sounds of Salvation was indeed amazing, but Kingprince in on a whole new level. Lyrical brilliance is unparalleled (as expected), but after listening to this record, the thing that strikes me so much is just how comfortable Nick has become with this style of music.

SoS was a maturing punk trying to make a folk record. KP is him growing into the role and life of a folk troubadour.

Respect your opinion, but haven't disagreed with you this much since you joined staff.
Wow... I don't react to reviews often but this one is way too far from my opinion.
Saying that "Djom" and "Kingprince" are weak tracks is just plain wrong! They're two of the most beautiful tracks I've heard this year.

[Alex1410]

coincidently, I just got this album today. Hasn't had much of an impact after 1 listen but its enjoyable. Need to listen to it more anyway.

[StartAngry&Mad]

then why have someone who isnt feeling a folk album, review it?
should it always be the staff member that loves an album most, be the one who reviews it? if they're knowledgable about the band and genre, I say go for it! It's unfortunate for the fans of the album that he didn't like this, but it happens

[brenByah]

Ha ha, some of you are taking this review personally.

[InvisibleImage]

should it always be the staff member that loves an album most, be the one who reviews it? if they're knowledgable about the band and genre, I say go for it! It's unfortunate for the fans of the album that he didn't like this, but it happens
"when it comes to folk, it's all about the listener being engaged on a personal level, because the surface of the music will rarely be enough to grab a listener by the collar."

nope, but after you said this before, someone that at least seems like they enjoyed the album should review it. you said that yourself...this review is way off.

[InvisibleImage]

Ha ha, some of you are taking this review personally.
probably because this band doesn't get any love on this site...yet they deserve a lot, this review is nearly 4 months after the album came out, and it still does not grasp the album well.

[adamKS]

while i do agree with some of your points in the review, i think the album deserves higher than a 76%. my rating would be between a 85-90. while i agree there are some weak spots on the album (including the redone songs from their debut) i believe this album is a growth and slightly superior to "sounds of salvation". personally, i love cassino (as i did northstar as well) and both of their albums but i seems to want to spin "kingprince" more often than "salvation".

i feel "kingprince" is slightly more emotional and soulful in certain aspects and i disagree with the album being bottom heavy. i thought it was a bad idea for the band to redo those songs and include them, i would rather have 3 new songs. however, "djom", "maddie bloom", "ghost", and "the river" are my standout tracks. especially djom, which hits me hard emotionally for some reason (maybe its just the ghostly harmonicas). while i love both of their albums, i personally thought this album was a step in the right direction for the band and while i admit its not perfect, its definitely a sincere album full of heart and soul.

[Chris92]

everybody chilllll and put down your pitchforks...when it comes to folk, it's all about the listener being engaged on a personal level, because the surface of the music will rarely be enough to grab a listener by the collar. The album fell flat for Gregory, but clearly it touched you guys, stop taking it so personally that he doesn't enjoy it the way you do.
hehe...

[adamKS]

Wow, I could not disagree more. Sounds of Salvation was indeed amazing, but Kingprince in on a whole new level. Lyrical brilliance is unparalleled (as expected), but after listening to this record, the thing that strikes me so much is just how comfortable Nick has become with this style of music.

SoS was a maturing punk trying to make a folk record. KP is him growing into the role and life of a folk troubadour.

Respect your opinion, but haven't disagreed with you this much since you joined staff.


my thoughts exactly. SOS was nick transitioning from the pop/punk/emo sound of northstar to a folk/country singer songwriter. "kingprince" is nick embracing his talent and destined musical direction and doing it so comfortably and naturally this time around. if there is another cassino album (fingers crossed) i believe it will be a nicks masterpiece. this guy deserves success and i hope he gets it.

[brenByah]

probably because this band doesn't get any love on this site...yet they deserve a lot, this review is nearly 4 months after the album came out, and it still does not grasp the album well.
Among users and staffers Cassino has received a fair amount of love on this site, and because they don't cover the front page everyday doesn't change that. This review is just one man's opinion, but people act like he's offended them. He didn't even trash the record, he gave it a pretty decent score. Besides, if you disagree so strongly you always have the option of writing your own review.

[Steve Henderson]

No worries mate. I know you loved it, so I was awaiting your response for quite awhile. I'll say this Steve, I listen to an abundance of folk/country/bluegrass records in a given month, as that is the one genre I am most comfortable with, and this doesn't go anywhere near any of them. To me it sounds poorly produced and very low-budget. He also sounds very uneasy in a few places, so I respectfully disagree with him sounding comfortable. To me, Sounds of Salvation managed to sound well-worn and polished and this to me feels like a step backward. Clearly we disagree there, but so it goes. In the end, we'll agree to disagree, but it just doesn't grab me at all. It's been all I've listened to since my surgery, and I've tried to find ways to love it and I just can't.
Well it probably sounds poorly produced and low budget because it was recorded in a bedroom. No studio, all self-financed. I think I remember in the ap.net chat where Ed or Nick talked about how they had to edit out the sound of a loud truck going by when they were recording "Djom"

[loveisdead]

Well it probably sounds poorly produced and low budget because it was recorded in a bedroom. No studio, all self-financed. I think I remember in the ap.net chat where Ed or Nick talked about how they had to edit out the sound of a loud truck going by when they were recording "Djom"
That makes me love it even more.

[Matt Chylak]

This review is long overdue. and now thats its finally here...a huge swing and a miss.
FUCKING THIS.

[Matt Chylak]

probably because this band doesn't get any love on this site...yet they deserve a lot, this review is nearly 4 months after the album came out, and it still does not grasp the album well.
and this.

[Keagan Ilvonen]

"when it comes to folk, it's all about the listener being engaged on a personal level, because the surface of the music will rarely be enough to grab a listener by the collar."

nope, but after you said this before, someone that at least seems like they enjoyed the album should review it. you said that yourself...this review is way off.

But he did enjoy the album? I don't see how 76% is a bad rating. I may have put it slightly higher but it feels like the same album again. Don't get me wrong, I love Cassino and Nick but to get all bent out of shape over a review is ridiculous. Plus a review can't be off, it's an opinion, which is the same as your statement.

probably because this band doesn't get any love on this site...yet they deserve a lot, this review is nearly 4 months after the album came out, and it still does not grasp the album well.

The band doesn't get love? For one: they are a folk band, which as a genre doesn't have a huge following on this site. Two: Tons of bands deserve a lot, it's the music industry, it's a tough world. Three: Going from a band like Northstar to Cassino can be very alienating to a fan base given that the music is drastically different. Four: If you don't think he has a good grasp on the album, write your own review and do it justice!

I'm not trying to be an asshole, but someone had to say something.

[owiseone35]

I think this a pretty good cd. The thing is though that Greg listens to a lot of this folk/alternative whatever you want to label it as and has a stricter standard when it comes to his forte of music. I see how people like this, but I also see how many people that immerse themselves in tons of folk music just don't like it.

[evvandflow]

this band gets no love on this site. and it blows.

[vandalroyale]

Djom is one of the best opening tracks. Ever.

100% Agreed

[introduction]

I think it deserves higher, but I can see where you're coming from.

[emkvetwin]

I'm so sick of seeing this same debate in every review that doesn't give the album a 90%... and when the review DOES give an album a 90%, you get the debate in reverse. Guaranteed, the next album that receives a high score, someone will ask why that got such a high score when Cassino got a 76%.

I have not heard this album. At some point I will probably check it out. The fact that Gregory Robson thinks this album is OK will be nothing more than a thought in the back of my head when I listen. The fact that people who disagreed with his opinion took to this thread and bashed the review mercilessly ALSO will be nothing more than a thought in the back of my head when I listen.

If you disagree, you can say that you disagree and explain why. But for the sake of the rest of us, don't say the review sucks (unless it's poorly written and/or doesn't describe the album, which is not the case here), and for God's sake don't compare it to some other score by some other reviewer at some other time for some other album.

[evvandflow]

I'm so sick of seeing this same debate in every review that doesn't give the album a 90%... and when the review DOES give an album a 90%, you get the debate in reverse. Guaranteed, the next album that receives a high score, someone will ask why that got such a high score when Cassino got a 76%.

I have not heard this album. At some point I will probably check it out. The fact that Gregory Robson thinks this album is OK will be nothing more than a thought in the back of my head when I listen. The fact that people who disagreed with his opinion took to this thread and bashed the review mercilessly ALSO will be nothing more than a thought in the back of my head when I listen.

If you disagree, you can say that you disagree and explain why. But for the sake of the rest of us, don't say the review sucks (unless it's poorly written and/or doesn't describe the album, which is not the case here), and for God's sake don't compare it to some other score by some other reviewer at some other time for some other album.

you just discredited your entire post with one sentence. good job buddy.

[owiseone35]

you just discredited your entire post with one sentence. good job buddy.
I hate these arguments but to sum up that long post, don't feel personally attacked just because he doesn't find it as enjoyable as you do. Dangerous Summer got a 95% and I thought it was good but not that good, you don't see me complaining about it though. I get the point emkvetkin is saying and the thing you bolded had nothing to do with a majority of his post.

[evvandflow]

theres no reason to attack this album because he hates how people react to all albums. and the fact that these posts will be in the back of his head when he does? gimme a break dude.

[emkvetwin]

theres no reason to attack this album because he hates how people react to all albums. and the fact that these posts will be in the back of his head when he does? gimme a break dude.
I said absolutely nothing about the quality of the album. I didn't criticize anyone who didn't like the album; I criticized the people who somehow think it was an awful review and an unfair review simply because the reviewer didn't like the album. And show me where I said I "hate how people react to all albums"... I simply hate how people overreact to reviews so often on this site. Huge difference.

And I'd be lying if I said I would listen to this album without thinking about the review; what I meant (and what apparently went over your head) was that it won't influence my overall opinion of the album.

[emkvetwin]

the thing you bolded had nothing to do with a majority of his post.

I think this sums up the rest of my thoughts nicely.

[cereal4life]

"witty lines, "And if you're not whole I will stitch that shirt you're wearing/And it will cover holes and stitch the skin you're wearing now and then,” nothing about the track is remotely welcoming or inviting. There's also a 90-second organ intro that feels superfluous and odd."


How is that line at ALL funny or witty? Clever and poetic, yes. Funny? Nope. Also, the 90-second "organ intro" is a Harmonica. Bad review.
Harmonicas can be called "mouth organs".

[Gregory Robson]

Well it probably sounds poorly produced and low budget because it was recorded in a bedroom. No studio, all self-financed. I think I remember in the ap.net chat where Ed or Nick talked about how they had to edit out the sound of a loud truck going by when they were recording "Djom"
That's awesome!

[Gloryneverfades]

I definitely need to check this out

[Kurt Retenauer]

Clever/witty. Whatever. Get over it. Btw, fixed the harmonica part. Thanks for having a better ear.
You might be my favorite reviewer on the site. I like your writing style. I also like Drew's comical style, so he's up there too. Drew's the one that usually starts off with a story, right?

[Gregory Robson]

You might be my favorite reviewer on the site. I like your writing style. I also like Drew's comical style, so he's up there too. Drew's the one that usually starts off with a story, right?
That would be Blake.

[Kurt Retenauer]

That would be Blake.
Meh, I've got 3 reviewers I like then, because I know I like Drew's as well. But, you've got a way with words in terms of how you describe the album, so I enjoy reading yours.

[Gregory Robson]

Meh, I've got 3 reviewers I like then, because I know I like Drew's as well. But, you've got a way with words in terms of how you describe the album, so I enjoy reading yours.
Thank you sir.

[TCat71]

WOWZA. I expected a much higher score.

[Matt Chylak]

this review spurred me to finally write my own. just submitted.

[evvandflow]

this review spurred me to finally write my own. just submitted.
look forward to readin it

[suppyguppy]

No disrespect but this review is so so wrong. Kingprince is hands down the best collection of twelve songs I've heard in the last six months. I've turned several of my friends on to this band, most of whom don't even enjoy folkish type music. Perhaps you haven't given the album an appropriate amount of listens, or maybe it just isn't your thing. Either way this is an album everyone should check out.

[suppyguppy]

Djom is one of the best opening tracks. Ever.

yep. "we're filling up with embers and this water taste like timber, but I try not to think about it now and then". That might be one of my favorite lines from a song. Ever.

[Gregory Robson]

yep. "we're filling up with embers and this water taste like timber, but I try not to think about it now and then". That might be one of my favorite lines from a song. Ever.
I don't disagree there. That's an incredible set of lines.

[Portugal4142]

Good review.. This CD certainly isn't God's gift to music, but it's very good. My major complaint is it isn't diverse enough. Many of the songs share the same tempo, vocal pitch, etc.

[Gregory Robson]

Good review.. This CD certainly isn't God's gift to music, but it's very good. My major complaint is it isn't diverse enough. Many of the songs share the same tempo, vocal pitch, etc.
Thank God you said that. One of my complaints, I just didn't know how to elucidate it.

[InvisibleImage]

Thank God you said that. One of my complaints, I just didn't know how to elucidate it.
ok, in all honestly, how many folk records have you listened to that are actually, truly, diverse? this is a different album from the rest...its a perfect backwoods, campfire type of album. Nick did not try to write this album to fit in any labeled genre, he wrote what he wanted to write. In all seriousness, this album was recorded in their apartment, proving the fact that Nick does not write music to make money nor to fit into the mainstream (like 98% of the bands on this site, that end up getting reviews above 85%), he writes music that comes from his soul and his passion for music...you can hear it in every one of his songs, and through his vocals that some do not like for some reason. I personally love how this album flows so nicely, and how some of the songs actually do sound the same. Listen to it a few times and you'll get over it.

[Portugal4142]

ok, in all honestly, how many folk records have you listened to that are actually, truly, diverse? this is a different album from the rest...its a perfect backwoods, campfire type of album. Nick did not try to write this album to fit in any labeled genre, he wrote what he wanted to write. In all seriousness, this album was recorded in their apartment, proving the fact that Nick does not write music to make money nor to fit into the mainstream (like 98% of the bands on this site, that end up getting reviews above 85%), he writes music that comes from his soul and his passion for music...you can hear it in every one of his songs, and through his vocals that some do not like for some reason. I personally love how this album flows so nicely, and how some of the songs actually do sound the same. Listen to it a few times and you'll get over it.

The fact that it was recorded in their apartment is commendable, it really is. But I think the fact that the recording is less than perfect because of that only reinforces the fact that the CD should be more diverse in its sound. What folk CD is truly diverse? Sounds of Salvation. It was up-tempo at times, and slower at others. Each song stood out, felt more natural, and didn't seem to dddrrraaaaaagggggggg at points. I am in no way slamming this CD, I think it's a great release. It's not mainstream and it's written brilliantly. But I cannot for the life of me figure out how people think this CD is better than sounds of salvation.. some stand out tracks... but as a whole? No way...

[InvisibleImage]

The fact that it was recorded in their apartment is commendable, it really is. But I think the fact that the recording is less than perfect because of that only reinforces the fact that the CD should be more diverse in its sound. What folk CD is truly diverse? Sounds of Salvation. It was up-tempo at times, and slower at others. Each song stood out, felt more natural, and didn't seem to dddrrraaaaaagggggggg at points. I am in no way slamming this CD, I think it's a great release. It's not mainstream and it's written brilliantly. But I cannot for the life of me figure out how people think this CD is better than sounds of salvation.. some stand out tracks... but as a whole? No way...
I agree that SoS is an amazing album, I'm not even sure that I like Kingprince better yet...but I feel that Kingprince fits the actual "album" concept better than SoS. And by the way, most "folk" albums are known for their simplicity, yet powerful songs...so I'm not quite sure why people are looking for such diversity throughout this record. And I wouldn't really call SoS a folk album, like people have said in here already, it was more of Nick and Tyler breaking away from Northstar and writing an album that started to steer in this direction, it had different sounds to it, not just folk like most of this album is. For me personally, I don't think this album drags at all, I can listen to this over and over again straight through. Whether it be the lyrics or just the smooth guitar parts that Nick and Ed play, along with Nick's warming vocals..and the background instruments that they use fit brilliantly imo. No, this album does not break boundaries at all, but I think that's why most people like it so much. It is quite a simple album when it's rhythms are broken down, but it's the way Cassino does it with such ease that soothes most people.

Also, I think it's the fact that fans realize that in no way do these guys have a lot of money. I know that Nick works in a warehouse for a living, and their albums are both self-released and they don't even have enough money to tour outside of mostly Tennessee...which is why this band needs some publicity. These are just 2 normal dudes like the rest of us, that write and play music for something that is missed nowadays...the actual music. This is one band I would love to see here in New York, I think they would turn a lot of people's heads.

[Matt Chylak]

Thank God you said that. One of my complaints, I just didn't know how to elucidate it.
i agree with you on the lack of track diversity, but for the most part i think that only contributes to the shifting textures of the album. however, i will say that the rerecordings feel out of place in the "kingprince" context, 'ice factory' in particular sounds bland compared to SoS.

[Bobby Tucker]

Really enjoyed reading this sort of perspective, even if I'm not in the same camp as you.

I was one of those people who thought Sounds of Salvation was just OK, and that it sounded like a slightly stripped down version of Northstar. Perhaps it was the fact that I wanted to imagine Nick still writing Northstar songs, or that songs like "The Gin War" seem too rock n' roll for a folk album. Either way, I adored the first four tracks, which seemed to sonically explore the same territory as "Two Zero Two" without overstating their folk influences, and kind of brushed off the rest of the album.

With Kingprince, I feel like he's still pushing the sonic textures from the first four songs on SoS, which is why it feels so genuine to me. I couldn't agree more about the lack of diversity; tempo changes and a varied take on song structure would have been greatly appreciated, although for me that critique seems directed at songs like "Amelia" rather than the title track. The instrumentation is particularly striking, not because it's unique, but because it's used uniquely. The first two minutes of "Djom" almost become an Irish ballad, as the harmonicas begin to channel bagpipes before giving way to the acoustic guitar we expect from Cassino. And again, in the title track, the harmonicas find a place somewhere between a supplementary vocal line and a string part, providing melodies seemingly reserved to those instruments rather than the twangy slide-chords that drive most harmonica parts in contemporary music. Perhaps the background instrumentation and composition is not spectacular, but the melodies and unique employment of guitars, strings, and harmonicas made the songs really stick for me. Then again, we seem to be on opposite ends of the spectrum here, since I preferred the title track and "Cannonball" to most of the other tracks, and love how "Debrickashaw" feels like an instrumental extension of the previous track.

So, I humbly agree to disagree with you, since you find the agrarian sounds Nick was aiming for to be the album's biggest weakness, and I, hoping to finally hear songs that reminded me of "Two Zero Two," found them to be its biggest strength. He never overworks the tracks, and manages to make some wonderfully melodic choruses despite the constraints of the recording process.

But you're review is certainly well-written, and bravely presents a somewhat unpopular opinion (just given the Nick Torres love on this website), which is more than commendable. Congratulations.

[InvisibleImage]

http://www.antimusic.com/news/10/feb/17Singled_Out-_Cassino.shtml

This is from Nick himself:

"Kingprince" is the nickname of a friend, and the song was a bit of a struggle to write. The words and music came easy, but when you deal with something this heavy, the thought of what others will think weighs on you, especially when these are people you see on a regular basis. This was the second song that was inspired by the death of someone I knew, and the first time I had no idea what my thoughts would stir up. The first time around I planned on using his name in the title of a song, but the family got wind of it and it became a big deal. Here I was in my crappy little bedroom, writing music for an album that would be on the shelves of Best Buy, writing things that deeply affected his family, people who I hardly even knew. I just thought it would make a good song, not even taking into account the circumstances of his death. I guess Music can be a powerful thing sometimes (after all it IS the language of the soul). I felt like an asshole for not talking to his family first. Honesty is the most important part of music, but I still don't know if there is a line that should not be crossed…

The song "Kingprince" is inspired by a friend who took his own life, and I say "inspired" because I don't really ever write about a certain, particular circumstance (names, dates, times etc.). I guess it's just more about the experience. I write mostly from the 1st person perspective, regardless if it is something that happened to me or someone else. Luckily I also write mostly in metaphors, so in the end it all ends up being pretty universal. I don't know why it's always a metaphor, that's just how it's always been. Anyways…He was always a great friend, a wonderful person, funny, and troubled. Before he passed, he had a couple run-ins with the law, and then was living in his car in Alabama…he tended to disappear off and on towards the end. I hope he knows his friends and family miss him, and I'm sure he's out skating on the rings of Saturn, and exploring all the dimensions we can't see. I was supposed to play at the funeral, but I got mixed up and they ended up just playing a Cassino song on the overheads…I felt really bad….So I hope he can forgive me for that. I think we would have dug this song….

Side note- the Harmonica track and the electric guitars were the "demo" very first takes…after about a couple of days of writing parts, we went back and listened, and nothing even came close.

[suppyguppy]

Really enjoyed reading this sort of perspective, even if I'm not in the same camp as you.

I was one of those people who thought Sounds of Salvation was just OK, and that it sounded like a slightly stripped down version of Northstar. Perhaps it was the fact that I wanted to imagine Nick still writing Northstar songs, or that songs like "The Gin War" seem too rock n' roll for a folk album. Either way, I adored the first four tracks, which seemed to sonically explore the same territory as "Two Zero Two" without overstating their folk influences, and kind of brushed off the rest of the album.

With Kingprince, I feel like he's still pushing the sonic textures from the first four songs on SoS, which is why it feels so genuine to me. I couldn't agree more about the lack of diversity; tempo changes and a varied take on song structure would have been greatly appreciated, although for me that critique seems directed at songs like "Amelia" rather than the title track. The instrumentation is particularly striking, not because it's unique, but because it's used uniquely. The first two minutes of "Djom" almost become an Irish ballad, as the harmonicas begin to channel bagpipes before giving way to the acoustic guitar we expect from Cassino. And again, in the title track, the harmonicas find a place somewhere between a supplementary vocal line and a string part, providing melodies seemingly reserved to those instruments rather than the twangy slide-chords that drive most harmonica parts in contemporary music. Perhaps the background instrumentation and composition is not spectacular, but the melodies and unique employment of guitars, strings, and harmonicas made the songs really stick for me. Then again, we seem to be on opposite ends of the spectrum here, since I preferred the title track and "Cannonball" to most of the other tracks, and love how "Debrickashaw" feels like an instrumental extension of the previous track.

So, I humbly agree to disagree with you, since you find the agrarian sounds Nick was aiming for to be the album's biggest weakness, and I, hoping to finally hear songs that reminded me of "Two Zero Two," found them to be its biggest strength. He never overworks the tracks, and manages to make some wonderfully melodic choruses despite the constraints of the recording process.

But you're review is certainly well-written, and bravely presents a somewhat unpopular opinion (just given the Nick Torres love on this website), which is more than commendable. Congratulations.

Well said.

[Big_Guy]

I'd give it a 95%. yeah, it's that good

[fifpb99]

I think I'm the only one who agrees with you Greg! 70's / 80's is about right for a score. There are a few stand out tracks (i constantly go back to Gin War) but the album as a whole didnt really grab me as much as i thought it would. good review.

[tawtaw]

I think I might even like this more than Sounds.

Ghost is my favorite track at the moment.

[Gregory Robson]

I think I might even like this more than Sounds.

Ghost is my favorite track at the moment.
My favorite as well.

[ShoulderWhl]

well written review, but I couldn't disagree more. this album exceeded my expectations to be honest. it took a couple listens to grab hold, but when it did, it held on hard.

[ShoulderWhl]

I think I might even like this more than Sounds.

Ghost is my favorite track at the moment.
completely agree.

[Kbm600]

I want to get into this artist, someone recommend me a CD to start out with?

[evvandflow]

I want to get into this artist, someone recommend me a CD to start out with?
sounds of salvation. or kingprince.

[lifeishell]

I don't care about an albums role in perspective to all other albums in a genre. It's not some race to a finish line. I found this album to be an improvement over their past releases. Each album gets better. The songs sound flourished and fleshed out. They explore themselves. The pacing is fantastic. They've got a slower tunes like The Gin War & Maddie Bloom then they have up tempo tracks like Amelia. They've shed their skin from Northstar. Thank god too because that band sounds incredibly dated and bad.

[evvandflow]

I don't care about an albums role in perspective to all other albums in a genre. It's not some race to a finish line. I found this album to be an improvement over their past releases. Each album gets better. The songs sound flourished and fleshed out. They explore themselves. The pacing is fantastic. They've got a slower tunes like The Gin War & Maddie Bloom then they have up tempo tracks like Amelia. They've shed their skin from Northstar. Thank god too because that band sounds incredibly dated and bad.
agreed with you 100% until the last sentence.

[StartAngry&Mad]

"when it comes to folk, it's all about the listener being engaged on a personal level, because the surface of the music will rarely be enough to grab a listener by the collar."

nope, but after you said this before, someone that at least seems like they enjoyed the album should review it. you said that yourself...this review is way off.
Sorry this is long overdue, I didn't realize it'd been quoted...anyways, I'd hardly say that Greg "didn't enjoy the album", ya, he didn't love it like so many of you do, but I think its fair to say he knows the genre, he presented an objective analysis of the album as he saw it, gave his reasons why he was slightly disappointed by it after his appreciation of SoS, it's not as if he bent it over like a From First to Last album (is what I would've said 2 months ago before the surprising Throne to the Wolves review)

and as for them not getting any love on the site, I think the outpouring of support from both members and other staff for Kingprince demonstrates thats not true

[Gregory Robson]

Sorry this is long overdue, I didn't realize it'd been quoted...anyways, I'd hardly say that Greg "didn't enjoy the album", ya, he didn't love it like so many of you do, but I think its fair to say he knows the genre, he presented an objective analysis of the album as he saw it, gave his reasons why he was slightly disappointed by it after his appreciation of SoS, it's not as if he bent it over like a From First to Last album (is what I would've said 2 months ago before the surprising Throne to the Wolves review)

and as for them not getting any love on the site, I think the outpouring of support from both members and other staff for Kingprince demonstrates thats not true
You should post more often. One of the more lucid and well thought-out posts I've read in awhile.

[StartAngry&Mad]

You should post more often. One of the more lucid and well thought-out posts I've read in awhile.
Will do. I just prefer to debate/argue in person, I often find it hard to get a point across online when everyone's throwing biased monkey shit at eachother in 100 words or less trying to prove they love or hate a band the most.

P.s. even as a Zags fan I was stoked to see how well the Gaels played last weekend

[Gregory Robson]

Will do. I just prefer to debate/argue in person, I often find it hard to get a point across online when everyone's throwing biased monkey shit at eachother in 100 words or less trying to prove they love or hate a band the most.

P.s. even as a Zags fan I was stoked to see how well the Gaels played last weekend
I just hope they can keep the magic. Baylor is a formidable foe. We'll see what goes down.

[ddddangles]

I liked Northstar and I love Cassino. Anyone who badmouths Cassino is just upset about their transition from Northstar. Things change, get over it. Awful review.

[speakhandsforme]

76% is acceptable considering how inferior it is to SOS. Good album but not nearly as good as it could be.

[evvandflow]

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