NOFX vs. Underoath

[Audition101]

whoa it seems as if a rivalry is starting between the 2 of these bands... has anyone been to the NOFX myspace recently the fans are all fighting... i was jsut wondering who everybody else likes more?

[summer skin]

There's no way this is true...but NOFX is terrible...

[Branevember31]

i heard it was true...i dont like NOFX at all, so definitely underoath

[summer skin]

They idea of the guys of Underoath having a rivalery with anyone is laughable...Some of the most humble guys in the scene.

[boysdontcry17]

hahahhaahahahha

underoath is wayyyyyy overated.

[SockMonkeyRiot]

Underoath is a terrible, terrible band.

[born to expire]

Fat Mike ripped the shit out of everyone in those videos. Underoath, From First To Last, and all those other bands fucking blow. Stop listening to them.

[woah its angela]

I heard this was true.
but, i don't like NOFX at all.

[FourdyOz]

underoath is shitty. i love me some nofx

[Mr_V1tr1oL]

i definitely don't like NOFX

[headclub]

i hate underoaths new and old music...TOCS is their only good cd. but i like them as people WAAAY more then NOFX. nofx are the biggest asses out there. they suck.

[BILLY AGE 8]

hahaha, yeah at warped tour, NOFX made a joke about underoath, i dont think there really is a rivalry, but i did hear that underoath dropped all of their warped tour dates, but if you have to ask me,

Underoath sucks

NOFX is good

[FinchBulldog2]

NOFX are a bunch of washed up jerks looking to get noticed again by making fun of a band that is kicking ass right now and gaining fans left and right.

NOFX are more influential, but Underoath are more talented. Plus, Underoath still have time to make their mark as an influential band.

So because Underoath are completely innocent in this fight, I'll take their side.

[ticklemyfancy]

NOFX are a bunch of washed up jerks looking to get noticed again by making fun of a band that is kicking ass right now and gaining fans left and right.

NOFX are more influential, but Underoath are more talented. Plus, Underoath still have time to make their mark as an influential band.

So because Underoath are completely innocent in this fight, I'll take their side.
agreed 100%

[Ilovepoprock]

I like underoaths music better, and I like them as people better. But then again I am a christian so perhaps i'm biased. All I know is that my favorite moment at warped tour is when underoath said "We would like to take this opportunity to thank jesus christ, without him none of this is possible". Then they launched into young and aspiring and i pooped my pants, too much hardcore dancing though.

[x togepi x]

I still think this fight is completely manufactured and both underoath and nofx are in on it.

i mean, if fat mike's anti-christian, then why would he sign mxpx?

I think a lot of "christian bands" aren't really christian, and fat mike is commenting on that, but picking underoath to use at the scapegoat since they're the biggest, and underoath, also knowing that most christian bands aren't christian, are okay with it.

I mean, look at this quote from the Fat Mike attends warped bible study article (http://www.aversion.com/news/news_article.cfm?news_id=6800):

"Everyone was telling stories about how it?s hard to be a good Christian on tour with all the booze and girls and gambling and shellfish around. Then they read some passages and I kinda lost interest, but later on all the good stuff came out. I was talking to a couple of guys from bands after the study, and get this: they were all virgins!!! How bout that? Twenty five- and 26-year-old dudes that are in bands and are virgins. I found this very odd. Then I pried into more details. I asked them what they actually had done with girls. You know, first base, second base, that kinda stuff. Turns out these guys had gotten plenty of blow jobs, performed cunnilingus, and good heavens, they had even had a few trips up the Hershey highway. Apparently, as long as the cherry remains un-popped ?til marriage, anything goes in the Christian world. My question: Is being a good Christian really that bad??"

He even says that the problem isn't faith, but fundamentalism. Underoath isn't particularly a fundamentalist band...they even get shit from fundamentalists. Thus, I think they're in on the joke and it's all to show how judging people because of a specific label is stupid.

I mean seriously, do you know how many times I've been told i'm a bad person by people who don't really know me, but know I'm not christian? tons of times.

Does that mean all christians are this judgemental? hell no. I wouldn't even say a majority are that way, but there are still a lot of judgemental fundamentalists, and I think Fat Mike is commenting on that. Only he's doing it using irony which I guess is way above your average warped tour fan's head. of course, most people who think warped is punk probably haven't passed their high school senior english class yet.

[boysdontcry17]

NOFX are a bunch of washed up jerks looking to get noticed again by making fun of a band that is kicking ass right now and gaining fans left and right.

NOFX are more influential, but Underoath are more talented. Plus, Underoath still have time to make their mark as an influential band.

So because Underoath are completely innocent in this fight, I'll take their side.

im with nofx. theres a reason why the've been around for so long.

[Dan CiTi]

I still think this fight is completely manufactured and both underoath and nofx are in on it.

i mean, if fat mike's anti-christian, then why would he sign mxpx?

I think a lot of "christian bands" aren't really christian, and fat mike is commenting on that, but picking underoath to use at the scapegoat since they're the biggest, and underoath, also knowing that most christian bands aren't christian, are okay with it.

I mean, look at this quote from the Fat Mike attends warped bible study article (http://www.aversion.com/news/news_article.cfm?news_id=6800):

"Everyone was telling stories about how it?s hard to be a good Christian on tour with all the booze and girls and gambling and shellfish around. Then they read some passages and I kinda lost interest, but later on all the good stuff came out. I was talking to a couple of guys from bands after the study, and get this: they were all virgins!!! How bout that? Twenty five- and 26-year-old dudes that are in bands and are virgins. I found this very odd. Then I pried into more details. I asked them what they actually had done with girls. You know, first base, second base, that kinda stuff. Turns out these guys had gotten plenty of blow jobs, performed cunnilingus, and good heavens, they had even had a few trips up the Hershey highway. Apparently, as long as the cherry remains un-popped ?til marriage, anything goes in the Christian world. My question: Is being a good Christian really that bad??"

He even says that the problem isn't faith, but fundamentalism. Underoath isn't particularly a fundamentalist band...they even get shit from fundamentalists. Thus, I think they're in on the joke and it's all to show how judging people because of a specific label is stupid.

I mean seriously, do you know how many times I've been told i'm a bad person by people who don't really know me, but know I'm not christian? tons of times.

Does that mean all christians are this judgemental? hell no. I wouldn't even say a majority are that way, but there are still a lot of judgemental fundamentalists, and I think Fat Mike is commenting on that. Only he's doing it using irony which I guess is way above your average warped tour fan's head. of course, most people who think warped is punk probably haven't passed their high school senior english class yet. The bolded part is hilarious, overall I agree. Did anyone see the FUSE thing with the Warped bible study? good stuff.

[boysdontcry17]

people *hating* nofx is the same a 15 year old girls claiming the *love* fall out boy
also, there alot of trend whores out there who listen to underoath.

[boysdontcry17]

overall, i think the nofx vs underoath thing is fuckin stupid.

[x togepi x]

The bolded part is hilarious, overall I agree. Did anyone see the FUSE thing with the Warped bible study? good stuff.

yeah. i was really pissed about what fat mike said the first time i heard it too, but then I did some research and claim to my conclusion.

i've long felt that many christian bands aren't christian, they just say they are to get fans. I mean, there was this local christian band that steals guitar/bass liens from other bands and uses them, but since they were the first band around my hometown to record an album, they got away with it.

of course, remembering the warped set I saw nofx do kind of helped, since all they did was make fun of random things and played like 2 maybe 3 songs.

[Carlo Marx]

but Underoath are more talented.

I'm just going to ignore the most untrue statement ever made.

[Carlo Marx]

NoFX has been making music for something like 20 years (probably longer). Do you think anyone will remember or care about underoath in 10 years? No, because they play a style of music that is trendy today, but will die out in a few years' time.

[Broken Parachute]

NoFX has been making music for something like 20 years (probably longer). Do you think anyone will remember or care about underoath in 10 years? No, because they play a style of music that is trendy today, but will die out in a few years' time.
You mean like nobody cares or gives a shit about NOFX today?

[Carlo Marx]

You mean like nobody cares or gives a shit about NOFX today?

well, let's see here. NoFX is still playing the warped tour, they still sell albums, fat mike runs one of the most successful punk labels in the world, and they still tour to sold out crowds, all during a time when punk isn't anywhere close to it's former popularity. So that's not entirely true, people obviously still give a shit about nofx. Not to mention the fact that they basically invented the california skate punk sound.

Underoath, on the other hand, are hardly pioneers of the metalcore genre. The only reason they've gotten as popular as they have is because metalcore is huge right now. Remember how awesome flock of seagulls was back in the 1980's, when their genre was popular. Now look at where they are.

[FinchBulldog2]

people *hating* nofx is the same a 15 year old girls claiming the *love* fall out boy
also, there alot of trend whores out there who listen to underoath.
That was a moronic statement. So to listen to Underoath I have to be a trend whore? And as for NOFX, I just don't like Fat Mike's behavior. I can't stand his voice and most of his opinions. I think he's a jerk and I don't like his band's mediocre "punk" music.

[mht]

being in a christian band is the pussiest thing ever, those jesus lovers still get everything but sex, and they are fine with it. they are not good role models like some parents think for their children and religious beliefs.

[x togepi x]

That was a moronic statement. So to listen to Underoath I have to be a trend whore? And as for NOFX, I just don't like Fat Mike's behavior. I can't stand his voice and most of his opinions. I think he's a jerk and I don't like his band's mediocre "punk" music.

your name is has finch in it. yes you're a trendwhore.

especially since you're defending underoath and putting punk in quotes when you talk about NOFX.

he's making the claim that the people who are ranting about the evils of nofx tend to be making stupid arguments like NOFX is no longer relavent, even though they run fat wreck...and talk about how underoath is way better, even though they haven't been around that long. Stupid statements such as these tend to be from trendwhores.

He wasn't saying if you like underoath, you're a trendwhore. He's saying that it's trendy to hate nofx right now.

[x togepi x]

Remember how awesome flock of seagulls was back in the 1980's, when their genre was popular. Now look at where they are.

pioneers in awesome hair cuts?

[woah its angela]

NOFX are a bunch of washed up jerks looking to get noticed again by making fun of a band that is kicking ass right now and gaining fans left and right.

NOFX are more influential, but Underoath are more talented. Plus, Underoath still have time to make their mark as an influential band.

So because Underoath are completely innocent in this fight, I'll take their side.

I agree with you.
That was very well put.

[mht]

underoath is a bunch of talentless skinny pricks.

[x togepi x]

but i'm skinny....

[mht]

but i'm skinny....


the banner in my sig says enough about what i think of this garbage band

[UndertheTELE]

I've never really seen anything to hate about underoath, i mean i could understand not liking their music, but they seem like stand up fellows.

[Carlo Marx]

pioneers in awesome hair cuts?

the underoath guys are sportin some pretty rockin 'dos now.

[x togepi x]

so what you're saying is that they're the natural successors to flock of sea gulls?

[spencersmithrox]

i think it was cuz at warped nofx was makein fun of underoath because they belive in god. sorry if this was already said. but underoath didnt seem mad about it.

[enalsisiht]

i like underoaths music and the actual band better

[boysdontcry17]

NoFX has been making music for something like 20 years (probably longer). Do you think anyone will remember or care about underoath in 10 years? No, because they play a style of music that is trendy today, but will die out in a few years' time.

yep, like i said before. there is a reason why nofx is still around. i'll the decline over anything underoath has to offer

[boysdontcry17]

I've never really seen anything to hate about underoath, i mean i could understand not liking their music, but they seem like stand up fellows..

exactly

[fcknazisympathy]

underoath is a bunch of talentless skinny pricks.

yes

[BILLY AGE 8]

NOFX are a bunch of washed up jerks looking to get noticed again by making fun of a band that is kicking ass right now and gaining fans left and right.

NOFX are more influential, but Underoath are more talented. Plus, Underoath still have time to make their mark as an influential band.

So because Underoath are completely innocent in this fight, I'll take their side.

alright, for one, NOFX doesnt NEED to make fun of other bands to get noticed, THEY ARE NOTICED and have been for quite some time. I may not be a big fan, But i do like what i hear

As for Underoath gaining fans left and right. That may be true. But most of the screaming 14 year old girls will forget about them in a few years, when the trend changes.

Underoath may be talented, (not afraid to say that music i hate can have talent), but its kind of hard to do a cross genre examination of talent. I wouldnt say they are more talented than NOFX. Only because i think they sound just like most of all the popular stuff today.

I wouldnt say Underoath is completely innocent. IF there IS anything going on between these two bands, its only because They cant take a little harmless joke or two. They need to deal with it, they are popular, so they are bound to get crap thrown at them. And NOFX just happened to be the band who didnt care what people thought about them if they said anything.

All i got left to say is that I dont like underoath.

[FinchBulldog2]

alright, for one, NOFX doesnt NEED to make fun of other bands to get noticed, THEY ARE NOTICED and have been for quite some time. I may not be a big fan, But i do like what i hear

As for Underoath gaining fans left and right. That may be true. But most of the screaming 14 year old girls will forget about them in a few years, when the trend changes.

Underoath may be talented, (not afraid to say that music i hate can have talent), but its kind of hard to do a cross genre examination of talent. I wouldnt say they are more talented than NOFX. Only because i think they sound just like most of all the popular stuff today.

I wouldnt say Underoath is completely innocent. IF there IS anything going on between these two bands, its only because They cant take a little harmless joke or two. They need to deal with it, they are popular, so they are bound to get crap thrown at them. And NOFX just happened to be the band who didnt care what people thought about them if they said anything.

All i got left to say is that I dont like underoath.
Thanks for that opinion, Billy. The last 2 paragraphs make you out to be a moron but I respect your opinions on the first few even though I disagree.

[FinchBulldog2]

your name is has finch in it. yes you're a trendwhore.

especially since you're defending underoath and putting punk in quotes when you talk about NOFX.

he's making the claim that the people who are ranting about the evils of nofx tend to be making stupid arguments like NOFX is no longer relavent, even though they run fat wreck...and talk about how underoath is way better, even though they haven't been around that long. Stupid statements such as these tend to be from trendwhores.

He wasn't saying if you like underoath, you're a trendwhore. He's saying that it's trendy to hate nofx right now.
A) You don't know me, so you have no idea whether I'm a trendwhore or not.

B) I was going to call you a trendwhore based on that carefully handpicked music list in your profile straight out of "Bands To Say You Like (How To Be An Elitist) Vol 1," but I feel that is ignorant. So what I'm saying is, how about we both stop being ignorant you twat.

ps Omar Rodriguez-Lopez's solo shit is utter garbage and you're lying to yourself if you like it. Yes, he is a talented guitarist, but it's not a solid side project and most of the songs sound like shit.

[mht]

lol trendwhores


hehe.

[summer skin]

lol people who give a shit what other people think

[x togepi x]

A) You don't know me, so you have no idea whether I'm a trendwhore or not.
I have a pretty good idea, since you 1) are using finch in your name. That's something that's really trendy to do on the internets, using a band name plus a random thing plus a number to create a screen name and 2) are jumping on the chance to bash nofx, which is really trendy right now for the reasons I just talked about, while ignoring my entire post where i talked about how I think he's being ironic.

that's pretty much the definition of a trend whore: ignoring all the facts and jumping on a bandwagon.


B) I was going to call you a trendwhore based on that carefully handpicked music list in your profile straight out of "Bands To Say You Like (How To Be An Elitist) Vol 1," but I feel that is ignorant. So what I'm saying is, how about we both stop being ignorant you twat.
Hilarious! So tell me how exactly the following bands are elitist: weezer, franz ferdinand, head automatica, public enemy, richard cheese, vendetta red, rage against the machine, rise against, the postal service, horse: the band, fall of troy, coheed and cambria, glassjaw and thursday. because, generally when these bands get talked about by elitists, they get trashed. if I "carefully handpicked" my band list, you wouldn't have heard of any of the bands because they'd be local/regional acts nobody here knows and other equally obscure emo stuff that nobody but me would like.


You're just pissed off because you can't really answer a damn thing I say.

but it's awesome that you called me an "ignorant twat". You're the one being ignorant. Willfully so even. Not only did you assume I'm an elitist because I'm not performing oral fellatio on Underoath and called you trendy, you're also ignoring a very valid alternate theory behind Fat Mike's actions to justify yelling at him just like the majority of the users on this board are doing.

Congrats! you're a free thinker!

ps Omar Rodriguez-Lopez's solo shit is utter garbage and you're lying to yourself if you like it. Yes, he is a talented guitarist, but it's not a solid side project and most of the songs sound like shit.
ps. Finch blows.

by the way, when i was talking about omar being one of my favorites, I wasn't just talking about his solo work. He's been in more than just ATDI/Mars Volta/De Facto. But hey, you've probably never heard his second solo album which is basically TMV playing jazz, so I'm sure you'd say it was really shitty.

nevermind, you probably have heard it. I mean, surely you wouldn't be ignorant.

[FinchBulldog2]

I have a pretty good idea, since you 1) are using finch in your name. That's something that's really trendy to do on the internets, using a band name plus a random thing plus a number to create a screen name and 2) are jumping on the chance to bash nofx, which is really trendy right now for the reasons I just talked about, while ignoring my entire post where i talked about how I think he's being ironic.

that's pretty much the definition of a trend whore: ignoring all the facts and jumping on a bandwagon.



Hilarious! So tell me how exactly the following bands are elitist: weezer, franz ferdinand, head automatica, public enemy, richard cheese, vendetta red, rage against the machine, rise against, the postal service, horse: the band, fall of troy, coheed and cambria, glassjaw and thursday. because, generally when these bands get talked about by elitists, they get trashed. if I "carefully handpicked" my band list, you wouldn't have heard of any of the bands because they'd be local/regional acts nobody here knows and other equally obscure emo stuff that nobody but me would like.


You're just pissed off because you can't really answer a damn thing I say.

but it's awesome that you called me an "ignorant twat". You're the one being ignorant. Willfully so even. Not only did you assume I'm an elitist because I'm not performing oral fellatio on Underoath and called you trendy, you're also ignoring a very valid alternate theory behind Fat Mike's actions to justify yelling at him just like the majority of the users on this board are doing.

Congrats! you're a free thinker!


ps. Finch blows.

by the way, when i was talking about omar being one of my favorites, I wasn't just talking about his solo work. He's been in more than just ATDI/Mars Volta/De Facto. But hey, you've probably never heard his second solo album which is basically TMV playing jazz, so I'm sure you'd say it was really shitty.

nevermind, you probably have heard it. I mean, surely you wouldn't be ignorant.
I'm sad that you took the time to write all that, but I'm not going to take the time to read it. Get a life.

[x togepi x]

I'm sad that you took the time to write all that, but I'm not going to take the time to read it. Get a life.

oh man, the classic "get a life burn"...too bad I'm on my way out to a party, which makes you even more full of shit.

do you want to call my mom a whore?

or have you realized that I like starting shit with people who take themselves too seriously on the internets? people like you.

meh, i'm giving you way too much credit...you're probably going to call me gay next since homophobia is all that's left in your sweet internet troll arsenal.

[AntiSlade2.1]

Can we rename this thread "The Finch Bulldog is a complete piece of shit who gets owned ridiculously (Togepi is the best) thread".

[level4loser]

I'm just going to ignore the most untrue statement ever made.

that offended the fuck outta me too.

there are so few bassists out there now that could even come close to playing like fat mike. plus, for the context of the music he plays, he just might be the best.

have you ever listened to the decline? you know goddamn well those god loving, ear gauged, neck tattooed scene police dipshits couldnt write an 18 minute song about anything but the bandanas that fall off the 17 year olds they anally penetrate.

[FinchBulldog2]

oh man, the classic "get a life burn"...too bad I'm on my way out to a party, which makes you even more full of shit.
hahahahaha cooooooooooooooool.

[Ilovepoprock]

this thread has gotten out of hand and rediculously personal.

[mht]

I'm sad that you took the time to write all that, but I'm not going to take the time to read it. Get a life.


says the kid with 10k posts with 12 posts per day to the kid with 800 posts and about 8 posts per day....


see what im getting at here...lol

[summer skin]

this thread has gotten out of hand and rediculously personal.
That's because it's about the most vital bands in music...

[FinchBulldog2]

says the kid with 10k posts with 12 posts per day to the kid with 800 posts and about 8 posts per day....


see what im getting at here...lol
Yeah i was hoping that wouldnt get noticed haha.

[Ilovepoprock]

That's because it's about the most vital bands in music...

i disagree.

[FinchBulldog2]

i disagree.
he was being sarcastic.

[ImEversoInvited]

Nofx has no chance at beating UnderOath
Underoath wins unanamously...

[Ilovepoprock]

eh, anyways. I think togepi is a elitist. But i also think he knows what he is talking about and brought a very good point about fat mikes motives.

I think Togepi may have been right about Fat Mikes motives, i still think it was a very obnoxious and offensive thing to say in an interview. He may be adressing tose christian bands that don't act like it but it still paints a picture of christianity which is false and disgusting.

I don't think underoath fits that profile and if they did i'd be very upset about it. But i can see why they would be offended despite fat mikes motives, especially if he uses them as example.

[Carlo Marx]

Nofx has no chance at beating UnderOath
Underoath wins unanamously...

maybe instead of posting you should go look up the definition of unanimously.

[Carlo Marx]

that offended the fuck outta me too.

there are so few bassists out there now that could even come close to playing like fat mike. plus, for the context of the music he plays, he just might be the best.

have you ever listened to the decline? you know goddamn well those god loving, ear gauged, neck tattooed scene police dipshits couldnt write an 18 minute song about anything but the bandanas that fall off the 17 year olds they anally penetrate.

The man plays the bass like he invented the goddamn thing. And any guitar solo off of Pump Up The Valuum is light years ahead of anything underoath has written.

[x togepi x]

hahahahaha cooooooooooooooool.
haha. I wasn't saying that to impress you, I was just bringing up the point of how stupid it is to tell someone to get a life, when you can't think of anything else to say. I know I'll never be cool in the eyes of you, FinchBulldog, but I guess that's just something i'll have to live with. maybe i can get on your ignore list. I'll wear it like a badge of honor.

or you could just admit that you jumped to conclusions. I'm really not trying to be that big of a dick about it.



says the kid with 10k posts with 12 posts per day to the kid with 800 posts and about 8 posts per day....


see what im getting at here...lol
yeah I didn't want to point out that he had more posts than me...

but in his defense, most of my 8 posts per day have generally been about pokemon more so than music. and I did mock underoath in a lot of them, even though I like they're only chasing safety.

Can we rename this thread "The Finch Bulldog is a complete piece of shit who gets owned ridiculously (Togepi is the best) thread".

haha. thanks. someone hook this up. threadstarter? mods? Jason Tate, Jesus?

I just hate it I make a really good point and then someone ignores it completely to say the same thing everyone else did like FinchBulldog did. Obviously, he's not the first, or only person that does that, but it's still annoying. I did like how he tried calling me out.

I might be a n00b here, but I make trolling the internets look damn good.

or we could seriously get back on topic and realize that there are deeper motives to nofx than most people think. Nobody really answered my questions in that post.

eh, anyways. I think togepi is a elitist. But i also think he knows what he is talking about and brought a very good point about fat mikes motives.

I think Togepi may have been right about Fat Mikes motives, i still think it was a very obnoxious and offensive thing to say in an interview. He may be adressing tose christian bands that don't act like it but it still paints a picture of christianity which is false and disgusting.

I don't think underoath fits that profile and if they did i'd be very upset about it. But i can see why they would be offended despite fat mikes motives, especially if he uses them as example.
how exactly am I elitist? you claim this everytime you argue with me (pretty much) but never show it. Hell, I even sent you Mars Volta on AIM once. A true elitist wouldn't deal with you because they'd deem you beneath them. I don't understand how I can defend Fall Out Boy and still be considered elitist, but whatever, that's neither here nor there.

I think you kind of miss the point with NOFX's criticism. Yeah, I realize you picked up on the underlying motives, but if you're really offended, shouldn't you be criticizing the 'christian bands' and not NOFX.

I mean, what's worse for the religion... some dude that critcizes it or people who claim to follow it, and actually don't, but spread the message anyway. Those "Christian bands" make Christians look like hypocrites. That's infinitely worse than anything some old punk guy said.

[Carlo Marx]

I really hope togepi stays around here. We don't get very many good new people.

[mht]

I really hope togepi stays around here. We don't get very many good new people.


thanks meanie :(

[Ilovepoprock]

how exactly am I elitist? you claim this everytime you argue with me (pretty much) but never show it. Hell, I even sent you Mars Volta on AIM once. A true elitist wouldn't deal with you because they'd deem you beneath them. I don't understand how I can defend Fall Out Boy and still be considered elitist, but whatever, that's neither here nor there.

I call you elitist because you don't show tolerance for people with differing opinions. You dismiss people as stupid and insult them personally when they don't know as much as you, or you think they don't. That is why your an elitist[/quote]

I think you kind of miss the point with NOFX's criticism. Yeah, I realize you picked up on the underlying motives, but if you're really offended, shouldn't you be criticizing the 'christian bands' and not NOFX.

I mean, what's worse for the religion... some dude that critcizes it or people who claim to follow it, and actually don't, but spread the message anyway. Those "Christian bands" make Christians look like hypocrites. That's infinitely worse than anything some old punk guy said.

I agree, it makes me sick to my stomache that, that kind of thing gos on with self-proclaimed 'christian' bands. And it is much worse. But what i was adressing was the particular issue, NOFX in a fued with UnderOath, so what i was sayign is i can see how UnderOath would be pissed to hear Fat Mike say that, especially if they were used as an example. You may notice I am not anti-NOFX, I don't hate fat mike. i think it's wrong for him to say things like that in interviews, and i think it's even worse that he has soemthing to talk about.

[Carlo Marx]

thanks meanie :(

AND mht. he's a cutie.

[mht]

AND mht. he's a cutie.


yay! hahahha

[level4loser]

elitism is not how you refer to someone who prefers nofx to underoath. the way kids listen to music today makes you feel that way. when i was younger, they pretty much handed you the album punk in drublic and told you to go from there. nowadays this "underground" music is aimed at younger kids so you have middle schoolers walking around in bandanas with girls jeans on and anybody who grew up in a different era is "elitist" i suppose.

[niveK]

Sorry folks, as much as I do like controversy, there really isn't any to report on this subject. Underoath have left the Warped Tour, and as much as people want to give me credit for that, the truth is they just really needed a break apparently. Some people have suggested that they bailed because I made too much fun of them (I kinda did). Problem with that theory is that I have made fun of plenty of bands on this tour i.e. Against Me, the Blackhearts, Anti-Flag, Sherwood, The Acadamy Is, Thursday, Less Than Jake, Rise Against, etc. I have also taken plenty of jabs at Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Muslims.

I feel I am an equal opportunist when it comes to getting laughs from an easy target. One thing I really try not to do is make fun of bands that I'm not friends with. That's why two days into the tour, I introduced myself to the Underoath guys and we have been friendly ever since. Of course we have some differences. They tend to not believe in evolution, dinosaurs, reproductive rights, premarital sex, or gay marriage. Some of them don't even like looking at porn (that's just crazy). The point is, at some point I sat down with most of them and had quite a few discussions about a lot of these issues.

Every talk we had was civil and respectful and no matter how wrong I think a few of those guys are, there were never any hard feelings between us. They're actually really nice dudes. Maybe on their summer break they could spend some time reading some other books, instead of just the one." - Fat Mike

[mht]

Sorry folks, as much as I do like controversy, there really isn't any to report on this subject. Underoath have left the Warped Tour, and as much as people want to give me credit for that, the truth is they just really needed a break apparently. Some people have suggested that they bailed because I made too much fun of them (I kinda did). Problem with that theory is that I have made fun of plenty of bands on this tour i.e. Against Me, the Blackhearts, Anti-Flag, Sherwood, The Acadamy Is, Thursday, Less Than Jake, Rise Against, etc. I have also taken plenty of jabs at Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Muslims.

I feel I am an equal opportunist when it comes to getting laughs from an easy target. One thing I really try not to do is make fun of bands that I'm not friends with. That's why two days into the tour, I introduced myself to the Underoath guys and we have been friendly ever since. Of course we have some differences. They tend to not believe in evolution, dinosaurs, reproductive rights, premarital sex, or gay marriage. Some of them don't even like looking at porn (that's just crazy). The point is, at some point I sat down with most of them and had quite a few discussions about a lot of these issues.

Every talk we had was civil and respectful and no matter how wrong I think a few of those guys are, there were never any hard feelings between us. They're actually really nice dudes. Maybe on their summer break they could spend some time reading some other books, instead of just the one." - Fat Mike






fat mike also points out that one of those convos with those jesus lovers, underoath, they talked about how they still love blowjobs and anal from hot chicks and wont pass it up on tour, and anything goes as long as it isnt sex. so underoath is pretty shitty with their beliefs if they do stuff like that, one reason i hate them.

[Darren McLeod]

Sorry folks, as much as I do like controversy, there really isn't any to report on this subject. Underoath have left the Warped Tour, and as much as people want to give me credit for that, the truth is they just really needed a break apparently. Some people have suggested that they bailed because I made too much fun of them (I kinda did). Problem with that theory is that I have made fun of plenty of bands on this tour i.e. Against Me, the Blackhearts, Anti-Flag, Sherwood, The Acadamy Is, Thursday, Less Than Jake, Rise Against, etc. I have also taken plenty of jabs at Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Muslims.

I feel I am an equal opportunist when it comes to getting laughs from an easy target. One thing I really try not to do is make fun of bands that I'm not friends with. That's why two days into the tour, I introduced myself to the Underoath guys and we have been friendly ever since. Of course we have some differences. They tend to not believe in evolution, dinosaurs, reproductive rights, premarital sex, or gay marriage. Some of them don't even like looking at porn (that's just crazy). The point is, at some point I sat down with most of them and had quite a few discussions about a lot of these issues.

Every talk we had was civil and respectful and no matter how wrong I think a few of those guys are, there were never any hard feelings between us. They're actually really nice dudes. Maybe on their summer break they could spend some time reading some other books, instead of just the one." - Fat Mike
i thought this was actually pretty hilarious.

[x togepi x]

I call you elitist because you don't show tolerance for people with differing opinions. You dismiss people as stupid and insult them personally when they don't know as much as you, or you think they don't. That is why your an elitist

I only call people stupid when they're being geniunely stupid. Go hang out in the emo forum, and you'll see I have tolerance for differing opinions. A majority of users over there seem to hate Billy from Hot Cross/Saetia while I think Hot Cross and Saetia are awesome bands.

I only hate on people who's opinions aren't very well founded. Just becuase you have a right to your opinion doesn't mean it's equally valid as everyone else's. You have to be able to justify in some way and be able to defend that justification against criticism before it's legit in my eyes.


I agree, it makes me sick to my stomache that, that kind of thing gos on with self-proclaimed 'christian' bands. And it is much worse. But what i was adressing was the particular issue, NOFX in a fued with UnderOath, so what i was sayign is i can see how UnderOath would be pissed to hear Fat Mike say that, especially if they were used as an example. You may notice I am not anti-NOFX, I don't hate fat mike. i think it's wrong for him to say things like that in interviews, and i think it's even worse that he has soemthing to talk about.
what i'm saying is...i wrote that at 5am sitting in a unversity computer lab because the internet at my house stopped working when I was out, so I pretty much agree with you.

It's my belief that Underoath was okay with the disses since they're friends with NOFX and that he had a point in doing it. I don't really think you're disagreeing with that though.

elitism is not how you refer to someone who prefers nofx to underoath. the way kids listen to music today makes you feel that way. when i was younger, they pretty much handed you the album punk in drublic and told you to go from there. nowadays this "underground" music is aimed at younger kids so you have middle schoolers walking around in bandanas with girls jeans on and anybody who grew up in a different era is "elitist" i suppose.

Thanks for hitting the nail on the head....

Just last week, I went to go see Dillinger Escape Plan about an hour away, and I got shit because I "wasn't hardcore" (I'm not a fan of girl's pants unless said girl is around and thinks they're cute on me.....) and "don't belong at their show". I made an off handed remark to a friend that where I said I preferred At The Drive-in over DEP, my friend said DEP was the greatest band ever, and these kids jumped all over me about it.

I was like damn...I probably like this band way more than you do. Don't hate on me just because I choose not to dress up to go to shows or whatever.

I probably like more scene bands than "real" hardcore bands....I just don't understand why scene kids have to be so damn exclusive about it.

[boysdontcry17]

you have dont have to dress up to be be a fan. thats SO stupid.

[Dan CiTi]

Togepi, in this thread you reminded me of someting very sad and something very happy.
1.(sad) Your story about the DEP show reminded me of BSF just breaking up. I got it off my mind by listening to some Circa Survive & The Clash, but the sadness is back.
2.(happy)
Your name reminds me of my Togepi (Mr.Egg) which in Pokemon Silver, (& Fire Red but more in Silver) I gave so much love and evovled so quickly and helped me a bunch through 3/4 or so of the game.

[futurcorerock]

Only on AbsolutePunk.net

[Rice and Bread]

ROFL @ UNDEROATH

NoFx are amazing.

[mrzippo3]

I love NOFX and I love Fat Mike. yeah I said it

[level4loser]

underoath is garbage.

[Audition101]

i cant believe you did this Underoath... come on you got to think of the fans that were in the cities on the last leg of the tour

[TheTrooth]

fat mikes a jackass. underoath owns nofx

[Ilovepoprock]

I only call people stupid when they're being geniunely stupid. Go hang out in the emo forum, and you'll see I have tolerance for differing opinions. A majority of users over there seem to hate Billy from Hot Cross/Saetia while I think Hot Cross and Saetia are awesome bands.

I only hate on people who's opinions aren't very well founded. Just becuase you have a right to your opinion doesn't mean it's equally valid as everyone else's. You have to be able to justify in some way and be able to defend that justification against criticism before it's legit in my eyes.



You don't have to take them seriously but, I believe that no matter what people should be treated with respect and their opinions not belittled. You just said yourself, you have no problem with hating on peoples whos opinion you don't think are legit. I'm not cool with that. :)

[Rice and Bread]

http://fuse.tv/upload/viewfile.php?sortby=date&id=1468&w=355&h=285

LOL
LOL

[Ilovepoprock]

that's not cool

[mht]

hahahaah

[Audition101]

I just wish Underoath didnt take the comments so harshly... But i think both bands rock and i wish both bands the best of luck.

[addictedtopunk]

NOFX!
Underoath is ok but NOFX has some shit kicking sounds and are way more fun to watch live.

[Audition101]

i dont know dude... have you ever seen Underoath live? i mean ive never seen NOFX live but Underoath they are so much fun to watch live

[addictedtopunk]

Yeah Ive seen them both live a few times, Underoath is ok but I had a lot better time in the pit with NOFX

[Ilovepoprock]

too much hardcore dancing at underoath

[shane hennessey]

anti-flag said today, "up next are our good friends, Underoath". fat mike got a good chuckle out of it. who cares about the drama

[Venona]

i think this sums it up
Underoath with Dallas > Nofx
Underoath with Spencer < Nofx

in that FUSE video what annoyed me the most is how ignorant Toby the singer of Emery sounded

[turvz]

I have never been a fan of NoFX, their music just doesn't appeal to me, although they are respectable because of their prolonged career, and Fat Mikes success on the side. I am a fan of Underoath however. Not because I'm a trendwhore, but because I enjoy their music.

Yes, Underoath will probably be gone within' the next few years and never heard of again. So what? If someone enjoys a bands music, why put them down? I'm not going to sit here and bash NoFX just because I don't like them.

I think that what Fat Mike did was disrespectful. So their christian. And? Big deal. Just becuase a band is christian doesn't automatically mean that their music is horrid. There isn't a substantial difference between a band writing about a girl, or a band writing about their beliefs. They still express themselves in their music, and isn't that what it's all about?

When Christian bands write lyrics, it isn't to force their beliefs on you. They write about religion for the same reason NoFX writes about their shit. They just have different motives. Underoath writes about beliefs, while NoFX writes about...well whatever they write about. (Again, not an avid fan).

I really hope Underoath doesn't drop off the tour as I'm sure they put on a great show. Originally I was just going to go for Against Me, and Fall of Troy. But the line-up looks sweet. The Bled, Every Time I Die, Alexisonfire. Sweet.

[DOLLFACE<3]

i actually didnt have a problem with NOFX before fat mike started making shit comments about bands i like. and its not just about underoath, he has said shit about rise against too. sure hahaha funny at first but it gets old after a while. he deserves no respect cause he takes things to far. im not even christian and i still think underoath is better. i think the things he has said are just a way to be seen in the media's eye. sure underoath most likely wont be around half as long as NOFX has. but that doesnt mean they are not better. its all based on your own opinion and what sounds good to you. so, pretty much its unless to argue becuase your not going to change people's opinions. some of you are trying to shove shit down people's throats and sorry to say but its not going to work.

[level4loser]

I have never been a fan of NoFX, their music just doesn't appeal to me


I am a fan of Underoath because I enjoy their music.



There isn't a substantial difference between a band writing about a girl, or a band writing about their beliefs.

.


3 problems i had with your post:


1. have you ever heard the decline? i mean say what you will about their back catalogue, but that is the single best punk song ever written.
2. underoath is not a musically talented band. they are an image band. liking their music is something you most likely made yourself do subconsciously before you even heard it. think about it homes, where were you the first time you heard about them? hot topic? tooth and nail tent at last years most likely bitchin warped tour? ap magazine? no matter where you heard it from, it came from somewhere, and im damn sure youre first impression of the band was a picture, not a song.
3. there is a huge difference. bands who sing about their beliefs want their beliefs to be heard and recognized and followed. most of the bands who sing about females today hardly have the same purpose.


if you listen to the locust im sure you'll understand someday.

[level4loser]

he has said shit about rise against too.

who cares? rise against havent rocked the same since dan left anyways. and that was right before they went major and left fat wreck (fat mikes record label for all you underoath fans) to write vaguely political ramblings any drunk college know it all hippie could relate to you over "this killer keystone light, bro."

go get educated. fat mike doesnt take legitamate shots just to take shots. and its all respect. havent you heard the propaghandi song about him? punk is about challenging others assumptions and core beliefs. and if fat mike offended someone with that on what used to be called "PUNK rock summer camp", then i guess they can go sit alone somewhere and check their myspaces for more bandana wearing spin kick jockeys like you.

[Rice and Bread]

level4loser is owning this thread.

[turvz]

3 problems i had with your post:


1. have you ever heard the decline? i mean say what you will about their back catalogue, but that is the single best punk song ever written.
2. underoath is not a musically talented band. they are an image band. liking their music is something you most likely made yourself do subconsciously before you even heard it. think about it homes, where were you the first time you heard about them? hot topic? tooth and nail tent at last years most likely bitchin warped tour? ap magazine? no matter where you heard it from, it came from somewhere, and im damn sure youre first impression of the band was a picture, not a song.
3. there is a huge difference. bands who sing about their beliefs want their beliefs to be heard and recognized and followed. most of the bands who sing about females today hardly have the same purpose.


if you listen to the locust im sure you'll understand someday.

I really respect you, as you didn't give me a "ZOMG IM 5 YEARZ 0lD!" response.

Hmm.

1. No but I will certainly go and have a listen.
2. I can't remember where I was the first time I heard them. I didn't like TOCS though, and when I first heard Define the Great Line, I hated it. It just grew on me. Trust me, I'm not going to like something because it's a spur of the moment fad. And in regards to talent, their new album is not lacking any. I've played Guitar for 6 years and Drums for 4, so I atleast half know my stuff. No it's not the most talented shit out there, but it also isn't the most simplistic.
3. Good Point. :)

I really respect you, as you didn't give me a "ZOMG IM 5 YEARZ 0lD!" response.

[Carlo Marx]

who cares? rise against havent rocked the same since dan left anyways. and that was right before they went major and left fat wreck (fat mikes record label for all you underoath fans) to write vaguely political ramblings any drunk college know it all hippie could relate to you over "this killer keystone light, bro."

go get educated. fat mike doesnt take legitamate shots just to take shots. and its all respect. havent you heard the propaghandi song about him? punk is about challenging others assumptions and core beliefs. and if fat mike offended someone with that on what used to be called "PUNK rock summer camp", then i guess they can go sit alone somewhere and check their myspaces for more bandana wearing spin kick jockeys like you.

haha, i was about to jump all over this girl with the "rise against were on fat mike's label, you assclown.", but you beat me to it.

[Bean]

have you ever heard the decline? i mean say what you will about their back catalogue, but that is the single best punk song ever written.

underoath is not a musically talented band. they are an image band. liking their music is something you most likely made yourself do subconsciously before you even heard it. think about it homes, where were you the first time you heard about them? hot topic? tooth and nail tent at last years most likely bitchin warped tour? ap magazine? no matter where you heard it from, it came from somewhere, and im damn sure youre first impression of the band was a picture, not a song
Guess I'll have to check out The Decline.

Just to toss my two cents in, but while Underoath aren't my favorite band or anything, I like to listen to them from time to time and my first impression of them wasn't an image at all. I was at a local venue and heard "Reinventing Your Exit" (they'd play CDs between bands) and thought the song was catchy, and didn't even know who it was. I'd wanted to hear it again but could never figure out who the band was, and only later, when someone recommended I check out Underoath (the most 'imagery' I'd seen of them was stuff on shirts people would wear), I found that song and some others by them I liked. That led me to explore their older stuff, which I really like, and to buy the new CD, which is so-so.

Anywho, I think Fat Mike's kinda funny, and I don't give a shit about this band-band argument.

[x togepi x]

on image:

the last time I checked underoath's website, which was the winter my freshman year of college back right after TOCS came out, in their bio/about the band page, they had this quote about how UO hates bands that spend more time on their hair and buying the right clothes than they do on their music.

and what did underoath look like in that picture?

Generic scene kids with really expensive hair cuts.

i laughed really hard.

[Rice and Bread]

the changing of times is a decent album actually :(

[handguns4hearts]

I like NOFX (don't kill me) and I think I like them better. Don't get me wrong, Underoath is cool but they scream to much.

[DOLLFACE<3]

there is reason why rise against left his label in the first place

[riseagainst89]

i actually praise fat mike for what he is saying about from first to last and underoath both these bands represent what is wrong with the music indrustry today. there trendy as fuck protray a image, and everyone is like omg form first to last and underoath are my faviorite scream emo bands because mtv told me they were like o my gosh!

[riseagainst89]

wait fat mike bashed rise against.... was he joking what did he say?

[DOLLFACE<3]

of course he did who doesnt he talk shit about these days....if i could find the article i would show you exept i forgot where i got it and what it said. sorry. im sure someone else could tell you though.
but it was shit like always that came out of his mouth.

[shadowofmyself]

I loved that video of Fat Mike going to bible study! I don't really listen to NOFX or Underoath, but I have to side with NOFX on this. I have been exposed to plenty of religious people in my lifetime, and the majority of them have been hypocrites. I do have several Christian friends who are not, but the rest are. I have seen kids from really big Christian families who are alcoholics and even potheads. Plus, when did tattoos become ok for Christians? I thought that they were not supposed to mark their bodies. Oh, that's right! The old testemant frowns on tattoos, but the new testament says they're A-OK!! Who wants a sleeve?

I am not a Christian, in fact I consider myself to be agnostic. I just think that all religion is hypocritical, especially since in the end we're all wrong (except for the mormons).

All that matters to me is that I'm a good person. I don't do drugs, I don't smoke, I don't kill people, I'm not in a gang, I go to school, when I had a job I wasn't late. For someone like those guys from Emery and Underoath to say that they are not good people is bizarre! Does having bad thoughts make you a bad person, or does acting on those thoughts make you a bad person? There are many times when I want to punch someone in the face. Am I a horrible person? No! If I acted on this thought and punched that old lady, then yes, yes I would be a horrible person.

[truepunk]

underOATH isnt punk.

[Ilovepoprock]

underOATH isnt punk.

you're quite 'johnny on the spot'.

[level4loser]

of course he did who doesnt he talk shit about these days....if i could find the article i would show you exept i forgot where i got it and what it said. sorry. im sure someone else could tell you though.
but it was shit like always that came out of his mouth.

you suck. the man pretty much wrote the book for punk rock bass playing. and if its all about the music anyways why does it matter? and im pretty sure hes never said shit about 99.99999997% of all the bands playing music today.

and rise against sucks anyways.

[DOLLFACE<3]

you suck. the man pretty much wrote the book for punk rock bass playing. and if its all about the music anyways why does it matter? and im pretty sure hes never said shit about 99.99999997% of all the bands playing music today.

and rise against sucks anyways.

rise against pretty makes their music sound like nails on a chalkboard

[turvz]

you suck. the man pretty much wrote the book for punk rock bass playing. and if its all about the music anyways why does it matter? and im pretty sure hes never said shit about 99.99999997% of all the bands playing music today.

and rise against sucks anyways.

Agreed.

i actually praise fat mike for what he is saying about from first to last and underoath both these bands represent what is wrong with the music indrustry today. there trendy as fuck protray a image, and everyone is like omg form first to last and underoath are my faviorite scream emo bands because mtv told me they were like o my gosh!

I don't have MTV here in Canada so I don't know what they pump into people heads, but you are being extremely bias stating that if we like music thats on MTV makes us "trendy". Who cares if someone likes music that just happens to be on TV?

Does that mean that Rise Against is trendy? I'm just using them as an example as they are in your name and I'm assuming you like their music. They get more radio/television play then Underoath. So I guess since you like them, you must be one of those "omg rise against is my favourite punk/rock/political band because mtv told me they were like o my gosh!".

Thank you.

[Audition101]

wow i was at warped yesterday in Camden and it seems like Less Than Jake hates Underoath too.... their whole set they just made fun of Underoath... was anyone else there at the Camden warped?

[Carlo Marx]

there is reason why rise against left his label in the first place

yeah, because major labels offer them the kind of promotion and exposure that indie labels can't afford.

It's not personal politics you fuckstick. Rise Against owe their success to Fat Wreck Chords.

[Carlo Marx]

rise against pretty makes their music sound like nails on a chalkboard

English pretty speaks here in.

[Criesofthepast7]

underOATH isnt punk.

and you think you are?

[handguns4hearts]

and you think you are?


Oooh!!! Burn!!!!

[Audition101]

haha owned

[fcknazisympathy]

yeah, because major labels offer them the kind of promotion and exposure that indie labels can't afford.

It's not personal politics you fuckstick. Rise Against owe their success to Fat Wreck Chords.

Anti-Flag did that too they quit Fat Wreck to go to a major label and now there are kids running around
I KNOWZ POLITIKS ANTI-FLAG PUNXX

[Darren McLeod]

Anti-Flag did that too they quit Fat Wreck to go to a major label and now there are kids running around
I KNOWZ POLITIKS ANTI-FLAG PUNXX
its a good thing we have political punk bands going to a bigger label.

what's the point of being a political punk band if all you're doing is preaching to a crowd that already knows politics, and cares about them? You're not going to have as big of an impact as if you're reaching millions of others.

[fcknazisympathy]

its a good thing we have political punk bands going to a bigger label.

what's the point of being a political punk band if all you're doing is preaching to a crowd that already knows politics, and cares about them? You're not going to have as big of an impact as if you're reaching millions of others.

You're a fucking idiot, maybe if Anti-Flag knew what they were talking about, they are a bunch of retarded leftist extremists with no grasp of reality. Not to mention, their music blows dick.

[Darren McLeod]

You're a fucking idiot, maybe if Anti-Flag knew what they were talking about, they are a bunch of retarded leftist extremists with no grasp of reality. Not to mention, their music blows dick.
Well, that's a nice retaliation for no reason. Thanks for that personal attack on me because I thought it was good to get some different opinions in the mainstream. You're probably right though, we should just stick to Panic! At The Disco and James Blunt being bands on TV and radio, and anyone with a message, whether you agree or disagree, or think "their music blows," should not only not be in the mainstream, but you're a fucking idiot if you think there is a positive aspect to people being exposed to said artist.

You have a real way with words, son.

[x togepi x]

I don't think Anti-Flag should be on a major because they criticize the arms industry and you can tie major labels to the same industry. It makes political punk look hypocritical.

however, a band like Rise Against, that's more vague in their political message is good being on a major for the reasons you just said.

[DOLLFACE<3]

yeah, because major labels offer them the kind of promotion and exposure that indie labels can't afford.

It's not personal politics you fuckstick. Rise Against owe their success to Fat Wreck Chords.

sure they do owe some of their success to fat wreck...but still they wouldnt have left if they were that good of buddies with fat mike. friendship is friendship. thank god they went to a different label...cause i wouldnt want to like a band that is anyway associated with his haggard self.

[Carlo Marx]

sure they do owe some of their success to fat wreck...but still they wouldnt have left if they were that good of buddies with fat mike. friendship is friendship. thank god they went to a different label...cause i wouldnt want to like a band that is anyway associated with his haggard self.

If ignorance is bliss, you must be one happy little camper. Cute that you think you live in a world where friendship pays your bills.

[Carlo Marx]

You're a fucking idiot, maybe if Anti-Flag knew what they were talking about, they are a bunch of retarded leftist extremists with no grasp of reality. Not to mention, their music blows dick.

Dude, you really haven't been obnoxious lately, but I'm drawing the fucking line here. You don't talk that way to Darren, he's one of the few true people on these boards. So shut the fuck up. Don't post in this thread anymore, you're not helping the NoFX side of this argument at all.

[DOLLFACE<3]

Dude, you really haven't been obnoxious lately, but I'm drawing the fucking line here. You don't talk that way to Darren, he's one of the few true people on these boards. So shut the fuck up. Don't post in this thread anymore, you're not helping the NoFX side of this argument at all.

im stating my opinions not trying to shove it down your throat. im not trying to help the NOFX side of this argument..im not taking sides at all..considering you cant even compare the two bands music. i just personally dont like fat mike..and thats it.

[Darren McLeod]

sure they do owe some of their success to fat wreck...but still they wouldnt have left if they were that good of buddies with fat mike. friendship is friendship. thank god they went to a different label...cause i wouldnt want to like a band that is anyway associated with his haggard self.
Well, they could still be friends. I mean, Against Me! have a lot of close friends at Fat Wreck... I managed to have a good discussion with the guys in the band about Vanessa, the press lady, who they absolutely adore. Yet they still made the jump.

[Carlo Marx]

im stating my opinions not trying to shove it down your throat. im not trying to help the NOFX side of this argument..im not taking sides at all..considering you cant even compare the two bands music. i just personally dont like fat mike..and thats it.

that was directed at fcknazisympathy you knucklehead.

[DOLLFACE<3]

that was directed at fcknazisympathy you knucklehead.

i know that i just figured since i will get that told to me sometime i should just comment know about it

[love_american_style]

i like them both.....NOFX was the band that got me into punk and underground / indie music....so in a wasy if it wasnt for them i wouldnt be listening to underOATH.

[riseagainst89]

^^^ yes you would underoath is so mainstream.

[Carlo Marx]

i know that i just figured since i will get that told to me sometime i should just comment know about it

?

It was kind of a specific statement. I don't really know why someone would say that to you, unless everything you said was just copied and pasted from fcknazisympathy.

[DOLLFACE<3]

okay sure i guess

[Audition101]

Underoath is very mainstream now.

[Liarsenic]

Underoath became mainstream because their music appeals to people. Maybe everyone who is hailing NOFX as the most musically talented band (Fat Mike invented punk bass? give me a break.) on earth should go get a musical education. Punk music is fast and not very hard to formulate. I am NOT saying that Underoath is a better band, so don't jump in and call me a "pussy christian" or the dreaded "not punk" because I realize that there is much more challenging music out there to play than "Dinosaurs exist", which is a great song however. It doesn't make music any less enjoyable or important because of it's intricacy. That makes people stupid elitists. Realize that being good at your instrument does not make your band more credible than the next.

And as far as Less Than Jake making fun of Underoath.. who the fuck are they to say anything? they are over the hill dudes making shitty music and riding the remains of their once great career into the ground. No band should make fun of another band because they are successful for a different reason or because they don't share the same views.

And for the record i have seen all three bands. All three put on great shows. I enjoyed myself at all three shows. No need to compete.

Look, if you hate underoath, then listen to NOFX. If you hate NOFX, you probably shouldn't be posting on "ABSOLUTEPUNK.NET" about anything. And if you think Rise Against is going to amount to anything without Fat Wreck, you should just punch yourself in the face. see:every band who ever moved from indie punk label to major scene. (new found glory, mxpx)

[Carlo Marx]

Sorry, but if you're more talented on your instrument than another player, you are a better musician. That's the way music works. If you know more music theory, you then become a better musician. See the pattern forming here? Being better at making music makes you a better musician. It's a very foreign concept, but I'm sure that if you keep trying real hard, one day you'll get it.

[Liarsenic]

funny, then tim from underoath is a better fucking guitar player than El Hefe. try and find a NOFX record with chord changes based around jazz scales or any time signature besides 4/4 or 6/8. Underoath have much more musicianship that NOFX, but my point was that being good at bass doesnt make your band better than any other band. Both bands make good music, so it's retarded to argue that because fat mike is "better at bass" that underoath should quit making records. So dumbass, why don't you make a good argument that applies the theory of the music and the depth of the rhythmic and tonal aspects of NOFX music to Underoath and then get back to me. Or was that proposition too hard for you to grasp?
Yes, I just insulted you

[Carlo Marx]

funny, then tim from underoath is a better fucking guitar player than El Hefe. try and find a NOFX record with chord changes based around jazz scales or any time signature besides 4/4 or 6/8. Underoath have much more musicianship that NOFX, but my point was that being good at bass doesnt make your band better than any other band. Both bands make good music, so it's retarded to argue that because fat mike is "better at bass" that underoath should quit making records. So dumbass, why don't you make a good argument that applies the theory of the music and the depth of the rhythmic and tonal aspects of NOFX music to Underoath and then get back to me. Or was that proposition too hard for you to grasp?
Yes, I just insulted you

See:

NoFX - The Decline

[love_american_style]

i'm sick of these threads.....isnt anyone else?

[lawofaverages]

im gunna go with nofx, solely because underoath believe that the dinosaurs never existed. theres more evidence of the existence of dinosaurs than there is the existence of god.

[thesht_jfm]

My *kissies* go out to Fat Mike....

[Audition101]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1538341/20060810/from_first_to_last.jhtml?headlines= true

Interesting article on the warped tour and underoath and nofx.... seems as if fat mike really was the reason for underoath leaving and he was jsut trying to cover his ass

[???]

underoath are a bunch of pussies.

nofx all the fucking way.

[BruisedxBroken]

I think fat mike made a good point when he said that all these young bands (fftl, underoath ect) came onto the warped tour expecting to be treated like rock stars, and then dropped out when they weren't. These kids haven't paid dues, and if you're expecting arena headliner treatment on a 100+ band tour, you're probably going to drop out (later on) regardless of what anyone else says about your religion or personal faith. In other words, if you think you're going to own the warped tour because james paul wisner produced a couple of hits for you, you deserve the fate that follows.

I think people play too much into the whole Fat Mike v Underoath thing. Fat Mike is an asshole, and he'll continue to harass anyone who'll let him. I also think underoath were smart enough to figure that out early on, and used it as an excuse to bail on a tour they were never quite a 'fit' for.

Underoath are mega famous, and they really don't need to play warped if they don't want to. I just feel bad for the kids who were looking forward to seeing them. I side with no one in this case.

[xcomebackkid]

yeah at teh philly warped tour underoath bailed. so less than jake ripped on them for five minuets to everyone at the concert.

[HplessRomntic]

it sucks that people are talking shit about bands because of there belifes
and not there musical talent. i fuckin hate close minded people.

[Carlo Marx]

i fuckin hate close minded people.

you should be hating fundamentalist christians then

[mht]

nofx is the new pontius pilot, underoath is the new jesus.

christian kids cry. i am christian. i dont care, i dont see underoath in the bible, they dont weigh a factor if i go to church or not or what holidays i celebrate and their lyrics mean garbage to me and my life religiously. underoath will never impact the music industry or do anything special in their career besides their hairstyles. they do nothing for todays music. end this thread. jesus died long ago. get over it children. listen to music that doesnt preach stupid shit and ruin a religion i actually believe in. they are such a disgrace to christianity its not even funny.

[HplessRomntic]

you should be hating fundamentalist christians then

thats prob why im not a christian

[riseagainst89]

underoath is so mainstream there alumb debeuted at 2 or some shit. hahaha stupid kids.

[HplessRomntic]

how does that make people stupid

[koala72]

Here we go...
Fuck Underoath

long live NOFX

And i'm sure in 10 years NOFX will be rembered, and no one will give a shit about Underoath.

[Spadde]

underoath seems to be having hard times...not sure if its because of fat mike.

Either way, underoath shows or some of the most intense ties ive ever had. been to one nofx show, but it was all right...but i didnt have that much fun.

[riseagainst89]

how does that make people stupid
cause they represent what is wrong with the music indrustry and all the kiddies bought it like crazy.

[fcknazisympathy]

underoath seems to be having hard times...not sure if its because of fat mike.

Either way, underoath shows or some of the most intense ties ive ever had. been to one nofx show, but it was all right...but i didnt have that much fun.

Were they drunk? How did you not have fun?

[spencersface]

underoath seems to be having hard times...not sure if its because of fat mike.

Either way, underoath shows or some of the most intense ties ive ever had. been to one nofx show, but it was all right...but i didnt have that much fun.

It's been officially stated that the trouble Underoath is having is NOT because of Fat Mike.

[Alex Djaferis]

everyone under 19-20 will prefer underoath.

[spencersface]

underoath will never impact the music industry or do anything special in their career besides their hairstyles. they do nothing for todays music.

lol I couldn't agree more. I do enjoy most of Underoath's music but they're definitely not a cornerstone band in the industry. Everyone should stop making a big deal about all of this, who cares. Even at their best, Underoath hasn't come close to making anything lyrically/musically what other bands have.

And there's no use comparing them to NOFX because their musical styles are completely different and NOFX actually have longevity (whether you like them or not).

[Atlas]

Underoath is best! nofx bad!:P hehe

[mht]

lol I couldn't agree more. I do enjoy most of Underoath's music but they're definitely not a cornerstone band in the industry. Everyone should stop making a big deal about all of this, who cares. Even at their best, Underoath hasn't come close to making anything lyrically/musically what other bands have.

And there's no use comparing them to NOFX because their musical styles are completely different and NOFX actually have longevity (whether you like them or not).


nofx is old hat, though i like some nofx in my day, and enjoy it, they are nothing impacting as well, just a bunch of guys in the oi oi oi punk scene that do drugs and have wrinkled balls, underoath just tries to hard, nofx doesnt care. thats where its different. underoath just needs to stop being stupid in music and going around like their shit dont stink, they are the 5 ugliest dudes that try and look pretty though i must say.

[spencersface]

nofx is old hat, though i like some nofx in my day, and enjoy it, they are nothing impacting as well, just a bunch of guys in the oi oi oi punk scene that do drugs and have wrinkled balls

They may be older, but they've definitely impacted most of the present day punk bands out there.

[CassM]

Okay MHT-I've got to say that you're sounding like a really ignorant idiot to me right now.

UnderOath is being stupid in their music?

Apparently they're doing something right because they've made millions. I think it's great that they're spreading the word about their faith. And if you were a true Christian, as you claimed earlier, you would be also.

I don't really have anything against NOFX unless the thing that I heard about what happened at Warped Tour actually happened...

but that's about all I have to say.

[Sinister Rouge]

Listening to Underoath makes me wish I crucified christ.....

[AVA22]

Underoath wins, but not because of their current music, but because of what they did in the past. Their new singer sucks, there is too much screaming in their music now, its just noise. NOFX is not talented in the least, their lyrics suck and their music is what highschool kids all over the US play in their basements when they first get their guitars etc.

[EchelonRForever]

hahahhaahahahha

underoath is wayyyyyy overated.
agreed

[Carlo Marx]

Underoath wins, but not because of their current music, but because of what they did in the past. Their new singer sucks, there is too much screaming in their music now, its just noise. NOFX is not talented in the least, their lyrics suck and their music is what highschool kids all over the US play in their basements when they first get their guitars etc.

you like angels & airwaves.

[Audition101]

you like angels & airwaves.
haha yea Angels and Airwaves is pretty awful.

[a speedo model]

Listening to Underoath makes me wish I crucified christ.....
wtf?

[???]

Listening to Underoath makes me wish I crucified christ.....

why are they jew's?

dude, thats sig worthy.

[hollyxxx]

Underoath is for bitches.

[nofx5675]

nofx is way better than those faggy jesus loving emo shits underoath and thats just how it is

[nofx5675]

Underoath is for bitches.
your right they are

[okheidi]

NOFX is amazing.. is there really any competition here?

[HplessRomntic]

i cant belive stupid ass punkers still talk about something that happened over a month ago!
kinda how you guys still argue about the fact that punk died 10 years ago.

[Slaytus]

Underoath wins, but not because of their current music, but because of what they did in the past. Their new singer sucks, there is too much screaming in their music now, its just noise. NOFX is not talented in the least, their lyrics suck and their music is what highschool kids all over the US play in their basements when they first get their guitars etc.


your a fuckin moron Underoath's first 2 cds were far more heavier then their newest cd and Chasing Safety. Idoit.

[FrankMareno]

NOfx kicked there ass lol, i hate underoaths screamer guy i might actually enjoy the band if he wasnt in it

[FrankMareno]

i cant belive stupid ass punkers still talk about something that happened over a month ago!
kinda how you guys still argue about the fact that punk died 10 years ago.

ya we are still fighting the good fight...

[koala72]

NOFX is amazing.. is there really any competition here?
Apparently there is, people these days would rather here consistent screaming:huh:

[megarawr]

Dance Partyyyyyyy

[GreenFairy]

i like both but i think i prefer nofx.

[E-Skeezy]

IMO, both bands are a bit overrated.
NOFX has made a career out of working hard, building a good fan base, but most of all....being funny. To call them great "musicians" is a bit laughable.
Underoath got pretty lucky to be making their brand of music at about the same time when a lot of people started making Christian Metalcore-esque bands popular. I don't think they're adding too much to the industry, whereas NOFX was very influential for a lot of people.

And for all the haters, go have a conversation with Aaron Weiss and then come tell me that christian bands are bad for the industry and are bad for christianity.

[Eliza1118]

to start off, i personally respect nofx as musicians more than underoath because i believe nofx were a breakthrough band. and i do understand nofx's beef with punk these days, in that punk has become solely a genre of music and not as much an attitude as it used to be.

that being said, however i disgaree with the way theyre trying to re promote the punk attitude. i have absolutely nothing wrong with punk protesting something or making fun of anything in their music, a lot of bands have made a difference in society this way. but the thing is, nofx is taking it outside the realm of music and are attacking underoath's personal lives. music has nothing to do with nofx's hate on underoath, which is why im going to have to agree with what some people have said and say that it does seem like nofx is just trying to gain notice by stirring up some controversy

[Carlo Marx]

to start off, i personally respect nofx as musicians more than underoath because i believe nofx were a breakthrough band. and i do understand nofx's beef with punk these days, in that punk has become solely a genre of music and not as much an attitude as it used to be.

that being said, however i disgaree with the way theyre trying to re promote the punk attitude. i have absolutely nothing wrong with punk protesting something or making fun of anything in their music, a lot of bands have made a difference in society this way. but the thing is, nofx is taking it outside the realm of music and are attacking underoath's personal lives. music has nothing to do with nofx's hate on underoath, which is why im going to have to agree with what some people have said and say that it does seem like nofx is just trying to gain notice by stirring up some controversy

you better be hot

[love_american_style]

you better be hot

hahahha

[rowwwley]

underoath. lol underoath what a joke. nofx isnt even good and theyre still 90000000092381640 times better than them

[JoPunx]

I think that Underoath's music is better, especially their new album, but I like NOFX too. ;)

[a speedo model]

Fuck Nofx

[Ilovepoprock]

Fuck Nofx

that's a ballsy statement...

[a speedo model]

that's a ballsy statement...
they make terrible music and are a bunch of assholes

[ConsciousEntity]

I like NOFX, and I can't stand Underoath, but I wouldn't say I hate them either. Music aside though, from what I've read and seen, I still side with the NOFX guys on this one.

[a speedo model]

I like NOFX, and I can't stand Underoath, but I wouldn't say I hate them either. Music aside though, from what I've read and seen, I still side with the NOFX guys on this one.
how so?

[x togepi x]

they make terrible music and are a bunch of assholes

if underoath thinks gay people don't deserve equal rights, then they're bigger assholes than fat mike.

[HplessRomntic]

i know half the dudes that side with that topic
are homophobs! i bet you anything nofx
cracks on dudes that are gay!

[x togepi x]

even if fat mike makes fun of gay people, he doesn't say they don't deserve rights, which is worse.

that's assuming underoath does.

[xwisebuddhax]

nofx has been my favorite band since 7th grade, they ruined me. Fuck underOATH, nofx owns

[Kevin88]

Fuck Underoath , those fucking hacks. People are saying that nofx doesnt have as much talent? Are they fucking kidding , basically if your playing a instrument for most of your life you get so good that you cant get better, nofx can play whatever way they want and you cant say the underoath vocals are better because theyre screamo, screamo is garbage , nofx has great lyrics too. The ONLY reason that underoath has more fans attacking nofx's page is because underoath is in theyre prime now and so is myspace , when nofx was at theyre primest moment it was in the 1990's and myspace did not exist and the fans are older now and not many people that are old are into myspace as much as teens. Nofx is one of the biggest punk bands, theyre punk and underoath isnt. If you get all wimpy over a silly joke about fat mikes great great great great great great ...ect.....great grand father killing J.C then your just a pussbag and thats not being punk. I hate how few other kids are into the same type and years of punk as i am since its not at its prime. Im sick of underoath , fall out boy , My Chemical Romance, Sense's Fail , first to last and panic at the disco. Theyre all shit , the trend will die in a few years. Death to the screamo/emo/fake punk scene.

[E-Skeezy]

Fuck Underoath , those fucking hacks. People are saying that nofx doesnt have as much talent? Are they fucking kidding , basically if your playing a instrument for most of your life you get so good that you cant get better, nofx can play whatever way they want and you cant say the underoath vocals are better because theyre screamo, screamo is garbage , nofx has great lyrics too. The ONLY reason that underoath has more fans attacking nofx's page is because underoath is in theyre prime now and so is myspace , when nofx was at theyre primest moment it was in the 1990's and myspace did not exist and the fans are older now and not many people that are old are into myspace as much as teens. Nofx is one of the biggest punk bands, theyre punk and underoath isnt. If you get all wimpy over a silly joke about fat mikes great great great great great great ...ect.....great grand father killing J.C then your just a pussbag and thats not being punk. I hate how few other kids are into the same type and years of punk as i am since its not at its prime. Im sick of underoath , fall out boy , My Chemical Romance, Sense's Fail , first to last and panic at the disco. Theyre all shit , the trend will die in a few years. Death to the screamo/emo/fake punk scene.

I bet you're one of those old guys that goes to all the local shows wearing your combat boots and your leather jacket with a giant Op Ivy patch on the back talking about the good ole days and how you're the only true punk left, aren't you?

Im sick of underoath, fall out boy, My Chemical Romance, Sense's Fail, first to last and panic at the disco. Theyre all shit, the trend will die in a few years. Death to the screamo/emo/fake punk scene.

I'm sick of old elitist fucks telling me what is and isn't punk and what bands I should and shouldn't be listening to. I don't even like most of those bands, but I certainly don't need some old hack telling me that they are garbage. It's people like you, and not little groupie scene kids, that are ruining the music industry and the community behind it.

[x togepi x]

saying panic/underoath et al isn't punk isn't being elitist, it's called not being a moron.

why is caring about punk bad? It's not elitism. If i say Underoath isn't punk, i'm not saying that they can't make music or that people shouldn't listen to them...I'm saying they're not a part of my scene.

i also think it's hilarious that you're calling him old when he's younger than you.

But i'll ask, what has underoath contributed to the punk scene? NOFX gave us one of the biggest labels in punk music as well as are an influence for countless new bands. UO? nothing other than really sweet hair cuts.

[E-Skeezy]

saying panic/underoath et al isn't punk isn't being elitist, it's called not being a moron.

why is caring about punk bad? It's not elitism. If i say Underoath isn't punk, i'm not saying that they can't make music or that people shouldn't listen to them...I'm saying they're not a part of my scene.

i also think it's hilarious that you're calling him old when he's younger than you.

But i'll ask, what has underoath contributed to the punk scene? NOFX gave us one of the biggest labels in punk music as well as are an influence for countless new bands. UO? nothing other than really sweet hair cuts.

wow.
I totally didn't realize that guy was only 18, that's crazy, I thought for sure with his speech he had to be like 40 or something.

anyways, in regards to my statements, and your reply:
Caring about punk is not elitist at all. Telling someone what is and what isn't punk, however, is elitist. I think at the root of the entire arguement is how you define punk. to me, punk represents doing things in your life on your own terms regardless of popular opinion. It's about standing out and thinking for youself, about making up your own mind. With that said, my question to you is: Why isn't underoath punk? Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of underoath, I liked them with dallas, but I haven't even listened to the new cd, but I don't have a problem with them. Why isn't fall out boy punk? Didn't they play tons of small shows around chicago when they weren't even popular? When that style of music wasn't even very popular? They've done nothing but work since they started, and they got rewarded for it. I'm sorry that these bands are popular, but they are not overnight success' and don't deserve to be shunned by the scene that they grew up in. Take Green Day, they were chastised for signing to a major label, but American Idiot was a tremendous album and would never exist if they didn't do what they thought was the right thing to do and sign to a major label.

with that said, I'm sorry if I offended you or anybody else. I went about this all wrong.

[Czarsy]

They both suck. Haha.

[clace]

Underoath is not punk, gtfo.

[Branevember31]

Fuck Underoath , those fucking hacks. People are saying that nofx doesnt have as much talent? Are they fucking kidding , basically if your playing a instrument for most of your life you get so good that you cant get better, nofx can play whatever way they want and you cant say the underoath vocals are better because theyre screamo, screamo is garbage , nofx has great lyrics too. The ONLY reason that underoath has more fans attacking nofx's page is because underoath is in theyre prime now and so is myspace , when nofx was at theyre primest moment it was in the 1990's and myspace did not exist and the fans are older now and not many people that are old are into myspace as much as teens. Nofx is one of the biggest punk bands, theyre punk and underoath isnt. If you get all wimpy over a silly joke about fat mikes great great great great great great ...ect.....great grand father killing J.C then your just a pussbag and thats not being punk. I hate how few other kids are into the same type and years of punk as i am since its not at its prime. Im sick of underoath , fall out boy , My Chemical Romance, Sense's Fail , first to last and panic at the disco. Theyre all shit , the trend will die in a few years. Death to the screamo/emo/fake punk scene.



no. i have heard everyone of NOFX's albums multiple times and they are all the biggest pieces of garbage i have heard. im not even a very big fan of underoath, but they are a thousand times better than NOFX.

and, next time you try to act all smart, spell Senses right.

[fcknazisympathy]

wow.
I totally didn't realize that guy was only 18, that's crazy, I thought for sure with his speech he had to be like 40 or something.

anyways, in regards to my statements, and your reply:
Caring about punk is not elitist at all. Telling someone what is and what isn't punk, however, is elitist. I think at the root of the entire arguement is how you define punk. to me, punk represents doing things in your life on your own terms regardless of popular opinion. It's about standing out and thinking for youself, about making up your own mind. With that said, my question to you is: Why isn't underoath punk? Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of underoath, I liked them with dallas, but I haven't even listened to the new cd, but I don't have a problem with them. Why isn't fall out boy punk? Didn't they play tons of small shows around chicago when they weren't even popular? When that style of music wasn't even very popular? They've done nothing but work since they started, and they got rewarded for it. I'm sorry that these bands are popular, but they are not overnight success' and don't deserve to be shunned by the scene that they grew up in. Take Green Day, they were chastised for signing to a major label, but American Idiot was a tremendous album and would never exist if they didn't do what they thought was the right thing to do and sign to a major label.

with that said, I'm sorry if I offended you or anybody else. I went about this all wrong.

underoath isnt punk. youre a fucking idiot. you cant be a christian based band and be punk, it just doesnt happen.

[tbs_fan10191]

ya so i dont have a problem with underoath, but to all ther fans who are dissin nofx, u all can GO FUCK URSELVES cuz u know that nofx kicks ass and just because of a little fuckin joke, everybody is tellin off these guys that r like legends.... so im not sayin that underoath sux, but ther fans need to SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[XitalianpunkerX]

i like them both they are both talented, and i think people are just dumb. and need to calm down, its music, its sposed to make us feel better, not hate eachother, so SHUT THE FUCK UP GOD DAMN IT!:dunce:

[x togepi x]

wow.

anyways, in regards to my statements, and your reply:
Caring about punk is not elitist at all. Telling someone what is and what isn't punk, however, is elitist. I think at the root of the entire arguement is how you define punk. to me, punk represents doing things in your life on your own terms regardless of popular opinion.
It's about standing out and thinking for youself, about making up your own mind. With that said, my question to you is:

Following your logic, George W. Bush is the punkest person ever for invading iraq even though the rest of the world knew it was a horrible idea.

Individuality, while a value in punk, isn't the supreme value. if it was, then everyone who did their own thing would be a punk rocker. That makes the subculture virtually meaningless. You can't have a definable subculture where anything goes. That's why we decry selling out. That's why you don't see Justin Timberlake in the punk section of a record store.

Why isn't underoath punk? Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of underoath, I liked them with dallas, but I haven't even listened to the new cd, but I don't have a problem with them.

First off, them being punk has nothing to do with them being good. There are a lot of shitty street punk bands that I loathe to listen to, but still are punk. More importantly, I liked underoath up until the new cd. You're not talking to someone who hates them because it's cool.

Secondly, as punk is, at its roots, an anti-authoritarian subculture, there is no way a band that trumpets fundamentalist christian values such as anti-gay rights can be punk. Why? because they submit themselves to an authority...hell, they claim their authority is the ultimate authority. It's really hard for Christian music to fall into the subculture. I'm not saying it's possible, as there are lots of anti-authoritarian sects of Christianity, but I highly doubt Underoath falls into this category.

Since Underoath doesn't fit within the scene, let's talk about the genre of music that punk is. Does Underoath sound like NOFX? No. Underoath has its roots in hardcore/metal. They've gone from being a metalcore band to being a pop rock band with post-hardcore influences back to being a metalcore band. Musically, they don't even fit within punk rock.


Why isn't fall out boy punk? Didn't they play tons of small shows around chicago when they weren't even popular? When that style of music wasn't even very popular? They've done nothing but work since they started, and they got rewarded for it.

Working hard has nothing to do with being punk. A pop singer like Beyonce spends hours in the gym, as well as hours learning the choreography in her shows. Does that make her punk?

The main reason fall out boy isn't punk is because of how they treated the scene. I think there's an unspoken rule that as a part of the punk scene, you give back just as much as you take. For most people who aren't in bands, this means supporting the musicians you love by going to their shows and buying their albums. Fall Out Boy does very little for Chicago's scene. Instead of bringing local chicago bands onto their tours, they tour with bands that aren't punk like Panic or with other bands that already have a following. They're not giving anything back.

Pete Wentz, who runs his own label, has the perfect chance to give back to the scene. What does he do? Instead he signs nonpunk bands like panic and the hush sound to his label, just so they can jump to majors in the future.

There was never a point in time where Fall Out Boy's style wasn't popular. They started in 2000. Pop punk has had a pretty big audience since the mid-90s, so you can't claim they're just a really good punk band that broke into the mainstream against all odds.

I'm sorry that these bands are popular, but they are not overnight success' and don't deserve to be shunned by the scene that they grew up in.

They abandoned the scenes they grew up in just as much as they were shunned. There's a very good reason they got shunned, and it's not popularity. Most people who are actually punk aren't so petty to stop liking a band because they're popular.

Take Green Day, they were chastised for signing to a major label, but American Idiot was a tremendous album and would never exist if they didn't do what they thought was the right thing to do and sign to a major label.

Take Green Day, who when interviewed for VH1's behind the music said that green day was never a punk band to begin with.

What i'm trying to explain to you is that punk is a set thing that isn't based on popularity. I like Green Day. I like Fall Out Boy and I like some underoath. When I'm saying they're not punk, I'm not telling you that they're bad.

[E-Skeezy]

Following your logic, George W. Bush is the punkest person ever for invading iraq even though the rest of the world knew it was a horrible idea.

Individuality, while a value in punk, isn't the supreme value. if it was, then everyone who did their own thing would be a punk rocker. That makes the subculture virtually meaningless. You can't have a definable subculture where anything goes. That's why we decry selling out. That's why you don't see Justin Timberlake in the punk section of a record store.



First off, them being punk has nothing to do with them being good. There are a lot of shitty street punk bands that I loathe to listen to, but still are punk. More importantly, I liked underoath up until the new cd. You're not talking to someone who hates them because it's cool.

Secondly, as punk is, at its roots, an anti-authoritarian subculture, there is no way a band that trumpets fundamentalist christian values such as anti-gay rights can be punk. Why? because they submit themselves to an authority...hell, they claim their authority is the ultimate authority. It's really hard for Christian music to fall into the subculture. I'm not saying it's possible, as there are lots of anti-authoritarian sects of Christianity, but I highly doubt Underoath falls into this category.

Since Underoath doesn't fit within the scene, let's talk about the genre of music that punk is. Does Underoath sound like NOFX? No. Underoath has its roots in hardcore/metal. They've gone from being a metalcore band to being a pop rock band with post-hardcore influences back to being a metalcore band. Musically, they don't even fit within punk rock.




Working hard has nothing to do with being punk. A pop singer like Beyonce spends hours in the gym, as well as hours learning the choreography in her shows. Does that make her punk?

The main reason fall out boy isn't punk is because of how they treated the scene. I think there's an unspoken rule that as a part of the punk scene, you give back just as much as you take. For most people who aren't in bands, this means supporting the musicians you love by going to their shows and buying their albums. Fall Out Boy does very little for Chicago's scene. Instead of bringing local chicago bands onto their tours, they tour with bands that aren't punk like Panic or with other bands that already have a following. They're not giving anything back.

Pete Wentz, who runs his own label, has the perfect chance to give back to the scene. What does he do? Instead he signs nonpunk bands like panic and the hush sound to his label, just so they can jump to majors in the future.

There was never a point in time where Fall Out Boy's style wasn't popular. They started in 2000. Pop punk has had a pretty big audience since the mid-90s, so you can't claim they're just a really good punk band that broke into the mainstream against all odds.



They abandoned the scenes they grew up in just as much as they were shunned. There's a very good reason they got shunned, and it's not popularity. Most people who are actually punk aren't so petty to stop liking a band because they're popular.



Take Green Day, who when interviewed for VH1's behind the music said that green day was never a punk band to begin with.

What i'm trying to explain to you is that punk is a set thing that isn't based on popularity. I like Green Day. I like Fall Out Boy and I like some underoath. When I'm saying they're not punk, I'm not telling you that they're bad.

That was a very intelligent and well thought-out post. I understand all the points you made.
Thank you.

[Carlo Marx]

no. i have heard everyone of NOFX's albums multiple times and they are all the biggest pieces of garbage i have heard. im not even a very big fan of underoath, but they are a thousand times better than NOFX.

and, next time you try to act all smart, spell Senses right.

Sorry, no dipshit zone.

[TXHCryan]

wow.
I totally didn't realize that guy was only 18, that's crazy, I thought for sure with his speech he had to be like 40 or something.

anyways, in regards to my statements, and your reply:
Caring about punk is not elitist at all. Telling someone what is and what isn't punk, however, is elitist. I think at the root of the entire arguement is how you define punk. to me, punk represents doing things in your life on your own terms regardless of popular opinion. It's about standing out and thinking for youself, about making up your own mind. With that said, my question to you is: Why isn't underoath punk? Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of underoath, I liked them with dallas, but I haven't even listened to the new cd, but I don't have a problem with them. Why isn't fall out boy punk? Didn't they play tons of small shows around chicago when they weren't even popular? When that style of music wasn't even very popular? They've done nothing but work since they started, and they got rewarded for it. I'm sorry that these bands are popular, but they are not overnight success' and don't deserve to be shunned by the scene that they grew up in. Take Green Day, they were chastised for signing to a major label, but American Idiot was a tremendous album and would never exist if they didn't do what they thought was the right thing to do and sign to a major label.

with that said, I'm sorry if I offended you or anybody else. I went about this all wrong.
Dude, what do you know about Green Day signing to a major? You were 8 when that happened.

[Branevember31]

Dude, what do you know about Green Day signing to a major? You were 8 when that happened.


what do you know about it, your 14 now...

[boysdontcry17]

lord, please rain fiery vindication upon this here thread

[Czarsy]

Dude, what do you know about Green Day signing to a major? You were 8 when that happened.
Dumbest arguement I have ever seen.

[fuckmusic]

Underoath isn't punk. Underoath is christian post hardcore. NOFX is punk.

[James Johnson]

I am so sick of this thread. The punk board has so much potential to discuss great punk bands for people who know a little more than the standard APer and for people to learn of some great bands from past and present that actually fit in the punk genre. But instead we get this shit. Let this thread die or someone please lock it.

[x togepi x]

i'm surprised it hasn't been locked

[xwisebuddhax]

this argument is simmering down, you little emo fucks are just pist off that fat mike is funnier than you. Fuckin eh dude, what happened to unity in the scene, i have 13 NoFX albums, and there is only on uO album i dont have, but nofx has done waaaaaay mor good shit than Reverend UnderOATH. So fuck you and god bless for all you underOATH Fuckers.

[x togepi x]

i don't think there was ever unity in the scene

[Kevin88]

I bet you're one of those old guys that goes to all the local shows wearing your combat boots and your leather jacket with a giant Op Ivy patch on the back talking about the good ole days and how you're the only true punk left, aren't you?



I'm sick of old elitist fucks telling me what is and isn't punk and what bands I should and shouldn't be listening to. I don't even like most of those bands, but I certainly don't need some old hack telling me that they are garbage. It's people like you, and not little groupie scene kids, that are ruining the music industry and the community behind it.


Even though you realized im only 18 it still doesn't change the fact that you cant except the fact that alot of teens are into punk when it was good. What is punk everyone asks? Being punk is not giving a shit what people think and is to piss up tight people off. Thats what nofx did, they pissed off whiney kids that believe every little thing that they learned in bible school. Now don't go saying oh your athiest then, no I am agnostic. Everyone says that is the same as being a athiest, its not its just not believing everything your told. I was raised Catholic but i dont believe in the Bible , its a story book made up by old fucks over 2000 years to mold society into what they wanted and backed it up with if you dont follow what I say then your going to hell. I believe there is a god, not a robe wearing bearded man, I believe there is a Jesus Christ. But not this man who was on the cross then flew into the sky days later into heaven. I fucking hate the fact that i was a young child during the prime of punk. I just hope it comes back around soon. I might even wear a "underoath" sucks shirt to school , just to see what the kids think. I know ill get a bunch of stares and even a few 15 year olds say some lame insult. Ill just reply with "fuck you , you emo cunt. The scene is for ****" and what will they say ? They wont say shit because they think emo is just a darker punk, Punks not dead , it'll return to another prime of sorts.

[xwisebuddhax]

sure there was unity, when there was like 3 kids in the fuckin scene

[nofx5675]

if u dont like fat mike then u dont get what punx is about the whole idea of punx is to speak ur mind and piss people off while u do it

[OisNOTdead87]

if u dont like fat mike then u dont get what punx is about the whole idea of punx is to speak ur mind and piss people off while u do it

Real punx wear spandex.

[decom_poseur]

How can you fucking choose Underoath over NoFX?!?!!? what the fuck is happening in the world...Underoath are just a watered down Refused

[decom_poseur]

if u dont like fat mike then u dont get what punx is about the whole idea of punx is to speak ur mind and piss people off while u do it

You listen to too much Rancid

[OisNOTdead87]

You listen to too much Rancid


Thats cause hes tru punx for life you posuer.

[trancedsailor]

Um, without reading any posts here...
NOFX is better

[decom_poseur]

Um, without reading any posts here...
NOFX is better

Thats the right answer

[x togepi x]

Even though you realized im only 18 it still doesn't change the fact that you cant except the fact that alot of teens are into punk when it was good. What is punk everyone asks? Being punk is not giving a shit what people think and is to piss up tight people off. Thats what nofx did, they pissed off whiney kids that believe every little thing that they learned in bible school. Now don't go saying oh your athiest then, no I am agnostic. Everyone says that is the same as being a athiest, its not its just not believing everything your told. I was raised Catholic but i dont believe in the Bible , its a story book made up by old fucks over 2000 years to mold society into what they wanted and backed it up with if you dont follow what I say then your going to hell. I believe there is a god, not a robe wearing bearded man, I believe there is a Jesus Christ. But not this man who was on the cross then flew into the sky days later into heaven. I fucking hate the fact that i was a young child during the prime of punk. I just hope it comes back around soon. I might even wear a "underoath" sucks shirt to school , just to see what the kids think. I know ill get a bunch of stares and even a few 15 year olds say some lame insult. Ill just reply with "fuck you , you emo cunt. The scene is for ****" and what will they say ? They wont say shit because they think emo is just a darker punk, Punks not dead , it'll return to another prime of sorts.

emo is more punk than whatever punk you're listening to.

[level4loser]

lock this thread


lock this thread

lock this thread


this forum has become weak and stagnant with all the 14 year olds and people who love something corporate.

turn it back into a punk forum please............................. ................

[Ilovepoprock]

hey hey hey. Let's leave something corporate out of this bullshit thread.

[notoaststereo]

nofx ftw

[Punkbassist22]

at Warped NoFx was talking a lot of shit about Underoath on stage it was awesome then it started raining! haha

[sotheysay91]

ya nofx can talk shit about any band they want, those guys kick ass, but i do like underOath and i dont hate them just cuz ther fans who diss nofx are fuckin losers

[ethan_9000]

theyre both pretty good

[James Johnson]

http://sword-masters.com/catalog/images/threadlocker.jpg

[xwisebuddhax]

http://sword-masters.com/catalog/images/threadlocker.jpg


What The Fuck??????

[OisNOTdead87]

What The Fuck??????

He wants osmebody to lock the thread, DUH!

Somebody really should though.

[James Hale]

You guys think Fat Mike cares about any of this shit.... Most likely not. NoFX is 10 times better although I do like Underoath. The 2 r completly different bands. Both r higly influential in there genre and even though Fat Mike doesnt like or jokes around with Underoath I doubt he cares or all of NoFX really cares that much. For all of you who came on and starting dissing NoFX you guys r in the punk thread. HOW R U RIPPING ON THE GUYS WHO MADE THE DECLINE! YOU CANT SAY SOMEONES NOT TALENTED WHEN THEY MAKE AN 18 MINUTE LONG PUNK ROCK SUPER SONG! Of course Fat Mike, El Hefe, Eric Melvin, and Smelly are telented. They've been around for more then 20 years. So although I know your trying to make a point don't say shit like they are not talented because that is complete bullshit.

[I <3 Jade Puget]

I personally like NOFX better..underoath isnt really my style.

[Simon Fit Tits]

Haha your name is awesome, is it supposed to be funny? :-D

[SUICIDEjolie]

One more vote for UNDEROATH! Sorry NOFX fans. I'm just not terribly fond of them.

[level4loser]

One more vote for UNDEROATH! Sorry NOFX fans. I'm just not terribly fond of them.

where is darren with his thread killing abilities when we need him?

who the hell is this girl?

[Punkbassist22]

I personally like NOFX better..underoath isnt really my style.
Now this girl is one smart one!

[alteridem1]

listen to what you want

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

listen to what you want

i know im knew

but i just read the whole thread

and i think thats the smartest post yet

[decom_poseur]

i know im knew

but i just read the whole thread

and i think thats the smartest post yet

Yet there is something not so smart about your post...

[xwisebuddhax]

Yet there is something not so smart about your post...


hahaha, good point

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

wow

my bad

*new


wow

[love_american_style]

this needs to be closed...srsly