NFL Rookies: Bust or Bust Out?

[Broken Parachute]

What do you think about this year's rookies. We can do some predictions or whatever. Bustout player is one who you think is going to be the best rookie at his position and a bust is going to be the worst rookie at his position.

Bustout QB:
Bust QB:

Bustout RB:
Bust RB:

Bustout WR:
Bust WR:

Bustout Defensive player:
Bust Defensive player:

2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year:
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year:

[LeftWideOpen]

***Keep in mind, I am referring to only the 2006 season. Long-term potential isnt being considered, only immediate expectations.

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens, Jets
Bust QB: Vince Young, Tennesee

Bustout RB: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Bust RB: Reggie Bush, NO

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson, NE
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss, NY Giants

Bustout Defensive player: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland
Bust Defensive player: Haloti Ngata, Buffalo

2006 Rookie of the Year: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Defensive ROY: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland

[Broken Parachute]

Bustout QB: Matt Leinart, ARI
Bust QB: Vince Young, TEN

Bustout RB: Laurence Maroney, NE
Bust RB: Reggie Bush, NO

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson, NE
Bust WR: Santonio Holmes, PIT

Bustout Defensive player: AJ Hawk, GB (or Johnathan Joseph, CIN)
Bust Defensive player: Donte Whitner, BUF
2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: AJ Hawk, GB
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Matt Leinart, ARI

[leftstranded]

***Keep in mind, I am referring to only the 2006 season. Long-term potential isnt being considered, only immediate expectations.

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens, Jets
Bust QB: Vince Young, Tennesee

Bustout RB: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Bust RB: Reggie Bush, NO

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson, NE
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss, NY Giants

Bustout Defensive player: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland
Bust Defensive player: Haloti Ngata, Buffalo

2006 Rookie of the Year: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
i hope your right about kamerion wimbley.....and i think it's funny that haloti ngata will probably bust yet they traded up to get him.

[leftstranded]

Bustout QB: Jay Cutler
Bust QB: Matt Lienert

Bustout RB: Deangelo Williams
Bust RB: Lendale White

Bustout WR: Santonio Holmes
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss

Bustout Defensive player: AJ HAWK!!!! GO OSU!
Bust Defensive player: Haloti Ngata

2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: AJ Hawk!
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Santonio Holmes

[AshesAshes]

Bustout QB:Vince Young "gut feeling"
Bust QB:Brodie Croyle

Bustout RB:Joseph Addai
Bust RB:

Bustout WR:Sinorice Moss
Bust WR:Santonio Holmes

Bustout Defensive player:Aj Hawk
Bust Defensive player:

2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year:Aj Hawk
[B] 2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year:Vernon Davis

[marrost]

[Bustout WR:Sinorice Moss
Bust WR:Santonio HolmesHaha I really hope this is true, since the Giants had a shot at Holmes in the first round.

[AshesAshes]

Haha I really hope this is true, since the Giants had a shot at Holmes in the first round.
Haha,its more wishful thinkin on my behalf cause most of my family are fans of the giants

[mikeford]

i think laurence maroney is gonna have a breakout year. i was very happy when the pats picked him.

[LeftWideOpen]

i think laurence maroney is gonna have a breakout year. i was very happy when the pats picked him.

i certainly wouldnt complain if he did, but i dont think he'll get the touches. Dillon is aging fast, but still hanging on ...its his job unless he goes down with an injury.

[justinevans]

***Keep in mind, I am referring to only the 2006 season. Long-term potential isnt being considered, only immediate expectations.

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens, Jets
Bust QB: Vince Young, Tennesee

Bustout RB: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Bust RB: Reggie Bush, NO

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson, NE
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss, NY Giants

Bustout Defensive player: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland
Bust Defensive player: Haloti Ngata, Buffalo

2006 Rookie of the Year: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Defensive ROY: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland

ngata is on baltimore.

[mikeford]

and i think dillon will get hurt again, so i think maroney will get his chance pretty early on.

[LeftWideOpen]

and i think dillon will get hurt again, so i think maroney will get his chance pretty early on.

very possible.

[mikeford]

hes a rundown power back. im surprised hes already so shitty but facts are facts at this point.

[bigmike]

***Keep in mind, I am referring to only the 2006 season. Long-term potential isnt being considered, only immediate expectations.

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens, Jets
Bust QB: Vince Young, Tennesee

Bustout RB: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Bust RB: Reggie Bush, NO

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson, NE
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss, NY Giants

Bustout Defensive player: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland
Bust Defensive player: Haloti Ngata, Buffalo

2006 Rookie of the Year: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Defensive ROY: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland
*Keep in mind, I am referring to only the 2006 season. Long-term potential isnt being considered, only immediate expectations.

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens, Jets
Bust QB: Vince Young, Tennesee

Bustout RB: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Bust RB: Lawrence Maroney,

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson, NE
Bust WR: Santonio Holmes, PIT

Bustout Defensive player: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland
Bust Defensive player: Mathias Kiwanuka (sp?), Giants

2006 Rookie of the Year: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Defensive ROY: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland


only a few minor changes from LWO's picks.

[LeftWideOpen]

*Keep in mind, I am referring to only the 2006 season. Long-term potential isnt being considered, only immediate expectations.

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens, Jets
Bust QB: Vince Young, Tennesee

Bustout RB: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Bust RB: Lawrence Maroney,

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson, NE
Bust WR: Santonio Holmes, PIT

Bustout Defensive player: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland
Bust Defensive player: Mathias Kiwanuka (sp?), Giants

2006 Rookie of the Year: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Defensive ROY: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland


only a few minor changes from LWO's picks.

booo, Kiwi will not be a bust! haha

if he stays healthy, he'll be a great pass rusher. hopefully hes fully healed from the injuries he sustained last year (a big fuck you goes out to that classless program they call Virginia football, who instructed their tackle to take him out).

[bigmike]

booo, Kiwi will not be a bust! haha

if he stays healthy, he'll be a great pass rusher. hopefully hes fully healed from the injuries he sustained last year (a big fuck you goes out to that classless program they call Virginia football, who instructed their tackle to take him out).
wasn't this the kid that D'Brick Ferguson dominated at the spring practices? or was that another DL?

[LeftWideOpen]

wasn't this the kid that D'Brick Ferguson dominated at the spring practices? or was that another DL?

I know Kiwanuka had a tough time during the Senior Bowl, but that was because he was still hurt. If he can stay off the injured list, he'll be great.

[bigmike]

I know Kiwanuka had a tough time during the Senior Bowl, but that was because he was still hurt. If he can stay off the injured list, he'll be great.
yeah. His injury history just makes me think he won't be a good pro. he's got the skills no doubt, though.

[LeftWideOpen]

yeah. His injury history just makes me think he won't be a good pro. he's got the skills no doubt, though.

it's a fair point to make. i'm definitely rooting for him though, because he's a great guy. hes always worked his ass off at BC.

[Broken Parachute]

His father was like the president of his country or whatever and got asassinated

[mikeford]

mathias is the best player in the draft when you import ncaa 06's draft class to madden

not that it means anything.

[bigmike]

mathias is the best player in the draft when you import ncaa 06's draft class to madden

not that it means anything.
haha, if we go by your madden standards, wouldn't marcus vick be like a good saftey or something?

[Drew Beringer]

All I know is that AJ Hawk is gonna be the defensive roty.

[xbrokendownx]

haha, if we go by your madden standards, wouldn't marcus vick be like a good saftey or something?






marcus vick is a "specialist," thank you. :)


hes been playing WR and KR/PR i believe

[bigmike]

marcus vick is a "specialist," thank you. :)


hes been playing WR and KR/PR i believe
yeah, but mikeford used to post about using him as a saftey in the NFL on madden and that he was pretty good.

[justinevans]

All I know is that AJ Hawk is gonna be the defensive roty.

he's going to get hurt in week 4

[Spicoli hey bud]

Defensive ROTY: Jason Allen

[Jesse2]

Bust Defensive player: Haloti Ngata, Ravens

fixed

[LeftWideOpen]

fixed

i know i know, i did this off the top of my head before i remembered that the Bills took a page out of the Knicks book and drafted Whitner 15 spots early.

[Jesse2]

i know i know, i did this off the top of my head before i remembered that the Bills took a page out of the Knicks book and drafted Whitner 15 spots early.

i wish i could forget that...

/sigh

[Broken Parachute]

I still think Whitner is going to be the biggest disappointment. I hope Michael Huff has a good season, too. I like him.

[leftstranded]

All I know is that AJ Hawk is gonna be the defensive roty.
yes!!!! GO OSU!!!

[ThriftWhore]

SO happy this thread was made. Only for 2006 Season though, not the future.

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens, Jets
Bust QB: Vince Young, Titans

Bustout RB: Deangelo Williams, Panthers
Bust RB: Laurence Maroney, Patriots

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson, Patriots
Bust WR: Santonio Holmes, Steelers

Bustout Defensive player: AJ Hawk, Packers
Bust Defensive player: Antonio Cromartie, Chargers

2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: AJ Hawk, Packers
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Deangelo Williams, Panthers

[fcknazisympathy]

I still think Whitner is going to be the biggest disappointment. I hope Michael Huff has a good season, too. I like him.
How can you say that when the Bills ALSO drafted John McCargo, who most teams had going in the 3rd round.

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens
Bust QB: Vince Young

Bustout RB: Laurence Maroney
Bust RB: Deangelo Williams

Bustout WR: Sinorice Moss
Bust WR: Santonio Holmes

Bustout Def Player: AJ Hawk
Bust Def Player: Haloti Ngata

Off ROY: Reggie Bush
Def ROY: AJ Hawk

[ThriftWhore]

How can you say that when the Bills ALSO drafted John McCargo, who most teams had going in the 3rd round.
I gotta agree that was a bad idea, but Cromartie to the Chargers in the first round? He didn't even play at all last year.

[fcknazisympathy]

I gotta agree that was a bad idea, but Cromartie to the Chargers in the first round? He didn't even play at all last year.

However, Cromartie when he did play showed 1st round talent, McCargo never showed that and was only taken high because of Mario Williams (who I also think will be a bust) and Manny Lawson (who has the potential to be a good hybrid in 3-4 def)

[KB3RG]

as most people have done, this is for this year

Bustout QB: Leinart : as soon as he takes over for Kurt. THat is if he does this season. He has all the weapons around him
Bust QB: Vince Young. He will need a few years to showcase his talent and will be rushed into the season when Volek does not lead the team to many wins

Bustout RB: D Williams: He carried the load in college. Now he has less of a load with a team with a passing game too
Bust RB: LenDale White: Titans have 2 other RB that will be playing over him at the current time. Brown wants out. If his work ethic does not become any better. Do I hear Clarett Jr?

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson: Brady + Jackson = TD
Bust WR: Holmes: I do not think he will be able to read the defenses and get open to wear Ben can get him the ball

Bustout Defensive player: AJ Hawk : He was a beast in college and will carry over to a great career in the NFL
Bust Defensive player: Ngata : Its hard to choose defensive bust. With the ravens defense he very well could be taught well but I dont think hes ready for the NFL yes

2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: Dwilliams
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Hawk

[bigmike]

as most people have done, this is for this year

Bustout QB: Leinart : as soon as he takes over for Kurt. THat is if he does this season. He has all the weapons around him
Bust QB: Vince Young. He will need a few years to showcase his talent and will be rushed into the season when Volek does not lead the team to many wins

Bustout RB: D Williams: He carried the load in college. Now he has less of a load with a team with a passing game too
Bust RB: LenDale White: Titans have 2 other RB that will be playing over him at the current time. Brown wants out. If his work ethic does not become any better. Do I hear Clarett Jr?

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson: Brady + Jackson = TD
Bust WR: Holmes: I do not think he will be able to read the defenses and get open to wear Ben can get him the ball

Bustout Defensive player: AJ Hawk : He was a beast in college and will carry over to a great career in the NFL
Bust Defensive player: Ngata : Its hard to choose defensive bust. With the ravens defense he very well could be taught well but I dont think hes ready for the NFL yes

2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: Dwilliams
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Hawk
I don't get the Lendale to clarett comparision.

and brian bosworth was a beast in college. that didn't carry over to the NFL.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

***Keep in mind, I am referring to only the 2006 season. Long-term potential isnt being considered, only immediate expectations.

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens, Jets
Bust QB: Vince Young, Tennesee

Bustout RB: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Bust RB: Reggie Bush, NO

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson, NE
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss, NY Giants

Bustout Defensive player: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland
Bust Defensive player: Haloti Ngata, Buffalo

2006 Rookie of the Year: DeAngelo Williams, Carolina
Defensive ROY: Kamerion Wimbley, Cleveland

Haloti Ngata isn't on the Bills, and we didn't trade up to get him. That was John McCargo.

Only thing I'm voting on:

Bustout Defensive Player: Donte Whitner, Buffalo

[LeftWideOpen]

Haloti Ngata isn't on the Bills, and we didn't trade up to get him. That was John McCargo.

Only thing I'm voting on:

Bustout Defensive Player: Donte Whitner, Buffalo

yes, this has already been discussed ...i realize baltimore took ngata.

[Caleb Cattivera]

whatever touchdown numbers bush puts up, lendale white will double.

[FondestMemory]

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens
Bust QB: Vince Young, obviously. Jay Cutler in a few years.

Bustout RB: DeAngelo Williams, Joseph Addai
Bust RB: Maurice Drew, Brian Calhoun


Bustout WR: Derek Hagan, Santonio Holmes
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss


Bustout Defensive player: AJ Hawk is obvious. Ernie Sims, Anthony Smith, Jason Allan
Bust Defensive player: Jonathan Joseph, Antonio Cromartie, Manny Lawson


2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: AJ Hawk
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Vernon Davis

[bigmike]

Bustout QB: Kellen Clemens
Bust QB: Vince Young, obviously. Jay Cutler in a few years.

Bustout RB: DeAngelo Williams, Joseph Addai
Bust RB: Maurice Drew, Brian Calhoun


Bustout WR: Derek Hagan, Santonio Holmes
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss


Bustout Defensive player: AJ Hawk is obvious. Ernie Sims, Anthony Smith, Jason Allan
Bust Defensive player: Jonathan Joseph, Antonio Cromartie, Manny Lawson


2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: AJ Hawk
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Vernon Davis
i'm really hoping brian calhoun doesn't see any playing time because each second on the field is time being taken away from Kevin Jones.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

yes, this has already been discussed ...i realize baltimore took ngata.
Alright well now I've got a bone to pick about Whitner.

He might not have warranted the #8 pick, but the staff wanted him and they believe his skill set is tailor-made for the Tampa 2 defense. All he has to do is not be a giant fuck up, and we'll all be happy.

[FondestMemory]

Alright well now I've got a bone to pick about Whitner.

He might not have warranted the #8 pick, but the staff wanted him and they believe his skill set is tailor-made for the Tampa 2 defense. All he has to do is not be a giant fuck up, and we'll all be happy.

he'll be a very good pro. but he'd have been just as good a pro if they'd have traded down about 8-10 spots to get him.

[LeftWideOpen]

he'll be a very good pro. but he'd have been just as good a pro if they'd have traded down about 8-10 spots to get him.

my sentiments, exactly. but hey, at least they got a good pro in the end ...theyjust could have gotten more for their money if they traded down.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

he'll be a very good pro. but he'd have been just as good a pro if they'd have traded down about 8-10 spots to get him.
how can you say for sure, unless you were in the war room, that he would have still been there 8-10 spots later?

PS...notice the black X through the Bills logo (for my sentiments about the McCargo pick). I just think that one day, hopefully in the next 2-3 years, Whitner will look more than deserving of being the #8 pick.

[LeftWideOpen]

how can you say for sure, unless you were in the war room, that he would have still been there 8-10 spots later?

PS...notice the black X through the Bills logo (for my sentiments about the McCargo pick). I just think that one day, hopefully in the next 2-3 years, Whitner will look more than deserving of being the #8 pick.

i can't say for sure that hitler killed jews because i wasnt anne frank, but i can come to that conclusion by doing 30 seconds of research.

you dont have to be in the middle of something to have any understanding of the situation. whitner wasnt that high on anyone's board and no pick caused more confusion than that.

[bigmike]

i can't say for sure that hitler killed jews because i wasnt anne frank, but i can come to that conclusion by doing 30 seconds of research.

you dont have to be in the middle of something to have any understanding of the situation. whitner wasnt that high on anyone's board and no pick caused more confusion than that.
haha. wow. theclearstuff with columbine references in the other thread about who the funniest person in the Sports Forum is, and now a holocaust reference. wow.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i can't say for sure that hitler killed jews because i wasnt anne frank, but i can come to that conclusion by doing 30 seconds of research.

you dont have to be in the middle of something to have any understanding of the situation. whitner wasnt that high on anyone's board and no pick caused more confusion than that.
Maybe whatever people were offering to trade down just wasn't worth it and they decided:

"Hey - we released Lawyer Milloy. We have a big fucking need at SS. Is it more important to get the guy WE think will be perfect there, or get who Mel Kiper and everyone else THINKS we should take here?"

[FondestMemory]

how can you say for sure, unless you were in the war room, that he would have still been there 8-10 spots later?

PS...notice the black X through the Bills logo (for my sentiments about the McCargo pick). I just think that one day, hopefully in the next 2-3 years, Whitner will look more than deserving of being the #8 pick.

he wouldn't have went any earlier than 15. the only team that would have looked into him before that would have been detroit, but sims was a better pick for them and even as dumb as they are, i don't think they'd have used a top 10 on whitner.

even at 15, atlanta wanted tye hill. they possibly would have considered it, so they'd have been the ones to trade with, or somebody before them.

miami got jason allen at 16, and i think he's gonna be the best db taken in the first round. it'll be between him and huff. but i'd have questioned allen at 8 less than whitner. and i'm a huge whitner fan. go buckeyes. i'm glad he went top 10, but i think it was a big reach.

when it's all said and done though, he'll be a very worthy first round pick. i just think they could have at least picked up another pick in a later round to move down a few spots and still get him.

the mccargo pick on the other hand, i can't come up with an argument to justify that.

[leftstranded]

i think everyone is in agreeance that aj hawk will make the biggest impact as a rookie

[LeftWideOpen]

Maybe whatever people were offering to trade down just wasn't worth it and they decided:

"Hey - we released Lawyer Milloy. We have a big fucking need at SS. Is it more important to get the guy WE think will be perfect there, or get who Mel Kiper and everyone else THINKS we should take here?"

like I said 4 or 5 posts up ...they got a good football player in the end and thats whats most important. but, they did ruin a chance to add another pick or two and still get whitner in the process.

[bigmike]

i think everyone is in agreeance that aj hawk will make the biggest impact as a rookie
nope. i think Kellen Clemens may make the biggest impact. and the biggest Defensive Impact i think will be Kamerian Wimbley. LeftWideOpen and i agreed alot on our picks.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

like I said 4 or 5 posts up ...they got a good football player in the end and thats whats most important. but, they did ruin a chance to add another pick or two and still get whitner in the process.
Honestly the only NEED they have, or had, is LT.

Obviously, this could change depending on how the young guys/FA's perform at LG and C, and especially at DT.

And until they put a real O-line in front of Losman, I write him off as a bust.

[1moreandimfree]

I just traded Deangelo Williams on my fantasy team for Cedric Benson. Dumb?

[FondestMemory]

nope. i think Kellen Clemens may make the biggest impact. and the biggest Defensive Impact i think will be Kamerian Wimbley. LeftWideOpen and i agreed alot on our picks.

i think wimbley will be good, but i don't think he's gonna have a breakout season this year. i think it'll take him a year or so to get into the flow of the defense. even then, i just think he'll be solid and never be a star.

i still think greenway should have been their pick in that spot. to me, he made more sense there.

[leftstranded]

I just traded Deangelo Williams on my fantasy team for Cedric Benson. Dumb?
no. benson is starting

[FondestMemory]

Honestly the only NEED they have, or had, is LT.

Obviously, this could change depending on how the young guys/FA's perform at LG and C, and especially at DT.

And until they put a real O-line in front of Losman, I write him off as a bust.

if you're picking in the top 10 of the draft without trading up, you have a lot more than one need.

sure, that team underachieves a good bit, but they have quite a few more holes to fill than just left tackle.

[1moreandimfree]

no. benson is starting

i know that.. but everyone in this thread seems to think that williams is going to be great.

[bigmike]

i think wimbley will be good, but i don't think he's gonna have a breakout season this year. i think it'll take him a year or so to get into the flow of the defense. even then, i just think he'll be solid and never be a star.

i still think greenway should have been their pick in that spot. to me, he made more sense there.
yeah. I don't know, maybe it's because he's a buckeye or something, but i can't get behind the AJ Hawk is the best LB ever train and whatnot. I think he'll be solid but not Urlacher, Zach Thomas, Ray Lewis type LB.

[1moreandimfree]

Greenway > Hawk.

and yes, i'm a homer.

[FondestMemory]

yeah. I don't know, maybe it's because he's a buckeye or something, but i can't get behind the AJ Hawk is the best LB ever train and whatnot. I think he'll be solid but not Urlacher, Zach Thomas, Ray Lewis type LB.

admit it. you're just jealous cause you wish you were fucking brady quinn's manly sister.

you're amongst friends. you can stop hiding it.

[bigmike]

admit it. you're just jealous cause you wish you were fucking brady quinn's manly sister.

you're amongst friends. you can stop hiding it.
haha. i would use that chick to get to her younger, hotter sister.

[FondestMemory]

haha. i would use that chick to get to her younger, hotter sister.

and to brady. don't lie.

'hey, demand a trade to detroit or i'll show you video of me fucking both your sisters.'

[bigmike]

and to brady. don't lie.

'hey, demand a trade to detroit or i'll show you video of me fucking both your sisters.'
haha. now that's something i would do.

[leftstranded]

i know that.. but everyone in this thread seems to think that williams is going to be great.
not sold on him just yet. deshawn foster is going to run the whole year. i have no doubt in my mind

[leftstranded]

nope. i think Kellen Clemens may make the biggest impact. and the biggest Defensive Impact i think will be Kamerian Wimbley. LeftWideOpen and i agreed alot on our picks.
that's so tough too cause i love kamerian wimbley being that he's with cleveland. but i still have to think that aj is going to be the most outstanding rookie defensilvely

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

if you're picking in the top 10 of the draft without trading up, you have a lot more than one need.

sure, that team underachieves a good bit, but they have quite a few more holes to fill than just left tackle.
They're solid at CB (Clements, McGee, Youboty, Greer) , LB, (Fletcher, Spikes, Crowell, Posey) and 1/2 of the D-line(Schobel, Tripplett) . WR (Evans -- Martin Nance), RB (McGahee, Anthony Thomas) , RG (Villarrial/Duke Preston) and RT (Jason Peters) are solid too. TE could be promising with the blocker (Royal) and receiver (Everett) combo.

Losman will be a good QB if they can get the left side of the O-line (Mike Gandy - Tutan Reyes - Melvin Fowler) to work together like Chris V and Jason Peters do.

That team last year was an absolute underachiever, and alot of it had to do with Mularkey's lame duck coaching - HB draw on 3rd and 22 anyone? Now, I'm not saying that this is a playoff team-- in fact I know they'll pick high again next year. But it's less of a "need" situation and more of a situation where they need to pick up guys that will fit the new coaching regime's system.

[KB3RG]

Brady's sister are both hot. I would feel sorry if Detroit does get him. Maybe he could turn them around?

Aj and Wimbley will both be great players.

Williams was amazing for Memphis. We shall see if Foster can stay healthy enough to play all the games. Maybe Williams will just pass him on the depth chart? time will tell

OSU always, ALWAYS puts out great secondary players. So I am sold that Whitner will not be a bust. He is a good talent. I agree that maybe they should have traded down a bit but maybe some other team saw what Buffalo did and thats why they took him early

Buffalo picked up Martin Nance? If they did. great pick. He was great for Miami(OH) good quick route runner

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Brady's sister are both hot. I would feel sorry if Detroit does get him. Maybe he could turn them around?

Aj and Wimbley will both be great players.

Williams was amazing for Memphis. We shall see if Foster can stay healthy enough to play all the games. Maybe Williams will just pass him on the depth chart? time will tell

OSU always, ALWAYS puts out great secondary players. So I am sold that Whitner will not be a bust. He is a good talent. I agree that maybe they should have traded down a bit but maybe some other team saw what Buffalo did and thats why they took him early

Buffalo picked up Martin Nance? If they did. great pick. He was great for Miami(OH) good quick route runner
Buffalo picked up Martin Nance UNDRAFTED.

There's no doubt in my mind that he makes the roster. They built a receiving corps based on blazing speed, but other than Nance, they're all like, 6'1 or 6'2. Nance being 6'5 and us needing that big target will earn him a roster spot.

[.mattie.]

Bustout QB: Vince Young
Bust QB: Kellen Clemens

Bustout RB: Lindale White
Bust RB: Reggie Bush

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson
Bust WR: Santonio Holmes

Bustout Defensive player: AJ Hawk
Bust Defensive player: Michel Huff
2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: AJ Hawk
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Lindale White

[silentgoodbye]

Bustout QB: Matt Leinhart
Bust QB: Marcus Vick (Automatic Bust for anybody that picks him up)

Bustout RB: Lendale White (Everyone already knows about Reggie. Not like that would be a bust out)
Bust RB: Joseph Addai

Bustout WR: Chad Jackson
Bust WR: Devin Hester

Bustout Defensive player: Darnell Bing
Bust Defensive player: Michael Huff

2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: Kelly Jennings
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Reggie Bush

[KB3RG]

Buffalo picked up Martin Nance UNDRAFTED.

There's no doubt in my mind that he makes the roster. They built a receiving corps based on blazing speed, but other than Nance, they're all like, 6'1 or 6'2. Nance being 6'5 and us needing that big target will earn him a roster spot.

I dont know what type of speed he has but I saw him when Big Ben was still the QB for Miami(OH) vs BG and Nance ripped us apart. I mean yes its BGs CB and secondary who is not that fastest but I know the guy was quick to do that. So that was a great pick up especially when I saw some mock drafts having nance go end of the first to Pitt. To go undrafted I wonder what he did at the combine or what made him drop. But very key pick up

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I dont know what type of speed he has but I saw him when Big Ben was still the QB for Miami(OH) vs BG and Nance ripped us apart. I mean yes its BGs CB and secondary who is not that fastest but I know the guy was quick to do that. So that was a great pick up especially when I saw some mock drafts having nance go end of the first to Pitt. To go undrafted I wonder what he did at the combine or what made him drop. But very key pick up
I think he ran like a 4.58 40.

And teams had concerns about his knee.

Buffalo's had good history with knee injuries: Thurman Thomas, Willis McGahee, Lee Evans.

[KB3RG]

I think he ran like a 4.58 40.

And teams had concerns about his knee.

Buffalo's had good history with knee injuries: Thurman Thomas, Willis McGahee, Lee Evans.

Pros: Good size-speed combo at 6'5" and is rumored to have run as low as 4.35. Can totally dominate games with his ability. Will use his size to fight off receivers for the ball. Is a great red-zone target (14 TDs this year) and rarely drops balls.
Cons: Average leaping ability (34.5 inches); was injured seriously in the 2004 season which forced him to miss all of the season. Sometimes he catches the ball more with his body than his hands. Can lose his focus sometimes and have an off game. Speed is not as great as was thought.
SIZE-9
SPEED-8
STRENGTH-6
ATHLETICISM-8
XFACTOR-7
Pojected round 3

That was according to nflfans.com yeah but his speed is a 4.58ish.

As for the injury bug he will shake it off hopefully. I love seeing MAC players come into the NFL and contribute

[Rock]

all of you that jumped on the "let's pick holmes as a bust" bandwagon can eat me. i hope he proves all of you wrong.

[KB3RG]

all of you that jumped on the "let's pick holmes as a bust" bandwagon can eat me. i hope he proves all of you wrong.
I am a Buckeye fan. I liked Holmes. I hope he can get his off field problems under hand. I dont think Ben is that great of a QB. I still think Pitt is a ran first team. They dont have the bus to wear down a team. I think Parker got lucky and Duece will be alright. They dont have Randel el throw in really any trick plays either.

Then you have to think of the other WRs in the draft. Most people in this forum are going by first and second round. You expect your first few rounds to produce right away. To say bust someone could just say Todd Watkins from BYU- in the 7th round. So if we go by the first 2 rounds. Theres only Moss, Holmes, Jackson, Greg Jennings

[bigmike]

I am a Buckeye fan. I liked Holmes. I hope he can get his off field problems under hand. I dont think Ben is that great of a QB. I still think Pitt is a ran first team. They dont have the bus to wear down a team. I think Parker got lucky and Duece will be alright. They dont have Randel el throw in really any trick plays either.

Then you have to think of the other WRs in the draft. Most people in this forum is going by first and second round. You expect your first few rounds to produce right away. To say bust someone could just say Todd Watkins from BYU- in the 7th round. So if we go bye the first 2 rounds. Theres only Moss, Holmes, Jackson, Greg Jennings
Greg Jennings will do good things in Green Bay.

Also, fantasy wise, if you need another tight end, pick up Tony Scheffler from Denver. Dude will be replacing Jed Putzier as the starting TE and shanahan expects him to make an impact immediately. he's got good speed and hands for a TE. should have a solid season.

[Fat Kid Running]

alrite i havent been following this thread, but what does everyone think of leonard pope? i didnt get a chance to see him play much in college

[livethesounds]

Bustout QB: Jay Cutler
Bust QB: Matt Lienert

Bustout RB: Deangelo Williams
Bust RB: Lendale White

Bustout WR: Santonio Holmes
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss

Bustout Defensive player: AJ HAWK!!!! GO OSU!
Bust Defensive player: Haloti Ngata

2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: AJ Hawk!
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Santonio Holmes

and we are assuming both of those guys will see a fair amount of playing time?
If plummer dosent play like he did in the AFC championship game, then Cutler wont see a snap unless its a blowout game.
Linehart is a backup, i know Warner is very injury prone, but this team has a chance to suceed, if warner stays healthy there not gonna just switch qbs mid season because he was their 1st round pick, especially if they are in contention, witch im sure they will be.

Bustout QB: Vince Young TEN
Bust QB: Kellen Clemens NYJ

Bustout RB: Deangelo Williams CAR
Bust RB: Joseph Addai IND

Bustout WR: Santonio Homes PIT
Bust WR: Sinorice Moss NYJ

Bustout Defensive player: AJ Hawk GB
Bust Defensive player: Mario Williams HOU

2006 Defensive Rookie of the Year: AJ Hawk
2006 Offensive Rookie of the Year: Vince Young TEN

[FondestMemory]

I am a Buckeye fan. I liked Holmes. I hope he can get his off field problems under hand. I dont think Ben is that great of a QB. I still think Pitt is a ran first team. They dont have the bus to wear down a team. I think Parker got lucky and Duece will be alright. They dont have Randel el throw in really any trick plays either.

Then you have to think of the other WRs in the draft. Most people in this forum are going by first and second round. You expect your first few rounds to produce right away. To say bust someone could just say Todd Watkins from BYU- in the 7th round. So if we go by the first 2 rounds. Theres only Moss, Holmes, Jackson, Greg Jennings

what are you not sold on as ben being a great quarterback? dude's lost four games as a starter in two years. he's not gonna put up the kind of numbers a manning does, but he'll win games. and in the end, i think wins lead to greatness more than stats do.

pittsburgh is a run first team, they always will be. but they still throw the ball a fair amount. and they're always a threat for deep plays. that's where santonio will come in handy. he'll be their primary deep threat. they'll pound away with deuce and willie getting 3-5 yards a play then all of a sudden get a 40 yard completion. that's how the team works. santonio will get his chances. ben can throw the deep ball, and he loved throwing deep to plax in year one. and santonio is the same kind of receiver as burress, with the potential to be better.

and i'm tired of people thinking the steelers won't run trick plays just because randle el's gone. cowher has always been known for running trick plays. he ran them before randle el, and he'll run them after. hines was also a college qb, so he has the ability. plus they picked up uber-athlete omar jacobs who could be used as a decoy or a threat.

i'm not saying holmes is gonna be an instant superstar. but he won't be asked to do much, and he's more than capable of doing what he'll be asked to do, so i have a hard time agreeing that he'll be a bust.

[Rock]

Bustout WR: Santonio Homes PIT
thank you

what are you not sold on as ben being a great quarterback? dude's lost four games as a starter in two years. he's not gonna put up the kind of numbers a manning does, but he'll win games. and in the end, i think wins lead to greatness more than stats do.

pittsburgh is a run first team, they always will be. but they still throw the ball a fair amount. and they're always a threat for deep plays. that's where santonio will come in handy. he'll be their primary deep threat. they'll pound away with deuce and willie getting 3-5 yards a play then all of a sudden get a 40 yard completion. that's how the team works. santonio will get his chances. ben can throw the deep ball, and he loved throwing deep to plax in year one. and santonio is the same kind of receiver as burress, with the potential to be better.

and i'm tired of people thinking the steelers won't run trick plays just because randle el's gone. cowher has always been known for running trick plays. he ran them before randle el, and he'll run them after. hines was also a college qb, so he has the ability. plus they picked up uber-athlete omar jacobs who could be used as a decoy or a threat.

i'm not saying holmes is gonna be an instant superstar. but he won't be asked to do much, and he's more than capable of doing what he'll be asked to do, so i have a hard time agreeing that he'll be a bust.
and thank you.