Steroids in Baseball

[leftstranded]

ok i just wanted to get this out there because i've had this feeling for a long time

Honestly i see people talking so much shit on bonds about steroids(and a lot of this coming from the media) but no one talking shit about the rest of baseball who was probably on steroids at that time. There have been estimates that close to 70% or higher were on steroids. Yet no one is jumping down there back.....and i even hear people praising people who were probably on steroids and than trashing bonds within a few min.

This isn't twards anyone in here i'm just wandering if anyone has seen the same thing i have.

[bigmike]

who would you say are the ones that no one bashes? McGwire? Sosa? Palmeiro? Canseco?

[ActorInThisPlay]

ok i just wanted to get this out there because i've had this feeling for a long time

Honestly i see people talking so much shit on bonds about steroids(and a lot of this coming from the media) but no one talking shit about the rest of baseball who was probably on steroids at that time. There have been estimates that close to 70% or higher were on steroids. Yet no one is jumping down there back.....and i even hear people praising people who were probably on steroids and than trashing bonds within a few min.

This isn't twards anyone in here i'm just wandering if anyone has seen the same thing i have.
:appl:

this is basically what I have been saying since the whole Bonds controversy has come up.

[The Matt Kaufman]

I think a lot of guys were on steroids..maybe Piazza back in his heyday..hell even Beltran might be on something the way all of the sudden hes hitting..

[CROMagnon]

I think a lot of guys were on steroids..maybe Piazza back in his heyday..hell even Beltran might be on something the way all of the sudden hes hitting..
my grandfather has repeatedly made that comment about piazza, but i don't know...i don't like the guy, but he was fairly consistent, and his recent inability to keep up with those numbers can easily be attributed to playing as a catcher and age catching up with him
but i'd say you're right, especially since the last couple decades have seen baseball focus more on offense
/stating the obvious

[The Matt Kaufman]

my grandfather has repeatedly made that comment about piazza, but i don't know...i don't like the guy, but he was fairly consistent, and his recent inability to keep up with those numbers can easily be attributed to playing as a catcher and age catching up with him
but i'd say you're right, especially since the last couple decades have seen baseball focus more on offense
/stating the obvious

Yeah I wouldnt doubt in his prime and even towards the end (98 99 2000 2001) maybe he was on something but with him playing catcher and wearing down because of it obviously now hes not on it. But I agree with you with him possibly doing it during his prime.

i really hope Sosa wasn't on anything

i love him

He was a personality even more than McGwire and brought a lot of fans back..too bad hes pretty broken and got real bad publicity with the corked bat

[Jesse2]

ok i just wanted to get this out there because i've had this feeling for a long time

Honestly i see people talking so much shit on bonds about steroids(and a lot of this coming from the media) but no one talking shit about the rest of baseball who was probably on steroids at that time. There have been estimates that close to 70% or higher were on steroids. Yet no one is jumping down there back.....and i even hear people praising people who were probably on steroids and than trashing bonds within a few min.

This isn't twards anyone in here i'm just wandering if anyone has seen the same thing i have.

70% of baseball players aren't approaching one of the biggest records in sports.

Let's not forget that almost all of the sluggers from that era have retired, and no longer pose any sort of threat to baseball.

[CROMagnon]

i really hope Sosa wasn't on anything

i love him
sosa's line at what i like to call "the hinge" of his career:
1997 162 games 642 ab 161 hits 36 hr
1998 159 games 643 ab 198 hits 66 hr

...
i mean, it could have been the bat, but that's a heavy shift

[CROMagnon]

Yeah I wouldnt doubt in his prime and even towards the end (98 99 2000 2001) maybe he was on something but with him playing catcher and wearing down because of it obviously now hes not on it. But I agree with you with him possibly doing it during his prime.

actually i was trying to say that i can't see him doing it, and agreeing with you on the other part about "a lot of guys"

[The Matt Kaufman]

yeah, thats why it sucks :(

go Cubs haha

that McGwire/Sosa race brought a lot of people back, it was such a fun time in baseball
It was..didnt a reporter see a growth hormone in McGwire's locker once, question him, and he got all nasty about it? Does anyone else remember this happening?

I remember exactly where I was when McGwire hit #62. 9:08 on Tuesday September 8,1998. Sat right on the couch and witness it barely clear the wall.

The date of course I remember since I was bar mitzvah'd two days before :rolleyes:

[LeftWideOpen]

70% of baseball players aren't approaching one of the biggest records in sports.

Let's not forget that almost all of the sluggers from that era have retired, and no longer pose any sort of threat to baseball.

i still worry that a significant percentage have just shifted over to HGH and nothing has really been resolved.

[The Matt Kaufman]

i still worry that a significant percentage have just shifted over to HGH and nothing has really been resolved.

I agree..does that make you as buff?

[leftstranded]

who would you say are the ones that no one bashes? McGwire? Sosa? Palmeiro? Canseco?
not just them. basically everyone. there were tons more people that did steriods than those few that we know about

[leftstranded]

:appl:

this is basically what I have been saying since the whole Bonds controversy has come up.
glad to see i'm not the only one

[leftstranded]

70% of baseball players aren't approaching one of the biggest records in sports.

Let's not forget that almost all of the sluggers from that era have retired, and no longer pose any sort of threat to baseball.
just because he's approaching a record doesn't give anyone the right to single him out. i don't care if it's the biggest record in sports or not. go after EVERYONE that did them. not just him

it's not fair to him that he's the only one being really persecuted when tons of people did them.....even some of your greatest beloved pitchers

[Jesse2]

just because he's approaching a record doesn't give anyone the right to single him out. i don't care if it's the biggest record in sports or not. go after EVERYONE that did them. not just him

it's not fair to him that he's the only one being really persecuted when tons of people did them.....even some of your greatest beloved pitchers

I think you totally missed my point.

Bonds is the ONLY one of those dudes still playing. OBVIOUSLY mlb and the fans of mlb are going to care more about someone continuing to taint the game than people (who could very well be equally guilty) who have since retired.

Is Bonds the only person who has ever done steroids? Of course not.

Does he hold the single season record for HRs? Yes

Is he approaching Aaron's record? Slowly, but yes.

This is why he's a threat. Try and understand the difference. Oh, and he's a dickhead, that doesn't help.

[bigmike]

not just them. basically everyone. there were tons more people that did steriods than those few that we know about
who are you going to go back and nit-pick through? everyone's villified the ones with circumstantial evidence surrounding them. but it's hard as fuck to go back and pick out who was on roids and who wasn't based purely on speculation.

[ActorInThisPlay]

70% of baseball players aren't approaching one of the biggest records in sports.

Let's not forget that almost all of the sluggers from that era have retired, and no longer pose any sort of threat to baseball.
so you're assuming that no one in baseball is doing steroids now?

[Jesse2]

so you're assuming that no one in baseball is doing steroids now?

are you retarded?

[LeftWideOpen]

are you retarded?

no, hes just a barry bonds supporter

make of that what you will

[ActorInThisPlay]

are you retarded?
you said no one poses a threat to baseball besides Bonds...did you not? that is assuming no one around today is using steroids. do you seriously not understand that?

[Jesse2]

you said no one poses a threat to baseball besides Bonds...did you not? that is assuming no one around today is using steroids. do you seriously not understand that?

Actually, I said none of the "sluggers from that era" are still in the game. Ergo... none of them are a threat to hold or break any records.

Learn how to read, numbnuts.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Actually, I said none of the "sluggers from that era" are still in the game. Ergo... none of them are a threat to hold or break any records.

Learn how to read, numbnuts.
is it that time of the month?

[LeftWideOpen]

is it that time of the month?

no, its the kid he has to argue with.

[Jesse2]

is it that time of the month?

good one.

[The Matt Kaufman]

much more entertaining than the work I am doing

[ActorInThisPlay]

no, its the kid he has to argue with.
hahahaha kid....hahaha you cracked me up there. I am far from a kid buddy.

[LeftWideOpen]

hahahaha kid....hahaha you cracked me up there. I am far from a kid buddy.

why does everyone get all high and mighty about their age when someone mentions the word kid? Jesus, would you have prefered I said "macho man" or "guy"? Bottom line is your argument sucked and then you resorted to petty cheap shots.

[imirish06]

HGH and steroids are as common in professional baseball as big league chew and david sunflower seeds

[ActorInThisPlay]

why does everyone get all high and mighty about their age when someone mentions the word kid? Jesus, would you have prefered I said "macho man" or "guy"? Bottom line is your argument sucked and then you resorted to petty cheap shots.
I didn't have an argument...the way he worded his post it sounded like he thought Bonds was the only person in baseball doing steroids that we had to worry about so I pointed it out. he's the one that flipped his shit... sorry if I misinterpreted it. sorry but I don't like being called "kid." I have a name which is in my sig which you can use and being 22 I really don't think kid is warranted.

[bigmike]

why does everyone get all high and mighty about their age when someone mentions the word kid? Jesus, would you have prefered I said "macho man" or "guy"? Bottom line is your argument sucked and then you resorted to petty cheap shots.
all i got out of this was a rememberance of watching Macho Man Randy Savage wrestle when i was like 10. oh those were the days.


HGH and steroids are as common in professional baseball as big league chew and david sunflower seeds
ban Sunflower seeds and big league chew!

[ActorInThisPlay]

all i got out of this was a rememberance of watching Macho Man Randy Savage wrestle when i was like 10. oh those were the days.



ban Sunflower seeds and big league chew!
haha seriously...that's like that commercial on TV that says that tobacco companies wanted to ban sleep because most people die in their sleep.

[Jesse2]

I didn't have an argument...the way he worded his post it sounded like he thought Bonds was the only person in baseball doing steroids that we had to worry about so I pointed it out. he's the one that flipped his shit... sorry if I misinterpreted it. sorry but I don't like being called "kid." I have a name which is in my sig which you can use and being 22 I really don't think kid is warranted.

haha, i hardly "flipped my shit".

it's just funny when you bonds-homers can't carry on a conversation without reciting the same 2 generic lines.

[Adeniz19]

i'm sure there is still younger players that have taken steroids that can still pose a threat. i'm not going to throw any names out because i don't know but i'm sure there are some who think they are smarter then the system

[imirish06]

I agree..does that make you as buff?


steroids promote muscle growth via hypertrophy
human growth hormone just promotes new muscle cells...and with new muscle cells, greater hypertrophy can occur


it's also really hard to detect and can be used with out cycling it

[ActorInThisPlay]

haha, i hardly "flipped my shit".

it's just funny when you bonds-homers can't carry on a conversation without reciting the same 2 generic lines.
which are what?

[bigmike]

steroids promote muscle growth via hypertrophy
human growth hormone just promotes new muscle cells...and with new muscle cells, greater hypertrophy can occur


it's also really hard to detect and can be used with out cycling it
correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think there is a test for HGH, is there?

[Jesse2]

which are what?

1)where's all the rock-solid proof?
2)you think he's the only player on steroids?

i'm sure there is still younger players that have taken steroids that can still pose a threat. i'm not going to throw any names out because i don't know but i'm sure there are some who think they are smarter then the system

jesus christ.

i said "sluggers from that era".... sosa, mcgwire, bonds, etc

I NEVER said that everyone else in baseball was clean. ever.

what is with you bonds fans?

[ActorInThisPlay]

1)where's all the rock-solid proof?
2)you think he's the only player on steroids?



jesus christ.

i said "sluggers from that era".... sosa, mcgwire, bonds, etc

I NEVER said that everyone else in baseball was clean. ever.

what is with you bonds fans?
how about your boy Giambi?

[Jesse2]

how about your boy Giambi?

:headwall:

[FondestMemory]

know what i haven't had in a while?

big league chew.

[Adeniz19]

1)where's all the rock-solid proof?
2)you think he's the only player on steroids?



jesus christ.

i said "sluggers from that era".... sosa, mcgwire, bonds, etc

I NEVER said that everyone else in baseball was clean. ever.

what is with you bonds fans?shut the fuck up. you make it sound like there is no threat to records because of steroids. i don't give a shit what era you are talking about it is still there.

[Jesse2]

shut the fuck up. you make it sound like there is no threat to records because of steroids. i don't give a shit what era you are talking about it is still there.

good lord

is there a single bonds fan on this website that isn't a horse's ass?

[Adeniz19]

good lord

is there a single bonds fan on this website that isn't a horse's ass?if anyone is an asshole in this thread it is you.

[FondestMemory]

good lord

is there a single bonds fan on this website that isn't a horse's ass?

i'm not a horse's ass. i realized a long time ago it's pointless to argue any of it.

i'm not gonna convince you to like bonds, and you're not gonna convince me to not. so what's the point of going in circles?

[Jesse2]

i'm not a horse's ass. i realized a long time ago it's pointless to argue any of it.

i'm not gonna convince you to like bonds, and you're not gonna convince me to not. so what's the point of going in circles?

that makes you the first.

what these dudes don't seem to understand is that i said "he's an easy target because he's the only dude from the steroid era still playing baseball". that's it. it was a simple statement and i NEVER said anything about bonds being the only "dirty" guy in baseball.

[Adeniz19]

i'm not a horse's ass. i realized a long time ago it's pointless to argue any of it.

i'm not gonna convince you to like bonds, and you're not gonna convince me to not. so what's the point of going in circles?it's not even like we are trying to make him like bonds. he said there is no threat to baseball records due to steroid except bonds. who's to say the new generation of ball players have not taken steroids at least once in their lives. he doesn't have to be an ass about it because it is a logical arguement.

[Adeniz19]

that makes you the first.

what these dudes don't seem to understand is that i said "he's an easy target because he's the only dude from the steroid era still playing baseball". that's it. it was a simple statement and i NEVER said anything about bonds being the only "dirty" guy in baseball.and my point is that we are still in the steroid era. it might be the back end of it but we are still there

[FondestMemory]

it's not even like we are trying to make him like bonds. he said there is no threat to baseball records due to steroid except bonds. who's to say the new generation of ball players have not taken steroids at least once in their lives. he doesn't have to be an ass about it because it is a logical arguement.

i understand both sides of the arguement. but arguing it is pointless. anything involving bonds seems to be. these conversations never go anywhere productive.

[Jesse2]

it's not even like we are trying to make him like bonds. he said there is no threat to baseball records due to steroid except bonds. who's to say the new generation of ball players have not taken steroids at least once in their lives. he doesn't have to be an ass about it because it is a logical arguement.

dude, seriously, go back and read what i wrote, slowly.

i NEVER said that bonds is the only dirty guy holding/approaching records. i said he has become the scapegoat since he is the only ACTIVE player from what is widely-known as the "STEROID ERA"

plain and simple

[Jesse2]

i understand both sides of the arguement. but arguing it is pointless. anything involving bonds seems to be. these conversations never go anywhere productive.

i don't think there should even be an argument. are you telling me that you bonds fans don't think he's getting 99% of the attention because mcgwire, sosa, canseco, etc have all retired?

i am not a bonds fan, but i don't think what i was saying was even remotely anti-bonds

[FondestMemory]

i don't think there should even be an argument. are you telling me that you bonds fans don't think he's getting 99% of the attention because mcgwire, sosa, canseco, etc have all retired?

i am not a bonds fan, but i don't think what i was saying was even remotely anti-bonds

yeah, argument wasn't the right word. i understand fully what you meant, and i understand that he takes so much shit cause he was in the thick of it and is approaching aaron. saying that isn't anti-bonds at all.

but i get what they were saying, even if it wasn't worded the best and isn't really relevant. sure, somebody taking steroids now may be a threat in 10 years or so. but nobody can see the future, so how can they give that person shit, ya know?

all in all, it's all stupid.

[bigmike]

know what i haven't had in a while?

big league chew.
big league chew was amazing. i went through a pack a game in little league.


and there should be a barry bonds smiley. like have his name and the world steroids going around in circles all the time. i think it'd be fitting.

[LeftWideOpen]

big league chew was amazing. i went through a pack a game in little league.


and there should be a barry bonds smiley. like have his name and the world steroids going around in circles all the time. i think it'd be fitting.

was i the only one who swallowed it? i seriously felt like it was unavoidable ..it practically crawled down your throat as you tried to chew it.

[bigmike]

was i the only one who swallowed it? i seriously felt like it was unavoidable ..it practically crawled down your throat as you tried to chew it.
haha, i think you were. i always wound up with the whole pack in my mouth so if i probably would've choked if i swallowed it.

[ActorInThisPlay]

and my point is that we are still in the steroid era. it might be the back end of it but we are still there
yeah exactly...anyone who thinks the "steroid era" is done is sadly mistaken.

[fcknazisympathy]

In other news, I hope McGwire or Sosa doesnt get elected to the Hall Of Fame.

[mikeford]

the only person who deserves to take more steroid shit and doesn't is GARY SHEFFIELD since he did the exact same thing Bonds did in the Grand Jury testimony and not a damn thing is written or said negative about this guy.

[bigmike]

the only person who deserves to take more steroid shit and doesn't is GARY SHEFFIELD since he did the exact same thing Bonds did in the Grand Jury testimony and not a damn thing is written or said negative about this guy.
i was thinking about this while on the shitter earlier today.

[leftstranded]

I think you totally missed my point.

Bonds is the ONLY one of those dudes still playing. OBVIOUSLY mlb and the fans of mlb are going to care more about someone continuing to taint the game than people (who could very well be equally guilty) who have since retired.

Is Bonds the only person who has ever done steroids? Of course not.

Does he hold the single season record for HRs? Yes

Is he approaching Aaron's record? Slowly, but yes.

This is why he's a threat. Try and understand the difference. Oh, and he's a dickhead, that doesn't help.
and i think you missed my point. there are people still in the game that doped as well. yet people are riding one person

[leftstranded]

Actually, I said none of the "sluggers from that era" are still in the game. Ergo... none of them are a threat to hold or break any records.

Learn how to read, numbnuts.
that is so fucking ignorant it's not even funny. just because someone isn't approaching a record they are aloud to slide by....which they are.

[leftstranded]

dude, seriously, go back and read what i wrote, slowly.

i NEVER said that bonds is the only dirty guy holding/approaching records. i said he has become the scapegoat since he is the only ACTIVE player from what is widely-known as the "STEROID ERA"

plain and simple
and there is the back track. my original question was why does everyone go after him when i can guarentee you that tons of other CURRENT players are still in the game breaking records. and honestly records arn't the important thing here, it's winning baseball games which these guys are using steriods to do

[Jesse2]

and i think you missed my point. there are people still in the game that doped as well. yet people are riding one person

which i never disagreed with.

that is so fucking ignorant it's not even funny. just because someone isn't approaching a record they are aloud to slide by....which they are.

which i never said.

and there is the back track. my original question was why does everyone go after him when i can guarentee you that tons of other CURRENT players are still in the game breaking records. and honestly records arn't the important thing here, it's winning baseball games which these guys are using steriods to do

i'm starting to think you're mentally retarded, seriously. if not for FM i'd think you had to be a stupid ass to be a fan of barry bonds.

what part of "he's the only BIG-NAME ACTIVE player from what people call the "STEROID ERA". Are there still people playing who are dirty? YES! I was referring to what everyone calls the "steroid era".... you know, when tons of people were on it, and MLB didn't care. I wasn't ripping on bonds, I was simply explaining why he's become the easy target.

You should go back to predicting injuries, you were somehow less retarded doing that.

[leftstranded]

i'm starting to think you're mentally retarded, seriously. if not for FM i'd think you had to be a stupid ass to be a fan of barry bonds.

what part of "he's the only BIG-NAME ACTIVE player from what people call the "STEROID ERA". Are there still people playing who are dirty? YES! I was referring to what everyone calls the "steroid era".... you know, when tons of people were on it, and MLB didn't care. I wasn't ripping on bonds, I was simply explaining why he's become the easy target.

You should go back to predicting injuries, you were somehow less retarded doing that.
seriously just shut up for a second and listen

i'm not specifically a "bonds fan". i just don't think it's right that everyone is attacking him and letting others go scott free, especially my friends, like giambi.....and even those who have been tested POSITIVE for steroids THIS YEAR!

bonds has never had a positive test and they are running him over and over and over. what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. we must have forgotten about that

[Jesse2]

seriously just shut up for a second and listen

i'm not specifically a "bonds fan". i just don't think it's right that everyone is attacking him and letting others go scott free, especially my friends, like giambi.....and even those who have been tested POSITIVE for steroids THIS YEAR!

bonds has never had a positive test and they are running him over and over and over. what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. we must have forgotten about that

you're killing me

please, just find where i said he deserves to be the only one hunted down. please find where i said he's the only player who is dirty. please find where i said everyone focusing on bonds is fair.

my thoughts on why he has been the scapegoat seemed pretty straight-forward. i don't know if maybe you just have poor reading comprehension skills, but you should seriously try reading what i've been saying. personally, i don't like the guy, but it's getting to the point where i ALMOST feel bad for him.

you guys seriously need to learn how to read/understand things before you flip out against "bonds-haters".