Clearing Up Some Underoath Rumors

[Rohan Kohli]

According to an article (http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/244/5190/Underoath.html) at TheGauntlet.com, NOFX frontman Fat Mike was not the reason for Underoath (http://www.underoath777.com) dropping off the Warped Tour. And despite rumors, a source close to the band has informed me that no one in the band was doing drugs while on the tour.

[alexxxisonfire]

well then, let's hear some reasoning.

[Pat Marquez]

Haha, if there were drugs involved.. like Underoath would come clear about that. Since when did anybody that truely loved God bump some coke lines? Fuck you George Bush! You make my argument null and void!!

[PunkENG]

NoFX >> Underoath

[newfoundglory04]

Fuck Fat Mike, he is just jealous of Underoath and their success, seeing that nobody gives a flying fuck about NOFX or his stupid ideas anymore.

[Pat Marquez]

Honesty is important, especially if you are in the band Underoath. You want to protect your image guys? Let's start by being honest. I hope you aren't lying about the drugs. I don't know what to think, it just seems like everyone is playing damage control for the sake of record sales.

If you know what you are doing is irresponsible and has the possiblity to be discovered, don't do it. We all know that is easier said then done, but this is just getting out of hand with all this "he said, she said" non sense.

[Tony Pascarella]

I dont get why people would actually think they dropped warped because of Fat Mike.

I'll believe theyre drug addicts when pictures surface of them hanging out with the guys from HHLL.Because it (the comments made by Fat Mike) happened often, and more importantly it was public. So when a hundred thousand people see something over multiple days, it doesn't take much imagination to turn it into a story.

And for the record, everyone needs to shut up with turning it into a huge NOFX vs. Underoath thing and how they think one band is "sooo much better." They're both pretty good at what they do, as time has shown.

[newfoundglory04]

Oh and I have heard that the singer from Underoath was drinking and doing drugs during warped so they kicked him out and dropped off the tour.

[Scott Weber]

Honesty is important, especially if you are in the band Underoath. You want to protect your image guys? Let's start by being honest. I hope you aren't lying about the drugs. I don't know what to think, it just seems like everyone is playing damage control for the sake of record sales.

If you know what you are doing is irresponsible and has the possiblity to be discovered, don't do it. We all know that is easier said then done, but this is just getting out of hand with all this "he said, she said" non sense.
Your arrogance and know-it-all attitude is not needed in this thread, Pat. You say stop with the he said, she said stuff but that's exactly what you're doing - fueling the fire.

[failurbydesign]

Oh and I have heard that the singer from Underoath was drinking and doing drugs during warped so they kicked him out and dropped off the tour.


Stop trying to start even more gossip drama you douche.

[Rockrider311]

this doesn't make fat mike weigh any less or seem like less of a pretentious asshole.

[Pat Marquez]

Your arrogance and know-it-all attitude is not needed in this thread, Pat. You say stop with the he said, she said stuff but that's exactly what you're doing - fueling the fire.
Know it all? I made no comments about knowing it all. I just demand honesty. That is all. I don't see a problem with that. I'm not fueling a fire, I'm just saying it is important to be honest. Your bias is coming into play Scott, as it did with mine and All Time Low.

[Pat Marquez]

Your arrogance and know-it-all attitude is not needed in this thread, Pat. You say stop with the he said, she said stuff but that's exactly what you're doing - fueling the fire.
I think you have this all wrong as well. I didn't throw in any "he said , she said" which is very clear Scott. You have no argument, you have a bias.

Not once did I say, "Well, I heard."

I actually heard nothing, just have been reading what everyone else has been saying. I'm clearly just throwing my opinion out there. I will respect Underoath a lot more if they were just honest. Hell, there is a really really good chance that they haven't even touched drugs and in fact Fat Mike is an asshole just trying to ruin their image. Which makes me think, why can't Underoath just come out and say what happened? Yes, yes I know that isn't possible. And with this new article it is nice to hear that Fat Mike was (possibly) just making a lot of shit up. This is pathetic that you are trying to fight with me over honesty. You continually single me out and it's really annoying. Ahh, here comes my serious Tony side.

[manican sex]

Fuck Fat Mike, he is just jealous of Underoath and their success, seeing that nobody gives a flying fuck about NOFX or his stupid ideas anymore.

hah i think more people give more of a flying fuck about NOFX these days then new found glory dude.

fat mike is the man.

[Tony Pascarella]

I suppose thats the way the rumor mill works. But logically it doesnt make sense, dropping the last 2 weeks of a huge tour like warped because someone made fun of you. I mean both bands are getting publicity off it, and underOATH didnt really seem very butt hurt.

I almost feel bad cuz they seem like sensitive guys, but the things Fat Mike said were hilariousssssIt doesn't make sense because it's not the reason they dropped off. But since some details were still a bit unclear, it was intentionally posted as "personal reasons," knowing the band would make a statement. I knew people would take that and run with it (as they have), but it's really not as sensational and crazy as everyone is making it out to be.

As I've said before, I'd rather bands take time to work personal issues out (such as their friendship, as they mentioned in their statement) than keep touring and let little issues blow up and force a band to take drastic measures; I think if you get down to it, most of the people here would agree with me. It sucks that they might not be playing some people's Warped dates, but would you rather that or maybe not having the chance to see a band in the future?

[PopPunkKid]

NoFX >> Underoath



Yes

[Pat Marquez]

It doesn't make sense because it's not the reason they dropped off. But since some details were still a bit unclear, it was intentionally posted as "personal reasons," knowing the band would make a statement. I knew people would take that and run with it (as they have), but it's really not as sensational and crazy as everyone is making it out to be.

As I've said before, I'd rather bands take time to work personal issues out (such as their friendship, as they mentioned in their statement) than keep touring and let little issues blow up and force a band to take drastic measures; I think if you get down to it, most of the people here would agree with me. It sucks that they might not be playing some people's Warped dates, but would you rather that or maybe not having the chance to see a band in the future?
I think it is smart for bands to take breaks as well. They see each other almost every single day of the year and that has to be hectic. I have never toured, I have no idea what it is like and I can only imagine. I respect Underoath for being responsible for taking time off to figure things out.

At this point, that seems like a great point and hopefully this will save the band that is destined for big things.

[Scott Weber]

I think you have this all wrong as well. I didn't throw in any "he said , she said" which is very clear Scott. You have no argument, you have a bias.

Not once did I say, "Well, I heard."

I actually heard nothing, just have been reading what everyone else has been saying. This is pathetic that you are trying to fight with me over honesty.
You're the only one that's pathetic by parading around threads demanding integrity and honesty like you know there's something to be honest about. For all you know, or I know, or ANYBODY knows, the band was fighting with each other and they're taking time off - or less. Yet, you bring up drugs and demand "honesty" like there's something horrible to come clean about. THAT is where your arrogance comes into play. And what is my bias? I am not friends with Underoath, how can you compare this to All time Low? The "he said she said" attitude comes from somebody else reading this thread and coming out of it with the basic implication that you're putting forward (while trying to dance around and failing) that drugs were involved - then passing along that gossip to somebody else. That's so unprofessional of you to do, and it makes this website look horrible. Congrats.

edit: I responded to this before you edited your post to look more professional and less irrational. Still doesn't change what you said. You get singled out because of the way you come across. You're making a lot of enemies.

[ides of march]

have you guys read the comments on their site about this? it is freakin ridiculous.

[xobstacleonex]

they started smoking cigarettes.
end of story.

[dafockup]

if they were on some hardcore drugs then hey they are going against what they stand for, but in the good book it states all seed baring plants are legit!

so smoke away underoath, smoke away

[tbs152]

spencer has been drinking, underoath made an appearance at thursday's show in bmore a couple months back and spencer was bombed with two chicks no lie no rumor any one who was there at sonor would attest. as for warped tour im not sure he seemed fine but that was the first date of tour.

[Pat Marquez]

You're the only one that's pathetic by parading around threads demanding integrity and honesty like you know there's something to be honest about. For all you know, or I know, or ANYBODY knows, the band was fighting with each other and they're taking time off - or less. Yet, you bring up drugs and demand "honesty" like there's something horrible to come clean about. THAT is where your arrogance comes into play. And what is my bias? I am not friends with Underoath, how can you compare this to All time Low? The "he said she said" attitude comes from somebody else reading this thread and coming out of it with the basic implication that you're putting forward (while trying to dance around and failing) that drugs were involved - then passing along that gossip to somebody else. That's so unprofessional of you to do, and it makes this website look horrible. Congrats.

edit: I responded to this before you edited your post to look more professional and less irrational. Still doesn't change what you said. You get singled out because of the way you come across. You're making a lot of enemies.

I know there is something to be honest about? Don't we all Scott? Yes, it is good that they took time off of Warped Tour to figure out what is going on. Yes, there isn't always more to it. But in this case, I kind of think there is. Why did I bring up drugs Scott? Because that remains to be a pretty big rumor that was just cleared today. As always, we will probably never know the real truth.

Your bias is that you worked for Tooth & Nail / Solid State records and hold a pretty decent relationship with them. Underoath is signed to that label and I am sure many of them are reading this appaluading you as you tear me apart. I don't think I am making this web site look horrible, however if that is the case I apologize. That is not my intentions, I just have made it clear over and over again that at this time I think Underoath should be honest, even if there is nothing to be honest about. In time, I hope for them to shed a little more light of what is going on. With all of that said, I really could care less anyways. There are so many other important things for me to be worrying about so trust me, when I get up and off this computer this thread will be forgotten about.

Scott, I was not trying to save grace, that is not the point at all. I know I am not a very clear person, my arguments are usually dull and as I thought about it more clearly, I knew I had more to say. It is just as if we were having a argument in REAL LIFE I would bring more and more points up, in this case I have the oppurtunity to edit a post.

How can you call me unprofessional when all you do is personally attack me? You are a very aggressive person Scott which makes me wonder how you are in a real life. Let me be the first to tell you, I'm excitied to meet you.

[bankrom]

Fat Mike isnt actually obese....

Hahhahahhaha

[dlaug]

Fat Mike isnt actually obese....

well, he sure as hell isn't thin mike.

[.KillMoneen.]

i hope this doesnt cancel the up coming tour with moneen...cause i wanna see moneen..and iill be pissed if i cant see them again cause of this fucking nonsense

[raine8181]

I'm not the biggest Underoath fan in the world...but I honestly can't remember the last time Fat Mike wasn't a tool...

[Scott Weber]

I know there is something to be honest about? Don't we all Scott? Yes, it is good that they took time off of Warped Tour to figure out what is going on. Yes, there isn't always more to it. But in this case, I kind of think there is. Why did I bring up drugs Scott? Because that remains to be a pretty big rumor that was just cleared today. As always, we will probably never know the real truth.

Your bias is that you worked for Tooth & Nail / Solid State records and hold a pretty decent relationship with them. Underoath is signed to that label and I am sure many of them are reading this appaluading you as you tear me apart. I don't think I am making this web site look horrible, however if that is the case I apologize. That is not my intentions, I just have made it clear over and over again that at this time I think Underoath should be honest, even if there is nothing to be honest about. In time, I hope for them to shed a little more light of what is going on. With all of that said, I really could care less anyways. There are so many other important things for me to be worrying about so trust me, when I get up and off this computer this thread will be forgotten about.

Scott, I was not trying to save grace, that is not the point at all. I know I am not a very clear person, my arguments are usually dull and as I thought about it more clearly, I knew I had more to say.

How can you call me unprofessional when all you do is personally attack me? You are a very aggressive person Scott which makes me wonder how you are in a real life. Let me be the first to tell you, I'm excitied to meet you.
The bolded part is your he said, she said moment. Right there. Thank you for proving my entire point. The rest of your post is completely irrelevant because of that. THAT is where you make AP.net look unprofessional. That is my entire problem with this. People hold your "hunch" much higher than everyone else's because your name is in red. I was an intern at T&N once a week, and I stopped "working" there almost a year ago. Yet, some people will never let it go, especially when they can throw it in my face at any moment. It'll be fun when you meet me. I'm a nice guy. I have no real life enemies, and I get along well with just about everyone. I just care about this website because I've been a part of it for so long, and I hate to see its reputation get beat to the ground, which is something I continually see you doing. The only reason we fight is because of how you act in the first place. I'd never stoop to your level, calling out bands on rumors and hunches, affecting kids' judgements and destroying credibility. So instead, I have to silence you from making us look any stupider, or at least try. This debate is over. The parts I've bolded proved everything I was trying to say in the first place.

[glassagainstyou]

The bolded part is your he said, she said moment. Right there. Thank you for proving my entire point. The rest of your post is completely irrelevant because of that. THAT is where you make AP.net look unprofessional. That is my entire problem with this. People hold your "hunch" much higher than everyone else's because your name is in red. I was an intern at T&N once a week, and I stopped "working" there almost a year ago. Yet, some people will never let it go, especially when they can throw it in my face at any moment. It'll be fun when you meet me. I'm a nice guy. I have no real life enemies, and I get along well with just about everyone. I just care about this website because I've been a part of it for so long, and I hate to see its reputation get beat to the ground, which is something I continually see you doing. The only reason we fight is because of how you act in the first place. I'd never stoop to your level, calling out bands on rumors and hunches, affecting kids' judgements and destroying credibility. So instead, I have to silence you from making us look any stupider, or at least try. This debate is over. The parts I've bolded proved everything I was trying to say in the first place.



scott weber owns pat marquez hella bad.

[Punkdc]

Wierd this has more posts then the 1800 line help.

[0101]

lmao they may not be doing drugs while on warped tour but one of them sure as hell was doing coke while they were here in new orleans.

[PaintTheTarget]

Scott, you didnt prove anything....all Pat said was that there was a reason--whatever it be--that they dropped off. They didnt just drop off for shits and giggles, there was something. Thats all Pat said. I think you blew that little point out of proportion.

[Pat Marquez]

The bolded part is your he said, she said moment. Right there. Thank you for proving my entire point. The rest of your post is completely irrelevant because of that. THAT is where you make AP.net look unprofessional. That is my entire problem with this. People hold your "hunch" much higher than everyone else's because your name is in red. I was an intern at T&N once a week, and I stopped "working" there almost a year ago. Yet, some people will never let it go, especially when they can throw it in my face at any moment. It'll be fun when you meet me. I'm a nice guy. I have no real life enemies, and I get along well with just about everyone. I just care about this website because I've been a part of it for so long, and I hate to see its reputation get beat to the ground, which is something I continually see you doing. The only reason we fight is because of how you act in the first place. I'd never stoop to your level, calling out bands on rumors and hunches, affecting kids' judgements and destroying credibility. So instead, I have to silence you from making us look any stupider, or at least try. This debate is over. The parts I've bolded proved everything I was trying to say in the first place.
Scott, one thing you must really learn is that nothing is ever irrelevant. That is your mistake. Sure, if you are clearly blind to see past certain things then you will rule out every thing in your life and that is one mistake you will learn to regret. I don't have the energy to continually type up these rebuttals. It is summer time, it's to nice outside, and I just don't have the ability to discuss Underoath and NOFX with you anymore. So, if you want to mark this as another argument you have won against me, by my guest. Because I find it unbelivably hard to think I am wrong every single time, and I also find it hard that you have even ever agreed with one single thing I have said (past and present). I do my best to find things I agree with when you make your statements but it is clear that you either over look them or it is me, who is unclear.

It is unclear to me why you can't get it through your head that I am actually out to destroy AP.net? I owe everything to this web page and that would never be my case. I will make it clear that you make it very unenjoyable to consider myself apart of this web page. I feel constantly pulled aside and put down for what I stand in. Something I really do my best not to do to one another. Sure, we ALL will do it one time or another. But when it happens continually it is very frusturating.

Have a nice night everyone.

[robhimself]

scott weber owns pat marquez hella bad.

yeah he does. i gotta agree with scott on this.

[Jason Tate]

This is so retarded. Why are people arguing over why the band left a tour? It doesn't even matter.

[Scott Weber]

Scott, one thing you must really learn is that nothing is ever irrelevant. That is your mistake. Sure, if you are clearly blind to see past certain things then you will rule out every thing in your life and that is one mistake you will learn to regret. I don't have the energy to continually type up these rebuttals. It is summer time, it's to nice outside, and I just don't have the ability to discuss Underoath and NOFX with you anymore. So, if you want to mark this as another argument you have won against me, by my guest. Because I find it unbelivably hard to think I am wrong every single time, and I also find it hard that you have even ever agreed with one single thing I have said. I do my best to find things I agree with when you make your statements but it is clear that you either over look them or it is me, who is unclear.

Have a nice night everyone.
I agree with you a lot - I disagree with your arrogant manner of presenting opinions (which also happens a lot.)

Back to work and listening to Jeremy Enigk.

[Drew Beringer]

raehjgajiwjrgrgjmejaejganjgjgnjgv

that was my head hitting my keyboard, gosh, this thread is so disheartening, retarded, etc etc

I have a headache now.

[born to expire]

Fuck Underoath. Shitty bands like Underoath need to realize that their music is awful and no one will care about them in matter of years. I'm not even a big NOFX fan (and I hate Fat Mike's politics and punkvoter.com), but someone needs to stand up and say something. I support anyone making fun of these bands as often as possible, whether it's with words or pictures like this:
http://altpress.com/specials/warped2006/bands/nofx.jpg

[Manbotisdead]

The bolded part is your he said, she said moment. Right there. Thank you for proving my entire point. The rest of your post is completely irrelevant because of that. THAT is where you make AP.net look unprofessional. That is my entire problem with this. People hold your "hunch" much higher than everyone else's because your name is in red. I was an intern at T&N once a week, and I stopped "working" there almost a year ago. Yet, some people will never let it go, especially when they can throw it in my face at any moment. It'll be fun when you meet me. I'm a nice guy. I have no real life enemies, and I get along well with just about everyone. I just care about this website because I've been a part of it for so long, and I hate to see its reputation get beat to the ground, which is something I continually see you doing. The only reason we fight is because of how you act in the first place. I'd never stoop to your level, calling out bands on rumors and hunches, affecting kids' judgements and destroying credibility. So instead, I have to silence you from making us look any stupider, or at least try. This debate is over. The parts I've bolded proved everything I was trying to say in the first place.



You know whats really unprofessional?
Fighting with your staff members in a public forum.

[Freud]

i thought the staff members all loved each other.

[Pat Marquez]

raehjgajiwjrgrgjmejaejganjgjgnjgv

that was my head hitting my keyboard, gosh, this thread is so disheartening, retarded, etc etc

I have a headache now.
I know, I feel pretty pathetic. Haha, I don't know why I get wrapped up into these things. Oh well, I apologize to everyone that had to read what Scott and I have said.

[Tony Pascarella]

Fuck Underoath. Shitty bands like Underoath need to realize that their music is awful and no one will care about them in matter of years. I'm not even a big NOFX fan (and I hate Fat Mike's politics and punkvoter.com), but someone needs to stand up and say something. I support anyone making fun of these bands as often as possible, whether it's with words or pictures like this:
http://altpress.com/specials/warped2006/bands/nofx.jpg
Yes, because the guys in Underoath look like retarded emo whores...

http://myspace-099.vo.llnwd.net/00167/99/03/167723099_l.jpg

/sarcasm

Where are you people coming up with this bullshit? Goddamn it.

[Pat Marquez]

You know whats really unprofessional?
Fighting with your staff members in a public forum.
What I said originally (at least I think) was wayyyy mis read by Scott. I have not heard any rumors about Underoath, I stay away from that stuff just becasue I don't care. I have no inside sources, I don't "bro down" with any bands. I'm just here to help them. I just threw out my opinion in the first place and I think Scott took that as Pat thinks Underoath is really doing drugs. I just believe in the importance of honesty, it's something we should all work on I guess.

[Pat Marquez]

Yes, because the guys in Underoath look like retarded emo whores...

http://myspace-099.vo.llnwd.net/00167/99/03/167723099_l.jpg

/sarcasm

Where are you people coming up with this bullshit? Goddamn it.
Underoath is goofy looking, just not Aiden-esque goofing looking. Haha, everyone is weird looking. Makine fun of someones image is pretty pathetic, who cares. I mean, everyone gets their jabs in but cawmon.

[Drew Beringer]

Fuck Underoath. Shitty bands like Underoath need to realize that their music is awful and no one will care about them in matter of years. I'm not even a big NOFX fan (and I hate Fat Mike's politics and punkvoter.com), but someone needs to stand up and say something. I support anyone making fun of these bands as often as possible, whether it's with words or pictures like this:
http://altpress.com/specials/warped2006/bands/nofx.jpg
you make no fuckin sense

[Tony Pascarella]

Underoath is goofy looking, just not Aiden-esque goofing looking. Haha, everyone is weird looking. Makine fun of someones image is pretty pathetic, who cares. I mean, everyone gets their jabs in but cawmon.Actually, they're pretty normal-looking guys. I was standing onstage for their set down here, and they looked about as far away as possible from the typical scene kids that people lump them in with. They love what they do, and they believe in things (such as God). Why is this a problem? They don't have an "image" like a lot of bands do, and I think that's a good thing.

[Scott Weber]

What I said originally (at least I think) was wayyyy mis read by Scott. I have not heard any rumors about Underoath, I stay away from that stuff just becasue I don't care. I have no inside sources, I don't "bro down" with any bands. I'm just here to help them. I just threw out my opinion in the first place and I think Scott took that as Pat thinks Underoath is really doing drugs. I just believe in the importance of honesty, it's something we should all work on I guess.
It may have been misread, but I guess I jumped on your throat because of how you came across. You were one of the first people to post in the thread, and you later even admitted that you suspect there are drugs involved in a part that I bolded. It's not fair to hold Underoath to higher standards than everyone else - they are still human, and we all make mistakes - nobody would care if this were a non-Christian band getting accused of this. I apologize for duking it out like this and to everyone who read it. I disagree with how things were handled but it got out of hand fast.

[yutsmcgee]

You know whats really unprofessional?
Fighting with your staff members in a public forum.

agreed. everyone throw on some Hanson and chillax.

[xPaulWallx]

Haha, if there were drugs involved.. like Underoath would come clear about that. Since when did anybody that truely loved God bump some coke lines? Fuck you George Bush! You make my argument null and void!!

nice work on bringing the president into something that has absolutely nothing to do with him. that must of taken a lot of skill and hatred towards him huh? and i know you will say it was a joke, but it was a lame one at that. you must be watching too much jon stewart it seems based on your lame joke that isnt funny to most people unless they despise bush as well and was made for the sole purpose of bashing the president. touche.

[alexxxisonfire]

i honestly doubt any of them do drugs or drink.

[DivisionStreet]

Honesty is important, especially if you are in the band Underoath. You want to protect your image guys? Let's start by being honest. I hope you aren't lying about the drugs. I don't know what to think, it just seems like everyone is playing damage control for the sake of record sales.

If you know what you are doing is irresponsible and has the possiblity to be discovered, don't do it. We all know that is easier said then done, but this is just getting out of hand with all this "he said, she said" non sense.

Of course honesty is important. They are called UNDEROATH.

[xPaulWallx]

they started smoking cigarettes.
end of story.
haha best reponse in this thread. i dont get what the big deal is anyways. coke is so overrated and isnt even that bad in my opinion, so many successful people do it its ridiculous.

[born to expire]

you make no fuckin sense
I made plenty of sense:

-Underoath sucks.
-NOFX is decent.
-more bands should make fun of bands like Underoath in public.


EDIT: Maybe I misinterpreted the situation. We aren't talking about NOFX making fun of Underoath? I didn't bother to read the thread.

[J4xoR]

It's probably because the drummer is probably leaving Underoath for "The Almost" lol :p

[andsheburns]

It boggles my mind why people get so bent out of shape over what Fat Mike says. It's pretty obvious that he says what he does just to piss people off and cause drama (which he seems to be pretty good at). Just relax and try not to get so bent out of shape about it. Yes it's upsetting when a bands reputation is tarnished by what he says, but it's kind of like the boy who cried wolf - eventually, people will stop believing what he says.

[jpgretzky15]

i dont like underoath, but for fat mike to be sayin this stuff is stupid. if bands say, oh i dont believe in god, nobody would make fun of them. whats so bad about being religious?

[dafockup]

Yes, because the guys in Underoath look like retarded emo whores...

http://myspace-099.vo.llnwd.net/00167/99/03/167723099_l.jpg

/sarcasm

Where are you people coming up with this bullshit? Goddamn it.

hey they break out the straight irons and rock cut off girl jean/shorts just like all the other screamo bands so yes, they do look pretty rediculous sometimes, doesnt mean they are bad guys though, but you cant say they dont follow the screamo pattern they just dont put it on as thick as the others that arent as big

[xPaulWallx]

if the band wants people to stop saying rumors then they need to be more clear about what happened and why they dropped off. rumors are usually started when people have no information on something and then they make their own often crazy assumptions. granted that sucks that they have to tell people more than they want to but that is the price that comes with being "famous" and being in the public spotlight and having people making you wealthy and well off everyday. those people that are giving you money to live off of expect a decent explanation when shit like this happens...

[PJ1336]

Actually, they're pretty normal-looking guys. I was standing onstage for their set down here, and they looked about as far away as possible from the typical scene kids that people lump them in with. They love what they do, and they believe in things (such as God). Why is this a problem? They don't have an "image" like a lot of bands do, and I think that's a good thing.

this is going to come off wrong for sure, as seems to be the theme of this thread but...

isnt that whole christian band thing kind of their image?

i mean, they clearly are big into christianity. theyre on a christian record label, theyve said in interviews that they were all very active members of their church communities in their younger years and have even gone so far as to consider them selves "a bunch of youth group kids." most of if not all of their songs are about some type of christian theme, be it finding faith, losing faith, whatever. they hold open bible study groups on warped tour.... etc etc.

it seems to me that as artists they have purposfully made their religion a main focal point of their entire existence as a band. im not presuming that they are using peoples faith as a means to make money, as i have been aware of this band and what they are all about since well before their slight change in style and subsequent rise in popularity. i am simply saying that while youre now getting on some kid and claiming this band has no image whatsoeverm it appears that being a christian band is in fact their image.

commence the tossing of verbal fruit.

[Pat Marquez]

It may have been misread, but I guess I jumped on your throat because of how you came across. You were one of the first people to post in the thread, and you later even admitted that you suspect there are drugs involved in a part that I bolded. It's not fair to hold Underoath to higher standards than everyone else - they are still human, and we all make mistakes - nobody would care if this were a non-Christian band getting accused of this. I apologize for duking it out like this and to everyone who read it. I disagree with how things were handled but it got out of hand fast.
Scott, that is the absolute point I was trying to make the entire time. They are just human, who cares! Yeah, I guess that would have really helped to include that earlier.

[rcrook]

i dont understand christianity and their importance on not drinking alcohol...im catholic and well you know catholic views on alcohol. i think this whole thing is just silly about doing drugs and drinking.

[Jason Tate]

http://www.punknews.org/article/18930 (http://www.punknews.org/article/18930)

now STFU.

[Of Machines]

I made plenty of sense:

-Underoath sucks.
-NOFX is decent.
-more bands should make fun of bands like Underoath in public.


EDIT: Maybe I misinterpreted the situation. We aren't talking about NOFX making fun of Underoath? I didn't bother to read the thread.

you elitest scenester, you. try reading the thread dumbass.

[Pat Marquez]

nice work on bringing the president into something that has absolutely nothing to do with him. that must of taken a lot of skill and hatred towards him huh? and i know you will say it was a joke, but it was a lame one at that. you must be watching too much jon stewart it seems based on your lame joke that isnt funny to most people unless they despise bush as well and was made for the sole purpose of bashing the president. touche.
Haha, oh my gosh. I hope you are kidding my friend. Because, yes, I was being very very very very times three hundred more sarcastic.

[xPaulWallx]

i dont like underoath, but for fat mike to be sayin this stuff is stupid. if bands say, oh i dont believe in god, nobody would make fun of them. whats so bad about being religious?

in the end fat mike is prejudice, a hypocrite, unintelligent, and an all around horrible person and i frankly dont see his purpose in society. he only likes it when people follow his beliefs and hates on them when they dont. funny how not too long ago when the presidential election was going on, so many people on here sucked his dick and were all for his punkvoter BS. i hope people now realize what they were supporting and what kind of person was on their "side" of things....

[Scott Weber]

Scott, that is the absolute point I was trying to make the entire time. They are just human, who cares! Yeah, I guess that would have really helped to include that earlier.
Probably. No worries.

[Scott Weber]

http://www.punknews.org/article/18930 (http://www.punknews.org/article/18930)

now STFU.
Thank you.

[rcrook]

http://www.punknews.org/article/18930 (http://www.punknews.org/article/18930)

now STFU.

wow fat mike sounded educated in that...im shocked

[xPaulWallx]

Haha, oh my gosh. I hope you are kidding my friend. Because, yes, I was being very very very very times three hundred more sarcastic.

notice pat how there is this overall trend of people not understanding you fully on the internet and you coming across wrong most of the time...maybe you need to relearn the internet and how to post on a public forum?? it partly comes from the fact that everything you say is so not serious and you think everything is a big joke, maybe you need to learn that words can be taken seriously and you shouldnt throw them around so much and not care about what they mean. and just so you know, i am being serious...

[Drew Beringer]

http://www.punknews.org/article/18930 (http://www.punknews.org/article/18930)

now STFU.
interesting, I still don't like Fat Mike though.

[yanggoh]

i love drama.

[PJ1336]

It boggles my mind why people get so bent out of shape over what Fat Mike says. It's pretty obvious that he says what he does just to piss people off and cause drama (which he seems to be pretty good at). Just relax and try not to get so bent out of shape about it. Yes it's upsetting when a bands reputation is tarnished by what he says, but it's kind of like the boy who cried wolf - eventually, people will stop believing what he says.

if anyone has seen that warped tour backstage pass show or whatever thing on fuse, theyll know that whatever fat mike says at warped this year needs to not be taken seriously. he says flat out that he is attempting to piss off as many people as humanly possible this year. he does actually say that he is specifically trying to piss off fans, but from the way he talks about from first to last and underoath, it is quite clear that he is not limiting himself to fans at all. i mean he even follows up his statements by going to theur bible study and starting shit. i love nofx, but mike is clearly trying to stir the pot as much and as often and possible and as a result you need to just laugh at his funny jokes, disregard his stupid ones, and take anything slanderous he says about any bands or religions with the grain of salt that is the fact that "his name is fat mike, and he's obsessed with big lesbians."

[secondsunrise]

Nofx sucks....they were ripping on chiodos while chiodos was setting up for their second set at detroit warped....saying something to the effect of "this myspace band named chiodos has to play another set so we have to finish our set so they can jam away" fat mike said it all cool like too.....whatever.....fuck nofx and all the few shitty punk bands left......

Jeb bush for president!!!

[yanggoh]

I agree with you a lot - I disagree with your arrogant manner of presenting opinions (which also happens a lot.)

Back to work and listening to Jeremy Enigk.

ahhhh jeremy enigk...seeing him in boston on the 9th. rad.

[Causascene]

i dont like underoath, but for fat mike to be sayin this stuff is stupid. if bands say, oh i dont believe in god, nobody would make fun of them. whats so bad about being religious?



Why is it that whenever there is a thread on this site about Underoath, NOFX always gets thrown into the mix no matter how irrelevant their role in this whole thing is. Seriously, people....these are not NOFX v. Underoath threads...get over the fact that NOFX isn't part of the problem, no matter how much you wish they were. And then Rohan straight up tells you that no one in the band was doing drugs, but everyone still makes the claims and spreads the rumors anyway.

[xPaulWallx]

interesting, I still don't like Fat Mike though.

i am sure someone like his PR person or someone far more intelligent made him do that. i guess its good he did it though, now people will stop saying so much about the whole issue. i blame all of this on not enough being said about an issue until way too late. bands need to learn to be more on the ball with public announcements and shit in my opinion.

[MarkyMark1984]

http://www.punknews.org/article/18930 (http://www.punknews.org/article/18930)

now STFU.

that's awesome. glad fat mike cleared that up. he doesn't even seem like an a-hole in that article. i think he just plays it off on stage. Just let UO take their break and let us know their business later on if they feel like it.

[PureMusic24]

Fuck Fat Mike, he is just jealous of Underoath and their success, seeing that nobody gives a flying fuck about NOFX or his stupid ideas anymore.

haha i agree.. NOFX = GAY politics shit

[dukeboy1986]

You know whats really unprofessional?
Fighting with your staff members in a public forum.

Haha, yeah, for real.

[Causascene]

http://www.punknews.org/article/18930 (http://www.punknews.org/article/18930)

now STFU.


Thank you Tate for ending all the pointless NOFX/UO shit.....I have a new-found respect for Fat Mike...that's the most intelligent he's ever come off in my opinion.

[PaintTheTarget]

notice pat how there is this overall trend of people not understanding you fully on the internet and you coming across wrong most of the time...maybe you need to relearn the internet and how to post on a public forum?? it partly comes from the fact that everything you say is so not serious and you think everything is a big joke, maybe you need to learn that words can be taken seriously and you shouldnt throw them around so much and not care about what they mean. and just so you know, i am being serious...


Wow dude, you're ridiculous. He has been serious this whole time and you flip out becasue he made one Bush joke in there that everybody else understood.

[psykosteve]

I like how people are like "doesn't Fat Mike know this makes him come off like an asswhole." Fat Mike has been trying to come of as an asswhole since before most of the bands on Warrped Tour were born.

It's Punk Rock and no one does it better than Fat Mike. There is a reason they have managed to last for almost 25 years. They can be pricks and they don't care who knows it. I think Fat Mike knows exactully how he is coming off and thats why it is great.

[TSLManager]

Have you ever got in a fight with your girlfreind and then in the middle of the fight people start asking for a public anouncment about the fight, why it happend how long it will last and how you will fix it?

Did you ever think that bands wait until they know all the facts before they speak? Perhaps bands wait to make statements until they know what they will do to deal with their issues?



[QUOTE=xPaulWallx bands need to learn to be more on the ball with public announcements and shit in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

[MarkyMark1984]

Have you ever got in a fight with your girlfreind and then in the middle of the fight people start asking for a public anouncment about the fight, why it happend how long it will last and how you will fix it?

Did you ever think that bands wait until they know all the facts before they speak? Perhaps bands wait to make statements until they know what they will do to deal with their issues?

you are so right. people need to calm down and wait for the band to figure things out. it's not like these things just relieve themselves over night.

[PaintTheTarget]

Have you ever got in a fight with your girlfreind and then in the middle of the fight people start asking for a public anouncment about the fight, why it happend how long it will last and how you will fix it?

Did you ever think that bands wait until they know all the facts before they speak? Perhaps bands wait to make statements until they know what they will do to deal with their issues?


I kind of agree with you, but not a good analogy. People don't pay money to see you and your girlfriend in your everyday life. If Underoath was my favorite band and I bought a ticket to Warped Tour specifically to see them only to have them drop off, I'd want an explanation cause I just spent $30+ on a ticket and everything for a day at Warped. For a lot of people its not money that they have to spare.

[Nate_RAWKS]

http://www.punknews.org/article/18930 (http://www.punknews.org/article/18930)

now STFU.


man this thread got out of control fast...geez.

I lol at this:

"Of course we have some differences. They tend to not believe in evolution, dinosaurs, reproductive rights, premarital sex, or gay marriage. Some of them don*t even like looking at porn (that*s just crazy)." - Fat Mike

hahaha


....Fat Mike

[RomeoAGoGo]

not sure if anybody posted this yet but here is what Fat Mike told punknews.org :


"Sorry folks, as much as I do like controversy, there really isn*t any to report on this subject. Underoath have left the Warped Tour, and as much as people want to give me credit for that, the truth is they just really needed a break apparently. Some people have suggested that they bailed because I made too much fun of them (I kinda did). Problem with that theory is that I have made fun of plenty of bands on this tour i.e. Against Me, the Blackhearts, Anti-Flag, Sherwood, The Acadamy Is, Thursday, Less Than Jake, Rise Against, etc. I have also taken plenty of jabs at Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Muslims.

I feel I am an equal opportunist when it comes to getting laughs from an easy target. One thing I really try not to do is make fun of bands that I*m not friends with. That*s why two days into the tour, I introduced myself to the Underoath guys and we have been friendly ever since. Of course we have some differences. They tend to not believe in evolution, dinosaurs, reproductive rights, premarital sex, or gay marriage. Some of them don*t even like looking at porn (that*s just crazy). The point is, at some point I sat down with most of them and had quite a few discussions about a lot of these issues.

Every talk we had was civil and respectful and no matter how wrong I think a few of those guys are, there were never any hard feelings between us. They*re actually really nice dudes. Maybe on their summer break they could spend some time reading some other books, instead of just the one." - Fat Mike



now everyone can shut the fuck up and realize boysetsfire just broke up and that's a lot more important then this piece of shit story

[TSLManager]

I completly understand what you are saying and respect that 100%. But going back to my analogy if their is a problem and they don't know what it is or how to fix it how can they make an anouncement about it?



I kind of agree with you, but not a good analogy. People don't pay money to see you and your girlfriend in your everyday life. If Underoath was my favorite band and I bought a ticket to Warped Tour specifically to see them only to have them drop off, I'd want an explanation cause I just spent $30+ on a ticket and everything for a day at Warped. For a lot of people its not money that they have to spare.

[Nate_RAWKS]

"Maybe on their summer break they could spend some time reading some other books, instead of just the one." - Fat Mike



:O

[xPaulWallx]

Wow dude, you're ridiculous. He has been serious this whole time and you flip out becasue he made one Bush joke in there that everybody else understood.

serious the whole time??? did you not catch the whole thing where him and the other staff member got into it basically because he doesnt come across well on the internet??? maybe you need to read the whole thread. i really do have a point, the guy is never really serious and because of it he is always misunderstood. it even caused a public fight between 2 staff members..

[Tony Pascarella]

wow fat mike sounded educated in that...im shockedHe runs his own record label and has a very successful, tenured band. He's not an idiot. He acts a bit juvenile at times, but he's one of hundreds of band members who do that; he just has a large forum for his views (Warped Tour) and people tend to take him too seriously. Some of what he says I don't agree with, but he's far from the Neanderthal that most people make him out to be.

[xPaulWallx]

you just said you understand what hes saying, and he said your analogy wasnt a good one, but then you go back to it???? just stop with the analogy. it doesnt work...

I completly understand what you are saying and respect that 100%. But going back to my analogy if their is a problem and they don't know what it is or how to fix it how can they make an anouncement about it?

[born to expire]

you elitest scenester, you. try reading the thread dumbass.
I'm far from being a scenester. Thanks for trying though.

[PaintTheTarget]

serious the whole time??? did you not catch the whole thing where him and the other staff member got into it basically because he doesnt come across well on the internet??? maybe you need to read the whole thread. i really do have a point, the guy is never really serious and because of it he is always misunderstood. it even caused a public fight between 2 staff members..


It was a misunderstanding that was visable to some and not others, but he was completely serious, it had nothing to do with him joking. And please point out how he's ALWAYS misunderstood....I must have missed that the whole time I've been here.

[RomeoAGoGo]

TSLManager is from Rockville Centre and graduated from SSHS therefore he can do no wrong

stop arguing - you lost

[xPaulWallx]

It was a misunderstanding that was visable to some and not others, but he was completely serious, it had nothing to do with him joking. And please point out how he's ALWAYS misunderstood....I must have missed that the whole time I've been here.

check out his warped tour review. maybe its not visable to you but it is to me. i just think the dude sucks at the internet in gen. i guess that is where we differ.

[TSLManager]

Perhaps the analogy does suck, but the band may not know what is going on and left the tour to figure things out. Until they figure it out how can they give an answer?


you just said you understand what hes saying, and he said your analogy wasnt a good one, but then you go back to it???? just stop with the analogy. it doesnt work...

[yutsmcgee]

Perhaps the analogy does suck, but the band may not know what is going on and left the tour to figure things out. Until they figure it out how can they give an answer?

I personally think PaulWall needs to go make some grills, or perhaps put a new layer of candy paint on his car.

[xPaulWallx]

I personally think PaulWall needs to go make some grills, or perhaps put a new layer of candy paint on his car.

OMG!!!! that is soooooo funny and soooooo original, how did you ever make that connection? what with the grills and candy paint, and my username is paul wall, geez ur funny, what are you doing on a messageboard? you should be doing a comedy routine or something!

[yutsmcgee]

OMG!!!! that is soooooo funny and soooooo original, how did you ever make that connection? what with the grills and candy paint, and my username is paul wall, geez ur funny, what are you doing on a messageboard? you should be doing a comedy routine or something!

yea, i'm a great comedian, and you're a fantastic dumbass.

seriously.

[Nate_RAWKS]

He runs his own record label and has a very successful, tenured band. He's not an idiot. He acts a bit juvenile at times, but he's one of hundreds of band members who do that; he just has a large forum for his views (Warped Tour) and people tend to take him too seriously. Some of what he says I don't agree with, but he's far from the Neanderthal that most people make him out to be.

That's exactly how i feel about Fat Mike. Except i agree with him most of the time. :shrugs:

[NFG4ever]

Gossip sucks , this thread sucks , NOFX sucks

I hope UO works things out , I LOVE Define The Great Line and I've never seen them live. I would of at barrie warped but there off now :( haha

[Tony Pascarella]

That's exactly how i feel about Fat Mike. Except i agree with him most of the time. :shrugs:Yeah, I'm definitely liberal in my views on government, abortion, gay marriage, and all that stuff, but where he believes others are "wrong" I believe in tolerance. I have friends who believe differently than I, but we don't tell each other that they're "wrong."

[alexxxisonfire]

SO ARE THEY ON DRUGS OR BOOZING OR WHAT?

this isn't a Fat Mike thread, my god.

[*crying stars*]

there was probably just lots of build-up tension.

but what do we know?

it's all speculation until someone actually in the situation says something about it.

[chokeychicken]

i just want to say one thing.

regardless of what you think of fat mike and NOFX as human beings, their maturity level, their ideas, etc, you need to show some fucking respect towards both.

NOFX has been making records since before some of you kids were born. they paved the way for just about every single band you listen to. seriously. they are one of the most influential bands to ever exist in any type of underground music scene, and the fact that they're still making records (and semi-decent ones at that) and playing warped tour is something that can't be overlooked.

so i hand out a gigantic fuck you to every single AP.net user with something to do with new found glory in their username that's running their mouth about how much nofx sucks, when jordan from new found glory sounds like he has a huge cock stored up each nostel when he sings.

give me a break. i appreciate nothing gold can stay just as much as the next kid - it spins on my ipod every now and then. but do a little homework, show a little appreciation. nobody said you had to like fat mike, or even listen to nofx. but show some respect for the fact that every band on your ipod was influenced in some way or another by nofx. yes, kelly clarkson included.

[h0merg0mez]

People have to be more careful what they say. Words are powerful.

[jeweltosparkle]

Oh and I have heard that the singer from Underoath was drinking and doing drugs during warped so they kicked him out and dropped off the tour.

Dumbest post ever. I hope you weren't serious. So when are all the other bands going to get kicked off? Because I'm pretty sure there might be a couple other bands on the tour who do drugs or at the very least drink ;)

[PunkENG]

HEY all you little whiney Underoath fucks getting mad at Fat Mike. Read this... Fat Mike is and will always be the shit.

"Sorry folks, as much as I do like controversy, there really isn't any to report on this subject. Underoath have left the Warped Tour, and as much as people want to give me credit for that, the truth is they just really needed a break apparently. Some people have suggested that they bailed because I made too much fun of them (I kinda did). Problem with that theory is that I have made fun of plenty of bands on this tour i.e. Against Me, the Blackhearts, Anti-Flag, Sherwood, The Acadamy Is, Thursday, Less Than Jake, Rise Against, etc. I have also taken plenty of jabs at Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Muslims.

I feel I am an equal opportunist when it comes to getting laughs from an easy target. One thing I really try not to do is make fun of bands that I'm not friends with. That*s why two days into the tour, I introduced myself to the Underoath guys and we have been friendly ever since. Of course we have some differences. They tend to not believe in evolution, dinosaurs, reproductive rights, premarital sex, or gay marriage. Some of them don't even like looking at porn (that*s just crazy). The point is, at some point I sat down with most of them and had quite a few discussions about a lot of these issues.

Every talk we had was civil and respectful and no matter how wrong I think a few of those guys are, there were never any hard feelings between us. They*re actually really nice dudes. Maybe on their summer break they could spend some time reading some other books, instead of just the one." - Fat Mike

[Buried A Lie]

i just want to say one thing.

regardless of what you think of fat mike and NOFX as human beings, their maturity level, their ideas, etc, you need to show some fucking respect towards both.

NOFX has been making records since before some of you kids were born. they paved the way for just about every single band you listen to. seriously. they are one of the most influential bands to ever exist in any type of underground music scene, and the fact that they're still making records (and semi-decent ones at that) and playing warped tour is something that can't be overlooked.

so i hand out a gigantic fuck you to every single AP.net user with something to do with new found glory in their username that's running their mouth about how much nofx sucks, when jordan from new found glory sounds like he has a huge cock stored up each nostel when he sings.

give me a break. i appreciate nothing gold can stay just as much as the next kid - it spins on my ipod every now and then. but do a little homework, show a little appreciation. nobody said you had to like fat mike, or even listen to nofx. but show some respect for the fact that every band on your ipod was influenced in some way or another by nofx. yes, kelly clarkson included.

not everybody who listens to new found glory or any band along that line has to respect or like NoFX / Fat Mike. thats just a stupid thing to say.

[Buried A Lie]

HEY all you little whiney Underoath fucks getting mad at Fat Mike. Read this... Fat Mike is and will always be the shit.

i didnt read but around 3 replies about people saying fat mike is stupid. so what if they dont like fat mike?? stop being so narrow minded and accept that other people have different tastes and views then you.

[LilRyan732]

Haha, I just read all 8 pages and I have nothing new to contribute, but I just thought it was a tad disheartening to know that Fat Mike wasn't serious about joking (WTF)? It's kinda like, how do you know when musicians are being themselves? I know good and well Lil Jon doesn't act they way he acts in music videos in real life (like a dumbass, uneducated negro). Bury Your Dead was soft as fuck on Headbanger's Ball. i don't know where I'm going with this, but for once I want someone to just keep it real from the jump.

[GoodbyeBlueSky]

Scott Weber seems to be a fucking asshole. That's all I've gotten from this forum.

[JakeJones]

Time to stir the pot a little more

Pure speculation here but this is from the journal of Vinnie, Drummer, Less Than Jake.

"Welcome to the 6th week of tour and I watch as bands hit the wall- lately whether its making up medical excuses to leave the tour because they didn’t get what time or main stage slot they wanted, or whether its that certain band members are getting caught with blow and booze and the rest of the band feels the need to police themselves and pack it the fuck in and go home. The wall isn’t just being hit its collapsing on a few bands."

Full story at 11...... or read it here http://www.pickyourpoisons.com/

[Rohan Kohli]

HEY all you little whiney Underoath fucks getting mad at Fat Mike. Read this... Fat Mike is and will always be the shit.

"Sorry folks, as much as I do like controversy, there really isn't any to report on this subject. Underoath have left the Warped Tour, and as much as people want to give me credit for that, the truth is they just really needed a break apparently. Some people have suggested that they bailed because I made too much fun of them (I kinda did). Problem with that theory is that I have made fun of plenty of bands on this tour i.e. Against Me, the Blackhearts, Anti-Flag, Sherwood, The Acadamy Is, Thursday, Less Than Jake, Rise Against, etc. I have also taken plenty of jabs at Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Muslims.

I feel I am an equal opportunist when it comes to getting laughs from an easy target. One thing I really try not to do is make fun of bands that I'm not friends with. That*s why two days into the tour, I introduced myself to the Underoath guys and we have been friendly ever since. Of course we have some differences. They tend to not believe in evolution, dinosaurs, reproductive rights, premarital sex, or gay marriage. Some of them don't even like looking at porn (that*s just crazy). The point is, at some point I sat down with most of them and had quite a few discussions about a lot of these issues.

Every talk we had was civil and respectful and no matter how wrong I think a few of those guys are, there were never any hard feelings between us. They*re actually really nice dudes. Maybe on their summer break they could spend some time reading some other books, instead of just the one." - Fat Mike

What about that statement makes him "the shit"?

[emptyvictory]

hah i think more people give more of a flying fuck about NOFX these days then new found glory dude.

fat mike is the man.

Oh Please! Fat Mike is a large turd in a small toilet

[bjam12]

TSLManager is from Rockville Centre and graduated from SSHS therefore he can do no wrong

stop arguing - you lost

TSLManager is also Underoath's manager.

Sorry - you lost.

[RomeoAGoGo]

TSLManager is also Underoath's manager.

Sorry - you lost.

it was a joke you shmuck

buy yourself a clue

[Scott Weber]

Scott Weber seems to be a fucking asshole. That's all I've gotten from this forum.
Thanks. Explain?

[bjam12]

it was a joke you shmuck

buy yourself a clue

Chill out. I had no idea you were joking.

[ironlionOROKU]

this years warped has been FILLED with angst and just bullshit arguing (a lot like the forums lately)...

it does not surprise me that underoath dropped...they just released a new album and can promote it to the real underoath fans rather than the angsty shitbags making warped suck this year...

[sosadsoemo]

timmy was at the as cities burn show tonight. he kept a really low cover.

[bung]

man, i love drugs. this world is built around them.

[starcrossdlovex]

People are STILL saying they hate fat mike for making uO leave warped. Geez.
Mike talks simply to stir stuff up and make some drama [he's obviously very good at it judging by the 10+ replies on all of these uO threads.] He'll even admit that. UO don't take it personally. It just gets mike's name on people's tongues. His mission's accomplished.

I personally think there's something deeper with the whole situation, but I'm not interested in jumping on the rumor bandwagon. I doubt we'll ever know for sure anyway.

[TgE ARTdamage]

People don't pay money to see you and your girlfriend in your everyday life.

speak for yourself. People pay to see me make out with my girlfriend all the time. :lurk:

[Rxbandit22]

Weber and Marquez need to shut the fuck up and kiss and make up already.
Stop trying to be all intelligent and smart on a damned messageboard.
Don't fight in front of everyone else, go take it out back like real men.

[Broken4EverMore]

I'm sure that all of this has been said... but for some odd reason (people posting the same fucking bullshit?) I feel that it needs to be said again.

1. Fat Mike IS NOT fat (obese) he got the nickname when he went to college and gained a BIT of weight (as many college students do)
2. Yes thats right, I said COLLEGE! Fat Mike attended and graduated from San Fransisco State University with a degree in some sort of political science (I believe)... which is more than can be said for most of the bands today
3. Without NoFx your music as you know it probably wouldn't exist. Him and the rest of his band members were a MAJOR influence on the punk rock scene which has evolved into many different "Sub-genres"

That being said I'll leave you all with a quote from a NoFx song you might enjoy ;)

"Medio-core
It's not forsaken
The music they're makin'
Will leave you with a feeling of indifference
How was the band?
They were okay (okay)
Not great (all right)
But pretty good
They played the songs I knew they would
Some old
Some new
The same formula stays true
We can concur
It's medio-core"
-NoFx

[youcomebeforeyo]

UO's last two albums > NOFX's last seven

[cahrishurr]

Stop Talking About This Situation Please

[True NC Tyler]

if the drug thing is true....i wouldnt be too suprised if it is Spencer that is doing it. I am from the same area he is and I know a guy that worked with him for a while before he became a Christian and later joined UO. The guy has told me several times before that, Spencer(before he became a Christian) would go out partying on a regular basis.

However, I am not trying to say that I think the current drug rumor is true. I hope it isnt true....I am just saying that I wouldnt be completely suprised.

[chokeychicken]

UO's last two albums > NOFX's last seven
punk in drublic > anything underoath will EVER put out.

but i wouldn't expect somebody who enjoys alexisonfire or the new tbs record to understand that.

[dubey]

punk in drublic > anything underoath will EVER put out.

That's a lie.

[sosadsoemo]

if the drug thing is true....i wouldnt be too suprised if it is Spencer that is doing it. I am from the same area he is and I know a guy that worked with him for a while before he became a Christian and later joined UO. The guy has told me several times before that, Spencer(before he became a Christian) would go out partying on a regular basis.


thats pretty much what in regards to self is about. hes not hiding about his past. he has even talked about.

[colormecadence]

Just to cut through the suspense... unless you know the band or you date one of their ex's, it is likely you'll never really find out what happened. They will eventually come out with a polished written statement to the tune of,

"Relationship... blah, blah... important... blah, blah... make it up to you... blah, blah... fans are the most important and best... blah, blah... move on from this... blah... past... blah..."

Here's the kicker... THEY DON"T HAVE TO TELL YOU WHY THEY LEFT THE TOUR. IF IT"S THEIR PERSONAL 'ISH YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY DON'T OFFER IT. If they do, sweet, they will probably be even more loved (and hated) which will be good for their band's future.

This is what makes Underoath such a great band, they are so polarizing. you either love them or hate them, but either way, you're talking about them

[Sinister Rouge]

That's a lie.

Its true...punk in drublic > underoath

I also got to hang out with NOFX backstage and Fat Mike is not the asshole everyone claims him to be.

oh yeah, why can't Jesus play hockey? Because he would get nailed to the boards. I told Hefe that joke. I wonder if they used it.

[azlisa]

nofx is awful. fat mike should be called untalented fat mike.

[TgE ARTdamage]

oh yeah, why can't Jesus play hockey? Because he would get nailed to the boards. I told Hefe that joke. I wonder if they used it.

...i'm not even christian, catholic, or follow any religion, and I even found that to be offensive.

[RomeoAGoGo]

...i'm not even christian, catholic, or follow any religion, and I even found that to be offensive.

pshh that joke was awesome

p.s. hawthorne heights sucks

p.p.s. alexisonfire is awesome

[xbrokendownx]

well reading this thread was a complete waste of time

seriously, some of you people are so fucking annoying. like seriously, making up rumors like that about the band? does that make you feel cool? christ, get a fucking life...

[xPaulWallx]

3. Without NoFx your music as you know it probably wouldn't exist. Him and the rest of his band members were a MAJOR influence on the punk rock scene which has evolved into many different "Sub-genres"

That being said I'll leave you all with a quote from a NoFx song you might enjoy ;)

"Medio-core
It's not forsaken
The music they're makin'
Will leave you with a feeling of indifference
How was the band?
They were okay (okay)
Not great (all right)
But pretty good
They played the songs I knew they would
Some old
Some new
The same formula stays true
We can concur
It's medio-core"
-NoFx

number 3 is such bullshit, dont act like nofx started punk or made that big of a contribution. and that quote is funny to me cause it reminds me of nofx more than anything else. plus san fran st sounds like a shitty ass school, there are tons of idiots with college degrees out there and to me fat mike is one of them. granted underoath fans are way too into their band and think they are too great but i feel that nofx fans are even worse, they all think their band is the best punk band in the world ever or something. both bands are mediocre and probably havent done much to affect music and its history and the whole scheme of music overall.

[xPaulWallx]

Just to cut through the suspense... unless you know the band or you date one of their ex's, it is likely you'll never really find out what happened. They will eventually come out with a polished written statement to the tune of,

"Relationship... blah, blah... important... blah, blah... make it up to you... blah, blah... fans are the most important and best... blah, blah... move on from this... blah... past... blah..."

Here's the kicker... THEY DON"T HAVE TO TELL YOU WHY THEY LEFT THE TOUR. IF IT"S THEIR PERSONAL 'ISH YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY DON'T OFFER IT. If they do, sweet, they will probably be even more loved (and hated) which will be good for their band's future.

This is what makes Underoath such a great band, they are so polarizing. you either love them or hate them, but either way, you're talking about them granted they dont have to say anything or explain it, which i am sure they wont, but by doing that thats where crazy rumors like the drug ones stem from, and by not explaining the situation they will probably have a bunch of fans now thinking they quit the tour because of drug use. i guess thats just how it goes though...ps. just about any band polarizes fans in some way, shit ashlee simpson polarizes people, that characteristic is not unique to underoath at all, you sound like a underoath fanatic who would love it even if they made the worst cd ever. i guess they can never do wrong in your eyes?

[xPaulWallx]

oh yeah, why can't Jesus play hockey? Because he would get nailed to the boards. I told Hefe that joke. I wonder if they used it.

i am catholic and i think that joke is hilarious, havent heard it before. the only one i know only really works visually but ill say it anyways in case anyone wants to use it later...Q: why was jesus so popular with the ladies? A: he was hung like this (while saying this you are supposed to hold out your arms like you are on a cross), it works better visually in person like i said...

[mrpostman]

so when I was first getting into the whole punk thing when I was younger i heard about nofx, gave them a little listening, and didn't understand the fuss about them. 10 years later and I am still confused about the fuss, to me they sound like 14 year old kids banging around trying to be as punk rock as they can. I know this statement will piss people off, but I just really want to know what is so great about them besides the typical they have influenced so many bands and have been around 20 years answers. Just because a band has been around 20 years doesn't automatically make them great, also being around 20 years there is bound to be a few bands that think they are good. And finally, since they have been around 20 years out of respect people don't say a whole lot negative to them and let them say whatever the heck they want. That is how it is.....ok now I will wait and filter through the hate and I hope to read at least one reply letting me know what exactly is so great about NOFX....thanks

ps....who cares why underoath dropped out...it doesn't matter....

[shesautomatic]

Fuck Fat Mike, he is just jealous of Underoath and their success, seeing that nobody gives a flying fuck about NOFX or his stupid ideas anymore.

that statement would come from someone with the name "newfoundglory04." geek

[gottastayfly]

this is insane. i really thought this was something worth hearing about. Im more of an Underoath fan, but am open to everything. This is weird to me....its like someone said earlier..they seem like really sensitive guys.

I dunno maybe its just me, but when you claim something like christianity [as i do] sometimes you just have to roll with the punches...not drop off one of the biggest indie rock/emo/hardcore tours in the USA. Good luck getting on Ozzfest, I'm sure all those bands are super nice and dont talk trash haha

I love underoath, I just dont see this as a real reason to drop off a tour such as this. I could see if this was a NOFX/UNDEROATH/and another. Then I can see how they'd jump ship....but not over this b.s.

[swizzle]

http://www.punknews.org/article/18930 (http://www.punknews.org/article/18930)

now STFU.
i like fat mikes comment at the end about UO just reading one book

[Chris Fallon]

Man, this thread is retarded. Not just because of Pat and Scott's debate - not to say you are both retarded or anything, haha - but because a lot of these n00bs posting make this site look incredibly juvenile. I'm ashamed to say that I am embarrassed to post in the news section so much, but since I'm not a regular yet, I have to meander in here and see all these "punk" kids who think they know everything and start rumors/gossip and say incredibly stupid ass comments. Grow up.

[N8IVIin0rity]

*paying respect to nofx.
/sarcasm
k.
Scott Weber & xPaulWallx: 1; Pat Marquez: 0.
(htownrep%)

[plain white t's]

hah i think more people give more of a flying fuck about NOFX these days then new found glory dude.

fat mike is the man.

fat mike is the man

[miltownrob]

i heard that one of UO member's say omen which got the rest of the band pissed

[TommyGunn]

Honesty is important, especially if you are in the band Underoath. You want to protect your image guys? Let's start by being honest. I hope you aren't lying about the drugs. I don't know what to think, it just seems like everyone is playing damage control for the sake of record sales.

If you know what you are doing is irresponsible and has the possiblity to be discovered, don't do it. We all know that is easier said then done, but this is just getting out of hand with all this "he said, she said" non sense.


Oh jesus fucking christ. Shut up you pathetic peice of shit.

[TommyGunn]

You're the only one that's pathetic by parading around threads demanding integrity and honesty like you know there's something to be honest about. For all you know, or I know, or ANYBODY knows, the band was fighting with each other and they're taking time off - or less. Yet, you bring up drugs and demand "honesty" like there's something horrible to come clean about. THAT is where your arrogance comes into play. And what is my bias? I am not friends with Underoath, how can you compare this to All time Low? The "he said she said" attitude comes from somebody else reading this thread and coming out of it with the basic implication that you're putting forward (while trying to dance around and failing) that drugs were involved - then passing along that gossip to somebody else. That's so unprofessional of you to do, and it makes this website look horrible. Congrats.

edit: I responded to this before you edited your post to look more professional and less irrational. Still doesn't change what you said. You get singled out because of the way you come across. You're making a lot of enemies.


shit. I agree with Scott Weber for the first time ever.

[TommyGunn]

Fuck Underoath. Shitty bands like Underoath need to realize that their music is awful and no one will care about them in matter of years. I'm not even a big NOFX fan (and I hate Fat Mike's politics and punkvoter.com), but someone needs to stand up and say something. I support anyone making fun of these bands as often as possible, whether it's with words or pictures like this:
http://altpress.com/specials/warped2006/bands/nofx.jpg


This coming from the Green Day / New Found Glory fan. So punk.

[TommyGunn]

I'm sure that all of this has been said... but for some odd reason (people posting the same fucking bullshit?) I feel that it needs to be said again.

1. Fat Mike IS NOT fat (obese) he got the nickname when he went to college and gained a BIT of weight (as many college students do)
2. Yes thats right, I said COLLEGE! Fat Mike attended and graduated from San Fransisco State University with a degree in some sort of political science (I believe)... which is more than can be said for most of the bands today
3. Without NoFx your music as you know it probably wouldn't exist. Him and the rest of his band members were a MAJOR influence on the punk rock scene which has evolved into many different "Sub-genres"



1. Yes he is.

2. Wow. San Fran State. That is a quality educational establishment.

3. I think my music would be fine without nofx

[MotionIsntMeaning]

i cannot believe i just read this entire thread. i should have known better.

[joshluke2003]

Of course honesty is important. They are called UNDEROATH.

That was down right hilarious!!!!

[billcom7]

I read this thread while listening to the new Underoath cd, it syncs up just like pink floyd and the wizard of oz.
I don't care why they left, or that fat mike is a tool, all I care is that they get whatever problems they have worked out so they tour some more in the near future.

[bikescene]

Weber and Marquez - just shut up and battle with swords.

[bikescene]

Man, this thread is retarded. Not just because of Pat and Scott's debate - not to say you are both retarded or anything, haha - but because a lot of these n00bs posting make this site look incredibly juvenile. I'm ashamed to say that I am embarrassed to post in the news section so much, but since I'm not a regular yet, I have to meander in here and see all these "punk" kids who think they know everything and start rumors/gossip and say incredibly stupid ass comments. Grow up.

Shut up. N00B.

[Broken4EverMore]

number 3 is such bullshit, dont act like nofx started punk or made that big of a contribution. and that quote is funny to me cause it reminds me of nofx more than anything else. plus san fran st sounds like a shitty ass school, there are tons of idiots with college degrees out there and to me fat mike is one of them. granted underoath fans are way too into their band and think they are too great but i feel that nofx fans are even worse, they all think their band is the best punk band in the world ever or something. both bands are mediocre and probably havent done much to affect music and its history and the whole scheme of music overall.

Im not acting like NoFx started punk... Punk in its earliest form was started in Detroit, Michigan by MC5 in the mid sixties.

It doesn't matter if you like NoFx, NoFx played a major role in helping to shape punk into what its become and helping it become more mainstream... If you asked some of todays bands who influenced them when they were younger you might be suprised with the number that would put NoFx in that list.

Bottom line is, like it or not, Fat Mike and NoFx DID have a major influence on our "scene" (no I'm not saying it was ALL him or even all NoFx but they can't be overlooked when discussing the issue)

Overall I respect your personal opinion and taste in music but trash talking a band or person is just childish and lame, if you don't like them thats cool with me just keep it to yourself.

As for the whole Underoath leaving Warped Tour thing, I don't really see why it's anyones business as to why they dropped off the tour and definantly no one is in any place to make accusations at the band. For all we know they could have just had a little tift and decided it would be best to spend some time apart from eachother.

As a side note I'm not biased on the issue, I like Underoath and am upset that I didn't get to see them. Also, I am in no way supporting NoFx's shots at Underoath. To be honest I don't feel that it was necessary to say some of the things that have been said especially in regards to their religious beliefs.

[mps]

Haha, I love Fat Mike.

[niceshoes1982]

ya know what ill stand by FAT MIKE, why because i belive in dinosaurs.
and its crazy if you cant come to terms that they tend to not believe in evolution, dinosaurs, reproductive rights, premarital sex, or gay marriage. Some of them don't even like looking at porn (that*s just crazy).

and ive been a fan of UNDEROATH since a was a wee one. but none the less this is how wars start. beliving in something so strongly, that it just drives you crazy.
Its hard to belive we used to be apes. but i mean we have pleaty of bananas now, so lets not fight about it lets learn how to live together.

love always i guess

[colormecadence]

Personally, I don't give a crap one way or another about Underoath leaving the tour, or, for that matter, wheather or not they can "do no wrong" in my eyes, as was so nicely stated earlier, that's irrelevant.

The only point I am making here is that if they don't want to explain it to the public, they don't have to, as long as they work it out with the right people (label, tour directors, etc.); and they will have to deal with the consequences, one way or another.