Grunge Music

[matchbox202006]

Honestly, this is a stupid point and argument, but my brother and I are idiotically feuding over it. Grunge music, is whatever it is. It is honestly a term coined mostly by ther media to describe a look that the muscians had, but it became a trademark sound as well. Nirvana was a perfect example. But, i was just mentioning about how only a couple Foo Fighters songs sound grunge influenced to me, like Everlong sounds a little grungey to me, and my brother went on saying that no band other than Nirvana and maybe a couple others are actually grunge. I agree that Pearl Jam got a misconception as grunge, but i also think Candlebox is and my brother doesn't agree on that . Anyway, I was just wondering, what is your take on what makes a song or band grunge, and or post-grunge? All opinions welcome (guess i'm just asking for it.)

[xJesusFreakx]

Grunge:
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Post grunge:
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[matchbox202006]

Grunge:
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Post grunge:
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huh?

[FueledByRock]

huh?
What's there not to get?

[matchbox202006]

What's there not to get?

tell me

[shes.a.ghost]

At the time, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, ect. were labeled grunge. Candlebox, Bush, Silverchair, ect. were the bands that were influenced by those band and then became successful. Creed, Days Of The New, ect. came after, but should not be lumped in with the aforementioned bands.

[yayitsjoe]

i read a definition of grunge as "the type of music that many young rock bands coming out of seattle in the early 90's played."

i think it's pretty reasonable.

[shes.a.ghost]

i read a definition of grunge as "the type of music that many young rock bands coming out of seattle in the early 90's played."

i think it's pretty reasonable.The statement is true, but that is not an adequate definition by any means.

[Joeypeapot777]

Candlebox's first album was grunge, it came out in 93, which was really grunge's last year. But bands like creed should even be mentioned in the discussion of grunge. they were influenced by it. but the dude from boys likes girls was influenced by jimmy eat world.

[Candy654]

huh?

I think Hole and Nirvana are grunge...but new Creed is just crap.

[liarsenic678]

i read a definition of grunge as "the type of music that many young rock bands coming out of seattle in the early 90's played."

i think it's pretty reasonable.

yes but Stone Temple Pilots are grunge and the ARENT from Seattle......... They Came outta Los Angeles

[Hagysaurus Rex]

yes but Stone Temple Pilots are grunge and the ARENT from Seattle......... They Came outta Los Angeles

You beat me to it.

[Hagysaurus Rex]

IMHO:

Grunge: Nirvana, STP, Bush, first Candlebox CD, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Temple of the Dog, Hole, Smashing Pumpkins, Silverchair (to some extent )etc.

Grunge died around 1995ish (if not sooner). Even though there were grungy or grunge-lite bands after (creed) they don't get the grunge label. Take it from me. I'm old enough to remember a lot of this.

[tonighttonight0]

IMHO:

Grunge: Nirvana, STP, Bush, first Candlebox CD, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Temple of the Dog, Hole, Smashing Pumpkins, Silverchair (to some extent )etc.

Grunge died around 1995ish (if not sooner). Even though there were grungy or grunge-lite bands after (creed) they don't get the grunge label. Take it from me. I'm old enough to remember a lot of this.
Smashing Pumpkins were always a bit too something else to be grunge, even on Gish it wasn't quite grunge.

[cshadows2887]

STP are not grunge. They and Bush were the first of the post-grunge.

Though, let's face it. Pearl Jam, AIC, Nirvana and Soundgarden really don't belong in the same genre whatsoever. Grunge is a sham.

[Sloth7]

As someone who grew up heavily listening to what many would refer to as "grunge", here's how I'd view it: The term grunge was more of a media name thrown on bands of the early 90's, primarily out of Seattle, often bands who worked with Sub-Pop Records. Essentially if a band wrote self-reflective, angst-filled lyrics, wore flannel and rejected the over-the-top 80's glam rock feel, they were labeled as grunge, when the funny thing is none of those bands liked that term in the first place.

The earliest bands to be considered grunge were Mudhoney, Green River, Mother Love Bone, The Melvins, etc... Although the main four that were prominent in the early 90's were Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. Basically they took alternative music and added influences of distorted punk, classic rock, and/or metal. Most of these artists ignored the term, Kurt Cobain once referred to grunge as just "punk music slowed down." Essentially these were all just rock bands, but compared to the decadent glamor of the 80's, radio, magazines, labels and MTV needed to give this movement a title.

Post grunge was everything that was influenced by these bands that came later on, from the mid 90's bands like Stone Temple Pilots, Candlebox, Bush, Live, Foo Fighters and Silverchair to later 90's music like Creed and Days of the New. Long story short, this is all rock or alternative music. Post grunge is a silly evolution of grunge which was a nonsensical term to start with.

And as far as The Smashing Pumpkins, they were never called grunge. While lyrically, they could've fallen under that umbrella, musically and location wise, they were always different enough to not fit the bill. Chicago was completely different from Seattle, being known more for more offbeat Touch & Go bands like Urge Overkill and Big Black.

[PutUpOrShutUp77]

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[Hagysaurus Rex]

STP are not grunge. They and Bush were the first of the post-grunge.

Though, let's face it. Pearl Jam, AIC, Nirvana and Soundgarden really don't belong in the same genre whatsoever. Grunge is a sham.

I always thought that the term "grunge" was a term made up by the media to classify, essentially what was angsty punk rock when there was nothing else like it coming on to the radio. They had to call it something, so that word was thrown around so much that it lost its meaning by the the movement was dying out. Kinda what happened to the word emo, I guess?

Also, I think I have to disagree with with your "STP are not grunge" statement. Core fits right in with that sound, so much that when "Sex Type Thing" came out, people were asking Eddie Vedder about it, thinking that it was a new Pearl Jam song. Granted by the time they made Shangra la de da or however it's spelled, they sounded nothing like their first album.

[Hagysaurus Rex]

Smashing Pumpkins were always a bit too something else to be grunge, even on Gish it wasn't quite grunge.

Agreed, actually. They got labeled as grunge with the sub pop ties and distorted guitars, but I always thought that they were a lot more "artsy" than what was called grunge at the time.

[love_american_style]

there really isn't such a thing as grunge to be honest.

just punk played "sloppier" (sloppier? is theat even a word)

[ned.89]

The first creed cd shows how it's easy to classify them as post-grunge.

[love_american_style]

only a couple people on this thread know what they're talking about.

[cshadows2887]

Even if you don't think I know what I'm talking about, you have The Dude as your avatar, so I'm okay with it.

[love_american_style]

Smashing Pumpkins were always a bit too something else to be grunge, even on Gish it wasn't quite grunge.

some form of shoegaze.

Even if you don't think I know what I'm talking about, you have The Dude as your avatar, so I'm okay with it.

you were right for the most part...but back in the day STP was considered grunge.

I don't wanna be that guy...but I should know...I'm from that era.

[cshadows2887]

some form of shoegaze.



you were right for the most part...but back in the day STP was considered grunge.

I don't wanna be that guy...but I should know...I'm from that era.

Haha. Fair 'nuff. I know I stand alone on not lumping STP in there. Though I don't know why I care since I also argue that grunge as a genre doesn't really mean anything.

For real how does fuzzy/bleak semi-punk, murky/odd-signatured/oft-acoustic hamonized sludge, and semi-psychadelic rock with a Zeppelin hard-on all end up being the same genre?

[mantipede]

I'm 12 and what is this?

[love_american_style]

Haha. Fair 'nuff. I know I stand alone on not lumping STP in there. Though I don't know why I care since I also argue that grunge as a genre doesn't really mean anything.

For real how does fuzzy/bleak semi-punk, murky/odd-signatured/oft-acoustic hamonized sludge, and semi-psychadelic rock with a Zeppelin hard-on all end up being the same genre?

because the media tends to put a label on what is a little unique.

[love_american_style]

I'm 12 and what is this?

:banned:

[mantipede]

:banned:

:) I only say this because I was sort of surprised by the grunge topic.

[Mike1021]

grunge is a fashion style

[TheProsAndCons]

Grunge = the emo of it's day (and yeah, I know emo broke out around the same time as grunge, but as in mainstrem status)

[Jali]

My interpretation: There are really 2 meanings for the word "grunge"

1. A halfway point between Hardcore punk and slow heavy metal. Ie: Nirvana (bleach era only), Melvins, Mudhoney, Early Soundgarden

2. The above term mis-interpreted by the media as a genre made to describe the album Nevermind. Which, ironically, is the album where Nirvana really stopped being a grunge band and became an alternative/arty pop band. The "grunge" bands that followed this were merely jumping on Nirvana's bandwagon. (why do you think soundgarden changed their sound)

[kim_nokiamusic]

This is easy. Did you ever put out a single on Sub Pop/ Did Kevin Kerslake direct one of your videos? Then there you are.

Also, who cares. It wasn't even a thing. They invented the term to sell clothes. I know. I'm old.

[matchbox202006]

STP are not grunge. They and Bush were the first of the post-grunge.

Though, let's face it. Pearl Jam, AIC, Nirvana and Soundgarden really don't belong in the same genre whatsoever. Grunge is a sham.

That's why i was confused because Pearl Jam and Nirvana sound so drastically different that i just couldn't believe the grunge label they both were given. But, i've also heard Nirvana named punk and experimental. what the hell are they anyway?

[matchbox202006]

I'm 12 and what is this?

Well, i posted a fair question and got fair answers so all is fair. Fair.

[trashrock]

the God Bullies ?

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[jasn88cubs]

I hate Grunge. Alot