thoughts on school

[boysdontcry17]

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So? is this a valid statement? or merely the product of crazed libertarian beliefs.

[XoXoX.ash.XoXoX]

We don't have the best world leaders that make the wisest of decisions but that's just the way it is. Okay so if we didn't have compulsary schooling things would be a mess. I can't quite imagine kids willing wanting to go to school and not every parent (nor would every parent have the paitence or tolerance) has time to home school their child. People need to be educated and become aware of the issues that surround them so in future they are able to contribute to the world in a positive manner effectivly. So, compulsary schooling is a neccercy means of controlling the people. If this system wasn't put in place, what would be used to replace it? And if nothing was there to replace it, then that's just spells trouble all round. -interesting picture

[Heartcore]

public schooling has actually made me angrier and more spiteful than anything else

[boysdontcry17]

i suppose it does more good than harm

[shane hennessey]

its all about private school. fuck government cheese

[preppyak]

i suppose it does more good than harm

That's my belief so far. Home Schooling usually doesn't work for two reasons in my mind:

1. Many parents just aren't intelligent enough to do it...not through the entire level of school...and school in general is the way kids become more successful than their parents, get better jobs, etc. I mean, if I think of the guys in my construction job, their kids would end up in the ditches just like them because of a lack of education. It's a poor theory...basically the "rich get richer", only in intellect, etc.

2. Isn't hiring a tutor just like sending them school anyway...sure, it may be more personalized, but then even more so, the teacher's views will influence the kid.

And assuming that a kid will have the drive to learn on his own is wrong really...if the kid has that drive, he will only excel more in a schooled environment, as he will gain knowledge while questioning and investigating it further.

School's provide the structure for learning, as well as keeping (most of) the kids off the streets during the day and largely out of trouble...works pretty well. Sure the structure will hurt some kids growth, but the truly intelligent will overcome it (Albert Einstein story)

its all about private school. fuck government cheese
They can be great...but the ones that are mind-factories to send kids to Harvard (I'm thinking the "Dead Poet's Society" form) don't teach usable knowledge always, they teach college knowledge

maybe the better question is "how do we improve public schools...what do we change?"

[x togepi x]

college knowledge is just as usable as high school knowledge. it just depends if you're going to be pretentious about it and just use it to intellectually masturbate or if you are actually going to do something with it.

[Rebs]

I think the statement contains some validity, yet our school system seems to be doing better things than just brainwashing. We should be looking more toward school reform rather than complete elimination.

[lawofaverages]

children who get home schooled tend to lack the social skills that children who go to public, and even private, schools develop. and in my own experience, ive noticed that kids who go to catholic school/private schools tend to be more fucked up once they get out into the real world because they finally have some taste of freedom and they dont know how to appropriately use it.

[shane hennessey]

ive noticed that kids who go to catholic school/private schools tend to be more fucked up once they get out into the real world because they finally have some taste of freedom and they dont know how to appropriately use it.
ummm no. i went to a boarding/day school and i can say I am not fucked up. I went to a school of 400 kids with students from over 23 different countries. There is more social interaction between those 400 kids than most public school kids get. Most kids from my class alone went to top 30 schools in America and I can say that we have extremely successful alumni. There is a lot of controversy between public and private but you cant deny the facts. Ill just name some alums

Gustavo Cisneros, Chairman & CEO, Cisneros Group of Companies (Owns 3/4 of South America basically)
Leigh Perkins (President and CEO, Orvis)
Jim Tisch, Presidnet & CEO, Loews Corp.
Gerry Parksy, Chairman, Aurora Capital Partners
Vinnie Del Negro (Former NBA basketball player)
Roger Faxon (President/CEO, EMI Music)

I could go on and on about my classmates who's parents are leading men and women in todays society. 9 times out of 10, private school kids are not fuck ups. Yes, i knew a few but they got htemselves kicked out before they graduated.

[FScott]

ur a ****** dude

[shane hennessey]

ur a ****** dude
if that was directed towards me, i felt the need to respond to such an ignorant statement. i am no way superficial, stuck up or any of that shit but that kid had no right to say what he did. i dont care where anyone goes to school, i went to both public and private, and good students at any school can go anywhere that they want to in life. but to say that i along with thousands of other private school kids tend to be fucked when we get out of college beacuse we have no social skills or habits is just rediculous. my personal opinion on this entire topic is that homeschooling probably wouldnt help a student anymore than public school, it could probably even hurt them. to think that the government is using mind controrl through the public school system is just asinine and anyone that agrees is basically living life in fear.

[FScott]

i love u

[Lee McGee]

You know, there are millions of children in the world who do not have the means to get a proper education and here we are debating over something like this.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I see where it's coming from, but at the same time, all of you have the means to get an education and your worried about it being used as some sort of brainwashing mechanism? It's what you do with your education that will determine if your being controlled or not.

[lawofaverages]

that kid had no right to say what he did.

i had plenty of a right to say that. and what i said was specifically what I have noticed, it was NOT a nation wide statistic. you straight up flipped shit over my own personal experiences. if you had better communication skills, you could have, instead of contradicting my freedom of speech, given actual nation wide statistics for private school students. instead, you gave exactly what i gave, person experience. just because you had a successful graduating class doesn't mean every private school does, especially the one in my town. the biggest drug dealers in my town came out of that school and most of the girls that got knocked up before getting the chance to graduate from high school came out of that school.

[boysdontcry17]

You know, there are millions of children in the world who do not have the means to get a proper education and here we are debating over something like this.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I see where it's coming from, but at the same time, all of you have the means to get an education and your worried about it being used as some sort of brainwashing mechanism? It's what you do with your education that will determine if your being controlled or not.

very good sir.

[gillianhsieh]

i love school and a highly educated populace is key to maintaining competitiveness in a nation. or at least SOME people have to be highly educated. like... professors and universities and crap, and research. we don't all have to have PhDs but i think compulsory education levels the playing field so more than just rich people can have those opportunities.

but i really think compulsory education should have room, like waivers or something, for vocational training, if a kid is not really taht into traditional school but knows he/she wants to be an auto mechanic or something like that.

[boysdontcry17]

ohhhhhhhh a lady ;)

i value your opinion and you made a good point

[crwhite21]

public schooling has actually made me angrier and more spiteful than anything else

Then do something about it. Become a teacher and teach the way you see fit. That's the beauty in an otherwise disfigured system.

As for the original question, it all depends on the teacher. Granted, I have been raised in one of the lowest ranked education systems, but I have seen far more educators attempting to teach students than those trying to condition (one of whom lost a senate race and his test questions included "in Mr. xxx's opinion..." and another whom freely editted editorials in the school newspaper and took off points for not using his method of memorization in a theater class.

[VinnyVegas]

I think that the cartoon is referring to the content of what is being taught in school.

An example would be how we paint the U.S. in an overwhelming positive light in history classes. The reality is that the U.S. is just as messed up as the rest of the world, if not more so in many cases. The problem is that the opposing view is never taught, thus many view it as a form of conditioning. There are tons of examples, you get the idea.

The other thing that the cartoon might refer to is the socializing nature (see obedience training) of schools in the U.S. We are taught to obey authority figures in school. We are taught that the "good" people are the ones who follow the rules. This make people believe that the only way to gain societal acceptance is through compliance with the rules. The rules are defined by those in power, thus they control you.

[Skacialist]

I also believe the schooling system of many western countries is used as a sort of "obedience training" to some extent. I would say that grades K-8 would be more like this. As I entered highschool I found it to be less like this. I actually learned a few things in my freshman year (entering sophmore in a week). So believe what you want, It may be right, I don't feel it has changed me for the worse.

[sloppysoothsaye]

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So? is this a valid statement? or merely the product of crazed libertarian beliefs.


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school = indoctrination.

[selftitled85]

i went to public school...

and i will say without a doubt that private school is overrated beyond belief. the only thing i feel private schools get you is the name and an ego.

i can tell you from 90% people i met who went to places such as blair or del barton that the only reason that they will do well is because 1) they have lots of money 2) their parents are famous and will give them whatever they want 3) colleges look at the school and think they are greater than sliced bread.

most of the private schools i know of have more drug problems and bigger douche bags because of the fact they are richer.

i went to public school...i go to a public university now and i am happy i did. i met people from some top notch universities and it made me hate their guts with the way they go about things.

most of them live in this fantasy world and not the real world. they dont know what it is like to have a college debt which will have to be paid off in the next 10 or so years after graduation. they dont understand what its like to scrape the bottom of the barrel just to get by

they make it a lot of times because like someone said before...their parents are world famous.

it sucks but thats the way it rolls...if i were president of a big marketing firm and i had to pick between cisneros' son and some kid who has pretty much the same credentials but lesser known school and has no big name...you're damn right im gonna pick cisneros' son.

[Broken Parachute]

I go to Private school. The public schools in my area all blow with the exception of maybe 1 or 2.

[selftitled85]

i really dont think its about the school. you can go to the shittiest public school but be the most gifted student ever.

the system is fucked because while private funds itself and takes care of all materials...public schools dont get the top teachers...the newest text books...better protection for students...etc.

where i went to public school it is pretty middle class. no one is really rich...the top people went to schools like haverford or drew...but nothing amazing...not because they werent smart enough...but becasue they didnt have the money and the financial aid wasnt there.

that does not mean that private is better than public.


you also should know that some of our best and brightest leaders didnt go to private school either...most went to public. clinton grew up in a fucking trailor park.

[boysdontcry17]

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school = indoctrination.

ok ok, but is this indictrination such a bad thing
by that i mean is it better than having no education
because once we learn what they teach us we are able to judge it and criticize it

however, i think they expect you to swallow it all without questions

[selftitled85]

ok ok, but is this indictrination such a bad thing
by that i mean is it better than having no education
because once we learn what they teach us we are able to judge it and criticize it

however, i think they expect you to swallow it all without questions

thats so wrong.

you are only taught a small sample of each thing. primarily to try and garner interest in you. when you are interested in a subject you will look it up yourself and then go to college to learn more about it.

all high school is pretty much a pre-college general education.

[Broken Parachute]

i really dont think its about the school. you can go to the shittiest public school but be the most gifted student ever.

the system is fucked because while private funds itself and takes care of all materials...public schools dont get the top teachers...the newest text books...better protection for students...etc.

where i went to public school it is pretty middle class. no one is really rich...the top people went to schools like haverford or drew...but nothing amazing...not because they werent smart enough...but becasue they didnt have the money and the financial aid wasnt there.

that does not mean that private is better than public.


you also should know that some of our best and brightest leaders didnt go to private school either...most went to public. clinton grew up in a fucking trailor park.
I agree but there are schools that are so bad that teachers are being harrassed during class and students are causing distractions. In a private school, that's not often tolerated. If a kid disrespects a teacher in my class, he can expect alot of detentions and depending on how bad it is, maybe even suspension/expulsion. In public school, there are kids who throw shit at teachers and don't even get in trouble. No matter how smart you are, sometimes there's alot of shit to be dealt with.

[selftitled85]

has any teacher ever told you free thought is bad?

or that what they are saying is the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth?

and the answer is hell no.

the truth is the youth of today are fucking lazy and accept what is said as so...

[Broken Parachute]

has any teacher ever told you free thought is bad?

or that what they are saying is the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth?

and the answer is hell no.

the truth is the youth of today are fucking lazy and accept what is said as so...
Was that directed at me? I'm confused hahaha

[selftitled85]

Was that directed at me? I'm confused hahaha

nope i just didnt feel like quoting boysdontcry again. it was directed at him primarily but overall all around.

[boysdontcry17]

thats so wrong.

you are only taught a small sample of each thing. primarily to try and garner interest in you. when you are interested in a subject you will look it up yourself and then go to college to learn more about it.

all high school is pretty much a pre-college general education.

oh well i wasnt refering to the classes themselves. like biology and chemistry and such.
i meant other, more abstract concepts like the idea that success is directly related to economics and so on.

i do agree that high school is a preparation for college.

[selftitled85]

oh well i wasnt refering to the classes themselves. like biology and chemistry and such.
i meant other, more abstract concepts like the idea that success is directly related to economics and so on.

i do agree that high school is a preparation for college.

well if you dont think sucess is directly related to economics then you arent too bright. im sorry man but economics...if you are smart and know your shit....can pretty much tell the future for many things and can get you so much money. hence why economists rake in the dough.

[hXc_pwnage]

Public school is in dire need of reform.

[boysdontcry]

Public school is in dire need of reform.
Thanks for the insight, captain obvious.

[boysdontcry17]

well if you dont think sucess is directly related to economics then you arent too bright. im sorry man but economics...if you are smart and know your shit....can pretty much tell the future for many things and can get you so much money. hence why economists rake in the dough.

theres alot of shit they cant predict
and i suppose it depends on your definition of success

[boysdontcry]

theres alot of shit they cant predict
and i suppose it depends on your definition of success
Success may or may not directly correlate with economics. It depends on what your idea of success is, financial or personal. Personally I'd like to be fucking rich so I could buy the batmobile.