Mississippi high school cancels prom instead of allowing lesbian couple attend

[bladerdude360]

A high school in Mississippi decided that rather than allow a lesbian couple, both of whom were students at the school, to attend prom and wear a tuxedo, they would cancel the event entirely. Even after the ACLU filed a lawsuit and told the school that banning same-sex prom dates "violated students' rights," the school stood by their decision. Walker, the mayor of the town believes that "the community as a whole is probably in support of the school district," and a pastor concedes that some people may not agree with the decision, but "a lot more people here have biblically based values."

Here's the article if you want to read the whole thing: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lesbian_prom_date

What are your thoughts?

[TotalCollapse]

That is absolutely ridiculous.

[TROKyle]

...wow

[Smash Adams]

Remember this is the same state that had segregated proms at one school as late as 2007
http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/kamikaze_prom_night/

[.invisible ink.]

that's unbelievable. we live in a very messed up world that this sort of discrimination is permissible in this day and age.

[saysmydoctor]

I think we can see a civil suit that will destroy countless careers and cost that district tens of thousands of dollars in no time.

[J.C.]

Oh, skycake.

[ryanhorizons]

fuck that! leave religion out of peoples lives!

[showmethefever]

Remember this is the same state that had segregated proms at one school as late as 2007
http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/kamikaze_prom_night/
Exactly. As sad as it is, this kind of shit should almost be expected from places run solely on personal morals, rather than any form of rational reasoning.

[GeeBee]

Already being discussed in the official LGBT thread...which is WHY they created that thread.

[Max_123]

:hitself:

[bladerdude360]

Already being discussed in the official LGBT thread...which is WHY they created that thread.
My bad, I didn't see the thread when I went into the politics forum. Feel free to have a moderator delete this.

[White]

Oh, skycake.

This.

[Kid B]

Incredible.

[And Hours Pass]

Remember this is the same state that had segregated proms at one school as late as 2007
http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/kamikaze_prom_night/
I had heard about the absurdity of the current situation, but hadn't heard about this.

I will never stop being amazed by the breaches of civil rights and liberties in this country. It is baffling.

[greenteaallday]

America still needs to fix itself.

[re7ard1337]

Oh, skycake.

why are you so delicious?

[percussionguita]

Yeah yeah representin' the bible belt. But seriously this is ridiculous. I'll tell you another thing; my home county is trying to vote to go wet but all these religious communities are still voting no. Leave religion out of it and do what's best for the community.

[cory-182]

I have no problem with gays/lesbians.

But she's extremely selfish for letting this get in the way of ruining prom for all of her classmates. After she made a fuss, she should have dropped it.

[caveBEAR]

I have no problem with gays/lesbians.

But she's extremely selfish for letting this get in the way of ruining prom for all of her classmates. After she made a fuss, she should have dropped it.

:squint: Bad attempt at sarcasm?

[J.C.]

That girl is nothing but selfish. She was trying to prove a point and ended up ruining it for everyone.

She looks like a total bitch just by looking at her picture. All girls I've know who look like her are bitches.


Never go full retard.

[cory-182]

:squint: Bad attempt at sarcasm?

No. Not at all. If it came down to me proving a point or ruining a once in a lifetime night for all my fellow students, I'd drop it.

[caveBEAR]

No. Not at all. If it came down to me proving a point or ruining a once in a lifetime night for all my fellow students, I'd drop it.

Right, so she should be barred from a once in a lifetime night to keep people's sensibilities from being rattled, right?

[cory-182]

Right, so she should be barred from a once in a lifetime night to keep people's sensibilities from being rattled, right?

Yeah. You're right. Let's forget about the majority here. Always got to appease everyone. Sorry, but majority rules.

[JGood4]

What a joke.

[caveBEAR]

Yeah. You're right. Let's forget about the majority here. Always got to appease everyone. Sorry, but majority rules.

You know who were the real victims of the 60's Marches on Washington? The people stuck in traffic. If only those damn 3/5th'ers had just stayed home and not been so damn selfish...whatever happened to the majority anyway?!

[cory-182]

You know who were the real victims of the 60's Marches on Washington? The people stuck in traffic. If only those damn 3/5th'ers had just stayed home and not been so damn selfish...whatever happened to the majority anyway?!

I understand the underlying issues here. If it were more than a few people, I'd have a different opinion. She's a high school student. She's not trying to change the law. She tried rattling things up in a small conservative town, which she did. Rather than drop it, she took it to the point where she ruined it for everyone.

[Plutonio]

A totally sensible decision. If it's for Christians, it must be good.

[caveBEAR]

I understand the underlying issues here. If it were more than a few people, I'd have a different opinion. She's a high school student. She's not trying to change the law. She tried rattling things up in a small conservative town, which she did. Rather than drop it, she took it to the point where she ruined it for everyone.

How exactly was she rattling things up? Seems to me like she just wanted to go to prom, much like all the other kids you're so worried about.

[Plutonio]

I understand the underlying issues here. If it were more than a few people, I'd have a different opinion. She's a high school student. She's not trying to change the law. She tried rattling things up in a small conservative town, which she did. Rather than drop it, she took it to the point where she ruined it for everyone.
Prom isn't that big of a deal. However, discrimination is. Therefore, one trumps the other; she should not be blamed for the faults of others. It's that sort of mentality that leads to genocide.

[vodyanoj]

A high school in Mississippi decided that rather than allow a lesbian couple, both of whom were students at the school, to attend prom and wear a tuxedo, they would cancel the event entirely. Even after the ACLU filed a lawsuit and told the school that banning same-sex prom dates "violated students' rights," the school stood by their decision. Walker, the mayor of the town believes that "the community as a whole is probably in support of the school district," and a pastor concedes that some people may not agree with the decision, but "a lot more people here have biblically based values."

Here's the article if you want to read the whole thing: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lesbian_prom_date

What are your thoughts?

Fucking wanna-be fascist douchebags. And, just for the hell of it, I may add, bloody un-American.

[caveBEAR]

Prom isn't that big of a deal. However, discrimination is. Therefore, one trumps the other; she should not be blamed for the faults of others. It's that sort of mentality that leads to genocide.

Well, had the damn Jews just went and offed themselves, it wouldn't have been this whole to-do!

[roche]

Man, I can't wait till all of these bigoted generations just die off.

[caveBEAR]

Fucking wanna-be fascist douchebags. And, just for the hell of it, I may add, bloody un-American.

Check it;

I have no problem with gays/lesbians.

But she's extremely selfish for letting this get in the way of ruining prom for all of her classmates. After she made a fuss, she should have dropped it.

No. Not at all. If it came down to me proving a point or ruining a once in a lifetime night for all my fellow students, I'd drop it.

Yeah. You're right. Let's forget about the majority here. Always got to appease everyone. Sorry, but majority rules.

Ha ha, go nuts.

[cory-182]

How exactly was she rattling things up? Seems to me like she just wanted to go to prom, much like all the other kids you're so worried about.

Seems like she wanted to prove a point to me. Her girlfriend showing up in a tux? Come on.

[vodyanoj]

Seems like she wanted to prove a point to me. Her girlfriend showing up in a tux? Come on.

What's wrong with that?

[caveBEAR]

Seems like she wanted to prove a point to me. Her girlfriend showing up in a tux? Come on.

Seems more like 'things lesbian couples might do at prom' to me, Trebeck.

[vodyanoj]

Check it;







Ha ha, go nuts.

Yeah, we should all sacrifice our civil rights and liberty for the sake of not offending a bunch of deluded fuckwipes. Sure.

[Plutonio]

Well, had the damn Jews just went and offed themselves, it wouldn't have been this whole to-do!
I know, and if those motherfucking black people hadn't been born, and if they just gave up their land, Darfur never would have been a gov't to-do.
Seems like she wanted to prove a point to me. Her girlfriend showing up in a tux? Come on.
Yeah I know, she's not even a man; what is this a free country?

[caveBEAR]

Yeah, we should all sacrifice our civil rights and liberty for the sake of not offending a bunch of deluded fuckwipes. Sure.

Ha ha ha, that's why my first question to him was if this was a bad sarcasm attempt; I was thinking, 'no way can someone really think that'.

[Plutonio]

Yeah, we should all sacrifice our civil rights and liberty for the sake of not offending a bunch of deluded fuckwipes. Sure.
So I can't make out with guys anymore? Damn you Westboro Baptist Church.

[cory-182]

Yeah, we should all sacrifice our civil rights and liberty for the sake of not offending a bunch of deluded fuckwipes. Sure.

But its acceptable to offend the ones who made the rule that no same sex couples were allowed at the dance?

[saysmydoctor]

I have no problem with gays/lesbians.

But she's extremely selfish for letting this get in the way of ruining prom for all of her classmates. After she made a fuss, she should have dropped it.
Stop fucking talking immediately.

[caveBEAR]

Yeah I know, she's not even a man; what is this a free country?

:lol:

[caveBEAR]

But its acceptable to offend the ones who made the rule that no same sex couples were allowed at the dance?

:-|








:squint:






......yes?

[cory-182]

Stop fucking talking immediately.

Says the guy with 31K posts...

[caveBEAR]

Is this real life?

[Plutonio]

:lol:
:bow:

[caveBEAR]

Says the guy with 31K posts...

It was more in reference to your not-so-subtle homophobia/blowjob for authority than post-counts, I believe.

[Plutonio]

Says the guy with 31K posts...
Says the man who can't fucking make a valid point... "majority trumps adversity and progression."

[saysmydoctor]

Says the guy with 31K posts...
31k and not one in support of homophobia.

[caveBEAR]

But its acceptable to offend the ones who made the rule that no same sex couples were allowed at the dance?

Sidenote, seems odd the guy with '182' in his handle is worried about offensiveness.

[cory-182]

Says the man who can't fucking make a valid point... "majority triumps adversity and progression."

Haha. You guys are jokes. You have no problem offending and bashing me, the minority who is just trying to prove a point and speak his mind. Yet you're standing up for the girl for was doing the same.

[Plutonio]

Can we post links to nudity? I wanna photoshop cory 182's avatar over a man's face. This man is giving head to another man, who I will name Authority. Tis an apt metaphor if I say so myself.

[caveBEAR]

Haha. You guys are jokes. You have no problem offending and bashing me, the minority who is just trying to prove a point and speak his mind. Yet you're standing up for the girl for was doing the same.

Uh, I support what's right, not 'minorities'.

[Plutonio]

Haha. You guys are jokes. You have no problem offending and bashing me, the minority who is just trying to prove a point and speak his mind. Yet you're standing up for the girl for was doing the same.
That's because the girl had a right and a point; you are infringing upon her right and making no point other than "majority trumps adversity and progression."

[Plutonio]

I support rapists because they are minorities.

[phillipjacob]

im a huge christian but im so sick of the fucking backwards thinking half our country has. everything revolves around religion and polotics and its so hard to tell the two apart. goverment should be an entity for the people to live and prosper, and religion should be personal based, and religious text should be love instead of hate and god im on a fucking tangent now but growing up in the south myself, sad.

[saysmydoctor]

Haha. You guys are jokes. You have no problem offending and bashing me, the minority who is just trying to prove a point and speak his mind. Yet you're standing up for the girl for was doing the same.
You're a martyr just like her, you noble soul.

[vodyanoj]

But its acceptable to offend the ones who made the rule that no same sex couples were allowed at the dance?

That rule is illegal and unconstitutional, so yes it is. I have no problem offending Nazis, for example. In my young angry punk-rocker days, I had no problem offending them with my steel-toed boots, even. Discrimination needs to be opposed. Fuck them.

PS The ones that made the rule are the ones I am referring to as "deluded fuckwipes", in case I was not clear.

[caveBEAR]

Nevermind.

[Plutonio]

im a huge christian but im so sick of the fucking backwards thinking half our country has. everything revolves around religion and polotics and its so hard to tell the two apart. goverment should be an entity for the people to live and prosper, and religion should be personal based, and religious text should be love instead of hate and god im on a fucking tangent now but growing up in the south myself, sad.
Are you below I-88?

[new_arbiter]

Wow @ this thread(well, parts of it). And my state is just hopeless in every way.

[phillipjacob]

^^^^^


i grew up in southern tennessee

[Plutonio]

That rule is illegal and unconstitutional, so yes it is. I have no problem offending Nazis, for example. In my young angry punk-rocker days, I had no problem offending them with my steel-toed boots, even. Discrimination needs to be opposed. Fuck them.
Just to play the devil, the right to express one's opinions are protected by the Constitution. If we alter that foundation, forums like this become void.

[Plutonio]

^^^^^


i grew up in southern tennessee
Sitll below I-88, the modern-day Mason-Dixie Line.

[vodyanoj]

Just to play the devil, the right to express one's opinions are protected by the Constitution. If we alter that foundation, forums like this become void.

I know, I know. And I will fight for your right to say whatever you want even though I may disagree with you. But I was not living in the USA back then, so nyaaah!!!:-p And, of course, white power skins go a bit beyond just "words", so it's only fair to pay back in the same currency.

[Plutonio]

I know, I know. And I will fight for your right to say whatever you want even though I may disagree with you. But I was not living in the USA back then, so nyaaah!!!:-p And, of course, white power skins go a bit beyond just "words", so it's only fair to pay back in the same currency.
So it's right to stereotype all neonazis as "violent" a fraction of them are not?

[vodyanoj]

So it's right to stereotype all neonazis as "violent" a fraction of them are not?

Are there any that aren't? I mean, I have never met any peaceful ones. And the ones that do not dirty their own hands are usually busily calling for violence. I am the last person to claim that violence solves anything. On occasion, however, violence stops the problem: doesn't solve it but rather nips it in the bud. One way to stop someone from beating the fuck out of you and/or your friends is to shoot them. Not a perfect solution, by any means, and you will have to live with the consequences (legal, but more importantly, moral and emotional) but it will certainly stop the beatings. So I can say no to a general use of violence as a tool, but a qualified yes/maybe to using it in specific cases.

[Plutonio]

Are there any that aren't? I mean, I have never met any peaceful ones. And the ones that do not dirty their own hands are usually busily calling for violence. I am the last person to claim that violence solves anything. On occasion, however, violence stops the problem: doesn't solve it but rather nips it in the bud. One way to stop someone from beating the fuck out of you and/or your friends is to shoot them. Not a perfect solution, by any means, and you will have to live with the consequences (legal, but more importantly, moral and emotional) but it will certainly stop the beatings. So I can say no to a general use of violence as a tool, but a qualified yes/maybe to using it in specific cases.

There are far superior ways to problem-stop than violence. That oftentimes incites more problems than it stops.

[caveBEAR]

There are far superior ways to problem-stop than violence. That oftentimes incites more problems than it stops.

WWII? It seems whenever Nazis come up, just letting them be isn't an option. Especially if they're zombies.

[vodyanoj]

There are far superior ways to problem-stop than violence. That oftentimes incites more problems than it stops.

As a general rule, yes. Of course. But believe me, when some motherfucker with a baseball bat in his hand (or worse, a saber) is coming at you, you resort to violence pretty quickly. Or run, but as I have seen many a time, one cannot outrun a bullet.

[vodyanoj]

WWII? It seems whenever Nazis come up, just letting them be isn't an option. Especially if they're zombies.

Ah! And what about Xian zombie vampires?

[Plutonio]

As I said I was just playing the devil.

[vodyanoj]

As I said I was just playing the devil.

Well, nobody is trying to get violent here, either...:-d

[Plutonio]

:hitler:+:viking:

[vodyanoj]

:hitler:+:viking:

Nawt wrong with the Norsemen...they managed to settle Iceland and ran an anarchic state (forgive the oxymoron!) there for 300+ years, after all.

[Debut_Fin]

i can't fucking believe that it is 2010 and this is still an issue. how can people be so ignorant. before the 1920s people didn't take women's' rights very seriously, and now we live in a society where women are equal. before the 1960s people didn't take african americans' rights seriously, and again, the majority of people agree today that black people are entitled to equal rights. how people can't make that connection to gay rights blows my fucking mind. i honestly believe by the end of the decade it will be settled, at least in most of the country


mississippi really needs to go fuck itself

[Debut_Fin]

I understand the underlying issues here. If it were more than a few people, I'd have a different opinion. She's a high school student. She's not trying to change the law. She tried rattling things up in a small conservative town, which she did. Rather than drop it, she took it to the point where she ruined it for everyone.

you're talking about it, so i guess it worked. i don't care about the kids who missed prom. they can get drunk somewhere else. these things need to happen. no oppressed groups in american history so far have gotten their rights by worrying if it was going to inconvenience someone else.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

But its acceptable to offend the ones who made the rule that no same sex couples were allowed at the dance?

Doesn't mean banning same sex couples is right. I understand this is taking place in the Bible Belt and it's blowing the minds out of a bunch of old people that a two young female teenagers are in love with one another and want to go to a prom together. But canceling the prom altogether just so it doesn't give the chance for two young girls to slow dance with one another is just digging their own hole and thus creating national attention. Just go ahead and tell us how you really feel about "queers."

[Andy Young]

Mississippi is still stuck in the 60's.

[J.C.]

But its acceptable to offend the ones who made the rule that no same sex couples were allowed at the dance?

I don't know why everyone sympathizes with Dred Scott when John Sanford was clearly the one being inconvenienced.

[zion the lion]

A high school in Mississippi decided that rather than allow a lesbian couple, both of whom were students at the school, to attend prom and wear a tuxedo, they would cancel the event entirely. Even after the ACLU filed a lawsuit and told the school that banning same-sex prom dates "violated students' rights," the school stood by their decision. Walker, the mayor of the town believes that "the community as a whole is probably in support of the school district," and a pastor concedes that some people may not agree with the decision, but "a lot more people here have biblically based values."

Here's the article if you want to read the whole thing: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lesbian_prom_date

What are your thoughts?

Here's my problem. My old public school had the same dress code rule for formal events and wouldnt let same sex groups go to the prom (or opposite sex groups go) if they violated the dress code...girls have to wear dresses, and boys have to wear pants. I might go to prom this year, and if I do its going to be with a girl, now if I go in a dress I dont expect to be turned away but I know full well that if I wear a goddamn tuxedo I'll be turned away before I even make it to the door and it wont have anything to do with who my date is.

It probably has more to do with the dress code than anybody is letting on and the lesbian part probably got blown way out of fucking proportion.

[caveBEAR]

Here's my problem. My old public school had the same dress code rule for formal events and wouldnt let same sex groups go to the prom (or opposite sex groups go) if they violated the dress code...girls have to wear dresses, and boys have to wear pants. I might go to prom this year, and if I do its going to be with a girl, now if I go in a dress I dont expect to be turned away but I know full well that if I wear a goddamn tuxedo I'll be turned away before I even make it to the door and it wont have anything to do with who my date is.

It probably has more to do with the dress code than anybody is letting on and the lesbian part probably got blown way out of fucking proportion.

Still a gender rights issue. Girls have all the right in the world to wear tuxes, much as guys have all the right in the world to wear a dress.

[Debut_Fin]

Here's my problem. My old public school had the same dress code rule for formal events and wouldnt let same sex groups go to the prom (or opposite sex groups go) if they violated the dress code...girls have to wear dresses, and boys have to wear pants. I might go to prom this year, and if I do its going to be with a girl, now if I go in a dress I dont expect to be turned away but I know full well that if I wear a goddamn tuxedo I'll be turned away before I even make it to the door and it wont have anything to do with who my date is.

It probably has more to do with the dress code than anybody is letting on and the lesbian part probably got blown way out of fucking proportion.

Are you really arguing that Mississippi doesn't care that she's a lesbian and they are now the fashion police?

It's discrimination and hate, nothing more. No school district would cancel prom over a girl trying to wear a tux. They don't like her sexuality.

[bladerdude360]

I have no problem with gays/lesbians.

But she's extremely selfish for letting this get in the way of ruining prom for all of her classmates. After she made a fuss, she should have dropped it.

Yeah. You're right. Let's forget about the majority here. Always got to appease everyone. Sorry, but majority rules.

I understand the underlying issues here. If it were more than a few people, I'd have a different opinion. She's a high school student. She's not trying to change the law. She tried rattling things up in a small conservative town, which she did. Rather than drop it, she took it to the point where she ruined it for everyone.

Seems like she wanted to prove a point to me. Her girlfriend showing up in a tux? Come on.

Haha. You guys are jokes. You have no problem offending and bashing me, the minority who is just trying to prove a point and speak his mind. Yet you're standing up for the girl for was doing the same.

Here's my problem. My old public school had the same dress code rule for formal events and wouldnt let same sex groups go to the prom (or opposite sex groups go) if they violated the dress code...girls have to wear dresses, and boys have to wear pants. I might go to prom this year, and if I do its going to be with a girl, now if I go in a dress I dont expect to be turned away but I know full well that if I wear a goddamn tuxedo I'll be turned away before I even make it to the door and it wont have anything to do with who my date is.

It probably has more to do with the dress code than anybody is letting on and the lesbian part probably got blown way out of fucking proportion.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/facepalm.jpg

[beth danger]

So up until tonight, I wouldn't have believed this could happen in 2010, but it just so happens that I was sitting in a bar watching a televangelist on TV earlier this evening. Among his "6 facts about dynamic faith" was this gem: "Logic Is The Enemy Of Faith." What?

[EvaMore]

That's unfair. Not just to the couple but to the rest of the students. I just don't get people.

There was a gay couple at my prom. Admittedly,the teacher who was organizing the event had to hide it from the administration since it was a Catholic high school, but no one threw a fucking fit when the prom happened.

[about3fitty]

its mississippi. what do you expect?

[jwicklun]

Here's my problem. My old public school had the same dress code rule for formal events and wouldnt let same sex groups go to the prom (or opposite sex groups go) if they violated the dress code...girls have to wear dresses, and boys have to wear pants. I might go to prom this year, and if I do its going to be with a girl, now if I go in a dress I dont expect to be turned away but I know full well that if I wear a goddamn tuxedo I'll be turned away before I even make it to the door and it wont have anything to do with who my date is.

It probably has more to do with the dress code than anybody is letting on and the lesbian part probably got blown way out of fucking proportion.
oh zion. is there a forum you cannot ruin?

[sdbrown]

Here's my problem. My old public school had the same dress code rule for formal events and wouldnt let same sex groups go to the prom (or opposite sex groups go) if they violated the dress code...girls have to wear dresses, and boys have to wear pants. I might go to prom this year, and if I do its going to be with a girl, now if I go in a dress I dont expect to be turned away but I know full well that if I wear a goddamn tuxedo I'll be turned away before I even make it to the door and it wont have anything to do with who my date is.

It probably has more to do with the dress code than anybody is letting on and the lesbian part probably got blown way out of fucking proportion.

Still a gender rights issue. Girls have all the right in the world to wear tuxes, much as guys have all the right in the world to wear a dress.
Exactly. Why can't a girl wear a tux? It's still formal wear. I'm guessing if a girl was to protest wearing a tux to a school dance it would have been approved (perhaps begrudgingly so, but still). It's not about the tux, it's that the person wearing the tux is a lesbian.

But its acceptable to offend the ones who made the rule that no same sex couples were allowed at the dance?
Your ignorance is brain shattering. Apt user title, though

Seems more like 'things lesbian couples might do at prom' to me, Trebeck.
your posts for the last page have been quite brilliant. Kudos, man.

[Gumbyjag]

i'm glad she took it this far, the district is learning nothing from the situation.

[zion the lion]

Still a gender rights issue. Girls have all the right in the world to wear tuxes, much as guys have all the right in the world to wear a dress.

You're right in a wayand it kind of reminds me of this movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_%282000_film%29) and I'm not disagreeing with it in the least bit. I'm saying that I can see why they denied her from going because she wasnt going to follow the dress code (aka she was going to break the rules).

You make an agreement to follow any rule by buying a prom ticket, one of those rules happens to be following the fucking dress code, I assume that dress code says that girls cant wear pants (and a tux would include pants).

Are you really arguing that Mississippi doesn't care that she's a lesbian and they are now the fashion police?

It's discrimination and hate, nothing more. No school district would cancel prom over a girl trying to wear a tux. They don't like her sexuality.

Are you really arguing that not only the school's employees but the whole school district hates lesbians? Not taking into consideration the fact that for the past decade there has very likely been at least two other gay people went to the prom as a couple (following the dress code) and were allowed to stay even though everybody knew they were gay. Are you really arguing that such a thing has never ever happened? Lets not forget about how many gay people there are in Mississippi, the chances are high that at least one person on that school board isnt homophobic or is even gay themselves.

Trust me, schools are really strict about the dress code, and yes they are the fashion police when it comes to school dances, they'll turn people away if they arent following the dress code.

its mississippi. what do you expect?

You are acting like Mississippi (and other bible belt states) are breeding hate and keeping america back in the days of cross burnings, arresting people for being gay in their homes, turning the hose on black people, or white hoods and klan rallies with lynching anybody isnt "normal"...do you realize that you're fucking prejudice as you're insinuating these places are?

[Fullblast]

You're right in a wayand it kind of reminds me of this movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_%282000_film%29) and I'm not disagreeing with it in the least bit. I'm saying that I can see why they denied her from going because she wasnt going to follow the dress code (aka she was going to break the rules).

You make an agreement to follow any rule by buying a prom ticket, one of those rules happens to be following the fucking dress code, I assume that dress code says that girls cant wear pants (and a tux would include pants).



Are you really arguing that not only the school's employees but the whole school district hates lesbians? Not taking into consideration the fact that for the past decade there has very likely been at least two other gay people went to the prom as a couple (following the dress code) and were allowed to stay even though everybody knew they were gay. Are you really arguing that such a thing has never ever happened? Lets not forget about how many gay people there are in Mississippi, the chances are high that at least one person on that school board isnt homophobic or is even gay themselves.

Trust me, schools are really strict about the dress code, and yes they are the fashion police when it comes to school dances, they'll turn people away if they arent following the dress code.



You are acting like Mississippi (and other bible belt states) are breeding hate and keeping america back in the days of cross burnings, arresting people for being gay in their homes, turning the hose on black people, or white hoods and klan rallies with lynching anybody isnt "normal"...do you realize that you're fucking prejudice as you're insinuating these places are?
Penis

[EchoPark]

Now I can understand their decision to want to bar the dykes(lesbians) from going to their own prom, but to cancel the event entirely is a tad much.

I would tend to agree with the decision say had like a black kid taken a white girl(which would never happen anyways as we know now that black people hate white people) to prom.

Prom is an event that should only be attended by and enjoyed by White,Protestant,Straight kids.

Sorry blacks,browns,Asians,gays and most especially, mixed race race-traitors. You are most certainly not fucking welcome to Prom.

[Meeze]

i sometimes wish the Union lost the Civil War. At lease then we wouldn't have to deal with the Bible-fucking states and their hatred.

[catherinexhimel]

Holy shit, that's ridiculous.

[Live4TheKingdom]

good for them

[Live4TheKingdom]

i sometimes wish the Union lost the Civil War. At lease then we wouldn't have to deal with the Bible-fucking states and their hatred.

mississippi is in the south

and back in the civil war EVERY state was very religious.

get your facts straight you cousin lover

[caveBEAR]

good for them

:rolleyes:

Well, you're off to a great start.

[Live4TheKingdom]

:rolleyes:

Well, you're off to a great start.

by good for them i mean for the couple.
because they could have just not pursued it, but they stood for what they belived was right.

[caveBEAR]

by good for them i mean for the couple.
because they could have just not pursued it, but they stood for what they belived was right.

Alright, I thought you meant 'good for them' as in towards the school for canceling. My bad.

[Live4TheKingdom]

Alright, I thought you meant 'good for them' as in towards the school for canceling. My bad.

haha its cool, i can see why you would say that.

[Lueda Alia]

I have no words for the first few pages of this thread. :hitself:

[caveBEAR]

your posts for the last page have been quite brilliant. Kudos, man.

:bow: Just doing my job, ma'am.

[brandino15]

As it's already been said, this is completely ridiculous.

Now I can understand their decision to want to bar the dykes(lesbians) from going to their own prom, but to cancel the event entirely is a tad much.

I would tend to agree with the decision say had like a black kid taken a white girl(which would never happen anyways as we know now that black people hate white people) to prom.

Prom is an event that should only be attended by and enjoyed by White,Protestant,Straight kids.

Sorry blacks,browns,Asians,gays and most especially, mixed race race-traitors. You are most certainly not fucking welcome to Prom.

you're the worst kind of person.

[Greek]

Now I can understand their decision to want to bar the dykes(lesbians) from going to their own prom, but to cancel the event entirely is a tad much.

I would tend to agree with the decision say had like a black kid taken a white girl(which would never happen anyways as we know now that black people hate white people) to prom.

Prom is an event that should only be attended by and enjoyed by White,Protestant,Straight kids.

Sorry blacks,browns,Asians,gays and most especially, mixed race race-traitors. You are most certainly not fucking welcome to Prom.

:lolatpost:

[zachff]

Where are the other students on this? Doesn't what they want matter? I can almost guarantee you that if they polled the students in the school and said "OK we can either cancel prom or this girl can come and bring her girlfriend" no one would object to her coming. This is the district administration purporting their own fucked up sense of morals on to their students.

[Cameronisonfire]

I thought it was 2010, not 1958.

[liz339]

i live in Mississippi, a few minutes away from this town actually, and we aren't all as biased as this. I think its really disgusting and stupid and that everyone should be allowed to attend their own school's prom no matter what their race, religion, or sexual orientation.

[saveferris]

Why couldn't they have just let her go? A dude can show up in an Orange suit, cane, and a matching fedora but a girl can't show up in a tuxedo? Think about it. Which ones worse?

[saveferris]

I thought it was 2010, not 1958.
This. But you gotta understand the menatalities of these small bible belt towns. You wouldn't belive what they say/think. It's still 1958 as far as some of the people in Wilson are concerned.

[himynameiszack]

It's 2010, dammit.

[saveferris]

Unacceptable
http://http//www.thinktanktoys.com/cache.php?img=http://img.thinktanktoys.com/images/vendors/rasta/7294-main.jpg
acceptable
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[saveferris]

It's 2010, dammit.
Right? You'd think we would have been past this by now

[Meeze]

mississippi is in the south

and back in the civil war EVERY state was very religious.

get your facts straight you cousin lover

Mississippi is in the South??? get the fuck out! clearly u did not interpret what I said with any ounce of intelligence. A+ for trying though.

[Loyaltabk]

when will these people realize that religion blows??

[Debut_Fin]

Are you really arguing that not only the school's employees but the whole school district hates lesbians? Not taking into consideration the fact that for the past decade there has very likely been at least two other gay people went to the prom as a couple (following the dress code) and were allowed to stay even though everybody knew they were gay. Are you really arguing that such a thing has never ever happened? Lets not forget about how many gay people there are in Mississippi, the chances are high that at least one person on that school board isnt homophobic or is even gay themselves.

Trust me, schools are really strict about the dress code, and yes they are the fashion police when it comes to school dances, they'll turn people away if they arent following the dress code.

If their main concern was the dress code, they wouldn't have gotten angry enough to shut down the whole prom. Anger, hate, and prejudice against the lesbian girl is why the shut down the prom. Maybe there hasn't been a gay couple at their prom before. I know a few gay guys who took girls as their dates to my senior prom. And if there is a gay person on their board of education, they are probably not open about it. The girl said her district is run by wealthy, religious conservatives. The dress code flat out was not the underlying issue of this.

[Debut_Fin]

I have no words for the first few pages of this thread. :hitself:

What do you mean? It seems like there was only one or two people who thought the girl was out of line in doing what she did.

[hopeforthebest]

so what if a straight guy wore a dress instead of a tux and they denied him? is that discrimination? or upholding the dress code?

[Machu505]

I guess I was too optimistic to think that nobody would be stupid enough to think this was justified.

[Kozzy333]

Ridiculous.

[sjb2k1]

The ACLU has filed a lawsuit against the school, on her behalf:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-11-no-prom-mississippi_N.htm

get 'em girl.

[GeeBee]

I guess I was too optimistic to think that nobody would be stupid enough to think this was justified.

cory-182 has bucked this trend many times in many forums.

[Praetor]

lol at cory-Obama-is-a-socialist-182. Apparently if being treated equally inconveniences the people denying you your equality, you should sit down and shut the fuck up.

[GeeBee]

lol at cory-Obama-is-a-socialist-182. Apparently if being treated equally inconveniences the people denying you your equality, you should sit down and shut the fuck up.

Majorities are always right. It's what this country was BASED on.

-cory182

[brothaman]

Haha. You guys are jokes. You have no problem offending and bashing me, the minority who is just trying to prove a point and speak his mind. Yet you're standing up for the girl for was doing the same.

i agree with you. thats all im gonna say.

[Broclee]

Holy fuck @ some of this thread. But good for the girls for sticking up for themselves. And shame on the administration for canceling the prom irrationally. Because of course that was the only feasible option, and it's totally the couple's fault. :rolleyes:

[Jason Tate]

i agree with you. thats all im gonna say.
Should probably say more if you're going to support blatant homophobia and discrimination ... however, use proper punctuation when you do.

[Manicapathy]

i agree with you. thats all im gonna say.
My opinion of you at this very moment:
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[jessicalynn-xx]

I have no problem with gays/lesbians.

But she's extremely selfish for letting this get in the way of ruining prom for all of her classmates. After she made a fuss, she should have dropped it.

They never threatened to cancel prom if she didn't back down, they just went and canceled once the ACLU got involved. The administration had to know that by canceling prom the entire school would hate her for it. She didn't "let this get in the way of ruining prom for all of her classmates." Her school deliberately turned the situation from them being ignorant to her ruining prom for everyone in a blatant attempt to alienate her from her classmates.

[jessicalynn-xx]

i agree with you. thats all im gonna say.

That's all you're gonna say? And then not even try to back it up? Cowardice. That's all I'm gonna say.

[zion the lion]

If their main concern was the dress code, they wouldn't have gotten angry enough to shut down the whole prom. Anger, hate, and prejudice against the lesbian girl is why the shut down the prom. Maybe there hasn't been a gay couple at their prom before. I know a few gay guys who took girls as their dates to my senior prom. And if there is a gay person on their board of education, they are probably not open about it. The girl said her district is run by wealthy, religious conservatives. The dress code flat out was not the underlying issue of this.

To say that there has never ever ever been a gay couple ever in the town (because this is the school district) ever is ridiculous. Come on, the dress code had something to do with this. And maybe her fighting back about the dress code issue pissed off the school board enough for them to cancel the prom and try to make her look like the bad guy to her classmates.

And maybe I'm just naive enough to think that Mississippi is too peachy keen to be homophobic.

[Alou]

I have no problem with gays/lesbians.

But she's extremely selfish for letting this get in the way of ruining prom for all of her classmates. After she made a fuss, she should have dropped it.

Of course. She is the selfish one for wanting to go to her school's prom like all the other kids and have a good time. That makes total sense. The school has no right to say she can't do something based on her sexuality. She has every right to wear a suit, be a lesbian, and go to her prom.

[Debut_Fin]

To say that there has never ever ever been a gay couple ever in the town (because this is the school district) ever is ridiculous. Come on, the dress code had something to do with this. And maybe her fighting back about the dress code issue pissed off the school board enough for them to cancel the prom and try to make her look like the bad guy to her classmates.

And maybe I'm just naive enough to think that Mississippi is too peachy keen to be homophobic.

WHAT? :hitself:

[Alou]

i agree with you. thats all im gonna say.

Translation: I support homophobia, but can't back up my belief logically.

To say that there has never ever ever been a gay couple ever in the town (because this is the school district) ever is ridiculous. Come on, the dress code had something to do with this. And maybe her fighting back about the dress code issue pissed off the school board enough for them to cancel the prom and try to make her look like the bad guy to her classmates.

And maybe I'm just naive enough to think that Mississippi is too peachy keen to be homophobic.

If the school board canceled the entire problem because one person was bitching about the dress code, then that is fucked up. They would just ban her from the prom when she tried to walk in with something against the dress code. They wouldn't shut down the entire school's prom.

And how is a girl wearing a suit against the dress code? (I haven't read some of the last few pages, so I'll assume that is what the dress code argument came up, if I'm wrong, I apologize).

[zion the lion]

WHAT?

What? No good? its 2010 not 1951. My former roommate/friend/mom's friend happened to have a grandfather who was life long best friends with George Wallace (who was a former racist governor of alabama). Her whole family was raised to be racist, and the fact that I (a black alaskan kid) lived with a very southern girl who loved her racist grandfather, means that things change.

[zion the lion]

Translation: I support homophobia, but can't back up my belief logically.



If the school board canceled the entire problem because one person was bitching about the dress code, then that is fucked up. They would just ban her from the prom when she tried to walk in with something against the dress code. They wouldn't shut down the entire school's prom.

And how is a girl wearing a suit against the dress code? (I haven't read some of the last few pages, so I'll assume that is what the dress code argument came up, if I'm wrong, I apologize).

If she threatened to sue before the shut down the whole prom then that might be why.

And I have no idea about that school but I know that when I was going to high school they had a strict dress code where girls werent allowed to wear any form of pants, they were only allowed to wear dresses.

[Alou]

If she threatened to sue before the shut down the whole prom then that might be why.

And I have no idea about that school but I know that when I was going to high school they had a strict dress code where girls werent allowed to wear any form of pants, they were only allowed to wear dresses.

If this school is relatively 'normal' in there dress code, then her wearing a suit shouldn't be a big deal. I can see it being an issue if it was an ultra conservative dress code school, but I don't think it was. I'd need more information though. Still seems wrong to say this is a dress code issue.

[Debut_Fin]

What? No good? its 2010 not 1951. My former roommate/friend/mom's friend happened to have a grandfather who was life long best friends with George Wallace (who was a former racist governor of alabama). Her whole family was raised to be racist, and the fact that I (a black alaskan kid) lived with a very southern girl who loved her racist grandfather, means that things change.

the civil rights movement was 50 some years ago. lots of people still hate the gays in the bible belt. the two movements aren't happening at the same time.

[Plutonio]

Nawt wrong with the Norsemen...they managed to settle Iceland and ran an anarchic state (forgive the oxymoron!) there for 300+ years, after all.
tr0o

[Machu505]

Are we really debating whether or not homophobia exists in Mississippi? It exists in West Virginia and we're easily the most northern of southern states.

[Plutonio]

Are we really debating whether or not homophobia exists in Mississippi? It exists in West Virginia and we're easily the most northern of southern states.
What about Texas?

[Machu505]

What about Texas?

You ever been to Texas?

[Plutonio]

You ever been to Texas?
Have you ever heard of sarcasm? I should kill you for being so retarded.

[Machu505]

:-d

[Plutonio]

:-d
:bow:

[Loyaltabk]

stupid

[Debut_Fin]

Are we really debating whether or not homophobia exists in Mississippi? It exists in West Virginia and we're easily the most northern of southern states.

apparently it's all good now. mississippi is the new san francisco. also gay people = black people

What? No good? its 2010 not 1951. My former roommate/friend/mom's friend happened to have a grandfather who was life long best friends with George Wallace (who was a former racist governor of alabama). Her whole family was raised to be racist, and the fact that I (a black alaskan kid) lived with a very southern girl who loved her racist grandfather, means that things change.

[EchoPark]

Should probably say more if you're going to support blatant homophobia and discrimination ... however, use proper punctuation when you do.


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[darnkids]

im totally new to thiis conversation but i know that mississippi woulnd let black people attend prom so they made a new one.

its no surprise that the same state would cancel it over soem silly like factor such as homosexuality.
it goes against the whole constitution of free rights.

[troubledbyinsects]

im totally new to thiis conversation but i know that mississippi woulnd let black people attend prom so they made a new one.

its no surprise that the same state would cancel it over soem silly like factor such as homosexuality.
it goes against the whole constitution of free rights.
there is some wicked sick grammar going on right here!

[sdbrown]

Haha. You guys are jokes. You have no problem offending and bashing me, the minority who is just trying to prove a point and speak his mind. Yet you're standing up for the girl for was doing the same.
Looks like you got the banhammer but it's not hypocritical. Bashing someone because they are ignorant and agreeing with discrimination is completely different than targeting a minority that is fighting for equal treatment.

[J.C.]

i agree with you. thats all im gonna say.

Of course that's all you'll say. Bigotry is the by-product of a lazy mind.

[oh no its colin]

The ACLU has filed a lawsuit against the school, on her behalf:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-11-no-prom-mississippi_N.htm

get 'em girl.

i would really really like to just point out the responses given by some of the people in that community. i never ever want to even visit a place like that... and i'm from fucking south carolina.

[zion the lion]

If this school is relatively 'normal' in there dress code, then her wearing a suit shouldn't be a big deal. I can see it being an issue if it was an ultra conservative dress code school, but I don't think it was. I'd need more information though. Still seems wrong to say this is a dress code issue.

Okay. There could have been at least one gay couple in that town in the last decade who went to prom (or any formal dance) who followed the dress code and didnt get kicked out. I know I've brought that concept up before and I know its a crazy one but what is so difficult to grasp with it.

the civil rights movement was 50 some years ago. lots of people still hate the gays in the bible belt. the two movements aren't happening at the same time.

That went way over your head but I've moved on (but I will say that my roommate is younger than 50 something so racism goes on after the civil rights movement). Lots of people still hate gays in New Jersey too...going on and on about the bible belt like its the only part of america with hate issues is prejudice.

[Numero10]

Ahh bigots, giving us all something to hate

[caveBEAR]

there is some wicked sick grammar going on right here!

You're from Massachusetts and just said 'wicked', which means it probably wasn't meant to be taken ironically; you're in no position to judge.

[troubledbyinsects]

You're from Massachusetts and just said 'wicked', which means it probably wasn't meant to be taken ironically; you're in no position to judge.
it's what we do, can't help it.

[George-Michael]

You're from Massachusetts and just said 'wicked', which means it probably wasn't meant to be taken ironically; you're in no position to judge.

hahahahaha

[Broclee]

Okay. There could have been at least one gay couple in that town in the last decade who went to prom (or any formal dance) who followed the dress code and didnt get kicked out. I know I've brought that concept up before and I know its a crazy one but what is so difficult to grasp with it.



That went way over your head but I've moved on (but I will say that my roommate is younger than 50 something so racism goes on after the civil rights movement). Lots of people still hate gays in New Jersey too...going on and on about the bible belt like its the only part of america with hate issues is prejudice.
How can you assume that not only has there been a gay couple at the high school, but that they also went to prom together AND followed the dress code? That's a stretch if I've ever heard one. I'm from North Carolina, and a lesbian couple almost got banned from going to prom, and they were both going to wear dresses. It's far more feasible that this is a sexuality issue rather than a dress code issue.

[Debut_Fin]

That went way over your head but I've moved on (but I will say that my roommate is younger than 50 something so racism goes on after the civil rights movement). Lots of people still hate gays in New Jersey too...going on and on about the bible belt like its the only part of america with hate issues is prejudice.

There are prejudiced people everywhere. You'd be ignorant to call everyone in the south homophobic but you'd also be stupid to not acknowledge that there is a heavier concentration of overly-religious homophobic people there. I'm aware that there is hate everywhere, but it has always seemed to be more concentrated in the south. Again, I'm not saying that everyone in the south is that way, but I would bet that New Jersey will legalize gay marriage before Mississippi does.

[Debut_Fin]

How can you assume that not only has there been a gay couple at the high school, but that they also went to prom together AND followed the dress code? That's a stretch if I've ever heard one. I'm from North Carolina, and a lesbian couple almost got banned from going to prom, and they were both going to wear dresses. It's far more feasible that this is a sexuality issue rather than a dress code issue.

This.

[zion the lion]

How can you assume that not only has there been a gay couple at the high school, but that they also went to prom together AND followed the dress code? That's a stretch if I've ever heard one. I'm from North Carolina, and a lesbian couple almost got banned from going to prom, and they were both going to wear dresses. It's far more feasible that this is a sexuality issue rather than a dress code issue.

Its a stretch to say that there hasnt been a gay teen couple in that town (the school district covers all the schools unless I'm mistaken). Although I dont see how lesbians following a dress code is that big of a stretch.

There are prejudiced people everywhere. You'd be ignorant to call everyone in the south homophobic but you'd also be stupid to not acknowledge that there is a heavier concentration of overly-religious homophobic people there. I'm aware that there is hate everywhere, but it has always seemed to be more concentrated in the south. Again, I'm not saying that everyone in the south is that way, but I would bet that New Jersey will legalize gay marriage before Mississippi does.

Thats like me saying that you'd be stupid not to acknowledge that theres a heavier concentration of racists in the east coast. Its not fair to say that Mississippi is any different than Idaho or Florida or New Mexico, they all have the same amount of hatred, one is stereotyped as being worse because of everyone's little prejudice.

As for the whole gay marriage thing, it just really depends.

[BigG1392]

Living in the South (the Bible belt) my whole life, I understand what's going on. People down here are extremely conservative Christians who are completely against homosexuality. The thing is, the right decision is probably being made to keep things civil within the town. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those parents started rioting/protesting against them - it's fairly common. It's also why many homosexuals tend to migrate towards the West Coast or the Northeast - the South isn't very tolerant at all. It's just the culture here - it always has been.

Don't take what I said out of context, I fully support one's individual right to choose whatever lifestyle they want. That being said - the majority of the South doesn't.

[Debut_Fin]

Its a stretch to say that there hasnt been a gay teen couple in that town (the school district covers all the schools unless I'm mistaken). Although I dont see how lesbians following a dress code is that big of a stretch.



Thats like me saying that you'd be stupid not to acknowledge that theres a heavier concentration of racists in the east coast. Its not fair to say that Mississippi is any different than Idaho or Florida or New Mexico, they all have the same amount of hatred, one is stereotyped as being worse because of everyone's little prejudice.

As for the whole gay marriage thing, it just really depends.

You're really missing the point

[zion the lion]

You're really missing the point

The feeling is mutual. I give up.

[Smash Adams]

Living in the South (the Bible belt) my whole life, I understand what's going on. People down here are extremely conservative Christians who are completely against homosexuality. The thing is, the right decision is probably being made to keep things civil within the town. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those parents started rioting/protesting against them - it's fairly common. It's also why many homosexuals tend to migrate towards the West Coast or the Northeast - the South isn't very tolerant at all. It's just the culture here - it always has been.

Don't take what I said out of context, I fully support one's individual right to choose whatever lifestyle they want. That being said - the majority of the South doesn't.
So should people remain complacent or try to change things? I go with the latter

[Debut_Fin]

The feeling is mutual. I give up.

It's called the "Bible Belt" for a reason. Racism was based on ignorance, but homophobia comes from their interpretation of the Bible (combined with the same ignorance that leads to all prejudices) and because of that it's going to take a lot more to get them to be accepting of homosexuals. It is stereotyping to say that all people in the Bible Belt are homophobic but it is just factual to say that there is a heavy concentration of homophobes there. I don't know how else to say it.

[zion the lion]

It's called the "Bible Belt" for a reason. Racism was based on ignorance, but homophobia comes from their interpretation of the Bible (combined with the same ignorance that leads to all prejudices) and because of that it's going to take a lot more to get them to be accepting of homosexuals. It is stereotyping to say that all people in the Bible Belt are homophobic but it is just factual to say that there is a heavy concentration of homophobes there. I don't know how else to say it.

Just throwing it out there in case you didnt know. White supremacists base some of their hatred of blacks on the bible.

[Debut_Fin]

Just throwing it out there in case you didnt know. White supremacists base their hatred of blacks on the bible.

I know that, but only a very small people would still interpret the Bible that way. Whether or not you agree with it, the Bible does state pretty clearly that homosexuality is wrong, and that is why it will take a lot more effort to convince people who are so devoted to the Bible to think otherwise.

[zion the lion]

I know that, but only a very small people would still interpret the Bible that way. Whether or not you agree with it, the Bible does state pretty clearly that homosexuality is wrong, and that is why it will take a lot more effort to convince people who are so devoted to the Bible to think otherwise.

What you're forgetting about Leviticus (which is the only place I can think of that its not confused or temple prostitution) is that whole little part is a bunch of laws, if you're going to take it literally, then they were putting people to death for not only homosexuality but for incest. If you rewind a bit to Genesis, you'll remember the whole Cain and Abel murder and if you read around a bit (or get stuck watching the history channel all damn day on a holy day) you'll end up finding out that they were fighting each other because they both wanted to bone their sister.

God then forgave Cain and protected him, he later on married his sister. And god clearly had no problem with it because they populated the earth that way. It wasnt until people made up these laws and decided what was "right" and what was "wrong" and made homosexuality their own abomination along with incest.

If people today want to still follow those laws in Leviticus (which were superseded by new testament) then they're going to have to go through all of the crazy logic I just went through and realize how bullshit all of that is.

[Debut_Fin]

What you're forgetting about Leviticus (which is the only place I can think of that its not confused or temple prostitution) is that whole little part is a bunch of laws, if you're going to take it literally, then they were putting people to death for not only homosexuality but for incest. If you rewind a bit to Genesis, you'll remember the whole Cain and Abel murder and if you read around a bit (or get stuck watching the history channel all damn day on a holy day) you'll end up finding out that they were fighting each other because they both wanted to bone their sister.

God then forgave Cain and protected him, he later on married his sister. And god clearly had no problem with it because they populated the earth that way. It wasnt until people made up these laws and decided what was "right" and what was "wrong" and made homosexuality their own abomination along with incest.

If people today want to still follow those laws in Leviticus (which were superseded by new testament) then they're going to have to go through all of the crazy logic I just went through and realize how bullshit all of that is.

You know a lot more about the bible than I do. I'm not religious at all and I agree that it's all bullshit. The issue isn't what the Bible says but how people interpret it. People take what is said in Leviticus, use it to justify hate, and it's near impossible to get them to think otherwise. I'm still sticking with my argument that this whole thing was started by homophobia and had absolutely nothing to do with dress code. If the dress code was the only issue she would have simply been turned away. Nobody would react so drastically out of anything other than hate.

[zion the lion]

You know a lot more about the bible than I do. I'm not religious at all and I agree that it's all bullshit. The issue isn't what the Bible says but how people interpret it. People take what is said in Leviticus, use it to justify hate, and it's near impossible to get them to think otherwise. I'm still sticking with my argument that this whole thing was started by homophobia and had absolutely nothing to do with dress code. If the dress code was the only issue she would have simply been turned away. Nobody would react so drastically out of anything other than hate.

Unless she tried to use some legal intimidation in the beginning and it backfired

[x togepi x]

To say that there has never ever ever been a gay couple ever in the town (because this is the school district) ever is ridiculous. Come on, the dress code had something to do with this. And maybe her fighting back about the dress code issue pissed off the school board enough for them to cancel the prom and try to make her look like the bad guy to her classmates.

And maybe I'm just naive enough to think that Mississippi is too peachy keen to be homophobic.

girl, i totally don't hate you and feel like you get a bad rap most of the time, but right now you're wrong.

What others haven't pointed out to you is that the problem isn't that it's dress code being the reason she can't go. The problem is dress code is being used as tool to justify discrimination. In a post-PC America, we say outright discrimination is bad. Instead, we find other reasons to discriminate that we can hide behind.

It's like how African Americans were kept from voting during Jim Crow. it was explicitly illegal to say "you don't have white skin, you can't vote." It was, however, completely legal to say "you can't read, so you can't vote." To decide if someone who's suspected of being illiterate, the states made insanely hard tests that most people couldn't pass. When white people came into register to vote, it was assumed they knew how to read and so they wouldn't have to take a test that they'd obviously fail. If a black person came in, they would take the test. If they failed, they weren't being turned away from voting because of their skin but another reason.

This is what's going on in this situation. I would argue fairly strongly that the dress code regulations of prom are based on the same outmoded heteronormative and sexist standards that would also advocate outright banning same sex couples. The issue is still discrimination, it's just discrimination hiding behind what most would consider an objective standard.

I realize that you're using the argument that by buying a ticket, one is agreeing to follow all the rules, but that begs the question: should we force people to follow rules that are unjust even though they agreed to them?

[J.C.]

Don't take what I said out of context, I fully support one's individual right to choose whatever lifestyle they want. That being said - the majority of the South doesn't.

Religion is a lifestyle choice.

[x togepi x]

Religion is a lifestyle choice.

I'm beginning to wonder how true this even is.

[live.]

Religion is a lifestyle choice.

Not for a teenager in Mississippi.

[davehennessy]

Ridiculous. Someone on the school's board doesn't like the idea of two lesbians going together so they cancel the event for the entire school? Messed up

[bladerdude360]

To say that there has never ever ever been a gay couple ever in the town (because this is the school district) ever is ridiculous. Come on, the dress code had something to do with this. And maybe her fighting back about the dress code issue pissed off the school board enough for them to cancel the prom and try to make her look like the bad guy to her classmates.

And maybe I'm just naive enough to think that Mississippi is too peachy keen to be homophobic.

Okay. There could have been at least one gay couple in that town in the last decade who went to prom (or any formal dance) who followed the dress code and didnt get kicked out. I know I've brought that concept up before and I know its a crazy one but what is so difficult to grasp with it.



That went way over your head but I've moved on (but I will say that my roommate is younger than 50 something so racism goes on after the civil rights movement). Lots of people still hate gays in New Jersey too...going on and on about the bible belt like its the only part of america with hate issues is prejudice.

Unless she tried to use some legal intimidation in the beginning and it backfired
You are so fucking dense it's unbelievable. THE DRESS CODE IS NOT THE FUCKING ISSUE HERE. If a heterosexual female student wished to wear a tuxedo to her prom, and it was, as you are assuming, against the school's code of conduct, they just wouldn't admit her to the prom. They wouldn't freak out and cancel the whole thing. The only reason that they canceled the prom is because the two students who wanted to attend were lesbians. I really just don't understand your logic at all here.

[Broclee]

Its a stretch to say that there hasnt been a gay teen couple in that town (the school district covers all the schools unless I'm mistaken). Although I dont see how lesbians following a dress code is that big of a stretch.

I never said there hadn't been a gay couple there, it was that entire series of events all happening together at some point in the past that I found hard to believe. But to your second sentence, I ask: What kind of "dress code" is forcing girls to wear dresses? I may just be in North Carolina, but no one here's going to complain if a girl wants to wear slacks instead of a dress of skirt. It's less for teachers/administration to worry about. That's probably why I don't even register that as a feasible issue.

What others haven't pointed out to you is that the problem isn't that it's dress code being the reason she can't go. The problem is dress code is being used as tool to justify discrimination. In a post-PC America, we say outright discrimination is bad. Instead, we find other reasons to discriminate that we can hide behind.

This is kind of what I was trying to get at, but I failed miserably.

[x togepi x]

I never said there hadn't been a gay couple there, it was that entire series of events all happening together at some point in the past that I found hard to believe. But to your second sentence, I ask: What kind of "dress code" is forcing girls to wear dresses? I may just be in North Carolina, but no one here's going to complain if a girl wants to wear slacks instead of a dress of skirt. It's less for teachers/administration to worry about. That's probably why I don't even register that as a feasible issue.



This is kind of what I was trying to get at, but I failed miserably.

Yeah i mean, i honestly skimmed, saw a bunch of ZION YOU FUCKING IDIOT posts and wrote what i wrote.

[Broclee]

Yeah i mean, i honestly skimmed, saw a bunch of ZION YOU FUCKING IDIOT posts and wrote what i wrote.
It's a lot easier to get your point across, even if you think the person is dumb as shit, if you don't call the person "dumb as shit."

[new_arbiter]

As someone who went to a MS public school, I can say from experience that same-sex couples weren't allowed to buy tickets to(and, as a result, attend) proms. The school's dress code just isn't the issue here.

[zion the lion]

girl, i totally don't hate you and feel like you get a bad rap most of the time, but right now you're wrong.

What others haven't pointed out to you is that the problem isn't that it's dress code being the reason she can't go. The problem is dress code is being used as tool to justify discrimination. In a post-PC America, we say outright discrimination is bad. Instead, we find other reasons to discriminate that we can hide behind.

It's like how African Americans were kept from voting during Jim Crow. it was explicitly illegal to say "you don't have white skin, you can't vote." It was, however, completely legal to say "you can't read, so you can't vote." To decide if someone who's suspected of being illiterate, the states made insanely hard tests that most people couldn't pass. When white people came into register to vote, it was assumed they knew how to read and so they wouldn't have to take a test that they'd obviously fail. If a black person came in, they would take the test. If they failed, they weren't being turned away from voting because of their skin but another reason.

This is what's going on in this situation. I would argue fairly strongly that the dress code regulations of prom are based on the same outmoded heteronormative and sexist standards that would also advocate outright banning same sex couples. The issue is still discrimination, it's just discrimination hiding behind what most would consider an objective standard.

I realize that you're using the argument that by buying a ticket, one is agreeing to follow all the rules, but that begs the question: should we force people to follow rules that are unjust even though they agreed to them?

What I was trying to say in the first place was that the dress code was what sparked it all, and her protesting their decision to keep her from going to her school's prom was what made it go further and further.

By the way, to the bolded part,I agree. I even said it way earlier in the thread that the whole thing slightly reminded me of a movie that I used to watch a lot 10 years ago

Why have rules unless you're going to enforce them (unless they're deemed obsolete in which case you should have a rule to get rid of them).

You are so fucking dense it's unbelievable. THE DRESS CODE IS NOT THE FUCKING ISSUE HERE. If a heterosexual female student wished to wear a tuxedo to her prom, and it was, as you are assuming, against the school's code of conduct, they just wouldn't admit her to the prom. They wouldn't freak out and cancel the whole thing. The only reason that they canceled the prom is because the two students who wanted to attend were lesbians. I really just don't understand your logic at all here.

I like how you quote some of last posts in this thread but if you go all the way to the 93rd post in this thread, you'll realize that my original post (which was quoted that same day by fullblast unedited) actually links to a movie that I used to watch as all the time which references exactly to the bolded paragraph in the quoted post above yours.

You go around bashing me like everyone else does and calling me names and I swear its like you dont dumbasses dont put in the effort to know what about my posts are "utter nonesense" or "so fucking dense it's unbelievable". But have fun on that I hate zion bandwagon, and continue insulting me because that's clearly going to get your point across. Whats next, "stop posting"?

[domotime2]

so wait? Why did they cancel the entire prom instead of just not allowing them access or a ticket...?

[loveisdead]

so wait? Why did they cancel the entire prom instead of just not allowing them access or a ticket...?

To avoid a lawsuit. You don't allow the couple to go and an equal protection lawsuit, or a negligence lawsuit could easily be won. You cancel the whole thing and now the case becomes wayyy harder.

[domotime2]

To avoid a lawsuit. You don't allow the couple to go and an equal protection lawsuit, or a negligence lawsuit could easily be won. You cancel the whole thing and now the case becomes wayyy harder.
gotcha okay that makes sense...

clearly i highly disagree with it, but okay okay

[caveBEAR]

so wait? Why did they cancel the entire prom instead of just not allowing them access or a ticket...?

Because 'fuck them', that's why.

[loveisdead]

gotcha okay that makes sense...

clearly i highly disagree with it, but okay okay

Anyone with a brain would. The whole situation is so mindboggling.

[caveBEAR]

Anyone with a brain would. The whole situation is so mindboggling.

Makes sense to me. We can't have any queers coming to the prom, because then the kids at school may be aware their classmates exist; however, we have to be fair, so no one gets prom.

Makes perfect sense, you're just stupid.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I don't know if it's been previously said in this thread, but has anyone here gone to a high school where the prom was attended by a same sex couple and how that was handled (in the case that there was any objection to it)?

[caveBEAR]

I don't know if it's been previously said in this thread, but has anyone here gone to a high school where the prom was attended by a same sex couple and how that was handled (in the case that there was any objection to it)?

I did. There were at least 3 separate couples if I recall, and there was no 'handling'; they just went like every other couple who went to prom. Our school wasn't run by morons.

[Broclee]

I don't know if it's been previously said in this thread, but has anyone here gone to a high school where the prom was attended by a same sex couple and how that was handled (in the case that there was any objection to it)?
I did. Lesbian couple, and they both wore dresses. They almost weren't allowed to go, but they did, and it wasn't an issue. Everyone thought they were a cute couple, and it was a very positive experience.

[x togepi x]

What I was trying to say in the first place was that the dress code was what sparked it all, and her protesting their decision to keep her from going to her school's prom was what made it go further and further.

yeah but the problem with your logic is that it doesn't explain why they cancelled prom for everyone. I mean, basically any school that has prom deals with people trying to do things that are against the rules but that doesn't mean they cancel it entirely. if you look at the whole event, you see the school's decision to cancel prom is meant purely to distance the couple from everyone else as "the other" and make everyone be pissed off at them. if the root cause of this isn't discrimination, then i'm pretty confused.

i mean, do you really think this is the first time this school has ever dealt with someone trying to break the rules and getting mad when the school doesn't let them? if not, do you really think they cancel prom over every rule broken?

Why have rules unless you're going to enforce them (unless they're deemed obsolete in which case you should have a rule to get rid of them).


Obviously if merely enforcing rules leads to situations like this, then we need to reevaluate the situation. it isn't really a matter of order, we make exceptions all the time.

[Smash Adams]

Makes sense to me. We can't have any queers coming to the prom, because then the kids at school may be aware their classmates exist; however, we have to be fair, so no one gets prom.

Makes perfect sense, you're just stupid.
Plus if you see two gay people who are having fun you'll say oh this gay thing sounds like a good idea, then there will be no straight people and the apocalypse happens, all because some lesbians wanted to go to prom

[bladerdude360]

What I was trying to say in the first place was that the dress code was what sparked it all, and her protesting their decision to keep her from going to her school's prom was what made it go further and further.

By the way, to the bolded part,I agree. I even said it way earlier in the thread that the whole thing slightly reminded me of a movie that I used to watch a lot 10 years ago

Why have rules unless you're going to enforce them (unless they're deemed obsolete in which case you should have a rule to get rid of them).



I like how you quote some of last posts in this thread but if you go all the way to the 93rd post in this thread, you'll realize that my original post (which was quoted that same day by fullblast unedited) actually links to a movie that I used to watch as all the time which references exactly to the bolded paragraph in the quoted post above yours.

You go around bashing me like everyone else does and calling me names and I swear its like you dont dumbasses dont put in the effort to know what about my posts are "utter nonesense" or "so fucking dense it's unbelievable". But have fun on that I hate zion bandwagon, and continue insulting me because that's clearly going to get your point across. Whats next, "stop posting"?
It's clearly not the dress code that was the issue. It didn't "spark" anything. You can't seriously believe that's even close to the issue at hand. I'm not on any hate bandwagon either, I just think a lot of your posts are incredibly stupid and that you make poor arguments.

[Machu505]

To address a point that Zion made, I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say a Lesbian couple hadn't attended prom before. Itawamba County has only about 23000 residents. That, combined with how those in the Deep South frown upon homosexuality, would likely prevent gay couples from even trying to go.

[loveisdead]

To address a point that Zion made, I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say a Lesbian couple hadn't attended prom before. Itawamba County has only about 23000 residents. That, combined with how those in the Deep South frown upon homosexuality, would likely prevent gay couples from even trying to go.

I can think of a number of girls who brought other girls to my prom. They did it as friends because they either couldn't find a male date they wanted to take or whatever other reason it was. I have to believe that has been tried before at this school.

[Machu505]

I can think of a number of girls who brought other girls to my prom. They did it as friends because they either couldn't find a male date they wanted to take or whatever other reason it was. I have to believe that has been tried before at this school.
If it had been tried, then it's even more clear that the administrators were grossed out by the intentions of the girls.
Be that as it may, there's a huge difference between a prep school on Long Island and an agricultural high school in rural Mississippi.

Here's something to think about: Nate Silver predicted that the earliest Mississippi would vote down a measure to ban gay marriage would be 2024, being the last state to reach such a threshold.

[loveisdead]

If it had been tried, then it's even more clear that the administrators were grossed out by the intentions of the girls.
Be that as it may, there's a huge difference between a prep school on Long Island and an agricultural high school in rural Mississippi.

Here's something to think about: Nate Silver predicted that the earliest Mississippi would vote down a measure to ban gay marriage would be 2024, being the last state to reach such a threshold.

I have to think in the history of that school, two girls had tried together even if nothing more than friends. I know there's a big difference between my school (even though it was a Catholic school) and this school in question, but I would still like to know whether or not two girls has been tried in the school.

And that actually sorta surprises me. I don't think I would've picked Mississippi as last (though very close to it).

[new_arbiter]

To address a point that Zion made, I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say a Lesbian couple hadn't attended prom before.

Very likely, or they were the first to be this open about it.

[Machu505]

I have to think in the history of that school, two girls had tried together even if nothing more than friends. I know there's a big difference between my school (even though it was a Catholic school) and this school in question, but I would still like to know whether or not two girls has been tried in the school.

And that actually sorta surprises me. I don't think I would've picked Mississippi as last (though very close to it).

I think whether or not it had happened before is irrelevant. A school would not shut down prom over a dress-code violation, at least not one with rational-minded administrators. It certainly feels good to think this was just an overreaction to a girl in slacks, but I'm afraid that doesn't seem to be the case.

On the subject of Mississippi's general stupidity, consider that their senator, Trent Lott, said at Strom Thurmond's funeral that things would be better in America had more people voted for the Dixiecrats. Nothing about the Magnolia State ever surprises me.

[loveisdead]

I think whether or not it had happened before is irrelevant. A school would not shut down prom over a dress-code violation, at least not one with rational-minded administrators. It certainly feels good to think this was just an overreaction to a girl in slacks, but I'm afraid that doesn't seem to be the case.

On the subject of Mississippi's general stupidity, consider that their senator, Trent Lott, said at Strom Thurmond's funeral that things would be better in America had more people voted for the Dixiecrats. Nothing about the Magnolia State ever surprises me.

Oh of course not. I was trying to point out more discriminations against the couple. It's unfortunate that there's likely jack shit they can do about it.

[Machu505]

Oh of course not. I was trying to point out more discriminations against the couple. It's unfortunate that there's likely jack shit they can do about it.
My faith rests with the ACLU. If they can keep Ollie North out of jail, they can definitely get this girl the justice she deserves. I wonder how the students will react to her if she gets their prom back?

[loveisdead]

My faith rests with the ACLU. If they can keep Ollie North out of jail, they can definitely get this girl the justice she deserves. I wonder how the students will react to her if she gets their prom back?

Didn't the school cancel the prom in response to the ACLU's lawsuit? Here's an article with the chain of events. (http://www.examiner.com/x-21239-Oakland-Skepticism-Examiner~y2010m3d13-In-response-to-Mississippi-schoolboard-Humanists-pledges-20000-for-LGBT-friendly-prom)

[Machu505]

Didn't the school cancel the prom in response to the ACLU's lawsuit? Here's an article with the chain of events. (http://www.examiner.com/x-21239-Oakland-Skepticism-Examiner~y2010m3d13-In-response-to-Mississippi-schoolboard-Humanists-pledges-20000-for-LGBT-friendly-prom)
Well then I'm glad they're getting their own lil integrated prom.

[loveisdead]

Fuck prom. I'm still bitter about mine. They're lucky the thing got cancelled.

[Machu505]

Go dry your tears on a wad of $100 bills or an orphan, you angsty prep school elitist. Let me guess, you have a double surname too?

[loveisdead]

Go dry your tears on a wad of $100 bills or an orphan, you angsty prep school elitist. Let me guess, you have a double surname too?

Haha, it's only funny cause while my family did do pretty well for themselves while I went to high school, we're in the pits right now financially.

And no, for superlatives I was nominated for class clown, nicest personality and best actor. Lost them all. They announced the prom court the night they announced the winners of the superlatives. At prom the student council president says it was a tie between me and this kid frank for Prom King, and they gave it to him because I was nominated for a few superlatives while he wasn't. King of second place I tell ya.

[Machu505]

Haha, it's only funny cause while my family did do pretty well for themselves while I went to high school, we're in the pits right now financially.

And no, for superlatives I was nominated for class clown, nicest personality and best actor. Lost them all. They announced the prom court the night they announced the winners of the superlatives. At prom the student council president says it was a tie between me and this kid frank for Prom King, and they gave it to him because I was nominated for a few superlatives while he wasn't. King of second place I tell ya.

Such an injustice. How did the ACLU not catch this one? Oh well. Long live King Frank.

[loveisdead]

Such an injustice. How did the ACLU not catch this one? Oh well. Long live King Frank.

:lol:

Back to topic. I think it's going to be hard for a case to be won since the whole thing was cancelled. The only thing I see going for her is that there's a lot of evidence that she's been made fun of/criticized pretty badly for the whole thing. If she can prove some sort of emotional or physical pain from it (lack of sleep, nausea, vomiting, etc) then they may be able to get the school on negligence.

[zion the lion]

yeah but the problem with your logic is that it doesn't explain why they cancelled prom for everyone. I mean, basically any school that has prom deals with people trying to do things that are against the rules but that doesn't mean they cancel it entirely. if you look at the whole event, you see the school's decision to cancel prom is meant purely to distance the couple from everyone else as "the other" and make everyone be pissed off at them. if the root cause of this isn't discrimination, then i'm pretty confused.

Here's how my logic went
1. She was told she couldnt go because of the dress code
2. she probably put two and two together and started protesting the decision (to her friends or teachers or on the internet)
3. she was probably "warned" to stop raising ruckus
4. she then goes to the school board and threatens legal action
5. to avoid a lawsuit and/or pulling a dick move by making her look like the bad guy to all of her classmates, they canceled the prom altogether for the school.

Of course a lot goes on in between parts one and five, but thats the simplified version.

Obviously if merely enforcing rules leads to situations like this, then we need to reevaluate the situation. it isn't really a matter of order, we make exceptions all the time

If you're making exceptions all the time then the rule is pointless and should be thrown out.

[Jason Tate]

Here's how my logic went
1. She was told she couldnt go because of the dress code
2. she probably put two and two together and started protesting the decision (to her friends or teachers or on the internet)
3. she was probably "warned" to stop raising ruckus
4. she then goes to the school board and threatens legal action
5. to avoid a lawsuit and/or pulling a dick move by making her look like the bad guy to all of her classmates, they canceled the prom altogether for the school.

Of course a lot goes on in between parts one and five, but thats the simplified version.



If you're making exceptions all the time then the rule is pointless and should be thrown out.
Just stop posting, it hurts all of our heads.

[bladerdude360]

Here's how my logic went
1. She was told she couldnt go because of the dress code
2. she probably put two and two together and started protesting the decision (to her friends or teachers or on the internet)
3. she was probably "warned" to stop raising ruckus
4. she then goes to the school board and threatens legal action
5. to avoid a lawsuit and/or pulling a dick move by making her look like the bad guy to all of her classmates, they canceled the prom altogether for the school.

Of course a lot goes on in between parts one and five, but thats the simplified version.



If you're making exceptions all the time then the rule is pointless and should be thrown out.
OH. MY. GOD. You are just completely missing the entire point here. You really don't help your case at all. Take some advice and:
Just stop posting, it hurts all of our heads.

[Alou]

Here's how my logic went
1. She was told she couldnt go because of the dress code
2. she probably put two and two together and started protesting the decision (to her friends or teachers or on the internet)
3. she was probably "warned" to stop raising ruckus
4. she then goes to the school board and threatens legal action
5. to avoid a lawsuit and/or pulling a dick move by making her look like the bad guy to all of her classmates, they canceled the prom altogether for the school.

Of course a lot goes on in between parts one and five, but thats the simplified version.


No.

[x togepi x]

Here's how my logic went
1. She was told she couldnt go because of the dress code
2. she probably put two and two together and started protesting the decision (to her friends or teachers or on the internet)
3. she was probably "warned" to stop raising ruckus
4. she then goes to the school board and threatens legal action
5. to avoid a lawsuit and/or pulling a dick move by making her look like the bad guy to all of her classmates, they canceled the prom altogether for the school.

Of course a lot goes on in between parts one and five, but thats the simplified version.

This still doesn't explain why they would cancel prom without being needlessly discriminatory. What I'm saying is this: there's a pretty good chance at some point in the many years this school has had prom that someone else has broken a rule, gotten pissed off about it, raised sort of a ruckus and they didn't cancel prom. The root cause is still homophobia and not a dress code violation.

The problem here is you think that by canceling prom, they avoid a lawsuit. Canceling prom actually opens them up to more litigation because it can be seen as seeking retribution for her protest, which may be considered illegal, especially if she ends up being harassed by her class for it. Good job school district, you know gave the girl opportunity to claim damages for pain and suffering if people do anything to her about prom. A good lawyer is going to keep her case up and throw in the fact that the school canceled prom in response as more proof that the school is unfairly singling her out for discrimination.


If you're making exceptions all the time then the rule is pointless and should be thrown out.

I'm not sure how this falls under "making exceptions all the time". It's simply saying that if you have a good reason to make an exception, you make one. That's how rules should work anyway.

[zion the lion]

This still doesn't explain why they would cancel prom without being needlessly discriminatory. What I'm saying is this: there's a pretty good chance at some point in the many years this school has had prom that someone else has broken a rule, gotten pissed off about it, raised sort of a ruckus and they didn't cancel prom. The root cause is still homophobia and not a dress code violation.

The problem here is you think that by canceling prom, they avoid a lawsuit. Canceling prom actually opens them up to more litigation because it can be seen as seeking retribution for her protest, which may be considered illegal, especially if she ends up being harassed by her class for it. Good job school district, you know gave the girl opportunity to claim damages for pain and suffering if people do anything to her about prom. A good lawyer is going to keep her case up and throw in the fact that the school canceled prom in response as more proof that the school is unfairly singling her out for discrimination.




I'm not sure how this falls under "making exceptions all the time". It's simply saying that if you have a good reason to make an exception, you make one. That's how rules should work anyway.

And do you remember what you said about dress codes earlier? I dont ever think that I said that the root cause was a dress code violation, and thats where everyone is getting shit stuck in their assholes, I never said that it was the only reason that this prom got canceled. I'm not stupid, I know that there is some discrimination involved, but I also know that if this is a conservative town then they probably still have the same old rules and the same old dress code and they probably used that as a reason to ban her. When I say something about Mississippi not being homophobic, I mean the state as a whole, I'm not saying that its impossible for anybody in that state to have any form of prejudice in them at all.

[x togepi x]

And do you remember what you said about dress codes earlier? I dont ever think that I said that the root cause was a dress code violation, and thats where everyone is getting shit stuck in their assholes, I never said that it was the only reason that this prom got canceled. I'm not stupid, I know that there is some discrimination involved, but I also know that if this is a conservative town then they probably still have the same old rules and the same old dress code and they probably used that as a reason to ban her. When I say something about Mississippi not being homophobic, I mean the state as a whole, I'm not saying that its impossible for anybody in that state to have any form of prejudice in them at all.

Everyone is calling you out because you're acting like this rule absolutely must have been enforced that that they're essentially doing what they would do if anyone else tried to violate the rule of prom and not go.

[GeeBee]

It's fun to try and bend my brain like a pretzel to find out just WTF zion is trying to argue.

[caveBEAR]

It's fun to try and bend my brain like a pretzel to find out just WTF zion is trying to argue.

:lol: I was just doing this, but I gave up.

[Alou]

And do you remember what you said about dress codes earlier? I dont ever think that I said that the root cause was a dress code violation, and thats where everyone is getting shit stuck in their assholes, I never said that it was the only reason that this prom got canceled. I'm not stupid, I know that there is some discrimination involved, but I also know that if this is a conservative town then they probably still have the same old rules and the same old dress code and they probably used that as a reason to ban her. When I say something about Mississippi not being homophobic, I mean the state as a whole, I'm not saying that its impossible for anybody in that state to have any form of prejudice in them at all.

99.999999999999% of this is discrimination based on homophobia.

.000000000000001 (AT BEST) is this dress code shit.

[zion the lion]

Everyone is calling you out because you're acting like this rule absolutely must have been enforced that that they're essentially doing what they would do if anyone else tried to violate the rule of prom and not go.

Are you telling me that if a straight boy had tried to go to the prom in a dress, they would have let him right on in?

It's fun to try and bend my brain like a pretzel to find out just WTF zion is trying to argue.

I've been told that to succeed you'd basically need LSD...I dont know.

99.999999999999% of this is discrimination based on homophobia.

.000000000000001 (AT BEST) is this dress code shit.

Did I say that discrimination was never involved? In fact, I've referenced a movie (called Bruno/The Dress Code) at least 3 fucking times now that is about a boy who faces discrimination at his catholic school and the spelling bee because he likes wearing dresses, its mind boggling how many times I've said that the movie reminds me a lot of this whole fucking thing and yet you're ignoring all of that and pretending like I'm saying that discrimination wasnt involved in the least bit...I havent.

[x togepi x]

Are you telling me that if a straight boy had tried to go to the prom in a dress, they would have let him right on in?
.

No, I'm telling you that if a hetero boy tried to go to prom in a dress, they would tell him no but continue to have prom for everyone else.

[HometownHero]

I love America

[Mibabalou]

Just stop posting, it hurts all of our heads.

wow we agree on something

i dislike zion strongly.

[bladerdude360]

So the court ruled that the school doesn't have to put on the prom, but that they did violate the student's constitutional rights. You can read the article here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100323/ap_on_re_us/us_lesbian_prom_date). This is one quote from the article I thought was interesting: "The judge noted that McMillen has been openly gay since she was in the eighth grade and that she intended to communicate a message by wearing a tuxedo and escorting a same-sex date. 'The court finds this expression and communication falls squarely within the purview of the First Amendment,' Davidson said."

[Broclee]

So the court ruled that the school doesn't have to put on the prom, but that they did violate the student's constitutional rights. You can read the article here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100323/ap_on_re_us/us_lesbian_prom_date). This is one quote from the article I thought was interesting: "The judge noted that McMillen has been openly gay since she was in the eighth grade and that she intended to communicate a message by wearing a tuxedo and escorting a same-sex date. 'The court finds this expression and communication falls squarely within the purview of the First Amendment,' Davidson said."
Still a shitty situation for her, and I hope that the private prom will be enough to keep her classmates from continuing to ostracize her.

[speakhandsforme]

Nothing good comes out of that state anymore.

[lbopm]

Nothing good comes out of that state anymore.



Oh really? The government (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/state/data/ms.html), Mississippi (http://www.mswtc.org/resources/2005_Trade_Release.pdf) and foreign countries (http://www.trade.gov/td/industry/otea/state_reports/mississippi.html) disagree (http://www.theworld.org/2009/12/07/mississippi-export-boom/).

[sjb2k1]

so constance went to prom, only it wasn't the real one (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/06/national/main6367855.shtml). they had a private party/prom and didn't invite her. classy i tell ya, classy.

[drawndead]

It's all a bunch of crap.

[tonyC4L]

so constance went to prom, only it wasn't the real one (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/06/national/main6367855.shtml). they had a private party/prom and didn't invite her. classy i tell ya, classy.
I don't even know what to say to that. Such bullshit.

[Tec Mason]

This is why public school systems are such a terrible idea. In a public school, everyone in the area is taxed to fund it, regardless of whether they want to support it. If the school that was anti-lesbian was private, then parents and students and alumni who were pro-gay could cease funding the school. Since the school would seek like more money than less (all else equal), then they would change their policies to encourage pro-gay donations to continue. If they were religiously or hatefully opposed to homosexuallity for any reason, then gay and pro-gay supporters could send their kids to another school that was acceptable of homosexuals. If there was no such school in the area (which would suck but is possible), then someone could start a pro-gay school to accommodate the demand. The U.S. governments barriers to starting new schools prevents these new private schools from starting.

[Tec Mason]

One objection just occurred to me to my solution that is pretty good: "What if the school is racist/sexist/anti-gay and all the people their like it that way?"

While it is terrible in my opinion to hate anyone, I do not think i have the right to keep these hateful people from discriminating in their school. What is great about this is that hateful bigots can go to a bigot school and leave the rest of us alone, and the more accepting schools would be free of the more racist/sexist/whateverist people.

Currently, the government provides "free" schooling, even to bigots/racists/sexists/etc. this increases the amount of hateful people that are around accepting people, and on the accepting people's tax money. freeing up the school systems to allow discrimination would isolate the hateful from the accepting, which when i think of it, I don't mind at all.

[maddiexisxboss]

That's ridiculously un-fair. What ever happened to separation of church and state? I'm religious, and I think things like prayer should be allowed in schools, as long those personal views aren't forced upon students. There should be freedom of choice, and if a same-sex couple wants to go to prom together, they should be able to without restriction.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

This is why public school systems are such a terrible idea. In a public school, everyone in the area is taxed to fund it, regardless of whether they want to support it. If the school that was anti-lesbian was private, then parents and students and alumni who were pro-gay could cease funding the school. Since the school would seek like more money than less (all else equal), then they would change their policies to encourage pro-gay donations to continue. If they were religiously or hatefully opposed to homosexuallity for any reason, then gay and pro-gay supporters could send their kids to another school that was acceptable of homosexuals. If there was no such school in the area (which would suck but is possible), then someone could start a pro-gay school to accommodate the demand. The U.S. governments barriers to starting new schools prevents these new private schools from starting.

Are you going to send your kids to a private school?

[loveisdead]

One objection just occurred to me to my solution that is pretty good: "What if the school is racist/sexist/anti-gay and all the people their like it that way?"

While it is terrible in my opinion to hate anyone, I do not think i have the right to keep these hateful people from discriminating in their school. What is great about this is that hateful bigots can go to a bigot school and leave the rest of us alone, and the more accepting schools would be free of the more racist/sexist/whateverist people.

Currently, the government provides "free" schooling, even to bigots/racists/sexists/etc. this increases the amount of hateful people that are around accepting people, and on the accepting people's tax money. freeing up the school systems to allow discrimination would isolate the hateful from the accepting, which when i think of it, I don't mind at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_but_equal

[caveBEAR]

Currently, the government provides "free" schooling, even to bigots/racists/sexists/etc. this increases the amount of hateful people that are around accepting people, and on the accepting people's tax money. freeing up the school systems to allow discrimination would isolate the hateful from the accepting, which when i think of it, I don't mind at all.

The solution to racism, hatred and bigotry is to remove them from access to accepting people, and instead stick them all together so they can believe their twisted world views hold weight by way of majority?

[Lueda Alia]

They apparently made a Facebook group to ridicule (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Constance-quit-yer-cryin/367776042862?ref=sgm) her. I don't even know what to say.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

They apparently made a Facebook group to ridicule (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Constance-quit-yer-cryin/367776042862?ref=sgm) her. I don't even know what to say.

Back in my day, we didn't have cyber bullying. Nowadays, it leads the victims to suicide (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/03/29/2010-03-29_phoebe_prince_south_hadley_high_ schools_new_girl_driven_to_suicide_ by_teenage_cy.html).

[Tec Mason]

Are you going to send your kids to a private school?

Yes

[Tec Mason]

The solution to racism, hatred and bigotry is to remove them from access to accepting people, and instead stick them all together so they can believe their twisted world views hold weight by way of majority?

I believe it is wrong to force anyone to support anything they do not wish to support voluntarily, provided they do it without hamring another person. If I was pro-slavery, and showed it by owning slaves, it is okay to force me to stop because I am violating the rights of the person I enslaved. If I am a pro-slavery person who owns no slaves and never hurt anyone, then i may be immoral, but I certainly have the right to my own thoughts. It is wrong to force pro- people to pay for schools that are anti-[issue]. It is wrong to force anti-[issue] people to support schools that are pro-[issue] (my opinion of course)

I never said this would eliminate racism and hatred. If you believe that racism and hatred can be eliminated from society, then you are correct in disliking my solution (though i do believe that a free market society would have less racism and sexism then a state society. But that is for another thread). If you think people have the right to hate, regardless of how immoral it is, then my solution works better than what we have now.

With competing schools who compete for children/tuition, the discriminating schools will by nature, exclude those they discriminate against, as well as those who oppose discrimination period. The schools who are accepting of all sexes/races/orientation will out compete the schools who are hateful. Remember that segregation and slavery in the U.S. was not a market phenomena. [I]The State sanctioned and protected slave owners. The State forced segregation and encouraged racial/sexual division. only now is it unwinding, and only because it is no longer politically viable to remain a bigot publicly. Why is it not politically viable? because brave men and women stood up to the state and demanded that it ceased its injustice. Individuals stood in front of The Mall and convenced the hearts and minds of Americans that we can no longer tolerate the injustices. It is only after the zeitgeist changed that the politicians change their tune.

Is it possible that the hateful schools prosper and even gain a following of their ideals? sure. But as long as they do not harm anyone else, their thoughts are their own. Remember that any government that is powerful enough to squash those people you dislike (racists/sexists/whoever) is also strong enough to squash those you like.

I believe it is our job as individuals to convince others that their hatred and bigotry is intolerable. It is our responsibility to peacefully convince hateful people that they should change. Having the state force integration of hateful people into the schools we send our children and then forcing the loving people to pay for it involuntarily seems backwards to me.

[IceAge/HeatWave]

stupid, stupid, stupid.

[SincerelyMe]

They apparently made a Facebook group to ridicule (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Constance-quit-yer-cryin/367776042862?ref=sgm) her. I don't even know what to say.

Good to see that most of the comments on that page were supporting her. It still should not exist.

[caveBEAR]

They apparently made a Facebook group to ridicule (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Constance-quit-yer-cryin/367776042862?ref=sgm) her. I don't even know what to say.

One of the members of the group was Eric Cartman. Seemed fitting.

[Plutonio]

I believe it is wrong to force anyone to support anything they do not wish to support voluntarily, provided they do it without hamring another person. If I was pro-slavery, and showed it by owning slaves, it is okay to force me to stop because I am violating the rights of the person I enslaved. If I am a pro-slavery person who owns no slaves and never hurt anyone, then i may be immoral, but I certainly have the right to my own thoughts. It is wrong to force pro- people to pay for schools that are anti-[issue]. It is wrong to force anti-[issue] people to support schools that are pro-[issue] (my opinion of course)

I never said this would eliminate racism and hatred. If you believe that racism and hatred can be eliminated from society, then you are correct in disliking my solution (though i do believe that a free market society would have less racism and sexism then a state society. But that is for another thread). If you think people have the right to hate, regardless of how immoral it is, then my solution works better than what we have now.

With competing schools who compete for children/tuition, the discriminating schools will by nature, exclude those they discriminate against, as well as those who oppose discrimination period. The schools who are accepting of all sexes/races/orientation will out compete the schools who are hateful. Remember that segregation and slavery in the U.S. was not a market phenomena. [I]The State sanctioned and protected slave owners. The State forced segregation and encouraged racial/sexual division. only now is it unwinding, and only because it is no longer politically viable to remain a bigot publicly. Why is it not politically viable? because brave men and women stood up to the state and demanded that it ceased its injustice. Individuals stood in front of The Mall and convenced the hearts and minds of Americans that we can no longer tolerate the injustices. It is only after the zeitgeist changed that the politicians change their tune.

Is it possible that the hateful schools prosper and even gain a following of their ideals? sure. But as long as they do not harm anyone else, their thoughts are their own. Remember that any government that is powerful enough to squash those people you dislike (racists/sexists/whoever) is also strong enough to squash those you like.

I believe it is our job as individuals to convince others that their hatred and bigotry is intolerable. It is our responsibility to peacefully convince hateful people that they should change. Having the state force integration of hateful people into the schools we send our children and then forcing the loving people to pay for it involuntarily seems backwards to me.
Bigotry founded this nation, so it's odd that we discriminate against it, as it has oftentimes led others to progress. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but occasionally the idea that bigotry is the key to stopping bigotry can be somewhat entertaining.

For example, had bigotry in the south not have financially excluded the north, many people would have disregarded its moral taint. Had the royalty in Great Britain not executed those of a different religion, dissent would not have founded our nation. Granted, there are of course times where the entire evolution of mankind causes regression, but that is to be expected. Had we not have been bigots in the first place, we never would have seen the difference in progress, as that would be an unheard-of concept. That concept has led to more fulfilling lives everywhere.

[Plutonio]

Back in my day, we didn't have cyber bullying. Nowadays, it leads the victims to suicide (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/03/29/2010-03-29_phoebe_prince_south_hadley_high_ schools_new_girl_driven_to_suicide_ by_teenage_cy.html).
Yes, like Craig Owens.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Yes, like Craig Owens.

X-)

[Plutonio]

X-)
You have to admit that statement was tasteful.