Checks Calendar - Nope Not 1984 Yet.

[Jason Tate]

Bush plan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101334.html) for military courts will expand their authority to include trials of people who aren't terrorists, no public or speedy trial, and crimes can be added at will.

[TheNumberOneFan]

wow

freaking.. wow

[Jason Tate]

From Americablog:

1. According to the Washington Post, "the plan, which would replace a military trial system ruled illegal by the Supreme Court in June, would also allow the secretary of defense to add crimes at will to those under the military court's jurisdiction." If that is correct, then the federal government could add ANY crime to the list, ANY crime. So any American suspected of ANYTHING could be picked up and sent to a military court and never heard from again because, oh yeah guess what, the new legislation says you basically get a Soviet gulag trial:

Under the proposed procedures, defendants would lack rights to confront accusers, exclude hearsay accusations, or bar evidence obtained through rough or coercive interrogations. They would not be guaranteed a public or speedy trial and would lack the right to choose their military counsel, who in turn would not be guaranteed equal access to evidence held by prosecutors. Detainees would also not be guaranteed the right to be present at their own trials, if their absence is deemed necessary to protect national security or individuals.

2. The part that could easily cover reporters, and political dissidents:

The military lawyers nonetheless supported extending the jurisdiction of the commissions to cover those accused of joining or associating with terrorist groups engaged in anti-U.S. hostilities, and of committing or aiding hostile acts by such groups, whether or not they are part of al-Qaeda, two U.S. officials said.

Aiding hostile acts? Who would that be? Well, according to the White House's own words over the past 5 years, every one of us who speaks out against the war, every newspaper who publishes articles about Bush's violating the law in his over-execution of the war on terror, is "aiding" the enemy. Remember, these are the White House's own words, folks. And now they want legislation that says that those of who "aid" the enemy can be basically tried in abstentia and never heard from again.

[TheNumberOneFan]

From Americablog:

1. According to the Washington Post, "the plan, which would replace a military trial system ruled illegal by the Supreme Court in June, would also allow the secretary of defense to add crimes at will to those under the military court's jurisdiction." If that is correct, then the federal government could add ANY crime to the list, ANY crime. So any American suspected of ANYTHING could be picked up and sent to a military court and never heard from again because, oh yeah guess what, the new legislation says you basically get a Soviet gulag trial:

Under the proposed procedures, defendants would lack rights to confront accusers, exclude hearsay accusations, or bar evidence obtained through rough or coercive interrogations. They would not be guaranteed a public or speedy trial and would lack the right to choose their military counsel, who in turn would not be guaranteed equal access to evidence held by prosecutors. Detainees would also not be guaranteed the right to be present at their own trials, if their absence is deemed necessary to protect national security or individuals.

2. The part that could easily cover reporters, and political dissidents:

The military lawyers nonetheless supported extending the jurisdiction of the commissions to cover those accused of joining or associating with terrorist groups engaged in anti-U.S. hostilities, and of committing or aiding hostile acts by such groups, whether or not they are part of al-Qaeda, two U.S. officials said.

Aiding hostile acts? Who would that be? Well, according to the White House's own words over the past 5 years, every one of us who speaks out against the war, every newspaper who publishes articles about Bush's violating the law in his over-execution of the war on terror, is "aiding" the enemy. Remember, these are the White House's own words, folks. And now they want legislation that says that those of who "aid" the enemy can be basically tried in abstentia and never heard from again.

can we say mccarthy

[Jason Tate]

Call me a "damn liberal" all you fucking want - but at least read the god damn article first.

/Saying it now before it starts.

[iheartlancebass]

so when does the Brand New album come out?

[Venona]

isnt there something against this in the Bill Of Rights?

"The Consitution is just a damn peice of paper" - George W Bush

[xPaulWallx]

tate doesnt want to be called a liberal but yet so far his only two sources are americablog and the washington post. yeaaaaa those arent liberal at all. (sarcasm) americablog is so liberal they hate chris matthews. the way i see it, if you are scared of getting arrested and being put in one of these trials then what the fuck are you doing???? if you are innocent then you really shouldnt care. and i doubt they will be using this to arrest reporters like americablog cries about. keep on fighting the "good" fight tate. maybe after the liberals lose the next election they will actually move to canada instead of just threatening it but never following through.

[marchfaster]

oh jason, under all your liberal ANGST i know you love george dubya
can we say best president ever?

http://photos-046.facebook.com/ip008/profile2/139/25/n170501046_24478.jpg

[8:17am]

Not only is this a massive abuse of power and an almost unprecendented violation of civil liberties, it may also be a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and it may technically be a war crime.

God forbid an average citizen with absolutely no ties to terrorism or any other activities that would threaten national security be arrested and prosecuted at a trial of this manner. This is George W. Bush treating the Constitution like a piece of toilet paper.

[goyoyofosoco]

tate doesnt want to be called a liberal but yet so far his only two sources are americablog and the washington post. yeaaaaa those arent liberal at all. (sarcasm) americablog is so liberal they hate chris matthews. the way i see it, if you are scared of getting arrested and being put in one of these trials then what the fuck are you doing???? if you are innocent then you really shouldnt care. and i doubt they will be using this to arrest reporters like americablog cries about. keep on fighting the "good" fight tate. maybe after the liberals lose the next election they will actually move to canada instead of just threatening it but never following through.




If 50 Cent were here, he'd say, "Get 'em, Buck."




He's not. I am... So...
"Get 'em, Tate."



I'll jump in when I've been pissed off to the point of killing my buzz by thinking about "President" Monkeyface.

[marchfaster]

tate doesnt want to be called a liberal but yet so far his only two sources are americablog and the washington post. yeaaaaa those arent liberal at all. (sarcasm) americablog is so liberal they hate chris matthews. the way i see it, if you are scared of getting arrested and being put in one of these trials then what the fuck are you doing???? if you are innocent then you really shouldnt care. and i doubt they will be using this to arrest reporters like americablog cries about. keep on fighting the "good" fight tate. maybe after the liberals lose the next election they will actually move to canada instead of just threatening it but never following through.
while i agree that tate's choices of citing was horrendously biased, there is a problem with compromising the right to a free and fair trial for ANYONE. if you read the most current TIME there is a story about a lance corporal or something in Ramadi, one of the terrorist hotspots who willingly ignores nationalist insurgents. he ignores them because it is understood that if they dont attack his troops, his troops will respect them, knock on thier doors, he even has conversations with them (they are also not under risk of being arrested or killed for thier nationalist sympathies)

what the politicians (politicians as a whole, because im sure there are some liberals in on this idea too, though thats an assumption) are doing here, is effectively trying to undo that connectedness with iraqi citizens, and eliminating a constituional right.
so what if someone loves iraq and says fuck america you all deserve to die.....i think america sucks pretty bad right now, but i dont have any intention of blowing someone up for it why? because im not insane. but guess what, posting this right here puts me under the same watchful eye of big brother as a terrorist sleeper cell, awesome.

[Jason Tate]

tate doesnt want to be called a liberal but yet so far his only two sources are americablog and the washington post. yeaaaaa those arent liberal at all. (sarcasm) americablog is so liberal they hate chris matthews. the way i see it, if you are scared of getting arrested and being put in one of these trials then what the fuck are you doing???? if you are innocent then you really shouldnt care. and i doubt they will be using this to arrest reporters like americablog cries about. keep on fighting the "good" fight tate. maybe after the liberals lose the next election they will actually move to canada instead of just threatening it but never following through.
You are such a fucking idiot. I wish there was a more polite way to tell you that, but I can't come up with one worthy of typing.

Read the God damn article you moron.

I'm not afraid of being called a liberal, I just wish you fuckers took a few college courses before you tossed around terms when you don't even know what they mean. Keep calling yourself a "Conservative" while you keep spouting the "I didn't do anything, I have nothing to worry about" line - I swear there is nothing that screams "I AM A FUCKING MORON" louder than that.

I cited the Washington Post; omfg - that must mean it's SO UNTRUE. How is INFORMATION ABOUT A PROPOSAL GOING TO BE UNTRUE!?!?!? It's on the Senate floor, it's not like this is some made-up-fucking-story. Run a Google search, I'm sure it'll be on Fox News (OMG they're like so totally the best news source ever) sooner or later. That associate deputy attorney general during the Reagan administration is prolly a commie-liberal too. Hell, just want to go straight to the horses mouth? Here: senate.gov (http://senate.gov). Enjoy.

The fact you don't understand just a few of the basics of what living in this country means - makes you so unworthy of having any of them.

/Yes, all of the insults were warranted at this douchebag.
//It's not facism when we do it.
///No, I'm not going to be nice or polite to anyone that can actually defend something like this.
////Slash happy!

[8:17am]

tate doesnt want to be called a liberal but yet so far his only two sources are americablog and the washington post. yeaaaaa those arent liberal at all. (sarcasm) americablog is so liberal they hate chris matthews. the way i see it, if you are scared of getting arrested and being put in one of these trials then what the fuck are you doing???? if you are innocent then you really shouldnt care. and i doubt they will be using this to arrest reporters like americablog cries about. keep on fighting the "good" fight tate. maybe after the liberals lose the next election they will actually move to canada instead of just threatening it but never following through.

Read 1984.

[goyoyofosoco]

tate doesnt want to be called a liberal but yet so far his only two sources are americablog and the washington post. yeaaaaa those arent liberal at all. (sarcasm) americablog is so liberal they hate chris matthews. the way i see it, if you are scared of getting arrested and being put in one of these trials then what the fuck are you doing???? if you are innocent then you really shouldnt care. and i doubt they will be using this to arrest reporters like americablog cries about. keep on fighting the "good" fight tate. maybe after the liberals lose the next election they will actually move to canada instead of just threatening it but never following through.





Dude, innocent people have been put to death in the state of Texas. That's a law of statistics. There are going to be times when people cannot prove their innocence, even though they are exactly that: innocent.


For you to pull the "if you're scared, what illegal shit are you doing?" card is fucking ridiculous. It must have been people like you that put this motherfucking piece of shit in the white house to begin with, because no one with any semblance of brain cells would have allowed this to happen.


Bush is a weapon of mass destruction, and, now he's destroying freedoms instead of flesh and blood... It's nice to see him moving up in the world.


Knock knock. Who's there? Get the hell out of my office.

[8:17am]

Dude, innocent people have been put to death in the state of Texas. That's a law of statistics. There are going to be times when people cannot prove their innocence, even though they are exactly that: innocent.


For you to pull the "if you're scared, what illegal shit are you doing?" card is fucking ridiculous. It must have been people like you that put this motherfucking piece of shit in the white house to begin with, because no one with any semblance of brain cells would have allowed this to happen.


Bush is a weapon of mass destruction, and, now he's destroying freedoms instead of flesh and blood... It's nice to see him moving up in the world.


Knock knock. Who's there? Get the hell out of my office.

This guy deserves some type of award. Tate, hook that up.

[goyoyofosoco]

Regardless of being a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, etc, EVERY AMERICAN THAT VALUES THEIR FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS SHOULD BE FULLY OPPOSED TO THIS.





It just doesn't make sense to give up freedom for the ILLUSION of a safer world.

[jawstheme417]

Dude, innocent people have been put to death in the state of Texas. That's a law of statistics. There are going to be times when people cannot prove their innocence, even though they are exactly that: innocent.


For you to pull the "if you're scared, what illegal shit are you doing?" card is fucking ridiculous. It must have been people like you that put this motherfucking piece of shit in the white house to begin with, because no one with any semblance of brain cells would have allowed this to happen.


Bush is a weapon of mass destruction, and, now he's destroying freedoms instead of flesh and blood... It's nice to see him moving up in the world.


Knock knock. Who's there? Get the hell out of my office.

not to disagree with you about innocent people being put to death and i'm really not sure about this whole thing as i'll have to hear more about it..but you made a mistake in saying "people cannot prove their innocence". In court, it is "innocent until proven guilty" not vice versa. it is the burden of the court to prove a person guilty not the burden of the person to prove themself innocent

[Jason Tate]

http://www.shovelbeating.org/~ryan/calvin-and-hobbes/ch860407.gif

[Jason Tate]

not to disagree with you about innocent people being put to death and i'm really not sure about this whole thing as i'll have to hear more about it..but you made a mistake in saying "people cannot prove their innocence". In court, it is "innocent until proven guilty" not vice versa. it is the burden of the court to prove a person guilty not the burden of the person to prove themself innocent

Maybe not for long... :p

[enj0i29]

This and Net Neutrality go up as the 2 biggest WTF's of 2006.
If either of these proposals goes through, the world will go to absolute shit

[goyoyofosoco]

not to disagree with you about innocent people being put to death and i'm really not sure about this whole thing as i'll have to hear more about it..but you made a mistake in saying "people cannot prove their innocence". In court, it is "innocent until proven guilty" not vice versa. it is the burden of the court to prove a person guilty not the burden of the person to prove themself innocent





If you are on trial, you have been charged as the "most likely person to have committed the crime", basically. There are situations where other people do things that are wrong and then pin them on others, and there are times when people are just in the wrong place at the wrong time, with no way to show "beyond the shadow of a doubt" that they are fully innocent of any wrong-doing.




"Innocent until proven guilty" is the way it should be, but, I think we all pretty much know that's not the way it happens, the majority of the time. To think otherwise is to be naive to the way the world has become in the last 15 years.

[tcemoo]

so when does the Brand New album come out?

i second that haha

[xPaulWallx]

You are such a fucking idiot. I wish there was a more polite way to tell you that, but I can't come up with one worthy of typing.

Read the God damn article you moron.

I'm not afraid of being called a liberal, I just wish you fuckers took a few college courses before you tossed around terms when you don't even know what they mean. Keep calling yourself a "Conservative" while you keep spouting the "I didn't do anything, I have nothing to worry about" line - I swear there is nothing that screams "I AM A FUCKING MORON" louder than that.

I cited the Washington Post; omfg - that must mean it's SO UNTRUE. How is INFORMATION ABOUT A PROPOSAL GOING TO BE UNTRUE!?!?!? It's on the Senate floor, it's not like this is some made-up-fucking-story. Run a Google search, I'm sure it'll be on Fox News (OMG they're like so totally the best news source ever) sooner or later. That associate deputy attorney general during the Reagan administration is prolly a commie-liberal too.

The fact you don't understand just a few of the basics of what living in this country means - makes you so unworthy of having any of them.

/Yes, all of the insults were warranted at this douchebag.
//It's not facism when we do it.
///No, I'm not going to be nice or polite to anyone that can actually defend something like this.
////Slash happy!
haha nice post. real intelligent with all the name calling and everything. i READ the article before my original post. and went to a better college than you. its called differing opinions. not everyone thinks like you. all i did was point out the fact that your sources are ALWAYS so liberal and in my opinion heavily biased. i doubt this thing even gets passed. you just love to stir up shit and its great that you are basically stating that anyone who disagrees with you on this is gonna get hated on by your all knowing and full of yourself ass. why even make the fuckin post then if people cant talk about it and discuss it? did you just want everyone to come in here and agree with you to make you feel better about yourself? or do you just wanna let everyone know how "bad" bush is, cause you dont think they can figure it out for themselves and make their own opinion? you're funny. and dont act like you are so intelligent and all knowing. ive seen you do this shit for years and its always the same thing, you link an article from a heavily liberal website and then act like its your own argument. you hardly ever say anything original and thats your own unless its calling someone a fucking asshole and a bunch of childish namecalling for someone thinking differently than you...i know its a lame comparison but you really do run your website like you think bush runs the country. hypocrite?

[8:17am]

http://www.shovelbeating.org/%7Eryan/calvin-and-hobbes/ch860407.gif

Haha, kick ass post.

[Jason Tate]

haha nice post. real intelligent with all the name calling and everything. i READ the article before my original post. and went to a better college than you. its called differing opinions. not everyone thinks like you. all i did was point out the fact that your sources are ALWAYS so liberal and in my opinion heavily biased. i doubt this thing even gets passed. you just love to stir up shit and its great that you are basically stating that anyone who disagrees with you on this is gonna get hated on by your all knowing and full of yourself ass. why even make the fuckin post then if people cant talk about it and discuss it? did you just want everyone to come in here and agree with you to make you feel better about yourself? or do you just wanna let everyone know how "bad" bush is, cause you dont think they can figure it out for themselves and make their own opinion? you're funny.
I want people to be aware of what's going on - I never said it was GOING to pass, I simply said it was a DRAFT - and I figured those wanting other sources could go to Google news or senate.gov as easily as I could. Soooooooooo .. I forgot that informing people of potential ASSFUCKINGS was a bad thing?

Glad your "better college" taught you how to use the "shift" key. It's fun to say things online, "I went to Harvard" - and have absolutely no way to back it up.

[Justin Link]

not to disagree with you about innocent people being put to death and i'm really not sure about this whole thing as i'll have to hear more about it..but you made a mistake in saying "people cannot prove their innocence". In court, it is "innocent until proven guilty" not vice versa. it is the burden of the court to prove a person guilty not the burden of the person to prove themself innocent

i kinda think that he meant to say it that way, being that that is how america seems to run these days. the last two times ive been stopped by police while driving, the first one asked me how i could prove i wasn't speeding over a bridge, and the second one (after i was doing absolutely nothing wrong), i pulled into a parking lot of a doctor's office, and was pulled over, and the officer told me to "have some common sense. what if some sort of vandalism took place, you would have to prove that you weren't there." both times i was in a car with 3 other dudes, and both times didn't get a ticket. but its what they told me that makes me upset.

even though america boasts the "innocent until proven guilty" standard, i have ALWAYS felt, since i first began to understand law and how it works, that it has always been the opposite. i have come to realize it more and more as george bush gets farther and farther into his term.

oh and by the way, i am a liberal, i hate george w. bush, and i consider myself fairly educated, after taking both poly sci and law classes in college.

[goyoyofosoco]

haha nice post. real intelligent with all the name calling and everything. i READ the article before my original post. and went to a better college than you. its called differing opinions. not everyone thinks like you. all i did was point out the fact that your sources are ALWAYS so liberal and in my opinion heavily biased. i doubt this thing even gets passed. you just love to stir up shit and its great that you are basically stating that anyone who disagrees with you on this is gonna get hated on by your all knowing and full of yourself ass. why even make the fuckin post then if people cant talk about it and discuss it? did you just want everyone to come in here and agree with you to make you feel better about yourself? or do you just wanna let everyone know how "bad" bush is, cause you dont think they can figure it out for themselves and make their own opinion? you're funny.




You're the one that called Tate out in the first fucking place. You gave your opinion, which clearly sides with the "big government" way of thinking, and Tate gave his side, which is on the side of the people who want the freedoms and rights that "our forefathers fought to protect (as republicans ALWAYS seem to remind us)" not to be abolished by the biggest mistake in the history of Washington D.C.



TATE!?!?! WHERE THE FUCK IS MY AWARD?!?!? I want to beat this kid with it.

[xPaulWallx]

while i agree that tate's choices of citing was horrendously biased, there is a problem with compromising the right to a free and fair trial for ANYONE. if you read the most current TIME there is a story about a lance corporal or something in Ramadi, one of the terrorist hotspots who willingly ignores nationalist insurgents. he ignores them because it is understood that if they dont attack his troops, his troops will respect them, knock on thier doors, he even has conversations with them (they are also not under risk of being arrested or killed for thier nationalist sympathies)

what the politicians (politicians as a whole, because im sure there are some liberals in on this idea too, though thats an assumption) are doing here, is effectively trying to undo that connectedness with iraqi citizens, and eliminating a constituional right.
so what if someone loves iraq and says fuck america you all deserve to die.....i think america sucks pretty bad right now, but i dont have any intention of blowing someone up for it why? because im not insane. but guess what, posting this right here puts me under the same watchful eye of big brother as a terrorist sleeper cell, awesome.

yeaaaaaahhhh watch out!!!! you are sooooo going to jail now for posting that!!!! cause its so just like 1984 right now!!!! the world is ending!!!!!

[8:17am]

haha nice post. real intelligent with all the name calling and everything. i READ the article before my original post. and went to a better college than you. its called differing opinions. not everyone thinks like you. all i did was point out the fact that your sources are ALWAYS so liberal and in my opinion heavily biased. i doubt this thing even gets passed. you just love to stir up shit and its great that you are basically stating that anyone who disagrees with you on this is gonna get hated on by your all knowing and full of yourself ass. why even make the fuckin post then if people cant talk about it and discuss it? did you just want everyone to come in here and agree with you to make you feel better about yourself? or do you just wanna let everyone know how "bad" bush is, cause you dont think they can figure it out for themselves and make their own opinion? you're funny. and dont act like you are so intelligent and all knowing. ive seen you do this shit for years and its always the same thing, you link an article from a heavily liberal website and then act like its your own argument. you hardly ever say anything original and thats your own unless its calling someone a fucking asshole and a bunch of childish namecalling for someone thinking differently than you...

In my opinion Tate was just informing the sizeable audience that he has on this site of what he considers to be wrong-doing by the government.

Besides that, as far as using liber or biased sources, we put up with it from Fox News and other conservatives in the media, so when we do it, it's just fighting fire with fire. I hate that we've had to resort to it, but it's time to fight back.

[Jason Tate]

i kinda think that he meant to say it that way, being that that is how america seems to run these days. the last two times ive been stopped by police while driving, the first one asked me how i could prove i wasn't speeding over a bridge, and the second one (after i was doing absolutely nothing wrong), i pulled into a parking lot of a doctor's office, and was pulled over, and the officer told me to "have some common sense. what if some sort of vandalism took place, you would have to prove that you weren't there." both times i was in a car with 3 other dudes, and both times didn't get a ticket. but its what they told me that makes me upset.

even though america boasts the "innocent until proven guilty" standard, i have ALWAYS felt, since i first began to understand law and how it works, that it has always been the opposite. i have come to realize it more and more as george bush gets farther and farther into his term.

oh and by the way, i am a liberal, i hate george w. bush, and i consider myself fairly educated, after taking both poly sci and law classes in college.
Well, "innocent until proven guilty" also means you get a trial - not just shipped off for a few years to somewhere like Guantanamo.

[xPaulWallx]

You're the one that called Tate out in the first fucking place. You gave your opinion, which clearly sides with the "big government" way of thinking, and Tate gave his side, which is on the side of the people who want the freedoms and rights that "our forefathers fought to protect (as republicans ALWAYS seem to remind us)" not to be abolished by the biggest mistake in the history of Washington D.C.



TATE!?!?! WHERE THE FUCK IS MY AWARD?!?!? I want to beat this kid with it.

what side did he present????? all i saw was a bunch of name calling and ignorant hating on my intelligence when he knows nothing about me???? i guess though, in tate's head if you disagree with him and support bush then you are an idiot and its deserved correct?

[Jason Tate]

yeaaaaaahhhh watch out!!!! you are sooooo going to jail now for posting that!!!! cause its so just like 1984 right now!!!! the world is ending!!!!!
I'm too distracted by this Mel Gibson / Jew thing to be paying attention to the men coming through my door, sorry.

[8:17am]

yeaaaaaahhhh watch out!!!! you are sooooo going to jail now for posting that!!!! cause its so just like 1984 right now!!!! the world is ending!!!!!
What you do with grammar and puncuation would make my eigth grade English teacher cry.

[Jason Tate]

what side did he present????? all i saw was a bunch of name calling and ignorant hating on my intelligence when he knows nothing about me???? i guess though, in tate's head if you disagree with him and support bush then you are an idiot and its deserved correct?
No, in my head if you support this draft, you're just about as idiodic as the carpet I'm sitting on.

And I didn't make any assumptions, you're the one speaking in basic favor of shit that 10 years ago Rush and Hannity were saying the Liberals were trying to do! The fact you don't even know what the true meaning of a conservative and liberal are - isn't my fault, that's not an assumption - you've proved you're an idiot.

[xPaulWallx]

Haha, kick ass post.

yea i like how he just copied and pasted someone else's work in there like that.

[goyoyofosoco]

From Americablog:

1. According to the Washington Post, "the plan, which would replace a military trial system ruled illegal by the Supreme Court in June, would also allow the secretary of defense to add crimes at will to those under the military court's jurisdiction." If that is correct, then the federal government could add ANY crime to the list, ANY crime. So any American suspected of ANYTHING could be picked up and sent to a military court and never heard from again because, oh yeah guess what, the new legislation says you basically get a Soviet gulag trial:

Under the proposed procedures, defendants would lack rights to confront accusers, exclude hearsay accusations, or bar evidence obtained through rough or coercive interrogations. They would not be guaranteed a public or speedy trial and would lack the right to choose their military counsel, who in turn would not be guaranteed equal access to evidence held by prosecutors. Detainees would also not be guaranteed the right to be present at their own trials, if their absence is deemed necessary to protect national security or individuals.

2. The part that could easily cover reporters, and political dissidents:

The military lawyers nonetheless supported extending the jurisdiction of the commissions to cover those accused of joining or associating with terrorist groups engaged in anti-U.S. hostilities, and of committing or aiding hostile acts by such groups, whether or not they are part of al-Qaeda, two U.S. officials said.

Aiding hostile acts? Who would that be? Well, according to the White House's own words over the past 5 years, every one of us who speaks out against the war, every newspaper who publishes articles about Bush's violating the law in his over-execution of the war on terror, is "aiding" the enemy. Remember, these are the White House's own words, folks. And now they want legislation that says that those of who "aid" the enemy can be basically tried in abstentia and never heard from again.






I think his side was given somewhere in THERE. It may not be his words, but I'm pretty fucking sure that's his side of the argument, which is probably why he presented it in the first place. Damn... Grab your diploma, go to the pawn shop, cash that shit out and go buy a fucking clue, man.

[Jason Tate]

yea i like how he just copied and pasted someone else's work in there like that.
Someone else's work? It's a fucking Calvin and Hobbes strip - that's like 15 years old.

What planet are you from?

[xPaulWallx]

I want people to be aware of what's going on - I never said it was GOING to pass, I simply said it was a DRAFT - and I figured those wanting other sources could go to Google news or senate.gov as easily as I could. Soooooooooo .. I forgot that informing people of potential ASSFUCKINGS was a bad thing?

Glad your "better college" taught you how to use the "shift" key. It's fun to say things online, "I went to Harvard" - and have absolutely no way to back it up.

haha so you want me to take a picture of my degree?? you're so lame.

[8:17am]

yea i like how he just copied and pasted someone else's work in there like that.

Excuse me for being a fan of Calvin and Hobbes.

[Jason Tate]

haha so you want me to take a picture of my degree?? you're so lame.
No. I was just pointing out the absurdity of you thinking I'm going to believe what you say ONLINE as absolute fact. You're from Texas, you don't get to be trusted without proof bucko.

Are you for real?

[xPaulWallx]

In my opinion Tate was just informing the sizeable audience that he has on this site of what he considers to be wrong-doing by the government.

Besides that, as far as using liber or biased sources, we put up with it from Fox News and other conservatives in the media, so when we do it, it's just fighting fire with fire. I hate that we've had to resort to it, but it's time to fight back.

i love how when it comes to the part where you name conservative news sources you can only really name one. you are soooo fighting back since your party basically is already represented everywhere on TV and the news and yet you cant win an election and cant get your shit ass party to pull it together.

[Jason Tate]

I'll make it clear - my main goal in this post is two-fold (they're actually similar reasons, one personal, one not):

1) People to be made aware that some asshats are actually proposing ideas like that.
2) That these concepts were even brought up. At all. Admission of hearsay? Trial in absentia?

[xPaulWallx]

No. I was just pointing out the absurdity of you thinking I'm going to believe what you say ONLINE as absolute fact. You're from Texas, you don't get to be trusted without proof bucko.

Are you for real?

okay, so far from this convo we have learned that tate feels that if you are from the state of texas you automatically are a liar and cant be trusted and that if you disagree with him on this issue then you are the same as a piece of carpet. real nice tate. how old are you??? and you are supposed to be the mature, intelligent one here? oh wait, its because you can use a "shift" key. i forgot why you were more intelligent than everyone else for a second.

[Jason Tate]

Hasn't it been made pretty clear Bush didn't really "win" that first election? And I'll start tossing all the data on you about the "liberal" media argument (which I've had before in these forums) - but both of these are just straw-man fallacies anyway. I'd rather you stay on topic - one outrageous claim by you is enough tonight.

[xPaulWallx]

I think his side was given somewhere in THERE. It may not be his words, but I'm pretty fucking sure that's his side of the argument, which is probably why he presented it in the first place. Damn... Grab your diploma, go to the pawn shop, cash that shit out and go buy a fucking clue, man.

i love how you are with him yet you cant seem to find his side. and its in there but they arent his words. its some shit he found on the internet and isnt smart enough to translate into his own words. he seems to not be able to come up with an argument unless he finds it online??? did you notice that?

[Jason Tate]

:appl:

Didn't take the sarcasm elective at Chuckles U did you? That's too bad. Maybe you should go back and audit that class.

You. Are. An. Idiot.

[xPaulWallx]

What you do with grammar and puncuation would make my eigth grade English teacher cry.

yeah cause that wasnt a sarcastic statement? i guess she didnt teach you sarcasm in 8th grade, maybe that was later on in school. its the internet, not everything has to be an edited novel. you can read my sentences and get what i am saying...

[Jason Tate]

i love how you are with him yet you cant seem to find his side. and its in there but they arent his words. its some shit he found on the internet and isnt smart enough to translate into his own words. he seems to not be able to come up with an argument unless he finds it online??? did you notice that?
Uh. Yeah, sourcing things is baaaaad. That whole idea of using other's words when they say things better or more concise then you - baaaaaaaad.

Seriously, you're getting worked here by everyone. It's almost sad and pathetic. I'm laughing between listening to music and eating pizza while talking to my girlfriend, you don't even warrant my full attention. How does that make you feel?

[goyoyofosoco]

This proposal is ludicrous, so, yeah, I'm backing Tate on this.




If you agree that this proposal should even have been made, let alone PASSED, you aren't even on the same level as carpet. You're the little pieces of gravel that get stuck in dogshit on the bottom of your foot, after you were TOO FUCKING BLIND to see it coming, kapice?

[8:17am]

i love how when it comes to the part where you name conservative news sources you can only really name one. you are soooo fighting back since your party basically is already represented everywhere on TV and the news and yet you cant win an election and cant get your shit ass party to pull it together.
The Wall Street Journal, that makes two.

As far as my party being represented everywhere on the news and on TV, we have no completely liberal alternative to Faux News. We have one radio station, Air America, where as you've got radio hosts on several different stations, many of whom are hypocritical pricks. Example? Sure. "Too many whites are getting away with drug use...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river." Rush Limbaugh, a prescription drug addict who is so low he sent his house keeper to score Oxycontin in a parking lot for him. Oh, and, by the way, he criticized Bill Clinton for "draft dodging" when he himself, in fact, claimed to have gotten a medical exception to avoid going to Vietnam for a "football knee." In truth he had a pilonidal cyst, which is a cyst on the tip of the butt-crack.

[Jason Tate]

yeah cause that wasnt a sarcastic statement? i guess she didnt teach you sarcasm in 8th grade, maybe that was later on in school. its the internet, not everything has to be an edited novel. you can read my sentences and get what i am saying...
You can't use my joke after I already pulled it out a few posts earlier. Geez. Fucking amatuer. And no, I really can't get a single thing you're saying. The cobwebs of moronic nature that are spewing from your mouth make it impossible to get any sort of actual coherent thought out of what you're saying. You can't even figure out which side of the political party you're REALLY on!? You made one point: source it better. I sent you to the fucking SENATE WEBSITE. Anything else there "super amazing college grad"?

I never said this was GOING to happen, I've made that clear. I just want people to know what people in OUR GOVERNMENT are thinking of doing. Crazy shit's been passed before - the idea here is absolutely, 100%, wrong in every sense of the matter.

[parallelism]

Dude, no.
Fuck no.

[goyoyofosoco]

You can't use my joke after I already pulled it out a few posts earlier. Geez. Fucking amatuer. And no, I really can't get a single thing you're saying. The cobwebs of moronic nature that are spewing from your mouth make it impossible to get any sort of actual coherent thought out of what you're saying. You can't even figure out which side of the political party you're REALLY on!? You made one point: source it better. I sent you to the fucking SENATE WEBSITE. Anything else there "super amazing college grad"?




Tell him, Steve-Dave.

[8:17am]

yeah cause that wasnt a sarcastic statement? i guess she didnt teach you sarcasm in 8th grade, maybe that was later on in school. its the internet, not everything has to be an edited novel. you can read my sentences and get what i am saying...

First of all, my eigth grade english teacher was a man. Second of all, it is a little difficult to understand the things that you're saying, in as much as they're a flaming pile of bullshit. Aside from which, I do understand sarcasm, in fact my sense of humor is basically only sarcastic. And I would expect a college graduate from a fine institution like Notre Dame to practice what he paid for and use proper grammar and puncuation at all times. You, sir, are fifty-thousand dollars a year worth of tuition well spent.

[xPaulWallx]

Uh. Yeah, sourcing things is baaaaad. That whole idea of using other's words when they say things better or more concise then you - baaaaaaaad.

Seriously, you're getting worked here by everyone. It's almost sad and pathetic. I'm laughing between listening to music and eating pizza while talking to my girlfriend, you don't even warrant my full attention. How does that make you feel?

you shouldnt laugh with pizza in your mouth tate, thats bad manners. and of course i'm getting "worked" as you say, in your eyes, you think you are god on this site and you got 5 other guys who love you saying stupid statements against me and just sucking your dick basically online. and i dont know about your shitty college, but mine had this thing where if you sourced everything and never put anything down that were your OWN WORDS, its called PLAGIARISM. look it up tate. cause thats basically all you do, put someone else's shit down and never say anything of your own. and the reason their articles are better than you is because you are actually an idiot. so go ahead and eat your pizza and fuck your what, 17 year old gf and have a great night thinking you are doing great with that diploma from fucking oregon or whatever and maybe i'll get lucky and you'll move to canada for real this time when the dems lose again. later.

[xPaulWallx]

First of all, my eigth grade english teacher was a man. Second of all, it is a little difficult to understand the things that you're saying, in as much as they're a flaming pile of bullshit. Aside from which, I do understand sarcasm, in fact my sense of humor is basically only sarcastic. And I would expect a college graduate from a fine institution like Notre Dame to practice what he paid for and use proper grammar and puncuation at all times. You, sir, are fifty-thousand dollars a year worth of tuition well spent.

you act as if i don't know how to hit a shift key if i want to. keep thinking that buddy. i frankly don't care enough seeing how this is the internet and not a term paper and i'm fucking high as shit.

[8:17am]

you act as if i don't know how to hit a shift key if i want to. keep thinking that buddy. i frankly don't care enough seeing how this is the internet and not a term paper and i'm fucking high as shit.

Not unlike Rush Limbaugh.

[xPaulWallx]

Not unlike Rush Limbaugh.

point?? i got my dick sucked earlier toay, am i bill clinton now?? whatev.

[Jason Tate]

you shouldnt laugh with pizza in your mouth tate, thats bad manners. and of course i'm getting "worked" as you say, in your eyes, you think you are god on this site and you got 5 other guys who love you saying stupid statements against me and just sucking your dick basically online. and i dont know about your shitty college, but mine had this thing where if you sourced everything and never put anything down that were your OWN WORDS, its called PLAGIARISM. look it up tate. cause thats basically all you do, put someone else's shit down and never say anything of your own. and the reason their articles are better than you is because you are actually an idiot. so go ahead and eat your pizza and fuck your what, 17 year old gf and have a great night thinking you are doing great with that diploma from fucking oregon or whatever and maybe i'll get lucky and you'll move to canada for real this time when the dems lose again. later.
I seriously am having trouble reading your posts. I feel like maybe your 6th grade sister snuck on your computer and started typing to me.

Uh. You do realize when things are sourced - that .. that's not "plagiarism." That's why I source things - shoooocking.

You haven't offered anything to this thread - nothing - you haven't proved this isn't a real proposal, or that this is a good proposal, or absolutely anything other than the fact that you pretend to have graduated from Notre Dame or something. At least start trying to have some sort of real argument or cognitive thought pushed forward before calling me an "idiot" and telling me to move to Canada. Why would I move to Canada? Isn't that the exact opposite of me standing up and fighting for what I believe in (which is obviously what my stance is)?

At least usually we have somewhat smart people play devils advocate in these threads. Instead, we got you, talking out of your ass, for 4 pages - and you offered absolutely NOTHING to further any sort of counter-point or ANYTHING that even resembles an original or logical thought.

[8:17am]

point?? i got my dick sucked earlier toay, am i bill clinton now?? whatev.

Well, I'm not a graduate of Notre Dame or anything, but I'm pretty sure to be Bill Clinton, you would have to be a Democrat.

[Jason Tate]

you act as if i don't know how to hit a shift key if i want to. keep thinking that buddy. i frankly don't care enough seeing how this is the internet and not a term paper and i'm fucking high as shit.
So we've learned this from you now:

Doing drugs = (cool republican thing to do), and completely okay.

Arresting people based on hearsay = completely okay.

Your logic at least is as idiodic as it is consistant.

Yeah, I'd say you're a smart cookie.

[xPaulWallx]

haha yea, you talked with me for 4 pages and yet somehow, you "dont care" and "arent trying" hahahaha

[goyoyofosoco]

point?? i got my dick sucked earlier toay, am i bill clinton now?? whatev.



I find it VERY hard to believe that you even HAVE a dick, let alone were smart enough to con some homely girl into slobbering on it for 30 seconds.


I'm sick of things always coming back to Bill Clinton getting his dick sucked, too... Like that's the worst lie any president has ever told to the American public. Clinton was impeached for having an intern give him some "face", while George W. Bush lied to the American people about the reasoning for INVADING a country, and then, in turn, was RE-ELECTED for it. WTF?

[Jason Tate]

haha yea, you talked with me for 4 pages and yet somehow, you "dont care" and "arent trying" hahahaha
I'm getting paid to do this. And it's 12:30 - nothing much else to do other than make fun of the dumbest person I've encountered tonight. You just won the lottery, don't feel too special.

[Jason Tate]

Seeing as I only post things from around the internet - I'm going to continue, because I love this speech.

Good morning, London. Allow me, first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of the everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquility of television. I enjoy them as much as anyone. But in the spirit of commemoration, wherby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone's death or with the end of some awful bloody struggle, are celebrated with a holiday. I thought that this year we could mark the fifth of November, a date that sadly is no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives and have a little chat.

There are those, of course, who do not want us to speak. In fact, I suspect right now orders are being shouted into phones and men with guns will soon be on their way. Anything and everything will be done to stop me from talking to you. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation,words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning and for those who will listen, the enunciation of the truth. The truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? "Cruelty and injustice...intolerance and opression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance, coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who is to blame? Certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable. But again, if truth be told...if you are looking for the guilty, you need only look in the mirror.

I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't? War. Terror. Disease. Food and water shortages. There was a mydrid of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you and in your panic, you turned to now High Chancellor Adam Sutler, with his gleaming boots of polished leather and his garrison of goons. He promised you order. He promised you peace. And all he asked for in return was your silent, obediant consent.

Last night, I sought to end the silence. Last night, I destoryed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it had forgotten. Four hundred years ago, one of our citizens wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice and freedom were more than words. They are perspectives. So if you have seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then I suggest you allow the fifth of November to remain unmarked.

But if you see what I see. If you feel what I feel. And if you would seek, as I seek freedom from this tyranny and an end to this opression...then I ask you to stand beside me, one year from last night, at the gates of Parliment. And together, we shall give them a fifth of November that will never, ever be forgot!


So scary how fitting it seems sometimes.

[8:17am]

I find it VERY hard to believe that you even HAVE a dick, let alone were smart enough to con some homely girl into slobbering on it for 30 seconds.


I'm sick of things always coming back to Bill Clinton getting his dick sucked, too... Like that's the worst lie any president has ever told to the American public. Clinton was impeached for having an intern give him some "face", while George W. Bush lied to the American people about the reasoning for INVADING a country, and then, in turn, was RE-ELECTED for it. WTF?

Well argued my friend, well argued indeed.

[goyoyofosoco]

I'm not going to bash people who have a good time smoking pot or whatnot, because that's unprocessed (except for drying, of course) PLANT-life.





I do have a problem with people who have these "holier-than-thou" attitudes later being found out to be ADDICTED to one of the most powerful PRESCRIPTION drugs on the planet. Call me a liberal, a pothead, a stoner, a hippie, whatever. I don't give a fuck... Just don't call me those things and then get caught snorting heroin off some midget prostitute's bumpy asscheeks, ya got me?

[8:17am]

I'm not going to bash people who have a good time smoking pot or whatnot, because that's unprocessed (except for drying, of course) PLANT-life.





I do have a problem with people who have these "holier-than-thou" attitudes later being found out to be ADDICTED to one of the most powerful PRESCRIPTION drugs on the planet. Call me a liberal, a pothead, a stoner, a hippie, whatever. I don't give a fuck... Just don't call me those things and then get caught snorting heroin off some midget prostitute's bumpy asscheeks, ya got me?

Did you really have to bring midget hookers into this?

[goyoyofosoco]

Did you really have to bring midget hookers into this?




I figured if I didn't, PaulWall probably would.



Zing. I'm here all week.

[Jason Tate]

I'm not going to bash people who have a good time smoking pot or whatnot, because that's unprocessed (except for drying, of course) PLANT-life.





I do have a problem with people who have these "holier-than-thou" attitudes later being found out to be ADDICTED to one of the most powerful PRESCRIPTION drugs on the planet. Call me a liberal, a pothead, a stoner, a hippie, whatever. I don't give a fuck... Just don't call me those things and then get caught snorting heroin off some midget prostitute's bumpy asscheeks, ya got me?
I could care less about drugs too - I was just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy and subtle irony in his night's activities.

[8:17am]

I figured if I didn't, PaulWall probably would.



Zing. I'm here all week.

So that's how he got the blow job!

[xPaulWallx]

<http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l120/jhemmi/Photo1.jpg

and to all a good night, just think, one day i could be your boss. what a sad sad world we live in...

[goyoyofosoco]

So that's how he got the blow job!





You're a quick one.... MISTER GRINCH!

[Jason Tate]

<http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l120/jhemmi/Photo1.jpg

and to all a good night, just think, one day i could be your boss. what a sad sad world we live in...
Won't be mine.

/Who actually buys class rings? Fucking tool.
//Still haven't seen a diploma.
///Even with one you're still the biggest idiot I've encountered tonight and will continue to mock you.

[goyoyofosoco]

<http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l120/jhemmi/Photo1.jpg

and to all a good night, just think, one day i could be your boss. what a sad sad world we live in...





Your middle finger looks like a thumb. Take THAT.





...yeah, it's hard to insult a picture that impressive...





...HOW WILL I SLEEP TONIGHT!??!!? OH NO!!! OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!...








...aaaaaaaaaaannnd... SCENE.

[jawstheme417]

i kinda think that he meant to say it that way, being that that is how america seems to run these days. the last two times ive been stopped by police while driving, the first one asked me how i could prove i wasn't speeding over a bridge, and the second one (after i was doing absolutely nothing wrong), i pulled into a parking lot of a doctor's office, and was pulled over, and the officer told me to "have some common sense. what if some sort of vandalism took place, you would have to prove that you weren't there." both times i was in a car with 3 other dudes, and both times didn't get a ticket. but its what they told me that makes me upset.

even though america boasts the "innocent until proven guilty" standard, i have ALWAYS felt, since i first began to understand law and how it works, that it has always been the opposite. i have come to realize it more and more as george bush gets farther and farther into his term.

oh and by the way, i am a liberal, i hate george w. bush, and i consider myself fairly educated, after taking both poly sci and law classes in college.

well i do agree it may sometimes play out as guilty until proven innocent , but the whole cop thing is kinda a bad comparison lol being that no one can really prove speeding or traffic violations other than going by what a cop says or what his radar gun reads..but i do agree w/ your overall point

[goyoyofosoco]

<http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l120/jhemmi/Photo1.jpg

and to all a good night, just think, one day i could be your boss. what a sad sad world we live in...





Damn, I just flipped this kid off with his own finger AND ring, for the SECOND time.

[theeasykill]

<http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l120/jhemmi/Photo1.jpg



Wow, that proved absolutely nothing. Who cares where you graduated? The fact is that you didn't even make an argument here. The proposal was ludicrous, and somehow you thought government officials that are working for the people could do something so violating and detrimental to the most important aspects of this country.

[xPaulWallx]

Won't be mine.

/Who actually buys class rings? Fucking tool.
//Still haven't seen a diploma.
///Even with one you're still the biggest idiot I've encountered tonight and will continue to mock you.

people buy class rings when they actually are proud of their college. yeah i know its hard for you to fathom coming from redlands and all. and i love how you still dont believe me, as if i got a fake ND ring to spite you. keep living in your dream world tate.

[xPaulWallx]

Wow, that proved absolutely nothing. Who cares where you graduated? The fact is that you didn't even make an argument here. The proposal was ludicrous, and somehow you thought government officials that are working for the people could do something so violating and detrimental to the most important aspects of this country.

if you read the whole shitty ass thread you would see i did that just cause tate was calling me a liar. and i won.

[goyoyofosoco]

Tate... I have a class ring. Does that make me all :focus: :poke:





"Betrayal five!"
- The Todd

[Jason Tate]

people buy class rings when they actually are proud of their college. yeah i know its hard for you to fathom coming from redlands and all. and i love how you still dont believe me, as if i got a fake ND ring to spite you. keep living in your dream world tate.
No, it's not that I don't believe you - it's that I went to an inferior college and still ended up more apt to hold an actual conversation where real points are brought forth and argued; and to top it all of I got such a sweeter job.

[Jason Tate]

if you read the whole shitty ass thread you would see i did that just cause tate was calling me a liar. and i won.
I said show me your diploma as a joke and observation about how you saying something online holds zero water with me; but regardless, how (for like the 100th time in this thread) are you thinking you're actually responding to things I'm saying? This is another classic example in a thread already riddled with them. This is getting absolutely hysterical.

[Jason Tate]

Tate... I have a class ring. Does that make me all :focus: :poke:





"Betrayal five!"
- The Todd
You forgot the *snap.*

[thebestkylever]

this thread has been a blast.

[goyoyofosoco]

You know how people say: "I just about (figuratively) shit my pants", when they're done laughing at something?



I'm laughing at this guy so hard that I just shit HIS pants. Yeah. It was a good, hearty GUFFAW (whatever the hell that's supposed to be.)

[goyoyofosoco]

DAMN, I did forget the *snap*...


"Quick. Say something."


BANANA HAMMOCK.

[thebestkylever]

DAMN, I did forget the *snap*...


"Quick. Say something."


BANANA HAMMOCK.

nice. sterile high five. *snap*

[goyoyofosoco]

OK, well, I'm off to the gas station to buy myself a treat after this. Tate, 817, etc: Pretend I gave you money, and then go and buy your own treats.




EVERYBODY WINS.




But, yeah, I'm coming back for round 2, if any more people decide they think this legislation is a good idea or that their college could beat up someone else's college.

[Jason Tate]

OK, well, I'm off to the gas station to buy myself a treat after this. Tate, 817, etc: Pretend I gave you money, and then go and buy your own treats.




EVERYBODY WINS.




But, yeah, I'm coming back for round 2, if any more people decide they think this legislation is a good idea or that their college could beat up someone else's college.

I laughed at that - not just a "lol" moment - but an actual audible chuckle.

[BlackpoolLights]

Annddd this has been an interesting thread to peruse.

Good Lord. *holds head in hands* I wish I could blame all of this guy's stupidity on the internet - but I can't. I have the feeling he'd be just as much of an idiot in person.

lib·er·al
adj.
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.con·ser·va·tive
adj.
Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.Please - someone explain to me how the word liberal got such a negative connotation attached to it. Cause I sure don't understand how. How in the living FUCK does "free from bigotry" mean a person is worse than someone who "tends to oppose change"????

I am a liberal, and proud of it. I am broad-minded, generous, and free from bigotry. I am definitely NOT opposed to change, cautious, or restrained.

I'm 19 years old, and this guy is immature enough to be half my age.

[Jason Tate]

Annddd this has been an interesting thread to peruse.

Good Lord. *holds head in hands* I wish I could blame all of this guy's stupidity on the internet - but I can't. I have the feeling he'd be just as much of an idiot in person.

lib·er·al
adj.

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.con·ser·va·tive
adj.

Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.Please - someone explain to me how the word liberal got such a negative connotation attached to it. Cause I sure don't understand how. How in the living FUCK does "free from bigotry" mean a person is worse than someone who "tends to oppose change"????

I am a liberal, and proud of it. I am broad-minded, generous, and free from bigotry. I am definitely NOT opposed to change, cautious, or restrained.

I'm 19 years old, and this guy is immature enough to be half my age.
I've yet to see an actual argument made in support of the draft (discussed in the linked article) plans. I am therefore led to believe he was actually an opponent of Bush who wanted to make Bushy supporters look bad.

[BlackpoolLights]

I've yet to see an actual argument made in support of the draft (discussed in the linked article) plans. I am therefore led to believe he was actually an opponent of Bush who wanted to make Bushy supporters look bad.

I wish I could agree; unfortunately, I think that is an overly optimistic viewpoint in this situation.

Bushy supporters don't need any help looking bad, in my experience...they do it very nicely for themselves.

[jawstheme417]

everyone chill...and watch some more important things going on in our court systems...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kOpbyJE4xxs&search=chapelle%20r.kelly

[Jason Tate]

everyone chill...and watch some more important things going on in our court systems...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kOpbyJE4xxs&search=chapelle%20r.kelly
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8112825559202389150

[goyoyofosoco]

R. Kelly pees on people. Even I know that.

[marchfaster]

i think im conservative fiscally/economically, but liberal socially.

i dont like having my rights taken away, and i used to think *during his first 4 years* bush wasn't that bad of a guy, he's kind of insane now...its sad.

i dont vote, and i dont support our two party system, can we get some third party appreciation here?

[sparksfly]

tate doesnt want to be called a liberal but yet so far his only two sources are americablog and the washington post. yeaaaaa those arent liberal at all. (sarcasm) americablog is so liberal they hate chris matthews. the way i see it, if you are scared of getting arrested and being put in one of these trials then what the fuck are you doing???? if you are innocent then you really shouldnt care. and i doubt they will be using this to arrest reporters like americablog cries about. keep on fighting the "good" fight tate. maybe after the liberals lose the next election they will actually move to canada instead of just threatening it but never following through.

I liked you when you supported me in the other post about the suicide hotline. Now you're just wrong and stupid. It's not even about being a liberal or not. This outright and clearly violates the Constitution.

Sorry, I didn't read all the posts. This just made me really angry.

[osunfg]

the Thought Police will take you away in your sleep and make you dissappear.

[theredline]

its threads like these that make me wish a nuclear war would start and it would all be over....

[goyoyofosoco]

its threads like these that make me wish a nuclear war would start and it would all be over....




That's kind of harsh, don't ya think?

[madcappunk]

Well Tate, if you're right about President Bush and about these laws, then you'll be arrested soon for posting such damn anti-American things on your website...

However, I sincerely doubt that will happen as the "average" and "innocent" American will never have to worry about such courts. My guess is that these are set up to prosecute people involved with funding terrorist organizations through back channels, etc.

[tcemoo]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8112825559202389150

that = scary.

[howdydoody]

http://mud.mm-a8.yimg.com/image/2910544859
EVERYBODY REPEAT AFTER ME: 2+2=5

[the blues]

Bush plan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101334.html) for military courts will expand their authority to include trials of people who aren't terrorists, no public or speedy trial, and crimes can be added at will.

other than the fact that you have jumped on the hip new rAwk aGaInST BusH bandwagon, your grammar is horrendous.

[Duke of Durham]

Wow.. long night?

It's obvious that the Bush administration is attempting to steer this country into a 1984-type world where dissidence is punished without judicial/governmental accountability. Regardless of whether or not this thing gets passed, it's frightening that an administration would even attempt such a thing. America was founded on "by the people, for the people" and it's pretty much become "by elitest tyrants in the pocket of lobbyists, for themselves and their main financial supporters". The people really have no say anymore. Rule is based on fear, a fear of change and a fear to give people who are different the freedoms they should be entitled to. We live in a nation that was founded on being critical of the ruling power. To ever make dissidence a crime in America is the utmost in hypocrisy.

I appreciate Tate feeling the need to bring the issue up because it really is an important one that concerns us all. Despite some peoples' reluctance to accept the truth over political bias, this is something that anyone, conservative and liberal, republican and democrat should be up in arms over.

I also appreciate the quote from V for Vendetta. Watching that movie really made me want to change things, although life easily overtakes any motivation I may have at the time. Seriously, though.. how do we change things? You'll always have people like our buddy who won't listen to reason and will blindly follow anything as long as it's linked to their respective party. How do we combat this? Does anyone have any real ideas?

And also.. hurray for Scrubs quotes!

[TylerDurden911]

Well, thank you guys for keeping me entertained.

Thank you xPaulWallx for being such an asshole, such an ignorant prick and retarded redneck I just couldn't believe what I was reading, yet couldn't stop laughing! And thanks to Bush & Co. for continually trying to get bills like that passed under the american people's noses. Keeps them on their toes, and it might just be enough to remind them how to vote next time around.

And Tate, keep posting those things, because that's FUCKING IMPORTANT STUFF to be aware of!

Oh, and listen to this guy, because he's right:

It's obvious that the Bush administration is attempting to steer this country into a 1984-type world where dissidence is punished without judicial/governmental accountability. Regardless of whether or not this thing gets passed, it's frightening that an administration would even attempt such a thing. America was founded on "by the people, for the people" and it's pretty much become "by elitest tyrants in the pocket of lobbyists, for themselves and their main financial supporters". The people really have no say anymore. Rule is based on fear, a fear of change and a fear to give people who are different the freedoms they should be entitled to. We live in a nation that was founded on being critical of the ruling power. To ever make dissidence a crime in America is the utmost in hypocrisy.

I appreciate Tate feeling the need to bring the issue up because it really is an important one that concerns us all. Despite some peoples' reluctance to accept the truth over political bias, this is something that anyone, conservative and liberal, republican and democrat should be up in arms over.

I also appreciate the quote from V for Vendetta. Watching that movie really made me want to change things, although life easily overtakes any motivation I may have at the time. Seriously, though.. how do we change things? You'll always have people like our buddy who won't listen to reason and will blindly follow anything as long as it's linked to their respective party. How do we combat this? Does anyone have any real ideas?

And also.. hurray for Scrubs quotes!

[Amplifried]

haha nice post. real intelligent with all the name calling and everything. i READ the article before my original post. and went to a better college than you. its called differing opinions. not everyone thinks like you. all i did was point out the fact that your sources are ALWAYS so liberal and in my opinion heavily biased. i doubt this thing even gets passed. you just love to stir up shit and its great that you are basically stating that anyone who disagrees with you on this is gonna get hated on by your all knowing and full of yourself ass. why even make the fuckin post then if people cant talk about it and discuss it? did you just want everyone to come in here and agree with you to make you feel better about yourself? or do you just wanna let everyone know how "bad" bush is, cause you dont think they can figure it out for themselves and make their own opinion? you're funny. and dont act like you are so intelligent and all knowing. ive seen you do this shit for years and its always the same thing, you link an article from a heavily liberal website and then act like its your own argument. you hardly ever say anything original and thats your own unless its calling someone a fucking asshole and a bunch of childish namecalling for someone thinking differently than you...i know its a lame comparison but you really do run your website like you think bush runs the country. hypocrite?

First of all, I'm ashamed that you saw Clerks II. To even think you could have shared the same movie theater as me is such a grave injustice, right up there with taking away people's CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED FUCKING RIGHTS. I know plenty of conservatives that I consider good friends, but this fucking "neo-con" mentality and your collective fucking existence is a our burden.

Secondly, I used to refer to my rooomate last year as "Hell's own Alex P. Keaton," but I think its alright if several people hold that title. He was a gigantic waste of space too. Please change your title from "Porch Monkey 4 Lyfe" to "Hell's own Alex P. Keaton." Thank you.

Oh wait, he's probably banned, isn't he? Hey you asswipes, why didn't anyone tell me Scrubs Season 4 is almost here. I need to know these things.

[tcemoo]

i'm tired of porch monkey jokes...

[rufiocardtime]

this site is so biased.

it's always one of the staff posting something about how all the atrocities that america commits somehow link back to the bush administration and then the staff calling everyone an idiot for arguing.

why don't we talk about something more important...

like the book "mere christianity" by c.s. lewis.

and then i can call everyone a fucking idiot who tries to argue anything written in the book.
or tell them to read the fucking book before they say anything bad about christianity.

oh wait, that'd be lame.

[splitsecond]

The Americablog point about pulling anyone off the streets to go to a military tribunal is flat out wrong. The Secretary has the authority under this proposal to add crimes chargeable to people already under the jurisdiction of the military court, not add crimes to put more people under its jurisdiction.

[Amplifried]

The Americablog point about pulling anyone off the streets to go to a military tribunal is flat out wrong. The Secretary has the authority under this proposal to add crimes chargeable to people already under the jurisdiction of the military court, not add crimes to put more people under its jurisdiction.

See the problem is that ultra-liberals are sensationalistic twats who think ever measure the Bush administration takes is going to send our country into an upheaval, while the conservatives are simply content with putting government on auto-pilot. They say moderates in either camp are just sitting on a fencepost, but to swear loyalty to either side just seems like blindfolding yourself while running at your opponent with a big fucking stick.

[Chevy114]

Nothing new they tried the usf professor here as a terriorist and they continually called him a member of alkada (SP?) and they finally just found him not guilty, but damage done.

[madcappunk]

pretty much once bush leaves office people on this site will have nothing to talk about.

what a glorious silence that will be.

[chicametipo]

If 50 Cent were here, he'd say, "Get 'em, Buck."




He's not. I am... So...
"Get 'em, Tate."



I'll jump in when I've been pissed off to the point of killing my buzz by thinking about "President" Monkeyface.
haha

[jcarbs]

See the problem is that ultra-liberals are sensationalistic twats who think ever measure the Bush administration takes is going to send our country into an upheaval, while the conservatives are simply content with putting government on auto-pilot. They say moderates in either camp are just sitting on a fencepost, but to swear loyalty to either side just seems like blindfolding yourself while running at your opponent with a big fucking stick.



well said first thing i've agreed with, although i dont know many people with a "fucking" stick...

[Jason Tate]

See the problem is that ultra-liberals are sensationalistic twats who think ever measure the Bush administration takes is going to send our country into an upheaval, while the conservatives are simply content with putting government on auto-pilot. They say moderates in either camp are just sitting on a fencepost, but to swear loyalty to either side just seems like blindfolding yourself while running at your opponent with a big fucking stick.

It's not that every measure is going to take the country into an "upheaval" (not even the right word, I'd love a good revolution), it's that the combination of all of them is taking away the very essence of what this country is. That's something conservatives in the past would be absolutely fucking pissed was happening.

[Jason Tate]

other than the fact that you have jumped on the hip new rAwk aGaInST BusH bandwagon, your grammar is horrendous.
What's the grammatical error in that post?

[Amplifried]

It's not that every measure is going to take the country into an "upheaval" (not even the right word, I'd love a good revolution), it's that the combination of all of them is taking away the very essence of what this country is. That's something conservatives in the past would be absolutely fucking pissed was happening.

Upheaval is not a synonym for revolution, and it is possible for radicals and revolutionaries to exist on the far-right too so long as their ideas drift far enough from the center. I don't understand the need for a semantic argument about the word. Besides, I agree that this measure the Bush administration is pretty unsettling, and that's not even mentioning some of the shit his administration has been trying to fuck with. I still won't call myself a liberal though. In my opinion that's as worthless as calling yourself "punk" or calling yourself "emo."

[Duke of Durham]

I don't think this is such a partisan issue. I feel that both parties are pretty much two different types of the same thing. Neither one is good for America because neither one is very different from the other. Yes, there are differing policies and beliefs, but both parties are part of the same system and are driven by the same pocket books.

I just feel that a system where you only have a chance of electing two parties isn't really a democracy at all. The people are still incredibly limited. There are two partisan entities that rarely ever work together outside of protecting mutual interests.

The main problem with the Bush administration is a problem that has been very real for a long time. The presidency is losing all credibility and respect. It's been doing so for a long time. At 21, I don't feel like I've ever known a president that I could really respect and that I felt was an exceptional statesman. The problem with Bush is that he's taken the downward trend in presidential respectability and rammed it through the ground. What Clinton and those before him accomplished for cheapening the oval office, Bush has magnified by a billion.

And the worst part is, it's hard to imagine anybody presently in a position to run for the office (with a chance of winning) who could really bring respect back to the office. And if there was, how would they get past a business-driven congress.

Is a revolution what we need? Perhaps. But would it just hurt more than help? I don't really know. I do believe that the American people need to open their eyes and take back their nation. Change won't occur from the top.. it's got to start in the streets.

And yes.. I voted for Nader, but I'm not even sure if he could handle the presidency if by some miracle he was elected. He would never get anything past Congress.

We just need a person who makes us proud to be American again. I love my country and don't you dare say I don't just because I'm a liberal (NOT a democrat). I don't support the war and I don't support the direction our nation is headed, but I do support our nation and its people. That's what a patriot is.

[Chris Fallon]

Man, this thread was a blast to read. That xPaulWallx dude has been, and always will be, a giant ass clown. His statements were one ridiculous post after another.

I am not "sucking Tate's dick," and just because he happens to be the dude who runs this site doesn't mean that when someone supports him, they just want to be cool with him simply for that fact.

I have never spoken with Jason, nor do I really know him. He seems like somebody I'd get along with, because most times, we have the same opinion, and from what I have gathered, I like him. If I happen to support his stance (and on this, I do 100%), that just means I'm following my own though. I'm not just saying I agree with him because he's the CEO, but maybe, just maybe, because I have a mind of my own and I don't go off on a fucking tangent about stupid shit that is basically just bitterness and pent-up angst.

That PaulWall dude gives Notre Dame a bad name. I want to watch Rudy and praise Joe Montana just to make me realize that Notre Dame does have some dignity and grace to it, and not just that fucking prick.