Gatsbys American Dream - Gatsbys American Dream

[Scott Weber]

Gatsbys American Dream – Gatsbys American Dream
Release Date: August 8th, 2006
Record Label: Fearless Records

Score (out of 10): [9.5]

Gatsbys American Dream’s new record reads something like an open letter to the music industry. It’s blunt, angry, and to the point. The disc might as well be a picture of a middle finger pointed directly at...well, you can put it together. The band’s 2006 follow-up to last year’s critically acclaimed release Volcano finds the band recreating their sound once again. The addition of keyboardist Kyle O’Quinn adds a new dynamic to the band, the production is far more raw, and backing vocals are now done by guitarist Bobby Darling and bass player Kirk Huffman instead of lead singer Nic Newsham. Nic's vocals are far more aggressive on this record, as it conveys more raw emotion than ever before. Gatsbys seems to have completely strayed away from the slower, methodically technical side that popularized the band on 2003’s Ribbons and Sugar. Instead, this self-titled release offers up songs that are generally faster-paced and contain a groove vibe to them. Many of the songs flow with incredible bass lines and gang vocals that make this the most danceable Gatsbys record yet.

The main concern from listeners will be how this record compares to Volcano. Is it a let down? The answer is no. It’s just different. The band chose to produce this record with no autotune on vocals, no extra effects, just straight tracking of only what they could achieve in their live show. The result may antagonize some, but it fits the message of the record, which is one that preaches the sanctity of music and having integrity, as demonstrated by “The White Mountains.” Besides the actual sound of the record, the main difference is lyrics. The band takes obvious and extremely blunt shots at booking agents and record labels in “Badd Beat” and “Shadow of the Colossus.” Old school fans will appreciate the irony in lines like “We got your contracts, we got your art – and you can strum as fast as you like.” Gatsbys American Dream has returned with a swagger on a quest for musical integrity, and they achieve that message on this record. The band attacks just about everybody they’ve ever been wronged by, claiming that “we’re all just the bottom line.” It’s not about the music – it’s about the money.

This release sounds vastly different than other Gatsbys releases. Coupled with the raw sound are alternating vocals, which provides variety as well as makes songs more memorable. Bobby and Kirk both have great voices as well as Nic. The keyboard parts, while awkwardly placed in a few songs, add a brand new dynamic to the band and allow their sound to be more expansive than ever. The song writing is faster than anything the band has done since 2002’s Why We Fight. That being said, this album is still very distinctly Gatsbys American Dream. The instrumentation is unbelievable. Ripping guitar parts and technical tempo changes permeate multiple songs, jaw-dropping drum parts are prevalent, and dancing bass lines make this the most fun Gatsbys album to date. If you loved “A Mind of Metal and Wheels” on Volcano, then you will fall in love with about 8 other songs on this record.

The band also continues to make allusions to previous records. “Filthy Beasts” refers back to the Lost Monsters EP with references to dinosaurs while containing the catchiest chorus of the album. This record does contain multiple choruses, but the presentation of them isn’t like other bands. The verses are so greatly varied that the choruses are more like reoccurring themes instead. That being said, this is probably the most predictable Gatsbys album to date. But, there are still songs like “Margaritas and Cock” and “My Name is Ozymandias” remain unpredictable and change direction time and time again.

The album finishes with “The White Mountains,” which speaks of how music is the one thing that we have in our lives that can remain pure, it’s an art form that should be untouched – yet people still try to change it. The White Mountain is a utopia in which the band can retreat to and make “the music that we breathe.” It’s a fitting end to a record that calls out every single person who has ever wronged them and tried to change who they are.

Gatsbys American Dream has recreated their sound once again for an outstanding album. There are a few flaws with this record, but they are insignificant. The keyboard parts are awkwardly placed and mixed at times. The production is mostly raw, but the drum parts have far too much glisten and gleam to them to fit with the rest of the production. “Station 5: The Pearl” has a somewhat annoying chorus. Then again, picking flaws in a Gatsbys American Dream album is like picking out flaws in a diamond. This is one of the strongest records of the year, lyrically and musically. This album does take longer to understand and get into than the band’s other work. People may be put off by the message and sound, but once you get over the transition, it is sweet. After all, this is Gatsbys American Dream, and they’re going to make the music that they want. Don’t try and change it, or you might end up in one of the band’s next songs.

[btbam > you]

there's no way it's even close to that good.

[ddizio]

i love this album soo much...definitely my favorite album by gad..."the white mountains" is by far my favorite song

[memento mori]

so i'm pretty excited for this to come out now.

[Jason Tate]

Wish I agreed. But from a purely objective view-point there is no way in hell the vocals or production can have those scores. That's all I'm going to say.

[btbam > you]

Wish I agreed. But from a purely objective view-point there is no way in hell the vocals or production can have those scores. That's all I'm going to say.

i agree with you on the vocals 100%

[TJ Wells]

I didn't like it at all the first time I heard it. I'm liking it more each time. Guess it's a grower. By the way, the end of "My Name Is Ozymandias" sounds strangely like "Barbie Girl" by Aqua.

[gonfreaks]

Although I know a few people were disappointed with the new album, I love it. I just can't stop listening to it. This'll definitely make my top 10 of the year, easially. "Filthy Beast" is so damn catchy that it was on repeat for a little while. As I said before, I love this album, and I was not let down at all.

[fromwithin]

there's no way it's even close to that good.


hahaha exactly. you know how much bias there is though.

[mo0ink]

awesome review. took me a while to get into it but i can't stop spinning this cd. i can't wait till saturday :) i'll be sure to take some pics for you haha. the first track is my favorite just because its so goddamn catchy.

[LostSymphonies]

what a biased point of view, leave it to scott to give this album a 9.5..*sigh*

[Scott Weber]

hahaha exactly. you know how much bias there is though.
Yeah, because as a reviewer I'm not allowed to have opinions or bands that I like, right?

[Fat Kid Running]

Sick review.. I don't think i can wait 5 more days..

[Scott Weber]

what a biased point of view, leave it to scott to give this album a 9.5..*sigh*
see above. *rolls eyes*

[jaimej]

Love it. I love the message this album brings, the way it was done, everything. <3

Oh, and http://ponch.hautetfort.com/images/medium_no_fear.jpg

kylan ftw!

[fromwithin]

Yeah, because as a reviewer I'm not allowed to have opinions or bands that I like, right?

well you could go into it with some objectivity at least:

"Then again, picking flaws in a Gatsbys American Dream album is like picking out flaws in a diamond"

lets get real here.

[Mitch]

I will say the only other album I've heard by them is Volcano.

While I don't really like either CD too much, I think I like this new one more than Volcano because of the lack of studio effects and all that crap.

[rus_t]

scott, they just don't understand.

[btbam > you]

well you could go into it with some objectivity at least:

"Then again, picking flaws in a Gatsbys American Dream album is like picking out flaws in a diamond"

lets get real here.

hahahahahaha

[Jason Tate]

Love it. I love the message this album brings, the way it was done, everything. <3

Oh, and http://ponch.hautetfort.com/images/medium_no_fear.jpg

kylan ftw!
The message? If I was a HXC fan of this band, or had anything to do with their career, I'd be fucking pissed at the message in this album. Hahaha.

[xllirikx]

ugh, i can't wait.

[fromwithin]

hahahahahaha

I'm sure another staff member will review this album so we can have an objective opinion of it. Saves the Day is my favorite band but I dont think everything they do is perfect 10's and 9.5's.

[btbam > you]

I'm sure another staff member will review this album so we can have an objective opinion of it. Saves the Day is my favorite band but I dont think everything they do is perfect 10's and 9.5's.

same. i would never even think about giving every less than jake record an 9.5 or better. that's just ridiculous. no band is perfect.

[Jared Kaufman]

This album has grown on me a lot, but I think if I was a diehardcore fan I'd be pretty offended.

EDIT: I see Jason agrees with me.

[ddizio]

I didn't like it at all the first time I heard it. I'm liking it more each time. Guess it's a grower. By the way, the end of "My Name Is Ozymandias" sounds strangely like "Barbie Girl" by Aqua.

definitely a grower...each time i listen it gets better and better...haha i noticed that familiar tune roughly in there at the end of "my name is ozymandias" but i couldnt piece it together

[SLADE775]

Scott is to GAD what I am to MAE.

Nothing wrong with that.

A 10 on vocals is simply though Scott.

(don't even roll your eyes at me either)

[fromwithin]

same. i would never even think about giving every less than jake record an 9.5 or better. that's just ridiculous. no band is perfect.

youre wrong adam GATSBYS AMERICAN DREAM IS!

[jaimej]

The message is against the industry, not the fans. For the majority of Gatsbys fans it really is ALL about the music.

[Jason Tate]

How the F has everyone heard this album already? Piss...I gotta wait until the 8th...
Baaaad little music pirates.

I wish James Paul Wisner would produce one of their CDs again - Ribbons and Sugar is still their best album.

[Scott Weber]

I'm sure another staff member will review this album so we can have an objective opinion of it. Saves the Day is my favorite band but I dont think everything they do is perfect 10's and 9.5's.
I don't either. Lost Monsters EP by Gatsbys is an 8.5 at best for me.

[Jason Tate]

The message is against the industry, not the fans. For the majority of Gatsbys fans it really is ALL about the music.
Haha, you should listen to some of the lyrics again and see what they're actually saying, and how it applies to fans.

I'm not going to get into it - but - yeah.

[[Mike]]

Love this CD.

[Scott Weber]

The message is against the industry, not the fans. For the majority of Gatsbys fans it really is ALL about the music.
Yeah, I don't see why hardcore fans would be pissed off at this.

[Ryan Imhof]

I can't stand the vocals on this album.. good review though.

[fromwithin]

I don't either. Lost Monsters EP by Gatsbys is an 8.5 at best for me.

Well then your statement about Gatsby's and Diamonds doesn't add up too well. Maybe they ARE human after all, or were I guess. Now theyre superheroes.

[SLADE775]

hahahaha

I'm still laughing at the 10 on vocals score....

Come on Scott, lets be serious though.

[Jared Kaufman]

Haha, you should listen to some of the lyrics again and see what they're actually saying, and how it applies to fans.

I'm not going to get into it - but - yeah.

Yeah, I don't see why hardcore fans would be pissed off at this.
All the talk about how naive the kids are...

[fromwithin]

I think the ONLY record that would get a 10 on vocals is How to Start a Fire.

[Scott Weber]

All the talk about how naive the kids are...
So? They are. The message is to open their eyes about how fucked up the music industry has been to them and how it's not all rock star partying every night - they're starving artists like everyone else. the hardcore fans understand that it's always been about the music to gatsbys anyways.

[xTJx]

Meh...

[kg00d]

Aweful CD IMO.

[Scott Weber]

hahahaha

I'm still laughing at the 10 on vocals score....

Come on Scott, lets be serious though.
Do you want me to respond to this? It's an opinion. I love how raw Nic's vocals are on this. I would take GAD vocals over Mae any day of the week. Everglow is a 6/10 at best. See how easy opinions are? Write your own review.

Moving on...

[Scott Weber]

Aweful CD IMO.
That must mean it's really good if it's "aweful."

[LostSymphonies]

i want this album reviewed by every staff member on AP.net, just for shits and giggles (and a realistic score)

[weworemasks]

there's no way it's even close to that good.
k. opinions.

haha Tate just beat your ass with that comment
and you just licked his with yours.


i can't wait to hear this record. i didn't download the leak, im waiting till the 8th.
and i love nic's vocals. his stage presence and his style make him a better frontman than 90% of other frontmen that i've seen./

[fromwithin]

So? They are. The message is to open their eyes about how fucked up the music industry has been to them and how it's not all rock star partying every night - they're starving artists like everyone else. the hardcore fans understand that it's always been about the music to gatsbys anyways.

wow. just......wow.

[Jared Kaufman]

So? They are. The message is to open their eyes about how fucked up the music industry has been to them and how it's not all rock star partying every night - they're starving artists like everyone else. the hardcore fans understand that it's always been about the music to gatsbys anyways.
I'm sure that anyone that likes or listens to Gatsbys knows that; shoot, GAD has told them that in all of their music/songs/albums.

[btbam > you]

Meh...

hahahahaha @ your banner

[Jason Tate]

So? They are. The message is to open their eyes about how fucked up the music industry has been to them and how it's not all rock star partying every night - they're starving artists like everyone else. the hardcore fans understand that it's always been about the music to gatsbys anyways.
But doesn't that not work if you say "it's all about the music" IN the music? That kind of makes it not all about the music, in a twisted "double-negative" kind of way, doesn't it?

The music industry is fucked up to everybody, but if someone pays to promote a tour and you "take their guarantee because we booked the tour" - isn't that .. I dunno, stealing!?

[RomeoAGoGo]

Really good review. You hit the nail on the head perfectly.

I personally love the album, just because it's Gatsbys and everything they put out is terrific, but it is taking a few more listens to get into then their previous stuff. I'm sure it will sink in perfectly soon.

[xTJx]

hahahahaha @ your banner

ilu2

[Jason Tate]

Do you want me to respond to this? It's an opinion. I love how raw Nic's vocals are on this. I would take GAD vocals over Mae any day of the week. Everglow is a 6/10 at best. See how easy opinions are? Write your own review.

Moving on...
Raw vocals do not make good vocals though. Just because you love his vocals, doesn't mean they're good. I mean, I fucking can't stand artists or the tone of some people's voices, but I can tell when they're at least singing correctly and breathing correctly in the songs they sing.

[Scott Weber]

I'm sure that anyone that likes or listens to Gatsbys knows that; shoot, GAD has told them that in all of their music/songs/albums.
And by all songs you mean like 2 songs, on Lost Monsters Ep, right?

[kg00d]

That must mean it's really good if it's "aweful."

Meant to say Awful, it happens. Anyways your entitled to your opinion, thats cool. I just don't like it. I would have left the comment to myself if the score wasn't so high. 10 on vocals? I wouldnt even rate my top CD this year that high let alone vocals.

[zizou1790]

Overrated

[xTJx]

Meant to say Awful, it happens. Anyways your entitled to your opinion, thats cool. I just don't like it. I would have left the comment to myself if the score wasn't so high. 10 on vocals? I wouldnt even rate my top CD this year that high let alone vocals.

I wouldn't rate anything on this cd higher than a 7.5

[Scott Weber]

But doesn't that not work if you say "it's all about the music" IN the music? That kind of makes it not all about the music, in a twisted "double-negative" kind of way, doesn't it?

The music industry is fucked up to everybody, but if someone pays to promote a tour and you "take their guarantee because we booked the tour" - isn't that .. I dunno, stealing!?
What? the first half of Badd Beat is written from the booking agents point of view. It's about the agents stealing from the band....

[fromwithin]

I wouldn't rate anything on this cd higher than a 7.5

This is AP though, land of the high scoring reviews.

[xTJx]

This is AP though, land of the high scoring reviews.

Riiight...oops

[Scott Weber]

Raw vocals do not make good vocals though. Just because you love his vocals, doesn't mean they're good. I mean, I fucking can't stand artists or the tone of some people's voices, but I can tell when they're at least singing correctly and breathing correctly in the songs they sing.
Yeah but dude, just because you love The Spill Canvas doesn't mean they're good either - to me. That's all I'm saying. We have different tastes...that's going to reflected in reviews. I'll take raw, innovative vocals over straight forward singing any day.

[Moatilliatta085]

you guys should make a site-wide poll of who people think has the best voices (male).
But anyway, I haven't listened to this, but Scott says it's kinda like A Mind of Metal and Wheels....and that's my favorite song in Volcano...so yeah.

[Jason Tate]

Yeah but dude, just because you love The Spill Canvas doesn't mean they're good either - to me. That's all I'm saying. We have different tastes...that's going to reflected in reviews. I'll take raw, innovative vocals over straight forward singing any day.
But even I don't think Nick has a 10 on the vocal scale, he breathes correctly and hits the right notes, but his scale and range aren't what'd I consider to be "top" vocal work.

[Jason Tate]

you guys should make a site-wide poll of who people think has the best voices (male).
But anyway, I haven't listened to this, but Scott says it's kinda like A Mind of Metal and Wheels....and that's my favorite song in Volcano...so yeah.
Ever? Or in the scene?

[Jared Kaufman]

Yeah but dude, just because you love The Spill Canvas doesn't mean they're good either - to me. That's all I'm saying. We have different tastes...that's going to reflected in reviews. I'll take raw, innovative vocals over straight forward singing any day.
www.myspace.com/clapyourhandssayyeah

[Scott Weber]

Meant to say Awful, it happens. Anyways your entitled to your opinion, thats cool. I just don't like it. I would have left the comment to myself if the score wasn't so high. 10 on vocals? I wouldnt even rate my top CD this year that high let alone vocals.
And that's fine guys, everyone can disagree, it's just a review - it's not universal truth. This is just a representation of my take on the album. I found the moneen CD to be awesome for about a week and then completely die on me, judging from the banner in your sig I'm sure you disagree, but that's OK. This isn't that big a deal.

[GDSP]

For the vocals thing...
Its not like 10's can only go to people who have 'technically' perfect voices. Sure, Clay Aiken can hit every note perfectly, but I don't wanna hear that. And it would be stupid to review a Bob Dylan cd and give a '6' because he doesn't stay on key all of the time. There are more important things that make a rock vocalist good. The Hold Steady and Art Brut would get a 10 from me, and they don't even really sing at all.

[Domenic182]

I see the world in a swirl of 9.5's...

[jaimej]

Haha, you should listen to some of the lyrics again and see what they're actually saying, and how it applies to fans.

I'm not going to get into it - but - yeah.
It's their honest opinions and the way they feel. They're just not sugar coating it with themes and metaphors in this record. In no way are they disrespecting their fans.

[Jason Tate]

What? the first half of Badd Beat is written from the booking agents point of view. It's about the agents stealing from the band....
Well, if were really "all about the music" - then wouldn't they stfu about it and write music they love instead of allow outside sources/influences to effect what their songs are about?

[kg00d]

And that's fine guys, everyone can disagree, it's just a review - it's not universal truth. This is just a representation of my take on the album. I found the moneen CD to be awesome for about a week and then completely die on me, judging from the banner in your sig I'm sure you disagree, but that's OK. This isn't that big a deal.

Ya it's my favourite CD this year, again your entitled to love it or hate it. All I wanted to point out was that personally I don't think this record is 9.5/10 material. With that being said if you feel that it deserves that score then I'm all for it.

[fromwithin]

I see on Heroine you gave the vocals a 7, so in your opinion he's in the top 30% of the vocalists in the scene today.

[VeloriumCamper]

whoa. almost perfect? ehhh.

[Jason Tate]

For the vocals thing...
Its not like 10's can only go to people who have 'technically' perfect voices. Sure, Clay Aiken can hit every note perfectly, but I don't wanna hear that. And it would be stupid to review a Bob Dylan cd and give a '6' because he doesn't stay on key all of the time. There are more important things that make a rock vocalist good. The Hold Steady and Art Brut would get a 10 from me, and they don't even really sing at all.
I agree that just because someone's technically perfect doesn't mean they're "great" and all that (Max Bemis is the perfect example - I love his vocals, and they're obnoxious) - but I don't think someone that doens't even use a few of the basics a rudimentary vocal coach will teach you, can hit a 10 on a vocal scale. I like Nic's vocals, I'd give them a 7.6 probably - but a 10 just seems so out there for vocals. I think I gave one 10 in vocals this year - to Morrissey. Eh. Whatever. All subjective anyway - I just still fail to see the vocals and production being a 10.

[Moatilliatta085]

Ever? Or in the scene?

I figured if I said in "the scene" ppl would jump at my throat and tell me to define it or whatever...but yeah.
Besides..if it were just any singer, you could include an opera singer and whatnot...so yeah...only in the scene

[Scott Weber]

I see on Heroine you gave the vocals a 7, so in your opinion he's in the top 30% of the vocalists in the scene today.
Uh, review scales aren't direct translations to percentages.

[fromwithin]

what the fuck?

so scotts SCORE is a little biased. but at least he wrote a lengthy review stating WHY he gave a 9.5.

with that, you fucking dipshits wouldn't score one of your favorite bands that high (8.5+) if you loved the cd? sounds stupid to me.

tate....instead of cutting the record down in such a subtle way, why don't you write a review? i'd love to read it.

thats why I said I hoped another staffer was going to give a review so we could hear an objective opinion.

dipshit.

[Jason Tate]

Even though Scott and Jason are cyberslapping each other like a couple of funtards right now, I just wanted to put this out there: Scott's review of Gatsby's American Dream's "Volcano" and Jason's review of Say Anything's "Is a Real Boy" are THE two best reviews I have ever read. So I give you both mad props, and equally respect your opinions.
I just don't get the vocals/production 10s .. I am completely fine with everything else Scott's said in this review. It's HIS take on the album and that's 100% fine. I just was curious how from an objective viewpoint those scores came about.

[Scott Weber]

Well, if were really "all about the music" - then wouldn't they stfu about it and write music they love instead of allow outside sources/influences to effect what their songs are about?
Yeah, if they wanted to play it safe...but the band has never shied away from anything, and people keep telling them to change their music - they people that put out their albums - and so instead they choose to write the music they love anyways and blast the people that oppose them lyrically. I think that's cool. The music is still the same.

[Jason Tate]

what the fuck?

so scotts SCORE is a little biased. but at least he wrote a lengthy review stating WHY he gave a 9.5.

with that, you fucking dipshits wouldn't score one of your favorite bands that high (8.5+) if you loved the cd? sounds stupid to me.

tate....instead of cutting the record down in such a subtle way, why don't you write a review? i'd love to read it.
I did write a review of this album in the staff forum. My staff told me I couldn't post it.

[Scott Weber]

I agree that just because someone's technically perfect doesn't mean they're "great" and all that (Max Bemis is the perfect example - I love his vocals, and they're obnoxious) - but I don't think someone that doens't even use a few of the basics a rudimentary vocal coach will teach you, can hit a 10 on a vocal scale. I like Nic's vocals, I'd give them a 7.6 probably - but a 10 just seems so out there for vocals. I think I gave one 10 in vocals this year - to Morrissey. Eh. Whatever. All subjective anyway - I just still fail to see the vocals and production being a 10.
Production got an 8.5 Jason.

[fromwithin]

I did write a review of this album in the staff forum. My staff told me I couldn't post it.

why not.

[GDSP]

I agree that just because someone's technically perfect doesn't mean they're "great" and all that (Max Bemis is the perfect example - I love his vocals, and they're obnoxious) - but I don't think someone that doens't even use a few of the basics a rudimentary vocal coach will teach you, can hit a 10 on a vocal scale. I like Nic's vocals, I'd give them a 7.6 probably - but a 10 just seems so out there for vocals. I think I gave one 10 in vocals this year - to Morrissey. Eh. Whatever. All subjective anyway - I just still fail to see the vocals and production being a 10.

Morrissey is a perfect example. He does everything that would drive most rock singer's crazy. While everyone else is doing an Eddie Vedder impersonation, he has this annoying, breathiness that sounds really lame out of context. But he's a GREAT vocalist. I'm not saying Gatsbys has an equal vocalist, but it seems like everyone's standard for good singing is kind of retarded. I mean, do we really wanna hear everyone sounding like Scott Stapp?

[weworemasks]

I did write a review of this album in the staff forum. My staff told me I couldn't post it.
please post it. is it too blunt? i could care less. i really wanna read it.

[Jason Tate]

Yeah, if they wanted to play it safe...but the band has never shied away from anything, and people keep telling them to change their music - they people that put out their albums - and so instead they choose to write the music they love anyways and blast the people that oppose them lyrically. I think that's cool. The music is still the same.
And to me, music is not just the instrumentals - music is the lyrics. And you don't have to shy away from something to just ignore it - and not let it get under your skin to the point where it becomes the focal point of your entire body of work.

On "is a real boy" there are songs about the music industry - but the way it's done, is just different, I'm not even sure people get it.

Again, I'm not arguing this point with you - it's fine what they did - I just think it becomes a sort of double negative and when it becomes the reason for making music is to bash the music industry/people that have been trying to help them. I mean - they can't argue they're completely a DIY band here ...

[Scott Weber]

Somebody PLEASE explain to me how this is a "biased" opinion. Please. I love the album, that's my opinion. Every review is biased because it's the reviewers opinion. Every review that gets a high score from somebody who loves the band is "biased." That's dumb. If this were my brother's band, then it would be biased...

[GDSP]

We dont believe you kids are so naive
To think that things could change
Cause nothing ever changes in the real world

Now... follow me for just a sec, but is it possible that maybe that line is sarcastic?

[Jason Tate]

Production got an 8.5 Jason.
Eh, guess it did - still too high. I thought I saw it as a 10. Weird.

[Dandy!]

Well, if were really "all about the music" - then wouldn't they stfu about it and write music they love instead of allow outside sources/influences to effect what their songs are about?

No, you taint. It's called emotions. it's called being changed by something so raw and real. They've been dicked over, like most bands. It's their statement. It's when something like art being torn to shreds get's so huge, they have to say something. And with music being the best thing around, they formed it into an album. You're reasoning for shutting this band down is stupid.

Nic's vocals aren't a ten, I'll admit it. But with NOT using autotune and sounding amazing, he does at least get an 8.5. Simply put, I can't think of any other singers off the top of my head with THAT much emotion and abilities backing them up. He delivers the lyrics in a genius way. Nic Newsham is Nic Newsham, you can't tear that down

[TBSowns524]

i remember scott said he was gonna get shit for this review, and boy was he right. W/e, it's a good review and i still can't wait to pick it up this album/hear it on tuesday

[Dandy!]

Now... follow me for just a sec, but is it possible that maybe that line is sarcastic?

Sarcasm? What the hell is sarcasm? Are you a witch?

[TJ Wells]

This may be the most civil discussion ever on AP.net.

[Scott Weber]

No, you taint. It's called emotions. it's called being changed by something so raw and real. They've been dicked over, like most bands. It's their statement. It's when something like art being torn to shreds get's so huge, they have to say something. And with music being the best thing around, they formed it into an album. You're reasoning for shutting this band down is stupid.

Nic's vocals aren't a ten, I'll admit it. But with NOT using autotune and sounding amazing, he does at least get an 8.5. Simply put, I can't think of any other singers off the top of my head with THAT much emotion and abilities backing them up. He delivers the lyrics in a genius way. Nic Newsham is Nic Newsham, you can't tear that down
The vocals on this record are much, much, much more than just Nic though.

[weworemasks]

Somebody PLEASE explain to me how this is a "biased" opinion. Please. I love the album, that's my opinion. Every review is biased because it's the reviewers opinion. Every review that gets a high score from somebody who loves the band is "biased." That's dumb. If this were my brother's band, then it would be biased...
im on your side, considering my status as a GAD fan, but the reason it is biased, is because you know GAD on a personal level, heard the record way before it was even finished, etc. that's the only reason i think it's biased, because as far as i'm concerned, your score is cool with me if you back it up.

just like tate's PERFECT SCORE OF VHEISSU. vheissu was an incredible record, but i would pesonally give it an 8.5-8.75. it works the same way. i just don't see how you are getting so much shit for a fucking opinion.

[Jason Tate]

why not.

Cause it was a joke.

please post it. is it too blunt? i could care less. i really wanna read it.

I may write one. But it's not as scathing as you people obviously think. I like the CD, it'd get a 7.2 or something from me probably over all. That's a better than average score - I don't know why everyone goes nutso on me and thinks I hate this band when I question a few things. My word.

No, you taint. It's called emotions. it's called being changed by something so raw and real. They've been dicked over, like most bands. It's their statement. It's when something like art being torn to shreds get's so huge, they have to say something. And with music being the best thing around, they formed it into an album. You're reasoning for shutting this band down is stupid.

Nic's vocals aren't a ten, I'll admit it. But with NOT using autotune and sounding amazing, he does at least get an 8.5. Simply put, I can't think of any other singers off the top of my head with THAT much emotion and abilities backing them up. He delivers the lyrics in a genius way. Nic Newsham is Nic Newsham, you can't tear that down

I'm not shutting this band down - wtf? My word. I understand emotions and needing to say something - but I also think that it becomes almost a moot point and hypocritical the way it comes across. That's all.

Will from Cartel didn't use any autotune on the lead vocals on Chroma (minus the effects on 'A'). I'd give those vocals a 10.

[TBSowns524]

Jason, I have a question for you. Last year, you were really high on GAD, but recently you seemed to be not necessarily negative, but less positive. You seem to think they're gonna breakup and I guess you don't care for this album. I'm trying to ask this in a respectful way, but did something happen between you and them that caused you hold a grudge, or is it you simply don't like their new direction/album?

[jaimej]

I did write a review of this album in the staff forum. My staff told me I couldn't post it.
Ooooh I haven't read that yet. Going now.

[Jason Tate]

Ooooh I haven't read that yet. Going now.
Hahaha .. I think it's in some random thread. It's not really a review. Hahaha.

[weworemasks]

I may write one. But it's not as scathing as you people obviously think. I like the CD, it'd get a 7.2 or something from me probably over all. That's a better than average score - I don't know why everyone goes nutso on me and thinks I hate this band when I question a few things. My word.


Will from Cartel didn't use any autotune on the lead vocals on Chroma (minus the effects on 'A'). I'd give those vocals a 10.

a 7.2 is pretty good considering what you've been saying in the thread.

and in my opinion will's vocals on chroma are good, but just because he doesn't use autotune doesnt give it a 10. some songs on that cd are equivalent to backstreet boy's singles in some cases (honestly, say anything) dont get all pissed off, its an opinion.

[jaimej]

Hahaha .. I think it's in some random thread. It's not really a review. Hahaha.
Oh boooooooo. I was really excited to read it!

[buysoap]

This album is really great, and your review is good as well, Scott, despite what people may be saying about how stereotypical it is for you to love this band. Everyone should love this band. This is an amazing band that makes amazing music and I personally love the new CD. I rock out to it almost 24/7, and when I need something to do, I'll put on "My Name Is Ozymandias" and rock out to it on the guitar.

The only thing, however, that I'm dissapointed by in this album is the subject. I mean... we all knew Gatsby was pissed off at the music industry and how people looked at their music etc.... that's the In The Land Of Lost Monsters EP and the song, "The Dragon Of Pendor" (The songs are uninspired/ Where's the fucking chorus?/Here it is/But you can't fuck with my integrity). I was kind of hoping for another crazy concept album like Volcano, especially after the War Of The Worlds cover was released.

Also, I found it pretty funny that there were a ton of choruses on this CD.

[Jason Tate]

It's because they didn't care that he was "THE Jason Tate"

omg theatre so good lol
What the fuck is wrong with you?

And where is that post? I can't find it. I'll respond here.

TBSowns524[/B]] Jason, I have a question for you. Last year, you were really high on GAD, but recently you seemed to be not necessarily negative, but less positive. You seem to think they're gonna breakup and I guess you don't care for this album. I'm trying to ask this in a respectful way, but did something happen between you and them that caused you hold a grudge, or is it you simply don't like their new direction/album?

Because I still LOVE Volcano, still think they're a great band, I just don't think this album is that good in comparison for a few things. I don't think they're gonna break up - I think they're gonna go on hiatus for a little while. I think the album is OK, that's it - people think just because I don't gaga over something that I hate it. That's fucking stupid. I don't hate this band, I don't hate this CD, I just think it's above average. What does bug me is the people that think the band is changing the music landscape (die hard GAD fans), that shit is annoying - I think Brand New and Say Anything (and maybe Thrice) are the only bands I'd give that kind of "genius" credit to. So, more than anything, I'm trying to pick apart the argument for GAD to be in that list and figure out why people think it.

[Jason Tate]

a 7.2 is pretty good considering what you've been saying in the thread.

and in my opinion will's vocals on chroma are good, but just because he doesn't use autotune doesnt give it a 10. some songs on that cd are equivalent to backstreet boy's singles in some cases (honestly, say anything) dont get all pissed off, its an opinion.
What the songs are or how they sound have absolutely nothing to do with the vocal talent. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

And what have I been saying in this thread? Please, show me how fucking horrible I've been to this band in this thread - I'd love to see it. Just because you're reading things into my words, doesn't fucking mean that's what I'm really saying.

[bobbo8]

Yes Scott Yes!

[btbam > you]

What the songs are or how they sound have absolutely nothing to do with the vocal talent. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

And what have I been saying in this thread? Please, show me how fucking horrible I've been to this band in this thread - I'd love to see it. Just because you're reading things into my words, doesn't fucking mean that's what I'm really saying.

get used to it. that's how talking to this kid is.

[fedhed7]

This album was such a let down.

To me, vocals make or break songs. Nic of course has a great voice, and I understand that they were going for the raw, unproduced sound, but in this case it hurt them. It's boring, and their statement fails to make a major impact.

[Dan CiTi]

So I guess it won't be Jason's quote on the sticker for this one?
I'd love to see that best singers in the scene poll too.

[meeotch]

today is august 3rd, and my local best buy had this. i thought it wasnt released until the 8th?

[Jared Kaufman]

This album was such a let down.

To me, vocals make or break songs. Nic of course has a great voice, and I understand that they were going for the raw, unproduced sound, but in this case it hurt them. It's boring, and their statement fails to make a major impact.
time for an avatar change.

[Jason Tate]

So I guess it won't be Jason's quote on the sticker for this one?
I'd love to see that best singers in the scene poll too.
:shrugs:

[Jason Tate]

Anyway, instead of people jumping down my throat for things I'M NOT SAYING - how about you all go download the Lakes EP - for FREE (http://www.absolutepunk.net/artists/showlink.php?do=showdetails&l=3107).

Thanks for playing.

[youareallfreaks]

meh, this album hasn't really "stuck" yet, but i'm not giving up. hopefully it will grow on me.

[xhellalujahx]

I asked someone else this in another thread towards the beginning of last month here, and didn't really get a detailed response, but since Jason is going to drop the "genius" label on them - what's so great about Say Anything?

I love this CD. It's a little bit overrated here, but that's to be expected. I'd probably give it about an eight. Tracks 5-6-7 are a great three punch combo.

[btbam > you]

Anyway, instead of people jumping down my throat for things I'M NOT SAYING - how about you all go download the Lakes EP - for FREE (http://www.absolutepunk.net/artists/showlink.php?do=showdetails&l=3107).

Thanks for playing.

when you click on download it says "This ID doesn't exist!"

[Scott Weber]

im on your side, considering my status as a GAD fan, but the reason it is biased, is because you know GAD on a personal level, heard the record way before it was even finished, etc. that's the only reason i think it's biased, because as far as i'm concerned, your score is cool with me if you back it up.

just like tate's PERFECT SCORE OF VHEISSU. vheissu was an incredible record, but i would pesonally give it an 8.5-8.75. it works the same way. i just don't see how you are getting so much shit for a fucking opinion.
I was a Gatsbys fan wayyy before I knew the band. I didn't get to know them until right around when Volcano came out. *shrug*

[moises_naruto]

ribbons and sugars > volcano > gastbys

[fedhed7]

time for an avatar change.Yeah....

[Jason Tate]

I asked someone else this in another thread towards the beginning of last month here, and didn't really get a detailed response, but since Jason is going to drop the "genius" label on them - what's so great about Say Anything?

I love this CD. It's a little bit overrated here, but that's to be expected. I'd probably give it about an eight. Tracks 5-6-7 are a great three punch combo.
You mean, what's NOT so great about Say Anything.

[Jason Tate]

I was a Gatsbys fan wayyy before I knew the band. I didn't get to know them until right around when Volcano came out. *shrug*
You went to highschool with Nic!

[Jason Tate]

when you click on download it says "This ID doesn't exist!"
Shitty. Stupid website.

[xhellalujahx]

You mean, what's NOT so great about Say Anything.

Well, now I'm convinced!

[Scott Weber]

a lot of fans that only like Volcano are not going to get this. That's fine. People that have followed the band's entire career will understand this record more.

[sevenfat]

gatsby's owns nuff said who cares if it doesn't have sellout overproduction, if you can get an mindblowing sound with mediocre producing you get a 10 in my book

[Scott Weber]

You went to highschool with Nic!
Nic went to my high school and transferred out when he was 17. He was 2 grade above me. I rode the bus with him like twice. We weren't friends, I didn't even know the guy when I was 15.

[dubey]

I was actually looking forward to reading this review.

Then I saw the 9.5

So I didn't.

[Jason Tate]

a lot of fans that only like Volcano are not going to get this. That's fine. People that have followed the band's entire career will understand this record more.
.. and in my opinion .. be let down that they didn't do something else with the immense talent and creativity they've already proved to have.

[btbam > you]

Shitty. Stupid website.

it worked now. thanks for fixing it.

[Jason Tate]

Well, now I'm convinced!
Convinced of what? You didn't ask to be "convinced" of anything.

[fedhed7]

Hahah what the hell Scott.

[jaimej]

Hahah what the hell Scott.
Hahahahahaha ilu. :wink:

[Scott Weber]

Hahah what the hell Scott.
what?

[fedhed7]

Hahahahahaha ilu. :wink:You!

[preppyak]

Shitty. Stupid website. haha...link worked for me...listening now

Oh, fuck yea...I didn't even realize the Watashi Wa/Eager Seas side project was callled Lakes...now I am super pumped for it

[fedhed7]

what?Nothing, Jaime changed my avatar.

[jaimej]

Nothing, Jaime changed my avatar.
You wanna know something funny, I really almost put Phantoms on there and photoshopped RIP on it or something, but I saw that picture and laughed so it was a go.

[unwritten]

This album definitely grew on me.

[ihatemusic]

.......I mean - they can't argue they're completely a DIY band here ...

Listen, I read ap.net everyday. I love this site and get most of my music news from here. But this is the first time I've read something in a Gatsbys post that has pissed me off to the point of posting. My name is Billy, and I'm Gatsbys tour manager. I'm also Bobby's brother. Tate, I don't care if you like the band or not. I actually love how you and stir it up whenever someone brings up Gatsbys. It's rad that kids can come here and talk music and actually have something to be a part of. I wish I had something like this when I was younger. But for you to question the band's business practices/DIY attitude, is out of line man. Gatsbys has been and will always be an independent band. That's what we stand for and how we live. That's why the guys started the band. Now I could sit here and argue this fact, or tell you to ask any band/person we've dealt with in a business sense how we fuction, but that's not necessary. I'm involved in almost 100% of the decisions Gatsbys makes, so essentially this is straight from the horses mouth. Please don't question our level of DIY-ness or whatever you want to call it. Cuz for once, Tate, this isn't a perception or opion thing. You're just plain wrong.
Besides that I love the debating.
Later.

[fedhed7]

You wanna know something funny, I really almost put Phantoms on there and photoshopped RIP on it or something, but I saw that picture and laughed so it was a go.RIP Acceptance.

[ksc82186]

Convinced of what? You didn't ask to be "convinced" of anything.
So... Jason, How's the new Matches album?

[ihatemusic]

.......I mean - they can't argue they're completely a DIY band here ...

Listen, I read ap.net everyday. I love this site and get most of my music news from here. But this is the first time I've read something in a Gatsbys post that has pissed me off to the point of posting. My name is Billy, and I'm Gatsbys tour manager. I'm also Bobby's brother. Tate, I don't care if you like the band or not. I actually love how you and stir it up whenever someone brings up Gatsbys. It's rad that kids can come here and talk music and actually have something to be a part of. I wish I had something like this when I was younger. But for you to question the band's business practices/DIY attitude, is out of line man. Gatsbys has been and will always be an independent band. That's what we stand for and how we live. That's why the guys started the band. Now I could sit here and argue this fact, or tell you to ask any band/person we've dealt with in a business sense how we fuction, but that's not necessary. I'm involved in almost 100% of the decisions Gatsbys makes, so essentially this is straight from the horses mouth. Please don't question our level of DIY-ness or whatever you want to call it. Cuz for once, Tate, this isn't a perception or opinon thing. You're just plain wrong.
Besides that I love the debating.
Later.

[OveriseFan]

Even still...Gatsby's American Dream is tied with Say Anything for the title of Most Amazing Band in the World.

:shake:

[preppyak]

Listen, I read ap.net everyday. I love this site and get most of my music news from here. But this is the first time I've read something in a Gatsbys post that has pissed me off to the point of posting. My name is Billy, and I'm Gatsbys tour manager. I'm also Bobby's brother. Tate, I don't care if you like the band or not. I actually love how you and stir it up whenever someone brings up Gatsbys. It's rad that kids can come here and talk music and actually have something to be a part of. I wish I had something like this when I was younger. But for you to question the band's business practices/DIY attitude, is out of line man. Gatsbys has been and will always be an independent band. That's what we stand for and how we live. That's why the guys started the band. Now I could sit here and argue this fact, or tell you to ask any band/person we've dealt with in a business sense how we fuction, but that's not necessary. I'm involved in almost 100% of the decisions Gatsbys makes, so essentially this is straight from the horses mouth. Please don't question our level of DIY-ness or whatever you want to call it. Cuz for once, Tate, this isn't a perception or opion thing. You're just plain wrong.
Besides that I love the debating.
Later.
hahaha...this is going to end poorly for somebody...especially when Tate wasn't even really ripping the band at all (he even said the album was above average...it's not like he called you CIWWAF)

[siimpx]

this cd is okay...but 9.5's & 10's? come onnnn.

[preppyak]

this cd is okay...but 9.5's & 10's? come onnnn. fuck...your sig hurts my sig's pride...

oh well, he'll probably just write another lovelorn album about it

[Katie Schmitz]

I think it's an amazing cd. I love it.

[rus_t]

Brand New, Say Anything, and Thrice are all amazing but I think over time Gatsbys will have made a far bigger contribution to rock music than all of those bands. Yes. Jesse Lacey and Max Bemis are genius song writers and poets....but what have they done to push the boundaries on a musical level (not lyrical)? I don't know if you are a musician, Jason, but Gatsbys' chord progressions are like nothing that's ever been written and are in every way light years ahead of those bands. On top of that, they are progressive, switching time and playing in odd time signatures which is something that many other bands have done...but I have never heard it done as smoothly and flawlessly as Gatsbys. But most importantly, the are just so damn catchy and when they can do it in such an original manner...how could you not say that they will have a huge impact on the music to come?..... just look at This Providence and Forgive Durden. They are taking blatant nods from GAD. It's happening.

[rus_t]

Listen, I read ap.net everyday. I love this site and get most of my music news from here. But this is the first time I've read something in a Gatsbys post that has pissed me off to the point of posting. My name is Billy, and I'm Gatsbys tour manager. I'm also Bobby's brother. Tate, I don't care if you like the band or not. I actually love how you and stir it up whenever someone brings up Gatsbys. It's rad that kids can come here and talk music and actually have something to be a part of. I wish I had something like this when I was younger. But for you to question the band's business practices/DIY attitude, is out of line man. Gatsbys has been and will always be an independent band. That's what we stand for and how we live. That's why the guys started the band. Now I could sit here and argue this fact, or tell you to ask any band/person we've dealt with in a business sense how we fuction, but that's not necessary. I'm involved in almost 100% of the decisions Gatsbys makes, so essentially this is straight from the horses mouth. Please don't question our level of DIY-ness or whatever you want to call it. Cuz for once, Tate, this isn't a perception or opinon thing. You're just plain wrong.
Besides that I love the debating.
Later.

If that's really Billy, that is awesome... but would his name really be "ihatemusic" with a "tom delonge" subtitle....?

[kevanu]

Billy Darling Owns Poopman

[Scott Weber]

If that's really Billy, that is awesome... but would his name really be "ihatemusic" with a "tom delonge" subtitle....?
that's billy.

[RomeoAGoGo]

I just still fail to see the vocals and production being a 10.

That's because the production was rated as an 8.5

[vegasbabyvegas]

This record rules. Best band of our time.

[Everiggs]

I'm so excited.

[Jason Tate]

Listen, I read ap.net everyday. I love this site and get most of my music news from here. But this is the first time I've read something in a Gatsbys post that has pissed me off to the point of posting. My name is Billy, and I'm Gatsbys tour manager. I'm also Bobby's brother. Tate, I don't care if you like the band or not. I actually love how you and stir it up whenever someone brings up Gatsbys. It's rad that kids can come here and talk music and actually have something to be a part of. I wish I had something like this when I was younger. But for you to question the band's business practices/DIY attitude, is out of line man. Gatsbys has been and will always be an independent band. That's what we stand for and how we live. That's why the guys started the band. Now I could sit here and argue this fact, or tell you to ask any band/person we've dealt with in a business sense how we fuction, but that's not necessary. I'm involved in almost 100% of the decisions Gatsbys makes, so essentially this is straight from the horses mouth. Please don't question our level of DIY-ness or whatever you want to call it. Cuz for once, Tate, this isn't a perception or opinon thing. You're just plain wrong.
Besides that I love the debating.
Later.

Who paid for the tour support? Who paid for recording? Who paid for merch? Who designed the merch? Who did the artwork? Who pressed the CD? Who packaged the albums? Who runs the marketing?

Do you even know what DIY - in the ACTUAL MEANING of the word and where it came from - means? I'll question it all I want, but you can't call yourself completely 100% DIY (which is the comment I made) when a record label is buying ads for you. Sorry bucko. You should learn about the history of the word, and look at what I ACTUALLY said before you fucking spout your mouth off.

[allisterkid]

This could get dirty.

[TBSowns524]

And where is that post? I can't find it. I'll respond here.



Because I still LOVE Volcano, still think they're a great band, I just don't think this album is that good in comparison for a few things. I don't think they're gonna break up - I think they're gonna go on hiatus for a little while. I think the album is OK, that's it - people think just because I don't gaga over something that I hate it. That's fucking stupid. I don't hate this band, I don't hate this CD, I just think it's above average. What does bug me is the people that think the band is changing the music landscape (die hard GAD fans), that shit is annoying - I think Brand New and Say Anything (and maybe Thrice) are the only bands I'd give that kind of "genius" credit to. So, more than anything, I'm trying to pick apart the argument for GAD to be in that list and figure out why people think it.

ya i have no idea what happened to my original post and thanks for answering my question

[gonz]

Filthy Beasts is one of the more annoying songs I've heard this year but I like most of the rest of the album. I think the album and the band are finally growing on me.

[Jason Tate]

This could get dirty.
Whatever. Claiming to be DIY is like claiming to be Punk - if you do it, you're not it.

[kevanu]

Who paid for the tour support? Who paid for recording? Who paid for merch? Who designed the merch? Who did the artwork? Who pressed the CD? Who packaged the albums? Who runs the marketing?

Do you even know what DIY - in the ACTUAL MEANING of the word and where it came from - means? I'll question it all I want, but you can't call yourself completely 100% DIY (which is the comment I made) when a record label is buying ads for you. Sorry bucko. You should learn about the history of the word, and look at what I ACTUALLY said before you fucking spout your mouth off.

Kirk designs all the merch. His girlfriend even made the tote bags they sold on previous tours themselves. If that isn't DIY i don't know what is. The artwork was rendered by a friend of the band who worked on Half-Life2, . OF COURSE THE LABEL IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE FUCKING ADVERTISING AND STUDIO TIME , WE KNOW THIS (ITS THEIR JOB TO SELL RECORDS). Do you think they're gonna burn cds and pass them out at the lemonade stand or something? You're trying to nitpick for the sake of it. You're the one who needs to get your shit straight before YOU spout your mouth off. "Hey im Jason Tate, i like to stir shit up! I'm so fucking brilliant"

[buysoap]

Whatever. Claiming to be DIY is like claiming to be Punk - if you do it, you're not it.

so..... hmm.... if i claim to be an obnoxious self obsessed misogynistic anti-semitic racist DIY punk, then i'm none of those things right? because if that's the case then i've finally got a way to get the NAACP, the jewish anti-defamation league, and NOW off my back.

[Jason Tate]

Kirk designs all the merch. His girlfriend even made the tote bags they sold on previous tours themselves. If that isn't DIY i don't know what is. The artwork was rendered by a friend of the band who worked on Half-Life2, . OF COURSE THE LABEL IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE FUCKING ADVERTISING AND STUDIO TIME , WE KNOW THIS (ITS THEIR JOB TO SELL RECORDS). Do you think they're gonna burn cds and pass them out at the lemonade stand or something? You're trying to nitpick for the sake of it. You're the one who needs to get your shit straight before YOU spout your mouth off. "Hey im Jason Tate, i like to stir shit up! I'm so fucking brilliant"
No, I'm saying that if you're going to make a fucking DIY claim, KNOW WHAT IT FUCKING MEANS. And having a label behind you - and then bitching about it - does NOT MAKE YOU DIY. The actual term, and where it originated from, and the actual DIY bands, are rolling in their fucking graves at this shit. I'm not nitpicking ANYTHING, I'm saying - know what the term is and what it means before you claim to be it (thereby ruining any chance of actually being it). That's all. I never said they didn't have some DIY attitudes, I never said they didn't do a LOT of it themselves, but I DID SAY THEY ARE NOT COMPLETLY 100% DIY. That's it. My God you people drive me fucking crazy sometimes.

[newfoundnorcal]

i'm not reading all of this, but had scott given gatsbys a lower score, the readers would have thought the album was even lower than what he scored it. scott is put in a weird position with this review because no matter what he says, no one will agree because he has been pinpointed as the gatsbys fanboy. everyone expected him to give it a 9 or a 10, had it been lower everyone would have said something to the effect of, "wow, scott didn't give it a 9-10, it must be HORRIBLE."

[Scott Weber]

i'm not reading all of this, but had scott given gatsbys a lower score, the readers would have thought the album was even lower than what he scored it. scott is put in a weird position with this review because no matter what he says, no one will agree because he has been pinpointed as the gatsbys fanboy. everyone expected him to give it a 9 or a 10, had it been lower everyone would have said something to the effect of, "wow, scott didn't give it a 9-10, it must be HORRIBLE."
this is very true... i want people to disconnect me personally from the review.

it's about the music, it's not about me.

[corybarker]

i am i the only one who isn't blowing loads all over this record?

gamd just doesn't do it for me.

[Jason Tate]

i'm not reading all of this, but had scott given gatsbys a lower score, the readers would have thought the album was even lower than what he scored it. scott is put in a weird position with this review because no matter what he says, no one will agree because he has been pinpointed as the gatsbys fanboy. everyone expected him to give it a 9 or a 10, had it been lower everyone would have said something to the effect of, "wow, scott didn't give it a 9-10, it must be HORRIBLE."
Just wait till I review Brand New - it's gonna make this bitchfest seem like Christmas.

[kevanu]

No, I'm saying that if you're going to make a fucking DIY claim, KNOW WHAT IT FUCKING MEANS. And having a label behind you - and then bitching about it - does NOT MAKE YOU DIY. The actual term, and where it originated from, and the actual DIY bands, are rolling in their fucking graves at this shit. I'm not nitpicking ANYTHING, I'm saying - know what the term is and what it means before you claim to be it (thereby ruining any chance of actually being it). That's all. I never said they didn't have some DIY attitudes, I never said they didn't do a LOT of it themselves, but I DID SAY THEY ARE NOT COMPLETLY 100% DIY. That's it. My God you people drive me fucking crazy sometimes.

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[Romancebled]

This album is so incredible. I will definitely be picking it up when it comes out.

[TJ Wells]

I don't know about GAD's DIY status, but a true example of real DIY is Never Heard Of It. Those guys are amazing.

[newfoundnorcal]

Just wait till I review Brand New - it's gonna make this bitchfest seem like Christmas.
yeah, and the thing is that's not what AP is supposed to be about, you know? it should be about respecting people's opinions or discussing opinions, not just blatantly bashing them personally and then ripping apart their reviews. i don't understand why everyone is bitching so much about one review. there are plenty of other forums on AP where they can showcase their own opinions. someone doesn't like scott's review? fine. they should write their own. ANYONE can write a review. anyone can make a thread in general about this album. anyone can start a journal and write their own review. you picked scott to work here because he's a good writer and good at what he does. someone mentioned this in a different thread- reviewers all review with some bias.

this is very true... i want people to disconnect me personally from the review.

it's about the music, it's not about me.
yeah, i really just don't get it.

[GDSP]

Is Gatsbys putting up all of those posters advertising their new album at the chain reaction? Is gatsbys buying ad space in Alternative Press? Is Gatsbys buying banner space on absolutpunk.net? Did Gatsbys pay for the commercial I just saw for their new record on Fuse? Why would this band ever claim to be DIY just because someone in the band's sister designed a tote bag once? How is this band any more DIY than any other band on a medium-sized indie label? Geez, these guys are acting like they should get a lifetime achievement award from Fugazi because they toured in a van for a couple years.

[Brandon Allin]

Wonderful review, Scott.

[newfoundnorcal]

why are we debating gatsbys DIY status?

get the fuck over it and listen to the album.

[ihatemusic]

Who paid for the tour support? Who paid for recording? Who paid for merch? Who designed the merch? Who did the artwork? Who pressed the CD? Who packaged the albums? Who runs the marketing?

Do you even know what DIY - in the ACTUAL MEANING of the word and where it came from - means? I'll question it all I want, but you can't call yourself completely 100% DIY (which is the comment I made) when a record label is buying ads for you. Sorry bucko. You should learn about the history of the word, and look at what I ACTUALLY said before you fucking spout your mouth off.

The tone of this seems really mad. I'm not trying to spout off or antagonize or anything. I'm of the mindset that you and AP.net have done so much for Gatsbys that you have a right to say most anything you want about Gatsbys. You've earned it. AP.net has been the biggest and best thing to happen to the band as far as a media outlet goes. This goes for a lot of my friends' bands too. You guys help us out so much. Most places don't give two shits about the scene that we're all involved in but you guys shape it and create it.
It's just as far as DIY goes, it just hits home cuz I live this. 24 hours a day. The decisions this band has made and does make shapes the way my life is lived. It's more than a job. You know what I mean. I live where I live, have the relationships I have, and so on because of Gatsbys. The big question is "how come they aren't bigger? why haven't they broke?" Well it's because it was decided early on to keep it inside of a small group of people and keep the band real. We have a definite idependent way of working.
Maybe I misunderstood what you said. You're right. We aren't 100% DIY. But I never said we were. I said we are independent. We stand on our own feet. Gatsbys is one of the realest bands around. It's not an act.
I'm sorry if you got mad, or I misunderstood. I just think with all the things to question out there you don't need to question our DIY mentality. That's that. You can say all you want about the music cuz its laid out and packaged for you. It's handed to you complete so you can dig through it and decide. But you know a small percentage of what goes on behind the scenes. Just like I know a small ammount of what goes on with you man and wouldn't be able to question it.
So to end it, you're right about not being 100% DIY. But as far as the lyrics on that cd go, Gatsbys has enough "DIY points" to say each and every line on that album. That's all I was saying Tate.

[Web250]

Great review Scott

[DroppedUrPocket]

Loud Noises!!!

[sean omerta]

Seriously, I love the album. I love Gatsby. This review is way biased... Honestly, I don't think Scott should have reviewed this alone. :) I wouldn't have let myself review it either.

[gonz]

Loud Noises!!!

bahahaha that was the perfect post for this thread. I hope everyone gets it.

[buysoap]

Loud Noises!!!

what good timing, i was just watching 40 year old virgin!

[noddysocks]

god stop bitching. whether about gats being diy or how much scotts review sucks/rocks.

then again, its what we do.

[GAD_guy]

Ribbons and Sugar is still their best album.

absolutely.

[westsidas2000]

better than volcano minus the vocals. They aren't as crisp and the other instruments seem to overtake it a little.

[trustworthy]

i absolutely love this album. for some reason i'd still rather listen to volcano or ri/su, but when i do listen to this album i can't get enough of it. the songs on the selftitled are better than the songs on volcano i think, i just don't like the way they sound as much? i don't think that made any sense but i just had my wisdom teeth out and i'm on insane amounts of medication, i'm excused.

but i digress.

i love this album.

[xPaulWallx]

Somebody PLEASE explain to me how this is a "biased" opinion. Please. I love the album, that's my opinion. Every review is biased because it's the reviewers opinion. Every review that gets a high score from somebody who loves the band is "biased." That's dumb. If this were my brother's band, then it would be biased...
tate doesnt like it when people dont see shit the same way as him. theres your answer. the review is fine and tate really just needs to post his own review if hes so upset about yours and feels the need to argue with you about it on here.

[xPaulWallx]

Kirk designs all the merch. His girlfriend even made the tote bags they sold on previous tours themselves. If that isn't DIY i don't know what is. The artwork was rendered by a friend of the band who worked on Half-Life2, . OF COURSE THE LABEL IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE FUCKING ADVERTISING AND STUDIO TIME , WE KNOW THIS (ITS THEIR JOB TO SELL RECORDS). Do you think they're gonna burn cds and pass them out at the lemonade stand or something? You're trying to nitpick for the sake of it. You're the one who needs to get your shit straight before YOU spout your mouth off. "Hey im Jason Tate, i like to stir shit up! I'm so fucking brilliant"

i agree.

[xPaulWallx]

i'm not reading all of this, but had scott given gatsbys a lower score, the readers would have thought the album was even lower than what he scored it. scott is put in a weird position with this review because no matter what he says, no one will agree because he has been pinpointed as the gatsbys fanboy. everyone expected him to give it a 9 or a 10, had it been lower everyone would have said something to the effect of, "wow, scott didn't give it a 9-10, it must be HORRIBLE."

so fuckin true.

[whyte39]

i wonder how many angels have died with this thread.

[Jason Tate]

tate doesnt like it when people dont see shit the same way as him. theres your answer. the review is fine and tate really just needs to post his own review if hes so upset about yours and feels the need to argue with you about it on here.
What? The best part is Scott's not talking about me, at all, you're a fucking idiot when you're awake and not stoned too.

[dretti]

Weber gives GAD a good review? No Way!!!!

[ilovebsb]

WOW! THIS IS NUTS! i never thought this review would get this much drama and this many posts. haha its only a dam review. i feel bad for this dude for getting ripped apart because of it.

[FUCKDIRTYWIPES]

this cd rocks, their best work....great review

[druck]

All the talk about how naive the kids are...I can't believe everyone thinks they're talking shit about their fans in Badd Beat. Look at the lyrics:The point is even though everything knows,
We treat the bands like shit and nobody has the guts to speak out.
Cause they're afraid that they won't get the tours at the end of the day.

You fucking kids, you've gotta learn the golden rules.
You gotta use who you can on your way to the middle.
You only give a favor for a favor in return.
You get burned if you turn your other cheek.

We don't believe you kids are so naive to think that things could change
Cause nothing ever changes in the real world,Sounds to me like they're talking about other bands that are up and coming and trying to get tours booked. They're basically saying what they should do, don't give favors without a favor in return because you will get royally fucked, etc. How is everyone seeing this as a bad thing? I think it's good advice..

[ilovebsb]

This is great publicity for the band. well at least for those who dont have the album yet and are wondering what the hell everyone is talking about :) but until i have the chance to check out these controversial lyrics about the music industry i think i'll go listen to rufios' song "pirate" because its such a great song :)

[corybarker]

this site is nuts. 'nough said.

[yeknom]

no sane person would give the vocals on this album a 10.

[yeknom]

no sane person would give the vocals on this album a 10.
thats just your opinion.

[yeknom]

thats just your opinion.
well, yes...yes it is.

[carramrod2005]

gatsby is the BEST band there is and this cd does nothing more then reasure that statement! great review!

[rus_t]

no sane person would give the vocals on this album a 10.

I haven't heard the album yet but i would give Nic a 10 based off of the other albums and seeing him live 5 times. He's one of the most talented singers in the genre. (I'm a voice performance major by the way) I would probably put Jason Gleason and maybe Anthony Green ahead of him though but Nic's tone is just amazing. Also, Kirk is such a great singer too and could easily be the lead singer in another band.

[yeknom]

I haven't heard the album yet but i would give Nic a 10 based off of the other albums and seeing him live 5 times. He's one of the most talented singers in the genre. (I'm a voice performance major by the way) I would probably put Jason Gleason and maybe Anthony Green ahead of him though but Nic's tone is just amazing. Also, Kirk is such a great singer too and could easily be the lead singer in another band.
you're wrong.

[Scott Weber]

I haven't heard the album yet but i would give Nic a 10 based off of the other albums and seeing him live 5 times. He's one of the most talented singers in the genre. (I'm a voice performance major by the way) I would probably put Jason Gleason and maybe Anthony Green ahead of him though but Nic's tone is just amazing. Also, Kirk is such a great singer too and could easily be the lead singer in another band.
www.purevolume.com/kaykayandhisweatheredunderground

maybe kirk already is ;)

[yeknom]

the vocals are better on the other albums though.

[Scott Weber]

the vocals are better on the other albums though.
not really. loren isreal, head of A&R for capitol records for 10 years, has commented to me before about how outstanding Nic's voice is.

[yeknom]

not really. loren isreal, head of A&R for capitol records for 10 years, has commented to me before about how outstanding Nic's voice is.
ok, in Scott Weber talk: In my opinion, the vocals are weaker on the new album; I wouldn't say they are bad, but they are nowhere near perfect, which a score of 10 supposes.

[Steve Henderson]

not really. loren isreal, head of A&R for capitol records for 10 years, has commented to me before about how outstanding Nic's voice is.Yikes, he produced Run Doris Run, though :)

[Steve Henderson]

PS - will this be the most-read review ever? It is HUGE already!

[RomeoAGoGo]

bottom line - this thread is a waste of space

the review itself was excellent and talked about the record very concisely. scott even talked about flaws the album had. everyone is getting bent out of shape over some trivial numbers. like +1 or -1 here and there makes a huge difference. get over yourselves. seriously.

every review is biased, that's the essence of reviewing. the only reason people are crying about this is because it got an exceptionally awesome score. everyone needs to stop talking about biased reviews like it's some crazy phenomenon.

[Cue the Sun]

excellent review, scott

[emiliodelgado]

people who think scott put the score that high because he's biased should go eat a chode.

[fluke182]

k. opinions.


and you just licked his with yours.


i can't wait to hear this record. i didn't download the leak, im waiting till the 8th.
and i love nic's vocals. his stage presence and his style make him a better frontman than 90% of other frontmen that i've seen./
The only frontman I like more is Kenny Bridges from Moneen, or the former lead singer of Suburban Legends...in terms of presence.

This used to be epic, as per usal for my posts. But here it is - Cliff's Notes style. Gatsby's own. Scott's opinion is Scott's opinion, keep your "omg he's biased" posts out of here because it's useless. He admitted to being biased because he loves Gatsby's, whom many others do also. Quit proving Forrest from Hellogoodbye right about users here. That is all.

[fluke182]

bottom line - this thread is a waste of space

the review itself was excellent and talked about the record very concisely. scott even talked about flaws the album had. everyone is getting bent out of shape over some trivial numbers. like +1 or -1 here and there makes a huge difference. get over yourselves. seriously.

every review is biased, that's the essence of reviewing. the only reason people are crying about this is because it got an exceptionally awesome score. everyone needs to stop talking about biased reviews like it's some crazy phenomenon.
I like the way you say things. Teach me your concise methods at making a point. You said essentially what I was trying to say in significantly less words.

[emiliodelgado]

Forrest is right.
no offense

[buysoap]

bottom line - this thread is a waste of space

t...every review is biased...

The review of my foot up your ass wont be biased, you punk bitch!!!!!!

yeah, there really is no point to me saying that. im just fucking bored.

[lightcollapse]

fantastic review scott. shit, it kind of made me like the album. i keep giving it more chances now.

and, if a reviewer feels strongly about an album, he or she should give it very high scores to get people to buy it. not mediocre to appease the bitches who pick apart every word you write.

[emiliodelgado]

hey dont talk about the almighty like that

[1000shadesofred]

there's no way it's even close to that good.

lyrically this album is not even close to past albums... horrible review cause it is completely bias

[emiliodelgado]

Weber gives GAD a good review? No Way!!!!
lol youre so funny. you must eat tons of chodes. amirite?

[jpgretzky15]

i dont get what was so great about volcano either...sorry guys haha

[buried_]

That must mean it's really good if it's "aweful."

hahaha Scotty boy this is why i love you so much. Employ me maybe?
I love Gatsby's American Dream. I think everyone should always type out or write their full name and not use the letters "GAD". This is my biased opinion.

[emiliodelgado]

my biased opinion is that you're writing it wrong. no apostrophe.

[WheresTheChorus]

nothing really to say about the baby mama drama

but uh..

go gatsby's yay
can't wait until tues...

[Jason Tate]

my biased opinion is that you're writing is wrong. no apostrophe.
Says the dude with the wrong "your" - well done.

:appl:

This thread has gone to hell.

[emiliodelgado]

Whatever. Claiming to be DIY is like claiming to be Punk - if you do it, you're not it.

so you are telling me that NOFX is not punk?MxPx is not punk? what about Bad Religion? They all have said they are punk. Does that make them not punk?

Hell even fucking Green Day qualifies for this.
your mentality on the music scene is incredibly ridiculous, imo.

[emiliodelgado]

Says the dude with the wrong "your" - well done.

:appl:

This thread has gone to hell.

HAHAHAHAH OH GOD.
i hope you were kidding.

[Jason Tate]

HAHAHAHAH OH GOD.
i hope you were kidding.
You edited your thread after I commented - that's not cool.

[Jason Tate]

so you are telling me that NOFX is not punk?MxPx is not punk? what about Bad Religion? They all have said they are punk. Does that make them not punk?

Hell even fucking Green Day qualifies for this.
your mentality on the music scene is incredibly ridiculous, imo.
You obviously can't put this one together - can you? Fucking A. You're about to get banned for being an idiot.

[emiliodelgado]

You edited your thread after I commented - that's not cool.


lol you're pathetic.

[Jason Tate]

lol you're pathetic.
You got it right that time at least.

[emiliodelgado]

lolzzz. gtfo......

*get the fuck out.

incase you dont know.
i cant say i blame you though. if i had as much power as you have of this board. i'd mistreat it as well.

[Jason Tate]

lolzzz. gtfo......

*get the fuck out.

incase you dont know.
i cant say i blame you though. if i had as much power as you have of this board. i'd mistreat it as well.
What are you talking about? You're off the deep end.

[emiliodelgado]

oh noes
trying to set me up was pretty childish d00d

[lightcollapse]

oh noes
trying to set me up was pretty childish d00d

just to let you know, you're sounding like a dumbass right now.

[emiliodelgado]

just to let you know, you're sounding like a dumbass right now.

stfu.

this is what happened.
i said the first post about my biased opinion correctly
then tate quoted me and changed it to is and said that i used the wrong "your" which in the sentence I originally wrote was the correct one. then he accused me of editing my post after he corrected me.

[emiliodelgado]

racial slurs are funny most of the time. you should try that.

[FallToGlory]

Fable changed my life.

World of Warcraft changed my life. Actually, it ruined my life, and now I have no friends.
Wait, were we even talking about video games, or did I mix up that reference?

[FallToGlory]

um...

...i was kidding

[allisterkid]

Damn I scanned all the replies for Tate's reply to Billy and there never was one. :(

[emiliodelgado]

thats because billy was the better man in the duel.

[xPaulWallx]

Damn I scanned all the replies for Tate's reply to Billy and there never was one. :(

pussssssssyyyyyyy!

[Jason Tate]

Damn I scanned all the replies for Tate's reply to Billy and there never was one. :(
Because we actually talked via PM. Not everything is as dramatic as you (and the republican asshat) think it is.

[TheBaroness]

I don't get what all the brouhaha is over this album. I think it's just as good as Volcano, if not better.

[allisterkid]

Because we actually talked via PM. Not everything is as dramatic as you (and the republican asshat) think it is.

Hey I've supported this site for a long time, and am not about to say anything against the way you run it, but you should be one to talk about dramatic. He comes here and commends you for your website and then defends his band and you absoluteley freak out on him. It's tough for anyone to come here and state anythign without being slaughtered for it by you.

[a hybrid]

Its always pleasing to come to this site and see that the heads of office are completely ignorant.

You really are so naive.

[Riki]

Wish I agreed. But from a purely objective view-point there is no way in hell the vocals or production can have those scores. That's all I'm going to say.

Surely it depends on if you are rating production in terms of clarity or how it aids the album. For example production on "The Bronx" is fucking awful, but it aids the flow of the album. I kinda like the murky untuned sound, it gives the album or more rough feel, which i think was their point? (I assume they had a big enough budget to produce it cleanly if they wanted to.

[[Brendan]]

This entire thread reaks of Swines (If you know what I mean). Its funny when someone here says something negative about GAD that Kevin guy sends his minions/livestock over here to post a bunch of belligerent crap. It's all pretty pathetic really (and this is coming from someone who likes GAD).





Oh and in case you don't know what I'm talking about.
http://snickerattheswine.com/img/layout/logo.gif

[dictatortot]

I can't believe everyone thinks they're talking shit about their fans in Badd Beat. Look at the lyrics:

The point is even though everything knows,
We treat the bands like shit and nobody has the guts to speak out.
Cause they're afraid that they won't get the tours at the end of the day.

You fucking kids, you've gotta learn the golden rules.
You gotta use who you can on your way to the middle.
You only give a favor for a favor in return.
You get burned if you turn your other cheek.

We don't believe you kids are so naive to think that things could change
Cause nothing ever changes in the real world,
Sounds to me like they're talking about other bands that are up and coming and trying to get tours booked. They're basically saying what they should do, don't give favors without a favor in return because you will get royally fucked, etc. How is everyone seeing this as a bad thing? I think it's good advice..
Just proof that people are listening to this only once or twice and running their mouths. I assure you that you can't possibly get a grasp on this album with one or two listens. So you heard "You kids are so naive" when the instruments cut out and finally thought you understood what they were talking about... good work. I can't really blame you though, you were probably distracted by the awesome and completely innovative instrumentals. Hey, I was on the first listen as well. It is however cute that Nic said "kids" and you kids assumed he was talking about you. Maybe the reason so many people have a problem with the review is because you haven't really listened to it. Oh and if I see one more person who says "I'd give it a 7 max" whose favorite albums include something by NFG... I'm going to burn this motherfucker down.

Good work Scott.

[dictatortot]

oh and i'm betting the dear hunter's ep will be the next great release that goes widely misunderstood (musically more so than lyrically, although who knows?)

[TBSowns524]

Just wait till I review Brand New - it's gonna make this bitchfest seem like Christmas.


hahaha i can't wait

[i2ockbotm]

When there is little to no objectivity in an album review, maybe it shouldn't be advertised as an AbsolutePunk.net 'official'. Just make it a journal or something.

[YourMusicSucks]

This was a wonderful review.

I didn't know they were going for a more "raw" sound. I hope it doesn't ruin it.

[RomeoAGoGo]

The review of my foot up your ass wont be biased, you punk bitch!!!!!!

yeah, there really is no point to me saying that. im just fucking bored.

lawl!!

[evannn]

at first when i heard this cd i was like.. ehh.. i really liked all their other stuff..

then the more i listened to it, i realized it really doesn't sound too different from the other discs.

i love the lyrics so much, probably primarily because i am a musician and can take them to heart.

the one thing that is a little annoying is the production.. it has a little too much high end, mainly noticable in the cymbols and it cuts right through me sometimes.. it isn't horrible though.. i like the keyboards

[a speedo model]

i'd like to hear this...