johnny depp is overrated [Archive]

bard

03/19/10, 06:02 PM

i was talking about how great johnny depp is the other day, then i looked at his filmography.

i only liked 6 of his films.

i then realized that it's been quite some time since he has even been in anything remotely good.

when is he going to start making good films again?

Gaugzilla

03/19/10, 06:07 PM

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bard

03/19/10, 06:15 PM

i'm just saying that he is revered as one of the greatest actors of this generation, but in the last two decade, maybe 1/4 of the films he is in are widely considered great.

KellyGleason

03/19/10, 06:17 PM

I actually think he's a great actor. Can't say I find him attractive in the least, though..

drudo182

03/19/10, 06:29 PM

I just watched A Nightmare On Elm Street.

kaycey

03/19/10, 06:41 PM

he's captain jack sprarrow. if i knew nothing else about him that would be enough.

Wake Up

03/19/10, 06:42 PM

This thread is pretty deep.

Full Effect Ed

03/19/10, 06:44 PM

Man's got talent, but I don't need to tell anyone that. If you honestly think he's overrated then it's obvious you haven't seen Blow, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, or Ed Wood.

/thread

xcloud66x

03/19/10, 07:32 PM

ayyy you have to admit he was pretty bad ass in public enemies

davehennessy

03/19/10, 07:34 PM

he's captain jack sprarrow. if i knew nothing else about him that would be enough.

ayyy you have to admit he was pretty bad ass in public enemies

Both of these

Debut_Fin

03/19/10, 07:46 PM

Public Enemies was great. Your opinion is invalid

yellowhouse

03/19/10, 08:20 PM

Public Enemies was great. Your opinion is invalid

I didnt that movie was very good at all.

HometownHero

03/19/10, 08:21 PM

he's captain jack sprarrow. if i knew nothing else about him that would be enough.

Yeah the greatest acting of all time :yawn: He has been in good movies (Blow) but he is definitely overrated

showmethefever

03/19/10, 08:37 PM

I saw Chocolat, just delightful.

In all seriousness though, Public Enemies was a pretty damn good movie.

Gaugzilla

03/19/10, 08:37 PM

golferpunk1

03/19/10, 08:44 PM

I saw Chocolat, just delightful.

In all seriousness though, Public Enemies was a pretty damn good movie.
Nice quote!

I can't believe no one has mentioned Sweeney Todd. He had to learn how to sing for that movie and I thought the music was great.

Bi11 Lumburgh

03/19/10, 09:10 PM

I actually think he's a great actor. Can't say I find him attractive in the least, though..

and that statement is relevant to this thread how exactly?

Guern1ca

03/19/10, 09:11 PM

edgy

mymusicismylife

03/19/10, 09:21 PM

Johnny Depp is better than 99% of the actors out there, and that's not an exaggeration. Just because not all of his movies are great doesn't mean he isn't great.

aradiantsunrise

03/19/10, 09:38 PM

Maybe slightly overrated. He can pull off any role though.

bard

03/19/10, 09:41 PM

my main point is that he needs to choose movies better, because he hasn't done a good movie in a LONG time.

i'm drunk, so everyone should should give me a free pass on this thread.

Full Effect Ed

03/19/10, 09:42 PM

Public Enemies?

Guern1ca

03/19/10, 09:44 PM

Almost every single actor is that way man, save for cats like DDL. But I wouldn't really consider him a 'working actor' because of how selective he is.

And Sweeney Todd was awesome.

mymusicismylife

03/19/10, 09:44 PM

Public Enemies?

His latest movie before Alice. It was with Christian Bale. He plays Dillinger. Ringing a bell?

bard

03/19/10, 09:44 PM

Man's got talent, but I don't need to tell anyone that. If you honestly think he's overrated then it's obvious you haven't seen Blow, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, or Ed Wood.

/thread
Blow is one of my favorite movies, fear and loathing wasn't good to me, and i need to see ed wood.

Full Effect Ed

03/19/10, 09:46 PM

His latest movie before Alice. It was with Christian Bale. He plays Dillinger. Ringing a bell?

I know what the fuck it is haha. I was referring to tanker's quote before mine. Mann is one of my favorite directors

Full Effect Ed

03/19/10, 09:47 PM

Blow is one of my favorite movies, fear and loathing wasn't good to me, and i need to see ed wood.

Yes...you need to see Ed Wood

bard

03/19/10, 09:49 PM

Yes...you need to see Ed Wood
i know, but either way, i would say that at least 3/4 of his filmography are crap movies.

Full Effect Ed

03/19/10, 09:49 PM

i know, but either way, i would say that at least 3/4 of his filmography are crap movies.

Go have another drink my friend

drawndead

03/19/10, 09:50 PM

he's a good actor even though some of his movies blow. but i don't get why girls go gaga over him

kaycey

03/19/10, 10:03 PM

Yeah the greatest acting of all time :yawn: He has been in good movies (Blow) but he is definitely overrated

morale of the thread - op is a little bitch.

bard

03/19/10, 10:27 PM

Go have another drink my friend
done and done.

writeacliche

03/19/10, 10:46 PM

He's not overrated. He's an incredible actor and really gets into his character. He's constantly interesting in his roles and portrayals of said roles. The only thing I could agree with that it sort of along that line of thinking is that: He is wildly popular for all the wrong reasons (teen girls who want to date Jack Sparrow, namely.)

Here's a list of flicks you need to see that star Depp that really prove his versatility:

Benny & Joon
Donnie Brasco
Fear and Loathing
Ed Wood
Blow
Public Enemies

All vastly different roles in great films.

cshadows2887

03/19/10, 10:48 PM

He's been in a bit of a rut, but he's already got a career to put him in the second-tier of all-time greats.

Lueda Alia

03/19/10, 11:25 PM

Good lord. Do people just throw the word 'overrated' around to feel better about themselves and their taste?

Johnny Depp has a ton of prolific movies and alot of garbage too. Thing is, he is almost always fantastic in whatever it is, quality of film aside. He is an actor who is incredibly good at his craft and has an almost unrivaled stage presence. That's why he's one of the best. It shouldn't even need to be said.

Johnny Depp is better than 99% of the actors out there, and that's not an exaggeration. Just because not all of his movies are great doesn't mean he isn't great.
Exactly.

I love him. I would pretty much watch him in anything because he's still great, despite how awful a movie can be.

mht

03/19/10, 11:27 PM

saw Johnny Depp around my condo in Scranton...

Cuddleworthy

03/19/10, 11:38 PM

only 6 of his films

RiCCioLi

03/19/10, 11:39 PM

dude hasnt had a good movie since Blow (which is an amazing movie and performance) . Fuck Pirates, Alice, and Choc. Factory. No intentions of seeing any of them more than half a time

WakingTheMisery

03/19/10, 11:45 PM

I saw Chocolat, just delightful.

Best post in the thread.

Khaos

03/19/10, 11:49 PM

jwicklun

03/19/10, 11:51 PM

He's been in a bit of a rut, but he's already got a career to put him in the second-tier of all-time greats.
in a rut? isn't alice making some serious bank?

cshadows2887

03/19/10, 11:57 PM

in a rut? isn't alice making some serious bank?

I meant in terms of quality of performance, not grosses. He's been a bit more hit or miss of late than earlier in his career, for my money.

jwicklun

03/20/10, 12:10 AM

I meant in terms of quality of performance, not grosses. He's been a bit more hit or miss of late than earlier in his career, for my money.
I think he is doing fine. He is still a great actor, its the quality of his films. While they aren't terrible, he can a whole lot better.

jesse-k

03/20/10, 03:02 AM

johnny depp rules

/thread

reesa

03/20/10, 04:23 AM

i especially enjoy his love scenes. great actor, he is.

:-d

vincentgrippi

03/20/10, 04:23 AM

I didnt that movie was very good at all.

It was decent.

SlappedActor

03/20/10, 04:25 AM

KwkS-ERuNuk

fflash

03/20/10, 05:15 AM

This thread is pretty depp.

fixed

KellyGleason

03/20/10, 07:36 AM

and that statement is relevant to this thread how exactly?Eh, the thread is talking about Johnny Depp. :shrug:

writeacliche

03/20/10, 08:35 AM

dude hasnt had a good movie since Blow (which is an amazing movie and performance) . Fuck Pirates, Alice, and Choc. Factory. No intentions of seeing any of them more than half a time
I don't know how you can get up in the morning and be as tough as you are. It's incredible.

MILFCORE

03/20/10, 08:37 AM

I liked Alice In Wonderland.

Talib Scottie

03/20/10, 08:42 AM

He's not nearly as selective as a lot of actors who consider themselves to be 'elite' actors. He can kill it in a good role and have fun in a ridiculous one. He pretty much does whatever movie he wants to do, which nowadays just seems to involve Jack Sparrow or Tim Burton.

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 08:54 AM

dude hasnt had a good movie since Blow (which is an amazing movie and performance) . Fuck Pirates, Alice, and Choc. Factory. No intentions of seeing any of them more than half a time
Finding Neverland was after Blow.

JordanBuell

03/20/10, 09:19 AM

i honestly just dont like how creepy johnny depps movies have been recently.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 09:26 AM

Yeah the greatest acting of all time :yawn: He has been in good movies (Blow) but he is definitely overrated

It's the single most iconic performance/character to come along in the past ten years (at least). That has to count for something.

yourface88

03/20/10, 09:40 AM

saw Johnny Depp around my condo in Scranton...
Good call.

j depp is a ridiculously good actor but public enemies was garbage

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 09:43 AM

edgy

I read through this thread seriously looking for you to say something like this or "controversial." hahaha

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 09:45 AM

I saw Chocolat, just delightful.

hahaha

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 09:48 AM

triple post.

KwkS-ERuNuk

this used to be fairly common. Makes me like him even more.

catherinexhimel

03/20/10, 09:54 AM

I like Johnny Depp, but it seems like lately he's been playing weak characters.

HometownHero

03/20/10, 09:57 AM

It's the single most iconic performance/character to come along in the past ten years (at least). That has to count for something.

Lol no it was not

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 10:25 AM

Lol no it was not

Hahahaha, good argument. Give me one original character that became more iconic in film in the past ten years.

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 10:26 AM

Hahahaha, good argument. Give me one original character that became more iconic in film in the past ten years.

through film alone this is a difficult question answer.

Full Effect Ed

03/20/10, 10:26 AM

Watching Donnie Brasco right now...LMFAO @ overrated

HometownHero

03/20/10, 10:32 AM

Hahahaha, good argument. Give me one original character that became more iconic in film in the past ten years.

Off the top of my head (and I didn't even like it very much) Heath Ledger as the Joker. Acting was way better. Are we talking about movies with sequels?

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 10:39 AM

Off the top of my head (and I didn't even like it very much) Heath Ledger as the Joker. Acting was way better. Are we talking about movies with sequels?

The Joker isn't even kind of an original character. The Joker has been iconic for decades, and Ledger just did a good job with something that had already been fleshed out time and time again. Sure, Ledger's performance is iconic, but he didn't create a character from nothing, which is what we're talking about. So no dice there, though I knew right away you'd probably throw that one out. And saying the acting was way better is purely opinion. Depp in the first film is every bit as good in a completely different way (and in a better film, in my opinion).

Full Effect Ed

03/20/10, 10:39 AM

Off the top of my head (and I didn't even like it very much) Heath Ledger as the Joker. Acting was way better. Are we talking about movies with sequels?

ORIGINAL character!

HometownHero

03/20/10, 10:40 AM

The Joker isn't even kind of an original character. The Joker has been iconic for decades, and Ledger just did a good job with something that had already been fleshed out time and time again. Sure, Ledger's performance is iconic, but he didn't create a character from nothing, which is what we're talking about. So no dice there, though I knew right away you'd probably throw that one out. And saying the acting was way better is purely opinion. Depp in the first film is every bit as good in a completely different way (and in a better film, in my opinion).

In that case I could just list a character from a great movie and I would win ya?

Edit; Tyler Durden and The Dude

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 10:40 AM

ORIGINAL character!

Yeah, that.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 10:41 AM

In that case I could just list a character from a great movie and I would win ya?

Throw whatever characters you want at me. I'm sure I could argue Depp's Sparrow is more iconic EASILY.

HometownHero

03/20/10, 10:42 AM

Throw whatever characters you want at me. I'm sure I could argue Depp's Sparrow is more iconic EASILY.

See my above edit

Full Effect Ed

03/20/10, 10:43 AM

In that case I could just list a character from a great movie and I would win ya?

Edit; Tyler Durden and The Dude

They were both from films in the 90s

HometownHero

03/20/10, 10:44 AM

They were both from films in the 90s

Harry Potter

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 10:46 AM

Tyler Durden and the Dude are definitely on the same level, but neither are from the past ten years. And Tyler Durden comes from a book; Pitt's performance is definitely what makes the character iconic, but he had source material to build the character from.

Full Effect Ed

03/20/10, 10:46 AM

Harry Potter

If you're saying that then I'm going to say Abel Turner is iconic as well

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 10:47 AM

This argument is pointless, Sparrow is easily the most iconic character in that time period, i don't think their is another original one that even comes close.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 10:48 AM

Harry Potter

Again, adapted, but now you're really grasping. Harry Potter as a movie character would have been iconic no matter what thanks the the phenomenon the books created. Radcliffe, while perfectly adequate, brings nothing new to the character and earns icon status merely because he brings a face to the character.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 10:49 AM

This argument is pointless, Sparrow is easily the most iconic character in that time period, i don't think their is another original one that even comes close.

Closest thing I can think of is Napoleon Dynamite, and that's really not very close at all.

Full Effect Ed

03/20/10, 10:50 AM

This argument is pointless, Sparrow is easily the most iconic character in that time period, i don't think their is another original one that even comes close.

This argument is entertaining the shit out of me haha

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 10:51 AM

Closest thing I can think of is Napoleon Dynamite, and that's really not very close at all.
Yeah, i can't really think of any other ones that come that close. Bill the Butcher was sort of iconic from it's year, Javier Bardem's character from No Country also was, but they both don't come close to Sparrow.

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 10:52 AM

This argument is entertaining the shit out of me haha
Definitely entertaining, i just mean pointless in that their is a clear right side.

HometownHero

03/20/10, 10:52 AM

If you're saying that then I'm going to say Abel Turner is iconic as well

Comparing Lakeview Terrace is just stupid

Full Effect Ed

03/20/10, 10:54 AM

Comparing Lakeview Terrace is just stupid

Did you have to google the name? haha

HometownHero

03/20/10, 10:55 AM

HometownHero

03/20/10, 10:55 AM

Did you have to google the name? haha

Definitely haha but I have seen that movie :-)

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 10:58 AM

Yeah, i can't really think of any other ones that come that close. Bill the Butcher was sort of iconic from it's year, Javier Bardem's character from No Country also was, but they both don't come close to Sparrow.

Yeah, I thought of those, but they're definitely not on the same level. If this guy can find me someone who doesn't know who Captain Jack Sparrow is, I'd be shocked. I'd even give him a few points if he can find someone who couldn't offer up a (bad) impression of Depp in Pirates...

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 10:58 AM

Comparing Javier Bardem's character to Sparrow is stupid. Your avatar is awesome so I forgive you
I was just naming the most popular original characters i could remember in recent years and it is a better comparison than any character you have named so far in that it is an original character. Their isn't one that comes close to Sparrow which is why this argument is stupid. Yes, Matsson is great.

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:00 AM

Yeah, I thought of those, but they're definitely not on the same level. If this guy can find me someone who doesn't know who Captain Jack Sparrow is, I'd be shocked. I'd even give him a few points if he can find someone who couldn't offer up a (bad) impression of Depp in Pirates...
Yeah, no other character comes close.

mht

03/20/10, 11:02 AM

his best movie was were he killed that bitch and planted corn over her and ate it. shit was lol

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:02 AM

I was just naming the most popular original characters i could remember in recent years and it is a better comparison than any character you have named so far in that it is an original character. Their isn't one that comes close to Sparrow which is why this argument is stupid. Yes, Matsson is great.

Russell Crowe in Gladiator?

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 11:03 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure how this is arguable.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 11:04 AM

his best movie was were he killed that bitch and planted corn over her and ate it. shit was lol

Hahaha, I forgot about that movie. Killed her with a shovel too.

Russell Crowe in Gladiator?

Not even close.

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:05 AM

Hahaha, I forgot about that movie. Killed her with a shovel too.

Not even close.

How so? Acting was better, movie was better, performance still sticks with me. I'd even argue Austin Powers for the stupid generation

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 11:06 AM

How so? Acting was better, movie was better, performance still sticks with me. I'd even argue Austin Powers for the stupid generation

Do you know what "iconic" means?

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:06 AM

Movie was overrated, performance was overrated, not nearly as iconic

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:09 AM

Movie was overrated, performance was overrated, not nearly as iconic

Pirates wasn't overrated? Must be a joke. The first one was okay. Second two were awful

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:12 AM

Do you know what "iconic" means?

Yep. But for a literal definition: The characteristics of an icon.

Definition of icon: An image or a representation. One who is an object of great attention and devotion; an idol.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 11:16 AM

Pirates wasn't overrated? Must be a joke. The first one was okay. Second two were awful

*sigh*

One: This is merely opinion.
Two: This is beside the point.
Three: Are you really trying to argue that Russell Crowe's character in Gladiator is more of an icon than Depp's Captain Jack? What the hell was Crowe's character's name anyway?

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:16 AM

Pirates wasn't overrated? Must be a joke. The first one was okay. Second two were awful
Wasn't talking about the quality of those three movies, you were saying how great Gladiator is/was, and it is pretty overrated. I could careless about the actual Pirates movies, that's not what's being discussed.

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:17 AM

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:19 AM

*sigh*

One: This is merely opinion.
Two: This is beside the point.
Three: Are you really trying to argue that Russell Crowe's character in Gladiator is more of an icon than Depp's Captain Jack? What the hell was Crowe's character's name anyway?

Crowe was Maximus in the film. I'm just arguing that Cpt Jack Sparrow is not really an icon. It is an overrated role, by a most of the time, overrated actor. Yeah when the movie was buzz buzz buzz and everyone loved him for it. Who (besides you few) still really talk about it and how many lists is he making as an actor and are the films making? Zero

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 11:20 AM

Jack Sparrow is absolutely an icon.

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:23 AM

Crowe was Maximus in the film. I'm just arguing that Cpt Jack Sparrow is not really an icon. It is an overrated role, by a most of the time, overrated actor. Yeah when the movie was buzz buzz buzz and everyone loved him for it. Who (besides you few) still really talk about it and how many lists is he making as an actor and are the films making? Zero
Jack Sparrow has a huge following, which is why when he shows up at Disney to go on the ride tons of people flock to it, once again we aren't talking about the overall quality of the role, that is irrelevant, it could be a shitty movie/performance and still be really iconic (see: Boondock Saints).

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:30 AM

Jack Sparrow has a huge following, which is why when he shows up at Disney to go on the ride tons of people flock to it, once again we aren't talking about the overall quality of the role, that is irrelevant, it could be a shitty movie/performance and still be really iconic (see: Boondock Saints).

But do you really think the Pirates Of The Caribbean ride, which was there before the movies, would be any less popular with out it? No. And yeah you are right about the Boondock Saints thing

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:32 AM

But do you really think the Pirates Of The Caribbean ride, which was there before the movies, would be any less popular with out it? No. And yeah you are right about the Boondock Saints thing
I do think it would be less popular without the movies, it makes it a must go on ride for anyone that has seen the movie.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 11:32 AM

Crowe was Maximus in the film. I'm just arguing that Cpt Jack Sparrow is not really an icon. It is an overrated role, by a most of the time, overrated actor. Yeah when the movie was buzz buzz buzz and everyone loved him for it. Who (besides you few) still really talk about it and how many lists is he making as an actor and are the films making? Zero

He single handedly changed the way people envision a pirate. He became the model for the genre overnight. Whether the film is considered one of the best of the decade is irrelevant. The performance was incredibly creative and original, and drew people to the theater in droves. I'll tell you a list the films still make: all time box office lists, and that's almost entirely because of Depp's performance. Just about everyone on the planet knows the character. If that's not iconic, nothing is.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 11:34 AM

But do you really think the Pirates Of The Caribbean ride, which was there before the movies, would be any less popular with out it? No. And yeah you are right about the Boondock Saints thing

It absolutely made the ride more popular. I'm certain the number of people going on that ride in any given day increased tenfold as those movies came out. And those movies were popular because of Depp.

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:36 AM

I do think it would be less popular without the movies, it makes it a must go on ride for anyone that has seen the movie.

That is just wrong. It was popular before and always had large lines and still continues to do so

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:38 AM

That is just wrong. It was popular before and always had large lines and still continues to do so
You have nothing to back up your claim that it is wrong other than your faulty opinion. It would certainly stand to reason that the movies could only make the ride more popular, this would stand to reason for any ride that was made into a movie. It is just common sense

bouttogetfancy

03/20/10, 11:40 AM

I do think it would be less popular without the movies, it makes it a must go on ride for anyone that has seen the movie.
The ride was a must go on before the movies.

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:40 AM

You have nothing to back up your claim that it is wrong other than your faulty opinion. It would certainly stand to reason that the movies could only make the ride more popular, this would stand to reason for any ride that was made into a movie. It is just common sense

The thing backing up my claim is the fact that the fucking ride was already around and quite popular at Disney land before those movies ever hit. Yeah, they are popular for a new generation of kids but the rest still would have loved that ride regardless if those boring movies ever came out

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:43 AM

The ride was a must go on before the movies.

The thing backing up my claim is the fact that the fucking ride was already around and quite popular at Disney land before those movies ever hit. Yeah, they are popular for a new generation of kids but the rest still would have loved that ride regardless if those boring movies ever came out
I am fully aware the ride was popular before the movies, what I am saying is it is now more popular after the movies. Fairly simple to comprehend and only amplified by the fact that they changed the ride to include characters from the movies.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 11:45 AM

bouttogetfancy

03/20/10, 11:46 AM

I never said it wasn't more popular now but it was always pretty big. That is all I had to say. Continue on with your discussion.

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 11:47 AM

quick in and quick out from 'Nessa!

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 11:47 AM

I never said it wasn't more popular now but it was always pretty big. That is all I had to say. Continue on with your discussion.

It's at Disney world. Is anything there not pretty big?

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:47 AM

I am fully aware the ride was popular before the movies, what I am saying is it is now more popular after the movies. Fairly simple to comprehend and only amplified by the fact that they changed the ride to include characters from the movies.

So that basically makes my Harry Potter that more valid, because it's either at Disneyworld or Universal Orlando where they built Hogwarts because of the popularity

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 11:49 AM

I thought HP can't be included because he's an adapted character?

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:49 AM

So that basically makes my Harry Potter that more valid, because it's either at Disneyworld or Universal Orlando where they built Hogwarts because of the popularity

I thought HP can't be included because he's an adapted character?
Yes, he isn't original and the ride was built after the movie, so their is no way to say if it was made more popular or not

bouttogetfancy

03/20/10, 11:50 AM

It's at Disney world. Is anything there not pretty big?
exactly, just thought he had meant that it wasn't that popular before, which he cleared up.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 11:50 AM

I thought HP can't be included because he's an adapted character?

He can't, since we're talking about film.

bouttogetfancy

03/20/10, 11:50 AM

quick in and quick out from 'Nessa!
I need a nap. I shouldn't have gotten involved.

HometownHero

03/20/10, 11:53 AM

Yes, he isn't original and the ride was built after the movie, so their is no way to say if it was made more popular or not

But the people obviously wanted the ride/area due to its popularity. Pirates was already there

Laural666

03/20/10, 11:53 AM

I love him in The Secret Window.
One of my favorite movies.

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:54 AM

But the people obviously wanted the ride/area due to its popularity. Pirates was already there
Yes, Harry Potter is very popular, I do agree with that, but since you guys were talking original characters only it doesn't really apply.

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 11:55 AM

dude was William Blake, so he will always be good in my book.

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 11:57 AM

dude was William Blake, so he will always be good in my book.
Watched Dead Man recently

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 11:59 AM

Watched Dead Man recently

Had you seen it before? If not, then what did ya think?

yellowhouse

03/20/10, 12:00 PM

It was decent.

It was pretty shitty.

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 12:00 PM

Had you seen it before? If not, then what did ya think?
I had seen it a few times before, like the movie a lot.

RiCCioLi

03/20/10, 12:49 PM

I don't know how you can get up in the morning and be as tough as you are. It's incredible.

its hard man, but some buddys gotta do it.

Whalejaw

03/20/10, 12:54 PM

http://www.empireonline.com/iconsofthedecade/

writeacliche

03/20/10, 01:01 PM

its hard man, but some buddys gotta do it.
Haha but seriously check out some of his older stuff, it's legendary.

roughroads

03/20/10, 01:07 PM

he's a good actor even though some of his movies blow. but i don't get why girls go gaga over him

/thread

bard

03/20/10, 01:53 PM

It's the single most iconic performance/character to come along in the past ten years (at least). That has to count for something.
i know that you've already discussed the crap out of this argument, but come on, it's not the single most iconic/performance.

popularity =/= quality

Daniel Plainview is a million times more iconic (and yes, i know it came from a book, but it was quite the different story from the original book)

xapplexpiex

03/20/10, 01:58 PM

I don't think he's overrated at all. He never plays the same kind of character twice and I think he's a good actor. I wish he'd try working with someone other than Tim Burton on his next movie though. (I don't have anything against Burton, but it seems like they collaborate a lot.)

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 02:19 PM

i know that you've already discussed the crap out of this argument, but come on, it's not the single most iconic/performance.

popularity =/= quality

Daniel Plainview is a million times more iconic (and yes, i know it came from a book, but it was quite the different story from the original book)

Ask an average person off the street who Daniel Plainview is and they won't be able to tell you. You're wrong.

And why you even brought "popularity =/= quality" into the conversation is beyond me. We've already established that creating an iconic character doesn't necessarily mean it's the greatest performance ever. I can't argue that DDL's performance is the finer of the two, but Depp's Sparrow is infinitely more iconic.

cirerelleum

03/20/10, 02:29 PM

I agree with the OP.

bard

03/20/10, 02:30 PM

Ask an average person off the street who Daniel Plainview is and they won't be able to tell you. You're wrong.

And why you even brought "popularity =/= quality" into the conversation is beyond me. We've already established that creating an iconic character doesn't necessarily mean it's the greatest performance ever. I can't argue that DDL's performance is the finer of the two, but Depp's Sparrow is infinitely more iconic.
what is your definition of iconic? like, what characteristics?

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 02:32 PM

I too would like a definition of iconic. I have assumed something along the lines of "most easily recognizable/ most well-known."

bard

03/20/10, 02:35 PM

I too would like a definition of iconic. I have assumed something along the lines of "most easily recognizable/ most well-known."
If that is the definition that he is "using" for choosing Jack Sparrow, then I would kind of agree. He is definitely in the top 5 of the decade, maybe number 1.

But to me, iconic would be those criteria you said, in addition to doing an incredible job as a character, and I don't think Sparrow is incredible at all.

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 02:37 PM

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 02:41 PM

what is your definition of iconic? like, what characteristics?

I too would like a definition of iconic. I have assumed something along the lines of "most easily recognizable/ most well-known."

Instantly recognizable to virtually everyone, no matter the age group. A character or performance known and respected in film, by both the average movie going public and film enthusiasts. So pretty much what you said.

jbaseball44

03/20/10, 02:43 PM

Instantly recognizable to virtually everyone, no matter the age group. A character or performance known and respected in film, by both the average movie going public and film enthusiasts. So pretty much what you said.
Agreed. I wish Daniel Planview was more recognizable to the average movie going public.

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 02:43 PM

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 02:48 PM

If that is the definition that he is "using" for choosing Jack Sparrow, then I would kind of agree. He is definitely in the top 5 of the decade, maybe number 1.

But to me, iconic would be those criteria you said, in addition to doing an incredible job as a character, and I don't think Sparrow is incredible at all.

This is far too opinion based to ever be the criteria for deciding whether or not something is iconic. I think Depp gives a great and instantly unforgettable performance as Captain Jack, but that's my own opinion. Are there better performances? Of course. Pirates is an accessible, summer blockbuster, so right away we had to know that Sparrow wasn't going to be the most complex, thought provoking character in the world. Iconic characters are rarely the most complex. DDL in There Will Be Blood creates this ridiculously complex character, and it's definitely an incredible job, but iconic is not a word I would use to describe it.

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 02:50 PM

might have to do with the fact that if you are to make a character "complex," you are more likely to alienate the film's audience, at least when it comes to that character.

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 02:52 PM

this could literally mean nothing but it could be related to the fact that people are often less able to connect/identify with a complex character. Or at least it is easier, for most people, to find that connection in a relatively simple character.

narcoleptic953

03/20/10, 02:55 PM

might have to do with the fact that if you are to make a character "complex," you are more likely to alienate the film's audience, at least when it comes to that character.

Oh absolutely. Because a more complex character almost always means a more complex story, and more complex stories get smaller audiences. Just look at Avatar: there wasn't an ounce of complexity in that film: it was absolutely universal, mainstream cinema, and didn't ever go deeper that what was on it's surface. I personally hated it for being so paper thin and easy, but the fact is, that's right up the average moviegoer's alley.

Thomas Balkcom

03/20/10, 02:57 PM

Oh absolutely. Because a more complex character almost always means a more complex story, and more complex stories get smaller audiences. Just look at Avatar: there wasn't an ounce of complexity in that film: it was absolutely universal, mainstream cinema, and didn't ever go deeper that what was on it's surface. I personally hated it for being so paper thin and easy, but the fact is, that's right up the average moviegoer's alley.

very interesting.

Gaugzilla

03/20/10, 03:19 PM

Xx sorrow xX

03/20/10, 08:23 PM

He's very unique actor but that's what make him cool

map8705

03/20/10, 09:17 PM

Public Enemies was great. Your opinion is invalid

I thought him and Bale played their parts great in that movie, but I thought the movie itself wasn't very good.

showmethefever

03/20/10, 09:33 PM

Agreed. I wish Daniel Planview was more recognizable to the average movie going public.
No kidding, There Will Be Blood was such a great movie.

narcoleptic953

03/21/10, 08:26 AM

I thought him and Bale played their parts great in that movie, but I thought the movie itself wasn't very good.

Depp was excellent in that movie, and I never understood what was so wrong with it in the first place. It wasn't great, but I thought it tackled it's subject fairly well and a few of the shootouts were heart stoppers (though not quite on the level of Mann's previous work in Heat). I thought Bale's character was pretty cardboard and that he didn't do much to change that, but both Depp and Cotillard gave great performances.

Nick Hull

03/21/10, 09:08 AM

who considers him one of the greatest actors of his generation?

CarouselBoy

03/21/10, 09:27 AM

my main point is that he needs to choose movies better, because he hasn't done a good movie in a LONG time.

i'm drunk, so everyone should should give me a free pass on this thread.

that should have ended the thread right there

oh...rly

03/21/10, 10:21 AM

saw Johnny Depp around my condo in Scranton...

:appl:

bard

03/21/10, 10:35 AM

This is far too opinion based to ever be the criteria for deciding whether or not something is iconic. I think Depp gives a great and instantly unforgettable performance as Captain Jack, but that's my own opinion. Are there better performances? Of course. Pirates is an accessible, summer blockbuster, so right away we had to know that Sparrow wasn't going to be the most complex, thought provoking character in the world. Iconic characters are rarely the most complex. DDL in There Will Be Blood creates this ridiculously complex character, and it's definitely an incredible job, but iconic is not a word I would use to describe it.
Now that I have read this, I completely agree with the original post. I was thinking you meant something else, but I agree with this.

BurymeWalkAway

03/21/10, 02:29 PM

Edward Scissorshands enough said...

JuneJuly

03/21/10, 02:57 PM

of his films I have seen:

Edward Scissor Hands (liked)
What's Eating Gilbert Grape (liked)
Once Upon a Time in Mexico (liked)
Pirates of the Carribean (liked)
Finding Neverland (liked)
Corpse Bride (doesn't come close to nightmare before christmas, but liked)