Was Patrick Ewing Overrated?

[Caleb Cattivera]

Got this from another message board.

[xbrokendownx]

hell fucking no

[Broken Parachute]

Not at all.

[justinevans]

no, but he did travel alot

[xearlynovemberx]

no way

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

hell to the no

[Scott Weber]

Yes, he was. Only because he played in New York. Had he played harder he could have easily gotten more boards per game, he wasn't NEARLY the defensive monster people made him out to be for a decade. awesome in his prime but not even close to the best center in the league.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

crazy talk, he had sweet shoes also.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Yes, he was. Only because he played in New York. Had he played harder he could have easily gotten more boards per game, he wasn't NEARLY the defensive monster people made him out to be for a decade. awesome in his prime but not even close to the best center in the league.

the answer i was looking for. he was a great player statistcally, but never came through in the clutch. great players put their team on their back and take them to victory. mj, isiah, hakeem, bird, magic.

it's all about the ewing theory. this theory says that not only the new york knicks, but the hoyas as well, played better when he was injured or missed extended periods of time.

[Caleb Cattivera]

crazy talk, he had sweet shoes also.

his shoes were sweet.

[Scott Weber]

the answer i was looking for. he was a great player statistcally, but never came through in the clutch. great players put their team on their back and take them to victory. mj, isiah, hakeem, bird, magic.

it's all about the ewing theory. this theory says that not only the new york knicks, but the hoyas as well, played better when he was injured or missed extended periods of time.
Who can forget Ewing's missed finger roll from 2 feet at the buzzer against Indiana in 1994's eastern conference finals. Haha.

Ewing didn't lead his team to a title. Hakeen did.

[Broken Parachute]

the answer i was looking for. he was a great player statistcally, but never came through in the clutch. great players put their team on their back and take them to victory. mj, isiah, hakeem, bird, magic.

it's all about the ewing theory. this theory says that not only the new york knicks, but the hoyas as well, played better when he was injured or missed extended periods of time.
No no no..

That's called the Marbury Theory.

[Caleb Cattivera]

No no no..

That's called the Marbury Theory.

trust me, it started with patrick ewing. marbury's just a follower, must be something in the water up there.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Who can forget Ewing's missed finger roll from 2 feet at the buzzer against Indiana in 1994's eastern conference finals. Haha.

Ewing didn't lead his team to a title. Hakeen did.

haha. oh man the good ole days.

hakeem was amazing.

[JTrain12]

haha i fuckin had to pair of Ewing shoes...with the strap in the back, holla!

[Scott Weber]

I REALLY want to hear an argument as to how Ewing wasn't overrated.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I REALLY want to hear an argument as to how Ewing wasn't overrated.

*sits back*

[Scott Weber]

Where are they? I see them lurking!

[Caleb Cattivera]

Where are they? I see them lurking!

haha i know. i think we could write a novel on why he's overrated before they can reply with why he's not.

[xbrokendownx]

PPG: 21.0
RPG: 9.8
Blocks per game: 2.45
.504 % FGs
.740 % FTs
voted one of the 50 greatest players of all time


id say those are pretty good credentials for being "not overrated"


PS- 4k

[JTrain12]

PPG: 21.0
RPG: 9.8
Blocks per game: 2.45
.504 % FGs
.740 % FTs
voted one of the 50 greatest players of all time


id say those are pretty good credentials for being "not overrated"


PS- 4k

thank you...and i never really liked the guy who sweated buckets by warmups...but he wasnt overrated...

[Scott Weber]

PPG: 21.0
RPG: 9.8
Blocks per game: 2.45
.504 % FGs
.740 % FTs
voted one of the 50 greatest players of all time


id say those are pretty good credentials for being "not overrated"


PS- 4k
Weak argument, NEXT.

Some of the greatest players EVER are overrated because they don't match up to the hype they got. Nobody is saying Ewing wasn't a damn good player.

[Caleb Cattivera]

PPG: 21.0
RPG: 9.8
Blocks per game: 2.45
.504 % FGs
.740 % FTs
voted one of the 50 greatest players of all time


id say those are pretty good credentials for being "not overrated"


PS- 4k

how many times did he lead the knicks to a championship? none.

what about to the finals? none (dont say 99)

ewing was great statistically, sure, plenty of players have been. but what else did he do?

[Scott Weber]

thank you...and i never really liked the guy who sweated buckets by warmups...but he wasnt overrated...
is this how it's going to work? You all sit around and wait for somebody to copy/paste a HOF'ers career numbers and sit around and nod in agreement? Come on. Somebody make a point.

[JTrain12]

you live on the west coast...youre gonna tell me Kobe is better than MJ...

[xbrokendownx]

how many times did he lead the knicks to a championship? none.

what about to the finals? none (dont say 99)

ewing was great statistically, sure, plenty of players have been. but what else did he do?





94? we were a john starks boneheaded play away from the title from what i remember (i was only 8)


and the knicks have only won 2 championships in their history. so youre saying every player theyve ever had is overrated besides guys like willis reed?

[Scott Weber]

you live on the west coast...youre gonna tell me Kobe is better than MJ...
You're kidding, right? Don't be an idiot. The fact that you guys think Ewing isn't overrated and can't formulate a reason why is showing YOUR bias. And for the record, I hate Kobe. And I loved Ewing.

[Scott Weber]

94? we were a john starks boneheaded play away from the title from what i remember (i was only 8)


and the knicks have only won 2 championships in their history. so youre saying every player theyve ever had is overrated besides guys like willis reed?
Wow, so not the point. Who was rated as high as Ewing? Blackmon? Starks? Come on. Please try to put together something that makes sense. The point is that Ewing was considered to be an elite center in his day, some might have even called him the best. He wasn't.

[JTrain12]

then tell me how he is overrated???

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

he wasnt an elite center?

[Scott Weber]

then tell me how he is overrated???
Why don't you try reading the fucking thread? Caleb and I already made our arguments.

[xbrokendownx]

name me 3 centers who youd rather have in their primes that played at the same time ewing played (minus hakeem)

[Scott Weber]

caleb, IM me, I'm sick of you always changing your screen names and never being online.

[JTrain12]

anyone that played on the greatest team ever assembled...the dream team, is not overrated...well maybe Christian Laettner(or however you spell that)...and like someone said...50 all time greatest....in that case, i can say John Stockton was overrated, he didnt lead Utah anywhere...

[JTrain12]

edit, he left Utah to that great ass picture i have on my wall of what should have been MJs last shot...

[Broken Parachute]

anyone that played on the greatest team ever assembled...the dream team, is not overrated...well maybe Christian Laettner(or however you spell that)...and like someone said...50 all time greatest....in that case, i can say John Stockton was overrated, he didnt lead Utah anywhere...
Do you really believe that?

[Scott Weber]

name me 3 centers who youd rather have in their primes that played at the same time ewing played (minus hakeem)
1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Hakeem (who the fuck says you can exclude him? That's bullshit.)
3. David Robinson (89-96)

There's a reason Patrick Ewing was only 1st team All-NBA ONE time in his entire career...there were better centers in the league.

[xbrokendownx]

Do you really believe that?





i definitely dont, but thats part of the argument that scott and caleb are using.

in that case, dan marino must be overrated too

[JTrain12]

Do you really believe that?

no, but they say ewing didnt lead his team to the ship....neither than mr stockton...

[xbrokendownx]

1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Hakeem (who the fuck says you can exclude him? That's bullshit.)
3. David Robinson (89-96)

There's a reason Patrick Ewing was only 1st team All-NBA ONE time in his entire career...there were better centers in the league.





i was excluding hakeem because i agree that he is better than ewing.

and give me ewing over david robinson any day of the week. robinson didnt win anything either until a guy named tim duncan came along

[Broken Parachute]

Nobody ever said that Ewing was the greatest center ever..so I don't see how he's overrated. He was a good player, not a great one. That's basically it.

[Scott Weber]

anyone that played on the greatest team ever assembled...the dream team, is not overrated...well maybe Christian Laettner(or however you spell that)...and like someone said...50 all time greatest....in that case, i can say John Stockton was overrated, he didnt lead Utah anywhere...

I really can't get through to you can I? EWING WAS A GREAT PLAYER. Nobody is arguing against this! Some great players in all sports were overrated. Reggie Jackson is the first one that comes to mind. Back to Ewing. 50 greatest of all time? Ok, maybe. But if anything, that's something that was VOTED on, basically only offering more reasoning as to how he's overrated. Does he belong on that list? Maybe yes, maybe no. That's another argument for another day. (actually we had a thread on that a few months ago).

You can't be serious about Stockton. He doesn't have a title, instead he was just the greatest passer of his or maybe ANY generation, an outstanding defensive player, and a serious scoring threat. The guy shot .574 in a season. As a GUARD. That's unheard of. His career average was .515. Insane.

[JTrain12]

last time i heard, great players are measured by the rings on their fingers...so he dont have shit...i never said stockton was overrated, but i can say he is, cause him or malone never got it done...

[bigmike]

Yes, he was. Only because he played in New York. Had he played harder he could have easily gotten more boards per game, he wasn't NEARLY the defensive monster people made him out to be for a decade. awesome in his prime but not even close to the best center in the league.
haha, i came in here and before i even looked at any responses i knew caleb and scott were going to be on the "overrated" side of the argument. and i agree.


I also would like to just say that I think David Robinson was very overrated, as well.

[Scott Weber]

i was excluding hakeem because i agree that he is better than ewing.

and give me ewing over david robinson any day of the week. robinson didnt win anything either until a guy named tim duncan came along
Haha, really riding this title thing, aren't we?

Well, let's see.

Both players had sharp statistical declines late in their career, YET:

David Robinson's career averages are higher/better in all of the following statistics:

Points.
Blocks.
Rebounds.
Assists.
Turnovers.
FG%.

Essentially every important statistical category for a center there is. Actually, the only real statistic Ewing had better was FT%... by .005.

NEXT.

[bigmike]

last time i heard, great players are measured by the rings on their fingers...so he dont have shit...i never said stockton was overrated, but i can say he is, cause him or malone never got it done...
Duncan > Malone. so, Karl Malone is overrated, IMO, as well.

[NameTaken69]

The point is that Ewing was considered to be an elite center in his day, some might have even called him the best. He wasn't.

i dont think he was the best in his day (Hakeem), but i would deffinately say he was an elite center.

[JTrain12]

i never liked karl malone...but yea, Tim Duncan is better...

[Scott Weber]

And let's get back on track here. There were a TON of other good points Caleb and I made about Ewing being overrated besides championships, so lets steer back that way, please. This isn't a debate about Stockton, or Dan Marino for that matter.

[Scott Weber]

i dont think he was the best in his day (Hakeem), but i would deffinately say he was an elite center.
I only meant that Ewing wasn't the best in his time, despite how hard the east coast media tried to make him.

[xbrokendownx]

Haha, really riding this title thing, aren't we?

Well, let's see.

Both players had sharp statistical declines late in their career, YET:

David Robinson's career averages are higher/better in all of the following statistics:

Points.
Blocks.
Rebounds.
Assists.
Turnovers.
FG%.

Essentially every important statistical category for a center there is. Actually, the only real statistic Ewing had better was FT%... by .005.

NEXT.





yeah but see, you keep saying that stats dont show everything yet you just used them to "prove" that david robinson is better than ewing...

[xbrokendownx]

I only meant that Ewing wasn't the best in his time, despite how hard the east coast media tried to make him.





i never said he was the best in his time either. id put him 3rd behind hakeem and shaq

[NameTaken69]

I only meant that Ewing wasn't the best in his time, despite how hard the east coast media tried to make him.

yea deffinately not the best, but still fucking nasty. i agree he was a bit overrated

[Scott Weber]

yeah but see, you keep saying that stats dont show everything yet you just used them to "prove" that david robinson is better than ewing...
So, show me some evidence that Ewing was better than Robinson. You don't have All-NBA teams on your side, you don't have All-Defensive Teams on your side, you don't have NBA titles on your side...so what do you have?

[JTrain12]

yea deffinately not the best, but still fucking nasty. i agree he was a bit overrated

youre 17...you probably never saw him play Bambi nuts...

[NameTaken69]

youre 17...you probably never saw him play Bambi nuts...

thats just false, am i not allowed to be a basketball fan before the age of 15?

[JTrain12]

thats just false, am i not allowed to be a basketball fan before the age of 15?

haha im just messin with you...

[zizou1790]

i honestly dont remember him my mom went to school with him thoguh haha

[bigmike]

So, show me some evidence that Ewing was better than Robinson. You don't have All-NBA teams on your side, you don't have All-Defensive Teams on your side, you don't have NBA titles on your side...so what do you have?
sweat. and lots of it.

[NameTaken69]

i honestly dont remember him my mom went to school with him thoguh haha

yea my dad always loved him because he was going to georgetown during the ewing era

[xbrokendownx]

yea my dad always loved him because he was going to georgetown during the ewing era






mwahahaha go up to your dad, and say 1985 and see what he says :)

[JTrain12]

sweat. and lots of it.

no one will ever sweat like Ewing...i mean it looks like Dwayne Wade tried to, but no one will sweat like Ewing...

[NameTaken69]

sweat. and lots of it.

haha his sweat and those fucking knee pads

[NameTaken69]

mwahahaha go up to your dad, and say 1985 and see what he says :)

haha. whenever there is something about that on espn classic i always show him and he gets so pissed. its great

[Scott Weber]

I can only assume I won this debate because the other side has moved on to other topics without debating.

[bigmike]

I can only assume I won this debate because the other side has moved on to other topics without debating.
hahah.

Scott Weber: Serving up Pwncakes since September 2004.

[JTrain12]

I can only assume I won this debate because the other side has moved on to other topics without debating.

yes youre the grand champion of AP debates...good job, i bet youre the type who knows all about some sports, but cant play a damn thing...

[xbrokendownx]

I can only assume I won this debate because the other side has moved on to other topics without debating.






well whenever someone makes a point you just say your points are superior and ours dont matter so if that means you won, then yes you won

[Scott Weber]

yes youre the grand champion of AP debates...good job, i bet youre the type who knows all about some sports, but cant play a damn thing...
Oh, personal shots! The true sign of a winner!

[Scott Weber]

well whenever someone makes a point you just say your points are superior and ours dont matter so if that means you won, then yes you won
In order for that to be true, you would have had to make some actual points. Just being honest.

[JTrain12]

Oh, personal shots! The true sign of a winner!

yea yea, so when you say "dont be an idiot" its cool...but like i said, good job debate king...

[wessa]

Who can forget Ewing's missed finger roll from 2 feet at the buzzer against Indiana in 1994's eastern conference finals. Haha.

Ewing didn't lead his team to a title. Hakeen did.

haha, that automatically makes me think of the line "patrick, short flip and outside boundary lines" in the song "33" by Co&Ca. Anybody ever hear the rumor that the song was written about ewing?

[Scott Weber]

yea yea, so when you say "dont be an idiot" its cool...but like i said, good job debate king...
You gonna actually address some points about Ewing or are you going to continue to shift the discussion to other places?

By the way, this is the Sports Forum and this is what we do. Don't take anything personal in here, I like all of you guys, we just get it on when we debate in here ;)

[Scott Weber]

haha, that automatically makes me think of the line "patrick, short flip and outside boundary lines" in the song "33" by Co&Ca. Anybody ever hear the rumor that the song was written about ewing?
haha wtf? That's funny, C&C are from NY, Ewing wore 33, that's some weird shit!

[zizou1790]

yea my dad always loved him because he was going to georgetown during the ewing era


haha thats sweet my mom and your dad went to school together

[JTrain12]

You gonna actually address some points about Ewing or are you going to continue to shift the discussion to other places?

By the way, this is the Sports Forum and this is what we do. Don't take anything personal in here, I like all of you guys, we just get it on when we debate in here ;)

ok then tomorrow we will debate how hockey is the greatest sport of allll time...and how i still think soccer is some boring shit...

[Scott Weber]

ok then tomorrow we will debate how hockey is the greatest sport of allll time...and how i still think soccer is some boring shit...
Haha, alright...I won't really participate in that because I don't follow hockey.

[Caleb Cattivera]

yes youre the grand champion of AP debates...good job, i bet youre the type who knows all about some sports, but cant play a damn thing...

haha what does not being able to play have to do with anything? who gives a fuck. that is the dumbest post in ap history. congrats.

you think the schwab can run up and down a basketball court once without getting tired?

[Broken Parachute]

haha what does not being able to play have to do with anything? who gives a fuck. that is the dumbest post in ap history. congrats.

you think the schwab can run up and down a basketball court once without getting tired?
Schwab is the fuckin man, I wish I knew half the stuff he did.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

i bet the schwab could keep asshats out of this forum, UNLIKE YOU JERKFACE!!!!!11

[bigmike]

i bet the schwab could keep asshats out of this forum, UNLIKE YOU JERKFACE!!!!!11
hahaha.

[Broken Parachute]

i bet the schwab could keep asshats out of this forum, UNLIKE YOU JERKFACE!!!!!11
:dry:

[Drew Beringer]

Who can forget Ewing's missed finger roll from 2 feet at the buzzer against Indiana in 1994's eastern conference finals. Haha.

Ewing didn't lead his team to a title. Hakeen did.

Pacers ftw!

[The Matt Kaufman]

I used to love the knicks and Patrick Ewing..I had a Ewing jersey..

I thought the guy was always the heart and soul of the knicks from 85-99 or so..When the Knicks were selling out everynight he was one of the causes. Once he got too old the knicks fell apart because they never built around a player. I dont watch the NBA anymore.

I just wish the guy won the nba title..and that fingeroll he missed was in 95..in 94 they made it to the nba finals and lost