World Trade Center = Oliver Stone's End

[preppyak]

That's my prediction at least...

Even people in NYC aren't behind this movie...they all agree it's too soon

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060806/ennew_afp/afpentertainmentfilmusattacks_06080 6051818


I know their was already a thread on this...but this I want to cover the issue of "Is it too soon?" basically.

Even United 93, which was a very tactfully made that didn't neccesarily raise issues, seemed a bit too soon to me...they almost need another 5 years before they can tell these stories in my mind. Now it seems Oliver Stone is going to raise issues in this one...which I'm not sure is his place

In another issue, I think Oliver Stone has lost his touch with reality:

"It's important to remember. People are forgetting already. Kids should know.."

[Scott Weber]

It won't be the end...uproar or not, protestors or not, this movie will still do a lot of money in the box office.

[Katie Schmitz]

It won't be the end...uproar or not, protestors or not, this movie will still do a lot of money in the box office.

Exactly.

[ColourandShape]

"It's important to remember. People are forgetting already. Kids should know," said the director

well thats ridiculous....

I think its too early for New Yorkers. It might be different for someone in the Midwest cause its not as emotionally attached. As a Jersey guy who lives 15 minutes from Manhattan, its too early. The trailor brings up some serious emotions, and I don't feel like being pissed and sad and pretty damn emotional for 2 hours. But again, outsdie the East Coast, i don't think it would be a problem

[xllirikx]

what else did Oliver direct?

[jusscali]

theres a special on mtv right now about it and i think Oliver and the actors with him addressed the issue of it being too soon to make the film and release it very well.

Truth is the story being told is the story of two survivors. I think they decide when it is right to tell their story or not.

[jusscali]

what else did Oliver direct?
lol you cant be serious....

[Scott Weber]

what else did Oliver direct?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000231/

[xllirikx]

lol you cant be serious....


its takes a lot to get me to watch a movie. and even at that point I don't care who directed it.

why is that so suprising?

its not much different from me not knowing who directed the last Brand New or Thursday CD (which I don't)

[xllirikx]

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000231/

i've been listening to that CD a lot. I love Pedro.

[Scott Weber]

i've been listening to that CD a lot. I love Pedro.
Good.

[DeadCityScars]

Am I the only one who thinks this movie is just...dumb? It looks like United 93, but instead of showing the events, it's exploiting them for emotional purposes. United 93 looks like a much more interesting/scary/emotional movie to me.

WTC looks like a hollywood movie with hollywood actors with a hollywood director with a hollywood plot etc. etc.

[fluke182]

End my ass. It's his first real Hollywood film and supposedly early buzz (and by early I mean before Wednesday) is Oscar, Oscar, Oscar is in his future. He has two things going for him - quality and emotion. United 93 is too small, this is the year of rewarding the people who take a chance and go for 9/11, and I think the people who are passionate about this movie will catch it a nomination. This movie is the right size, the right time, the right names. We shall see though. This is not his style, but after the shit he's done lately he did not have enough cred to his name to pull off another whackjob like Natural Born Killers or U-Turn.

[.lizzie.]

I think it's too soon. I really am not into the idea or supporting making profits off of this event. It's sickening.

[Scott Weber]

Serious question - when is it not too soon? It's been 5 years. It's not like this is coming out THAT quickly. I know it still seems like yesterday, but in reality it has been a long time.

[dashboard1190]

It's weird, I saw United 93 and absolutely loved it. Thought it was done to perfection. Yet, I have no interest in seeing this movie.

[DeadCityScars]

Serious question - when is it not too soon? It's been 5 years. It's not like this is coming out THAT quickly. I know it still seems like yesterday, but in reality it has been a long time.

You have to wait at least 23 years before you can poke fun at, or exploit a tragedy.

i.e. AIDs

[ColourandShape]

Serious question - when is it not too soon? It's been 5 years. It's not like this is coming out THAT quickly. I know it still seems like yesterday, but in reality it has been a long time.


Thats a good question....imo, I think once ground zero has been settled, once the tower is up, the memorial is up....even though thats like 10 years at the earliest. But I think making this movie while there is a still a huge hole in the ground makes it too soon. They haven't done anything to it yet, its a massive grave site that millions of New Yorkers see everyday. They don't need a movie to remind them of the images when they got an image like that. Theres no way to be emotionally over this moment unless something changes to that site, its just too painful a reminder.

I can't really think of another movie like that besides Pearl Harbor, but thats obviously not an issue of timing.

[dashboard1190]

Serious question - when is it not too soon? It's been 5 years. It's not like this is coming out THAT quickly. I know it still seems like yesterday, but in reality it has been a long time.

Excatly. I think that it's been plenty of time. I mean I think I read somewhere they're already making a Terry Schiavo movie, so it's been enough time.

[Broken Parachute]

I liked the look of it at first, but bow it looks kinda corny.

[Broken Parachute]

Serious question - when is it not too soon? It's been 5 years. It's not like this is coming out THAT quickly. I know it still seems like yesterday, but in reality it has been a long time.
It seems like it happened ages ago, I don't think it's too soon.

[ben pequeno]

isn't he donating a portion of the money to some of the victims families?

[Broken Parachute]

isn't he donating a portion of the money to some of the victims families?
That's what I heard.

[buysoap]

You have to wait at least 23 years before you can poke fun at, or exploit a tragedy.

i.e. AIDs

that's a high quality reference. "why did chicken cross road? because he have AIDS!!!"




in all seriousness though, too soon, too schmoon. United 93 came out and i saw a special on it featuring the families of people who were on the flight, and they all loved the idea the movie was made and loved the movie itself. if the two people who the movie is about are ok with the fact that it's made then that's that. we all saw 9/11 when it happened on tv, we can see it in theaters....

[YellowNovember]

It will always be to soon, pretty much.

I'm going to go see it tonight

[Adeniz19]

i don't think it's too soon i just think this looks like a horrible movie. nick cages mustache pisses me off haha

[Brownpants06]

Well, I was hoping Alexander would have been the end of Oliver Stone. That movie was AWFUL. I hope this puts the nail in the coffin.

[FrancesTheMute]

i won't see this simply because it looks like a bad movie.


and of that mtv thing i wanted to kill nic cage. he was trying to sound insightful but he just came off as an idiot.

[preppyak]

Am I the only one who thinks this movie is just...dumb? It looks like United 93, but instead of showing the events, it's exploiting them for emotional purposes. United 93 looks like a much more interesting/scary/emotional movie to me.

WTC looks like a hollywood movie with hollywood actors with a hollywood director with a hollywood plot etc. etc.
This is basically my exact contention....and while it sort of worked with Pearl Harbor, since it was 50 years later, it pissed people off less.

theres a special on mtv right now about it and i think Oliver and the actors with him addressed the issue of it being too soon to make the film and release it very well.

Truth is the story being told is the story of two survivors. I think they decide when it is right to tell their story or not.
No...I watched that special. They name dropped so many good movies in their...clearly he thinks he has created some form of high art...

And while, yes, in some form it is the survivors choice to re-tell their story, the fact that it's super-cheesed Hollywood form makes me think taht even though they claim to want to "tell the story straight", they will fail at that

[preppyak]

Serious question - when is it not too soon? It's been 5 years. It's not like this is coming out THAT quickly. I know it still seems like yesterday, but in reality it has been a long time.
I mean...it seems to early to use the events as a base point for whatever Hollywood garbage you want to peddle...and in turn, use that controversy to make $$.

Documentaries, etc....sure, go for it. But to exploit it...still too soon. I made this comparison before, but it holds true to what I am saying here. Pearl Harbor was a major US tragedy...but after 50 years or so, you can forget historical accuracy and add in whatever Hollywood drama bullshit you want...it might make a few VFW's mad...but that's it. Clearly it seems too soon to use the WTC as a basis for your buddy-hero-drama in that theory though.

At least be honest here...he really doesn't give a fuck about historical accuracy or "telling their story"...if you can watch Alexander and tell me either of those elements are even within Stone's repertoire, you're either watching the wrong movie or extremely narrow sighted.

If you want accuracy, pick a larger name actor from NY...so they can at least come close with the accent....not a guy from Long Beach who hack-jobs the hell out of it....and Cage does kill that accent.

Edit: and I want to further my reasoning here. Think of JFK, of Platoon, of Wall Street...of any "historical drama" that Stone has done. While they may feign going for accuracy and feel...they are all just peddling grounds for him and his issues with the world...and to use an event that is so close is risky even within his framework. Sure, he got away with proximity in Platoon, but the reaction to the war was mixed anyway...and he was still working well as a director.

He's clearly fallen far from his peak there...and now he's tempting fate with a storyline so close to heart. If it's a genuinely bad movie...whihc it looks like...he will hurt his career badly

[A picasso blue]

"It's too soon"

give me a break. look at 24, its one of the most successful shows on TV right now, and a lot of episodes deal with Muslims terrorists.

anyway i dont dont want it to be made because its exploitative and it looks like it sucks ass

[preppyak]

"It's too soon"

give me a break. look at 24, its one of the most successful shows on TV right now, and a lot of episodes deal with Muslims terrorists.

anyway i dont dont want it to be made because its exploitative and it looks like it sucks ass
glad you took the time to read anything that was typed...as these two points are what I just addressed.

It's not too soon for a movie about it...it's too soon for an exploitave movie that doesn't care about the event so much as the reaction it will draw.

[A picasso blue]

glad you took the time to read anything that was typed...as these two points are what I just addressed.

It's not too soon for a movie about it...it's too soon for an exploitave movie that doesn't care about the event so much as the reaction it will draw.
yeah but your post was long and i'm tired..

[preppyak]

yeah but your post was long and i'm tired..

understandable...it is quite the long-winded rant

[gilatron5000]

I'm not exaclty a fan of Oliver Stone, and the whole thing seems like a "RIPEED FROM THE HEADLINES" episode of Law & Order. I'll pass.

[Robb]

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51367

[Broken Parachute]

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51367
That's the most retarded theory I've seen.

[Scott Weber]

That's the most retarded theory I've seen.
It's The Onion, dude. haha.

[preppyak]

That's the most retarded theory I've seen.

hah...it's a stab at JFK really...with a few other references thrown in

[smokedsanity]

Well, I was hoping Alexander would have been the end of Oliver Stone. That movie was AWFUL. I hope this puts the nail in the coffin.

I'm glad someone said it.

[fenderbassist]

i was watching this movie special for this on MTV and people on it asked "if it was too soon" and the guy thats the movie is based on bought some good points to the table

[Broken Parachute]

hah...it's a stab at JFK really...with a few other references thrown in
hahaha

It's The Onion, dude. haha.
I just realized that when you said it hahaha I should have looked at the link.

[radiofriendly]

just got back. not bad, but not good. just as cheesy as i was expecting. actually very little actual trade center. much of the movie was between the two men and their families. i liked that. interested to see what other people thought.

[preppyak]

These reviews are off the wall

"It's about Americans doing their jobs. It's about Americans seeing each other only as Americans. It's about the real promise of America, fulfilled."-- Stephen Whitty (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/author-1268/)
NEWARK STAR-LEDGER (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/source-1374/)

I find that one to be a bit much...in terms of it's message

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/tomatoes/fresh.gif (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1158187/reviews.php?critic=columns&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1530549) "Oliver Stone has taken a public tragedy and turned it into something at once genuinely stirring and terribly sad."
(http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1158187/reviews.php?critic=columns&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1530549)-- A.O. Scott (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/author-988/)
NEW YORK TIMES (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/source-337/)

Wait, it wasn't already genuinely stirring or terribly sad?

Every negative review seems to hit home on the same point...and it's the one I was afraid of this movie being

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/tomatoes/rotten.gif (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1158187/reviews.php?critic=columns&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1530668) "World Trade Center eventually stops feeling like a remarkable story of survival and more like a Hallmark Network presentation."
(http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1158187/reviews.php?critic=columns&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1530668)-- Pete Vonder Haar (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/author-7915/)
FILM THREAT (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/source-174/)

I really didn't want to see this movie...but, now maybe I'll have to watch it to verify which side is right. The general consensus seems to be "decent...but, far from Oscar-worthy", which I can handle

[Ratherbedead22]

ive seen nothing but good reviews so far.

[notoaststereo]

i think its a little too soon for the movie... but oliver is a smart man... i mean mel gibson did so well with his Passion of the Christ people see it because of the shock factor.

[Shatter590]

i saw it, and honestly...i dunno, I was expecting something else, like when I saw United 93, but still, it wasnt bad nor distasteful, just a story of human kindness and unity in the face of tremendous adversity and strife. Nothing I havent seen before.

[radiofriendly]

i can really agree with the hallmark factor to this. toward the end there were some moments that were just too trite, and didn't fit well the great way it started out. the ending was two minutes too long, and it was obviously a silly attempt to pull some heartstrings. it had no purpose other than to conjure a cheap tear from the audience. this movie started out with so much potential, but really hit a brick wall not too far in. i loved the supporting characters though.