Rank your top 15 NFL skill position players

[xbrokendownx]

i know espn did the ultimate depth chart thing and i ranked my WRs in another thread, so that got me to thinking...how would everyone rank the top QBs, RBs, WR, TEs?

Quarterback

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Running Back

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Wide Receiver

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Tight End

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

[livethesounds]

this should be fun....

[FondestMemory]

Quarterback

1. (tie) joey harrington
1. (tie) tom brady
2. peyton manning
3. ben roethlisberger
4. carson palmer
5. matt hasselbeck
6. jake delhomme
7. donovan mcnabb
8. daunte culpeper
9. byron leftwich
10. brett favre
11. jake plummer
12. trent green
13. kurt warner
14. drew brees
15. michael vick

Running Back

1. ladanian tomlinson
2. shaun alexander
3. edgerin james
4. larry johnson
5. tiki barber
6. clinton portis
7. ronnie brown
8. cadillac williams
9. warrick dunn
10. domanick davis
11. fred taylor
12. jamal lewis
13. ahmon green
14. deuce mcalister
15. lamont jordan

Wide Receiver

1. steve smith
2. randy moss
3. terrell owens
4. marvin harrison
5. torry holt
6. larry fitzgerald
7. chad johnson
8. andre johnson
9. anquan boldin
10. hines ward
11. chris chambers
12. reggie wayne
13. rod smith
14. santana moss
15. plaxico burress

Tight End

1. antonio gates
2. tony gonzalez
3. alge crumpler
4. todd heap
5. heath miller
6. jeremy shockey
7. jason witten
8. vernon davis
9. bubba franks
10. dallas clarke

these aren't ranked on how well i think they'll do this year, but by who i think is the most skilled at their position.

[xbrokendownx]

Quarterback

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Carson Palmer
4. Donovan Mcnabb
5. Matt Hasselbeck
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Donovan McNabb
8. Marc Bulger
9. Trent Green
10. Daunte Culpepper
11. Eli Manning
12. Jake Delhomme
13. Jake Plummer
14. Brett Favre
15. Drew Bledsoe

Running Back

1. LaDainian Tomlinson
2. Shaun Alexander
3. Clinton Portis
4. Edgerrin James
5. Larry Johnson
6. Ronnie Brown
7. Tiki Barber
8. Rudi Johnson
9. Steven Jackson
10. Cadillac Williams
11. Willis McGahee
12. Brian Westbrook
13. Kevin Jones
14. Julius Jones
15. LaMont Jordan

Wide Receiver

1. Chad Johnson
2. Steve Smith
3. Torry Holt
4. Marvin Harrison
5. Larry Fitzgerald
6. Terrell Owens
7. Randy Moss
8. Chris Chambers
9. Santana Moss
10. Hines Ward
11. Anquan Boldin
12. Rod Smith
13. Javon Walker
14. Reggie Wayne
15. Plaxico Burress

Tight End

1. Antonio Gates
2. Tony Gonzalez
3. Jeremy Shockey
4. Jason Witten
5. Todd Heap
6. Chris Cooley
7. Heath Miller
8. Alge Crumpler
9. Randy McMichael
10. Jerramy Stevens
11. LJ Smith
12. Dallas Clark
13. Ben Watson
14. Jermaine Wiggins
15. Erron Kinney

[Chriz2z]

Quarterback

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Carson Palmer
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Matt Hasselbeck
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Drew Brees
8. Jake Delhomme
9. Byron Leftwich
10. Jake Plummer
11. Marc Bulger
12. Michael Vick
13. Trent Green
14. Drew Bledsoe
15. Brett Favre

Running Back

1. LaDainian Tomlinson
2. Larry Johnson
3. Shaun Alexander
4. Tiki Barber
5. Edgerrin James
6. Clinton Portis
7. Rudi Johnson
8. Willis McGahee
9. Brian Westbrook
10. Carnell "Cadillac" Williams
11. Ronnie Brown
12. Steven Jackson
13. Warrick Dunn
14. Domanick Davis
15. Deuce McAllister

Wide Receiver

1. Marvin Harrison
2. Torry Holt
3. Steve Smith
4. Chad Johnson
5. Terrell Owens (purely on-field talent)
6. Randy Moss
7. Hines Ward
8. Larry Fitzgerald
9. Anquan Boldin
10. Roy Williams
11. Santana Moss
12. Chris Chambers
13. Reggie Wayne
14. Plaxico Burress
15. Joey Galloway

Tight End

1. Antonio Gates
2. Jeremy Shockey
3. Tony Gonzalez
4. Todd Heap
5. Alge Crumpler
6. Dallas Clark
7. Jason Witten
8. Heath Miller
9. Chris Cooley
10. Randy McMichael
11. Jermaine Wiggins
12. Vernon Davis
13. Marcedes Lewis
14. Joe Klopfenstein
15. Kellen Winslow Jr.

Damn... that thing was long.
I don't have Sunday Ticket... so most of this stuff is just the stuff I've seen in nationally televised games and what I saw in college.

[livethesounds]

Quarterback

1. Peyton Manning - Colts
2. Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks
3. Tom Brady - Patriots
4. Carson Palmer - Bengals
5. Jake DelHomme - Panthers
6. Ben Rothlisberger - Steelers
7. Donavan McNabb - Eagles
8. Drew Breeze - Saints
9. Dante Cullpepper - Dolphins
10. Trent Green - Chiefs
11. Bret Favre - Packers
12. Byron Leftwitch - Jaguars
13. Drew Bledsoe - Cowboys
14. Eli Manning - Giants
15. Jake Plummer - Broncos

Running Back

1. Shawn Alexander - Seahawks
2. Ladanian Tomlinson - Chargers
3. Larry Johnson - Chiefs
4. Clinton Portis - Redskins
5. Jamal Lewis - Ravens
6. Willis McGahee - Bills
7. Edgerin James - Cardinals
8. DeSean Foster - Panthers
9. Deuce McAllister - Saints
10. Cadillac Williams - Buccaneers
11. Tiki Barber - Giants
12. Steven Jackson - Rams
13. Corey Dillon - Patriots
14. Ronnie Brown - Dolphins
15. Rudi Johnson - Bengals

Wide Receiver

1. Chad Johnson - Bengals
2. Marvin Harrison - Colts
3. Steve Smith - Panthers
4. Torry Holt - Rams
5. Terrell Owens - Cowboys
6. Randy Moss - Raiders
7. Javon Walker - Broncos
8. Chris Chambers - Dolphins
9. Heins Ward - Steelers
10. Larry Fitzgerald - Cardinals
11. Rod Smith - Broncos
12. Donte Stallworth - Saints
13. Andre Johnson - Texans
14. Deion Branch - Patriots
15. Santana Moss - Redskins

Tight End

1. Antonio Gates - Chargers
2. Tony Gonzales - Cheifs
3. Todd Heap - Ravens
4. Jeremy Shockey - Giants
5. Dallas Clark - Colts
6. Ben Watson - Patirots
7. Jeremy Stevens - Seahawks
8. Algae Crumpler - Falcons
9. Jason Witten - Cowboys
10. Randy McMicheal - Dolphins
11. Heath Miller - Steelers
12. Vernon Davis - 49ers
13. Ben Troupe - Titans
14. Chris Cooley - Redskins
15. Bubba Franks - Packers

[TBSowns524]

QB
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Carson Palmer
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Donovan McNabb
6. Matt Hasselbeck
7. Trent Green
8. Daunte Culpepper
9. Jake Delhomme
10. Drew Brees
11. Byron Leftwich
12. Jake Plummer
13. Eli Manning
14. Marc Bulger
15. Michael Vick

RB:
1. Larry Johnson
2. LaDanian Tomlinson
3. Shaun Alexander
4. Edgerrin James
5. Tiki Barber
6. Stephen Jackson
7. Willis McGahee
8. Cadillac Williams
9. Deuce McCallister
10. Ahman Green
11. Jamal Lewis
12. Rudi Johnson
13. Fred Taylor
14. Domanick Davis
15. Reggie Bush
16. Corey Dillon

WR's

1. Steve Smith
2. Chad Johnson
3. T.O.
4. Tory Holt
5. Marvin Harrison
6. Randy Moss
7. Larry Fitzgerald
8. Hines Ward
9. Javon Walker
10. Reggie Wayne
11. Santana Moss
12. Darrell Jackson
13. Anquain Boldin
14. Chris Chambers
15. Andre Johnson

TE

1. Antonio Gates
2. Tony Gonzalez
3. Jeremy Shockey
4. Jason Witten
5. Todd Heap
6. Alge Crumpler
7. Heath Miller
8. Chris Cooley
9. Randy McMichael
10. Ben Watson
11. Jeramy Stevens
12. Dallas Clark
13. L.J. Smith

[Scott Weber]

Hasselbeck is a better overall quarterback than Ben Roethisberger at this point in their careers. I was suprised to see only 1 of you put Darrell Jackson on your top 15 receivers. There is a lot of east coast bias in a lot of these lists.

[Jesse2]

Hasselbeck is a better overall quarterback than Ben Roethisberger at this point in their careers.

true story

[justinevans]

few questions...

do we do it by fantasy wise, how they would all do with the best team in each situation.

like how qbs would do with the best wrs, the rbs would do with the best line, etc, etc.

[Chriz2z]

Hasselbeck is a better overall quarterback than Ben Roethisberger at this point in their careers. I was suprised to see only 1 of you put Darrell Jackson on your top 15 receivers. There is a lot of east coast bias in a lot of these lists.
I'll admit that.

[Scott Weber]

I'll admit that.
we're used to it out here.

[xbrokendownx]

ok i may be a homer, but to not have ronnie brown in your top SIXTEEN is blasphemy



ps justin your new avatar rules

[justinevans]

ok i may be a homer, but to not have ronnie brown in your top SIXTEEN is blasphemy



ps justin your new avatar rules

I know, I know I may add some more girls later.

[Chriz2z]

we're used to it out here.
Sorry

[zizou1790]

Hasselbeck is a better overall quarterback than Ben Roethisberger at this point in their careers. I was suprised to see only 1 of you put Darrell Jackson on your top 15 receivers. There is a lot of east coast bias in a lot of these lists.

i would Take Ben over Hasselbeck anyday of the week

[justinevans]

Quarterback

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Donovan Mcnabb
4. Carson Palmer
5. Matt Hasselback
6. Trent Green
7. Big Ben
8. Jake Delhomme
9 Brett Favre
10. Drew Brees
11. Daunte Culpepper
12. Byron Leftwich
13. Steve McNair
14. Marc Bulger
15. Eli Manning

Running Back

1. LT
2. Shaun Alexander
3. Larry Johnson
4. Tiki Barber
5. Edge
6. Clinton Portis
7. Stephen Jackson
8. Rudi Johnson
9 Cadillac
10. McGahee
11. Deuce
12. Brian Westbrook
13. Dominic Davis
14. Warrick Dunn
15. Ronnie Brown

Wide Receiver

1. Steve Smith
2. Chad Johnson
3. TO
4. Larry Fitzgerald
5. Torry Holt
6. Harrison
7. Boldin
8. Santana
9 Hines Ward
10. Chris Chambers
11. Randy Moss
12. Rod Smith
13. Donald Driver
14. Javon Walker
15. Plax

Tight End

1. Gates
2. Shockey
3. Gonzalez
4. Heap
5. Crumpler
6. LJ Smith
7. Cooley
8. Witten
9 McMichael
10. Heath Miller
11. Dallas Clark
12. Putzier
13. Wiggins
14. Watson
15. Kinney

[bigmike]

Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington




/thread.

[justinevans]

Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington
Joey Harrington




/thread.

THE ONLY REASON HE IS IN THE LEAGUE WAS BECAUSE AJ FEELY GOT HURT AT OREGON

[Chriz2z]

A.J. Feeley*

[xbrokendownx]

THE ONLY REASON HE IS IN THE LEAGUE WAS BECAUSE AJ FEELY GOT HURT AT OREGON




oh its over


youre going to hell

[bigmike]

THE ONLY REASON HE IS IN THE LEAGUE WAS BECAUSE AJ FEELY GOT HURT AT OREGON
Well it's good to know that AJ Feely realized Joey's greatness and allowed him the starting job by "getting hurt".


but seriously, if Matt Castle can get to the NFL after not starting a game since high school, i'm pretty sure Joey would've made it, too.

[justinevans]

Well it's good to know that AJ Feely realized Joey's greatness and allowed him the starting job by "getting hurt".


but seriously, if Matt Castle can get to the NFL after not starting a game since high school, i'm pretty sure Joey would've made it, too.

true.

[justinevans]

A.J. Feeley*

he sucks so bad he only deserves to have 2 e's in his name instead of 3....but hey we got Reggie Brown for him...Thanks fins =)

[allisterkid]

So paris1sinflames... which player do you think Roy Williams will destroy this season on the Eagles? My money's on Westbrook this time around.

[justinevans]

So paris1sinflames... which player do you think Roy Williams will destroy this season on the Eagles? My money's on Westbrook this time around.

Westbrook is already out so.

LJ Smith will knock the most overrated safety out.

[allisterkid]

Westbrook still hasn't recovered from last seasons injury? Or did he re-aggravate it? I truly didn't realize that. Anyhow, good luck this season... TOUGH. DIVISION. THIS. SEASON. (NFC East)

[justinevans]

Westbrook still hasn't recovered from last seasons injury? Or did he re-aggravate it? I truly didn't realize that. Anyhow, good luck this season... TOUGH. DIVISION. THIS. SEASON. (NFC East)

nah just a sprained foot and because well Terrell Owens made the Eagles preseason this year, he missed the last game...

Eagles played Sunday, then Thursday, then next Thursday, than Friday, Friday

5 fucking games.

Why doesn't the NFL just move the Hall of Fame game up to the following week and play the game on Saturday night and other teams on Sunday?

[Scott Weber]

i would Take Ben over Hasselbeck anyday of the week

Why? Most NFL rankings and experts would disagree with you on a pure QB to QB comparison.

[justinevans]

Why? Most NFL rankings and experts would disagree with you on a pure QB to QB comparison.

yeah, so, I think to truly do this, you have to think outside of how these qb do with their own teams, but how they would do when their #s would be all in the same situation.

I think Big Ben could be better than Hasselback

[allisterkid]

Westbrook is already out so.

LJ Smith will knock the most overrated safety out.

P.S. - You wish L.J. Smith was a better tight end than Jason Witten. ;)

[justinevans]

P.S. - You wish L.J. Smith was a better tight end than Jason Witten. ;)

he'll have better numbers this year.

[allisterkid]

Well I have to head to work now, but finally after all these years here and only a couple hundred posts, I realize that THIS is the forum to go to. The sports forum. I'll see you guys all around soon.

[justinevans]

Well I have to head to work now, but finally after all these years here and only a couple hundred posts, I realize that THIS is the forum to go to. The sports forum. I'll see you guys all around soon.

welcome.

[Scott Weber]

yeah, so, I think to truly do this, you have to think outside of how these qb do with their own teams, but how they would do when their #s would be all in the same situation.

I think Big Ben could be better than Hasselback
Why do you think that? He makes more bad decisions (an actual stat calculated by ESPN)

[justinevans]

Why do you think that? He makes more bad decisions (an actual stat calculated by ESPN)

sorry I wrote it wrong, it is the other way around...I ranked hasselback 5, big ben 7

[Scott Weber]

sorry I wrote it wrong, it is the other way around...I ranked hasselback 5, big ben 7
Good. Haha.

[bigmike]

Good. Haha.
Everyone knows that Kitna/McCown > everyone else in the league. this isn't obvious?

kid in the maurice clarett thread used a racial slur if you want to check it out.

[livethesounds]

Everyone knows that Kitna/McCown > everyone else in the league. this isn't obvious?

kid in the maurice clarett thread used a racial slur if you want to check it out.

hahaha @ your off topic comment.

[bigmike]

hahaha @ your off topic comment.
haha, well scott said to let him know when someone's out of line. if he wants to punish me to for basically saying i wish he would die, then so be it. but whatever.

[Scott Weber]

Everyone knows that Kitna/McCown > everyone else in the league. this isn't obvious?

kid in the maurice clarett thread used a racial slur if you want to check it out.
link?

[dekdog11]

This is too much work for me haha. But I agree with those that said Hasselback is better than Roethlisberger. I can't wait for fantasy season to start.

[bigmike]

link?
His post:
http://absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=3997788&postcount=115


My post:
http://absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=3997999&postcount=117
i was probably out of line, too. And I'll admit that.

[dekdog11]

His post:
http://absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=3997788&postcount=115


My post:
http://absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=3997999&postcount=117
i was probably out of line, too. And I'll admit that.

nah i thought your comment was actually right on target with what i was thinking

[Scott Weber]

His post:
http://absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=3997788&postcount=115


My post:
http://absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=3997999&postcount=117
i was probably out of line, too. And I'll admit that.
got it.

[bigmike]

got it.
alright, thanks.

[FondestMemory]

Why do you think that? He makes more bad decisions (an actual stat calculated by ESPN)

whoa whoa whoa. i don't buy that stat for one second. where'd you get that? i want links.

i've watched every snap ben's taken as a pro, and i would never ever label him a poor decision maker. yeah, he throws across the field a lot, which is a big no no, but he only does it when he knows he can make something of it. and he's got the arm to make it work. more times than not it goes for a huge play and rarely ends badly.

even most of his interceptions, i'm willing to bet about 85% of them, come from poor throws as opposed to bad reads. he makes the right reads and knows where to throw the ball, but sometimes just doesn't get it there. i'd rather take interceptions from bad throws than bad reads, cause bad throws are flukes most of the time. reading defenses wrong could lead to a long day.

i understand saying hasselbeck's better. i don't agree, but it's a very legitimate argument. i won't debate that, cause i think they're so close it wouldn't do any good. but to question his decision making i will debate.

[justinevans]

whoa whoa whoa. i don't buy that stat for one second. where'd you get that? i want links.

i've watched every snap ben's taken as a pro, and i would never ever label him a poor decision maker. yeah, he throws across the field a lot, which is a big no no, but he only does it when he knows he can make something of it. and he's got the arm to make it work. more times than not it goes for a huge play and rarely ends badly.

even most of his interceptions, i'm willing to bet about 85% of them, come from poor throws as opposed to bad reads. he makes the right reads and knows where to throw the ball, but sometimes just doesn't get it there. i'd rather take interceptions from bad throws than bad reads, cause bad throws are flukes most of the time. reading defenses wrong could lead to a long day.

i understand saying hasselbeck's better. i don't agree, but it's a very legitimate argument. i won't debate that, cause i think they're so close it wouldn't do any good. but to question his decision making i will debate.


It was on Espn Insider I think.

[FondestMemory]

It was on Espn Insider I think.

i still wanna see it. seems like total nonsense to me.

[justinevans]

i still wanna see it. seems like total nonsense to me.

I can't find it.

[Scott Weber]

It was on Espn Insider I think.
Yeah, it was. It was on the front page of ESPN.com a few days ago and they had a free preview for it.

[FondestMemory]

Yeah, it was. It was on the front page of ESPN.com a few days ago and they had a free preview for it.

hmmmm. i wanna read it. gonna see if i can't find it.

that just seems silly to me.

[Scott Weber]

whoa whoa whoa. i don't buy that stat for one second. where'd you get that? i want links.

i've watched every snap ben's taken as a pro, and i would never ever label him a poor decision maker. yeah, he throws across the field a lot, which is a big no no, but he only does it when he knows he can make something of it. and he's got the arm to make it work. more times than not it goes for a huge play and rarely ends badly.

even most of his interceptions, i'm willing to bet about 85% of them, come from poor throws as opposed to bad reads. he makes the right reads and knows where to throw the ball, but sometimes just doesn't get it there. i'd rather take interceptions from bad throws than bad reads, cause bad throws are flukes most of the time. reading defenses wrong could lead to a long day.

i understand saying hasselbeck's better. i don't agree, but it's a very legitimate argument. i won't debate that, cause i think they're so close it wouldn't do any good. but to question his decision making i will debate.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2542482&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.es pn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fcolumns %2fstory%3fcolumnist%3djoyner_kc%26 id%3d2542482

(by the way this also lists Hasselbeck as a bad decision maker, just not as bad as Big Ben)

Ben Roethlisberger: Big Ben's 2005 season provides proof that you can win despite having high bad decision percentages. Roethlisberger ranked dead last in the bad decision percentage category and had the fifth-highest weighted bad decision percentage. He was able to get away with those elevated percentages because he had by far the highest yards per pass attempt in 2005 (9.1 yards, the only QB to top the 9-yard mark). If the YPA number drops at all in 2006, Roethlisberger's bad decision percentages will need to show improvement.

The metric is somewhat explained here (should be free to view) - Past bad decision maker "winners" include Michael Vick.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2543073&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.es pn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fcolumns %2fstory%3fcolumnist%3djoyner_kc%26 id%3d2543073

[FondestMemory]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2542482&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.es pn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fcolumns %2fstory%3fcolumnist%3djoyner_kc%26 id%3d2542482

i found it.

it's total nonsense. i'm sorry, throwing into coverage when you know you can beat the coverage isn't a mistake, it's ballsy. just the whole thing seems like somebody trying to hard to create a snap. you get points for throwing the ball while being tackled? that's not the same for everybody. ben's big, if somebody's wrapped around his legs, he can get it off easier than a smaller, less physical qb.

i don't know. just seems like a bunch of bs.

and i slo think it's funny that you brought that up in an argument saying hasselbeck was better than ben, yet hasselbeck didn't score very well either. and he's in the west coast.

but, in short, i wouldn't consider either of them poor decision makers.

edit: we were typing these at the same time.

[Scott Weber]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2542482&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.es pn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fcolumns %2fstory%3fcolumnist%3djoyner_kc%26 id%3d2542482

i found it.

it's total nonsense. i'm sorry, throwing into coverage when you know you can beat the coverage isn't a mistake, it's ballsy. just the whole thing seems like somebody trying to hard to create a snap. you get points for throwing the ball while being tackled? that's not the same for everybody. ben's big, if somebody's wrapped around his legs, he can get it off easier than a smaller, less physical qb.

i don't know. just seems like a bunch of bs.

and i slo think it's funny that you brought that up in an argument saying hasselbeck was better than ben, yet hasselbeck didn't score very well either. and he's in the west coast.

but, in short, i wouldn't consider either of them poor decision makers.

edit: we were typing these at the same time.
I think Hasselbeck makes a lot of bad decisions, I never said he didn't. Of course, when you're good, you can make bad decisions and turn them into big points. I just think it's funny that Ben scored worst in percentage. That doesn't mean he's a BAD quarterback, don't misconstrue it. It basically means that he makes a ton of risky decisions that could really hurt his team.

[bigmike]

I think Hasselbeck makes a lot of bad decisions, I never said he didn't. Of course, when you're good, you can make bad decisions and turn them into big points. I just think it's funny that Ben scored worst in percentage. That doesn't mean he's a BAD quarterback, don't misconstrue it. It basically means that he makes a ton of risky decisions that could really hurt his team.
basically brett favre minus the unreal velocity.

[FondestMemory]

I think Hasselbeck makes a lot of bad decisions, I never said he didn't. Of course, when you're good, you can make bad decisions and turn them into big points. I just think it's funny that Ben scored worst in percentage. That doesn't mean he's a BAD quarterback, don't misconstrue it. It basically means that he makes a ton of risky decisions that could really hurt his team.

yeah, i haven't watched a lot of hasselbeck, but from what i've seen he never seemed like a poor one. again though, haven't watched a lot of him.

i just think it's a silly system. like i said, ben makes risky throws, but that's because he has the arm and accuracy to pull them off. i guess a lot of his throws could be considered bad decisions, but they rarely end up hurting. so i guess i have a hard time making something negative out of that. the throws he makes may be poor decisions for others, but he attempts throws he knows he can make. i don't know.

and i think it's definitely a flawed system if favre didn't come in last. i love the dude, but his decisions last year were horrible, and it showed from his turnover numbers.

[Scott Weber]

yeah, i haven't watched a lot of hasselbeck, but from what i've seen he never seemed like a poor one. again though, haven't watched a lot of him.

i just think it's a silly system. like i said, ben makes risky throws, but that's because he has the arm and accuracy to pull them off. i guess a lot of his throws could be considered bad decisions, but they rarely end up hurting. so i guess i have a hard time making something negative out of that. the throws he makes may be poor decisions for others, but he attempts throws he knows he can make. i don't know.

and i think it's definitely a flawed system if favre didn't come in last. i love the dude, but his decisions last year were horrible, and it showed from his turnover numbers.
You only think it's silly because you're a Steelers fan...sorry. I love the 'Hawks but it's nothing to get bent up about. You're taking it personal. It's impossible to take factors like weight and arm strength into play here - it's a STATISTIC so take it as that. QB's completion percentage doesn't take into effect how bad your WR's hands are...yet we rely on that as a key statistic all the time when it's not perfect. It's just a stat. this is no different.

[FondestMemory]

You only think it's silly because you're a Steelers fan...sorry. I love the 'Hawks but it's nothing to get bent up about. You're taking it personal. It's impossible to take factors like weight and arm strength into play here - it's a STATISTIC so take it as that. QB's completion percentage doesn't take into effect how bad your WR's hands are...yet we rely on that as a key statistic all the time when it's not perfect. It's just a stat. this is no different.

no, it's not just cause i'm a steelers fan and because i disagree.

i just think it's silly because this dude made up this stat with a scoring system that doesn't really make any sense.

no stat is perfect, but most of them make sense at least. i'm not really taking it personal, i just think it's dumb. most of the stats that scientists create are.

[Scott Weber]

no, it's not just cause i'm a steelers fan and because i disagree.

i just think it's silly because this dude made up this stat with a scoring system that doesn't really make any sense.

no stat is perfect, but most of them make sense at least. i'm not really taking it personal, i just think it's dumb. most of the stats that scientists create are.
ooooook dude. like slugging percentage? is that a stupid metric stat as well? i don't think it's the best, it's just a stat that measures risky decisions that could result in turnovers.

[FondestMemory]

ooooook dude. like slugging percentage? is that a stupid metric stat as well? i don't think it's the best, it's just a stat that measures risky decisions that could result in turnovers.

i guess i just don't see the need for a stat that measures could have been turnovers when there's a stat that keeps turnovers.

metric stats work fine in baseball, there's just not really a need for them in football.

[Scott Weber]

i guess i just don't see the need for a stat that measures could have been turnovers when there's a stat that keeps turnovers.

metric stats work fine in baseball, there's just not really a need for them in football.
But some turnovers aren't the quarterback's fault. A pass could have bounced off a receiver's hand and ended in an interception - happens all the time. It goes both ways, you know? There's just one that we accept as standard convention. No statistics tell the whole story.

[FondestMemory]

But some turnovers aren't the quarterback's fault. A pass could have bounced off a receiver's hand and ended in an interception - happens all the time. It goes both ways, you know? There's just one that we accept as standard convention. No statistics tell the whole story.

i agree. not all stats are dead on, and a lot of them are misleading. i guess that's why i dislike the ones like this one, that don't really prove anything.