Help Cartel

[Jason Tate]

Cartel (http://www.cartelrocks.com) has been in the top 15 for the past few days on TRL; your vote (http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/trl/series.jhtml) can help get them in the top 10.

[druck]

it's beginning.

[FrostedFlames]

I don't think this video is that great. I also think they could have chosen a better song for their single. If they did that, they would be 5 or higher by now. They will probably still make the countdown though.

[mrzippo3]

I don't find "Honestly" to be a very good.. is this what some consider their best work?

[Dashy]

Not exactly their best song but it is one of the catchiest. The TRL audience will eat it up. Just keep voting and get their asses on the countdown.

[YourMusicSucks]

I can't figure out how to vote. fucking MTV. Post a direct link?

[shes.a.ghost]

I wish they would get thier old bassplayer back. he looked sweet on stage. the new guy looks like he hates thier music.

[domesticyeti]

say anything (else) would've made a better single, but i'll give this my vote.

[rcrook]

i have mixed emotions about bands on trl...i am glad they are being successful but it just creates unwanted 13 years olds at their shows.

[brentkid]

I don't know if they'll blow up with this song. Either way, I have their backs.

[Jason Tate]

I don't think this video is that great. I also think they could have chosen a better song for their single. If they did that, they would be 5 or higher by now. They will probably still make the countdown though.

You have no idea how the music industry works - if you for a second think picking a different song would get them at #5 on the countdown, you're out of your mind.

I don't find "Honestly" to be a very good.. is this what some consider their best work?

I don't think anyone considers that song to be their best work.

[UltimoScenester]

Their song isn't the best, but I'm in the video so I'm compelled to vote like crazy. Plus Will is one of the nicest people I've met at a show.

I wish 13 year olds didn't get hooked and start coming to their shows, but if that gets them success then more power to them for sure.

[TheGoodnightMoon]

They're finally getting the credit they deserve for being one of the best new pop acts these days. And Honestly is a perfect single.

[RiCCioLi]

Rob Hitt cracks me up!

[TheDaveCarlson]

heres the link. http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/trl/series.jhtml

clicking the link jason put up wont work. mtv.com changes the link after you click the above link. you'll see what i mean.

[Jason Tate]

heres the link. http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/trl/series.jhtml

clicking the link jason put up wont work. mtv.com changes the link after you click the above link. you'll see what i mean.
Douche bags - I hate MTV.com. Editing my post.

[Ruggiero2oo8]

it's beginning.

oh, it's begun.

[chcougar1]

yeah i keep tuning in to see if theyve made the countdown but if I dont see them at 10, 9, or 8 I turn off TRL because I cant stand it hahah and I know they wont be higher than that right now...I did watch the episode with Justin Timberlake though ahha

I also agree that Say Anything (Else) would be a good choice for the next single if Honestly doesnt make them explode....I'm kinda not wanting them to get big though because I think it will take a couple months (after the NFG tour) and that means Chroma will get more exposure, which means we wont get a new Cartel release until LATE 2007

[Baconrocks]

13 year olds were MADE for this band like Adam Lazzara was made for J-14. Honestly...hahaha bad pun... the lead singer looks like Aaron Carter so they have a 60% chance of making it big.

[mrzippo3]

13 year olds were MADE for this band like Adam Lazzara was made for J-14. Honestly...hahaha bad pun... the lead singer looks like Aaron Carter so they have a 60% chance of making it big.

haha he does look like Aaron Carter

[UltimoScenester]

13 year olds were MADE for this band like Adam Lazzara was made for J-14. Honestly...hahaha bad pun... the lead singer looks like Aaron Carter so they have a 60% chance of making it big.

Yeah he talked about that AP. He's trying to escape that look, but the only way he will is if he ashlee simpsons his face

[FrostedFlames]

You have no idea how the music industry works - if you for a second think picking a different song would get them at #5 on the countdown, you're out of your mind.


Maybe I don't, but it is my opinion that if they chose a better single, that more people would vote for it. If they are in the top 15 now, without have a great video or their best single, than I would think they would be higher up with a better video/song.

I assure you, I am not out of my mind, Jason. That is only my opinion. I don't work in the music industry, Im a college student. You clearly know more than I do about the music industry, so how about explaining to me why I am mistaken, rather than telling me I am "out of my mind".

[tedE]

oh, it's begun.

I'd really like whatever you're smoking, because its lasted a long time.

Release of Chroma : These guys are going to blow up!
Re-Release of Chroma: These guys are going to blow up!
Release of "Honestly" video: These guys are going to blow up!

Hell, Acceptance is dead (RIP) and people are still like, "Man, they would have blown up!"

[h0merg0mez]

I don't think its even their catchiest song.

[h0merg0mez]

I never thought anything of Acceptance, but Cartel totally has the potential. As do the Matches.

[StartingLine182]

I hope they get huge. Ive seen them twice in the past year and the whole band has been nothing but nice. At Warped Tour a little over a week ago Will asked everyone to come over after while they sign so he could meet them. Best of luck.

[skeeter988]

I'd really like whatever you're smoking, because its lasted a long time.

Release of Chroma : These guys are going to blow up!
Re-Release of Chroma: These guys are going to blow up!
Release of "Honestly" video: These guys are going to blow up!

Hell, Acceptance is dead (RIP) and people are still like, "Man, they would have blown up!"

thankyou
it's catchy music
good looking singer
and everyone on this site says it
"it's beggining"
way to go out on a fucking limb

[NameTaken69]

i really hope they get huge. i might have to go against my morals and vote for fucking trl, but its worth it.

[bbelair]

I actually love "Honestly", it's probably one of my favorite songs from the record, and I think that it's definitely the best pick for their first single. They have so many songs that could be singles, but "Say Anything Else" would be another good single, as would "If I Fail".

[bbelair]

I don't think its even their catchiest song.

Pretty much every one of their songs is catchy, but you can't deny that the chorus in honestly is insanely catchy.

[Ruggiero2oo8]

I'd really like whatever you're smoking, because its lasted a long time.

Release of Chroma : These guys are going to blow up!
Re-Release of Chroma: These guys are going to blow up!
Release of "Honestly" video: These guys are going to blow up!

Hell, Acceptance is dead (RIP) and people are still like, "Man, they would have blown up!"

:efu:

[chcougar1]

Can you guys imagine the video that could be made for "Save Us"? Seriously, it could be amazing.

But it will never happen because they rarely play the damn song at shows

[PopPunkKid]

I'd really like whatever you're smoking, because its lasted a long time.

Release of Chroma : These guys are going to blow up!
Re-Release of Chroma: These guys are going to blow up!
Release of "Honestly" video: These guys are going to blow up!

Hell, Acceptance is dead (RIP) and people are still like, "Man, they would have blown up!"


Agreed, people shouldn't try to figure out exactly when their going to "blow up", they should just be excited about it when and if it actually happens.

[Raoul Duke]

Maybe I don't, but it is my opinion that if they chose a better single, that more people would vote for it. If they are in the top 15 now, without have a great video or their best single, than I would think they would be higher up with a better video/song.

I assure you, I am not out of my mind, Jason. That is only my opinion. I don't work in the music industry, Im a college student. You clearly know more than I do about the music industry, so how about explaining to me why I am mistaken, rather than telling me I am "out of my mind".

You must not get how Jason works then. He likes to belittle people and not explain to them why he hates on them, most of the time because he doesn't really have a good explantion except for the fact that they disagree with him. I get what you are saying though and it seems like a lot of other people agree, the song they picked for the single isn't the best choice, and the video isn't very good either.

[Raoul Duke]

I'd really like whatever you're smoking, because its lasted a long time.

Release of Chroma : These guys are going to blow up!
Re-Release of Chroma: These guys are going to blow up!
Release of "Honestly" video: These guys are going to blow up!

Hell, Acceptance is dead (RIP) and people are still like, "Man, they would have blown up!"

Hahahahaha. So true. People have been saying this forever.

[Jason Tate]

I'd really like whatever you're smoking, because its lasted a long time.

Release of Chroma : These guys are going to blow up!
Re-Release of Chroma: These guys are going to blow up!
Release of "Honestly" video: These guys are going to blow up!

Hell, Acceptance is dead (RIP) and people are still like, "Man, they would have blown up!"
You do realize - they are blowing up right? Go see them at Warped (they're drawing more than main stage bands). The fact they're in the top 15 for TRL, they're getting some radio adds, and they're building a big following (80k sold and a steady 4-5k a week). They just haven't had overnight success like P!atD did, so that's why no one notices.

[shuckinNjivin]

I like how Tate banned that dude for just pointing out the obvious. You called the guy out of his mind just because he didn't "get" the shallow music industry like you do. Not everyone can be as knowledgable and all-knowing as you you know.

[HanusMaximus]

apparently you can be banned for opinion.

[shuckinNjivin]

apparently you can be banned for opinion.
Can you say "power trip"?

[Jason Tate]

I like how Tate banned that dude for just pointing out the obvious. You called the guy out of his mind just because he didn't "get" the shallow music industry like you do. Not everyone can be as knowledgable and all-knowing as you you know.

apparently you can be banned for opinion.

Can you say "power trip"?

I didn't ban anyone. Why the fuck am I always the one blamed when someone gets banned? My fucking word.

I am about to ban you idiots though - I deem you too stupid to use my website.

[halfamile]

let's give 13 year olds a break for awhile, and start picking on another age, like 57 year olds...damn, they are dangerous

[SwedishHeat]

I never thought anything of Acceptance, but Cartel totally has the potential. As do the Matches.

Bite your tongue, sir.

No one is allowed to speak ill of Acceptance.

[shuckinNjivin]

I didn't ban anyone. Why the fuck am I always the one blamed when someone gets banned? My fucking word.

I am about to ban you idiots though - I deem you too stupid to use my website.

Are you serious????? This is the biggest load of shit ever on this site I've seen. It clearly says they are banned and if you didn't do it then who did???

AbsolutePunk.net MessageYou have been banned for the following reason:
Later bitch.
Date the ban will be lifted: 08-26-06, 09:00 PM



There is the proof. Only you would be arrogant enough to cite the reason for banning as "Later bitch". You are such a liar on here and you are clearly abusing power. This is rediculous!

Funny how I am watching V For Vendetta currently. Your "word" haha, how good is this "word"? Seriously Jason act your age.
PS. I am sure I will be banned for this but everything I have said here is absolutely true.

[halfamile]

I didn't ban anyone. Why the fuck am I always the one blamed when someone gets banned? My fucking word.

I am about to ban you idiots though - I deem you too stupid to use my website.

I still love you...and value your opinions, and the hard work you put in for this site

group hug?

[shuckinNjivin]

I still love you...and value your opinions, and the hard work you put in for this site

group hug?

I would let it go if he lifted HIS ban on my old username. He is being so immature now, acting as if he has nothing to do with it. This site seems to really be going in a bad direction I'm afraid.

[HanusMaximus]

I really don't see what banning me would do, I rarely post and it would just come off as totally immature of you. Seeing as I barely did anything. If this site didn't ban that guy for what he said in this thread then I apologize, but if someone on your staff banned him for his thoughts in this thread then I was still right.

After all, I never said, "JASON will ban you for opinion", I just said "apparently you can be banned for opinion"

Don't take it so personally, especially if YOU didn't ban him.

[shuckinNjivin]

I really don't see what banning me would do, I rarely post and it would just come off as totally immature of you. Seeing as I barely did anything. If this site didn't ban that guy for what he said in this thread then I apologize, but if someone on your staff banned him for his thoughts in this thread then I was still right.

After all, I never said, "JASON will ban you for opinion", I just said "apparently you can be banned for opinion"

Don't take it so personally, especially if YOU didn't ban him.

Trust me, he did it. It happened right after he posted a reply in this thread and no other staff was in this thread, and like I previously stated, only he would be arrogant enough to list his reason for banning as "Later Bitch". In case you didn't know I was the guy originally wrongly banned just for stating an opinion, intelligently I might add. Its funny how much in common he has with Bush right now - lies, abuse of power, etc.

[HanusMaximus]

yeah, but either way I never called him out for banning you. I merely stated that someone was banned for speaking their opinion. Which, unless you did something else, was truth.

[J4xoR]

cool

[earlynovemberX]

I would let it go if he lifted HIS ban on my old username. He is being so immature now, acting as if he has nothing to do with it. This site seems to really be going in a bad direction I'm afraid.

don't worry dude. shockwire will be here soon...

[splitsecond]

This must mean that the top 10 spot has been bought and paid for by the label already.

[*crying stars*]

the only reason why i even deal with mtv.com is to vote for bands that deserve a 45-second clip of their video being played while people give shout-outs over them.

it's good exposure, though.

let's give 13 year olds a break for awhile, and start picking on another age, like 57 year olds...damn, they are dangerous

they're the most dangerous before retirement.

and golf, they seem to play a mean round of golf.

[heytheredelilah]

:lsvader:

[insertwithere]

this band writes damn good pop songs. i find their being on the cusp of blowing up funny because it was only 5 months ago that i had a conversation with will about how me and him look exactly alike. seriously, it's like looking in a mirror, so that's fun for me to watch them on mtv.

[youwithoutMe]

i don't like trl. it hasn't been the same since carson daily left.

[shoop]

lmao.. bands still turn to TRL for help... Fuck TRL with passion.

[Jason Tate]

don't worry dude. shockwire will be here soon...
LMFAO. And chapterzero hosting will be able to handle the 15 visits they get.

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

And macromedia and mt. dew won't be pissed off at someone stealing their name - hahahahahaaha.

I haven't laughed this hard in years.

Webzines that are actually GOOD can't even compete with us right now - I'm not very worried.

[Jason Tate]

I would let it go if he lifted HIS ban on my old username. He is being so immature now, acting as if he has nothing to do with it. This site seems to really be going in a bad direction I'm afraid.
Whine whine whine ... go away. This website sucks, don't visit it anymore. The webmaster's a dick on a powertrip. Blah blah blah.

I'm still being accused of something I didn't do - this is retarded. Go the fuck away, I didn't ban you - I don't give a shit what you *think* happened.

[radxbandit]

saweeet

[ThriftWhore]

i remember watching trl and seeing videos from korn, kid rock and limp bizkit on it and having that be the first breakthrough of rock on trl.

cartel totally deserves it, i hope they make it on the top 10 atleast one day because once the trl faithful hears that song, they'll eat it up.

[HanusMaximus]

Cartel are a pop-punk boyband, obviously they will blow up. While I like them, I understand that what I am liking is in no way great by any stretch, it's just catchy, like most popular music or music on the brink of popularity. Cartel are good to listen to now because they are catchy but in 10 years no one will care about them.

[piaffeprncess98]

i have mixed emotions about bands on trl...i am glad they are being successful but it just creates unwanted 13 years olds at their shows.

I think alot of people feel that way. I personally like Runaway, but I don't know if it could be single material. I just think it's a damn catchy song.

[Alex DiVincenzo]

It's lame but they deserve it so I was going to vote but you have to register and stuff.

[geekusa18]

cartel is amazing, they deserve everything good to happen to them.

http://www.myspace.com/blackemerica

amazing band add them

[GreekRebel1153]

good bands should stay away from TRL. If they want to go on a TV show they should atleast go on Fuse...fuse plays some shit, but nothing like MTV does.

[melvicious]

Watching TRL is torture.

[Chriz2z]

Trust me, he did it. It happened right after he posted a reply in this thread and no other staff was in this thread, and like I previously stated, only he would be arrogant enough to list his reason for banning as "Later Bitch". In case you didn't know I was the guy originally wrongly banned just for stating an opinion, intelligently I might add. Its funny how much in common he has with Bush right now - lies, abuse of power, etc.
Jason would have IP banned your ass.... it wasn't him.

[surreality]

Can you guys imagine the video that could be made for "Save Us"? Seriously, it could be amazing.

But it will never happen because they rarely play the damn song at shows
Truth!

[Julia Conny]

I'll let my little sister know.

[Julia Conny]

Watching TRL is torture.



I'd rather get run over by a milk truck then watch TRL.

[BigMouthStrikes]

Cartel are a pop-punk boyband, obviously they will blow up. While I like them, I understand that what I am liking is in no way great by any stretch, it's just catchy, like most popular music or music on the brink of popularity. Cartel are good to listen to now because they are catchy but in 10 years no one will care about them.

Good point, this is exactly how i feel about FOB!

[halfamile]

Good point, this is exactly how i feel about FOB!

you guys may very well be right about no one caring in 10 years, but think about who you remember from 1996...probably not much. most likely for me because I was 12 years old haha...GO GO POWER RANGERS!

[blahme]

What happened to those hot shorts?

[halfamile]

oh, and I think the standards for "blowing up" should not be heald to that of FOB and Panic. When your song gets put on Kidz Bop...you've gone beyond blowing up

[chcougar1]

How many punk/pop punk bands are there that actually are remembered for 10 years?

Lets see

Blink 182
Green Day
Jimmy Eat World (how long have they been around anyways?)

Those are the three big ones for me...and I guess you could count Offspring, but their newer albums are just awful

[bbelair]

How many punk/pop punk bands are there that actually are remembered for 10 years?

Lets see

Blink 182
Green Day
Jimmy Eat World (how long have they been around anyways?)

Those are the three big ones for me...and I guess you could count Offspring, but their newer albums are just awful

New Found Glory has almost been around for 10 years and they will definitely be remembered for many many years to come. Midtown is another band that many people will remember for many years to come, as is Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Dashboard Confessional, The Get Up Kids, Saves The Day, Something Corporate, The Early November, The Starting Line, Relient K, Say Anything, The Spill Canvas, etc... A lot of bands in this "scene" make a lot of lasting and very memorable music that I'm sure people will still be listening to for many years to come (I know I will). And I don't agree when people say that Cartel is just a catchy band that has no lasting power, I think they have more to them than that and I think they are definitely capable of having a very successful and lasting career. Just look at songs like "The Minstrel's Prayer" and "A", theres more to them than just hooks and catchy melodies.

[poemtothedead]

New Found Glory has almost been around for 10 years and they will definitely be remembered for many many years to come. Midtown is another band that many people will remember for many years to come, as is Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Dashboard Confessional, The Get Up Kids, Saves The Day, Something Corporate, The Early November, The Starting Line, Relient K, Say Anything, The Spill Canvas, etc... A lot of bands in this "scene" make a lot of lasting and very memorable music that I'm sure people will still be listening to for many years to come (I know I will). And I don't agree when people say that Cartel is just a catchy band that has no lasting power, I think they have more to them than that and I think they are definitely capable of having a very successful and lasting career. Just look at songs like "The Minstrel's Prayer" and "A", theres more to them than just hooks and catchy melodies.

I think what chcougar1 was getting at is that none of those bands will be well remembered in the mainstream. Sure, there will always be a special place in my heart for all of those bands and I will always be willing to pop in their cd and rock out to them but I doubt those bands will be all over MTV for the next ten years unless they continue to release album after album of mainstream radio hits. So many bands have made it to the top just to be dropped back down to indie status and that sucks but that's just how the record business works. I personally love Cartel and my band is playing with them in Fort Myers, Fl. this September. I can't wait.

[Lehcar]

Well Fuse plays the hell out of the video, so they're pretty popular over there.

[Chris Fallon]

So....many....n00bs. I mean, like, people who literally just signed up once they saw Cartel's name on the site.

This is what will be happening though. Once Cartel is known as well as Fall Out Boy, the haters come in masses, from their underground hater caves, where they breed with other haters and scrutinize every single non-hater and any popular band.

Fuck.

[Troy will Fall]

So....many....n00bs. I mean, like, people who literally just signed up once they saw Cartel's name on the site.

This is what will be happening though. Once Cartel is known as well as Fall Out Boy, the haters come in masses, from their underground hater caves, where they breed with other haters and scrutinize every single non-hater and any popular band.

Fuck.


not to be an ass, but didn't you just sign up in june...?

& cartel has the sound to get into the mainstream, i just think its a matter of time.

[Radiology]

New Found Glory has almost been around for 10 years and they will definitely be remembered for many many years to come. Midtown is another band that many people will remember for many years to come, as is Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Dashboard Confessional, The Get Up Kids, Saves The Day, Something Corporate, The Early November, The Starting Line, Relient K, Say Anything, The Spill Canvas, etc... A lot of bands in this "scene" make a lot of lasting and very memorable music that I'm sure people will still be listening to for many years to come (I know I will). And I don't agree when people say that Cartel is just a catchy band that has no lasting power, I think they have more to them than that and I think they are definitely capable of having a very successful and lasting career. Just look at songs like "The Minstrel's Prayer" and "A", theres more to them than just hooks and catchy melodies.



I'm pretty sure that only 8 of those bands you listed are somewhat "significant" but in the long run won't even matter, they'll be seen like how bands in the grunge movement were but none of them are any Nirvana (Brand New, DC, TGUK and STD talent wise yes...popularity wise no)...this music is just a trend, sure I may enjoy it but what it comes down to is that this thing is a phaze with a lot of kids, and to the bands it's a phaze to them as they either grow to become better musicians or degress into 15 minutes of fame.

and I'm pretty sure no one except Tate still cares about The Spill Canvas

[chcougar1]

I'm pretty sure that only 8 of those bands you listed are somewhat "significant" but in the long run won't even matter, they'll be seen like how bands in the grunge movement were but none of them are any Nirvana (Brand New, DC, TGUK and STD talent wise yes...popularity wise no)...this music is just a trend, sure I may enjoy it but what it comes down to is that this thing is a phaze with a lot of kids, and to the bands it's a phaze to them as they either grow to become better musicians or degress into 15 minutes of fame.

and I'm pretty sure no one except Tate still cares about The Spill Canvas


Correction...ME and Tate

haha ..naw I'm sure there are a lot of Spill fans...


but yeah I was talking about huge mainstream bands that last 10 years...NFG was a good addition to the list.

I agree bands like dashboard confessional will definitely still be on my ipod in 10 years, but I did indeed mean bands that last 10 years in the mainstream eyes....not that I care because I hate the mainstream haha

[Pat Brown]

oh, and I think the standards for "blowing up" should not be heald to that of FOB and Panic. When your song gets put on Kidz Bop...you've gone beyond blowing up how long until cartel is on kidz bop?

[Pat Brown]

[/b]

I agree bands like dashboard confessional will definitely still be on my ipod in 10 yearsI disagree, because in 10 years iPods probably aren't going to be around. That's like in 96 saying that Dookie will still be in your Discman in 10 years.

[chcougar1]

I disagree, because in 10 years iPods probably aren't going to be around. That's like in 96 saying that Dookie will still be in your Discman in 10 years.


haha that is a good point! ..well whatever music device I have then haha

[Radiology]

p.s I should add that I didn't read the whole thread, but if any band deserves this fame with this sound, it's Cartel

[Chris Fallon]

not to be an ass, but didn't you just sign up in june...?

& cartel has the sound to get into the mainstream, i just think its a matter of time.

Well, I'd say you are an ass, but I won't...I'm too nice.

If you had read what I was saying correctly, I meant n00bs in the AUGUST 2006 sense. Like, when you see a thread about a popular band (Cartel and Fall Out Boy seem to be the best examples), people sign up just to say something really negative or sound like 12-year old girls with a fetish for Googling bands and checking out any site they appear on, comprende?

I ain't sitting here saying I'm no n00b, but I've visited this site for years, and I'm good at being a post-crazy n00b. That is all.

[halfamile]

consider me an underground trash talker/hater coming out of my cave to hate on the word n00b

[BigMouthStrikes]

and to the bands it's a phaze to them as they either grow to become better musicians or degress into 15 minutes of fame.

This is true, look at the bands mentioned earlier in the post who have remained popular for 10 years or so, for example Jimmy Eat World have consistantly released quality albums which have seen them develop as musicians meaning their song writing has also developed. Bottom line, if you regularly release good albums you are likely to attract new fans and sustain a high level of popularity for 10, 20, 30 years or more. (Hope this makes sense!)