Marijuana Legalization

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I would like to have an interesting debate on this topic, as I've been discussing with my friends often as of late.

I'm sure you can tell what side I'm on, but hearing everyone's thoughts and opinions would be cool.

Chime in

[MotionIsntMeaning]

I don't really see the need to legalize it. We have enough problems with all the legal drugs (alcohol, tobacco, prescriptions, etc.) that I think legalizing it would only cause more abuse.

However, I'm all in favor of decriminalization. I have visited Amsterdam and that system seems to work quite well. Think of how many resources are wasted to arrest someone for carrying a few grams of pot. Its ridiculous.

Personally, I think pot is not nearly as harmful as alcohol. But pot seems to have a certain taboo associated with it. Not to mention the fact that American government would never allow decriminalization to occur.

Its not like anyone has a hard time finding it with under the current system, so why bother changing it?

[ParadeInTheRain]

I've never done marijuana, but I skipped over it in abusing myself with drugs that are a problem when I was younger (LSD and crack for the reference, but also other non-substance issues such as masochism and sex-addiction). I used to not care at all about marijuana, but now that someone I really care about is playing around with it... I'm beginning to. I mean, honestly, I agree that it is a fairly harmless drug. Then again... what good comes from it? What's the point in doing it? I've been a number of unspeakable things in my life, and looking at all of them I can tell you that anything you do to to put yourself out of your mind is not a good thing. Essentially, it's taking a person with the greatest things going for them and watching them waste themselves on something that has no useful value at all. When your in your young teens... who cares, all your time is just fooling around then anyway - drugs or no drugs. But when you're older... it's just stupid. Hey, there's a hell of an idea... a reverse legal age. When you turn 18 it becomes illegal. Element of sarcarsm, vague lacing of seriousness. Having fucked myself up many ways, I just don't like seeing people I care about not making something of themselves.

[angelusdomini]

im in favor of legalizing it, and then taxing it REAL high.

[justinevans]

Students who use drugs do not want it to be legalized, because our government will inturn tax the shit out of it and raise prices. There are a number of small drug dealers that get away with it. Most of the ones that get in trouble are the ones pushing large amounts. The government does not waste much resources with misdemanor marijuana charges. Maybe they can do away with those charges...but make the felony charges stricter?

[Blake Solomon]

I think it should be legalized. I got in a lot of trouble for smoking pot by my parents and i think the double standard that exists in our society is absurd. I am only 19 and i asked my dad if i would have been in as much shit as im in if i had been caught drinking and he flat out said "no". If i was an alcoholic and was told to stop immediately, it would be very difficult, but i was smoking like 4 times a week at least and when they laid the hammer down, i stopped immediately, no withdrawal, no longing for the drug, nothing. People say that pot is a gateway drug, but i dont look at it that way. Once you do a drug like coke or meth, you dont have the choice to stop, with pot, as long as its done in thoughtful moderation, you can stop. Its the same with alcohol and easier than cigarretes. you cant just stop smoking cigarrettes when youre addicted, same with alchohol. It just gets a bad wrap because the people that deal it are "criminals" and the people that sell cigarrettes and alcohol arent "criminals"... wait, they probably are.

[justinevans]

I think it should be legalized. I got in a lot of trouble for smoking pot by my parents and i think the double standard that exists in our society is absurd. I am only 19 and i asked my dad if i would have been in as much shit as im in if i had been caught drinking and he flat out said "no". If i was an alcoholic and was told to stop immediately, it would be very difficult, but i was smoking like 4 times a week at least and when they laid the hammer down, i stopped immediately, no withdrawal, no longing for the drug, nothing. People say that pot is a gateway drug, but i dont look at it that way. Once you do a drug like coke or meth, you dont have the choice to stop, with pot, as long as its done in thoughtful moderation, you can stop. Its the same with alcohol and easier than cigarretes. you cant just stop smoking cigarrettes when youre addicted, same with alchohol. It just gets a bad wrap because the people that deal it are "criminals" and the people that sell cigarrettes and alcohol arent "criminals"... wait, they probably are.
my friends got tired of pot and went to coke, shrooms, and some other shit. I knew quite a few kids who just smoked pot and then tried morphine patches and died.


now they are just back to smoking pot, but their lives are shit and they are going no where.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

Students who use drugs do not want it to be legalized, because our government will inturn tax the shit out of it and raise prices. There are a number of small drug dealers that get away with it. Most of the ones that get in trouble are the ones pushing large amounts. The government does not waste much resources with misdemanor marijuana charges. Maybe they can do away with those charges...but make the felony charges stricter?

That's not true. They spend an estimated 7.7 billion dollars a year prohibiting marijuana.

http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/execsummary.html

[justinevans]

That's not true. They spend an estimated 7.7 billion dollars a year prohibiting marijuana.

http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/execsummary.html

yes, but he talked about them wasting $$ on people with a gram of pot.

[Brandn3w]

420 69 broseph.

[Blake Solomon]

my friends got tired of pot and went to coke, shrooms, and some other shit. I knew quite a few kids who just smoked pot and then tried morphine patches and died.


now they are just back to smoking pot, but their lives are shit and they are going no where.


i know its so cliche, but moderation is the key, same with alcohol and anything else. Though, its the people that abuse that will forever keep this illegal.


I wish all the best for your friends though, i know people that got messed up too.

[lawofaverages]

salvia is legal.

anyone done that? i hear its wicked sweet, but the high is kinda short.

[preppyak]

my friends got tired of pot and went to coke, shrooms, and some other shit. I knew quite a few kids who just smoked pot and then tried morphine patches and died.


now they are just back to smoking pot, but their lives are shit and they are going no where.
yeah...the phrase "gateway drug" seems to be accurate.

That's not true. They spend an estimated 7.7 billion dollars a year prohibiting marijuana.

http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/execsummary.html

Except you don't spend 7.7 Billion dollars in a year on local enforcement. A majority of that goes to policing off-shore drug runs, etc...as well as (and the # mentions that 75% or so of the money basically goes to State and Local govt's) to stopping trucks/farms where it is mass produced and shipped. A majority of the offenses seem to be for dealing and producing, not for using so much.

[allisterkid]

It should definately be legal. It would solve America's money problems, and most people do NOT realize how much more unsafe alcohol is from all standpoints.

[preppyak]

Students who use drugs do not want it to be legalized, because our government will inturn tax the shit out of it and raise prices.
It should definately be legal. It would solve America's money problems, and most people do NOT realize how much more unsafe alcohol is from all standpoints.
Both valid points...and I'm suprised that the government hasn't seen that as an option yet. It's certaintly not a morality thing...since they allow cigarettes...and I don't think it's a money/greed thing (which is the reason why it has taken so long for Tobacco to even be punished for their actions).

I'm guessing the reason is because they now see Marijuana as the sort of keystone for their "War on Drugs"...and by stopping/slowing it, since it's the most talked about of illegal drugs that I've heard, it makes the biggest impact moral wise. If they legalize it now, they basically open the floodgates for other drugs to be legalized (a lot of presciption pills come to mind that people would want OTC), which they definitely don't want. Now, Marijuana has definitely become that sort of stand still issue (thus the classification within the highest Category of drugs), and if they give in after so many years of fighting it, there will be a million different people wanting other drugs legalized

[parallelism]

Both valid points...and I'm suprised that the government hasn't seen that as an option yet. It's certaintly not a morality thing...since they allow cigarettes...and I don't think it's a money/greed thing (which is the reason why it has taken so long for Tobacco to even be punished for their actions).

I'm guessing the reason is because they now see Marijuana as the sort of keystone for their "War on Drugs"...and by stopping/slowing it, since it's the most talked about of illegal drugs that I've heard, it makes the biggest impact moral wise. If they legalize it now, they basically open the floodgates for other drugs to be legalized (a lot of presciption pills come to mind that people would want OTC), which they definitely don't want. Now, Marijuana has definitely become that sort of stand still issue (thus the classification within the highest Category of drugs), and if they give in after so many years of fighting it, there will be a million different people wanting other drugs legalized

Which (the taboo) completely sucks.

I mean, it's by no means a good thing, per say, but it isn't nearly bad enough to justify outlawing it when alcohol, cigarettes and salvia are legal (although I've heard they're trying to fight salvia).

Seriously, salvia and alcohol fuck people up so much more than pot does, as far as the high goes. So many people drink but are against marijuana usage, but their biggest beef with the whole issue lies in the fact that it's against the law.

Which doesn't really make sense, if you think about it, because many of those types of people are underage kids who drink, and alcohol is illegal for them, too.

[parallelism]

I also sort of agree that the government will, most likely, never back down from this thing because they're trying so hard to prove a point about it. If it does end up happening, it'll be fucking weird, but whatever haha; way to go for the people that use it, I guess.

I don't know, my standpoint is that if alcohol and marijuana are used under fairly strict moderation, it's completely fine. I don't see anything unethical about somebody else wanting to alter the state of their own mind. In most cases, it's just to pass the time, anyways.

As a sidenote, I don't think so many people realize how harmful alcohol is to the body.

I'm fairly neutral on people using mushrooms as long as they have somebody sitting for them to make sure they don't get themselves or anybody else hurt. However, I'm pretty against the use of most other drugs if they are exceptionally damaging or addictive.

Still, though, although I don't condone the use of those types of drugs (and in fact discourage it), I don't feel it's necessary to ban it from the people who do want to use them.

[preppyak]

I also sort of agree that the government will, most likely, never back down from this thing because they're trying so hard to prove a point about it. If it does end up happening, it'll be fucking weird, but whatever haha; way to go for the people that use it, I guess.

I don't know, my standpoint is that if alcohol and marijuana are used under fairly strict moderation, it's completely fine. I don't see anything unethical about somebody else wanting to alter the state of their own mind. In most cases, it's just to pass the time, anyways.

As a sidenote, I don't think so many people realize how harmful alcohol is to the body.

I'm fairly neutral on people using mushrooms as long as they have somebody sitting for them to make sure they don't get themselves or anybody else hurt. However, I'm pretty against the use of most other drugs if they are exceptionally damaging or addictive.

Still, though, although I don't condone the use of those types of drugs (and in fact discourage it), I don't feel it's necessary to ban it from the people who do want to use them.
I agree...it seems foolish (and legally liable) when all 3 are pretty equally bad for you in general, and not all are legal/illegal

But, alcohol and tobacco seem to have longer roots of being legal...Prohibition itself proves how hard people will fight to keep something like that legal. If this issue were the other way, if Marijuana were legal and they were trying to criminalize it, I believe the fight would be much like Prohibtion was.

Haha...perhaps we should have Daniel Tosh decide are national policy

"I think we should legalize marijuana in this country...so potheads have nothing to talk about ever again. You are so annoying. Grow up and do coke like an adult."

[parallelism]

I agree...it seems foolish (and legally liable) when all 3 are pretty equally bad for you in general, and not all are legal/illegal

But, alcohol and tobacco seem to have longer roots of being legal...Prohibition itself proves how hard people will fight to keep something like that legal. If this issue were the other way, if Marijuana were legal and they were trying to criminalize it, I believe the fight would be much like Prohibtion was.

Haha...perhaps we should have Daniel Tosh decide are national policy

"I think we should legalize marijuana in this country...so potheads have nothing to talk about ever again. You are so annoying. Grow up and do coke like an adult."

Hahaha, yeah.
I'm not even a pothead, but the cause still sort of makes sense to me.

[mikeford]

do it, tax the shit out of it, and cut my federal income taxes instead.

[xvszero]

I say legalize it, that way all the would-be alcoholics will turn into potheads and won't beat their wives as much.

Maybe.

[allisterkid]

Good points around the house.

[Juliana101]

If the United States were able to cultivate the Marijuana here, and count it towards our GDP, they would tax the shit out of it, and it would be great for our economy.

I have a funny salvia story, I guess. This one kid I knew was doing salvia and he thought he was an orange and tried to peel himself. That's why I stay away from that shit.

[pinklar]

alright. lets sit down and think about this rationally.

as great an idea as it seems, would it really be that great? we're talking government taxed, regulated mary jane. i'm sure the quality would be great, yes. but they are still going to put drug dealers in jail.

the way it was in ontario for a while worked for me, just a fine under an ounce, and even then, half the time it was more a slap on the wrist and the cop making you dump your pot neatly so you could pick it up when he left. cops are pretty cool for the most part.

...what am i saying?

and speaking of salvia, i wish i could even comprehend what the fuck goes on. i will never touch that shit again. my guitar player on the other hand, will always enjoy 15 minutes of rocketboosters.

[_astheruinfalls]

Salvia is fun, but way too expensive for such a short high.

Marijuana should be legal over alcohol.

[pinklar]

Salvia is fun, but way too expensive for such a short high.

Marijuana should be legal over alcohol.

if you buy salvia on the internet, its pretty much dirt cheap...

[luckyboy611]

Coming from someone who has smoked weed every day for the last 3 years, and done a lot of other drugs on top of that, no, I don't think weed should be legalized.

Decriminalization is one thing, but I just can't see any benefits to it being legalized. It's something that I do, but I definitely don't think that it's a good thing, and I think that it's a way more addictive drug than people give it credit for. I personally and a lot of my friends really just feel incapable of getting to bed at night if we're not high, and that really sucks. Yeah, weed is a way less hardcore drug than alcohol is, but I just see no good that can come from it being legal.

[Juliana101]

Coming from someone who has smoked weed every day for the last 3 years, and done a lot of other drugs on top of that, no, I don't think weed should be legalized.

Decriminalization is one thing, but I just can't see any benefits to it being legalized. It's something that I do, but I definitely don't think that it's a good thing, and I think that it's a way more addictive drug than people give it credit for. I personally and a lot of my friends really just feel incapable of getting to bed at night if we're not high, and that really sucks. Yeah, weed is a way less hardcore drug than alcohol is, but I just see no good that can come from it being legal.

You condemn it, yet you've smoked it for the last 3 years. How much money and time has been wasted?

[luckyboy611]

You condemn it, yet you've smoked it for the last 3 years. How much money and time has been wasted?

Thanks for the anti-drug life lesson that I don't care to hear, my point is for the reasons its affected me negatively, I don't think it should be legalized.

[YourMusicSucks]

You condemn it, yet you've smoked it for the last 3 years. How much money and time has been wasted?

You have to be an idiot to smoke weed and lose money. Almost anyone who's serious about smoking will buy an oz, 28 grams. You sell 15 of those grams and smoke the rest and you'll be making profit. And who's to say it's a waste of time? I'd take getting high and thinking and pondering shit over sitting around a TV any day.

Personally, I think weed should mostly be decriminalized. I dont think someone caught with a few grams should get the kind of shit they would around here. However, I'm not sure I think selling it should ever be completely legal; I don't want to see it in drug stores and such.

Alcohol and Cigarettes are both, in my opinion, worse than weed. It's hypocritical for it to be illegal when neither of those are. However, it IS bad, I'm not saying otherwise. If you smoke anything it's bad for your lungs. It's just less bad than other things that are currently legal.

You can also do weed through something called a vaporizer, which has no smoke and no effect on your lungs. Other than the obvious damage from smoke, I don't know of any proven adverse effects of long term marijuana use. I basically feel like there's nothing wrong with it.

For those who promote legalizing and taxing: It's called weed for a reason. It really isn't that hard to grow. If it became legalized so many people would grow their own that there wouldn't be much for the government to tax. I've heard this cited as a reason it isn't legalized.

But in favor of legalization: Weed as a gateway drug, which I see some truth to, but A LOT more BS, would be eliminated if it was legal. Are cigarettes a gateway to heroin? Weed wouldn't really be if it was legal. Totally different doing something that came from a store than something that came from a shady dealer, which, if you smoke weed currently, you become desensitized to.

[lawofaverages]

if you buy salvia on the internet, its pretty much dirt cheap...

LINK PLEASE.

[xvszero]

Coming from someone who has smoked weed every day for the last 3 years, and done a lot of other drugs on top of that, no, I don't think weed should be legalized.

Decriminalization is one thing, but I just can't see any benefits to it being legalized. It's something that I do, but I definitely don't think that it's a good thing, and I think that it's a way more addictive drug than people give it credit for. I personally and a lot of my friends really just feel incapable of getting to bed at night if we're not high, and that really sucks. Yeah, weed is a way less hardcore drug than alcohol is, but I just see no good that can come from it being legal.

It's refreshing to see someone admit the addictive qualities of weed. I had a few friends back in high school/college who turned into huge potheads and they couldn't see that they were addicted despite the fact that they spent every day either high or trying to score weed, dropped out of school, had no jobs, etc. Yeah it's generally not as addictive as other drugs or alcohol but it can still get people hooked on it.

[allisterkid]

You have to be an idiot to smoke weed and lose money. Almost anyone who's serious about smoking will buy an oz, 28 grams. You sell 15 of those grams and smoke the rest and you'll be making profit. And who's to say it's a waste of time? I'd take getting high and thinking and pondering shit over sitting around a TV any day.

Personally, I think weed should mostly be decriminalized. I dont think someone caught with a few grams should get the kind of shit they would around here. However, I'm not sure I think selling it should ever be completely legal; I don't want to see it in drug stores and such.

Alcohol and Cigarettes are both, in my opinion, worse than weed. It's hypocritical for it to be illegal when neither of those are. However, it IS bad, I'm not saying otherwise. If you smoke anything it's bad for your lungs. It's just less bad than other things that are currently legal.

You can also do weed through something called a vaporizer, which has no smoke and no effect on your lungs. Other than the obvious damage from smoke, I don't know of any proven adverse effects of long term marijuana use. I basically feel like there's nothing wrong with it.

For those who promote legalizing and taxing: It's called weed for a reason. It really isn't that hard to grow. If it became legalized so many people would grow their own that there wouldn't be much for the government to tax. I've heard this cited as a reason it isn't legalized.

But in favor of legalization: Weed as a gateway drug, which I see some truth to, but A LOT more BS, would be eliminated if it was legal. Are cigarettes a gateway to heroin? Weed wouldn't really be if it was legal. Totally different doing something that came from a store than something that came from a shady dealer, which, if you smoke weed currently, you become desensitized to.

And put myself at risk for prison? I don't think so. I'll keep getting ripped off on my bud to stay out of federal prison.

[cal1082]

Coming from someone who has smoked weed every day for the last 3 years, and done a lot of other drugs on top of that, no, I don't think weed should be legalized.

Decriminalization is one thing, but I just can't see any benefits to it being legalized. It's something that I do, but I definitely don't think that it's a good thing, and I think that it's a way more addictive drug than people give it credit for. I personally and a lot of my friends really just feel incapable of getting to bed at night if we're not high, and that really sucks. Yeah, weed is a way less hardcore drug than alcohol is, but I just see no good that can come from it being legal.

i have a friend who use to smoke twice a day everyday (sometimes even three). their whole life revolved around when they could smoke. he was always more introverted but when he started smoking so much he became extremely introverted. he got engaged, quit smoking, and has completely become a different person. it's purely a psycological addiction but those are the most difficult to kick.

i can understand making pot into simply a ticketed offense much like a speeding ticket, but i agree that more harm comes from legalizing it than does keeping it legal

[Zeran]

i think legalizing marijuana would be a mistake. it'd be another way for people to alter their state of minds, making a danger for themselves and others, in the same way that alcohol does. it would just be a bad idea.

[parallelism]

i think legalizing marijuana would be a mistake. it'd be another way for people to alter their state of minds, making a danger for themselves and others, in the same way that alcohol does. it would just be a bad idea.

Yeah, but it's really not in the same way that alcohol does at all.

I can see where you're coming from, but anybody who wants their state of mind altered is going to do it anyways, you know what I mean? Hell, even a cigarette buzz can make somebody really dizzy and impair their driving skills.

[jsteil]

Even if you legalize it the majority of the crop with come from south america just like Cigars. It will be taxed just like other tobacco products which in most states they either tax the inventory or the sales tax. In my state of kansas they tax it about 67 cents, in Missouri though they only tax 17 cents which is the 7th lowest in the USA. I have a nice 6ft x 2ft x 1.5 ft humidor and i collect cigars and store them and I'd say for the most part I smoke 2-3 a week on average. I've gone months without smoking one and i've had weeks were I'ved smoked a cigar almost every day. Its the people that abuse the substance and do foolish things that give tobacco, marijuana, and alcohol a bad name. A community will then "sin tax" it to death to were average hard working people can not afford to buy it anymore and the struggle continues.

[allisterkid]

i think legalizing marijuana would be a mistake. it'd be another way for people to alter their state of minds, making a danger for themselves and others, in the same way that alcohol does. it would just be a bad idea.

I do see where you're coming from, but the fact is you're wrong. Wrong in the instance that it doesn't affect your mind the same as alcohol and people driving drunk are so much more dangerous than people driving stoned. That is the one argument that I will never put aside and if that's the simple reason to keep it illegal then it's way wrong.

[JezisHChrist]

I was the tits driving stoned. The motherfucking tits.

[kchubb]

It's refreshing to see someone admit the addictive qualities of weed. I had a few friends back in high school/college who turned into huge potheads and they couldn't see that they were addicted despite the fact that they spent every day either high or trying to score weed, dropped out of school, had no jobs, etc. Yeah it's generally not as addictive as other drugs or alcohol but it can still get people hooked on it.

there is no way to get physically addicted to weed... its all psychological.


For those who promote legalizing and taxing: It's called weed for a reason. It really isn't that hard to grow. If it became legalized so many people would grow their own that there wouldn't be much for the government to tax. I've heard this cited as a reason it isn't legalized.

ha have you ever tried to grow? It is not an easy process at all. Much harder to grow than most plants...

[we are cured]

Look, of course it's psychologically addictive. It takes you away from real life, and for some people, those 2-3 hours are the most precious time they spend in the day. But the key is in the approach. I used to smoke 3-4x a day (not a lot compared to the amounts my friends smoked), and began to realize that my entire day revolved around the next time I was going to smoke. It takes a bit to get out of that stage, because you have to realize from that outside looking in that you are missing the things that really make your life enjoyable. Once you realize that, you can approach marijuana in a different light. Yeah you're getting high, but you know what you're thinking is not real, and you know that you are not yourself- and you're perfectly fine with that. People get into trouble when they find a comfort zone with it, and then begin to think that their high existence is in fact their real existence.

I smoke a lot less now, barely even at all, but when I do it's great. Psychological addictions are all about your mental approach- if you can will yourself to convince your subconscious that a blunt to the face isn't the ONLY thing that will make you happy, you'll be able to handle it.

[_kelly]

You have to be an idiot to smoke weed and lose money. Almost anyone who's serious about smoking will buy an oz, 28 grams. You sell 15 of those grams and smoke the rest and you'll be making profit. And who's to say it's a waste of time? I'd take getting high and thinking and pondering shit over sitting around a TV any day.


are you kidding me sweetie? i dont know what kind of money 15 year olds have where you come from, but no teenager i know has the money up front to buy an ounce, even if you would make a profit selling it.

[YourMusicSucks]

are you kidding me sweetie? i dont know what kind of money 15 year olds have where you come from, but no teenager i know has the money up front to buy an ounce, even if you would make a profit selling it.

haha. I work and my friends do, I'm not used to the average poor 15 year old.

point taken.

[we are cured]

are you kidding me sweetie? i dont know what kind of money 15 year olds have where you come from, but no teenager i know has the money up front to buy an ounce, even if you would make a profit selling it.

that's why most people get it spotted for an extra 20 or 30 bucks.

[_kelly]

haha. I work and my friends do, I'm not used to the average poor 15 year old.

point taken.

haha yeah at the point when i was smoking a lot i didnt have a job, so it was bascially a lot of wasted lunch money. now that i only smoke ocassionaly i have so much more money

[YourMusicSucks]

haha yeah at the point when i was smoking a lot i didnt have a job, so it was bascially a lot of wasted lunch money. now that i only smoke ocassionaly i have so much more money


Ouch! When I started I made myself two promises: a) I'd never spend money on it. b) If a friend, or girlfriend, or sibling or someone tried to get me to stop I would.

So far I've kept up with the first one and haven't needed to bother with the second =P

[pinklar]

how can you possibly make your money back on an oz off of 15 grams in a 28 gram oz?

and as for the addiction. im an AVID smoker. oz's are nothing. but IT is all in your head. there are no real physical effects, like if you were getting off of pills or something. it is all in your head. i can and have taken breaks whenever i wanted. its not hard. and besides, after taking like 4 days off, you get a LOT more stoned on day 5.

[YourMusicSucks]

how can you possibly make your money back on an oz off of 15 grams in a 28 gram oz?

and as for the addiction. im an AVID smoker. oz's are nothing. but IT is all in your head. there are no real physical effects, like if you were getting off of pills or something. it is all in your head. i can and have taken breaks whenever i wanted. its not hard. and besides, after taking like 4 days off, you get a LOT more stoned on day 5.

15/g x 20$ = 300$ = an oz

Assuming both you and the person you sell to overpay.

[_kelly]

how can you possibly make your money back on an oz off of 15 grams in a 28 gram oz?

and as for the addiction. im an AVID smoker. oz's are nothing. but IT is all in your head. there are no real physical effects, like if you were getting off of pills or something. it is all in your head. i can and have taken breaks whenever i wanted. its not hard. and besides, after taking like 4 days off, you get a LOT more stoned on day 5.

i quit for a couple months when i was looking for a job and it really wasnt hard at all, and it made it that much better when i smoked again

[pinklar]

15/g x 20$ = 300$ = an oz

Assuming both you and the person you sell to overpay.

MANNNN! if i ever payed 300 an ounce i'd stab a motherfucker. and if anyone ever tried to sell me a 20 dollar gram i'd fucking slap them.

[YourMusicSucks]

MANNNN! if i ever payed 300 an ounce i'd stab a motherfucker. and if anyone ever tried to sell me a 20 dollar gram i'd fucking slap them.

Haha, me too. Prices are cheaper in canada though.

People around here pay 20 for quality stuff any time. 25 for a .8 of haze.

15$ for shit is common, too.

[Korematsu]

depends on wher eyou come from. to me. it should NOT be legal. but in political and economical views it should be. when i feel like typing why i will later.

[Venona]

yeah im not against pot
but i think were better off the way it is
because if it is legalized it'll be wayyyyyyy more expensive

[imovemountains]

I don't really see the need to legalize it. We have enough problems with all the legal drugs (alcohol, tobacco, prescriptions, etc.) that I think legalizing it would only cause more abuse.

However, I'm all in favor of decriminalization. I have visited Amsterdam and that system seems to work quite well. Think of how many resources are wasted to arrest someone for carrying a few grams of pot. Its ridiculous.

Personally, I think pot is not nearly as harmful as alcohol. But pot seems to have a certain taboo associated with it. Not to mention the fact that American government would never allow decriminalization to occur.

Its not like anyone has a hard time finding it with under the current system, so why bother changing it?

as americans, we do not, nor ever will, know how to control anything
everything we do is in excess. from drinking to eating, it's one big overdone mess
to legalize a now illegal substance wouldn't stabalize it, it would just make the slight problem an actual problem
take alcohol..mostly, perfectly legal...people still can't seem to control what they do with it
what makes anybody think that legalizing marijuana will control it's use and sale?

[allisterkid]

Haha, me too. Prices are cheaper in canada though.

People around here pay 20 for quality stuff any time. 25 for a .8 of haze.

15$ for shit is common, too.

Come to Montana. Well actually, no don't... not if you don't want to get ripped off. I pay 50 for an eighth usually and paid 60 for my last single because it was really fucking good shit.

[pinklar]

haze is still 10 bucks a gino here. 195 an oz.
the shit im getting right now puts haze to shame. 170 an oz.

bless canadian chronic.

[we are cured]

haze is still 10 bucks a gino here. 195 an oz.
the shit im getting right now puts haze to shame. 170 an oz.

bless canadian chronic.

and that's canadian $$?

[YourMusicSucks]

haze is still 10 bucks a gino here. 195 an oz.
the shit im getting right now puts haze to shame. 170 an oz.

bless canadian chronic.


Holy shit, fedex plz?

[cantnokdahustle]

salvia is legal.

anyone done that? i hear its wicked sweet, but the high is kinda short.

It is legal in certain cities, not in San Antonio Tx, but that is neither here nor there. I have tried Salvia and it did absolutely jack shit, though I took a medium potency. Now, when i gave it to my wife, as we took turns looking after each other, she went fucking nuts for 15 minutes. Unfortunately she has bad trips pretty much all the time, but this was the worst, her hallucinations were apparently pretty realistic and she probably would have been in trouble (harming herself) if were had not been responsible about it, in Austin they make you read a large pamphlet before they sell it to you. I would still like to experience it, but there is no way in hell my wife is going anywhere near that shit again. Also, its super fucking expensive if you get it from a headshop, an ounce of medium grade will cost you about 35 bucks. It is a very short high, but the relativity of time to the user makes that of little consequence. Just use it responsibly: make sure you have a sober buddy watching out for you.

As for the topic: legalize it, tax it, regulate it, and educate the population about it (truthfully, none of that using it leads to pregnancy shite)

[pinklar]

yes its canadian, but even still. our dollar isn't doing that bad, and weed should be 10 dollars a gino regardless. more is a joke.

everyone should come visit canada, if ONLY for the chron. haha

[allisterkid]

yes its canadian, but even still. our dollar isn't doing that bad, and weed should be 10 dollars a gino regardless. more is a joke.

everyone should come visit canada, if ONLY for the chron. haha

When we went to Lethbridge a couple months ago we scrambled around for bud (but mostly just got plastered fucking drunk). I don't know if we got ripped off, but even if we did it was an amazing price compared to what we're used to paying. We payed 60 Canadian for a quarter of some of the best bud we'd had EVER.

[sleepyd]

wow i want to go to canada.. i can live without nordstrom..

[pinklar]

When we went to Lethbridge a couple months ago we scrambled around for bud (but mostly just got plastered fucking drunk). I don't know if we got ripped off, but even if we did it was an amazing price compared to what we're used to paying. We payed 60 Canadian for a quarter of some of the best bud we'd had EVER.

and you know what, i hate any dealer who charges 60 instead of 50, unless they have great weed.

canadian bud is phenomenal, and everywhere.

[sloppysoothsaye]

I would like to have an interesting debate on this topic, as I've been discussing with my friends often as of late.

I'm sure you can tell what side I'm on, but hearing everyone's thoughts and opinions would be cool.

Chime in


sorry. I'm not reading all the threads through just yet.
so if someone has said this already
well then I agree with them


Marijuana does not kill anyone.
tobacco and alcohol do.

it's not an accident that the latter are legal and the former is illegal.
if you do your homework you'll see that HEMP was made illegal in 1938 because the cotton and fossil fuel industries were threatened by hemp taking over as our number 1 export.

so they used racist propaganda to demonize weed (watch reefer madness to see how idiotic and see through the governments brainwashing was)


in other words
DE CRIMINALIZE!!!!!!!!!

[selftitled85]

sorry. I'm not reading all the threads through just yet.
so if someone has said this already
well then I agree with them


Marijuana does not kill anyone.
tobacco and alcohol do.

it's not an accident that the latter are legal and the former is illegal.
if you do your homework you'll see that HEMP was made illegal in 1938 because the cotton and fossil fuel industries were threatened by hemp taking over as our number 1 export.

so they used racist propaganda to demonize weed (watch reefer madness to see how idiotic and see through the governments brainwashing was)


in other words
DE CRIMINALIZE!!!!!!!!!

lol! gtfo!

question:
what exactly would legalizing pot do?

[misfit rocker]

I'm straightedge and i dont see how anyone can have fun if they don't remember what hapened...

[ConsciousEntity]

I don't smoke weed, and I don't incourage anyone to, and nor do I care if they do, but I can see in the lifetime of my kids (if I have any) they'll be looking back on this marijuana legalization like we do the prohibition era.

[selftitled85]

question:

does alcohol lead you to want to try and do other drugs?

because i sure as hell know that people who smoke pot on a regular basis end up wanting to try other drugs.

you can drink all the beer you want but it will not make you want to drop acid or shoot up heroin. while it has pretty much been shown that people who smoke pot often will end up wanting to try other drugs.



in other words...what the hell will it do for this country? absolutely nothing except make us more lazy than we already are. dont make it legal.

[JezisHChrist]

A lot of those pot as a gateway drug accusations are skewered. The thing is, a high majority of people smoke weed at least once during their lifetime, and almost anyone who does heavy drugs (acid, heroin) has also smoked weed. Doesn't mean that the person smoked pot and that led him to doing heavier drugs, just that they do heavy drugs and also have/do smoke weed.

[selftitled85]

A lot of those pot as a gateway drug accusations are skewered. The thing is, a high majority of people smoke weed at least once during their lifetime, and almost anyone who does heavy drugs (acid, heroin) has also smoked weed. Doesn't mean that the person smoked pot and that led him to doing heavier drugs, just that they do heavy drugs and also have/do smoke weed.

wrong. most of those people started smoking pot...smoked pot for a while and needed more and more pot to get them to that level of high as they wanted. or it just became not as fun (as it did with me) and wanted something else to get them more high or something new.

im sure there are a few people who just went right for the hard stuff...but the fact remains that most people smoked pot before they tried hard drugs. and i dont just mean one time pot then something else. it was after some time that they tried something else.

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

If you don't think alcohol is a gateay drug, you're fooling yourself. Lots of times people will get drunk and then succumb to trying new drugs while thie rinhibitions are down.

But I love drugs, so yay for that.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

question:

does alcohol lead you to want to try and do other drugs?

because i sure as hell know that people who smoke pot on a regular basis end up wanting to try other drugs.

you can drink all the beer you want but it will not make you want to drop acid or shoot up heroin. while it has pretty much been shown that people who smoke pot often will end up wanting to try other drugs.

I disagree with your claims. Pot is not the only gateway drug. Alcohol and tobbacco are also gateway drugs and cause much more harm to society then smoking pot.

- "Youth who drank alcohol were 50 times more likely to use cocaine, and those who smoked tobacco cigarettes were 19 times as likely to use cocaine."

http://www.drugwatch.org/Alcohol%20&%20Tobacco_Gateway%20Drugs.htm


Just because Alcohol and tobacco are legal doesn't mean they are less harmful then pot....


"In North America and other countries, alcohol is the number one drug used by teens. Its use is also the number one contributing factor in youthful deaths. In the U.S., the use of alcohol is associated with at least one-half of all car crashes, suicides, drownings, crimes of violence, unplanned sex, poor school performance, and other trauma among youth. Alcohol and tobacco kill more people annually than all other drugs combined. Alcohol alone is associated with at least one-fourth of all hospital visits in the United States. Nicotine is one of the most addictive and harmful of all drugs."


Pot is not the problem.

[selftitled85]

I disagree with your claims. Pot is not the only gateway drug. Alcohol and tobbacco are also gateway drugs and cause much more harm to society then smoking pot.

- "Youth who drank alcohol were 50 times more likely to use cocaine, and those who smoked tobacco cigarettes were 19 times as likely to use cocaine."

http://www.drugwatch.org/Alcohol%20&%20Tobacco_Gateway%20Drugs.htm


Just because Alcohol and tobacco are legal doesn't mean they are less harmful then pot....


"In North America and other countries, alcohol is the number one drug used by teens. Its use is also the number one contributing factor in youthful deaths. In the U.S., the use of alcohol is associated with at least one-half of all car crashes, suicides, drownings, crimes of violence, unplanned sex, poor school performance, and other trauma among youth. Alcohol and tobacco kill more people annually than all other drugs combined. Alcohol alone is associated with at least one-fourth of all hospital visits in the United States. Nicotine is one of the most addictive and harmful of all drugs."


Pot is not the problem.


you do realize there are many more problems then just deaths right?

[MotionIsntMeaning]

you do realize there are many more problems then just deaths right?

you do realize you completely missed the point right?

[followtheformat]

you do realize you completely missed the point right?


agreed.

self-titled, make a fucking point backed up by facts or just shut the fuck up and go back to believing what your D.A.R.E. officer taught you.

[VinnyVegas]

What are the benefits of using marijuana?

[Lueda Alia]

Look, of course it's psychologically addictive. It takes you away from real life, and for some people, those 2-3 hours are the most precious time they spend in the day. But the key is in the approach. I used to smoke 3-4x a day (not a lot compared to the amounts my friends smoked), and began to realize that my entire day revolved around the next time I was going to smoke. It takes a bit to get out of that stage, because you have to realize from that outside looking in that you are missing the things that really make your life enjoyable. Once you realize that, you can approach marijuana in a different light. Yeah you're getting high, but you know what you're thinking is not real, and you know that you are not yourself- and you're perfectly fine with that. People get into trouble when they find a comfort zone with it, and then begin to think that their high existence is in fact their real existence.

I smoke a lot less now, barely even at all, but when I do it's great. Psychological addictions are all about your mental approach- if you can will yourself to convince your subconscious that a blunt to the face isn't the ONLY thing that will make you happy, you'll be able to handle it.

Sadly, that's not the case with most teens.

[sleepyd]

What are the benefits of using marijuana?

um.. if you suffer from anorexia it makes you eat!

[oldwirehands]

I had a thread like this last year.

I am not for 100% legalization of marijuana but I'm for the reformation of the laws against it. Just like there are laws against tobacco and alcoholic products.

I also made this blog (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=2619346&blogID=92375554&MyToken=ca6f842b-0019-4005-a2bf-96503f4c2cf1) on myspace.

"Penalties against drug use should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against the possession of marijuana in private for personal use." REFERENCE: President Jimmy Carter: Message to Congress, August 2, 1977.

[YourMusicSucks]

What are the benefits of using marijuana?


I've noticed a few situations where people who were really shy opened up (not just when high) after having become regular smokers.

For me, I find it almost impossible to fall asleep 90 percent of the time.. On nights when I smoke I don't have to take sleeping pills... which I try and take as rarely as possible.

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

You know what's way cooler than marijuana for recreational drug use? Ketamine. Seriously, all of the cool kids are doing it. And you do want to be one of the cool kids, right?

[oldwirehands]

What are the benefits of using marijuana?

When I'm high, I feel invincible. Like I'm ready to take on anything. I don't know, I want to do the weirdest shit while I'm high. List of things I'd like to do while being high:



Wake and bake at 6am then hit the bike trail.
Run the Chicago Marathon.
Be in a race car doing 170+ mph.
Go out to the desert with some dune buggies.
Water tubing.
Skydiving.
Watch intense movies.
Listen to intense music.


Those are just some of the things I want to do. I feel really pumped with energy and be as productive as possible. Don't get me wrong though, I like to chill out to.

[SevenOhThree]

Decriminalize.

[jsteil]

Its all about limitation. I'm 24 years old and have never smoked marijuana. I do smoke cigars on a regular basis, but I don't see tabacco in cigars to be a gateway for myself to smoke marijuana and other drugs. I went to the doctors on Tuesday because I had strep throat and put down on my check in sheet that I smoke between 2-4 cigars a week. When the doctor was talking to me I asked about my cigar smoking and she talked to me for about 5 minutes before saying that she doesn't see a problem so long as it doesn't become 2-4 cigars a day.

Someone said ealier in the post that they don't see what good legalizing pot can do. It can do alot for this country in the way of extra revenue. When we make something legal its alot easier to regulate. Look at tabacco and alcohol, do you see people selling it like marijuana, I think not. Tabacco and alcohol have age limits and laws of consumption. When you make marijuana legal, people 'of a certain age" can buy them at authorized places of business.

The marijuana manufactures can regulate the prices alot easier and can establish themselves as a brand label like cigar manufactures (ei H. upmann, Romeo y Julietta, Punch, CAO, Oliva). Sometime in the future this will happen, and marijuana smokers will feak out when they go to buy a box of 25 7" x 48mm joints at their local Marijuana and Tobacco store tat will cost as much as premium cigars ($5-15 a joint) or $375ish + tax.

[boysdontcry17]

Its all about limitation. I'm 24 years old and have never smoked marijuana. I do smoke cigars on a regular basis, but I don't see tabacco in cigars to be a gateway for myself to smoke marijuana and other drugs. I went to the doctors on Tuesday because I had strep throat and put down on my check in sheet that I smoke between 2-4 cigars a week. When the doctor was talking to me I asked about my cigar smoking and she talked to me for about 5 minutes before saying that she doesn't see a problem so long as it doesn't become 2-4 cigars a day.

Someone said ealier in the post that they don't see what good legalizing pot can do. It can do alot for this country in the way of extra revenue. When we make something legal its alot easier to regulate. Look at tabacco and alcohol, do you see people selling it like marijuana, I think not. Tabacco and alcohol have age limits and laws of consumption. When you make marijuana legal, people 'of a certain age" can buy them at authorized places of business.

The marijuana manufactures can regulate the prices alot easier and can establish themselves as a brand label like cigar manufactures (ei H. upmann, Romeo y Julietta, Punch, CAO, Oliva). Sometime in the future this will happen, and marijuana smokers will feak out when they go to buy a box of 25 7" x 48mm joints at their local Marijuana and Tobacco store tat will cost as much as premium cigars ($5-15 a joint) or $375ish + tax.

what are you? a girl?
jk.

[kshtoinks12]

:shake:

[fromwithin]

What are the benefits of using marijuana?

there are none.

[Narcissm]

legalize..then people can make up their own mind if they want to do it or not....like somking cigarettes.

[ThatGuy]

legalize it
tax it
use said tax money and money saved by not having people in jail to help those who are addicted to it
use rest of the money to continue war on terrorism
/sarcasm for line four

[Narcissm]

use rest of the money to continue war on terrorism


ha ha ha

[youcomebeforeyo]

there are none.

Pain relief?

[Kif]

What are the benefits of using marijuana?
What are the benefits of smoking and drinking?

[followtheformat]

What do you guys think about this?

http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/home/faq

There is an option on this upcomming november 7th ballot in Nevada. It will allow the distribution and sale of 1oz of Cannabis and protect against prosecution in all areas relating to the use, paraphenelia, and ownership of cannabis.

Basically amsterdam in our own backyard. It would be fitting since within Nevada is a litte city called LAS VEGAS.

Las Vegas would then become the best city on Earth. Bar none.

[xwisebuddhax]

What are the benefits of smoking and drinking?

What does it matter?

[oldwirehands]

New statistics say that more oler people are using marijuana than highschool/younger people.

A few years ago I found a pipe in my uncle's house. He was 34 I believe. Recently I found a pipe in my house that isn't mine, nor my brother's. Its my Dad's... or Mom's... most likely my Dad's haha. Either way, he's 44. I've heard this same story from a lot of people. This drug isn't dangerous if used resposibly like any other legal drug. Everyone needs to chill out and let it be a controlled legal substance. Its practically legal as it is, they just need to give it up.

[Carlo Marx]

Marijuana could easily be legalized, as long as it has similar restrictions to that of alcohol. Plus, the tax charged on legal marijuana would be a help to the economy.

[Kif]

What does it matter?
Well then on that principle, what does it matter what the benefits of pot are?

[make_this_hurt]

Pot is so easy to get... it's practically legal aleady.

So shut up and get high.

[YourMusicSucks]

Pot is so easy to get... it's practically legal aleady.

So shut up and get high.

/thread

[MotionIsntMeaning]

What are the benefits of using marijuana?

Um, I guess you've never heard of medical marijuana? Pot does have some benefits and that's why it is prescribed to patients in Canada by DOCTORS! At the very least all countries should allow the use of medical marijuana.

"The report, by the Institute of Medicine, said that for many, marijuana does have "therapeutic value" for pain relief, control of nausea and vomiting and appetite stimulation. The institute also said that there was no conclusive evidence that marijuana use leads to harder drugs."

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9903/17/medical.marijuana/


What are the benefits of alcohol, tobacco, fast food, and gambling? Nothing, but they are still allowed by society.

[OisNOTdead87]

I heard there was a report made by one of the main opponents of marijuana legalization (some doctor firm) that ran tests for like 30 years and concluded it doesn't cause lung cancer.

Either way I smoke everyday and it helps me a lot. I have very bad Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, no pills ever helped, but pot does.

It also makes me more ready to take on the day.

I can see a problem with using it while driving, but it should be either decriminalized or legalized.

[poppunkinDC]

the problem with legalization of marijuana is that it stays in the system to long, it is to hard for them to regulate driving laws in regaurds to marijuana, I.E. driving while intoxicated/under the influence ,that sort of thing. plus the tax wouldnt help our economey that much, they already make a shitload of money on busting people for pot related crimes even jsut possesion.read some of ed rosenthal's works, he knows more about pot and its legalization than anyone

[VinnyVegas]

What are the benefits of smoking and drinking?

Well, we all know that smoking helps you lose weight, and drinking helps stimulate a person's appetite - now that we have that out of the way ;)

I guess it's a matter of personal perspective, life experience, and personality. I don't drink, smoke, or gamble and I really don't understand why anybody would. However, I support people's rights to do whatever the hell they want to. I even support legalizing marijuana simply because I don't think it's any of the government's business.

I just wanted to see why people smoke marijuana (other than the medical reasons), and I guess I answered my own question. There is no reason/ benefit, just like there is no reason/benefit for many other activities.

[Tom Da Bomb]

Iam stoned right now, so let me tell you how I feel about this...

I dont care.

Its here and its here to stay baby.

now online poker is an addiction that we need to worry about, or at least I DO. dam

[OisNOTdead87]

the problem with legalization of marijuana is that it stays in the system to long, it is to hard for them to regulate driving laws in regaurds to marijuana, I.E. driving while intoxicated/under the influence ,that sort of thing. plus the tax wouldnt help our economey that much, they already make a shitload of money on busting people for pot related crimes even jsut possesion.read some of ed rosenthal's works, he knows more about pot and its legalization than anyone


Which is why they need to find a way to figure out if people are intoxicated or not for driving. I'm sure they could, they're just happy rakingint he cash now (while innocent people go to jail, and you know that damn well dude).

Fucking Ed Rosenthal and shit meng.

[poppunkinDC]

yeah.....

[oldwirehands]

Its not hard to tell if a person is too stoned to drive. They're eyes are barely open, they're smiling/laughing, move really slow, ect. Just like alcohol, people need to know their limits.

[poppunkinDC]

but to the police your to stoned to drive if your stoned at all, and your "technically" stoned for like two days after you smoke. which is bullshit but the ball is in their court, its the athourities who have to be satasfied with regulations before it can be legalized. and we all know they are ass holes

[OisNOTdead87]

Exactly.

He knows what he's talking about.

[ndtitr]

I Have not read any posts. All I have to say is YES.

[trancedsailor]

I agree. If they fucking legalize it when I'm 60, I'm going to get pissed off.

[metALholics18]

marijuana is only used how the person intends on using it. its like having a social drinker and an alcoholic. you have the people who try it and move to bigger drugs and abuse it, and then there are the people who smoke it socially or spiritually. and it is just going to be that way probably forever because no matter how much preaching you give, people get curious and stupid.

if you legalized ganja, it would put emphasis on other drugs, harder drugs and just start new crazes. but it would also make the temptation of marijuana alot less.

personally, i think marijuana/alcohol and any other vices (sex, other drugs, etc.) all comes down to a person's morals and their stability.

and i could really care less if they legalize it because no matter what they do, it is still going to be grown, sold, and smoked.

[OisNOTdead87]

Although it lacks grammar, I think that's one of the smartest things I've heard a 16 year old girl say.

[oldwirehands]

marijuana is only used how the person intends on using it. its like having a social drinker and an alcoholic. you have the people who try it and move to bigger drugs and abuse it, and then there are the people who smoke it socially or spiritually. and it is just going to be that way probably forever because no matter how much preaching you give, people get curious and stupid.

if you legalized ganja, it would put emphasis on other drugs, harder drugs and just start new crazes. but it would also make the temptation of marijuana alot less.

personally, i think marijuana/alcohol and any other vices (sex, other drugs, etc.) all comes down to a person's morals and their stability.

and i could really care less if they legalize it because no matter what they do, it is still going to be grown, sold, and smoked.

Very true. Though, I don't see people turning to harder drugs just because marijuana is legal. The only other drugs I've done are shrooms and LSD. I did shrooms because I was bored and curious. It wasn't planned at all. I research everything I could on LSD and decided that I wanted to try it once or twice. Its still the most amazing experience I've ever had and I highly suggest taking some if the opportunity arises. Just do it with people you know and trust.

[DroppedUrPocket]

There is a thing in Las Vegas where they might legalize marijuana and adults will be able to hold an ounce. They will have government regulated stores to buy from.

[oldwirehands]

but to the police your to stoned to drive if your stoned at all, and your "technically" stoned for like two days after you smoke. which is bullshit but the ball is in their court, its the athourities who have to be satasfied with regulations before it can be legalized. and we all know they are ass holes

I don't know about you but when I'm REALLY stoned, I look REALLY stoned. If I take just bust out my one hitter, I look completely fine and can act normal. I still get high but I don't look that messed up. If a cop pulled me over while being completely stoned, my eyes would look completely closed and I'd have a stupid smile on my face.

[oldwirehands]

There is a thing in Las Vegas where they might legalize marijuana and adults will be able to hold an ounce. They will have government regulated stores to buy from.

That would be interesting. Its only a matter of time before the laws change. Its happening slowly. Especially since new statistics show that more middle-aged people are using more than teens.

[DroppedUrPocket]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061017/ap_on_el_st_lo/marijuana_initiative_4

[Branevember31]

im doing a report on this for health...as much as people would want it to be legalized, there are wayyy more cons than pros

[rocktometal]

im doing a report on this for health...as much as people would want it to be legalized, there are wayyy more cons than pros

that should be obvious to all

[notoaststereo]

i dont smoke so whatevs

[Zeran]

that should be obvious to all

sadly, it's not.

[BreakerBreaker]

There are no cons to being high all the time.

[A picasso blue]

There are no cons to being high all the time.
..

Productivity
Social relations
Performance
cannot operate heavy machinery

[OisNOTdead87]

im doing a report on this for health...as much as people would want it to be legalized, there are wayyy more cons than pros

that should be obvious to all

sadly, it's not.

You're all fucking brainwashed jackasses.

What are the cons?

[oldwirehands]

If people would actually research the drug they would find out that its safer than a shitload of legal drugs.

[Boring Pop Song]

this is another case where man feels it is above nature. marijuana is a plant and it grows naturally. it is illegal.

but hey, man made beer... it's all good. drink until you throw up or get alcohol poisoning.

[MaTtR.LuVr01]

Fire that shit:focus: weed is good for you.

[Alex Djaferis]

i love my weed.

but i dont think any country (apart from holland) would know how to handle legalisation. the swiss came very close but then scrapped it.

[OisNOTdead87]

i love my weed.

but i dont think any country (apart from holland) would know how to handle legalisation. the swiss came very close but then scrapped it.

America would get greedy, I know they would. The quality would also most likely suffer, just like American beer usually sucks.

[Iamhome]

The government can't tax marijuana. It's too easy to grow. People are used to smoking marijuana that isn't processed. Tobacco is hard to process so is Alcohol. Marijuana? Easy. Grow it. Let it dry. Smoke it. If they would start taxing it i'm sure more people would start comitting the crime of growing it. I for one think they should try... I just think they see it as they can't make enough money off of it. No matter how much tax they put on it... people would still break the law and find ways around it. If you don't believe me grow one weed plant in your back yard and five tobacco plants. I guarantee you the marijuana plant will outlast the others.

[InDanged]

Brainwashed mothers...

Marijuanna will never be legalized to the a few reasons, all having to do with our struggling economy.

1) Legalizing Marijuanna would lead the way for hemp based industries to steamroll many businesses (Hemp can be made into many MANY things.)
2) Legalization would pretty much obliterate any need to smoke cigarettes which rakes in MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars. Dollars in which feeds the government.
3) They can't tax it. It'd be too available to grow on your own.

I missed some but the facts go as this for anyone who wants to debate the dangers.

1) Marijuanna contains very very few cancer causing carcinogens, unlike popular thinking. You will not find someone who gets lung cancer because of simply smoking marijuanna.. EVER.
2) Marijuanna was banned on the grounds of racism. Look it up.
3) There were no health studies to provide proof of these so called "dangers" and they are simply government propagandas and hidden agendas.

I am sick and tired of people telling me marijuanna would be legal if it was basically harmless. Look how many marijuanna related deaths there are compared to alcohol and cigarettes. Proof enough.
(edited)
By the way marijuanna is not addictive. Anyone who says such a thing is obviously buried by lies. If you eat chocolate for three years every day, it'll be hard to stop eating it. If you drink soda every day for three years then it's hard to stop drinking soda. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between mental dependence and addiction.

[InDanged]

By the way. The issue on Salvia

1) It's sweet as hell, I will suggest everyone to try it. It's a hell of an experience.

The outlawing process is basically because they're pinning suicides and such on the effects, which is also, just like the pot, utter bullshit.

I'd like to say they'll ignore it but it isn't any better than shrooms. It's not at bad and large in modern society but it will be.

As I said, try it. It's quite fun.

Trip Balls friends

[angelusdomini]

i jst went trick or treating high!!!!

niiiice

[we are cured]

Brainwashed mothers...

Marijuanna will never be legalized to the a few reasons, all having to do with our struggling economy.

1) Legalizing Marijuanna would lead the way for hemp based industries to steamroll many businesses (Hemp can be made into many MANY things.)
2) Legalization would pretty much obliterate any need to smoke cigarettes which rakes in MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars. Dollars in which feeds the government.
3) They can't tax it. It'd be too available to grow on your own.

I missed some but the facts go as this for anyone who wants to debate the dangers.

1) Marijuanna contains very very few cancer causing carcinogens, unlike popular thinking. You will not find someone who gets lung cancer because of simply smoking marijuanna.. EVER.
2) Marijuanna was banned on the grounds of racism. Look it up.
3) There were no health studies to provide proof of these so called "dangers" and they are simply government propagandas and hidden agendas.

I am sick and tired of people telling me marijuanna would be legal if it was basically harmless. Look how many marijuanna related deaths there are compared to alcohol and cigarettes. Proof enough.
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By the way marijuanna is not addictive. Anyone who says such a thing is obviously buried by lies. If you eat chocolate for three years every day, it'll be hard to stop eating it. If you drink soda every day for three years then it's hard to stop drinking soda. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between mental dependence and addiction.

Right on about the hemp industry point.

Horribly incorrect about 'wiping out the cigarette industry.' Nicotine is more addictive than heroin, and there are plenty of people who smoke cigarettes and don't smoke weed.

They can tax it with the right legislation...like increasing the penalties for growing your own by 100x, yet sanctioning certain businesses to grow it under proper government regulation. How profitable this will be is difficult to tell as the numbers on marijuana economy are never right.

Very few carcinogens? You are smoking UNFILTERED smoke.

I smoke too so don't think I'm a hater. You're just in some obvious denial about the fact that it is harmful. Don't worry, we've all been there.

[oldwirehands]

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hahahahahahahahaha I don't know, I thought this response was hilarious.

[InDanged]

I like that someone replied to my psot but let's look at it this way

How many kids would pick up smoking cigarettes over marijuanna? I mean seriously, with the legalization of marijuanna maybe the generation already smoking would continue, but from then on in it would be marijuanna. Most people start smoking because of peer pressure, it eases stress, and its just something to do. I can't say it'd eliminate the peer pressure aspect but the other two would be covered.

Look at medical studies. Yes, you're inhaling unflitered smoke, but in that smoke you will find nowhere near as much cancer causing material in cigarettes. It's saying you will automatically get cancer from standing next to fire. Smoke inhilation, sure. Lung cancer, doubtful

Do live in the US. There is NO WAY our government would be able to handle the legalization process. Sure, they could sell it like cigarettes and tax that, but people would still grow it.

[we are cured]

I like that someone replied to my psot but let's look at it this way

How many kids would pick up smoking cigarettes over marijuanna? I mean seriously, with the legalization of marijuanna maybe the generation already smoking would continue, but from then on in it would be marijuanna. Most people start smoking because of peer pressure, it eases stress, and its just something to do. I can't say it'd eliminate the peer pressure aspect but the other two would be covered.

Look at medical studies. Yes, you're inhaling unflitered smoke, but in that smoke you will find nowhere near as much cancer causing material in cigarettes. It's saying you will automatically get cancer from standing next to fire. Smoke inhilation, sure. Lung cancer, doubtful

Do live in the US. There is NO WAY our government would be able to handle the legalization process. Sure, they could sell it like cigarettes and tax that, but people would still grow it.

That's a huge assumption...a majority of the people I know don't like marijuana because of the effects it has on their body. And the tobacco industry, the original lifeline of this country, will never give up their stronghold on a cigarette economy. But they don't need to - they have nicotine.

If you smoke two blunts a day for your entire life, I can almost guarantee you will get lung cancer, heart disease, or emphysema. Which one doesn't matter, they all suck.

And there's no way the government can handle it? The government grows the sickest weed out there. Imagine you could walk into 7-11 and buy a joint of sour diesel. Would you be calling your dealer?

[oldwirehands]

That's a huge assumption...a majority of the people I know don't like marijuana because of the effects it has on their body. And the tobacco industry, the original lifeline of this country, will never give up their stronghold on a cigarette economy. But they don't need to - they have nicotine.

If you smoke two blunts a day for your entire life, I can almost guarantee you will get lung cancer, heart disease, or emphysema. Which one doesn't matter, they all suck.

And there's no way the government can handle it? The government grows the sickest weed out there. Imagine you could walk into 7-11 and buy a joint of sour diesel. Would you be calling your dealer?

Get a vap. 99% of the toxins in the smoke will be gone.

[InDanged]

Good point, once you get a vaporizer you won't even be inhaling smoke, just THC and hot air.