knicks almost got cwebb

[xearlynovemberx]

According to Howard Eskin on NBC10's Sports Final, Billy King turned down a proposed trade from the New York Knicks that would have sent Chris Webber to NYC while Quentin Richardson and Maurice Taylor would have come back to Philly.

While this isn't the greatest of deals... it's something and frankly, I can't see how Billy King and the Sixers' PR Department are going to try and sell this team to the Philly Public this season. It's one thing to sell a rebuild or try and sell your team as being a contender, but how does a team that had few injury problems that failed to make playoffs try to sell itself as worthy for your money? We shall see apparently.

[Broken Parachute]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Chris Webber

[xearlynovemberx]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Chris Webber

hahah, ftw

[StandMyBrothers]

too only add to the payroll.

[xearlynovemberx]

too only add to the payroll.

actually it wouldnt be that bad webbers contract expires in 2 years and isnt really a big contract

[livethesounds]

haha..thats all im gonna say.

[Caleb Cattivera]

ohhhh man. i love the knicks.

[xbrokendownx]

thank lord jesus joey harrington that we didnt get chris webber


fuck that dude

[Split2nd]

That would have been a good deal for the Knicks. His contract is up quicker than Q's, and Q sucks balls. Atleast CWebb is a consistent 20/10 PF.

[xearlynovemberx]

That would have been a good deal for the Knicks. His contract is up quicker than Q's, and Q sucks balls. Atleast CWebb is a consistent 20/10 PF.

thank you

[allisterkid]

You guys talk about this like it would have been another bad trade for the Knicks, but this would be one hell of a trade for them. Q-Rich is owed over 33 million dollars over the next four seasons and averaged 8 points last season over just 55 games. He was nothing there like he was in Phoenix or for that matter L.A. even. Then Mo Tay absolutely sucks and this guy is owed 10 million dollars next season. I mean he's so terrible that he will be forced to sign for the minimum next season if he plays. Why my Rockets gave him that terrible contract in the first place I have no idea. Anyways CWebb is a capable veteran and though he is just a fraction of the Webber that once dominated, he would be waaaay better for the Knicks than Richardson and Mo Taylor.

Basically the Knicks swap Taylor for Webber and just get rid of Richardson's awful awful contract. It would have been a spectacular trade for them.

[The Matt Kaufman]

knicks are a circus.

the end.

[Caleb Cattivera]

You guys talk about this like it would have been another bad trade for the Knicks, but this would be one hell of a trade for them. Q-Rich is owed over 33 million dollars over the next four seasons and averaged 8 points last season over just 55 games. He was nothing there like he was in Phoenix or for that matter L.A. even. Then Mo Tay absolutely sucks and this guy is owed 10 million dollars next season. I mean he's so terrible that he will be forced to sign for the minimum next season if he plays. Why my Rockets gave him that terrible contract in the first place I have no idea. Anyways CWebb is a capable veteran and though he is just a fraction of the Webber that once dominated, he would be waaaay better for the Knicks than Richardson and Mo Taylor.

Basically the Knicks swap Taylor for Webber and just get rid of Richardson's awful awful contract. It would have been a spectacular trade for them.

ummmm. no. spectacular and chris webber dont belong in the same sentence.

it would have been another bad trade for the knicks. webber is old, who cares what his numbers are. he's still not going to IMPROVE the knicks, which is what they need. they wouldnt be any better off with him. they would've been the same, laughing stock of the leauge, new york knicks. but i would've loved to see it.

[xbrokendownx]

That would have been a good deal for the Knicks. His contract is up quicker than Q's, and Q sucks balls. Atleast CWebb is a consistent 20/10 PF.

You guys talk about this like it would have been another bad trade for the Knicks, but this would be one hell of a trade for them. Q-Rich is owed over 33 million dollars over the next four seasons and averaged 8 points last season over just 55 games. He was nothing there like he was in Phoenix or for that matter L.A. even. Then Mo Tay absolutely sucks and this guy is owed 10 million dollars next season. I mean he's so terrible that he will be forced to sign for the minimum next season if he plays. Why my Rockets gave him that terrible contract in the first place I have no idea. Anyways CWebb is a capable veteran and though he is just a fraction of the Webber that once dominated, he would be waaaay better for the Knicks than Richardson and Mo Taylor.

Basically the Knicks swap Taylor for Webber and just get rid of Richardson's awful awful contract. It would have been a spectacular trade for them.





are you guys high?


seriously, cwebb would probably be the WORST thing for the knicks. hes probably the laziest player in the league, and one of the worst defensively

and q does NOT suck...larry brown just didnt use him correctly.

[Split2nd]

are you guys high?


seriously, cwebb would probably be the WORST thing for the knicks. hes probably the laziest player in the league, and one of the worst defensively

and q does NOT suck...larry brown just didnt use him correctly.
Right, and Quentin Richardson is such a great defensive player? Give me a break. Larry Brown didn't use him correctly because he's not that good of a player. He thrived in the Suns system because it was built for no-defense one trick ponies who can just shoot the 3. Unless the Knicks want to become worse than they already are, they're not going to implement that system, and thus, Q will remain a mediocre extremely overpaid player. In the past four years, he's shot 37.2%, 39.8%, 39%, 35.5%. That is atrocious.

I think everyone just read "Knicks" and started saying "what a horrible move, hahahaha Knicks!"

I fail to see why his laziness matters, he still averaged 20.2 PPG and 9.9 REB. Congrats, he's a horrible defensive player, but so is Quentin Richardson, and so is Eddy Curry.

[xbrokendownx]

Right, and Quentin Richardson is such a great defensive player? Give me a break. Larry Brown didn't use him correctly because he's not that good of a player. He thrived in the Suns system because it was built for no-defense one trick ponies who can just shoot the 3. Unless the Knicks want to become worse than they already are, they're not going to implement that system, and thus, Q will remain a mediocre extremely overpaid player. In the past four years, he's shot 37.2%, 39.8%, 39%, 35.5%. That is atrocious.

I think everyone just read "Knicks" and started saying "what a horrible move, hahahaha Knicks!"

I fail to see why his laziness matters, he still averaged 20.2 PPG and 9.9 REB. Congrats, he's a horrible defensive player, but so is Quentin Richardson, and so is Eddy Curry.






where did i say Q was a good defensive player? have you watched chris webber recently? i dont give 2 shits what his numbers are. dude is a liability, and youd know that if you watched some sixers games last year. besides, its EXACTLY what the knicks need...another old, lazy, and overpaid player

[Split2nd]

where did i say Q was a good defensive player? have you watched chris webber recently? i dont give 2 shits what his numbers are. dude is a liability, and youd know that if you watched some sixers games last year. besides, its EXACTLY what the knicks need...another old, lazy, and overpaid player
Well it's better than a young, lazy, overpaid player for longer, who isn't as good as the aforementioned player.

And Q is a liability on D. I've watched him play on the Clippers, he's a matador. You're not going to get a 2way stud player for an overpaid shooter. CWebb is an upgrade over what they have now, and improves their club.

[fcknazisympathy]

Well it's better than a young, lazy, overpaid player for longer, who isn't as good as the aforementioned player.

And Q is a liability on D. I've watched him play on the Clippers, he's a matador. You're not going to get a 2way stud player for an overpaid shooter. CWebb is an upgrade over what they have now, and improves their club.

Id take CWebb for Mo Taylor and Q-Rich in a heartbeat. Dump salary, pick up a decent vet too bad the Sixers weren't stupid enough to do it.

[xbrokendownx]

Id take CWebb for Mo Taylor and Q-Rich in a heartbeat. Dump salary, pick up a decent vet too bad the Sixers weren't stupid enough to do it.



chris webber makes 20 million

mo taylor makes 9.75 and Qrich makes 7



this is a salary dump, how?

[allisterkid]

You guys saying this would be a bad trade for the Knicks just don't get it. Q-Rich has a far worse contract than Webber for LESS production. Mo Taylor has a season left to be paid about 10 million dollars and he won't do shit. Webber on the other hand can add veteran leadership, points, rebounds, defense, a mentor for Channing Frye, and hopefully knock some sense into my former favorite player Steve Francis and company as well.

No matter what you guys say I won't back down from this... this would be an incredible trade for the Knicks considering that they get rid of two guys who aren't even contributers on their terrible team and they get someone who can help get the team back on the right track. Not get the team in the playoffs, but get the team maybe going in the right direction again.

And what if he doesn't? Then they still got rid of a terrible contract in Quentin Richardson and someone who keeps there bench warm, Mo Taylor and Webber is gone in a couple years anyways.

[xbrokendownx]

You guys saying this would be a bad trade for the Knicks just don't get it. Q-Rich has a far worse contract than Webber for LESS production. Mo Taylor has a season left to be paid about 10 million dollars and he won't do shit. Webber on the other hand can add veteran leadership, points, rebounds, defense, a mentor for Channing Frye, and hopefully knock some sense into my former favorite player Steve Francis and company as well.

No matter what you guys say I won't back down from this... this would be an incredible trade for the Knicks considering that they get rid of two guys who aren't even contributers on their terrible team and they get someone who can help get the team back on the right track. Not get the team in the playoffs, but get the team maybe going in the right direction again.

And what if he doesn't? Then they still got rid of a terrible contract in Quentin Richardson and someone who keeps there bench warm, Mo Taylor and Webber is gone in a couple years anyways.






HAHAHAHAH



aaaaaaaaaaahahahaha


sorry im not done laughing yet. there are so many things wrong with this post, that i wont even attempt to correct them

[allisterkid]

chris webber makes 20 million

mo taylor makes 9.75 and Qrich makes 7



this is a salary dump, how?

Because Q-Rich makes 7 mill this year then 8 the next then 9 then and so forth. It's the length of the contract that's terrible (and the dollar amount). This would definately be a salary dump for the Knicks even if it takes time. You guys who say no to this trade are truly blinded by the facts. Trust me I think the Knicks are true idiots as well, but this would have been a great trade for them.

[allisterkid]

HAHAHAHAH



aaaaaaaaaaahahahaha


sorry im not done laughing yet. there are so many things wrong with this post, that i wont even attempt to correct them

Please do attempt to correct them. Personally I don't think you even read it all, but I also would love to see you try to correct them. I put everything I put there plain and simple and it's all valid.

[xbrokendownx]

Because Q-Rich makes 7 mill this year then 8 the next then 9 then and so forth. It's the length of the contract that's terrible (and the dollar amount). This would definately be a salary dump for the Knicks even if it takes time. You guys who say no to this trade are truly blinded by the facts. Trust me I think the Knicks are true idiots as well, but this would have been a great trade for them.




thats all well and good, except for the fact that webber will be 34 in march, while qrich is 26


and webber makes 20 mill this year and 22 mill + the following year. to say this is a salary dump is fucking moronic

[allisterkid]

It's a salary dump when you're looking at the time frame. It's going to take sometime for the Knicks to get bakc to where they once were so taking on huge short term contracts is right now better than big and terrible long term contracts.

[Split2nd]

thats all well and good, except for the fact that webber will be 34 in march, while qrich is 26


and webber makes 20 mill this year and 22 mill + the following year. to say this is a salary dump is fucking moronic
And then his contract is through. It's not like the Knicks will have cap space in the near future, and Webber will help them, 22 Mil. off the books in two years. They're not going to re-sign QRich, so their age doesn't matter, and his contract runs for longer, so it is in a way a salary dump.

[xbrokendownx]

chris webber has 42 mill left on his contract, while qrich has 33


tell me again how this is a salary d ump?

[Caleb Cattivera]

You guys saying this would be a bad trade for the Knicks just don't get it. Q-Rich has a far worse contract than Webber for LESS production. Mo Taylor has a season left to be paid about 10 million dollars and he won't do shit. Webber on the other hand can add veteran leadership, points, rebounds, defense, a mentor for Channing Frye, and hopefully knock some sense into my former favorite player Steve Francis and company as well.

No matter what you guys say I won't back down from this... this would be an incredible trade for the Knicks considering that they get rid of two guys who aren't even contributers on their terrible team and they get someone who can help get the team back on the right track. Not get the team in the playoffs, but get the team maybe going in the right direction again.

And what if he doesn't? Then they still got rid of a terrible contract in Quentin Richardson and someone who keeps there bench warm, Mo Taylor and Webber is gone in a couple years anyways.

veteran leadership? besides one western conference championship, what has webber led any of his teams to? nothing? a timeout?

yes, webber has good numbers, yes he can produce. but will he make the knicks better? no. one player is not going to change that mess they have there, and it's sure as hell NOT going to be chris webber. the last person i'd want 'mentoring' channing frye is chris webber. knocking sense into francis? riiiight. chris webber would NOT help that team, in fact i think he'd lose motivation. i know i would.

i agree with brokendown on this one. q rich did NOT have a good season last year, and i think that is partly brown's fault. q rich is a good player, who i think will step up this year, whoever said he only thrived in phoenix obviously forget that he averaged 17 ppg and 6 rpg, for the clippers prior to joining the suns.

allisterkid i dont know who you are, but i've seen a total of one, halfway intelligent posts from you in this forum.

[allisterkid]

So now you're just leaving out Maurice Taylor completely? Seriously for the production Webber will give compared to the production Taylor and Richardson will give and then the length of the contract, you'd have to be a moron to accept this trade if you're the Sixers. The Sixers are the ones that would take on a terrible contract and then get Mo Taylor (nothing) for Webber.

I truly don't know what you guys don't see who think this is a bad trade for the Knicks.

[xbrokendownx]

veteran leadership? besides one western conference championship, what has webber led any of his teams to? nothing? a timeout?

yes, webber has good numbers, yes he can produce. but will he make the knicks better? no. one player is not going to change that mess they have there, and it's sure as hell NOT going to be chris webber. the last person i'd want 'mentoring' channing frye is chris webber. knocking sense into francis? riiiight. chris webber would NOT help that team, in fact i think he'd lose motivation. i know i would.

i agree with brokendown on this one. q rich did NOT have a good season last year, and i think that is partly brown's fault. q rich is a good player, who i think will step up this year, whoever said he only thrived in phoenix obviously forget that he averaged 17 ppg and 6 rpg, for the clippers prior to joining the suns.

allisterkid i dont know who you are, but i've seen a total of one, halfway intelligent posts from you in this forum.






i love you

[Caleb Cattivera]

So now you're just leaving out Maurice Taylor completely? Seriously for the production Webber will give compared to the production Taylor and Richardson will give and then the length of the contract, you'd have to be a moron to accept this trade if you're the Sixers. The Sixers are the ones that would take on a terrible contract and then get Mo Taylor (nothing) for Webber.

I truly don't know what you guys don't see who think this is a bad trade for the Knicks.

gate keeper!!! this kid doesn't belong in here!

[fcknazisympathy]

chris webber makes 20 million

mo taylor makes 9.75 and Qrich makes 7



this is a salary dump, how?

CWebb doesnt have a 4 year deal.

[xbrokendownx]

So now you're just leaving out Maurice Taylor completely? Seriously for the production Webber will give compared to the production Taylor and Richardson will give and then the length of the contract, you'd have to be a moron to accept this trade if you're the Sixers. The Sixers are the ones that would take on a terrible contract and then get Mo Taylor (nothing) for Webber.

I truly don't know what you guys don't see who think this is a bad trade for the Knicks.






adding in mo taylor's ONE year left at about 9.5, that puts the total money at even




tell me again how this is a salary dump?

[fcknazisympathy]

adding in mo taylor's ONE year left at about 9.5, that puts the total money at even




tell me again how this is a salary dump?

didnt mention mo taylors contract, i said q-rich's

[allisterkid]

veteran leadership? besides one western conference championship, what has webber led any of his teams to? nothing? a timeout?

yes, webber has good numbers, yes he can produce. but will he make the knicks better? no. one player is not going to change that mess they have there, and it's sure as hell NOT going to be chris webber. the last person i'd want 'mentoring' channing frye is chris webber. knocking sense into francis? riiiight. chris webber would NOT help that team, in fact i think he'd lose motivation. i know i would.

i agree with brokendown on this one. q rich did NOT have a good season last year, and i think that is partly brown's fault. q rich is a good player, who i think will step up this year, whoever said he only thrived in phoenix obviously forget that he averaged 17 ppg and 6 rpg, for the clippers prior to joining the suns.

allisterkid i dont know who you are, but i've seen a total of one, halfway intelligent posts from you in this forum.

I don't think Webber solves the Knicks problems. I don't think he even comes close to that. I just don't think you realize how awful of a contract Richardson has for the production he gives. Four years left. That was a terrible contract they gave him and they KEEP on doing it. I don't know how Quentin Richardson finds himself in a contract tier up with higher caliber players like Ron Artest, Chauncey Billups, and Rip Hamilton.

[Caleb Cattivera]

also, if they traded for webber...that would put a cramp on channing frye's development, david lee's development, and also, they just signed jeffries, that would've hurt his pt too.

also, i asked pete about this, and it was a rumor, there was no actual offer, so we can put this stupid stupid conversation to rest.

[thejetstolehome]

any trade involving c-webb is not a good deal for anyone. he is lazy and like it's been said, not much of a leader. the knicks need a ton of help and weber is not gonna bring that. if the knicks are to be good again, they really have to just dump the whole thing and start over.

[allisterkid]

adding in mo taylor's ONE year left at about 9.5, that puts the total money at even




tell me again how this is a salary dump?

Becuase they owe 40 millionish over two seasons. The Sixers then would owe 40 millionish over four seasons. Either way no one wants any of those contracts, but Webber's is the better of the two. Why do you guys think King was the one that rejected this trade and not Isiah Thomas, seriously!

[Caleb Cattivera]

I don't think Webber solves the Knicks problems. I don't think he even comes close to that. I just don't think you realize how awful of a contract Richardson has for the production he gives. Four years left. That was a terrible contract they gave him and they KEEP on doing it. I don't know how Quentin Richardson finds himself in a contract tier up with higher caliber players like Ron Artest, Chauncey Billups, and Rip Hamilton.

do you know how many overpaid players there are in the leauge? ALOT. all of your posts are irrelevant to me. and should be to everyone else. you're not the brightest person to ever come in here captain.

[xbrokendownx]

didnt mention mo taylors contract, i said q-rich's





add up the total money left on q rich's and mo taylor's contract and webber's contract



they both come out to around 44 million

[Caleb Cattivera]

any trade involving c-webb is not a good deal for anyone. he is lazy and like it's been said, not much of a leader. the knicks need a ton of help and weber is not gonna bring that. if the knicks are to be good again, they really have to just dump the whole thing and start over.

i so badly want to drop the ban hammer on this allisterkid for being an idiot.

[xbrokendownx]

I don't think Webber solves the Knicks problems. I don't think he even comes close to that. I just don't think you realize how awful of a contract Richardson has for the production he gives. Four years left. That was a terrible contract they gave him and they KEEP on doing it. I don't know how Quentin Richardson finds himself in a contract tier up with higher caliber players like Ron Artest, Chauncey Billups, and Rip Hamilton.






he was one of 4 guards in 03-04 to average 17 ppg and 6 rpg (tmac, j-rich, paul pierce) and im prtetty sure he led the league in 3pt shooting that year


so sure, hes overpaid, but they gave him a contract based on that. he wasnt used right last year

[supadupa003]

The knicks are a joke. It doesn't matter.

[allisterkid]

do you know how many overpaid players there are in the leauge? ALOT. all of your posts are irrelevant to me. and should be to everyone else. you're not the brightest person to ever come in here captain.

A lot of overpaid players, you're right. And the majority of them are on the Knicks They need to start dumping these contracts as quick as possible. Their total pay roll is about 140 million dollars (to players). Imagine what a team like the Spurs could do if they had 140 mill to dish out, but there payroll is below 70 million.

The point is that it's time for the Knicks to do whatever it takes to dump every bad contract they have.

[fcknazisympathy]

add up the total money left on q rich's and mo taylor's contract and webber's contract



they both come out to around 44 million

Fair enough, but still who would you rather have CWebb or Q-Rich/Mo Taylor

[xbrokendownx]

Fair enough, but still who would you rather have CWebb or Q-Rich/Mo Taylor






id rather NOT have cwebb, and i like qrich a lot so

[Caleb Cattivera]

he was one of 4 guards in 03-04 to average 17 ppg and 6 rpg (tmac, j-rich, paul pierce) and im prtetty sure he led the league in 3pt shooting that year


so sure, hes overpaid, but they gave him a contract based on that. he wasnt used right last year

yes, overpaid.

plus the knicks traded kurt thomas for q rich and nate rob. why would they make another trade to get another big?

once again guys, this was not an actual proposed deal. i promise.

[allisterkid]

he was one of 4 guards in 03-04 to average 17 ppg and 6 rpg (tmac, j-rich, paul pierce) and im prtetty sure he led the league in 3pt shooting that year


so sure, hes overpaid, but they gave him a contract based on that. he wasnt used right last year

You're right that's what they based it on and it was obviously a poor decision. But please don't even put (tmac, j-rich, paul pierce) because we all know that he was NEVER near that tier of players. He wasn't used right last year because he was put in the wrong situation. He won't be used right next year either because he's on the freaking Knicks and the Suns was the perfect situation for him (because he could fire at will). Get players that fit your particular style of play, not players that post big numbers the previous season.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Fair enough, but still who would you rather have CWebb or Q-Rich/Mo Taylor

q rich/mo taylor. i wouldn't want c webb on my team. looks like another shitty year for the sixers.

[xbrokendownx]

yes, overpaid.

plus the knicks traded kurt thomas for q rich and nate rob. why would they make another trade to get another big?

once again guys, this was not an actual proposed deal. i promise.






thats right...i forgot we traded for him


did they sign him to a new deal when they signed for him? or was that teh deal he was under in phoenix?

[allisterkid]

q rich/mo taylor. i wouldn't want c webb on my team. looks like another shitty year for the sixers.

Meanwhile your Knicks last season probably could have lost to some NBDL teams they were so ridiculous. You think I'm the idiot, but you're the one supporting this mockery of a basketball teams terrible decision making.

[Caleb Cattivera]

You're right that's what they based it on and it was obviously a poor decision. But please don't even put (tmac, j-rich, paul pierce) because we all know that he was NEVER near that tier of players. He wasn't used right last year because he was put in the wrong situation. He won't be used right next year either because he's on the freaking Knicks and the Suns was the perfect situation for him (because he could fire at will). Get players that fit your particular style of play, not players that post big numbers the previous season.

it doesnt matter if he's near that teir of players, he put those numbers up, and he IS capable of it. explain his numbers while he was with the clippers to me. please please. becasue he put up 17 and 6 wtih them...NOT with the suns. he averaged less ppg for the suns than with the clippers. i really think you dont know what you're talking about.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Meanwhile your Knicks last season probably could have lost to some NBDL teams they were so ridiculous. You think I'm the idiot, but you're the one supporting this mockery of a basketball teams terrible decision making.

where did i say i was a knicks fan? anywhere? no. ask anyone who comes into this forum, i am NOT a knick fan, and i regularly bash on the knicks. i love making fun of them, and had they made this trade, i would've made fun of them even more. and yes you are an idiot, dont accuse people of being a fan of a certain team, when they're not. you're new here, and you can be gone just as easily as you got here.

[xbrokendownx]

Meanwhile your Knicks last season probably could have lost to some NBDL teams they were so ridiculous. You think I'm the idiot, but you're the one supporting this mockery of a basketball teams terrible decision making.







you cant bash their decision making and then praise them trading for chris webber



the 2 dont go together




and caleb isnt a knicks fan. i am, and i know were a fucking mess. bringing in chris webber will make it even more of a mockery

[allisterkid]

it doesnt matter if he's near that teir of players, he put those numbers up, and he IS capable of it. explain his numbers while he was with the clippers to me. please please. becasue he put up 17 and 6 wtih them...NOT with the suns. he averaged less ppg for the suns than with the clippers. i really think you dont know what you're talking about.

He was on a terrible Clippers team. They had such an awful supporting cast there. He put up points, but they didn't win games. Why do you think Mike James looked so good this season with the Raptors, yet in games that he led the team in scoring the Raptors would lose? Same thing here; when Brand didn't play well and Q-Rich put up big points, that didn't consititute for a Clippers victory.

[Split2nd]

it doesnt matter if he's near that teir of players, he put those numbers up, and he IS capable of it. explain his numbers while he was with the clippers to me. please please. becasue he put up 17 and 6 wtih them...NOT with the suns. he averaged less ppg for the suns than with the clippers. i really think you dont know what you're talking about.
He still shot like shit from the field.

I think you're being a little harsh on this kid Caleb. He's saying a lot of valid things, no need to be such a dick to him. It's not like he's livethesounds ranting about the astros.

[Caleb Cattivera]

you cant bash their decision making and then praise them trading for chris webber



the 2 dont go together




and caleb isnt a knicks fan. i am, and i know were a fucking mess. bringing in chris webber will make it even more of a mockery

see? im not a knicks fan, hell, i think me and brokendown have gotten into about the knicks before. he knows i dont like them...but i know a bad trade when i see one, and trading for c webb would've been a mistake. but ONCE AGAIN IT WANST EVER PROPOSED.

[xbrokendownx]

He was on a terrible Clippers team. They had such an awful supporting cast there. He put up points, but they didn't win games. Why do you think Mike James looked so good this season with the Raptors, yet in games that he led the team in scoring the Raptors would lose? Same thing here; when Brand didn't play well and Q-Rich put up big points, that didn't consititute for a Clippers victory.






what the fuck are you talking about?!! the knicks are a terrible team too! and they didnt win! you cant use that as an argument

he was USED WRONG LAST YEAR.

[allisterkid]

where did i say i was a knicks fan? anywhere? no. ask anyone who comes into this forum, i am NOT a knick fan, and i regularly bash on the knicks. i love making fun of them, and had they made this trade, i would've made fun of them even more. and yes you are an idiot, dont accuse people of being a fan of a certain team, when they're not. you're new here, and you can be gone just as easily as you got here.

Don't fucking threaten to bad me just because you disagree with me. I'm sorry for calling you a Knicks fan (believe me I'd be mad if I got accused of it to), but for you to threaten to ban me from a website I have came to for the last 5 years just because you disagree with me is a shame. I am NOT new to this website and if you abused your power that badly then you're the one with the problem.

[Split2nd]

It comes down to whether you like Richardson or not. Webber's contract will end in two years, something the Knicks need: expiring contracts to come off the books. Richardson to me is a bad, one dimensional player, who can only shoot the three. Not good from the field, can't defend, doesn't rebound, etc. His contract runs for four years. If you like him, you wouldn't be in favor of this deal because you'd want to keep him around.

To me it'd be in the best interest to the Knicks to get rid of him, and this would help them do that. Webber to me is a better player than QRich. He is a consistent PF who can score 20 a game, and he's also a good rebounder. He's not a good defender, but he can do other things that can contribute. Caleb, your argument saying that CWebb doesn't catapult them is weak sauce. So they shouldn't do anything unless they're contenders? You always try to make your team better, to me this would make their team better and put them in a better financial situation in the future. Taking away PT from Frye/lee is a valid point.

[allisterkid]

It comes down to whether you like Richardson or not. Webber's contract will end in two years, something the Knicks need: expiring contracts to come off the books. Richardson to me is a bad, one dimensional player, who can only shoot the three. Not good from the field, can't defend, doesn't rebound, etc. His contract runs for four years. If you like him, you wouldn't be in favor of this deal because you'd want to keep him around.

To me it'd be in the best interest to the Knicks to get rid of him, and this would help them do that. Webber to me is a better player than QRich. He is a consistent PF who can score 20 a game, and he's also a good rebounder. He's not a good defender, but he can do other things that can contribute. Caleb, your argument saying that CWebb doesn't catapult them is weak sauce. So they shouldn't do anything unless they're contenders? You always try to make your team better, to me this would make their team better and put them in a better financial situation in the future. Taking away PT from Frye/lee is a valid point.

That is exactly what I've wanted to say about this proposed trade. It wouldn't have made them contenders but would put them in the best possible situation financially and probably talent-wise.

[Caleb Cattivera]

He was on a terrible Clippers team. They had such an awful supporting cast there. He put up points, but they didn't win games. Why do you think Mike James looked so good this season with the Raptors, yet in games that he led the team in scoring the Raptors would lose? Same thing here; when Brand didn't play well and Q-Rich put up big points, that didn't consititute for a Clippers victory.

when brand didnt play well? are you serious, the guy put up 20 and 10 for the season that year. brand had only four games in single digit points that year. he must have played every game bad for q rich to put up 17 per. i cant believe you're comparing mike james to fucking q rich. no comparison. once again. you have no validity in this forum until you say something halfway smart.

[Caleb Cattivera]

That is exactly what I've wanted to say about this proposed trade. It wouldn't have made them contenders but would put them in the best possible situation financially and probably talent-wise.

wrong.

[Caleb Cattivera]

He still shot like shit from the field.

I think you're being a little harsh on this kid Caleb. He's saying a lot of valid things, no need to be such a dick to him. It's not like he's livethesounds ranting about the astros.

no he's not. he's said one thing in this forum, that i've seen personally that was smart, and that saying that people should watch out for the rockets.

[allisterkid]

when brand didnt play well? are you serious, the guy put up 20 and 10 for the season that year. brand had only four games in single digit points that year. he must have played every game bad for q rich to put up 17 per. i cant believe you're comparing mike james to fucking q rich. no comparison. once again. you have no validity in this forum until you say something halfway smart.

That was talking about three years ago like you told me to talk about. Not last season when he should have been number 4 for MVP. Atleast you didn't threaten to ban me again (but I still don't think you understand why this trade would be good for the Knicks).

[Caleb Cattivera]

That was talking about three years ago like you told me to talk about. Not last season when he should have been number 4 for MVP. Atleast you didn't threaten to ban me again (but I still don't think you understand why this trade would be good for the Knicks).

this trade WOULDNT be good for the knicks. you have your stance, i have mine. it's not going to change.

im done arguing in here, it's pointless.

[allisterkid]

this trade WOULDNT be good for the knicks. you have your stance, i have mine. it's not going to change.

im done arguing in here, it's pointless.

It is pointless. I just think you took some shots at me that were totally unecessary in an attempt to get me to change sides.

I like you. I think you are a good staff member, and usually good to talk about sports too. But that you would threaten to ban me just for this convo is ridiculous. I have came to this site for a long time and even posted on his other forums before this one came along in November of '02.

I love talking about basketball and when someone disagrees with me I'll argue right back. It's fun. Ever watch PTI? I love the shit. But you are calling me an idiot based solely on this thread (a thread that is pretty much split in half opinion-wise). So get to know me a little more before you go taking your shots (especially threatening me with your power).

[xbrokendownx]

we need a little antoine to lighten up this thread

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[livethesounds]

you guys are silly

[xbrokendownx]

who needs CWebb when you have this stud?



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[Caleb Cattivera]

blackman is going to surprise alot of people.

[xbrokendownx]

balkman is going to surprise alot of people.






fixed :)

[FondestMemory]

blackman is going to surprise alot of people.

he already did.

by going in the first round.

[justinevans]

actually it wouldnt be that bad webbers contract expires in 2 years and isnt really a big contract

23 fucking million dollars a year isn't big?

[allisterkid]

23 fucking million dollars a year isn't big?

By big I'm assuming he meant lengthy. That's what I was trying to argue earlier in the point that financially it's not a bad trade at all.

[justinevans]

By big I'm assuming he meant lengthy. That's what I was trying to argue earlier in the point that financially it's not a bad trade at all.

stick to the lands of Montana.