Cavaliers, Lebron, Shaq, Championship?

[nomad1755]

So is it gonna finally happen this year for Cleveland?

[mantipede]

I pray, oh I pray.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

NBA discussion thread.

[Mibabalou]

fuck all you guys,

http://www.memphisflyer.com/images/blogimages/2009/06/27/1246163125-knicks_lee_070829.jpg

[wuduprod]

naa. it's called the cleveland collapse. they'll blow it somehow.

[spiffa0]

wait the NBA is a real sport?

[ninthandash]

yes please. cleveland hasn't had a championship team since a longgggg time ago.

[xsandwichesx]

if everybody can stay healthy and shaq contains howard when and if we meet them in the playoffs, chances are we could. Or I hope.. :-|

[carramrod2005]

We can always hope and pray...and then hope some more

[sleepyseanzzz]

doubt it but id like to see it

try knicks, lebron, bosh, championship next year

[You Won't Know]

Championship!

I think this is the year...

And by the way, I would bet $2000 that LeBron doesn't leave. Actually, I sort of did - I renewed my season tickets for next year so I guess we'll see...

[a nice person]

nope. based on the standings right now, they would most likely have to beat Boston, Orlando, and LA. you know they're gonna fuck up one of those series. they play great during the regular season, and lebron is the only one that does good in the playoffs. he had no support against orlando last year.

[JCSurf27]

doubt it but id like to see it

try knicks, lebron, bosh, championship next year

This

[And Hours Pass]

fuck all you guys,

http://www.memphisflyer.com/images/blogimages/2009/06/27/1246163125-knicks_lee_070829.jpg

It's hard being a Knicks fan. There are few of us left.

doubt it but id like to see it

try knicks, lebron, bosh, championship next year

Love you for saying this. :thumbup:

[xsandwichesx]

Championship!

I think this is the year...

And by the way, I would bet $2000 that LeBron doesn't leave. Actually, I sort of did - I renewed my season tickets for next year so I guess we'll see...
he isn't leaving there's not a doubt in my mind. these knicks fans can chill out now because he isn't bailing to go to a team that's rebuilding.

[itsmesean0630]

I hope so. I really like the Thunder and would like to see them do well, but LeBron is too good to be denied a championship.

[showmethefever]

The Thunder would be cooler if they were still the Sonics. They could also stop playing Thabo Sefolosha so much or just all together.

[InTheatersNow]

he isn't leaving there's not a doubt in my mind. these knicks fans can chill out now because he isn't bailing to go to a team that's rebuilding.

It would be like the celtics if the knicks got two of the big names. However, Bosh is going to chicago and wade and leBron are staying in their cities.

Why is Shaq in the title he is injured.

[ghostsender]

I have been a celtics fan since i was a little boy. The cavs do not have it to take it all the way in the post season. Neither does my team boston. I dont see them going any further then east conf. finals at most this year getting to old. Time to hit up free agency when ray allens contract expires.

I think the Thunder are going to get far with Durant, Westbrook , and Green.

[xsandwichesx]

It would be like the celtics if the knicks got two of the big names. However, Bosh is going to chicago and wade and leBron are staying in their cities.

Why is Shaq in the title he is injured.
True there. Cavs will probably a acquire a big name is free agency as well to keep lebron in town. plus he's a hometown native and wants to rep akron in the city of cleveland he's stated that a million times.

but say that again about shaq? that didnt make sense

[fflash]

doubt it but id like to see it

try knicks, lebron, bosh, championship next year

Gross, Chris Bosh doesn't deserve to win.

try nets, lebron, jay-z, playing 2v5

[fflash]

It would be like the celtics if the knicks got two of the big names. However, Bosh is going to chicago and wade and leBron are staying in their cities.

Why is Shaq in the title he is injured.

He'll be back for the playoffs, which aren't far off.

[InTheatersNow]

True there. Cavs will probably a acquire a big name is free agency as well to keep lebron in town. plus he's a hometown native and wants to rep akron in the city of cleveland he's stated that a million times.

but say that again about shaq? that didnt make sense

Why is shaq in the title of this thread if he is injured?

[InTheatersNow]

fflash thanks for the info.

[xsandwichesx]

Why is shaq in the title of this thread if he is injured?
shaq will be back for the playoffs. he's healthy now but is just resting up for the next 6 games. he's an old dude so it's smart having him 100% for the post season.

[sleepyseanzzz]

It would be like the celtics if the knicks got two of the big names. However, Bosh is going to chicago and wade and leBron are staying in their cities.

Why is Shaq in the title he is injured.

everything is wrong in this post. knicks will get two of the names you mentioned, then they would win a championship. the celtics will never win one again with their current squad though because they are too old and frail and have scalibrene, and shaq will be back since the playoffs are like 4 months long

[sleepyseanzzz]

he isn't leaving there's not a doubt in my mind. these knicks fans can chill out now because he isn't bailing to go to a team that's rebuilding.

then why would he stick with a team he can't win a championship with? please, you know he will. he's got too many homies in nyc like jay-z, cc, and arod. cleveland sucks who would want to ever even live there?

[InTheatersNow]

everything is wrong in this post. knicks will get two of the names you mentioned, then they would win a championship. the celtics will never win one again with their current squad though because they are too old and frail and have scalibrene, and shaq will be back since the playoffs are like 4 months long

Agreed on the celtics matter. I was just referencing them due to the fact that they bought a team and then went to the championship game after being terrible the year before. It's not really rebuilding if it only takes a year.

[inthemidst]

Nope, not the year. I think they'll lose to the Magic in the Eastern Conference Finals.

[inthemidst]

I hope so. I really like the Thunder and would like to see them do well, but LeBron is too good to be denied a championship.

As great of a player as he is, he can't do it by himself. Look what happened last year; the Cavs fell apart because no one else on the team was good enough to step up.

[sleepyseanzzz]

Agreed on the celtics matter. I was just referencing them due to the fact that they bought a team and then went to the championship game after being terrible the year before. It's not really rebuilding if it only takes a year.

oh definitely, my bad.

[derekmoyer4]

i sure hope that they do not. i fucking hate LeBron.

[nomad1755]

then why would he stick with a team he can't win a championship with? please, you know he will. he's got too many homies in nyc like jay-z, cc, and arod. cleveland sucks who would want to ever even live there?

no offense dude, you live in rhode island, cleveland itself is bigger than your state.

[nomad1755]

As great of a player as he is, he can't do it by himself. Look what happened last year; the Cavs fell apart because no one else on the team was good enough to step up.

but i feel like the cavs have more depth this year, right? Jamison has really fit in well, they now have more size (old but still big) with Z and shaq, verajeo and j.j. hickson have really developed well this year, and are critical parts of the teams success, and then having the additions of moon and parker, that gives them depth on the guard position, and more fire power if needed. Tahts just my opinion.

[inthemidst]

but i feel like the cavs have more depth this year, right? Jamison has really fit in well, they now have more size (old but still big) with Z and shaq, verajeo and j.j. hickson have really developed well this year, and are critical parts of the teams success, and then having the additions of moon and parker, that gives them depth on the guard position, and more fire power if needed. Tahts just my opinion.

Jamison has been OK, but I just think he'll have to play his absolute best to be the second fiddle to Lebron. Shaq has been pretty much a joke the whole year. He's just too old, and I don't think he has enough gas in the tank to play well. Verajeo I'll admit, is playing a LOT better this year than last year, and they'll definitely need his presence in the paint, mostly on the boards. I haven't noticed Hickson's play well enough to make that call, so not sure about him. I will say that their perimeter shooting has to be well above 30 percent to win the championship, which means Mo Williams has to be more consistent, and also Gibson and West.

[FondestMemory]

Jamison has been great since coming to cleveland. And shaq is anything but a joke. Hes been a great addition when healthy.

Its hard not to notice how great jj is coming along, and delonte is having a great season.

Not to mention boobie will have a hard time even making it on the court in the playoffs.

Reading that assessment makes me think you havent watched a single cavs game this season.

[sleepyseanzzz]

no offense dude, you live in rhode island, cleveland itself is bigger than your state.

i only go to school here, im from ny

[MonopolyMan]

either way shaqs out...not like he's a huge contributor but he does offer a lot of other things for the team...lebron just cant do it by himself...its impossible...maybe next year..go nuggets!! haha

[Steiny29]

he isn't leaving there's not a doubt in my mind. these knicks fans can chill out now because he isn't bailing to go to a team that's rebuilding.

the knicks would be a very progressed rebuilding team if they can get both and keep as many of their better role players as they have, as little as it is

[RiCCioLi]

I prey that they choke against Orlando again. And hopefully this time the Magic will win a championship

[NKYVox]

The Cavs will choke....they always do.

[herestoyoufla]

wait the NBA is a real sport?
Really?

[herestoyoufla]

Kobe.

[kwsqd]

Kobe nor Lebron will be in the finals this year.

[xsandwichesx]

then why would he stick with a team he can't win a championship with? please, you know he will. he's got too many homies in nyc like jay-z, cc, and arod. cleveland sucks who would want to ever even live there?
first off, he's a hometown native. second, he has friends and family he's been around his whole life in the cleveland/akron area. another goal of his in his lifetime is to represent akron and put them on the map. watch his 60 minutes interview he states it all. being from ohio, everybody knows he isn't leaving. he is set in cleveland and wants to be what jordan did for chicago, which is being the face of a franchise for life.

[xsandwichesx]

the knicks would be a very progressed rebuilding team if they can get both and keep as many of their better role players as they have, as little as it is
yeah, but don't count on it. it would be a loss on his end either way.

[sleepyseanzzz]

first off, he's a hometown native. second, he has friends and family he's been around his whole life in the cleveland/akron area. another goal of his in his lifetime is to represent akron and put them on the map. watch his 60 minutes interview he states it all. being from ohio, everybody knows he isn't leaving. he is set in cleveland and wants to be what jordan did for chicago, which is being the face of a franchise for life.

ok but dont cry when hes gone because he wants to be a billionaire and considered going overseas for it

[xsandwichesx]

ok but dont cry when hes gone because he wants to be a billionaire and considered going overseas for it
you know who owns the cavs right? it's the man who is the head of the largest chinese investment group in the world which happened last summer. you said lebron wants to be a billionaire right? in order to do that, you have to be marketed around the world and become a global sports icon. put two and two together, that deal kept lebron in cleveland. smart business move anybody will tell you.

[sleepyseanzzz]

you know who owns the cavs right? it's the man who is the head of the largest chinese investment group in the world which happened last summer. you said lebron wants to be a billionaire right? in order to do that, you have to be marketed around the world and become a global sports icon. put two and two together, that deal kept lebron in cleveland. smart business move anybody will tell you.

he'll be a knick in first place in the east this time next year

[preppyak]

he'll be a knick in first place in the east this time next year
haha...yeah...with that 1st round pick they have...and that roster full of talent they have...If they sign Lebron and another legit FA (Wade, Bosh, etc), they can't even keep David Lee

You think a starting lineup (and this is beyond a pipe-dream) of

1. Sergio Rodruiguez/Toney Douglass
2. Wade
3. Danillo Gallinari
4. Lebron
5. Eddie Curry

With JR Giddens, Bill Walker, and Wilson Chandler on the bench is enough to win the East?

[xsandwichesx]

he'll be a knick in first place in the east this time next year
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4202661

This is one of the main reasons he's staying.

[sleepyseanzzz]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4202661

This is one of the main reasons he's staying.

alright dogg, just dont cry when he is a knick next year

[preppyak]

alright dogg, just dont cry when he is a knick next year
You're reasons are

1. He has friends in NYC (Jay-z, Arod,etc)
2. He wants to be a billionaire (not gonna happen on b-ball alone)
3. The Knicks are also going to sign Bosh or Wade

Aside from the fact that #1 is a dumb point, #2 isn't really helped much by moving to NYC, and #3 is a long-shot at best...there are still so many other reasons NOT to go to NYC. The main one being that even with Wade or Bosh, they wouldn't have enough talent to have a legit starting lineup, much less an 8 or 9 deep roster. There isn't a single player on the Knicks roster who is better that the equivalent player on the Cavs roster who will still be a Knick next year.

The way he becomes a global icon...like Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods...is by winning titles. He doesn't win titles by moving to the Knicks

/waits for the "whatever, don't be mad when he's in NYC next year" response

[sleepyseanzzz]

You're reasons are

1. He has friends in NYC (Jay-z, Arod,etc)
2. He wants to be a billionaire (not gonna happen on b-ball alone)
3. The Knicks are also going to sign Bosh or Wade

Aside from the fact that #1 is a dumb point, #2 isn't really helped much by moving to NYC, and #3 is a long-shot at best...there are still so many other reasons NOT to go to NYC. The main one being that even with Wade or Bosh, they wouldn't have enough talent to have a legit starting lineup, much less an 8 or 9 deep roster. There isn't a single player on the Knicks roster who is better that the equivalent player on the Cavs roster who will still be a Knick next year.

The way he becomes a global icon...like Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods...is by winning titles. He doesn't win titles by moving to the Knicks

/waits for the "whatever, don't be mad when he's in NYC next year" response

no one was talking to you cocksucker

[xsandwichesx]

no one was talking to you cocksucker
his points are right.

[preppyak]

no one was talking to you cocksucker
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[a nice person]

lebron won't be a billionaire. he is nowhere near as marketable as jordan was. there's too many superstars in the league today for lebron to get jordan-like following.

[Zeran]

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lolololol

[nomad1755]

i only go to school here, im from ny

oooops, i just had to defend cleveland, got fam there ha

Jamison has been great since coming to cleveland. And shaq is anything but a joke. Hes been a great addition when healthy.

Its hard not to notice how great jj is coming along, and delonte is having a great season.

Not to mention boobie will have a hard time even making it on the court in the playoffs.

Reading that assessment makes me think you havent watched a single cavs game this season.

very valid points sir

[You Won't Know]

he isn't leaving there's not a doubt in my mind. these knicks fans can chill out now because he isn't bailing to go to a team that's rebuilding.

For the Knicks I predict they get Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh and another lesser player who will be grossly overpaid.

Awesome return for 3 years of tearing down the team.

[You Won't Know]

As great of a player as he is, he can't do it by himself. Look what happened last year; the Cavs fell apart because no one else on the team was good enough to step up.

We've added two additional high profile scoring options.

The reason they lost was not lack of offense, it was poor defense against the Magic - we couldn't match up against Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis. They lost Hedo and replaced him with Carter, who is much less effective.

Think about this - the Cavs have the same core that went to the conf. finals last year and added these players:

Antawn Jamison (20 point scorer and 10 boards, stretch 4 who can shoot the 3 pointer), Shaquille O'Neal (still effective defender in the post and a solid scorer down low), Anthony Parker (great 3 point shooter), Jamario Moon (lockdown small forward who can shoots threes) and Leon Powe (solid PF down low). They also developed two young players - JJ Hickson, who is now a monster finisher, and Jawad Williams, another big time shooter/defender.

They have the deepest team in the league by far. If the Cavs don't win, it would be a huge disappointment.

[gonz]

As great of a player as he is, he can't do it by himself. Look what happened last year; the Cavs fell apart because no one else on the team was good enough to step up.
Deepest team in the league.
then why would he stick with a team he can't win a championship with? please, you know he will. he's got too many homies in nyc like jay-z, cc, and arod. cleveland sucks who would want to ever even live there?
Have you ever been to Cleveland?
The Cavs will choke....they always do.
This Cavs team has only "choked" once, last year. When are the other times? They went from being the plucky upstart trying to get past the Pistons, to getting past the Pistons and being completely outmatched in the Finals, to suddenly falling behind the Celtics after they made the trades. Last year. That's it.

[inthemidst]

We've added two additional high profile scoring options.

The reason they lost was not lack of offense, it was poor defense against the Magic - we couldn't match up against Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis. They lost Hedo and replaced him with Carter, who is much less effective.

Think about this - the Cavs have the same core that went to the conf. finals last year and added these players:

Antawn Jamison (20 point scorer and 10 boards, stretch 4 who can shoot the 3 pointer), Shaquille O'Neal (still effective defender in the post and a solid scorer down low), Anthony Parker (great 3 point shooter), Jamario Moon (lockdown small forward who can shoots threes) and Leon Powe (solid PF down low). They also developed two young players - JJ Hickson, who is now a monster finisher, and Jawad Williams, another big time shooter/defender.

They have the deepest team in the league by far. If the Cavs don't win, it would be a huge disappointment.

You're stating facts that I already know. I know their new role players, I know they have a deep team, I know, I know, I know. There's no contention to who the best team in the league is as far as depth and talent, but I just don't think they'll get it done.

[omgrawr]

no one was talking to you cocksucker

sweet argument. saying nothing would have probably been the better response to being pwnt

[FallingOut]

We got it. Dont worry.

[OURHISTORY17]

fakse

[derekmoyer4]

We got it. Dont worry.
you got an ass-beating. hooray!

[sleepyseanzzz]

first off, he's a hometown native. second, he has friends and family he's been around his whole life in the cleveland/akron area. another goal of his in his lifetime is to represent akron and put them on the map. watch his 60 minutes interview he states it all. being from ohio, everybody knows he isn't leaving. he is set in cleveland and wants to be what jordan did for chicago, which is being the face of a franchise for life.

U mad? lol

[preppyak]

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[open mind]

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