Looks Like What We've Been Saying All Along

[Jason Tate]

Kerrang has released an article on Underoath (http://www.absolutepunk.net/underoath) leaving Warped Tour. It finally addresses many of the "rumors" floating around. The article has been attached to this newspost.

[irthesteve]

nothing new. we still don't know the reason

[Scott Weber]

good. i'm glad Fat Mike has come out and talked about this situation to bring some peace to it when he could have chosen to rock the boat even more.

[AShannon04]

shitty article

[Name_Taken]

um..i cant read that article

[Jason Tate]

nothing new. we still don't know the reason

You're never going to know the "exact" reason - because with bands there usually isn't "one" reason - it's a culmination of things.

What you now do know - is that there was NO drug use involved and it probably had to do with differing theories on Christianity within the band.

shitty article

Whatever.

[leftstranded]

i wish they would just come out and say what is going on. but i guess that's kinda up to them

[AShannon04]

You're never going to know the "exact" reason - because with bands there usually isn't "one" reason - it's a culmination of things.

What you now do know - is that there was NO drug use involved and it probably had to do with differing theories on Christianity within the band.



Whatever.

Haha, I just meant that it seemed like filler and didn't really add anything new. And we still can't say that drugs weren't the cause. Just because their manager denies it, doesn't mean it's true. I really doubt drugs had anything to do with it, but when something like this happens, people always tend to play down external forces.

[whitelines]

i love pcp

[love_american_style]

um..i cant read that article

i could. you have to click on the little box in the lower right hand corner.

maybe the band got mad at spencer for drinking beer with fat mike.....maybe they are so uptight that they dont aprove of their band mates even having a wine cooler.

[Kiss Of Octopus]

listen to the fat wreck chords podcast.
they quit the tour because they got mad at their singing for drinking beer with fat mike.
fat mike says it on the podcast.

[Jason Tate]

Haha, I just meant that it seemed like filler and didn't really add anything new. And we still can't say that drugs weren't the cause. Just because their manager denies it, doesn't mean it's true. I really doubt drugs had anything to do with it, but when something like this happens, people always tend to play down external forces.

You do realize Fat Mike denied that too, right?

[Fallinlove]

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Crazy!

[Snails]

Good that there was no drug use.

[myworstmistakes]

after reading that i was thinking what some of you guys are saying about them getting pissed about him drinking beer with fat mike. i only wonder if that got angry cause he was drinking the beer OR if it was because he was drinking it with someone that would let it be known and kind of mess up their whole no drugs/drinking/premarital sex thing. but i dont know that much about it so im rambling.

[unwritten]

Mad peeps viewing this.

[Name_Taken]

ok, i just read it now. and i remember on one Fuse video of Warped Tour, Fat Mike was in fact making fun of Underoath and the other religious bands(like Emery and Amber Pacific) for having a bible study later that day or something. Also, during that bible study he was there acting stupid and saying dumb things to be funny i guess.

[spencersface]

listen to the fat wreck chords podcast.
they quit the tour because they got mad at their singing for drinking beer with fat mike.
fat mike says it on the podcast.

haha if that's true that's pretty lame of the band. But, who knows.

[Kiss Of Octopus]

haha if that's true that's pretty lame of the band. But, who knows.
thats because underoath is a pretty lame band

[spencersface]

ok, i just read it now. and i remember on one Fuse video of Warped Tour, Fat Mike was in fact making fun of Underoath and the other religious bands(like Emery and Amber Pacific) for having a bible study later that day or something. Also, during that bible study he was there acting stupid and saying dumb things to be funny i guess.

Fat Mike was posing intelligent, critical questions regarding their faith, I don't see that as making fun (at least in context of the Bible Study as shown on that episode). He may point out certain ironies that make them look stupid for having said beliefs, but that's their fault for having those beliefs. (lol) He was actually really respectful on that video. He's a goofy guy, so that's how you might get a "to be funny" vibe...but really @ this point he has nothing to prove as his band is extremely successful and one of the founding Fathers of punk.

[Matt_Dizzle]

Underoath better not break up.
ill hunt down fat mike.
lol

[???]

underoath are a bunch of pussies anyways...."wah, we gotta leave the tour because our singer had a beer and was offered cocain by adrug addict!"

fuck them i'm glad they left the warped tour all that screamo shit is annoying anyways. it all sound the same to me.

[???]

Underoath better not break up.
ill hunt down fat mike.
lol

and do what....lecture him?

[Drew Beringer]

underoath are a bunch of pussies anyways...."wah, we gotta leave the tour because our singer had a beer and was offered cocain by adrug addict!"

fuck them i'm glad they left the warped tour all that screamo shit is annoying anyways. it all sound the same to me.

Cause NOFX has such diverse songs as well.

[Matt_Dizzle]

and do what....lecture him?

no kick his fuckin ass.
im not religious or anything to pull a stunt like that.. lecturing. psh.

[spencersface]

Cause NOFX has such diverse songs as well.

Well, they do, considering they go in and out of certain elements of ska and punk. However they helped found the entire genre of punk in general, so how much more diverse do you want them to go? They already helped to create a genre.

You're comparing NOFX to screamo, and one would hope a genre (screamo) is more diverse than a band (NOFX). So...your point is invalid, and you suck.

[spencersface]

no kick his fuckin ass.
im not religious or anything to pull a stunt like that.. lecturing. psh.

Why would you hunt down Fat Mike? It's been officially stated it wasn't his fault. If UO breaks up its their own fault for not being strong enough to be screamo pop icons like they turned themselves into. Looks like you should kick yourself in the ass for being stupid.

[Matt_Dizzle]

all NOFX songs are about shit that he thinks of when hes drunk or high.
he thinks of something that he hates and makes a 2 minute song about it and BOOM
people eat up that bullshit.

[???]

no kick his fuckin ass.
im not religious or anything to pull a stunt like that.. lecturing. psh.

hahaha. yeah...all right....at least you arent a pussy about it.

[spencersface]

no kick his fuckin ass.
im not religious or anything to pull a stunt like that.. lecturing. psh.

Oh, and religion wouldn't stop you from kicking ass, as just about every war in the world was started because of religion. So yeah, kick yourself in the ass twice.

[C480RG]

i would think that a christian band would agree to terms on their religious standpoints BEFORE even making songs or thinking about going into studio just so conflicts within the band would never happen. i mean this is the first time they stayed with the same lineup on multiple releases, so i would think that something else would be the reason.

rumors tend to hold some truth behind it.

[beerad]

who really cares anymore?

warped tour is over and i dont really care to see another post about why underoath left the tour? whether it was beer/drugs/beliefs/fat mike it doesnt matter. let them do what they need to do and let NOFX show the rest of the world how to "survive" a warped tour for yet another year. they are the kings of warped tour and i doubt that underoath will ever be returning as much as nofx have. i remmeber when warped used to be a punk rock summer camp? not this hardcore/screamo shit fest.

bring back the old days!

[spencersface]

all NOFX songs are about shit that he thinks of when hes drunk or high.
he thinks of something that he hates and makes a 2 minute song about it and BOOM
people eat up that bullshit.

Maybe some of them are that way, but at least he can help found a highly influential genre, survive in the music industry and make people happy. You still suck.

[spencersface]

who really cares anymore?

warped tour is over and i dont really care to see another post about why underoath left the tour? whether it was beer/drugs/beliefs/fat mike it doesnt matter. let them do what they need to do and let NOFX show the rest of the world how to "survive" a warped tour for yet another year. they are the kings of warped tour and i doubt that underoath will ever be returning as much as nofx have. i remmeber when warped used to be a punk rock summer camp? not this hardcore/screamo shit fest.

bring back the old days!

/agree

[fearthesloths]

if the band is actually pissed off because spencer drank beer with fat mike, that is ridiculous... i mean he had a couple of beers ... its not like he got wasted and strung out, burned a bible and pissed on a church doorstep... they need to lighten the fuck up.

i don't really believe that could be the only reason, surely they would have at least one halfway decent excuse.

[Matt_Dizzle]

Maybe some of them are that way, but at least he can help found a highly influential genre, survive in the music industry and make people happy. You still suck.

yeah your right but i still dislike the man.
agree to disagree

[spencersface]

all NOFX songs are about shit that he thinks of when hes drunk or high.
he thinks of something that he hates and makes a 2 minute song about it and BOOM
people eat up that bullshit.

Oh and also most music was made while people were drunk/high, so that's not news or offensive.

[spencersface]

yeah your right but i still dislike the man.
agree to disagree

Yeah it's perfectly fine to disagree and dislike the band. I'm not shoving their music down your throat. They're not my favorite band either. I just hate when people make ridiculous open-ended comments that have no truth simply to bash a person. Anyways, Snakes on a Plane comes out tomorrow. I'm afraid.

[Matt_Dizzle]

Oh and also most music was made while people were drunk/high, so that's not news or offensive.


yeah but everything he writes he tries to make offensive.other bands try to make they lyrics creative or influencial

[bobby runs]

isay were gonna find out more in the alt press article

[Matt_Dizzle]

Yeah it's perfectly fine to disagree and dislike the band. I'm not shoving their music down your throat. They're not my favorite band either. I just hate when people make ridiculous open-ended comments that have no truth simply to bash a person. Anyways, Snakes on a Plane comes out tomorrow. I'm afraid.


yessssir snakes on a muhphuggin plane.that movie is gunna get huge man.like napolean dynamite lol.

[spencersface]

yeah but everything he writes he tries to make offensive.other bands try to make they lyrics creative or influencial

a) we already said he was influential (you know, helping to create a genre, that kind of influence)

b) not all of his lyrics are offensive, he simply enjoys writing offensive music. Who cares if that's what gets him off.

[Chris Fallon]

Why is it when I see any post regarding this whole Underoath/NOFX thing, all of the biggest retards and assholes come out to post?

[???]

fat mike has a song about the day jarry garcia died.....august 8th.

"in the streets a bunch of hippies crying, august 8th is a beutifull day"

now thats offensive.

[Drew Beringer]

Well, they do, considering they go in and out of certain elements of ska and punk. However they helped found the entire genre of punk in general, so how much more diverse do you want them to go? They already helped to create a genre.

You're comparing NOFX to screamo, and one would hope a genre (screamo) is more diverse than a band (NOFX). So...your point is invalid, and you suck.

Sweet they've created a genre that has a ton of bands WAY BETTER than them. Creating a genre has nothing to do with being diverse, sorry NOFX does not stand out.

[love_american_style]

Why is it when I see any post regarding this whole Underoath/NOFX thing, all of the biggest retards and assholes come out to post?

because..uh....your mom! j/k

i totaly understand where your coming from....you get the hard core punx and the self-richous christian whackos batteling out like it's the arrmageddon.

[Drew Beringer]

all NOFX songs are about shit that he thinks of when hes drunk or high.
he thinks of something that he hates and makes a 2 minute song about it and BOOM
people eat up that bullshit.

Typical NOFX song:

OMG religion is dumb, I hate BUsh!!!rotfl LET's DRINK beer and fuck fat sluts! lolz

[HoboAdam]

everybody needs to chill about fat mike, he likes to fuck with people and alot of people in this world has no sense of humor anymore and thats why he does that. i just read an interview with aiden somewhere (i believe base001.net) where they said fat mike made fun of them on stage about wearing make up and their answer to that was he should make fun of us, we wear make up.

[love_american_style]

Typical NOFX song:

OMG religion is dumb, I hate BUsh!!!rotfl LET's DRINK beer and fuck fat sluts! lolz

hahaha...thats why i live those guys. sometimes i dont want a song with meaning.

[Drew Beringer]

hahaha...thats why i live those guys. sometimes i dont want a song with meaning.

but that's every song....



(hopefully people realize I'm exaggerating, but that's the typical theme of a NOFX song.)

[Scott Weber]

Typical NOFX song:

OMG religion is dumb, I hate BUsh!!!rotfl LET's DRINK beer and fuck fat sluts! lolz
haha, not really. nofx used to be pretty sweet.

[Drew Beringer]

haha, not really. nofx used to be pretty sweet.

Like I said above, I'm exaggerating, they've just never ever impressed me. They aren't even the best band on their label.

[love_american_style]

but that's every song....



(hopefully people realize I'm exaggerating, but that's the typical theme of a NOFX song.)

oh i know thats an exaggeration...they write songs about other stuff...but for the most part that is the overall formula for a typical nofx song.

[Drew Beringer]

oh i know thats an exaggeration...they write songs about other stuff...but for the most part that is the overall formula for a typical nofx song.

Haha, yeah, I'm just being a dick. But I still dislike NOFX.

[Chris Fallon]

but that's every song....



(hopefully people realize I'm exaggerating, but that's the typical theme of a NOFX song.)

I hear you, Drew. I like diversity as much as the next guy, but I still enjoy NOFX's songs, even though, yes...they pretty much run together after awhile.

For me, NOFX is a band I like to hear in a shuffle mix, because if I listen to every NOFX album in one sitting, I get bored of all the repetitive riffs, lyrics and such.

[spencersface]

Sweet they've created a genre that has a ton of bands WAY BETTER than them. Creating a genre has nothing to do with being diverse, sorry NOFX does not stand out.

They thought out of the box and stood out enough to have helped create the genre. Yeah there's better bands out now, but that doesn't discredit them. I respect them for what they've done, and for still being in the business. Underoath and most of the bands out right now won't be here in 5 years.

[love_american_style]

donnie is the biggest dick....he's always calling underoath a bunch of pussies....because he's so dedicated to fat mike....he would probably suck his dick if he had the chance.

[Drew Beringer]

They thought out of the box and stood out enough to have helped create the genre. Yeah there's better bands out now, but that doesn't discredit them. I respect them for what they've done, and for still being in the business. Underoath and most of the bands out right now won't be here in 5 years.

Underoath has already been around for about 8 years or so, they aren't just like a new band.

[spencersface]

For me, NOFX is a band I like to hear in a shuffle mix, because if I listen to every NOFX album in one sitting, I get bored of all the repetitive riffs, lyrics and such.

Agreed. They had some spice to an otherwise serious mix of music :)

[spencersface]

Underoath has already been around for about 8 years or so, they aren't just like a new band.

Didn't say they were new, but they haven't done anything special, and their careers are dwindling after their short-lived time in the spotlight.

[Drew Beringer]

Didn't say they were new, but they haven't done anything special, and their careers are dwindling after their short-lived time in the spotlight.

That's in your opinion, I could care less if they are in the spotlight, that shit doesn't matter to me.

[love_american_style]

Didn't say they were new, but they haven't done anything special, and their careers are dwindling after their short-lived time in the spotlight.

how so...i dont see that at all....if anything they're peaking.

[Drew Beringer]

Plus, I've always seen NOFX as the poor man's Green Day. But I'll also say that NOFX has more cred than Green Day now lol

[arizonahotrock]

Didn't say they were new, but they haven't done anything special, and their careers are dwindling after their short-lived time in the spotlight.


And since when has NoFX been in the spotlight? Like 96?

[Chris Fallon]

Underoath is peaking. They've been in the biz for 8 years, and are finally hitting their stride. I can understand why people wouldn't like their music, because it's positive (in a religiously-influenced way), and the screamo thing turns some people off. Personally, I love Underoath and some of the screamo shit pumps me up so much. I respect Underoath for making some of the best music out there (even if you took the vokes out, the music is just mindblowingly awesome), and for being true to themselves.

If they happen to become popular or get sucked into the world of rock n' roll, so be it. That's their choice, and I personally don't care and get my panties into a bunch when they don't hand out specific reasons for leaving the tour. That's a personal reason, and I just hope they can continue to make music. Not everyone is going to like a band, and it just seems like Underoath's religious ties give them a bad break. I pretty much consider myself an athiest and I still love their music, so it doesn't make a difference to me and it shouldn't to others...not that I'm saying that's the only reason they get so much shit. But it is one of them, and a big one at that.

[BlakeW]

Didn't say they were new, but they haven't done anything special, and their careers are dwindling after their short-lived time in the spotlight.

So I guess when your latest album sells more copies than any of your previous your career is dwindling?

[Troy will Fall]

I'm kind of relieved after reading that...

[arizonahotrock]

So I guess when your latest album sells more copies than any of your previous your career is dwindling?


Yeah, man. It's not punk at all to sell 100,000 records. Thus their punk career is dwindling.


In related news:

I really, really hate when people say stuff like that. I'm just being a smartass. Why can't we just all listen to the music without trying to criticize the bands that play it? I'm not religious at all...do I still like Underoath? Yes. In fact, I can be pretty offensive sometimes. Do I like NoFX? Not really. Seriously...why, when a band leaves a tour, does everyone have to believe there is some crazy controversy behind it? I've never done it, but I'm sure traveling from city to city in a bus with 6 other guys isn't the most fun in the world. You would definitely start to get pissed at each other, christian or not. You can only take so much close-quarter interaction with that many people. And, if that starts to affect your live show, then it's time to pack up and head home. Call me crazy...but I think that's the most rational reason out there...

[spencersface]

That's in your opinion, I could care less if they are in the spotlight, that shit doesn't matter to me.

I don't care about fame either, it's about the music. Like I've said, I like both bands, and you don't have to. Just don't say they suck, they obviously don't.

[spencersface]

So I guess when your latest album sells more copies than any of your previous your career is dwindling?

No, it's not all about record sales. It's about the music and their friendship (which they just dropped off a major tour to re-kindle). We can debate whether one of their CDs is better than the other for a million years and it'd come down to opinion, so I don't care to do that.

[spencersface]

Yeah, man. It's not punk at all to sell 100,000 records. Thus their punk career is dwindling.


In related news:

I really, really hate when people say stuff like that. I'm just being a smartass. Why can't we just all listen to the music without trying to criticize the bands that play it? I'm not religious at all...do I still like Underoath? Yes. In fact, I can be pretty offensive sometimes. Do I like NoFX? Not really. Seriously...why, when a band leaves a tour, does everyone have to believe there is some crazy controversy behind it? I've never done it, but I'm sure traveling from city to city in a bus with 6 other guys isn't the most fun in the world. You would definitely start to get pissed at each other, christian or not. You can only take so much close-quarter interaction with that many people. And, if that starts to affect your live show, then it's time to pack up and head home. Call me crazy...but I think that's the most rational reason out there...

Agreed. I'm simply defending a band that's getting attacked for stupid reason. I like both bands that are relevant to the post and really don't need to argue about the difference between the two or crown one over the other as the one with more talent.

[spencersface]

Underoath is peaking. They've been in the biz for 8 years, and are finally hitting their stride. I can understand why people wouldn't like their music, because it's positive (in a religiously-influenced way), and the screamo thing turns some people off. Personally, I love Underoath and some of the screamo shit pumps me up so much. I respect Underoath for making some of the best music out there (even if you took the vokes out, the music is just mindblowingly awesome), and for being true to themselves.

If they happen to become popular or get sucked into the world of rock n' roll, so be it. That's their choice, and I personally don't care and get my panties into a bunch when they don't hand out specific reasons for leaving the tour. That's a personal reason, and I just hope they can continue to make music. Not everyone is going to like a band, and it just seems like Underoath's religious ties give them a bad break. I pretty much consider myself an athiest and I still love their music, so it doesn't make a difference to me and it shouldn't to others...not that I'm saying that's the only reason they get so much shit. But it is one of them, and a big one at that.

I don't judge Underoath for being religiously orientated, or for becoming more popular. Personally I think they peaked at They're Only Chasing Safety and dropping off of a major tour can't be a good thing. Not saying they're breaking up, but that's what I meant by dwindling. I'm glad they've gotten to go out and do their thing. Kudos to them. I was defending NOFX because people were bashing them unnecessarily.

Anyways, I'm done with this thread. It's too much work lol.

[C480RG]

Yeah, man. It's not punk at all to sell 100,000 records. Thus their punk career is dwindling.

what the fuck are you talking about

#1. Theyre Only Chasing Safety has sold over 300,000 copies
#2. Define The Great Line has sold 209,731 copies in a 2 month span.
#3. Those numbers are actually SOLID numbers for an independent label release.

theyre far from dwindling. Theyre Only Chasing Safety was what got them the attention and anticipation for Define The Great Line, an album that debuted #2 on the Billboard 200 their first week in sales. Do me a favor and cancel your account.

[arizonahotrock]

what the fuck are you talking about

#1. Theyre Only Chasing Safety has sold over 300,000 copies
#2. Define The Great Line has sold 209,731 copies in a 2 month span.
#3. Those numbers are actually SOLID numbers for an independent label release.

theyre far from dwindling. Theyre Only Chasing Safety was what got them the attention and anticipation for Define The Great Line, an album that debuted #2 on the Billboard 200 their first week in sales. Do me a favor and cancel your account.


Sarcasm eludes you.

[DeadCityScars]

Nothing really exciting. I think Fat Mike is just an attention grabbing whore. He must be the most annoying 'friend' ever.

[C480RG]

Sarcasm eludes you.

it may.

[arizonahotrock]

Agreed. I'm simply defending a band that's getting attacked for stupid reason. I like both bands that are relevant to the post and really don't need to argue about the difference between the two or crown one over the other as the one with more talent.


Word...and I'm sorry, if they left because Fat Mike made fun of them (which they clearly didn't) that would be the absolute worst reason for leaving a tour. There's no reason to place any blame on Fat Mike or NoFX for this. I'm sorry, it just doesn't cut it. Like I said before, I like Underoath and don't really like NoFX, so...this is not me sucking up to NoFX...this is just me observing the situation from an outside perspective, which we all are. Some just happen to be a little more rational than others...

[C480RG]

if thats one thing i hate about online convos and forums is at times, its hard to distinguish between the sarcastic and the dumbfucks.

[relevanceof27]

everybody needs to chill about fat mike, he likes to fuck with people and alot of people in this world has no sense of humor anymore and thats why he does that. i just read an interview with aiden somewhere (i believe base001.net) where they said fat mike made fun of them on stage about wearing make up and their answer to that was he should make fun of us, we wear make up.

That made me laugh pretty hard. That's quite a respectable quote from Aiden..at least they know what they are.

Also, while NOFX may not be the greatest band in the world, a lot of people still do like them. They do what they do, are pretty great at it, and some kids are still way into that. UnderOath are in the exact same boat, just on the opposite side. Every popular band has fans, and also people that hate them. It will always be that way; it's really pointless to argue the way you do every time some bit of controversy happens. Why can't people just sit back, chill the fuck out, and let things be what they are?

[arizonahotrock]

That made me laugh pretty hard. That's quite a respectable quote from Aiden..at least they know what they are.

Also, while NOFX may not be the greatest band in the world, a lot of people still do like them. They do what they do, are pretty great at it, and some kids are still way into that. UnderOath are in the exact same boat, just on the opposite side. Every popular band has fans, and also people that hate them. It will always be that way; it's really pointless to argue the way you do every time some bit of controversy happens. Why can't people just sit back, chill the fuck out, and let things be what they are?

Preach the fuck on, brother. It's music...not politics.

[hypocrisy101]

They're Only Chasing safety, I almost consider that to be the first almost record as played by Underoath. They wrote it without Spencer. While TOCS elevated them way way above and beyond what they did with Dallas, I think Define the great line is them getting into stride. There's brilliant lyrics, good guitar work, and Spencer truly showed his mic skills. Underoath has a lot more good material to come out with, it would be a shame to see them be done.

Aaaaaand anyone that says nofx founded punk or helped found it is completely out of there mind. yes nofx has been a mainstay in the punk scene for fifteen years, and have been around even longer, but they by no means started\founded\helped found punk. They've done a lot for punk in the means of starting fat wreck, but they are far from any kind of punk founder

[love_american_style]

........Do me a favor and cancel your account.

how does one do that? i seriously dont know how.

[love_american_style]

Anyways, I'm done with this thread. It's too much work lol.

you mean its too much of you getting owned.lol

[arizonahotrock]

how does one do that? i seriously dont know how.

You can't. This is all a crazy pyramid scheme that Jason Tate has involved us all in. We've, in all actuality, sold ourselves to the future communist regime headed by The DicTATEr (as he'll not so cleverly call himself). Buckle your seatbelts and get ready for one hell of a hammer and sickle ride.

[love_american_style]

You can't. This is all a crazy pyramid scheme that Jason Tate has involved us all in. We've, in all actuality, sold ourselves to the future communist regime headed by The DicTATEr (as he'll not so cleverly call himself). Buckle your seatbelts and get ready for one hell of a hammer and sickle ride.

hahahaha.....no really.

[C480RG]

You can't. This is all a crazy pyramid scheme that Jason Tate has involved us all in. We've, in all actuality, sold ourselves to the future communist regime headed by The DicTATEr (as he'll not so cleverly call himself). Buckle your seatbelts and get ready for one hell of a hammer and sickle ride.

hahahaha. i didnt notice that theres not an option for that (or that i have seen yet)

[Chemical Love]

If I was on Warped Tour I would party my balls off, and prolly with Fat Mike. He sounds like a fun guy.

[love_american_style]

hahahaha. i didnt notice that theres not an option for that (or that i have seen yet)

i was just curious.....for future reference.

[love_american_style]

If I was on Warped Tour I would party my balls off, and prolly with Fat Mike. He sounds like a fun guy.

yeah me too.

[werealldudes19]

i just wish they would tell everyone what is going on
this is bullshit, they should let people know

[MOOF]

How can people say that there was noo drug use???

At least we see that Underoath didn't have any coke, bu c'mon...


Fat Mike offered it to him meaning that he was doing it....

[stevecrumb]

i, personally, doubt that differing religious views are the reason. who on that tour do you think has the exact same views on religion - or anything for that matter - with the rest of their band. sometimes people just get tired of each other after a while. there's nothing wrong with that. it doesn't always have to be some huge ordeal.

[com(?)]

Gosh don't they look utterly ridiculous in that picture.

Kerrang! doesn't have any decent writers. AT ALL.

[XErikxthexRedX]

Does anyone know if UO still plans on doing there already confirmed fall dates, I mean there has been no official statement either way but, its getting closer and closer, and if they are gonna drop off that statement needs to be coming soon. I mean officially the band has made no statement of any kind in regards to when they are jumping back into action. Not that i can really go to either of their planned fall tours, but I think a lot of people out there are going to want to know here priddy soon.

[love_american_style]

Does anyone know if UO still plans on doing there already confirmed fall dates, I mean there has been no official statement either way but, its getting closer and closer, and if they are gonna drop off that statement needs to be coming soon. I mean officially the band has made no statement of any kind in regards to when they are jumping back into action. Not that i can really go to either of their planned fall tours, but I think a lot of people out there are going to want to know here priddy soon.

well they have to wait for spencer to get out of rehab first.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

If Underoath breaks up because one of their friends had a drink with some other guy in another band, they better step back and look at themselves..

I do not believe that's why they dropped off of Warped, but if it does come out that's the reason, it's pitiful.

[TSLManager]

well they have to wait for spencer to get out of rehab first.


Spencer is NOT in REHAB!!

I looked him right in the face and talked to him for an hour Monday night in the International Plaza Mall in Tampa.

This is a tough time for the band and they don’t want to keep their fans in the dark but there isn’t a simple answer. They should have more info to share with their fans within the next few days. In a few weeks the AP cover story will be out and that tells a big portion of why they are home right now. I am talking to these guys every day and there are many things which I will leave to them to talk about once they work together to figure it out, relationships are a funny thing and are not always easy to explain.

Nothing would make the band happier than to have the information to give that everyone is looking. Before they can do that they need to find the answers for themselves and then can share with their fans.


Randy
Underoath’s manager

So hold your head up high and know, It’s not the end of the road, Walk down this beaten path, Before you pack your things and head home at the end of the road you’ll find what you’ve been longing for!

[baton]

i believe they'll be fine, and i hope they will be back until TOC starts in europe

[love_american_style]

Spencer is NOT in REHAB!!

I looked him right in the face and talked to him for an hour Monday night in the International Plaza Mall in Tampa.

This is a tough time for the band and they don’t want to keep their fans in the dark but there isn’t a simple answer. They should have more info to share with their fans within the next few days. In a few weeks the AP cover story will be out and that tells a big portion of why they are home right now. I am talking to these guys every day and there are many things which I will leave to them to talk about once they work together to figure it out, relationships are a funny thing and are not always easy to explain.

Nothing would make the band happier than to have the information to give that everyone is looking. Before they can do that they need to find the answers for themselves and then can share with their fans.


Randy
Underoath’s manager

So hold your head up high and know, It’s not the end of the road, Walk down this beaten path, Before you pack your things and head home at the end of the road you’ll find what you’ve been longing for!

whoa. whoa. whoa....i was joking with the kid dude....i knew i would get a reaction out of some one with that...if they were dumb enough to belive me.

[TSLManager]

whoa. whoa. whoa....i was joking with the kid dude....i knew i would get a reaction out of some one with that...if they were dumb enough to belive me.


Sadly I have seen that rumor a bunch and it drives me nuts. My reply was something written about all the comments and not just your's I had a feeling you may have been sarcastic.

For the record if I havent said it before Punk in Drublic is one of my favorite records and talking to Fat Mike about Underoath was one of the most sureal experiances of my life. That dude may rip on them and question them but he actually cares about them too!

[AbsentTruth]

The reason is because Spencer has been drinking. My friend RJ is friends with Spencer's brother and I guess he's a heavy drinker also so RJ said it didn't suprise him. And my friend Gabe who is touring and filling in guitar for sherwood said that he talked to Aaron about it and said that the reason they dropped off was because of Spencer drinking and shit.

[TSLManager]

Everyone thinks they know the truth, unless you have sat in a room with all six guys and talked to them for six hours you don't have a clue!



The reason is because Spencer has been drinking. My friend RJ is friends with Spencer's brother and I guess he's a heavy drinker also so RJ said it didn't suprise him. And my friend Gabe who is touring and filling in guitar for sherwood said that he talked to Aaron about it and said that the reason they dropped off was because of Spencer drinking and shit.

[spencersface]

you mean its too much of you getting owned.lol

Yeah right you don't own shit, let alone this conversation. Go ahead and be ignorant. I was getting off work and didn't care enough to keep arguing when I'm not getting paid to do it anymore.

[Venona]

i love Fat Mike just admits to doing Coke.

[againstthecoast]

i wish underoath wasnt a string of five vaginas. i dont care what little problems they are having. their "friendship" is not the most important thing right now. music is a business and as veteran musicians they, of anyone, should know this. they have an obligation to their fans to tour and to their label to promote their new cd. to be honest, im so tired of hearing about all of this, and im so pissed that they dropped off warped tour that i dont even care the reason anymore.


sticks and stones will break my bones, but fat mikes words make underoath cry

[Shatter_Glass]

good. i'm glad Fat Mike has come out and talked about this situation to bring some peace to it when he could have chosen to rock the vote even more.


Fixed.

[oldprospector]

My theory: 30 Seconds to Mars Orcestrated a massive and complicated plot to get underoath off warped to get their main stage spot. THEY MUST BE STOPPED! WHOS WITH ME?

[shuckinNjivin]

Fat Mike was posing intelligent, critical questions regarding their faith, I don't see that as making fun (at least in context of the Bible Study as shown on that episode). He may point out certain ironies that make them look stupid for having said beliefs, but that's their fault for having those beliefs. (lol) He was actually really respectful on that video. He's a goofy guy, so that's how you might get a "to be funny" vibe...but really @ this point he has nothing to prove as his band is extremely successful and one of the founding Fathers of punk.

founding fathers of punk?? wtf are you on, no way in hell...

[shuckinNjivin]

You can't. This is all a crazy pyramid scheme that Jason Tate has involved us all in. We've, in all actuality, sold ourselves to the future communist regime headed by The DicTATEr (as he'll not so cleverly call himself). Buckle your seatbelts and get ready for one hell of a hammer and sickle ride.

yeah you are right you cant, thats why there are so many "users" on this site, most of them prob arent really active anymore, shit i know i myself prob have like 10, 9 of which have been banned. so whenever tate says he has X amount of users on his site, its really a big overstated number to make the site sound better than it is. "my word".

[shuckinNjivin]

How can people say that there was noo drug use???

At least we see that Underoath didn't have any coke, bu c'mon...


Fat Mike offered it to him meaning that he was doing it....

yeah you are right i think. its hard to resist a big fat rail of yayo in your face. i mean shit its so expensive its like resisting money that makes you have fun in powder form. i wanna party with fat mike even though i hate the dude, i would still blow all his chach.

[shuckinNjivin]

Spencer is NOT in REHAB!!

I looked him right in the face and talked to him for an hour Monday night in the International Plaza Mall in Tampa.

This is a tough time for the band and they don’t want to keep their fans in the dark but there isn’t a simple answer. They should have more info to share with their fans within the next few days. In a few weeks the AP cover story will be out and that tells a big portion of why they are home right now. I am talking to these guys every day and there are many things which I will leave to them to talk about once they work together to figure it out, relationships are a funny thing and are not always easy to explain.

Nothing would make the band happier than to have the information to give that everyone is looking. Before they can do that they need to find the answers for themselves and then can share with their fans.


Randy
Underoath’s manager

So hold your head up high and know, It’s not the end of the road, Walk down this beaten path, Before you pack your things and head home at the end of the road you’ll find what you’ve been longing for!

yeah cause a manager is a reliable source. thats like getting info from the band's PR team...

[TSLManager]

What part of my post do you think I'm lying about? I have not and will not lie for my bands! I'm sure if you look hard enough you will find fans who saw him in the mall Monday night too. Other than that why would I lie about them keeping secrets from their fans, wouldnt it be easier for me to post what was going on?

When the band knows whats going on I can promise you it will be up here and everywhere else the second i get off the phone with them.

There are a few people in the music biz with integrity.


yeah cause a manager is a reliable source. thats like getting info from the band's PR team...

[robsmith]

but that's every song....



(hopefully people realize I'm exaggerating, but that's the typical theme of a NOFX song.)


Nope, sorry dude. Go listen to a band before you try to talk about their music. Cheers

[KozmoKramer]

alright all of you retards, why dont u have an open fucking mind about this shit.

You who all call underoath pussies..u have a close minded view of music. not everything is going to be punk..or ska..or what you like DEAL WITH IT. and just cuz they scream doesnt make them pussies. what a hasty generalization. Underoath actually has very inspiring lyrics if u read them on the new cd...but i guess none of u would actually take the time to do that because u denounce them jsut cuz they are "SCREAMO"

and for those of you hating fat mike. what a dumbass excuse. if UO says thats not the reason. THEN ITS NOT. im pretty damn sure if it was him who did it..they would say so. Fat Mike is a very outspoken figure in the music community. he speaks his mind, but also covers his ass..all of you trying to be like fat mike on here..like making fun of underoath..are retards...cuz u dont know what he did behind the scenes to make friends with them. HE does not hate on any music SERIOUSLY..as a founding father of a genre of music he realizes how important it is to have bands liek UO around..otherwise every band would be punk and sound the exact same..

pretty tiresome pretty qucik i say...so why dont u guys look at both sides before opening ur big fucking mouths and looking stupid

I love both these bands and wish them both the best.

[bobbob]

Plus, I've always seen NOFX as the poor man's Green Day.
WTF? Seriously.

[love_american_style]

Yeah right you don't own shit, let alone this conversation. Go ahead and be ignorant. I was getting off work and didn't care enough to keep arguing when I'm not getting paid to do it anymore.

chill bill i was joking....damn you're sensitive.

[C480RG]

alright all of you retards, why dont u have an open fucking mind about this shit.

You who all call underoath pussies..u have a close minded view of music. not everything is going to be punk..or ska..or what you like DEAL WITH IT. and just cuz they scream doesnt make them pussies. what a hasty generalization. Underoath actually has very inspiring lyrics if u read them on the new cd...but i guess none of u would actually take the time to do that because u denounce them jsut cuz they are "SCREAMO"

and for those of you hating fat mike. what a dumbass excuse. if UO says thats not the reason. THEN ITS NOT. im pretty damn sure if it was him who did it..they would say so. Fat Mike is a very outspoken figure in the music community. he speaks his mind, but also covers his ass..all of you trying to be like fat mike on here..like making fun of underoath..are retards...cuz u dont know what he did behind the scenes to make friends with them. HE does not hate on any music SERIOUSLY..as a founding father of a genre of music he realizes how important it is to have bands liek UO around..otherwise every band would be punk and sound the exact same..

pretty tiresome pretty qucik i say...so why dont u guys look at both sides before opening ur big fucking mouths and looking stupid

I love both these bands and wish them both the best.

Amen. except for the Fat Mike a founding father. hes definitely one of the most influential, original and respected individuals on the scene. Its kinda like calling Chris Conley a founding father and looking past Jeremy Enigk and Blake Schwartzenbach.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND I SAID "KINDA LIKE", i love me some Saves The Day.

[KozmoKramer]

Amen. except for the Fat Mike a founding father. hes definitely one of the most influential, original and respected individuals on the scene. Its kinda like calling Chris Conley a founding father and looking past Jeremy Enigk and Blake Schwartzenbach.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND I SAID "KINDA LIKE", i love me some Saves The Day.

alright yea he may not be a founding father..but for sure he is very very influential and big in the genre. point taken. this Nofx vs. underoath thing rly makes my head hurt. lol i guess its nice to see that the bands have such dedicated fans that they would fight with ppl for them even when there is nothing to fight about lol

[C480RG]

alright yea he may not be a founding father..but for sure he is very very influential and big in the genre. point taken. this Nofx vs. underoath thing rly makes my head hurt. lol i guess its nice to see that the bands have such dedicated fans that they would fight with ppl for them even when there is nothing to fight about lol

oh totall. i got to catch NOFX for the first time this past warped, and it was freaking awesome to just watch their show. i can honestly say i have a high level of respect for that man. that MTV article about this year's warped was so true and very accurate.

This whole situation with Underoath is blown out of the water. This kind of thing happens more than they know. the only thing thats different with this is the timing of events. The people are KINDA starting to treat Underoath like they treated Fall Out Boy last year.... Everyone had their own opinion (mostly how theyre shitty bands or they suck, or theyre a bunch of vaginas, and yet their albums continue to sale and turn heads.)