Tom Brady a user?

[justinevans]

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Federal prosecutors will ask a judge to throw Barry Bonds' personal trainer back in jail Thursday if he again refuses to testify, this time before a newly assembled grand jury that is reportedly also investigating track coach Trevor Graham.

In a statement to prosecutors about his intentions to stay mum, Greg Anderson also evoked the name of New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, saying the two had spoken over the phone but never made further contact.

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"I had only one brief conversation with Tom Brady regarding a potential future workout," Anderson said in the statment to prosecutors that was included in court documents unsealed Wednesday. "I never had another phone conversation with him and never discussed it with anyone."

Paula Canny, an Anderson attorney and friend, said Brady's name appears along with "10 to 20" other athletes that Anderson's grand jury subpoena lists as people the trainer should be prepared to answer questions about. Canny said investigators may have gotten Brady's name from Anderson phone records seized by the government, though Anderson doesn't refer to any other athletes in his brief statement.

Brady attended the same Bay Area high school as Bonds. His agent, Donald Yee, couldn't be reached for comment Wednesday, and the New England Patriots declined comment on Anderson's statement.

"I don't have any information on it," Patriots spokesman Stacey James said. "I'm not going on hearsay."

Anderson has refused on four different occasions to testify before federal grand juries investigating Bonds. He was released from prison July 20 after serving 15 days for refusing to testify, but only after that grand jury's term expired.

"I will not ever make statements about other people," Anderson said in the June 23 statement filed with the court. "That has always been my position and will continue to be."

On Thursday, prosecutors planned to ask U.S. District Judge William Alsup to send Anderson to prison if he stands by that policy.

Government lawyers are investigating whether Bonds lied under oath when he told an earlier grand jury he didn't know whether the substances given to him by Anderson were steroids. The grand jury probe also reportedly is focused on whether the San Francisco Giants slugger paid taxes on the sale of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sports memorabilia.

The New York Times reported last month that the grand jury is also looking into the possible involvement of Graham, the track coach of Marion Jones and Justin Gatlin, who tested positive earlier this year for elevated testosterone.

Anderson previously served three months in prison after pleading guilty to steroid distribution and money laundering stemming from the government's investigation of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, which that allegedly supplied Bonds and other elite athletes with performance-enhancing drugs.

Some legal experts see Anderson as the key to proving the perjury allegations, since Bonds reportedly testified that the trainer gave him two substances that fit the description of "the cream" and "the clear" -- two performance-enhancing drugs linked to BALCO.

In 2003, Bonds reportedly testified to the grand jury investigating BALCO that he believed the substances were flaxseed oil and arthritis balm, not steroids.

Anderson also could offer insight into the doping calendars bearing Bonds' name that were seized when federal agents raided Anderson's house, according to court papers connected to the steroids probe.

But Anderson's lawyers say he shouldn't have to testify because of the numerous leaks of secret grand jury testimony to the San Francisco Chronicle during the course of the four-year investigation. Chronicle reporters Lance Williams and Mark Fainaru-Wada have written a book based largely on leaked testimony.

A federal judge has told the reporters they must tell a grand jury who leaked them secret testimony. The pair have said they would go to jail rather than reveal their source or sources.

Anderson's lawyers also say the agreement he made with prosecutors to plead guilty last year in the BALCO case stipulated he wouldn't have to cooperate in the investigation. Anderson also shouldn't have to testify because he was the target of an illegal wiretap, they argue.

The new grand jury ordering Anderson's testimony can stay in session for as long as 18 months. By law, an intransigent Anderson can be locked up for the grand jury's full term, though a judge can free him sooner if convinced he never will talk.

it seems brady and bonds are both using or at least it's possable.

[FondestMemory]

i fucking hate the media.

it was one fucking phone call like 5 years ago.

but nope, let's run it as a story.

fucking stupid.

[preppyak]

I agree...he admits it was only once, briefly, that they talked. There was no return call, no visit, no partnership.

But, this is what steroid users have done to sports...one of the most pure seeming athletes, known for his ridiculous work ethic, has come under the gun.

[bigmike]

Even if it is just 1 phone call, this is news. I'm not saying they should harp on it, but for one day I don't see the reason why this SHOULDN'T be reported.

However, if it carries on into tomorrow, then it becomes ridiculous.

[preppyak]

Even if it is just 1 phone call, this is news. I'm not saying they should harp on it, but for one day I don't see the reason why this SHOULDN'T be reported.

However, if it carries on into tomorrow, then it becomes ridiculous.
Kind of like the TO coverage...so, I don't hold high hopes.

I see this running it's course through the weekend, being mentioned in the coverage of whatever game Brady plays in. Remember, Lance Armstrong just threw the NFL under the bus a week or less back, and now this...people need a new story badly enough, they'll pretend anything is a dot to connect.

[bigmike]

Kind of like the TO coverage...so, I don't hold high hopes.

I see this running it's course through the weekend, being mentioned in the coverage of whatever game Brady plays in. Remember, Lance Armstrong just threw the NFL under the bus a week or less back, and now this...people need a new story badly enough, they'll pretend anything is a dot to connect.
Well the NFL does need to look at itself. I do think there's a good amount of performance-enhancment going on. Players have said that they know when the tests are coming and what to take to mask it and if baseball players like Palmeiro are on steroids, then guys double his size or linebackers that are 245 lbs could be on them as well. Especially with as routine as those test are in terms of everyone knowing when they're coming.

[FondestMemory]

Even if it is just 1 phone call, this is news. I'm not saying they should harp on it, but for one day I don't see the reason why this SHOULDN'T be reported.

However, if it carries on into tomorrow, then it becomes ridiculous.

if he were to call greg anderson today and discuss a workout, yes it's news. because of what greg anderson is associated with.

but this took place back in 2001 when greg anderson was just a personal trainer. before all the balco shit hit the fan.

[bigmike]

if he were to call greg anderson today and discuss a workout, yes it's news. because of what greg anderson is associated with.

but this took place back in 2001 when greg anderson was just a personal trainer. before all the balco shit hit the fan.
...so Greg Anderson wasn't into steroids in 2001? Just because he was a free man then doesn't mean he wasn't doing things involved with steriods.

I'm definitely not saying Tom Brady is on the 'roids, and like I said, I don't think it's newsworthy for any other day except for today.

However, when the face of the NFL and the guy that's widely regarded as the best QB in the league right now and constantly drawing comparisons to Joe Montana has a private telephone call to Greg Anderson, it's newsworthy for a day. nothing will come of it and nothing should come of it and hopefully the story drops off tomorrow but to discredit it as not even newsworthy isn't right either, imo.

[Brownpants06]

maybe espn can report the big shit i just took. maybe the size of it indicates i was on roids.

[FondestMemory]

...so Greg Anderson wasn't into steroids in 2001? Just because he was a free man then doesn't mean he wasn't doing things involved with steriods.

I'm definitely not saying Tom Brady is on the 'roids, and like I said, I don't think it's newsworthy for any other day except for today.

However, when the face of the NFL and the guy that's widely regarded as the best QB in the league right now and constantly drawing comparisons to Joe Montana has a private telephone call to Greg Anderson, it's newsworthy for a day. nothing will come of it and nothing should come of it and hopefully the story drops off tomorrow but to discredit it as not even newsworthy isn't right either, imo.

no, i wasn't saying greg anderson wasn't involved in steroids in 2001. i'm saying, his name wasn't associated with steroids at the time. you didn't automatically think steroids when you heard his name.

a young tom brady calling him, was simply just calling a personal trainer who's clients had a lot of success.

i'm just saying, under the circumstances when it took place, it wasn't news then, and i still don't think it's news now.

[bigmike]

no, i wasn't saying greg anderson wasn't involved in steroids in 2001. i'm saying, his name wasn't associated with steroids at the time. you didn't automatically think steroids when you heard his name.

a young tom brady calling him, was simply just calling a personal trainer who's clients had a lot of success.

i'm just saying, under the circumstances when it took place, it wasn't news then, and i still don't think it's news now.
It's news now based on what we know. He's a trainer who is involved in steroids. It's news. end of story.

tomorrow it isn't, but today it is.

[FondestMemory]

It's news now based on what we know. He's a trainer who is involved in steroids. It's news. end of story.

tomorrow it isn't, but today it is.

i just don't like associating somebody's name with it who had nothing to do with it.

not everybody reads into the news. they get keywords. reporting on one phone call before greg anderson was known for distributing steroids associates brady with the whole thing.

people don't care about details. all they're picking up on today is tom brady and steroids in the same sentence. i just don't see the need to do that.

[bigmike]

i just don't like associating somebody's name with it who had nothing to do with it.

not everybody reads into the news. they get keywords. reporting on one phone call before greg anderson was known for distributing steroids associates brady with the whole thing.

people don't care about details. all they're picking up on today is tom brady and steroids in the same sentence. i just don't see the need to do that.
the need to do it is to sell papers and get viewers/listeners to your shows.

However, i do think it is newsworthy, but nothing with lasting power.

[preppyak]

no, i wasn't saying greg anderson wasn't involved in steroids in 2001. i'm saying, his name wasn't associated with steroids at the time. you didn't automatically think steroids when you heard his name.

a young tom brady calling him, was simply just calling a personal trainer who's clients had a lot of success.

i'm just saying, under the circumstances when it took place, it wasn't news then, and i still don't think it's news now.

Yep...and that's why I can't even believe they ran with the story.

the need to do it is to sell papers and get viewers/listeners to your shows.

However, i do think it is newsworthy, but nothing with lasting power.
I'm still waiting for this to lead into an NFL steroids blow up

[xbrokendownx]

i doubt tom brady uses, but he sure brings the ghey

[FondestMemory]

i doubt tom brady uses, but he sure brings the ghey

is that what the kids are calling rings nowadays?

[bigmike]

Yep...and that's why I can't even believe they ran with the story.


I'm still waiting for this to lead into an NFL steroids blow up
I seriously think the NFL looks the other way on steroids. They have tests but they're all scheduled and the players know when they're coming and masking isn't much of a science either.

[bigmike]

is that what the kids are calling rings nowadays?
I only moderately respect him now.

But i won't ever like him, because he went to U of M.

Jeff Smoker 4 lyfe!!!!!!!!!11!

Actually, Smoker just signed with the Chiefs like a week ago I think it was.

[LeftWideOpen]

im willing to bet 70% of the NFL uses and Tom Brady may very well use, too.

but the one thing i know for sure ...theres a lot of people who should have the finger pointed at them before Brady does. The NFL is a joke when it comes to drug testing. Its players dont want to get caught, of course, but the league doesnt want them getting caught either so they turn a blind eye. I believe its even more widespread than steroids in baseball during the late 90s.

[xbrokendownx]

is that what the kids are calling rings nowadays?




:redfngr:

[bigmike]

im willing to bet 70% of the NFL uses and Tom Brady may very well use, too.

but the one thing i know for sure ...theres a lot of people who should have the finger pointed at them before Brady does. The NFL is a joke when it comes to drug testing. Its players dont want to get caught, of course, but the league doesnt want them getting caught either so they turn a blind eye. I believe its even more widespread than steroids in baseball during the late 90s.
I whole heartedly agree.

[preppyak]

I seriously think the NFL looks the other way on steroids. They have tests but they're all scheduled and the players know when they're coming and masking isn't much of a science either.
I agree...and for the kind of money they pull in from their stars, I understand. It has to be more than a coincidence that a certain number of lineman and linebackers die in the their 40's and early 50's every year.

I mean, these are guys who are maybe 10 years removed from being the best physical specimens we have...and now they just drop dead out of nowhere?

[bigmike]

I agree...and for the kind of money they pull in from their stars, I understand. It has to be more than a coincidence that a certain number of lineman and linebackers die in the their 40's and early 50's every year.

I mean, these are guys who are maybe 10 years removed from being the best physical specimens we have...and now they just drop dead out of nowhere?
they say some O-Lineman die because they never lose the weight. they go from constantly working out and being 330 to never working out and being 330 still. I could see why it'd affect them, but if they are on steroids, instead of dying at like 55 they die at like 45 or earlier.

[LeftWideOpen]

I whole heartedly agree.

it goes all the way down to high school football, too. I played 4 years varsity and even though I personally never used, I knew of more teammates than I could count on both hands who used. Its the nature of the game these days.

[preppyak]

im willing to bet 70% of the NFL uses and Tom Brady may very well use, too.

but the one thing i know for sure ...theres a lot of people who should have the finger pointed at them before Brady does. The NFL is a joke when it comes to drug testing. Its players dont want to get caught, of course, but the league doesnt want them getting caught either so they turn a blind eye. I believe its even more widespread than steroids in baseball during the late 90s.
When this all boils down...I think that is going to be the most interesting to see...which major sport was the dirtiest. I think, becuase of the 161 games and longevity of the season, baseball will have more use, but, football will have it's biggest stars littered with use.

[FondestMemory]

it goes all the way down to high school football, too. I played 4 years varsity and even though I personally never used, I knew of more teammates than I could count on both hands who used. Its the nature of the game these days.

i had teammates in high school that used too. which kinda made me laugh, cause they were all backing up me and all my other teammate's that i knew were clean.

however, there was a senior lb my freshman year who did so much speed before games. it was frightening to even be in the locker room with him. i always felt sorry for the other team.

[bigmike]

When this all boils down...I think that is going to be the most interesting to see...which major sport was the dirtiest. I think, becuase of the 161 games and longevity of the season, baseball will have more use, but, football will have it's biggest stars littered with use.
i think the NFL would have more use because it's 32 teams with double the size of roster spots than the MLB.

[FondestMemory]

they say some O-Lineman die because they never lose the weight. they go from constantly working out and being 330 to never working out and being 330 still. I could see why it'd affect them, but if they are on steroids, instead of dying at like 55 they die at like 45 or earlier.

you know who's amazing. mark schlereth. looking at that dude now makes it hard to believe he was a starting offensive lineman on multiple super bowl teams.

[bigmike]

you know who's amazing. mark schlereth. looking at that dude now makes it hard to believe he was a starting offensive lineman on multiple super bowl teams.
I know. If i didn't know who he was, i'd put money on him being a DB or LB in the NFL.

I thought i heard he dropped like 60-70 lbs or something like that? I mean, he wasn't ever a huge O-Lineman... something like 290-295ish, I think. I could be wrong though.

[FondestMemory]

I know. If i didn't know who he was, i'd put money on him being a DB or LB in the NFL.

I thought i heard he dropped like 60-70 lbs or something like that? I mean, he wasn't ever a huge O-Lineman... something like 290-295ish, I think. I could be wrong though.

yeah, he was never as big as you'd think he was for as good as he was.

but still, he's now a fraction of the size he played at. impressive.

[bigmike]

yeah, he was never as big as you'd think he was for as good as he was.

but still, he's now a fraction of the size he played at. impressive.
yeah, definitely.

[preppyak]

you know who's amazing. mark schlereth. looking at that dude now makes it hard to believe he was a starting offensive lineman on multiple super bowl teams.
I know...he's a linebacker now...at most.

i think the NFL would have more use because it's 32 teams with double the size of roster spots than the MLB.
Well, as per percentage wise, the MLB will have like a 5% or so higher use. But, when you take the top 50 players from each league from 1995-2005, more players from the NFL Elite will have used than baseball.

I think, in baseball, a lot of the use suprisingly is in lesser players trying to become starters...trying to match the athletic ability of the actual clean players. And then, there are some stars who wanted to be Bonds, McGwire, etc and be THE spotlight player and used (See Rafiel, etc)

In the NFL, I think it's different, I think the stars started younger in college and never stopped because it gave them that edge.

[bigmike]

I know...he's a linebacker now...at most.


Well, as per percentage wise, the MLB will have like a 5% or so higher use. But, when you take the top 50 players from each league from 1995-2005, more players from the NFL Elite will have used than baseball.

I think, in baseball, a lot of the use suprisingly is in lesser players trying to become starters...trying to match the athletic ability of the actual clean players. And then, there are some stars who wanted to be Bonds, McGwire, etc and be THE spotlight player and used (See Rafiel, etc)

In the NFL, I think it's different, I think the stars started younger in college and never stopped because it gave them that edge.
See, i think the NFL will have more because of the lesser players trying to not be just special teams players for their respective clubs. and with the rosters being bigger then the MLB rosters, thus, more average type players trying to become the next big thing, I think the NFL will have more steroid use.

Either way, i think the NFL numbers will shock people if they ever come out because people don't ever mention the NFL with steroid use much.