George Bush Assassination Video

[xshady121]

Does everyone remember this?

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Just making sure.

I'm not saying Bush was a good president, or that Obama isn't a good president.

But a film maker making a brutal depiction of the President getting assassinated is wrong. To all of you saying these tea partiers and kids on facebook praying for Obama to be ousted as President is wrong (and against the law) why didn't you speak up about this at the time? Will you go on record as formally condemning it, or is the fact that it was an unpopular (see: person you dislike) president, then it's cool.

[Machu505]

I guarantee you every single regular here condemned this. It's stupid to assume otherwise.

[xshady121]

I guarantee you every single regular here condemned this. It's stupid to assume otherwise.

No. This conversation came up a few months back and a few respected people (and Jason Tate) had never even heard of this.

[Machu505]

No. This conversation came up a few months back and a few respected people (and Jason Tate) had never even heard of this.

Then allow me to rephrase:

"I guarantee you every single regular here who had even heard of this condemned this. It's stupid to assume otherwise."

[xshady121]

Then allow me to rephrase:

"I guarantee you every single regular here who had even heard of this condemned this. It's stupid to assume otherwise."

Well, I think the fact that people don't know of it is worth talking about.

Not everyone here is as informed as you. That's the problem.

[asmolitor]

i'll bring it up again - i was on the losing side of the argument on just the semantics of an obama-assassination comment from a fox news segment two years ago, in that i foolishly thought a journalist (even from fox news) would ignore a screaming producer in their ear to not let a comment like that be brushed aside.

regardless, there needs to be a certain reverence for the office. no excuses.

[Scrandon]

Both groups have completely crossed the line. I wouldn't say one is worse than the other, but obviously people here are not going to care about any attacks on George Bush.

[EchoPark]

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[Andy Young]

I'm not going to condone nor condemn the video but the video has it's rightful place as a piece of art. Those lunatics posting wishes of Obama's death as their Facebook status are crazy and potentially dangerous.

I would feel this way regardless of who the president is in the video or otherwise.

[Americanism]

I'd still say I'd rather see the whole film in its entirety since I personally hadn't heard of this either. I would assume that it is as anti-bush as it gets, but for all I know the point its trying to make is how the protesters cross the line, and people that want Bush, or Obama, assassinated are lunatics. So its hard to comment.

[tfot11]

I'm not going to condone nor condemn the video but the video has it's rightful place as a piece of art. Those lunatics posting wishes of Obama's death as their Facebook status are crazy and potentially dangerous.

I would feel this way regardless of who the president is in the video or otherwise.
art? that's art? well, then it's fair to say the facebook group is freedom of expression and assembly. It's all even.
To join a facebook group takes 2 seconds. To make a video about an assassination takes days, if not more. Which of those people is more obsessed with their idea? Which of those people is more "potentially dangerous" and crazy? Wise up.

[TheProsAndCons]

I'd be alright if someone made a video of me beeing 'assassinated'...I would not be ok if someone made a group wishing that I would die? :|

[TravelingBySea]

I've seen this movie. It's called Death of a Presiden (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/)t. I had no idea it was going to be about Bush. From what I remember it doesn't not attack Bush's politics, it is just the director or writers depiction as to what would happen to America if our president were to be assassinated and an interesting take on fear in the political world. The video is a little out of context, but I understand that it can be misinterpreted as someone's fantasy, but that is not what the director/writer was going for.

Read this review (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/usercomments), it sums it up pretty well

[Mitch]

Tasteless, yes. "Art" or not, using an actual visual representation of a sitting president in that context is fucking stupid. However, I don't really see your point in bringing it up in contrast with the Facebook group; one's from a movie by a Canadian filmmaker, and another is a bunch of ignorant idiots trying to discuss politics. Not really similar other than people's reactions.

[caveBEAR]

A movie about an assassination of a President =/= people actively praying for Obama's death.

Will not budge an inch on that stance.

[Americanism]

I've seen this movie. It's called Death of a Presiden (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/)t. I had no idea it was going to be about Bush. From what I remember it doesn't not attack Bush's politics, it is just the director or writers depiction as to what would happen to America if our president were to be assassinated and an interesting take on fear in the political world. The video is a little out of context, but I understand that it can be misinterpreted as someone's fantasy, but that is not what the director/writer was going for.

Alright see thats what I figured because by and large anti-bush people were much classier than the anti-obama movement. As part of neither movement I would say its just obvious. Its not just this facebook group or the tea baggers. Shit it didn't even start with the people in town halls. It started with people saying he is a muslim not born in America. So I guess the difference in the two protest movements is that one was built off frustration with failed policies and clashing political ideology. The anti-obama has that crowd along with a lot of just hateful bitter old assholes.

I'd be alright if someone made a video of me beeing 'assassinated'...I would not be ok if someone made a group wishing that I would die? :|

[MyNameIsRoss]

I believe this is a scene from a film that came out a few years ago? Well, no matter how tasteless you think it is, any kind of art is trying to provoke thought on a subject, this subject just happens to be controversial. I don't "condemn" it, because it's just a movie, and I don't think any subject should be off limits when it comes to 'art'.

[xcloud66x]

does everyone remember this?

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[xshady121]

A movie about an assassination of a President =/= people actively praying for Obama's death.

Will not budge an inch on that stance.

Tasteless, yes. "Art" or not, using an actual visual representation of a sitting president in that context is fucking stupid. However, I don't really see your point in bringing it up in contrast with the Facebook group; one's from a movie by a Canadian filmmaker, and another is a bunch of ignorant idiots trying to discuss politics. Not really similar other than people's reactions.

I believe this is a scene from a film that came out a few years ago? Well, no matter how tasteless you think it is, any kind of art is trying to provoke thought on a subject, this subject just happens to be controversial. I don't "condemn" it, because it's just a movie, and I don't think any subject should be off limits when it comes to 'art'.


The issue lies in the fact that it is a sitting president. You can't say that a facebook group calling for the assassination of a sitting president has ANY more influence to do so than a movie, which visually represents his assassination.

It is art and it is tasteless. Just like the facebook group is free speech and still is tasteless.

They both have the potential to influence crazies. That's the problem. Both are free speech issues, and both should be allowed to be made. Morally, that is another issue.

[Manicapathy]

There's a difference between a rational human being who walks away from that thinking about what societies reactions to that would be, vs some nut job who sees it as an instructional video or some inspiring work. It's there to make a point.

Personally, and I preface this by saying in no way, shape or form do I want this to happen to the man, I would like to see some INTELLIGENT discussion as to what people think would happen if (God forbid) President Obama did indeed get assassinated. Noting this man's importance not only as a politician but also as an icon of our times (love him or hate him, first black president's got some serious significance to it), it'd be interesting to see what people think society's reaction would be as a whole.

[Mitch]

The issue lies in the fact that it is a sitting president. You can't say that a facebook group calling for the assassination of a sitting president has ANY more influence to do so than a movie, which visually represents his assassination.

It is art and it is tasteless. Just like the facebook group is free speech and still is tasteless.

They both have the potential to influence crazies. That's the problem. Both are free speech issues, and both should be allowed to be made. Morally, that is another issue.

I agree with all of this, I just wasn't entirely sure why you decided to bring this up alongside the Facebook group haha, but yeah--neither of these things couod be healthy. Personally I still think a Facebook group can be more threatening (maybe not this one since it seems to be mostly youngsters, ha) simply because it's a gathering of people who all feed off of each other's fears, whereas the clip you posted is from a movie (although obviously I'm sure some nut cases watch it and think assassinating a president would be a good idea).

Typing from my iPhone/not proofreading so please excuse any incoherency hah

[ned.89]

it was an interesting movie regardless of what you think of that clip.

[caveBEAR]

The issue lies in the fact that it is a sitting president. You can't say that a facebook group calling for the assassination of a sitting president has ANY more influence to do so than a movie, which visually represents his assassination.

It is art and it is tasteless. Just like the facebook group is free speech and still is tasteless.

They both have the potential to influence crazies. That's the problem. Both are free speech issues, and both should be allowed to be made. Morally, that is another issue.

I'm not saying either has the moral highground, just saying that a movie about an assassination is not comparable to a Facebook group with over a million people actively hoping Obama dies.

[MyNameIsRoss]

I'm not saying either has the moral highground, just saying that a movie about an assassination is not comparable to a Facebook group with over a million people actively hoping Obama dies.

i'm with the bear

[caveBEAR]

i'm with the bear

Thank you, Chandler...er, Joey? Sorry, Ross.

[HometownHero]

This should not happen regardless of the president at the time

[Formatfun]

I never saw that video, so I couldn't speak out against it.

[MyNameIsRoss]

Thank you, Chandler...er, Joey? Sorry, Ross.

haha

[saysmydoctor]

does everyone remember this?

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Bush is a pretty well-documented germophobe. I try to find reasons to critique Bush as well, but all I can say in this case is get help and see a therapist.

[mikep]

I'm not going to condone nor condemn the video but the video has it's rightful place as a piece of art. Those lunatics posting wishes of Obama's death as their Facebook status are crazy and potentially dangerous.

I would feel this way regardless of who the president is in the video or otherwise.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but the last thing this country needs is for Obama to get assassinated. All hell would break loose.

[GeeBee]

If I make a facebook group full of people praying for Mitch McConnell to trip and fall down the steps of Congress, seriously injuring his turtle-shell, would you join?

[xcloud66x]

xD ya it's too difficult to not clown on the dude

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/113/2/c/Bullshit_Detector_by_pilwe.jpg

[Emoidiot187]

what?

[rawesome]

I've never heard of this before.

Also, I didn't get to watch it because the video isn't working.

[xshady121]

If I make a facebook group full of people praying for Mitch McConnell to trip and fall down the steps of Congress, seriously injuring his turtle-shell, would you join?
Yes.

xD ya it's too difficult to not clown on the dude

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/113/2/c/Bullshit_Detector_by_pilwe.jpg

Yeah. It's hard not to clown on a dude that's smarter than you. I wonder what we should be doing to you then?

I've never heard of this before.

Also, I didn't get to watch it because the video isn't working.

visual representaions of things are worse than talking about it. JUST ASK MATT AND TREY FROM SOUTHPARK

[xcloud66x]

Yes.



Yeah. It's hard not to clown on a dude that's smarter than you. I wonder what we should be doing to you then?



visual representaions of things are worse than talking about it. JUST ASK MATT AND TREY FROM SOUTHPARK

Yeah don't talk shit bout someone you don't know. I'm 100% convinced I'm smarter than the man. I got into Harvard but I didn't go cuz of money issues but I still go to a top notch college. And even besides, any bloke off the streets coulda made decisions far better than he ever did.

[loveisdead]

Yeah don't talk shit bout someone you don't know. I'm 100% convinced I'm smarter than the man. I got into Harvard but I didn't go cuz of money issues but I still go to a top notch college. And even besides, any bloke off the streets coulda made decisions far better than he ever did.

I don't believe that. Harvard is extraordinarily generous in helping qualified applicants to afford their school. My friend paid 3,000 a year to go there and it had nothing to do with his grades.

[loveisdead]

If I make a facebook group full of people praying for Mitch McConnell to trip and fall down the steps of Congress, seriously injuring his turtle-shell, would you join?

Yes absolutely.

[meroki22]

It was a movie made 2 years ago made by someone who was anti-bush and used shock value and bush bashing to get more people to see his movie. What the hell does this have to do with tea partiers?

[caveBEAR]

Yeah don't talk shit bout someone you don't know. I'm 100% convinced I'm smarter than the man. I got into Harvard but I didn't go cuz of money issues but I still go to a top notch college. And even besides, any bloke off the streets coulda made decisions far better than he ever did.

You got into Harvard, yet begin sentences with 'and', as well as throw around 'coulda' and 'cuz'? I call (in a sing-song voice) bullshit.

[xcloud66x]

I don't believe that. Harvard is extraordinarily generous in helping qualified applicants to afford their school. My friend paid 3,000 a year to go there and it had nothing to do with his grades.

Not always generous enough. Tuition is around $50k, they said they would pay a little over half. I decided to go elsewhere for free instead.


You got into Harvard, yet begin sentences with 'and', as well as throw around 'coulda' and 'cuz'? I call (in a sing-song voice) bullshit.

Uhh yeah you're a complete dumbass if you think just because someone goes to a good school means they're gonna bother using perfect grammar online.

[paper halo]

Uhh yeah you're a complete dumbass if you think just because someone goes to a good school means they're gonna bother using perfect grammar online.

Yeah, only morons care about effective and eloquent communication.

[xcloud66x]

Yeah, only morons care about effective and eloquent communication.

Did I say that? No. I just don't give a shit how I communicate on the internet with a buncha random people I don't know. I'm not tryna impress anyone here. And this is going way off topic besides, so kill it already.

[Regards]

I'm not saying either has the moral highground, just saying that a movie about an assassination is not comparable to a Facebook group with over a million people actively hoping Obama dies.
If you think over half of those people are serious you're taking some sort of crazy pills.

[caveBEAR]

Uhh yeah you're a complete dumbass if you think just because someone goes to a good school means they're gonna bother using perfect grammar online.

I must be a complete dumbass then. Or, just maybe, you're too lazy to move your fingers a few extra millimeters a few more times. Who knows?

If you think over half of those people are serious you're taking some sort of crazy pills.

I don't think all of them are serious, but I do think they are helping create an environment in which speaking of the death of the President becomes the norm, which could lead to someone not only thinking the act of killing Obama is acceptable, but needed.

Or, maybe I'm just taking crazy pills. It would explain why the Harvard reject thinks I'm a dumbass.

[Regards]

I must be a complete dumbass then. Or, just maybe, you're too lazy to move your fingers a few extra millimeters a few more times. Who knows?



I don't think all of them are serious, but I do think they are helping create an environment in which speaking of the death of the President becomes the norm, which could lead to someone not only thinking the act of killing Obama is acceptable, but needed.

Or, maybe I'm just taking crazy pills. It would explain why the Harvard reject thinks I'm a dumbass.
I'm almost certain that every president has had to face a reality such as this on in one way or another. I understand what you're saying, and by no means think this is justified, but I don't think this is fanning any flames that weren't already there. Also the way the group is worded makes it sound like some stupid fad which people chuckle and is the only reason they join.

Edit: People really should use that grammar thing they learn in school. I may not be perfect at it myself, but the whole "we're on the internet" excuse is getting old and has always been lame. I'm with you on that.

[caveBEAR]

I'm almost certain that every president has had to face a reality such as this on in one way or another. I understand what you're saying, and by no means think this is justified, but I don't think this is fanning any flames that weren't already there. Also the way the group is worded makes it sound like some stupid fad which people chuckle and is the only reason they join.

Edit: And people really should use that grammar thing they learn in school. I may not be perfect at it myself, but the whole "we're on the internet" excuse is getting old and has always been lame. I'm with you on that.

I was one of the most vocal detractors of Bush (even with my young age) and I never once wished death upon him. It's fucking disgusting. Of course every President has to deal with the possibility of assassination, but none of them have had over a million people willing to admit (PUBLICLY) that they want him to die. You can call the group a joke, but it's not. If the group was about some high school student and not Obama, all the people involved in the group would be in serious shit for the intent (even if the title was just a 'Larry the Cable Guy' level joke), but these people aren't held accountable because, apparently, now it's commonplace to hope Obama bites it.

It's fucking disgusting.

[apoemtothedead]

Not always generous enough. Tuition is around $50k, they said they would pay a little over half. I decided to go elsewhere for free instead.




Uhh yeah you're a complete dumbass if you think just because someone goes to a good school means they're gonna bother using perfect grammar online.
Well that was dumb of you.

[h0merg0mez]

Most people in that group don't seriously wish death on Obama. No one would actually be celebrating if Obama got killed. If it's the same group I think you're talking about, most people are joining for the clever title.

[caveBEAR]

Most people in that group don't seriously wish death on Obama. No one would actually be celebrating if Obama got killed. If it's the same group I think you're talking about, most people are joining for the clever title.

The clever title about Obama's death?

Fucking tool.

[SlappedActor]

Unncessary thread. Both are obviously tasteless, and if Facebook had been as wildly popular during Bush's time as it is now, I'm sure similar groups would have existed with just as many members. Let's all move on.

[caveBEAR]

Unncessary thread. Both are obviously tasteless, and if Facebook had been as wildly popular during Bush's time as it is now, I'm sure similar groups would have existed with just as many members. Let's all move on.

Actually, I don't remember many websites that were against George W. Bush (and trust me, there were a looooot of them) that wished for him to die. Most seemed to wish for him to be impeached.

I definitely don't remember any sites hoping for his death that had over 1,000,000 people publicly supporting it. (Or, in Facebook speak, 'like'ing it.)

[SlappedActor]

Actually, I don't remember many websites that were against George W. Bush (and trust me, there were a looooot of them) that wished for him to die. Most seemed to wish for him to be impeached.

I definitely don't remember any sites hoping for his death that had over 1,000,000 people publicly supporting it. (Or, in Facebook speak, 'like'ing it.)

That's because Facebook is probably the only site that could amass that number of people, and its popularity didn't truly explode until about 2009.

[caveBEAR]

That's because Facebook is probably the only site that could amass that number of people, and its popularity didn't truly explode until about 2009.

Doesn't excuse the 1,000,000 people who joined a group hoping for Obama's death. Why are people excusing this because it was framed as a joke? The intent is very real, and if people were too stupid to realize that when joining the group...


Fuck.

[SlappedActor]

Doesn't excuse the 1,000,000 people who joined a group hoping for Obama's death. Why are people excusing this because it was framed as a joke? The intent is very real, and if people were too stupid to realize that when joining the group...


Fuck.

Calm down Glenn Beck, I can read without you bolding everything. I never excused it. All I said was that if Facebook had been as popular during the Bush era, he would have experienced the same thing, which is very likely true. And it would have been tasteless then, just like it is now.

edit: Sorry about the Beck comment, haha. You're a cool guy, I just think people are being too alarmist about this.

[caveBEAR]

Calm down Glenn Beck, I can read without you bolding everything. I never excused it. All I said was that if Facebook had been as popular during the Bush era, he would have experienced the same thing, which is very likely true. And it would have been tasteless then, just like it is now.

edit: Sorry about the Beck comment, haha. You're a cool guy, I just think people are being too alarmist about this.

I think there's nothing alarmist about being concerned with the tone that many people have taken towards Obama, that he must be 'removed', showing up to protests packing heat (to protest against Obama, who is the person who allowed them to bring their guns to federal parks in the first place), and basically creating an environment where someone could view the assassination of Obama as their patriotic duty.

What was Palin's bullshit about 'reloading'? (But it wasn't about guns, ROTFL!!!! :rolleyes:)

This kind of shit isn't good.

[h0merg0mez]

The clever title about Obama's death?

Fucking tool.

Yes, the clever title about Obama's Death!

Fucking tool.

But like I said, since you apparently failed to understand my point, no one will actually be celebrating if he dies.

Since when is being tasteless new to the internet? If people start plotting an assassination on the group's wall or something, then we have a problem. But it's obvious that's not the point of this group. It's tasteless humor.

[SteveySixx]

If I made a video of Barack Obama being assassinated as "art" it would not be considered "rightful art." I would be called a racist, ignorant, uninformed, uneducated, etc. etc.

[Manicapathy]

If I made a video of Barack Obama being assassinated as "art" it would not be considered "rightful art." I would be called a racist, ignorant, uninformed, uneducated, etc. etc.
By many, yes. Now, if ya took it seriously, and actually had a point to prove through the project....ya'd still catch shit about it, but at least there'd be some defense for it.

[Deadbolt23]

Most people in that group don't seriously wish death on Obama. No one would actually be celebrating if Obama got killed. If it's the same group I think you're talking about, most people are joining for the clever title.

I disagree.

[x togepi x]

There's a huge difference between some random liberals saying bush should die and the tea parties, which have been documented as bringing weapons to political demonstrations that threaten the president.

[aerofan11]

There's a similar thing to this about Gary Glitter being hung (The film was meant to be about what if capital punishment came back to the UK). It's stupid to use a real person as the victim of these films, especially someone like George Bush. I saw this a year or so ago, and I found it interesting. Look past the whole "let's pretend George Bush is dead" thing, and it isn't that bad.