Mississippi High School Cuts Student's Picture Out of Yearbook because She's Gay [Archive]

Mandee, darling

04/28/10, 03:59 PM

Mississippi has been getting a lot of press lately, and this just adds to it. The girl was a top student, and since she's lesbian and decided to wear a tuxedo rather than a dress for her senior formal picture, the school decided to remove her entirely from her yearbook.

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/school_cuts_gay_student_photo_from_ yearbook/

I think that a girl should have the right to wear a tuxedo for her formal picture if she wanted to, since it was her picture-- even if she's a lesbian; girls have been doing that for years. And I don't think that a school has the right to completely remove her from her own yearbook when she's simply done nothing wrong.

Thoughts?

Machu505

04/28/10, 04:03 PM

This must be the Mississippi ACLU's best year in a long time.

perceptrons

04/28/10, 04:12 PM

My thoughts? Super duper!

SteveySixx

04/28/10, 04:13 PM

Pretty funny really.

Two Headed Girl

04/28/10, 04:17 PM

EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

saysmydoctor

04/28/10, 04:18 PM

This must be the Mississippi ACLU's best year in a long time.
O'Reilly!!!!!!!!!!!!

loveisdead

04/28/10, 04:40 PM

This is absolutely ridiculous. It's her picture. She can dress however she wants and be remember however she wants. Fuck these idiots.

HometownHero

04/28/10, 05:04 PM

People suck

Jake Gyllenhaal

04/28/10, 05:20 PM

This is absolutely ridiculous. It's her picture. She can dress however she wants and be remember however she wants. Fuck these idiots.

The school's rationale is that if another student saw a girl in a tux, then that could influence them to become gay themselves.

fflash

04/28/10, 05:22 PM

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:23 PM

They cut her out because of the tux, not because she is gay. what a dumb spin you put on this.

Yeah. That's it.

FueledByRock

04/28/10, 05:24 PM

The school's rationale is that if another student saw a girl in a tux, then that could influence them to become gay themselves.
GOD FORBID

Debut_Fin

04/28/10, 05:29 PM

imagination

04/28/10, 05:30 PM

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p112/jeff9898/GIFs/e5kwsp.gif

holy fucking lol

fflash

04/28/10, 05:32 PM

Yeah. That's it.

Yeah, because we all know if this girl was straight and wore a tux they would definitely let the picture go in...

Debut_Fin

04/28/10, 05:33 PM

Yeah, because we all know if this girl was straight and wore a tux they would definitely let the picture go in...

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p112/jeff9898/GIFs/bitchyouknowthatsalie.gif

sargentlgfuad

04/28/10, 05:33 PM

Yeah, because we all know if this girl was straight and wore a tux they would definitely let the picture go in...
http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Emoticons/missed_the_point.jpg

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:33 PM

Yeah, because we all know if this girl was straight and wore a tux they would definitely let the picture go in...

Yeah, they probably would have. And if they didn't they'd still be in the wrong.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:34 PM

http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Emoticons/missed_the_point.jpg

:lol:

fflash

04/28/10, 05:37 PM

http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Emoticons/missed_the_point.jpg

No, I'm pretty sure you did. The schools job is to educate her. They could cut the funding for the yearbook all together.
If you don't want to abide by the schools rules, then there are other options.

fflash

04/28/10, 05:37 PM

Yeah, they probably would have. And if they didn't they'd still be in the wrong.

Wouldn't be in the wrong at all, read above post.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:39 PM

No, I'm pretty sure you did. The schools job is to educate her. They could cut the funding for the yearbook all together.
If you don't want to abide by the schools rules, then there are other options.

As long as her private parts aren't showing and she isn't causing a distraction, then she should have the right to wear whatever the fuck she wants in a public school.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:41 PM

It is your yearbook picture. You take it in a way you want to be remembered. If that means wearing a tuxedo then so be it. If it means making a stupid face to be remembered as a class clown then so be it. The school has no right to limit their students to what they can and can't wear in the yearbook picture.

bladerdude360

04/28/10, 05:42 PM

This just baffles my mind....I don't even know where to start.

fflash

04/28/10, 05:42 PM

As long as her private parts aren't showing and she isn't causing a distraction, then she should have the right to wear whatever the fuck she wants in a public school.

You can't actually be serious.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:43 PM

You can't actually be serious.

Why shouldn't she be able to wear what she wants? It's her fucking picture.

atticus18244fss

04/28/10, 05:43 PM

Love the gifs

greenteaallday

04/28/10, 05:43 PM

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:44 PM

This just baffles my mind....I don't even know where to start.

They're not allowing it cause of the tux. It has nothing to do with her being gay. This state has no history of being discriminatory to homosexuals. I mean come on, it's been over a month since a student wasn't allowed to attend both the public and private proms of her school because she was gay.

SincerelyMe

04/28/10, 05:44 PM

Debut_Fin

04/28/10, 05:45 PM

No, I'm pretty sure you did. The schools job is to educate her. They could cut the funding for the yearbook all together.
If you don't want to abide by the schools rules, then there are other options.

You're an idiot. Yearbooks, first of all, are funded by students who order them and most schools I'm aware of have student-run yearbook committees. There were girls in my school who had tuxes as their senior portrait. I wonder what would have happened at this school had one of the football players worn his uniform rather than a tux, like "the rules" state. Probably nothing at all. If you really think this is about her dress and not the fact that she is a lesbian you are an idiot. You are like the people who thought that Matthew Shepard's murder was because they wanted to rob him and not because he was gay. Discrimination is discrimination no matter what made up reason you give it. Things like this and that new fucking law that just passed in Arizona make me really nervous about the future.

Debut_Fin

04/28/10, 05:46 PM

fflash

04/28/10, 05:46 PM

Why shouldn't she be able to wear what she wants? It's her fucking picture.

You said the school has no right to limit what they wear?
The school funds the yearbook, it's not something you have to have, they can take it away if they want.
They can also enforce a dress code if they want to.
This is actually hilarious to see how many people are getting caught up on the word gay.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:46 PM

You're an idiot. Yearbooks, first of all, are funded by students who order them and most schools I'm aware of have student-run yearbook committees. There were girls in my school who had tuxes as their senior portrait. I wonder what would have happened at this school had one of the football players worn his uniform rather than a tux, like "the rules" state. Probably nothing at all. If you really think this is about her dress and not the fact that she is a lesbian you are an idiot. You are like the people who thought that Matthew Shepard's murder was because they wanted to rob him and not because he was gay. Discrimination is discrimination no matter what made up reason you give it. Things like this and that new fucking law that just passed in Arizona make me really nervous about the future.

Don't forget about Oklahoma.

Debut_Fin

04/28/10, 05:48 PM

Don't forget about Oklahoma.

What happened in Oklahoma?

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:48 PM

You said the school has no right to limit what they wear?
The school funds the yearbook, it's not something you have to have, they can take it away if they want.
They can also enforce a dress code if they want to.
This is actually hilarious to see how many people are getting caught up on the word gay.

You're really fucking dense.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:48 PM

What happened in Oklahoma?

I think there's a thread about it. I don't wanna derail this one.

Edit: I'm wrong , there isn't

http://bestoftheblogs.com/Home/28710

Debut_Fin

04/28/10, 05:48 PM

fflash

04/28/10, 05:48 PM

I know right. It has been days. Can't we just leave the past in the past?

Right, don't discriminate against gays, but go ahead and discriminate against the state of Mississippi.
Clearly you guys can not see double standards.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:51 PM

Right, don't discriminate against gays, but go ahead and discriminate against the state of Mississippi.
Clearly you guys can not see double standards.

Yeah. Clearly 2 schools in Mississippi discriminating against gays is the same as us complaining about Mississippi doing those acts.

Debut_Fin

04/28/10, 05:51 PM

Right, don't discriminate against gays, but go ahead and discriminate against the state of Mississippi.
Clearly you guys can not see double standards.

No one "discriminates" against Mississippi. The concept you're thinking of is "stereotyping" and if we want to "stereotype" Mississippi as a homophobic state they have given plenty recently to back it up.

I don't think anyone anywhere thinks that everyone in Mississippi thinks this is okay. Maybe not even most people in Mississippi. Regardless, it has happened twice in less than two months.

bladerdude360

04/28/10, 05:54 PM

They're not allowing it cause of the tux. It has nothing to do with her being gay. This state has no history of being discriminatory to homosexuals. I mean come on, it's been over a month since a student wasn't allowed to attend both the public and private proms of her school because she was gay.
I completely understand the situation and I was the one who started the thread about the whole prom issue. This whole thing is just ridiculous and really upsetting. I think you might have meant to quote someone else, when I said I didn't know where to start I didn't mean I didn't understand what was going on.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 05:56 PM

I completely understand the situation and I was the one who started the thread about the whole prom issue. This whole thing is just ridiculous and really upsetting. I think you might have meant to quote someone else, when I said I didn't know where to start I didn't mean I didn't understand what was going on.

I'm sorta uncertain of what you're trying to say. I was being completely facetious in that post.

fflash

04/28/10, 05:57 PM

Can you please just tell me what you would like to happen to the school?
Because I'm betting someone is trying to sue.

Debut_Fin

04/28/10, 05:57 PM

I think there's a thread about it. I don't wanna derail this one.

Edit: I'm wrong , there isn't

http://bestoftheblogs.com/Home/28710

Thank you, and oh dear god

bladerdude360

04/28/10, 05:59 PM

I'm sorta uncertain of what you're trying to say. I was being completely facetious in that post.
I get that, but it seemed like you were trying to correct something I was saying in my original post. I just mentioned that the fact that this type of discrimination continues to happen baffles my mind and you replied with that. If you didn't mean it that way my bad, I just didn't see the relation of your reply to my post. I completely agree with everything you're saying by the way, you are very rational and level-headed.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 06:00 PM

I get that, but it seemed like you were trying to correct something I was saying in my original post. I just mentioned that the fact that this type of discrimination continues to happen baffles my mind and you replied with that. If you didn't mean it that way my bad, I just didn't see the relation of your reply to my post. I completely agree with everything you're saying by the way, you are very rational and level-headed.

Oh no dude I agree with you. I was just kinda mimicking this other guy in here. If I came off the wrong way I apologize.

And thanks.

Mandee, darling

04/28/10, 06:07 PM

They cut her out because of the tux, not because she is gay. what a dumb spin you put on this.

I don't really see what the big deal is, if she wanted to be in the yearbook, she could have worn a dress.

I didn't put a spin on it, you're just oblivious to the underlying issue there.
And if it "isn't because she's gay", but because of the tux, why did they have to completely remove her from the yearbook? Because she "broke" one rule? They'll add people who dropped out and got busted for drugs [which is also against the code, if you didn't know] in the yearbook... but they won't add her because she's in a tux?

And if anyone's interested, the press also had an interview with the girl and her mother here. http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/cearas_season_111809/

bladerdude360

04/28/10, 06:08 PM

Oh no dude I agree with you. I was just kinda mimicking this other guy in here. If I came off the wrong way I apologize.

And thanks.
No problem, I just wanted to make sure that you didn't get the wrong impression of me or misinterpreted my comment. That guy is being ridiculous. It's one thing if you want to argue that it is okay to discriminate against people based on their sexuality, but to not even acknowledge that this student's sexuality is the issue at hand is just asinine. There is so much evidence that points to that conclusion that you can't ignore it.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 06:10 PM

No problem, I just wanted to make sure that you didn't get the wrong impression of me or misinterpreted my comment. That guy is being ridiculous. It's one thing if you want to argue that it is okay to discriminate against people based on their sexuality, but to not even acknowledge that this student's sexuality is the issue at hand is just asinine. There is so much evidence that points to that conclusion that you can't ignore it.

Yup. You're spot on. I'm getting bored of arguing and I never get bored of that haha.

Mandee, darling

04/28/10, 06:14 PM

I think there's a thread about it. I don't wanna derail this one.

Edit: I'm wrong , there isn't

http://bestoftheblogs.com/Home/28710

are you serious? they're really doing this?

new_arbiter

04/28/10, 06:33 PM

Wesson is about ten minutes from my hometown. I can confirm that it is one of the most ass-backwards towns in the nation.

wall e

04/28/10, 06:50 PM

The south keeps getting funnier and funnier. No offense.

sargentlgfuad

04/28/10, 06:57 PM

No, I'm pretty sure you did. The schools job is to educate her. They could cut the funding for the yearbook all together.
If you don't want to abide by the schools rules, then there are other options.
EXACTLY. the school's job IS to educate her, not make her feel like an outcast (which, especially after that girl committed suicide from other studets' bullying, you'd think schools would at least try and be more open to including and not excluding their students).
the article says she was a bright student who never got in trouble before, and i'm more than certain that within the school's code is says nothing along the lines of "a girl cannot wear a tuxedo in her school picture."
she paid for that yearbook, she is entitled to it. the school over-stepped their boundaries and made this a much bigger deal than need be.

Mandee, darling

04/28/10, 07:14 PM

The south keeps getting funnier and funnier. No offense.

None taken. I'm pretty ashamed in a way to be considered a southerner.

wall e

04/28/10, 07:16 PM

None taken. I'm pretty ashamed in a way to be considered a southerner.

It's ok though, you guys have cool things like chicken and waffles that I can't get up here. :(

Mandee, darling

04/28/10, 07:22 PM

It's ok though, you guys have cool things like chicken and waffles that I can't get up here. :(

Haha. To be honest, I've never actually had chicken and waffles in a meal together.

wall e

04/28/10, 07:26 PM

Haha. To be honest, I've never actually had chicken and waffles in a meal together.

Well, try it and let me know so I can experience it vicariously through you.

Mandee, darling

04/28/10, 07:28 PM

Well, try it and let me know so I can experience it vicariously through you.

haha, okay will do.

Machu505

04/28/10, 07:42 PM

Speaking of southern foods, fried banana peppers are delicious.

Yellowcard2006

04/28/10, 07:46 PM

Dammit

broaddplease

04/28/10, 08:12 PM

I think there's a thread about it. I don't wanna derail this one.

Edit: I'm wrong , there isn't

http://bestoftheblogs.com/Home/28710
oh my god. That's ridiculous.

caveBEAR

04/28/10, 08:12 PM

Right, don't discriminate against gays, but go ahead and discriminate against the state of Mississippi.
Clearly you guys can not see double standards.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, holy shit. For your sake, I hope you're a troll. If this train of thought came naturally to you, I don't know how you get dressed by yourself in the morning.

The Indigo

04/28/10, 08:23 PM

Thread title is misleading.

Machu505

04/28/10, 08:25 PM

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, holy shit. For your sake, I hope you're a troll. If this train of thought came naturally to you, I don't know how you get dressed by yourself in the morning.
Stop it. You're hurting the State of Mississippi's feelings.

Debut_Fin

04/28/10, 08:33 PM

Stop it. You're hurting the State of Mississippi's feelings.

i lol'ed irl

birtcho

04/28/10, 08:38 PM

Controversial

new_arbiter

04/28/10, 08:44 PM

Fuck, for some reason this has inspired me to listen to a shitload of blues music tonight. It's bittersweet that some of my state's greatest cultural achievements stem from such adversity and discrimination.

/drunkenness

deFobbed14yrs

04/28/10, 09:14 PM

*sigh*. What happened to being like Christ and loving all, the lepers, the poor and ragged. She wanted to wear a tux, seriously people, are you that afraid? That disgusted? What happened to America taking everyone in and the virtues of treating everyone equal?

caveBEAR

04/28/10, 09:18 PM

deFobbed14yrs

04/28/10, 09:24 PM

We took in the bigots, morons and motherfuckers. Maybe we should have left those three on the ship.

Wouldn't mind keeping in some of the people who had diseases in trade for those fuckers.

J.C.

04/28/10, 09:33 PM

If she was dating a sibling they'd have left her picture in there.

loveisdead

04/28/10, 09:39 PM

If she was dating a sibling they'd have left her picture in there.

ba-zing.

sleepyseanzzz

04/28/10, 09:46 PM

Taken from NY barstool earlier today

"Oh man I woulda loved this girl to have been voted Prom Queen. Good luck with that dance in the middle of the gym there, Prom King. Sure your friends won’t make fun of you until the day you die for the night you danced with this Demitri Martin looking broad in front of the whole school."

http://nyc.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/does-this-look-like-the-face-of-a-lesbian-chick-pulled-from-her-yearbook-for-wearing-a-tuxedo/

phillipjacob

04/28/10, 09:56 PM

i wonder which is more ignorant some of the people posting on here or the school board there

caveBEAR

04/28/10, 10:27 PM

If she was dating a sibling they'd have left her picture in there.

:lol:

jessicalynn-xx

04/28/10, 10:40 PM

If she was dating a sibling they'd have left her picture in there.

LOL

jessicalynn-xx

04/28/10, 10:41 PM

Controversial

Vague

jessicalynn-xx

04/28/10, 10:42 PM

i wonder which is more ignorant some of the people posting on here or the school board there

I'm going with the school board.

apoemtothedead

04/28/10, 10:44 PM

http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Emoticons/missed_the_point.jpg
Major lols. At both this school and the pic.

birtcho

04/29/10, 01:07 AM

Vague

Interesting

Gumbyjag

04/29/10, 01:49 AM

fucking wrong.

EchoPark

04/29/10, 05:48 AM

I'm starting to think the porn industry has been lying to me and that these lesbians I've been watching for years, really don't exist in real life.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 08:51 AM

If a guy wore a dress for his senior picture, people would just think he was an attention-seeking jackass and laugh with/at him, but a girl wearing a tux is somehow a martyr for gender rights? I think people should be able to wear whatever they want to wear, but not in school.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 08:59 AM

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 09:06 AM

The two comments above this just blew my mind to shit. I can't even begin to think of how to respond to them. There really is no hope for humanity.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 09:08 AM

I view this situation as no different from any other dress code violation.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 09:32 AM

The two comments above this just blew my mind to shit. I can't even begin to think of how to respond to them. There really is no hope for humanity.

Being a lesbian has NOTHING to do with wearing mens clothing, or grooming yourself to look like a man. She is doing this to make it a known fact that when someone looks in the year book, they will say something along the lines of, "well, i bet she is gay.".

lfdfforever

04/29/10, 09:33 AM

another step behind

threepunchjim

04/29/10, 09:37 AM

The school's rationale is that if another student saw a girl in a tux, then that could influence them to become gay themselves.

http://www.kungfumagazine.com/images/ezine/Tuxedo_Poster.jpg
Magic Tuxedo

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 09:38 AM

Being a lesbian has NOTHING to do with wearing mens clothing, or grooming yourself to look like a man. She is doing this to make it a known fact that when someone looks in the year book, they will say something along the lines of, "well, i bet she is gay.".

Not all lesbians wear tuxes and not all women who wear tuxes are lesbians. She is wearing a tux because that is what she likes. It is her yearbook picture of how she wants to be remembered. Don't act like she has some hidden agenda. As long as there isn't like a nip slip in the picture I don't see why it's a big deal

Like I said earlier, I wonder if they would have excluded a football player for wearing his uniform in his picture. Probably not.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 09:40 AM

Not all lesbians wear tuxes and not all women who wear tuxes are lesbians. She is wearing a tux because that is what she likes. It is her yearbook picture of how she wants to be remembered. Don't act like she has some hidden agenda. As long as there isn't like a nip slip in the picture I don't see why it's a big deal

Like I said earlier, I wonder if they would have excluded a football player for wearing his uniform in his picture. Probably not.
So, you believe that she is wearing a tux because she simply likes the way it looks? You dont think that she is doing it because she is gay? There is a lesbian woman that works here in my building, she wears men's slacks, men's shirts, and has a traditional man's hair cut. I seriously doubt she does this because of the way it looks/feels.

EDIT: They would probably NOT let the person wear their full football uniform. I know in my year book, the guys/girls were allowed to wear their letterman jackets. BUT, that is a school oriented thing, NOT someones personal style.

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 09:45 AM

So, you believe that she is wearing a tux because she simply likes the way it looks? You dont think that she is doing it because she is gay? There is a lesbian woman that works here in my building, she wears men's slacks, men's shirts, and has a traditional man's hair cut. I seriously doubt she does this because of the way it looks/feels.

There are a lot of lesbians who like less feminine clothes. It is their preferences. Some straight women too. Diane Keaton wears tuxes sometimes. Some lesbains like looking more masculine because it reflects how they feel inside. Ellen has a short haircut and wears pants a lot, while her wife (who is ridiculously hot) dresses like any other girl. So yeah, I think the fact that she is gay is probably part of why she has the kind of personality that made her want to wear a tux. However, it wasn't meant to be an in-your-face social statement.

Jesus christ.

I feel bad for the lesbian who has to work with you. Either she is incredibly patient or you keep your ignorance to yourself.

SincerelyMe

04/29/10, 09:49 AM

DrStrong

04/29/10, 09:51 AM

There are a lot of lesbians who like less feminine clothes. It is their preferences. Some straight women too. Diane Keaton wears tuxes sometimes. Some lesbains like looking more masculine because it reflects how they feel inside. Ellen has a short haircut and wears pants a lot, while her wife (who is ridiculously hot) dresses like any other girl. So yeah, I think the fact that she is gay is probably part of why she has the kind of personality that made her want to wear a tux. However, it wasn't meant to be an in-your-face social statement.

Jesus christ.

I feel bad for the lesbian who has to work with you. Either she is incredibly patient or you keep your ignorance to yourself.

I dont work "with" her, but i see her around from time to time. I dont speak to her, our duties here are completely different from one another.

Diane Keaton wears a MENS tux? Ellen wears woman's slacks from what i've seen mostly, and she has a woman's haircut.

So, im not the most macho man out there, but im no where near femanine. But if a guy wanted to wear a blouse, or womans shoes, whatever, at a work place or school, you think that would be ok?

If the guy says something along the lines of, "i like to wear these things because they're comfortable.", I guarantee he will be repromanded and sent home to change clothes, thats it.

If the same guy says something like, "im a homosexual, this is me expressing myself.", there will be a totally different outcome. The person's personal rights would be questioned.

Thats basically a double standard.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 09:52 AM

Really?
Ask a straight girl, "would you wear a men's tux?". Her answer would probably be, "no, im not gay".

SincerelyMe

04/29/10, 09:57 AM

Ask a straight girl, "would you wear a men's tux?". Her answer would probably be, "no, im not gay".

Your statement that she's doing it because she's gay and not because that's what she's comfortable with is ridiculous.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 09:58 AM

Your statement that she's doing it because she's gay and not because that's what she's comfortable with is ridiculous.
My opinion isnt going to change.

Do you know any straight girls that would wear a mens tux for any other reason than Halloween/costume party?

The girl at the highschool is doing this because she is gay, nothing more.

EDIT: She is trying to get attention, she wants it to be known to everyone else who looks at that year book that she is gay. Gay people always say that they want to be treated the same as everyone else, it doesn't help when jackasses to some sort of stunt to deliberately go against the "norm" of a given situation.

xsandwichesx

04/29/10, 09:59 AM

I'm starting to think the porn industry has been lying to me and that these lesbians I've been watching for years, really don't exist in real life.
my thoughts exactly!

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 10:01 AM

But if a guy wanted to wear a blouse, or womans shoes, whatever, at a work place or school, you think that would be ok?

Honestly, I think people should be able to wear whatever they feel comfortable in as long as it doesn't interfere with their job performance. I can understand your boss interfering there though. A man wouldn't show up to a business meeting in a dress. It could distract from the situation / be bad for business / whatever. I don't think that a woman wearing men's clothing has the same effect though. What is more likely to turn heads and cause problems: a man in a skirt and heels at work, or a woman in a man's coat / pants.

I think the reason a lot of lesbians choose more masculine clothes is because our society has such a strict definition of what a girl is "supposed" to wear and look like, and it is understandable that they would want to reject that. I don't think that gay men have the same experience with that.

I honestly don't fucking understand how you're not getting this.

If the guy says something along the lines of, "i like to wear these things because they're comfortable.", I guarantee he will be repromanded and sent home to change clothes, thats it.

If the same guy says something like, "im a homosexual, this is me expressing myself.", there will be a totally different outcome. The person's personal rights would be questioned.

A heterosexual man probably wouldn't want to wear anything like that. Your argument is invalid.

SincerelyMe

04/29/10, 10:04 AM

My opinion isnt going to change.

Do you know any straight girls that would wear a mens tux for any other reason than Halloween/costume party?

The girl at the highschool is doing this because she is gay, nothing more.

EDIT: She is trying to get attention, she wants it to be known to everyone else who looks at that year book that she is gay. Gay people always say that they want to be treated the same as everyone else, it doesn't help when jackasses to some sort of stunt to deliberately go against the "norm" of a given situation.

Oh my god! She did something that isn't "normal"! Shun her!

DrStrong

04/29/10, 10:05 AM

Honestly, I think people should be able to wear whatever they feel comfortable in as long as it doesn't interfere with their job performance. I can understand your boss interfering there though. A man wouldn't show up to a business meeting in a dress. It could distract from the situation / be bad for business / whatever. I don't think that a woman wearing men's clothing has the same effect though. What is more likely to turn heads and cause problems: a man in a skirt and heels at work, or a woman in a man's coat / pants.

I think the reason a lot of lesbians choose more masculine clothes is because our society has such a strict definition of what a girl is "supposed" to wear and look like, and it is understandable that they would want to reject that. I don't think that gay men have the same experience with that.

I honestly don't fucking understand how you're not getting this.

A heterosexual man probably wouldn't want to wear anything like that. Your argument is invalid.

You do know that there is a group of people out there referred to as "cross dressers", right?

I dont agree with you that the girl is trying to go against what a girl should wear/look like. I believe she is trying to make a statement, you have to be hard headed to think otherwise.

I have no problem with gay people, i dont hate them, i just get irritated when they complain about equal rights, then do something that angers people and puts a negative view on them.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 10:07 AM

Oh my god! She did something that isn't "normal"! Shun her!
I put the word "norm" in quotes because it is subjective. But, in this case, it is common knowledge and widely accepted that men wear men's clothing, and women wear woman's clothing. So yes, if that is reversed for whatever reason, it isnt normal.

Drow Swordsman

04/29/10, 10:08 AM

Being a lesbian has NOTHING to do with wearing mens clothing, or grooming yourself to look like a man. She is doing this to make it a known fact that when someone looks in the year book, they will say something along the lines of, "well, i bet she is gay.".

Holy shit, I didn't think bigots like this really existed; at least on absolutepunk.net. It is 2010, dude. There are people (there are a few at UMD) who along with just being homosexual, truly feel more comfortable with themselves as a person wearing the opposite gender's clothing. A dude at my university wears a dress - everywhere. He isn't flashy. He isn't trying to be special. He's actually super quiet and polite. But if people need to be able to be comfortable with themselves, wearing clothes that some people might find odd seriously doesn't harm anyone, and isn't to get headlines on news sites or have their peers pay attention to them.

PS. There was a time where a woman could never wear jeans, and to want to where them was considered weird. Semi-related.

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 10:11 AM

You do know that there is a group of people out there referred to as "cross dressers", right?

I dont agree with you that the girl is trying to go against what a girl should wear/look like. I believe she is trying to make a statement, you have to be hard headed to think otherwise.

I have no problem with gay people, i dont hate them, i just get irritated when they complain about equal rights, then do something that angers people and puts a negative view on them.

Not all gays/lesbians are transgender / transvestite

Not all transgenders/transvestites are gay / lesbian

She is NOT trying to make a fucking statement. She's wearing what she is comfortable dressing in.

She wasn't trying to anger anybody. She was being herself. I don't know how else I can say it.

You clearly have a problem with gay people. Don't kid yourself.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 10:11 AM

Holy shit, I didn't think bigots like this really existed; at least on absolutepunk.net. It is 2010, dude. There are people (there are a few at UMD) who along with just being homosexual, truly feel more comfortable with themselves as a person wearing the opposite gender's clothing. A dude at my university wears a dress - everywhere. He isn't flashy. He isn't trying to be special. He's actually super quiet and polite. But if people need to be able to be comfortable with themselves, wearing clothes that some people might find odd seriously doesn't harm anyone, and isn't to get headlines on news sites or have their peers pay attention to them.

Call me whatever you want dude, but i have my standpoint.

Its bullshit to say that a guy walking around a college campus in a dress isnt going to get peers to pay attention to them. Well, maybe not directly address the matter, but staring is inevitable.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 10:12 AM

Not all gays/lesbians are transgender / transvestite

Not all transgenders/transvestites are gay / lesbian

She is NOT trying to make a fucking statement. She's wearing what she is comfortable dressing in.

She wasn't trying to anger anybody. She was being herself. I don't know how else I can say it.

You clearly have a problem with gay people. Don't kid yourself.

I used to get hit on by gay guys, a fucking lot. Gay guys that i've interacted with for the most part have crossed the line with me, either assuming im gay or making it known they were interested in me. I have no problem with any gay people except for the ones i've mentioned.

SincerelyMe

04/29/10, 10:13 AM

I have no problem with gay people, i dont hate them, i just get irritated when they complain about equal rights, then do something that angers people and puts a negative view on them.

You realize that most rational people are angry at the school, not her, right?

I put the word "norm" in quotes because it is subjective. But, in this case, it is common knowledge and widely accepted that men wear men's clothing, and women wear woman's clothing. So yes, if that is reversed for whatever reason, it isnt normal.

Okay. And people that aren't normal shouldn't have the same rights and should be treated differently. Gotcha.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 10:15 AM

Drow Swordsman

04/29/10, 10:17 AM

Call me whatever you want dude, but i have my standpoint.

Its bullshit to say that a guy walking around a college campus in a dress isnt going to get peers to pay attention to them. Well, maybe not directly address the matter, but staring is inevitable.

You're taking the actions of others and assuming the intentions of the person I'm speaking of (and I believe you are wrong). You are indeed making your point, and it definitely agrees with the viewpoint of my previous post. I would seriously start looking at how you look at others - are you as accepting of gays and others as you think? I would like to think homophobia and the such can be cured with introspective thinking, isn't that how society has progressed the issue over time?

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 10:18 AM

Americanism

04/29/10, 10:18 AM

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 10:21 AM

So, are you pro gender norms or against them? In the bolded section, you're simultaneously challenging them and reinforcing them.

I'm in between. Different situations require different standards. If a man walks into a business meeting in drag, it isn't wrong to assume that that could have a negative effect on the meeting.

A girl wearing a tux in her yearbook picture hurts nobody. Even if a guy wanted to wear a dress in his yearbook picture, it hurts no one.

But I think comparing a man in a dress and a woman in a tux is ridiculous, because there are differences in what is socially "expected" and "accepted" of men and women.

Americanism

04/29/10, 10:21 AM

I used to get hit on by gay guys, a fucking lot. Gay guys that i've interacted with for the most part have crossed the line with me, either assuming im gay or making it known they were interested in me. I have no problem with any gay people except for the ones i've mentioned.

Oh shit I think I stumbled across the route of the problems guys. Dr Strong, in light of your name and your passive aggressiveness to the gay community I am recommending to you, as your friend, that you explore the option that you are a deeply closeted homosexual male. Just bathe in it. Give it time to soak. My work here is done.

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 10:22 AM

Like being gay?

I know right

"I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians, as long as they act 100% "straight" all the time"

Drow Swordsman

04/29/10, 10:23 AM

I used to get hit on by gay guys, a fucking lot. Gay guys that i've interacted with for the most part have crossed the line with me, either assuming im gay or making it known they were interested in me. I have no problem with any gay people except for the ones i've mentioned.

Oh wait...you're one of those dudes who claims to be okay with gays "but if they hit on me, I'm fucking done". I know dudes like you, they really are bigots. Go to a party with them and they spill the beans the second they see a gay dude. Personally I'm flattered, guys thinking I'm attractive doesn't mean they're going to rape me or something. I have a gay friend who makes jokes with me all the time, he knows I'm not gay and that nothing will happen. You can quote me but your opinion is clearly set in stone, I won't bother replying.

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 10:23 AM

Oh shit I think I stumbled across the route of the problems guys. Dr Strong, in light of your name and your passive aggressiveness to the gay community I am recommending to you, as your friend, that you explore the option that you are a deeply closeted homosexual male. Just bathe in it. Give it time to soak. My work here is done.

I agree. This guy is such a closet case.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 10:23 AM

I'm in between. Different situations require different standards. If a man walks into a business meeting in drag, it isn't wrong to assume that that could have a negative effect on the meeting.

A girl wearing a tux in her yearbook picture hurts nobody. Even if a guy wanted to wear a dress in his yearbook picture, it hurts no one.

But I think comparing a man in a dress and a woman in a tux is ridiculous, because there are differences in what is socially "expected" and "accepted" of men and women.
That is in conflict with your original point. What's considered socially acceptable is for men to wear men's clothes and women to wear women's clothes. And societies are different. I'm sure in Mississippi, being gay in general may not be considered socially acceptable.

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 10:25 AM

That is in conflict with your original point. What's considered socially acceptable is for men to wear men's clothes and women to wear women's clothes. And societies are different. I'm sure in Mississippi, being gay in general may not be considered socially acceptable.

Then it's Mississippi's problem, not her's.

SincerelyMe

04/29/10, 10:26 AM

Americanism

04/29/10, 10:34 AM

I'm in between. Different situations require different standards. If a man walks into a business meeting in drag, it isn't wrong to assume that that could have a negative effect on the meeting.

Not to mention these are not full grown adults we are talking about, these are high school students. I realize that its the same age group as a lot of the posters here, but am I the only one who thinks that a school sending a message like this to their young impressionable students is pretty fucked up. They are training the next generation to be just as close minded as they are. What if a young gay freshmen saw this happen and abandoned their gay identity, perhaps before even having the chance to realize it. The issues that they would have to deal with their whole life are numerous. At this age you have to be way more open to individuality because experimentation is part of life and learning who we are.

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 10:36 AM

http://i32.tinypic.com/4ptwea.jpg

I wrote a paper on Col Fitts for my gender class this semester. DrStrong is probably Chris Cooper

MyNameIsRoss

04/29/10, 10:55 AM

pretty messed up..

DrStrong

04/29/10, 11:14 AM

Like being gay?

No, like going out of there way to make sure people know they are gay. In this case, wearing men's clothing to "stir things up".

Oh shit I think I stumbled across the route of the problems guys. Dr Strong, in light of your name and your passive aggressiveness to the gay community I am recommending to you, as your friend, that you explore the option that you are a deeply closeted homosexual male. Just bathe in it. Give it time to soak. My work here is done.

My user name is the title of a song by Cage, nothing more. Secondly, I am not gay, never have been, never will be. Believe me if you like, i dont really care.

Oh wait...you're one of those dudes who claims to be okay with gays "but if they hit on me, I'm fucking done". I know dudes like you, they really are bigots. Go to a party with them and they spill the beans the second they see a gay dude. Personally I'm flattered, guys thinking I'm attractive doesn't mean they're going to rape me or something. I have a gay friend who makes jokes with me all the time, he knows I'm not gay and that nothing will happen. You can quote me but your opinion is clearly set in stone, I won't bother replying.

I dont appreciate being hit on by gay guys, I dont like the fact that a gay guy automatically thinks im gay for whatever reason. As for "they hit on me, im done" type guys, I dont think i fit into that role. I dont hate gay people, like i said before, i only had a problem with the ones who assumed i was gay, and made advances that werent so subtle.

Its pretty much the same type of feeling a lot of women have towards men. They get hit on constantly and derogatory comments are made, giving them a bad impression (at first), of all men. Its the same thing, really.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 11:16 AM

You're taking the actions of others and assuming the intentions of the person I'm speaking of (and I believe you are wrong). You are indeed making your point, and it definitely agrees with the viewpoint of my previous post. I would seriously start looking at how you look at others - are you as accepting of gays and others as you think? I would like to think homophobia and the such can be cured with introspective thinking, isn't that how society has progressed the issue over time?
I have the same standpoint towards PETA, constantly shoving animal violence that happens in SOME, of the united states' slaughter houses.

I'de be the same way towards a straight guy wearing a shirt that says "i love pussy", trying to get into a high school year book.

Americanism

04/29/10, 11:19 AM

No, like going out of there way to make sure people know they are gay. In this case, wearing men's clothing to "stir things up"

I guess what bothers me about this logic is, do you have any problem with christians handing out bibles? Because as angry as you are at a gay person for acting gay and being who they are, you must really hate people who try and actually alter the opinions of others. And do regard my second post as completely sarcastic, I'm sure your wife might have something to say about me calling you gay.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 11:23 AM

I guess what bothers me about this logic is, do you have any problem with christians handing out bibles? Because as angry as you are at a gay person for acting gay and being who they are, you must really hate people who try and actually alter the opinions of others. And do regard my second post as completely sarcastic, I'm sure your wife might have something to say about me calling you gay.

Its alright im not offended.

But back on subject, being gay does not equal crossdressing, which is what she was doing, i dont see how people can argue that.

As a matter of fact, I come from a Christian background, but at the same time, i dont appreciate when people preach to me, not knowing my religious beliefs. I have a problem with any orginization which deals in peoples beliefs/lifestyle, that try to force their believe/lifestyle onto me. Especially if they use scare tactics, like PETA.

paper halo

04/29/10, 11:26 AM

Guy's a bigot, I don't see how he can claim otherwise.

Americanism

04/29/10, 11:32 AM

Its alright im not offended.

But back on subject, being gay does not equal crossdressing, which is what she was doing, i dont see how people can argue that.

As a matter of fact, I come from a Christian background, but at the same time, i dont appreciate when people preach to me, not knowing my religious beliefs. I have a problem with any orginization which deals in peoples beliefs/lifestyle, that try to force their believe/lifestyle onto me. Especially if they use scare tactics, like PETA.

Then I guess for the most part I can understand your opinion. I guess I just don't get what is so offensive about a female wearing a tuxedo. You seem logical so this makes no sense to me. I mean and from the sounds of it she wasn't some crazy in your face lesbian, she just wanted to wear a tuxedo in her senior picture. And the fact that they completely removed her existence from the yearbook is kind of disgusting. In ours, kids who dropped or didn't graduate on time or other circumstances were listed as not pictured. They couldn't have even done that??

DrStrong

04/29/10, 11:34 AM

Then I guess for the most part I can understand your opinion. I guess I just don't get what is so offensive about a female wearing a tuxedo. You seem logical so this makes no sense to me. I mean and from the sounds of it she wasn't some crazy in your face lesbian, she just wanted to wear a tuxedo in her senior picture. And the fact that they completely removed her existence from the yearbook is kind of disgusting. In ours, kids who dropped or didn't graduate on time or other circumstances were listed as not pictured. They couldn't have even done that??

The girl IS gay though, right? I know the title of this thread says so, but did i miss a link to an article?

The fact of a female wearing a tux isnt wrong, IMO. On the other hand, if she is doing it to make sure people know she is gay, by dressing like a man, then i think its wrong.

Americanism

04/29/10, 11:38 AM

The girl IS gay though, right? I know the title of this thread says so, but did i miss a link to an article?

The fact of a female wearing a tux isnt wrong, IMO. On the other hand, if she is doing it to make sure people know she is gay, by dressing like a man, then i think its wrong.

Well I guess I just feel like it is none of our places to gauge her motives. She might not wear a tux because she is gay. Being more comfortable in male formal ware than female formal ware might have been one of the numerous factors that helped her come out. Or shit she just might be super vain and think that she looks better in a tux and she wanted to look her best for her senior pictures. Like I wouldn't have worn a football jersey to my senior pictures, but I am holding a football, is that wrong?

DrStrong

04/29/10, 11:41 AM

Well I guess I just feel like it is none of our place to gauge her motives. She might not wear a tux because she is gay. Being more comfortable in male formal ware than female formal ware might have been one of the numerous factors that helped her come out. Or shit she just might be super vain and think that she looks better in a tux and she wanted to look her best for her senior pictures. Like I wouldn't have worn a football jersey to my senior pictures, but I am holding a football, is that wrong?

Well, because being gay isnt the "norm" in this country. It may become that way some time, but for now, its not that way.

reckoner

04/29/10, 11:51 AM

Americanism

04/29/10, 11:52 AM

Well, because being gay isnt the "norm" in this country. It may become that way some time, but for now, its not that way.

Ah, see now I feel like the line has been crossed. Because personally, I couldn't give a fuck less what the "norm" of this country, or the state of Mississippi, or the high school itself is because if your going to work at progression you have to let the "norm" fly out the window. I hate to be one of "those" people but if we didn't challenge the "norm" or if we allowed the people who are completely intolerant to others outside their "norm" than we would live in a country were only rich white land owners are allowed to voice their opinions. I mean I heard this hip new song the other day that covers this pretty well.

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SincerelyMe

04/29/10, 12:28 PM

I dont appreciate being hit on by gay guys, I dont like the fact that a gay guy automatically thinks im gay for whatever reason. As for "they hit on me, im done" type guys, I dont think i fit into that role. I dont hate gay people, like i said before, i only had a problem with the ones who assumed i was gay, and made advances that werent so subtle.

If you are offended that someone thinks you might be gay, you clearly have a problem with gay people.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 12:30 PM

Then it's Mississippi's problem, not her's.
You're missing my point. You seem to be saying that a man wearing woman's clothes should be treated differently than a woman wearing a man's clothes. You based your argument off societal standards of gender norms. I'm simply asking why do you view the two as different? Aren't you, by subscribing to that notion, supporting the same gender norms in one case that you seem to be so passionately against in another?

Mibabalou

04/29/10, 12:32 PM

the school can decided to take out any picture they want, it is their yearbook

The Indigo

04/29/10, 12:36 PM

Ah, see now I feel like the line has been crossed. Because personally, I couldn't give a fuck less what the "norm" of this country, or the state of Mississippi, or the high school itself is because if your going to work at progression you have to let the "norm" fly out the window. I hate to be one of "those" people but if we didn't challenge the "norm" or if we allowed the people who are completely intolerant to others outside their "norm" than we would live in a country were only rich white land owners are allowed to voice their opinions. I mean I heard this hip new song the other day that covers this pretty well.

I agree the norm should be challenged and that people should be allowed to wear whatever they wanted. However, when it comes to a school environment, there are dress codes in place. Those dress codes enforce gender norms, yes, and that is probably not a good thing, but they're not in place specifically to do that; they're in place so a student's clothing won't become a distraction from the school's sole motive, which is to educate. A girl wearing men's clothing in a school picture could be considered a distraction so, as a future educator, I have to side with the school on this one. She wasn't removed from the yearbook because she was a homosexual (in fact, the article notes that she was accepted by students and staff at the school as openly gay); she was removed because she violated the dress code. To allow one group of students (homosexual females) to be allowed to violate the dress code while others are not is, in my opinion, discrimination. If the school didn't have a dress code, it'd be a different story.

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 12:41 PM

You're missing my point. You seem to be saying that a man wearing woman's clothes should be treated differently than a woman wearing a man's clothes. You based your argument off societal standards of gender norms. I'm simply asking why do you view the two as different? Aren't you, by subscribing to that notion, supporting the same gender norms in one case that you seem to be so passionately against in another?

You're right... there is a contradiction in what I"m saying. I was talking more from a societal standpoint rather than my own personal belief, and how in certain situations it is not 100% out of line to request that someone dress a certain way, but other times it is discrimination. I don't see how anyone could have been harmed by the girl wearing a tux. It's what she wanted to do and therefore should be allowed to. If a guy wanted his senior picture to be of him in a dress, it isn't going to hurt anyone. However, there are situations where such things could cause distractions and such where dress codes should be more strict. A girl can wear a bikini on the beach but if a girl walked into my high school with too much cleavage she would be told to change. That isn't discrimination. This is.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 12:41 PM

Not to mention these are not full grown adults we are talking about, these are high school students. I realize that its the same age group as a lot of the posters here, but am I the only one who thinks that a school sending a message like this to their young impressionable students is pretty fucked up. They are training the next generation to be just as close minded as they are. What if a young gay freshmen saw this happen and abandoned their gay identity, perhaps before even having the chance to realize it. The issues that they would have to deal with their whole life are numerous. At this age you have to be way more open to individuality because experimentation is part of life and learning who we are.
This isn't about a students "gay identity." Homosexuality is not a choice but what you wear is certainly one's own choice. To say that the way someone dresses figures at all into their identity as a homosexual or heterosexual is a pretty backwoods idea in and of itself.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 12:45 PM

You're right... there is a contradiction in what I"m saying. I was talking more from a societal standpoint rather than my own personal belief, and how in certain situations it is not 100% out of line to request that someone dress a certain way, but other times it is discrimination. I don't see how anyone could have been harmed by the girl wearing a tux. It's what she wanted to do and therefore should be allowed to. If a guy wanted his senior picture to be of him in a dress, it isn't going to hurt anyone. However, there are situations where such things could cause distractions and such where dress codes should be more strict. A girl can wear a bikini on the beach but if a girl walked into my high school with too much cleavage she would be told to change. That isn't discrimination. This is.
You've yet to explain why. A girl walking into school in a bikini wouldn't "hurt" anyone either. Like I said before, people should be allowed whatever they feel comfortable in, but I'm a firm believe in dress codes in schools. This student violated her school's dress code and is now trying to make it an issue about her homosexuality. If the school was really trying to be discriminatory towards her, why would they start now after she's been attending the school for twelve years and has been openly homosexual?

Americanism

04/29/10, 12:45 PM

I agree the norm should be challenged and that people should be allowed to wear whatever they wanted. However, when it comes to a school environment, there are dress codes in place. Those dress codes enforce gender norms, yes, and that is probably not a good thing, but they're not in place specifically to do that; they're in place so a student's clothing won't become a distraction from the school's sole motive, which is to educate. A girl wearing men's clothing in a school picture could be considered a distraction so, as a future educator, I have to side with the school on this one. She wasn't removed from the yearbook because she was a homosexual (in fact, the article notes that she was accepted by students and staff at the school as openly gay); she was removed because she violated the dress code. To allow one group of students (homosexual females) to be allowed to violate the dress code while others are not is, in my opinion, discrimination. If the school didn't have a dress code, it'd be a different story.

So because she violated the dress code they decided to obliterate any trace of this girl from her senior yearbook, not just simply remove the picture and include her in the 'not pictured' segment. That is wrong. Furthermore I fail to see how a senior picture in a yearbook detracts from education. If she wore it to the school, on a school day, and they asked her to wear something less distracting your saying that is ok. And quite honestly if I cared about THAT instance a little more I'd have an opinion. But a yearbook's entire purpose is to remember high school and the people you went to school with, it is in absolutely no way effects to the education they received in the four years they attended that school. In fact now they are just teaching intolerance. They have erased this girl from her own history because she wanted to be remembered for who she was, dropouts and drug abusers get remembered.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 12:48 PM

So because she violated the dress code they decided to obliterate any trace of this girl from her senior yearbook, not just simply remove the picture and include her in the 'not pictured' segment. That is wrong. Furthermore I fail to see how a senior picture in a yearbook detracts from education. If she wore it to the school, on a school day, and they asked her to wear something less distracting your saying that is ok. And quite honestly if I cared about THAT instance a little more I'd have an opinion. But a yearbook's entire purpose is to remember high school and the people you went to school with, it is in absolutely no way effects to the education they received in the four years they attended that school. In fact now they are just teaching intolerance. They have erased this girl from her own history because she wanted to be remembered for who she was, dropouts and drug abusers get remembered.
The drug abusers weren't doing drugs in their school picture (and before anyone tries to put words in my mouth, I'm not saying doing drugs is equal to a girl wearing a tux; I'm just drawing a comparison with the fact that they are both against the rules). If you were a principal, would you let a student's senior picture be of them breaking your school's rules?

Americanism

04/29/10, 12:53 PM

This isn't about a students "gay identity." Homosexuality is not a choice but what you wear is certainly one's own choice. To say that the way someone dresses figures at all into their identity as a homosexual or heterosexual is a pretty backwoods idea in and of itself.

You are going to be incredibly hard pressed to find a teenager who has a clothing style that does not reflect back upon who they are or who they think they are or who they are trying to be. The fact is kids experiment with what they wear for a million reasons but its all part of discovery. My best friend wore a long black leather trench coat his first two years in high school until he branched out from the 'fuck society' mindset that he had that led him to dress like that. Now he is Glenn Beck's biggest fan and guess what? He dresses like a socially conservative person would. I'm sorry but I refuse to get so caught up in trying to be politically correct, or whatever your trying to do, that I am going to ignore basic logic. Yes what a person wears does have something to do with who they are. No you shouldn't limit an individuals own taste and style as long as it is done respectfully and tastefully.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:00 PM

You are going to be incredibly hard pressed to find a teenager who has a clothing style that does not reflect back upon who they are or who they think they are or who they are trying to be. The fact is kids experiment with what they wear for a million reasons but its all part of discovery. My best friend wore a long black leather trench coat his first two years in high school until he branched out from the 'fuck society' mindset that he had that led him to dress like that. Now he is Glenn Beck's biggest fan and guess what? He dresses like a socially conservative person would. I'm sorry but I refuse to get so caught up in trying to be politically correct, or whatever your trying to do, that I am going to ignore basic logic. Yes what a person wears does have something to do with who they are. No you shouldn't limit an individuals own taste and style as long as it is done respectfully and tastefully.
To say "this student should be allowed to violate the dress code as long as it's respectful" is an oxymoron. Violating the dress code is disrespectful. Aside from that, why is this form of experimentation considered any different from others? There are very tasteful and respectful mini-skirts out there, but they're not allowed to be worn in schools (or at least they weren't in my high school). Again, if you were a principal, would you allow students to trample all over the dress code for sake of "experimentation?" Why even have a dress code if you're OK with letting students wear whatever they want as long as it subscribes to the incredibly arbitrary tag of "tasteful?"

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:00 PM

The drug abusers weren't doing drugs in their school picture (and before anyone tries to put words in my mouth, I'm not saying doing drugs is equal to a girl wearing a tux; I'm just drawing a comparison with the fact that they are both against the rules). If you were a principal, would you let a student's senior picture be of them breaking your school's rules?

Well, as an individual who doesn't believe that a female not wearing a dress isn't offensive and that they can do things now other than cook, clean, and make babies, I probably wouldn't have rules that say a woman has to wear a 'scoop-necked drape'.

Shannon Minter, an attorney who represented Youngblood in the 2004 case, said Copiah had chosen a poor foundation upon which to build an argument, considering the school settled with the plaintiff.  "The school agreed to settle the case and changed their policy. That's the only reason we dropped our appeal," Minter said.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:01 PM

The dress code itself is disrespectful if it forces women to wear a dress.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:03 PM

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:04 PM

Well, as an individual who doesn't believe that a female not wearing a dress isn't offensive and that they can do things now other than cook, clean, and make babies, I probably wouldn't have rules that say a woman has to wear a 'scoop-necked drape'.
Strawman. No one said anything about anti-feminism and that is not a relevant factor in this discussion.

The dress code itself is disrespectful if it forces women to wear a dress.
That's a completely different school than the one we're talking about here, and I think they just had that policy for school picture day. It's no different than any other school (most schools, as I understand it, place stricter dress code policies for special occasions, ie picture day, award ceremonies, graduation, etc.).

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:06 PM

And for the record I have never seen a miniskirt that a school had to tell a girl to change out of that I would view as tasteful. Showing the world your ass is a lot different than wearing a tux. I would never say let students wear what they want, but saying girls have to wear a dress or they are erased from the record books is a very symbolic move against suffrage. IMO.
This Mississippi school didn't say she had to wear a dress, or if they did, we don't know it. You're looking at the information for the precedent case they used. She could've worn a woman's pant suit. I'm not sure how that would have been any less comfortable than a men's tux (and really, who is comfortable in a men's tux? Those things suck.).

Edit: Also, suffrage is the right of women to vote. It has nothing to do with the way they dress.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:09 PM

Ok Indigo I think the problem here is you didn't take the time to actually read up on the subject. First off go here. (http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/school_cuts_gay_student_photo_from_ yearbook/)

They are specifically saying it is because she did not wear a dress. And its not my fault you don't understand the concept of a precedent.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 01:11 PM

If you are offended that someone thinks you might be gay, you clearly have a problem with gay people.
So when a guy hits on you, and you feel disrespected, do you have bad feelings against men in general?

Im certain your answer will be no. The same rules apply here youngster :-)

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:12 PM

Edit: Also, suffrage is the right of women to vote. It has nothing to do with the way they dress.

The whole point I am trying to make is that this is a step backwards from progression. I know exactly what suffrage means thank you.

:lol:

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:13 PM

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:14 PM

The whole point I am trying to make is that this is a step backwards from progression. I know exactly what suffrage means thank you.

:lol:
How is it a step backwards? All schools have dress codes.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:17 PM

reckoner

04/29/10, 01:18 PM

How is it a step backwards? All schools have dress codes.

Dress codes are there so kids don't wear something offensive to schools. A girl wearing a tux is not offensive.

EDIT: It's limiting expression. I think that's wrong and a major step backwards.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:22 PM

Dress codes are there so kids don't wear something offensive to schools. A girl wearing a tux is not offensive.

EDIT: It's limiting expression. I think that's wrong.
Dress codes are in place to remove distractions, not just take away something offensive. Is anyone offended by a hat? Most schools' dress codes say no hats in the building. I agree, dress codes limit expression, but all uniforms do. If anything, having a dress code more accurately prepares students for work world, where they wouldn't be allowed to just wear whatever they want.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:23 PM

We're getting away from the topic. My main point is this: either all students should be able to wear whatever they want, or they should all follow the dress code. Perhaps the dress code should be changed to make it less reliant on gender norms; I would support that. But I don't support a certain group of students being allowed to violate it while others are not.

So say it was 1955, would you support a black woman sitting on a part of the bus she isn't allowed in?

Sturgis and her mother commissioned the Mississippi ACLU to protest officials' October 2009 decision not to allow Sturgis' photo to appear in the senior yearbook because she chose to wear a tuxedo instead of a dress.

I think any school endorsed rules that are that fundamentalist should be saved for private schools. In a public school a female student should be allowed to wear something other than a dress for her senior picture. There is absolutely no way around that IMO. I am sorry that as neither a teacher nor a prospective teacher I am not bound to be the school's bitch.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:24 PM

You have failed to show how its a distraction at all. It is in a yearbook.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:35 PM

So say it was 1955, would you support a black woman sitting on a part of the bus she isn't allowed in?
One's skin color is not a choice. Wearing a tux is. To compare the two situations is utterly ridiculous and a sign of complete ignorance to the intricacies of the ongoing gender norms discussion.

I think any school endorsed rules that are that fundamentalist should be saved for private schools. In a public school a female student should be allowed to wear something other than a dress for her senior picture. There is absolutely no way around that IMO. I am sorry that as neither a teacher nor a prospective teacher I am not bound to be the school's bitch.
I don't think wearing a dress is fundamentalist, but alright. What you call "being the school's bitch" (incredibly mature, by the way) is actually just an understanding of educational psychology. Dress conformity has been shown to improve school performance and discipline. But like I said before, we kind of agree; I think students should be allowed to wear whatever they want and I wish teenagers were mature enough to handle having that choice and respecting the choice others would make in said instances, but that's not the case.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:39 PM

You have failed to show how its a distraction at all. It is in a yearbook.
I didn't say it was. If I did, I apologize for misspeaking. I simply said the school has decided it is a distraction and, in my personal experience, I know kids at my high school would've had a field day with something like that. Aside from that, I would like the girl to be able to wear her tux all she wants. I'd rather wear a dress than a tux. Tuxes suck. My concern comes in with the fact that other students were not allowed to violate the dress code in their pictures. If she is allowed to do so, it is unfair to the other students.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:43 PM

One's skin color is not a choice. Wearing a tux is. To compare the two situations is utterly ridiculous and a sign of complete ignorance to the intricacies of the ongoing gender norms discussion.

Homosexuality isn't a choice. So discriminating against somebody for wanting their existence to be recognized is pretty similar. Your just getting worked by everybody in this forum and now your turning into an ass.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:47 PM

I don't think wearing a dress is fundamentalist, but alright. What you call "being the school's bitch" (incredibly mature, by the way) is actually just an understanding of educational psychology. Dress conformity has been shown to improve school performance and discipline. But like I said before, we kind of agree; I think students should be allowed to wear whatever they want and I wish teenagers were mature enough to handle having that choice and respecting the choice others would make in said instances, but that's not the case.

Saying your not allowed to wear anything other than a dress is. And as somebody who went to a catholic school for seven years, I think that is the more appropriate place for such conservative views on feminism. I think most kids need to be stopped from wearing anything they want. Just in this instance I see nothing wrong with the student. The flaw is with the system. Completely conforming to the system is ignorant. When its wrong acknowledge its wrong or your taking away from what is actually right about it.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 01:47 PM

Homosexuality isn't a choice. So discriminating against somebody for wanting their existence to be recognized is pretty similar. Your just getting worked by everybody in this forum and now your turning into an ass.
Sexual preference has nothing to do with the clothes you wear, gender does.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:51 PM

Homosexuality isn't a choice. So discriminating against somebody for wanting their existence to be recognized is pretty similar. Your just getting worked by everybody in this forum and now your turning into an ass.
Homosexuality and clothing choice have nothing to do with each other. One is a choice; one isn't.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:53 PM

Sexual preference has nothing to do with the clothes you wear, gender does.

Honestly, even as a Montanan, that is shockingly close minded. Most things about a person dictate the things they wear, be it politics, music, religion, or whatever. I'm not a quaker so its going to be very hard to convince me that people should dress solely based upon their genitals.

FueledByFrodo

04/29/10, 01:53 PM

Sexual preference has nothing to do with the clothes you wear, gender does.

Some gay people identify with the opposite gender. Therefore, they would wear clothes of the opposite gender and act as though they were of the opposite gender. Also, just admit you're a huge bigot and we can be done here.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:55 PM

Saying your not allowed to wear anything other than a dress is. And as somebody who went to a catholic school for seven years, I think that is the more appropriate place for such conservative views on feminism. I think most kids need to be stopped from wearing anything they want. Just in this instance I see nothing wrong with the student. The flaw is with the system. Completely conforming to the system is ignorant. When its wrong acknowledge its wrong or your taking away from what is actually right about it.
I don't see anything wrong with the instance either; it's the assumption that because she's a lesbian she should be allowed to violate the dress code that I take offense with.

We're just going back and forth in a circle now. Looking from the educator's viewpoint, as that is where my mind first goes, the dress code is in place for a reason and she violated it, and now everyone is making it about her homosexuality. The way one dresses is not an indicator of sexuality, and I find that idea to be incredibly ignorant. But I have to go to dinner, so I'm done for now.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:55 PM

Homosexuality and clothing choice have nothing to do with each other. One is a choice; one isn't.

Got it. So be gay, but if you let anybody know its straight to the gallows.

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 01:56 PM

:popcorn:

What a nice afternoon.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:57 PM

All I'm saying is they need to change this one rule because its incredibly offensive to say that women HAVE to wear a dress. I want straight girls to be allowed to wear a tux too. I couldn't give a fuck less about her sexuality.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 01:58 PM

Some gay people identify with the opposite gender. Therefore, they would wear clothes of the opposite gender and act as though they were of the opposite gender. Also, just admit you're a huge bigot and we can be done here.
Arent there kiddie forums on AP?

But to your point, im not a bigot, i dont get disgusted when i look at gay people, i dont hate them because they are attracted to the same sex. I just dont appreciate some of their actions, or "demonstrations", whatever you want to call it. If said it a couple time before in this thread, but some gays use their sexual preference as a way to justify things that a straight person couldnt get away with.

By using the argument, "I was born like this.", gay people could get away with a lot more than a straight person could.

The Indigo

04/29/10, 01:58 PM

Got it. So be gay, but if you let anybody know its straight to the gallows.
The fact that you believe the way one dress is so perfect of an indicator to their sexuality shows an incredible amount of ignorance. But yeah, dinner.

One last thing though. I still don't see why she wanted to wear a tux so badly anyway. They're awful. Anyway, more power to her and I hope they can get her back in the yearbook somehow.

Americanism

04/29/10, 01:58 PM

:popcorn:

What a nice afternoon.

I could use some popcorn. :-(

DrStrong

04/29/10, 01:59 PM

Got it. So be gay, but if you let anybody know its straight to the gallows.
Honestly, do i have to wear a shirt that says "I like pussy", to let people know im straight? What about just telling people? Rather than come up with some action that will shock people, and at the same time inform them?

There are better ways to portray a message.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:00 PM

:popcorn:

What a nice afternoon.
Where is your opinion!!!?? :-p

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 02:00 PM

You've yet to explain why. A girl walking into school in a bikini wouldn't "hurt" anyone either. Like I said before, people should be allowed whatever they feel comfortable in, but I'm a firm believe in dress codes in schools. This student violated her school's dress code and is now trying to make it an issue about her homosexuality. If the school was really trying to be discriminatory towards her, why would they start now after she's been attending the school for twelve years and has been openly homosexual?

It wouldn't hurt anyone, but it would be a distraction. I've actually already said that. What is the purpose of a "dress code" saying that girls cant wear tuxes? Who would be hurt or offended by that? Nobody. The dress code thing is just an easy excuse. The same with the lesbian who couldn't go to her prom because of the fact that she was going to wear a tuxedo. Are you honestly fucking saying that the schools are that concerned with keeping girls out of tuxedos? I don't know how you could possibly be more in denial.

reckoner

04/29/10, 02:00 PM

Dress codes are in place to remove distractions, not just take away something offensive. Is anyone offended by a hat? Most schools' dress codes say no hats in the building. I agree, dress codes limit expression, but all uniforms do.

How is that wearing a tux in a yearbook a distraction?

If anything, having a dress code more accurately prepares students for work world, where they wouldn't be allowed to just wear whatever they want.

I think that's what grad school is for. You don't need to learn how to dress for work in high. I think you should be finding yourself, and like you said, as long as when someone wears is not a distraction then, who gives a fuck?

Americanism

04/29/10, 02:01 PM

The fact that you believe the way one dress is so perfect of an indicator to their sexuality shows an incredible amount of ignorance. But yeah, dinner.

One last thing though. I still don't see why she wanted to wear a tux so badly anyway. They're awful. Anyway, more power to her and I hope they can get her back in the yearbook somehow.

All I have been saying is people use clothing to express themselves. So no I would not call that ignorant. And I actually like wearing a tux, but as a male they are meant to fit me. I don't know if it would even be remotely comfortable on a woman.

Debut_Fin

04/29/10, 02:01 PM

By using the argument, "I was born like this.", gay people could get away with a lot more than a straight person could.

Example please.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:01 PM

Im gonna do something that really shows myself as being heterosexual, how about have a naked chick as my desktop wallpaper? That'll show em!

FueledByFrodo

04/29/10, 02:02 PM

Arent there kiddie forums on AP?

But to your point, im not a bigot, i dont get disgusted when i look at gay people, i dont hate them because they are attracted to the same sex. I just dont appreciate some of their actions, or "demonstrations", whatever you want to call it. If said it a couple time before in this thread, but some gays use their sexual preference as a way to justify things that a straight person couldnt get away with.

By using the argument, "I was born like this.", gay people could get away with a lot more than a straight person could.

First bold: Which makes you a bigot. Sorry champ.

Second Bold: Bullshit.

Also, good one, go after my age, when clearly I'm much more mature and accepting than you. Besides, I seem to have a better grasp on the English language, which calls for capitalization of the word "I," and apostrophe sin the words, "Aren't," and, "I'm." But I need the "Kiddie forums." Clever.

Americanism

04/29/10, 02:03 PM

Honestly, do i have to wear a shirt that says "I like pussy", to let people know im straight? What about just telling people? Rather than come up with some action that will shock people, and at the same time inform them?

There are better ways to portray a message.

Big difference between the tux and the I like pussy shirt. Poorly thought out comparison. Polo shirt with a flipped collar, A&E flip flops, and checkered shorts tell people that you love pussy, so you would wear those instead.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:04 PM

FueledByFrodo

04/29/10, 02:04 PM

Honestly, do i have to wear a shirt that says "I like pussy", to let people know im straight? What about just telling people? Rather than come up with some action that will shock people, and at the same time inform them?

There are better ways to portray a message.

Tux equals shocking. Got it. Also, a shirt with "I like pussy," would be offensive and actually VIOLATE a dress code, whereas a clothing for the opposite gender is not offensive. Unless of course you're a bigot.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:05 PM

First bold: Which makes you a bigot. Sorry champ.

Second Bold: Bullshit.

Also, good one, go after my age, when clearly I'm much more mature and accepting than you. Besides, I seem to have a better grasp on the English language, which calls for capitalization of the word "I," and apostrophe sin the words, "Aren't," and, "I'm." But I need the "Kiddie forums." Clever.

sorry didnt know i was english class i wont let it happen again

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:06 PM

What the hell? Dude ... fucked up.
Hey man, people are entitled to their opinions.

FueledByFrodo

04/29/10, 02:08 PM

sorry didnt know i was english class i wont let it happen again

Ur an enlgish cla$$? Lyke, OMG, thats so awesomeeeee!!!11!!! Wut if i rly splled lyke this? Wudnt it b hrd 2 hve a convo?

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:08 PM

Tux equals shocking. Got it. Also, a shirt with "I like pussy," would be offensive and actually VIOLATE a dress code, whereas a clothing for the opposite gender is not offensive. Unless of course you're a bigot.
But you do realize a woman wearing a tux IS violation of a dress code, right?

The example i gave, portrays a message, but in a vulgar sense. Now we're just talking about degree.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:09 PM

Ur an enlgish cla$$? Lyke, OMG, thats so awesomeeeee!!!11!!! Wut if i rly splled lyke this? Wudnt it b hrd 2 hve a convo?
Hell yes it would, but the lack of a random comma or apostrophe is hardly un-readable.

Americanism

04/29/10, 02:11 PM

Hey man, people are entitled to their opinions.

Well isn't thinking that your opinion is fucked up an opinion itself? And I am curious what situations they get out of with the 'I was born this way' statement other than being attracted to the same gender.

FueledByFrodo

04/29/10, 02:12 PM

But you do realize a woman wearing a tux IS violation of a dress code, right?

The example i gave, portrays a message, but in a vulgar sense. Now we're just talking about degree.

Unfortunately it is. But that's not why the dress code it there. It shouldn't be there to limit right's of expression to a non-offensive degree.

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 02:12 PM

Where is your opinion!!!?? :-p

I think if you look at this situation and try to rationalize it as anything other than bigotry, then maybe it's time to take a long look at yourself.

I am not looking to get involved in this debate though, the circles you guys are arguing in are too small for any real entertainment value or actual education and thought.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:14 PM

Well isn't thinking that your opinion is fucked up an opinion itself? And I am curious what situations they get out of with the 'I was born this way' statement other than being attracted to the same gender.
Well, this entire subject of which we are arguing! If this was just a straight, teenaged girl, taking a picture in the year book in a tux, it would be dismissed as a prank.

But, since she is gay, more action is being taken. Shit, there could also be a potential lawsuit as a violation of their childs personal rights.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:14 PM

Hey man, people are entitled to their opinions.
You can have your backwards opinion, you are not entitled to express it here.

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 02:16 PM

Well, this entire subject of which we are arguing! If this was just a straight, teenaged girl, taking a picture in the year book in a tux, it would be dismissed as a prank.

But, since she is gay, more action is being taken. Shit, there could also be a potential lawsuit as a violation of their childs personal rights.

You really don't see the connection here? You literally just proved the opposite of what you're trying to express.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:17 PM

You can have your backwards opinion, you are not entitled to express it here.
Yea, ok dude. I know you're the all powerful CEO of AP, just say your going to ban me from this thread. Pretty lame way to end an arguement if you ask me.

fly_guy

04/29/10, 02:17 PM

Its because of the tuxedo, not because she's lesbian.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:18 PM

Yea, ok dude. I know you're the all powerful CEO of AP, just say your going to ban me from this thread. Pretty lame way to end an arguement if you ask me.
I'm not going to ban you from this thread. If you continue down these lines I'll ban you from the website. The way you are talking is not an argument that I care how it ends ... I just care that it ends. This kind of talk is not welcome on our website. Period.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:20 PM

Its because of the tuxedo, not because she's lesbian.
Yeah. A collar and tie ... what will happen next? DANCING IN THE STREETS?! O sweet lord!

Americanism

04/29/10, 02:21 PM

You really don't see the connection here? You literally just proved the opposite of what you're trying to express.

THANK YOU.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:22 PM

I'm not going to ban you from this thread. If you continue down these lines I'll ban you from the website. The way you are talking is not an argument that I I care how it ends ... I just care that it ends. This kind of talk is not welcome on our website. Period.

So, the implication of something is enough to justify banning me?

I've said numerous times, that i do not hate anyone based on their sexual preference. What is the problem then?

No offense, but it seems like members of AP have to be 100% for homosexuals. God forbid anything less than that.

Americanism

04/29/10, 02:23 PM

Yeah. A collar and tie ... what will happen next? DANCING IN THE STREETS?! O sweet lord!

Worse.

ANaNkIrJxeM

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 02:23 PM

So, the implication of something is enough to justify banning me?

I've said numerous times, that i do not hate anyone based on their sexual preference. What is the problem then?

No offense, but it seems like members of AP have to be 100% for homosexuals. God forbid anything less than that.

Actions, or in this case, some of your words, speak louder than the words you're trying to sell us on.

As well, it's not just ap.net that's 100% for the rights of homosexuals, it's decent people EVERYWHERE.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:24 PM

So, the implication of something is enough to justify banning me?

I've said numerous times, that i do not hate anyone based on their sexual preference. What is the problem then?

No offense, but it seems like members of AP have to be 100% for homosexuals. God forbid anything less than that.
I don't need a reason to "justify" banning you. What you are saying is reason enough for me.

Great, that's wonderful you've said that. But if say you love dogs while kicking one - and I'm going to think you're full of shit. That's the problem.

I don't see any reason why someone would not be 100% for an, ambiguous, fellow member of the human race. Better question: Why are you not 100% for human beings?

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:25 PM

Actions, or in this case, some of your words, speak louder than the words you're trying to sell us on.
Im only speaking against the way she is trying to portray she is gay.

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 02:26 PM

Im only speaking against the way she is trying to portray she is gay.

You don't get a say in how someone CHOOSES to express themselves.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:26 PM

I don't need a reason to "justify" banning you. What you are saying is reason enough for me.

Great, that's wonderful you've said that. But if say you love dogs while kicking one - and I'm going to think you're full of shit. That's the problem.

I don't see any reason why someone would not be 100% for an, ambiguous, fellow member of the human race. Better question: Why are you not 100% for human beings?
I just dont agree with certain actions from certain groups or organizations. PETA probably being the biggest, religion next, and yes, some of the gay rights people.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:28 PM

Im only speaking against the way she is trying to portray she is gay.
Wearing a tuxedo is portraying one as gay? Straight girls wear tuxedos.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:29 PM

Wearing a tuxedo is portraying one as gay? Straight girls wear tuxedos.
You really dont think there is any underlaying motives behind what she was doing?

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:29 PM

I just dont agree with certain actions from certain groups or organizations. PETA probably being the biggest, religion next, and yes, some of the gay rights people.
Then go bitch in the Peta thread, the religion thread, or the gay rights thread. None of this has anything to do with a girl wearing a tie and collared shirt in a picture.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:30 PM

You really dont think there is any underlaying motives behind what she was doing?
To wear a formal garment that she likes in a picture? Something seen in practically any fashion magazine. It's not shocking. It's a neck up shot of a fucking bow-tie. No, I don't think there are any "underlaying motives."

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 02:33 PM

To wear a formal garment that she likes in a picture? Something seen in practically any fashion magazine. It's not shocking. It's a neck up shot of a fucking bow-tie. No, I don't think there are any "underlaying motives."

Hang on, hang on, HANG ON!!

You mean homosexuals can take part in actions that aren't directly related to recruiting everyone else to their alternative lifestyle!?
:explode:

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:34 PM

To wear a formal garment that she likes in a picture? Something seen in practically any fashion magazine. It's not shocking. It's a neck up shot of a fucking bow-tie. No, I don't think there are any "underlaying motives."
I agree with you.

A man wearing men's attire, in a fashion magazine is completely appropriate.

There is no sarcasm in that statement.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:34 PM

Hang on, hang on, HANG ON!!

You mean homosexuals can take part in actions that aren't directly related to recruiting everyone else to their alternative lifestyle!?
:explode:
Must really cause shit when straight dudes wear pink polos in their pictures.

Wait. No?

loveisdead

04/29/10, 02:35 PM

I agree with you.

A man wearing men's attire, in a fashion magazine is completely appropriate.

There is no sarcasm in that statement.

Really? I'm very surprised Jason has wasted this much time on you.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:36 PM

I agree with you.

A man wearing men's attire, in a fashion magazine is completely appropriate.

There is no sarcasm in that statement.
Um. Girls brosif. Straight girls.

http://www.thecheapgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/rihanna-met-costume-institute-gala-2009-04.jpg

http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashionshows/S2008CTR/GIVENCHY/RUNWAY/00140m.jpg

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:36 PM

Really? I'm very surprised Jason has wasted this much time on you.
Im really not trying to come off as a complete asshole. I just dont understand how some people cant see what this girl's intentions were.

reckoner

04/29/10, 02:38 PM

Im really not trying to come off as a complete asshole. I just dont understand how some people cant see what this girl's intentions were.

Self expression?

loveisdead

04/29/10, 02:38 PM

Im really not trying to come off as a complete asshole. I just dont understand how some people cant see what this girl's intentions were.
And some people here can't understand why you're taking the side of the school when they're so obviously in the wrong. You said it before. Everyone has opinions.

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:39 PM

Self expression?
I give up.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:39 PM

Im really not trying to come off as a complete asshole. I just dont understand how some people cant see what this girl's intentions were.
Maybe you can tell us what the intentions of a human being you've never met may be ... when they want to have a picture of a bow-tie as their school photo. Please. Who cares what the intentions are. It's a bow-tie.

reckoner

04/29/10, 02:40 PM

I give up.

How do you know her intentions?

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:41 PM

Maybe you can tell us what the intentions of a human being you've never met may be ... when they want to have a picture of a bow-tie as their school photo. Please. Who cares what the intentions are. It's a bow-tie.
That street goes both ways.

reckoner

04/29/10, 02:41 PM

My avatar refers to DrStrong.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:41 PM

How do you know her intentions?
Because she's gay.

That's what I've gotten from this conversation.

Americanism

04/29/10, 02:41 PM

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 02:43 PM

That street goes both ways.
What street? I don't care at all what her intentions are. I'm not making any claim to know, or care, what her intentions are. They could be to convince the entire world to be gay - and I still wouldn't care. It could be an overt communication to murder all puppies and I'd still yawn. It's a tux from the neck up. It's a giant, huge, "WHO FUCKING CARES."

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 02:48 PM

I just dont understand how some people cant see what this girl's intentions were.

Why don't you break down for me exactly what this girl's intentions were?

FueledByFrodo

04/29/10, 02:48 PM

What street? I don't care at all what her intentions are. I'm not making any claim to know, or care, what her intentions are. They could be to convince the entire world to be gay - and I still wouldn't care. It could be an overt communication to murder all puppies and I'd still yawn. It's a tux from the neck up. It's a giant, huge, "WHO FUCKING CARES."

:lol: :lol:

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:54 PM

Why don't you break down for me exactly what this girl's intentions were?
It seems, that she is trying to portray a message that she is homosexual.

reckoner

04/29/10, 02:55 PM

Why don't you break down for me exactly what this girl's intentions were?

SHE WANTS TO SPREAD THE EVIL OF HOMOSEXUALITY!!!!!

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 02:57 PM

It seems, that she is trying to portray a message that she is homosexual.

OK, now why don't you explain to me why that's a bad thing?

DrStrong

04/29/10, 02:58 PM

OK, now why don't you explain to me why that's a bad thing?
read my posts.

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 02:59 PM

read my posts.

I did, and I can't really pin down exactly why her trying to express she is homosexual (if that was her intent) is a bad thing. Could you sum it up for me?

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 03:00 PM

read my posts.
None of which say why it's a bad thing to portray your sexual identity in subvert (or overt) ways.

Americanism

04/29/10, 03:00 PM

Gay people are always trying to do something to shock people.

:-p

paper halo

04/29/10, 03:01 PM

It seems, that she is trying to portray a message that she is homosexual.

HOLY SHIT, NOT THAT!

If it walks like a bigot, and quacks like a bigot....

reckoner

04/29/10, 03:01 PM

^I was just about to quote that...

EDIT: 2 posts up.

caveBEAR

04/29/10, 03:03 PM

Gay people are always trying to do something to shock people.

Assholes are always making sweeping generalizations about things that frighten them. Water is wet, etc.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 03:04 PM

HOLY SHIT, NOT THAT!

If it walks like a bigot, and quacks like a bigot....
It's a duck!!!!!!

DrStrong

04/29/10, 03:05 PM

None of which say why it's a bad thing to portray your sexual identity in subvert (or overt) ways.
Because she is going for the shock value. I dont care how petty you may that wearing a bow-tie will be, but come on now...If someone is to open a year book, go to the (normally) full color, larger picture of the seniors section, and see a female weaing a men's tuxedo, you really think people would over look it without commenting?

Its bad because she's trying VERY hard to stand out, and be different. Even though the main argument homosexuals have is to be considered the same as everyone else. Its contradicting everything that is happening in the homosexual rights movement, however petty this example may be.

paper halo

04/29/10, 03:06 PM

It's a duck!!!!!!

Yup, a common bigotduck. Submerging it's head underwater to avoid the scary, possibly dangerous, and, worst of all: gay winds of progress.

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 03:11 PM

Because she is going for the shock value. I dont care how petty you may that wearing a bow-tie will be, but come on now...If someone is to open a year book, go to the (normally) full color, larger picture of the seniors section, and see a female weaing a men's tuxedo, you really think people would over look it without commenting?

Its bad because she's trying VERY hard to stand out, and be different. Even though the main argument homosexuals have is to be considered the same as everyone else. Its contradicting everything that is happening in the homosexual rights movement, however petty this example may be.
A tux is "shock value"? Oh come the fuck on. You're 26. You have the internet. If you think a tux is "shocking" -- you clearly have not used Google to its proper value. Seriously.

http://nextround.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/portrait10.jpg

That shit is shocking.

The picture is on the article, you can see what it looks like. It's not shocking. It's not in your face. It's a bow-tie and a small collar. And what's this "men's tuxedo" bullshit in the first place? Women can and do wear tuxes. And suits. And pants.

And who cares if someone looks at it and comments? So? If you comment about the douche in the puka shells, it's ok -- but not the tux? What the hell?

Nah, if she wanted to stand out ... there's a billion better ways. If she does want to stand out - WHO CARES! You can dye your hair pink and stand out and no one says shit. You can tattoo yourself and it's no big deal. WHO CARES!!!! The desire to "stand out"? That's what you're so upset over? The desire to be an individual? Oh, please. Be more transparent.

WE ALL WANT TO BE "DIFFERENT."

Wanting to stand out from the pack in NO WAY contradicts the desire for the equality of rights.

Girls wear suits in the office all over the world. If it was a regular suit, are we all good? It's the "tux" that makes it shocking? WOW.

reckoner

04/29/10, 03:13 PM

Jason Tate

04/29/10, 03:20 PM

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. It's not uncommon for lesians to wear a tux. If Ellen Degeneres wore a tux to an award show, she wouldn't get chastised like this.

And what's wrong with being an individual? That's what I'm not getting from your arguments.
http://a11news.com/images/ellen-wedding-plans.jpg
http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/319/1783806378.png

She has worn one before. She looks good in it. It's such a non-shocking image it's not even funny.

Theseventhson

04/29/10, 03:29 PM

Honestly, do i have to wear a shirt that says "I like pussy", to let people know im straight? What about just telling people? Rather than come up with some action that will shock people, and at the same time inform them?

There are better ways to portray a message.

Did it ever occur to you that they dress the way they like? Not to 'shock' people, but because that's what they like, you've got to be one of the dumbest posters I've seen here.

Theseventhson

04/29/10, 03:32 PM