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04/28/10, 09:46 PM
“Bob [Dylan] is not authentic at all. He’s a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I.” — Joni Mitchell, Los Angeles Times, April 22, 2010
Caterwauling Canuck “folk singer” Joni Mitchell got just about everybody riled up with that sweet morsel of self-serving insight, but the real shock is not that Mitchell is absolutely correct but that someone finally came out and said it. After decades of carefully manicured deification by Columbia Records, brain-dead rock critics and the slimy elite institution that elevated such barely able snake-oil salesmen as Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger to celestial heights, it’s high time to flout indoctrination and examine Dylan’s track record as a Grade-A phony.

Most Dylan fans would be stunned to realize that his vocal style (for lack of a better term) was high-jacked, in its entirety, from long-dead bluegrass-country singer Carter Stanley. We’re not talking about an influence, like Lefty Frizzell for Merle Haggard, but a total appropriation of Stanley’s highly idiosyncratic approach. A counterfeit from the get-go, once Dylan realized what an advantage his audience’s innate ignorance was, he’s exploited it ever since.
Just type “Bob Dylan plagiarism” into your friendly search engine, and a plethora of questionable circumstances pop up, enrobing the singer almost as completely as his years of reflexive media fawning have. Documented from his teenage start, when he submitted a hand written, thinly revised version of country star Hank Snow’s “Little Buddy” for publication as an original poem, to his 1963 pilferage of Irish poet Dominic Behan’s “Patriot Game”’s melody for the similarly slanted Dylan tune “With God on Our Side” to songwriter James Damiano’s ongoing multimillion dollar copyright infringement suit (alleging Dylan’s Grammy-nominated “Dignity” is nothing but an altered version of Damiano’s “Steel Guitars”) to the naked “Red Sails in the Sunset” melody heist for the song “Beyond The Horizon” on his Modern Times album, up through the recent Confessions of a Yakuza-Love & Theft plagiarism charges (Love & Theft? Calling Dr. Freud!), the Timrod controversy, even the numerous passages of Proust and Jack London that (re) appear in the text of Dylan’s autobiography, it’s a deep, dark thicket of thoroughly damning and apparently chronic bootlegging. Naturally, Dylan has said nothing publicly about any of these, but he already spent over three million dollars defending himself against one-time affiliate Damiano–the classic delay-to-destroy court room technique.
Defenders and apologist have an extraordinary array of excuses on Zim’s behalf, from use of “literary allusion” to his building a “cultural collage,” or that his “borrowing” is “homage,” to the more deliciously desperate “he obviously doesn’t NEED to do it” (strangely, though, he always has). This instamatic, Clinton-ian excuse making serves only to further polish up the shine on Dylan’s teflon hubris and to underscore the blind, Pavlovian worship which he has long enjoyed. Let’s face it: as a lyricist, Dylan is crap, inarguably unworthy beside, say, Hank Cochran, Chuck Berry, Mickey Newbury or Jimi Hendrix (”All Along the Watchtower” plays as a lead balloon even for Hendrix, nearly deflating his Electric Ladyland masterpiece).
While we’re endlessly told that “The pump don’t work / cause the vandals took the handle” is vintage Dylan worthy of class room study, in truth it’s little more than the wordy spew of a peripatetic rhyming dictionary who’ll hang any phrase together as long as it fits. Metaphor is convenience, not expression for Dylan. His songs have also treated women quite badly: the entire attitude of “It Ain‘t Me, Babe“ is ugly; “Just Like a Woman” is nothing short of misogynistic, but, worst of all, Dylan’s sheer verbosity has ineradicably stained American pop music, and we’ve all had to suffer through the post-Dylan legacy of long-winded nonsense (“American Pie,” anyone?).

The real tragedy is that none of these very well-documented and nigh irrefutable plagiarism charges will ever emerge from the shadows, as the Cult of Zimmerman’s hulking form casts a very, very long one. Even when the Hank Snow rip-off stared the world in its face, the strongest reaction was a nervous giggle and murmurs of youthful indiscretion. To capitulate the carefully constructed myth of folk music and Dylan’s subsequent installation as rock & roll’s poet laureate is unthinkable, a hot, hit-the-panic-button nightmare for generations of quiescent “hipsters“ never weaned from the million-selling Dylan teat. His socio-cultural mystique is also an industry-manufactured sham, one that very handily diverted attention away from genuine political stink-stirrers like the MC5 or the lysergic guerilla warfare of the 13th Floor Elevators.
As a junta-backed counter-culture figurehead, Dylan is ideal: a harmless, unoriginal patsy, a cute insouciant whose relentlessly self-involved stance never threatened anyone, save for the hazard of the droning lip service endlessly paid him. We should all praise Joni Mitchell for this overdue call-out (just don‘t ask us to listen to her records), but it’s unlikely that any in the Zim Cult will even consider the ramifications of her statement. But when you pile it up with all the rest, there’s a single conclusion to be made: Bob Dylan is an artistic (and ethical) fraud, one whose own fear of creativity has long since given way to an apparently lifelong practice of emulating his superiors by vampirism, siphoning off their intellectual blood and using it to top off his own under-baked efforts. Weirdly, even then, the results have been scarcely palatable.




http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jwhiteside/2010/04/28/folk-lies-joni-mitchell-outs-bob-dylan/


thoughts?

El_Jeffe
04/28/10, 10:05 PM
The forced faux "wit" some of these internet writers attempt to push out is obnoxiously annoying to read through. But other than that, I know some people (here or otherwise) that say Dylan borrowed a lot from those who came before him, which is perhaps a fair statement. It's obvious the writer has some sort of personal vendetta against Bob & his music. There's no writing off his entire career as fake, or Bob as an artist as phony. Well, I don't think so anyway.

HometownHero
04/28/10, 10:18 PM
lol. THat is all

Star Slight
04/29/10, 12:21 AM
"Let’s face it: as a lyricist, Dylan is crap"
/credibility of article
EDIT:
Is this the Carter Stanley that the article refers to?
fpwtjfO3gjo

Kman223
04/29/10, 12:27 AM
He failed to mention that "borrowing" is the foundation of Folk music. That stands for melodies and for lyrics. Anyone who tries to downplay what Dylan has done over his musical career is a moron.

KingsCrossing
04/29/10, 12:33 AM
The forced faux "wit" some of these internet writers attempt to push out is obnoxiously annoying to read through. But other than that, I know some people (here or otherwise) they say Dylan borrowed a lot from those who came before him, which is perhaps a fair statement. It's obvious the writer has some sort of personal vendetta against Bob & his music. There's no writing off his entire career as fake, or Bob as an artist as phony. Well, I don't think so anyway.

Pretty much sums it up.

theguy77
04/29/10, 02:06 AM
this is worse than Spin magazine's terrible justification for saying radiohead sucks.

El_Jeffe
04/29/10, 04:06 AM
this is worse than Spin magazine's terrible justification for saying radiohead sucks.

I don't really read any publications, but I thought I would of heard of this one, must have missed it haha. I drew the last straw with Rolling Stone in June 2007, when they said "was anyone really waiting for a Split Enz boxset?". Haven't read an article of theirs since...

Chromefox
04/29/10, 04:09 AM
Everybody nicked ideas from those who came before them.

matchbox202006
04/29/10, 04:09 AM
Joni Mitchell?! :-( why?!

SLoT
04/29/10, 04:33 AM
His name is fake? Really? This is funny coming from someone who's real name is Roberta Joan Anderson. Yes, I realize she was married later, but still I'm getting a little "pot calling the kettle" here. Not to mention I don't respect opinions of those who give their children up for adoption to have a career in the music industry. I'm not even a big Dylan fan, but shit like this pisses me off. How old are you? Why do you care about Bob Dylan? You couldn't have said this shit 30 years ago?

theguy77
04/29/10, 04:41 AM
I don't really read any publications, but I thought I would of heard of this one, must have missed it haha. I drew the last straw with Rolling Stone in June 2007, when they said "was anyone really waiting for a Split Enz boxset?". Haven't read an article of theirs since...

yeah i hated spin long before that article. i think they're the worst major publication and don't understand why anyone takes them seriously ever. they don't know jack shit about music.

zachff
04/29/10, 05:45 AM
Wow, that was harder to read than half the posts in PL.

SwedishHeat
04/29/10, 07:35 AM
The other thing to keep in mind is that the articles is from a site that takes every opportunity to take potshots at anything that's remotely liberal.

Considering Dylan's reputation as one for championing social changes, it's not surprising to see a hit job article on him

evvandflow
04/29/10, 07:45 AM
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Viva Sonata
04/29/10, 08:05 AM
Wow, that was harder to read than half the posts in PL.

this.

I have to go surgically remove my face from the palm of my hand now after reading that.

apresnuledeluge
04/29/10, 08:39 AM
Never really been a big Dylan fan. That said, this article is far too biased to take seriously. Sounds like every other blogger today --desperately trying to force their angst-ridden "wit" and thesaurus down the readers' throat.

kearn1tm
04/29/10, 08:53 AM
I always suspected he was gay. You don't out people, Joni!

briewer
04/29/10, 10:51 AM
I always suspected he was gay. You don't out people, Joni!
I thought that's what they meant, too. Far less interesting than I was hoping.

CarouselBoy
04/29/10, 06:37 PM
well that was interesting. Never heard anyone call out dylan like that before. I'm not a big fan and his heyday is over so i'm not really one to care too much, but that was pretty interesting, true or not.

x togepi x
04/29/10, 06:46 PM
dude had like four good albums and a lot of terrible terrible music.

he co-opted protest music and made it bland and ineffectual, so yeah, he needs to be called out and he needs to be called out often.

screamoutmyname
04/29/10, 07:47 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah oh boy

Jamos4184
04/29/10, 09:10 PM
I can't stand Joni Mitchell. Her voice makes me want to light my hair on fire.

EchoPark
04/30/10, 12:03 AM
I have never cared for Bob Dylan at all but this an incredibly immature and unprofessional thing to do.

zion the lion
04/30/10, 01:52 AM
All day "It Aint Me Babe" has been playing in my head, then I see this and I see the mention of that song in here...out of all the songs they could have mentioned, it had to be that one.

sammyboy516
04/30/10, 06:35 AM
"Let’s face it: as a lyricist, Dylan is crap"
/credibility of article
From Wikipedia:


The Pulitzer Prize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulitzer_Prize) jury in 2008 awarded him a special citation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulitzer_Prize_Special_Citations_an d_Awards) for what they called his profound impact on popular music and American culture, "marked by lyrical compositions of extraordinary poetic power."

Star Slight
04/30/10, 06:37 AM
From Wikipedia:


The Pulitzer Prize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulitzer_Prize) jury in 2008 awarded him a special citation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulitzer_Prize_Special_Citations_an d_Awards) for what they called his profound impact on popular music and American culture, "marked by lyrical compositions of extraordinary poetic power."

exactly

ZzyzxScarecrow
04/30/10, 11:29 AM
i don't care if bob dylan borrowed a lot of his style from other people. he's still an icon, and for all the reason in the world.

Matt Chylak
05/02/10, 08:33 PM
dude had like four good albums and a lot of terrible terrible music.

he co-opted protest music and made it bland and ineffectual, so yeah, he needs to be called out and he needs to be called out often.

unfair. he had at least eight good albums and a lot of great songs on mediocre albums. if you write music for 40 years, some of it's going to be crap.

when was protest music "effectual"?

aerofan11
05/02/10, 09:09 PM
I like both of their music, but I like Dylan much more. I'm going to guess that she's either jealous of the fame he's had, or she just wanted attention, so she called a well loved icon "a fake".

x togepi x
05/02/10, 10:14 PM
unfair. he had at least eight good albums and a lot of great songs on mediocre albums. if you write music for 40 years, some of it's going to be crap.

Here's the thing. I don't necessarily disagree (i think he has four good albums and four decent ones). I just feel like that if you're going to be considered one of the greatest artists of all time, then you need much more consistent output. i don't expect every musician to put out an amazing release every time but if people are going to worship you, then you better be consistent.

when was protest music "effectual"?

I would argue that people like Harry Belafonte, Mahalia Jackson, Duke Ellington and other jazz/swing/gospel artists where insanely successful in gaining support, both publicly and financially, for the burgeoning civil rights movement under Martin Luther King Jr. That's a lot more amazing than Bob Dylan's vaguely political songs.

Matt Chylak
05/02/10, 10:37 PM
Here's the thing. I don't necessarily disagree (i think he has four good albums and four decent ones). I just feel like that if you're going to be considered one of the greatest artists of all time, then you need much more consistent output. i don't expect every musician to put out an amazing release every time but if people are going to worship you, then you better be consistent.

I would argue that people like Harry Belafonte, Mahalia Jackson, Duke Ellington and other jazz/swing/gospel artists where insanely successful in gaining support, both publicly and financially, for the burgeoning civil rights movement under Martin Luther King Jr. That's a lot more amazing than Bob Dylan's vaguely political songs.

I don't really like to rank musicians above others (except for brand new, obviously), so I don't know what to say about the whole "greatest artist of all time list" thing, but at the end of the day, he put out hours of great music. He might not have been pushing

There are two main reasons why Bob's music has maintained so much of an impact over the years (aside from the obvious genius of some of his hits):

1) the strength of his alternate tracks. digging through the bootlegs of his work is just as rewarding as listening to less publicized albums like nashville skyline or oh mercy. i have 9 different versions of "it's all over now, baby blue" in different tempos, keys, and overall arrangements, and they all sound amazing in their own way. part of that's due to the strength of the individual song, but it also says a lot about Dylan's artistic leniency.

2) his public mystique. i'm sure if he thought about it, the man would admit it himself: he created a cult of personality by speaking in metaphor for 30-odd years. from lying about where he was born to making up "tall tales" from the road to nonsensical interviews and songs called "quinn the eskimo", he's a giant mystery that many of his fans want to "figure out." you could almost make lady gaga comparisons (though they wouldn't be very apt) - at a certain level, the man is more important than the music

i can't say much about the protest thing--i haven't looked into it quite enough--but it seems to me that the protest music you're talking about was in a very different time frame from dylan (jazz era vs the 60s). they may have been vague, but people could get behind 'blowin in the wind', 'a hard rain's gonna fall', 'talkin world war three blues', and my personal favorite 'it's alright, ma (i'm only bleedin)'

kearn1tm
05/03/10, 06:38 AM
I would argue that people like Harry Belafonte, Mahalia Jackson, Duke Ellington and other jazz/swing/gospel artists where insanely successful in gaining support, both publicly and financially, for the burgeoning civil rights movement under Martin Luther King Jr. That's a lot more amazing than Bob Dylan's vaguely political songs.

To add to what Topegi's got going here, early Blues was incredibly defiant in its attempts to preserve a set of knowledge and norms in the face of white assimilation. New Orleans culture especially was rich in depression-era America with cats like Robert Johnson and Mississippi Fred McDowell singing of Hoodoo religious practices that were perceived and conveyed in media and white conversation as satanic practices and savagery, among other facets of post-Civil War inequity. They did this by recording on cheap 45s and having mainly African American producers (guys who served in subservient roles to radio impresarios at one time, learning the trade by proxy) market and distribute them.

http://www.thebluehighway.com/crsrds1.html

I love Dylan, I truly do, but he co-opted so much message and meaning from Black Bluesmen and nomadic folk singers and unknowlingly (I assume) assimilated it himself, becoming the great white voice of dissent. He took the voice and the sound and the aesthetic from artistically pure and sincere and candid forms of expression and marketed it as his own. This is fine if what he took wasn't something as culturally significant and indigenous to a certain people rallying against subjugation and cultural conformity. Dylan, in effect, took that sound and the knowledge and experience behind it, and made it Top 40 radio and, later, Classic Rock protest songs that people would buy and sing and not even realize what it was they were supposed to be protesting. That dilutes a cultural identity tied to early Blues.

Gospel music was also much, much more effective in maintaining that amalgam of African tradition and Christian beliefs that became such an integral part of many post-slave southern African Americans.

So yeah, again, I love me some Dylan. Blonde on Blonde is among my favorite albums of all time. I'm not trying to discredit what he's done or claim he's a shitty conman, but the article, though inflammatory and smarmy, has some very valid points.