Running this rap shit?

[Manbotisdead]

Who is?

[mikeford]

according to jay-z, it was memph bleek...

nahhhhhhhhhhh


right now its 50... sorry. hate to break it to everyone, but it is. i dont really like him that much but he's the biggest thing in rap right now.

[Blake Solomon]

according to jay-z, it was memph bleek...

nahhhhhhhhhhh


right now its 50... sorry. hate to break it to everyone, but it is. i dont really like him that much but he's the biggest thing in rap right now.



Could not disagree more, its got to be Kanye at this point.

[ActorInThisPlay]

hate to say it but I think Lil Jon is up there...

[xglassjawx]

Could not disagree more, its got to be Kanye at this point.

I was about to agree with mikeford then (shockingly enough) but yeah Kanye is up there as well. He pwns.

[SkaBum14]

Clearly nobody learned anything from that other thread. "England runs the road."

I wouldn't even know right now. I never listen to the radio and I don't really watch tv anymore, so I'm kind of out of touch with who's getting the most airtime/video play.

[Gilsteryo!]

Kanye, btw Hip hop is dying so yeah.:(

[xglassjawx]

Kanye, btw Hip hop is dying so yeah.:(

Haha, irony?

[Fullcollapse3k]

Kanye, btw Hip hop is dying so yeah.:(

Hip-Hop Is Dead.

Nas! Wooooooo!

[mikeford]

if you think hip hop is dying, you dont pay close enough attention.

its 50.

its not kanye cuz kanyes label doesnt have people going plat beside him. not yet anyway. right now its 50. if you think differently, youre wrong.

[xglassjawx]

Kanye West's label is Good Music isn't it? Who is on it again?

[mikeford]

John Legend
Common
Consequence
GLC (aka. Gangsta L. Crisis)
Fonzworth Bentley
Sa-Ra
Keyshia Cole

[HplessRomntic]

John Legend
Common
Consequence
GLC (aka. Gangsta L. Crisis)
Fonzworth Bentley
Sa-Ra
Keyshia Cole



hahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha ::sigh::
even commons stuff is goin down hill. hiphop is dying 50 is just wack!!!
so is the game, lil john raps? kanye? yea hes a good producer his music is ok
but i dont consider him hiphop for some reason. its like a whole new genre of
hiphop a sub genre. such as crunk or watever. i havent heard anything new
from nas im hoping his new cd wont be a big dissapointment

[mikeford]

wow

i guess you missed the month they taught punctuation in school eh?

[Manbotisdead]

Ford, do you like the new Roots album?

[xglassjawx]

I personally don't like it a ton. A few of the songs are pretty nice though ie Can't Stop This, Don't Feel Right, Game Theory. Most of it bores me to death though.

[Zeran]

Could not disagree more, its got to be Kanye at this point.

i agree. it used to be 50 but no longer.

[mikeford]

how is it kanye?

i just put the list of the people on his label.

other than common (who still doesnt sell that well), theyre absolute NOBODIES

you aint runnin shit unless you and your men are sellin records.

[mikeford]

Ford, do you like the new Roots album?

honestly i never really liked the roots, so i havent even listened to it. ill get around to it someday.

[Shoes]

hate to say it but I think Lil Jon is up there...
Yeah, I agree with you on this one. He's an industry on his own.

[catchmealone]

quasi-homosexuals

[ActorInThisPlay]

I would say Lil Jon over 50 Cent.

[invincibleXL]

50 still is constantly leaking tracks almost everyday. Now there's that 50/Diddy beef over Mase. Lloyd Banks is about to drop, 50 mixtapes have been circulating, and Ludacris' album has a pretty nice buzz.

[Zeran]

I would say Lil Jon over 50 Cent.

mmm i don't think so

[HplessRomntic]

sad to see that this is what people think hiphop is now a days :/

[catchmealone]

sad to see that this is what people think hiphop is now a days :/
I wasn't gonna say anything, it's whatever. 50 Cent and Lil John and Luda, none of that is hip hop to me. But the title of the thread is "Running this RAP shit?"
so I didn't see a reason to split hairs.

[mikeford]

hip hop is a lifestyle and culture... rap is the music of said culture. please do not act like hip hop and rap are different things. because that makes you stupid.

[catchmealone]

call me stupid, I honestly don't give a fuck, to me, there is a difference between hip hop and rap. it may not be the "correct" assumption, and I know that. But when I think of "rap" music, I think of lyrics about blunts, crunk, murder, etc...., and when I think hip hop, the lyrical content usually has more substance.

[gilatron5000]

at the moment, I'd actually say Diddy.

In the last few months, he's dropped Yung Joc, Cassie, and now Danity Kane? Remember kiddies, R&B is hip-hop too. And no one expected Danity Kane to do as well as they are.

but seeing as how he runs Def Jam, I'd also say Jigga.

[HplessRomntic]

at the moment, I'd actually say Diddy.

In the last few months, he's dropped Yung Joc, Cassie, and now Danity Kane? Remember kiddies, R&B is hip-hop too. And no one expected Danity Kane to do as well as they are.

but seeing as how he runs Def Jam, I'd also say Jigga.


r&b is a totally different genre from hiphop
so are you gona tell me that keith sweat, luther vandross, brian mcknight are hiphop? cause there not
danity kane is wack there only famous because of mtv and puff daddy. if you ask me they didnt work for there fame they got it the easy way.
as i stated before hiphop is starting to have different sub genres aka crunk, screw, etc..

call me closed minded :which im not: but the music is changing and it is losing its roots. the
only people keeping it original are the underground cats that are still doin it for the love of music.

[HplessRomntic]

as for jigga? you mean jay-z? dont even get me started on that biter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8

maybe that should change your whole outlook on him. unless you like fake people
that steal lyrics from other mc's in order to get recognized.

[catchmealone]

as for jigga? you mean jay-z? dont even get me started on that biter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8

maybe that should change your whole outlook on him. unless you like fake people
that steal lyrics from other mc's in order to get recognized.
haha, I'm with you. I already posted that video.
I used to think Jay Z was a top emcee until I saw that. Changed my outlook on him forever.

[mikeford]

i say a big verse i'm only biggin up my brother... biggin up my borough.

[catchmealone]

i say a big verse i'm only biggin up my brother... biggin up my borough.
yea, you said that in another topic that I posted the link to the Jay Z diss, but I don't recognize it. what is that?

[gilatron5000]

r&b is a totally different genre from hiphop
so are you gona tell me that keith sweat, luther vandross, brian mcknight are hiphop? cause there not
danity kane is wack there only famous because of mtv and puff daddy. if you ask me they didnt work for there fame they got it the easy way.
as i stated before hiphop is starting to have different sub genres aka crunk, screw, etc..

call me closed minded :which im not: but the music is changing and it is losing its roots. the
only people keeping it original are the underground cats that are still doin it for the love of music.no, the ones mentioned are not hip-hop(they're soul), but are you going to tell me Mary J. Blige, Chris Brown, Cassie, Keyshia Cole, Toni Braxton, and Beyonce aren't? They're Hip-Hop R&B. Yes, there IS such a genre. They use hip-hop beats, but instead of rapping, they sing.

And whether you liek them or not, Danity Kane sells like CRAZY. I happen to work at an "urban" record store, and we sold out at least 3 times. Maybe four. And OF COURSE they're doing so well because of MTV and Diddy. That was my whole effing point.

As for Jigga? Jay-Z is the president of Def Jam, the largest hip-hop label in the world. That's not running hip-hop? Okay, if you're on the Bizarro World.

As for 50, he was running a lot of it, but Yayo and Mobb Deep tanked, and there doesn't seem to be much buzz for Lloyd Banks.

[ghostyouare]

no, the ones mentioned are not hip-hop(they're soul), but are you going to tell me Mary J. Blige, Chris Brown, Cassie, Keyshia Cole, Toni Braxton, and Beyonce aren't? They're Hip-Hop R&B. Yes, there IS such a genre. They use hip-hop beats, but instead of rapping, they sing.

And whether you liek them or not, Danity Kane sells like CRAZY. I happen to work at an "urban" record store, and we sold out at least 3 times. Maybe four. And OF COURSE they're doing so well because of MTV and Diddy. That was my whole effing point.

As for Jigga? Jay-Z is the president of Def Jam, the largest hip-hop label in the world. That's not running hip-hop? Okay, if you're on the Bizarro World.

As for 50, he was running a lot of it, but Yayo and Mobb Deep tanked, and there doesn't seem to be much buzz for Lloyd Banks.
Beyonce is hiphop? Are you just saying that because she's black? Shit son, timbaland doesn't make you hiphop, it makes you gay, and pop.

Mobb deep is past their prime, same goes for everyone else you listed. Llyod banks is just game though.

[mikeford]

theres a lot of buzz for banks in NYC, for the record. he's movin a lot of mixtapes (money in the bank 4). something to be said for that. we'll see how he does chartwise but i think he'll at least do a mil.


as for the kid who didnt recognize the jay-z lyric i posted in 2 different threads... if you dont know anything about the rapper in question, you should probably keep your mouth shut regarding him and allegations of "biting"

and beyonce is a blend of hip hop and rnb, basically. following in the mold of mary j blige... singing over rap beats... now that i just read other dudes post, he already beat me to that point. haha oh well. at least someone else here knows what theyre talking about.

[catchmealone]

as for the kid who didnt recognize the jay-z lyric i posted in 2 different threads... if you dont know anything about the rapper in question, you should probably keep your mouth shut regarding him and allegations of "biting"


Jay Z has how much material? And you expect me to know every line? Pardon me for not recognizing that.

[HplessRomntic]

its one thing to bite 2 or 3 widely known lyrics from well known mc's but when you go and steal enough for someone to make a 7 min track of how much you bit then thats just ridiculous

and if you use his phrase of "makeing it better" or how ever he stated it then thats just lame too, your saying its okay to bite the same exact lyrics but just add a different beat to it and throw your name in there? how retarded thats just as stupid as them screw guys stealing beats slowing them down and calling them there own


love jay-z all you want i aint gona hate
i just feel sorry for you!
and sorry for what you think hiphop is

beyonce isnt hiphop!
neither is all those other fakes that you posted

[SkaBum14]

I just heard "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" at Taco Bell over lunch. Clearly Big Will is still running the game.

[mikeford]

its one thing to bite 2 or 3 widely known lyrics from well known mc's but when you go and steal enough for someone to make a 7 min track of how much you bit then thats just ridiculous

and if you use his phrase of "makeing it better" or how ever he stated it then thats just lame too, your saying its okay to bite the same exact lyrics but just add a different beat to it and throw your name in there? how retarded thats just as stupid as them screw guys stealing beats slowing them down and calling them there own


love jay-z all you want i aint gona hate
i just feel sorry for you!
and sorry for what you think hiphop is

beyonce isnt hiphop!
neither is all those other fakes that you posted


dude its not STEALING the line. its not like he tried to pawn it off as his own you douche. he's obviously paying homage to those artists. you dont know shit about rap, just knock it off.

[Manbotisdead]

its one thing to bite 2 or 3 widely known lyrics from well known mc's but when you go and steal enough for someone to make a 7 min track of how much you bit then thats just ridiculous

and if you use his phrase of "makeing it better" or how ever he stated it then thats just lame too, your saying its okay to bite the same exact lyrics but just add a different beat to it and throw your name in there? how retarded thats just as stupid as them screw guys stealing beats slowing them down and calling them there own


love jay-z all you want i aint gona hate
i just feel sorry for you!
and sorry for what you think hiphop is

beyonce isnt hiphop!
neither is all those other fakes that you posted

Neither are?

[gilatron5000]

its one thing to bite 2 or 3 widely known lyrics from well known mc's but when you go and steal enough for someone to make a 7 min track of how much you bit then thats just ridiculous

and if you use his phrase of "makeing it better" or how ever he stated it then thats just lame too, your saying its okay to bite the same exact lyrics but just add a different beat to it and throw your name in there? how retarded thats just as stupid as them screw guys stealing beats slowing them down and calling them there own


love jay-z all you want i aint gona hate
i just feel sorry for you!
and sorry for what you think hiphop is

beyonce isnt hiphop!
neither is all those other fakes that you postedSo I guess her collabos with Jay-Z, Lil Wayne, T.I., Slim Thug, Bun B, Sean Paul, etc, are also "not hip-hop".

you really have no idea what you're talking about. Hip-hop is a lifestyle. a culture. It's also the heart of the music. The way the beat hits, the melody, the harmonies, Etc. Rap/R&B are just the lyrics. There is Soul/R&B, and Hip-Hop/R&B. Much like there is Rock/Rap and Hip-Hop/Rap. Beyonce's songs have a hip-hop flavor to them, while someone like Anthony Hamilton or Leela James...well..don't.

And I don't really care about Jay-Z lyrically, or at least, it wasn't part of my argument. He runs the biggest label in hip-hop, so he runs hip-hop. Diddy is also running one of the hottest labels in hip-hop music, which is why I think 50 is getting at him.

How can he thank Diddy for helping get Ma$e over to G-Unit a year ago to that diss? 50 knows who's on top, and he wants to stay relevant. It's simple business. It's the same reason he recorded "How To Rob" all those years ago.


Kid, I hate to get all snooty, but I happen to work full-time in a record store(for almsot two years, no less) thats demographic is hip-hop and latin. a third of my week revolves around this stuff. Please don't try me. I bet you're one of those who thinks you know what you're talking about because you listen to Mos Def.

[mikeford]

annnnnnd curtain.

[HplessRomntic]

actually i aint a big fan of mos def there ok but nothing special. those two genres sale because its all over mtv. its whats in demand right now. and i "think" i know what im talking about because i grew up around hiphop. i know more than you think and i dont have to work at a record store to know this.


a biters a biter i dont care what you say. where im from those kinda people get looked down upon. and no im not trying to sound tuff im just saying i guess its just where i come from.

love what you love. im not hateing im just stating my opinion.

[gilatron5000]

love what you love. im not hateing im just stating my opinion.calling someone a fake, and someone else a biter isn't "hateing"?

Jeez, I'd hate to see what it's like to hate in Houston.

[mikeford]

if backpeddling was an olympic sport this dude wins the gold.

[ghostyouare]

So I guess her collabos with Jay-Z, Lil Wayne, T.I., Slim Thug, Bun B, Sean Paul, etc, are also "not hip-hop".
How can you compare those people to beyonce? Beyonce sings, she doesn't have a flow. I don't get how the fuck you can group all these people together with her. Is it because she's black?

you really have no idea what you're talking about. Hip-hop is a lifestyle. a culture. It's also the heart of the music. The way the beat hits, the melody, the harmonies, Etc. Rap/R&B are just the lyrics. There is Soul/R&B, and Hip-Hop/R&B. Much like there is Rock/Rap and Hip-Hop/Rap. Beyonce's songs have a hip-hop flavor to them, while someone like Anthony Hamilton or Leela James...well..don't.
Who said that quote again? Does it really matter? Hip-hop is sure as hell a lifestyle but when it's used in terms of music, it's not a singing girl talking about being a soulsurvivor or being crazy in love.
Also, if we are going by the lifestyle then fuck that. Beyonce was always well off, what does she know about the streets? She never came from the hood.

And I don't really care about Jay-Z lyrically, or at least, it wasn't part of my argument. He runs the biggest label in hip-hop, so he runs hip-hop. Diddy is also running one of the hottest labels in hip-hop music, which is why I think 50 is getting at him. If that's the criteria for "running the shit" russel simmons is much more credible than fucking gay-z.

Kid, I hate to get all snooty, but I happen to work full-time in a record store(for almsot two years, no less) thats demographic is hip-hop and latin. a third of my week revolves around this stuff. Please don't try me. I bet you're one of those who thinks you know what you're talking about because you listen to Mos Def
Oh fuck off. The demographic changes in location dumb ass.

[Manbotisdead]

Russell Simmons had Def Jam, now L.A. Reid does, but Jay-Z has a big part in it.

[mikeford]

jay-z recently put out/promotoed jeezy and rick ross and whether you like them or not, they blew up. its either 50 or hova. every other answer is wrong.

if you dont like jay-z, youre a fucking idiot.

[HplessRomntic]

i meant to say in not hateing on your taste in music.
and calling jay-z a biter isnt hateing its stating the truth.

and im not orginialy from houston i just moved here
about a year ago from LA

[Fullcollapse3k]

Hahahahaha @ Mos Def being referred to as "there"

I have nothing really constructive to add to this, seeing as I don't care it's 50, Kanye, or someone else who's ruling hip-hop, I just had to comment on that because it made me laugh.

[mikeford]

i meant to say in not hateing on your taste in music.
and calling jay-z a biter isnt hateing its stating the truth.

and im not orginialy from houston i just moved here
about a year ago from LA

its HATING

and youre a fucking herb. shut your mouth.

[ghostyouare]

jay-z recently put out/promotoed jeezy and rick ross and whether you like them or not, they blew up. its either 50 or hova. every other answer is wrong.

if you dont like jay-z, youre a fucking idiot.
Jay-z is a ****** for not promoting the roots.

[HplessRomntic]

call it what you will. but in the real world its called truth.
that is unless you got a hearing problem or a slow mind
and cant put two and two together after listening to that track

i just laugh at how you guys get so easily offended by ones opinion! ;)

[gilatron5000]

How can you compare those people to beyonce? Beyonce sings, she doesn't have a flow. I don't get how the fuck you can group all these people together with her. Is it because she's black?*sigh* did I COMPARE her to them? No. I said she collaborated with them. Much like R&B singers like Mary J. Blige(for example, the Touch It remix) Akon(uh....pretty much any single of his), Chris Brown(Run it! with Juelz Santana or Gimme That Feat. Lil Wayne), Brandy(Top of The World with Mase), etc. Etc.

And no it's not because she's black. WHY do you keep bringing up the race card?


Who said that quote again? Does it really matter? Hip-hop is sure as hell a lifestyle but when it's used in terms of music, it's not a singing girl talking about being a soulsurvivor or being crazy in love.
Also, if we are going by the lifestyle then fuck that. Beyonce was always well off, what does she know about the streets? She never came from the hood.Only those in "the streets" can only be about hip-hop? Kanye West grew up in a middle class family too. But, according to at least 3 people, he's "running hip-hop". T-Pain is a former rapper, who became an R&B singer. He grew up in the streets, does that mean he's still hip-hop? Or not?

What does flow have to do with anything? If flow had anything to do with hip-hop, half of the shitty ass rappers out there wouldn't be hip-hop.

Hip-Hop fucking started as music without vocals. The DJs were the original hip-hoppers. Rappers were added to hip-hop music later on. And even today, the focus is on the beats. As I've said, hip-hop is the style of music, rap is lyricism. So is R&B.

If that's the criteria for "running the shit" russel simmons is much more credible than fucking gay-z. Does Russell Simmons do ANYTHING culturally relevant anymore besides appear on Run's House occasionally? Um...does Russell Simmons have the biggest sellers in hip-hop on his label? NO. He sold Def Jam to Island Records almost ten years ago. Can you name ONE hip-hop artist on Russell Simmons Music Group?

Oh fuck off. The demographic changes in location dumb ass.and? Oh yeah, that was my point. The demo I deal with is hip-hop. That's right. Huh.

I seriously do NOT GET why you people want to shove hip-hop in this little box and not let it be anything else. Music grows over time. It evolves, it's changes. It evolved to include R&B in the mid 80's to early 90's. Get over it.

[mikeford]

Jay-z is a ****** for not promoting the roots.

the roots hate white people. they are not very marketable. deal with it.

[Manbotisdead]

the roots hate white people. they are not very marketable. deal with it.

When 80 percent of your demographic is white, I'm sure you tend not to hate them as much as one would think.

[gilatron5000]

I don't think they hate white people(?uestlove DID collaborate with Fiona Apple), I think they hate the racism in the (predominantly) white government.

[mikeford]

im sayin, their earliest albums were on some dead prez shit so they are not very marketable to mainstream white culture.

[Manbotisdead]

im sayin, their earliest albums were on some dead prez shit so they are not very marketable to mainstream white culture.

Which ones are we talking about?