Madison's Official Statement

[Jon Foucart]

Madison (http://www.myspace.com/madisonnj) has posted the reason as to why they're calling it quits.
After September 1st 2006, we have played our last show as Madison in South Hackensack, NJ. In order to dispel any rumors and make the reasons clear as to why we decided to break up, events of the last year have to be explained.
We would have never guessed that when we signed to Rushmore Records last year, it would have leaded us to our ultimate end. We had known Richard and Stefanie for years and considered them sincere friends so naturally we assumed that working together with them would have worked out perfectly. Starting last September, we took a couple month break to write and demo songs that we were really proud of and would have compiled really well to create what was to become our debut LP.
When we first submitted these songs in early 2006, it took over a month before they were even given a listen by Rushmore. Every time we asked if our demos had been listened to we were blown off instantly, often times in an extremely rude and vulgar manner. It didnt make any sense why our band was offered to sign a recording contract when it seemed as if there was no interest in sending us to the studio to record a record. We werent even given criticism of our songs. We essentially felt that we were last priority on a second priority label.
When a band is in a position where they have no record to tour on, the point of touring is then lost. We were playing songs to kids who had never heard them before and had no way of listening to them afterwards which made building up our fanbase very difficult. It was an extremely difficult decision, but we felt it was necessary for us to request to be released from our contracts and part ways in order to move forward with the band.
Upon that request, we were told that we could easily terminate our contracts in the following weeks. With that being said, we decided that it would have been in our best interest to move away from Rushmore Records.
Our request to be released from Rushmore Records had started on March 26th, 2006. As we were originally told it would only be a matter of weeks before our release was prepared, we spent months awaiting its arrival. Each week, when Rushmore was contacted about the status of the paperwork, we were promised they would be ready next week. This is what we were told every time we asked about the status of our termination agreement since the end of March until the present day.
We originally started this band, because music was something that we all felt passionate about. We loved to do anything it took to spread our music to anyone that was willing to listen to it. Day after day, week after week, getting this band to be a productive entity became a chore, and the one thing that we all collectively loved, became something we despised. Every thing that we felt passionate about was practically stripped from us. After all was said and done, continuing this band was didnt seem possible and it was a terribly hard decision but we felt it was best to just give it up. The Suicide Files song, Things Fall Apart describes the feeling that all of us are going through better than anything else we can say, The only thing worse / Than losing the one thing that you love / Is having the one thing that you love / Turned into everything that you fucking hate.
The six of us wished nothing but for our music to see the light of day for the people who were awaiting its release. For all of you who were hoping for Madison to release a record, we are sorry, we wish we could have released it as bad as you wanted to hear it. The one last thing we wish for as a band, is for us to serve as an example for the future. Be careful what contracts you sign, because as promising as it might seem, it could eventually mean the end of something that you love.
What goes around comes around..
Madison

[she cant swim!]

sorry to hear, i really liked the ep

[MOOF]

Great use of grammar. Glad to see our English language is going to waste.

[Veritas11]

That sucks. I never listened to them but man, that really sucks.

[MonoRecords]

that sucks

[thewebguy]

finally some freaking drama, i feel like nothing has even happened on this site since the HH lawsuit started

Great use of grammar. Glad to see our English language is going to waste.

ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, ssssshhhhhhh

[leftstranded]

what i already figured is accually true. rushmore is a waste of a lable. richard and stephanie can't even keep drive-thru bands happy. how are they ever going to do anything good with rushmore. i feel bad for bands like the mile after. who will probably never release a cd before they finally break up

[emptyvictory]

hey guys we hate to see ya go. WhenI first met Madison they were hitting some hard and driving tunes. Guys change your name and come out swinging.
To Richard and Stephine please don't screw "your" bands anymore, if you can't afford them release them. Your starting to compete for The T. Brummel F'up award.

[Adeniz19]

why anyone would sign to Rushmore is beyond me. i remember hearing about these dude's like 3 years ago and have been waiting for a full album ever since. shame that no one will ever hear one.

[Ryan Imhof]

Well that's shitty. I wonder if Self Against City will ever get released.

[leftstranded]

Well that's shitty. I wonder if Self Against City will ever get released.
sounds like a good bet. that label will go under

[emptyvictory]

what i already figured is accually true. rushmore is a waste of a lable. richard and stephanie can't even keep drive-thru bands happy. how are they ever going to do anything good with rushmore. i feel bad for bands like the mile after. who will probably never release a cd before they finally break up

I can't believe it The House Of Fools, The MIle After, Madison. Whats going on?

[Tmovielife16]

this sucks, this is why drive thru and rushmore are almost done, i hope they release those demos, i remember getting that EP at warped tour 2004

[RIPFenixTX]

It's sad to see this drama happpening with Drive Thru/Rushmore. I grew up loving the bands on Drive Thru, back when there was Cousin Oliver, early Dashboard, Fenix TX and NFG. It just sucks to see a great label starting to slip. Come on Richard and Stephanie, get your shit together!

[Adeniz19]

madison should just leak the demo's themselves.

[mht]

there are so many bands on drive thru/rushmore that are kicked to the fucking curb because those idiots only concentrate on like 2 or 3 main bands,


adelphi
self against city
houston calls


all three bands have talent in the pop music but are shit upon by that label. when i saw adelphi in a room full of 30 kids they put on a great fucking live jam band show, it was pretty awesome.

[NameTaken69]

that sucks, i really wish they were able to release an LP

[rosematter]

Well that's shitty. I wonder if Self Against City will ever get released.


At least that band made it to the studio, which is farther than Madison.

That really sucks for them, I enjoyed their demos. They shouldn't give up though, I'd love to see them record their cd anyways, I'm sure they could find a label to put it out on.

[CalamityRecords]

finally some freaking drama, i feel like nothing has even happened on this site since the HH lawsuit started



ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, ssssshhhhhhh

nice to see that you have time to post on messageboards. *SIGH*

[sooverratedyeah]

I am so angry. Why didnt madison say the tour was going to be there last I would have taken off work to go see them :( I was so excited when they got signed to rushmore. I felt as they were going to make the label and get huge. I remember seeing them at skate and surf fest ( ie bamboozle) outside and they were amazing. Its the band I have the most tshirts of and just an all around nice band. The song about alice in wonderland was going to be amazing. I knew this was coming but its the worse news ever. I wont say that I wont buy anything from drive thru again because I still like some of the bands on the label but thats just shitty .... why not just release them what do they have to gain by sitting on them .... I wish I was rich and owned a record label and I would buy the contract for a crazy amount and then it would make the nightly news and everyone would go check them out ..... damn damn damn

[Big_Guy]

why you would sign with a guy that makes you walk on his back in your bare feet is beyond me.

[mbuchbauer88]

I can't believe it The House Of Fools, The MIle After, Madison. Whats going on?

house of fools comes out in october for one thing, and for another, you have to look at it from both sides. yes, its shitty that the contract release took forever and that they couldnt be happy on rushmore, but you also have to remember that richard and stephanie have been in legal battles for well over a year, and have not been in a position to release very much DTR or rushmore. Its like trying to run and realizing you have nails in your feet pinning you down. I have been a huge DTR fan since 97. i grew up on fenix tx, NFG, finch, soco, starting line, early november, and this label has never disappointed me. Im fairly sure that richard and stephanie personally were not in any big rush to hurt any band on their label. they are in these legal battles because they WOULDNT screw bands on their label. I liked madison. ive got the ep, they seem like great guys, and i would have loved a full length. But you cant go pointing blame blindly without looking at all the facts. and dont forget even though you didnt get madison, you did get halifax, allister, and chart topping hellogoodbye and the early november. rushmore is having issues just like any brand new label would, the only difference is its in the spotlight cause of DTR. so guys, try to look at it from all points of view, and try to avoid the regular AP.net bullshit of just finding excuses to talk down on people. its honestly not that cool.

[OveriseFan]

Well that's shitty. I wonder if Self Against City will ever get released.

The album? Or the band?

The album's coming out early next year...

[cjprocknroll]

why you would sign with a guy that makes you walk on his back in your bare feet is beyond me.

Amazing!!!!!

[TheEndofGravity]

house of fools comes out in october for one thing, and for another, you have to look at it from both sides. yes, its shitty that the contract release took forever and that they couldnt be happy on rushmore, but you also have to remember that richard and stephanie have been in legal battles for well over a year, and have not been in a position to release very much DTR or rushmore. Its like trying to run and realizing you have nails in your feet pinning you down. I have been a huge DTR fan since 97. i grew up on fenix tx, NFG, finch, soco, starting line, early november, and this label has never disappointed me. Im fairly sure that richard and stephanie personally were not in any big rush to hurt any band on their label. they are in these legal battles because they WOULDNT screw bands on their label. I liked madison. ive got the ep, they seem like great guys, and i would have loved a full length. But you cant go pointing blame blindly without looking at all the facts. and dont forget even though you didnt get madison, you did get halifax, allister, and chart topping hellogoodbye and the early november. rushmore is having issues just like any brand new label would, the only difference is its in the spotlight cause of DTR. so guys, try to look at it from all points of view, and try to avoid the regular AP.net bullshit of just finding excuses to talk down on people. its honestly not that cool.

buchbauer, stop s'in drive thrus d for a sec and accept the fact that they should not sign bands if they dont have time for them FOR WHATEVER reason.

[OveriseFan]

house of fools comes out in october for one thing, and for another, you have to look at it from both sides. yes, its shitty that the contract release took forever and that they couldnt be happy on rushmore, but you also have to remember that richard and stephanie have been in legal battles for well over a year, and have not been in a position to release very much DTR or rushmore. Its like trying to run and realizing you have nails in your feet pinning you down. I have been a huge DTR fan since 97. i grew up on fenix tx, NFG, finch, soco, starting line, early november, and this label has never disappointed me. Im fairly sure that richard and stephanie personally were not in any big rush to hurt any band on their label. they are in these legal battles because they WOULDNT screw bands on their label. I liked madison. ive got the ep, they seem like great guys, and i would have loved a full length. But you cant go pointing blame blindly without looking at all the facts. and dont forget even though you didnt get madison, you did get halifax, allister, and chart topping hellogoodbye and the early november. rushmore is having issues just like any brand new label would, the only difference is its in the spotlight cause of DTR. so guys, try to look at it from all points of view, and try to avoid the regular AP.net bullshit of just finding excuses to talk down on people. its honestly not that cool.

Word up to all that.

And House Of Fools comes out in October, I think that's right.

It's an EP, but it should be excellent.

[OveriseFan]

buchbauer, stop s'in drive thrus d for a sec and accept the fact that they should not sign bands if they dont have time for them FOR WHATEVER reason.

I don't know if you noticed...

But they haven't signed a band in forever.

I think they're about to sign one soon though, early next year possibly.

[OveriseFan]

why you would sign with a guy that makes you walk on his back in your bare feet is beyond me.

Once again, someone says an ignorant statement and doesn't 'get it'.

Not every band does it either, you should know.

[rosematter]

so guys, try to look at it from all points of view, and try to avoid the regular AP.net bullshit of just finding excuses to talk down on people. its honestly not that cool.


Well, I'm just going say I've played with and talked to many of the smaller bands on Drive-Thru and they all have said similiar things as Madison said about the label. It seems like plenty of smaller bands might get lost in the shuffle on that label, for whatever reason. Maybe they heard Madison's demos and didn't like them, or maybe they just didn't have the money to put them into the studio, or maybe they just don't have the personnel to give all the bands the attention they deserve.

Either way, it's still an unfortunate circumstance no matter why.

That being said, DTR isn't going anywhere, not with the sucesses they've had this summer with TEN and HG.

[RedWineSheets]

I think its bullshit that they are only releasing a HOF ep when its common knowledge that they have enough songs for a LP.

[mrzippo3]

That sucks. Like a lot of you, I have high hopes of working in the music industry some day and it really sucks to see what the industry is these days, a money train. It used to be the major labels that were the enemies and now its the big indie labels that are fucking over bands left and right. It's really sad. Good bands who just want the world to hear their music just get screwed over. It's really sad. Good luck to these guys and all the other bands out there getting bent over and railed by DTR/Rushmore and Victory.

[EmoScreamo]

house of fools comes out in october for one thing, and for another, you have to look at it from both sides. yes, its shitty that the contract release took forever and that they couldnt be happy on rushmore, but you also have to remember that richard and stephanie have been in legal battles for well over a year, and have not been in a position to release very much DTR or rushmore. Its like trying to run and realizing you have nails in your feet pinning you down. I have been a huge DTR fan since 97. i grew up on fenix tx, NFG, finch, soco, starting line, early november, and this label has never disappointed me. Im fairly sure that richard and stephanie personally were not in any big rush to hurt any band on their label. they are in these legal battles because they WOULDNT screw bands on their label. I liked madison. ive got the ep, they seem like great guys, and i would have loved a full length. But you cant go pointing blame blindly without looking at all the facts. and dont forget even though you didnt get madison, you did get halifax, allister, and chart topping hellogoodbye and the early november. rushmore is having issues just like any brand new label would, the only difference is its in the spotlight cause of DTR. so guys, try to look at it from all points of view, and try to avoid the regular AP.net bullshit of just finding excuses to talk down on people. its honestly not that cool.

Sounds like this guy works for Drive Thru. Ahaha I can understand that there are legal issues they have to deal with. But it's been going on for years. They broke there contract with Geffen quite a long time ago. So why bring it up now? They did release albums for DTR but none for Rushmore? The only band I remember releasing something on Rushmore was Houston Calls. You say they only get heat for being such a bad label because they are DTR. But there are plenty of indie labels the size of DTR that have no problems with their roster. Not big enough to post on the internet anyway. Look at labels like Equal Vision, Tooth and Nail, and Vagrant. I don't see any posts about how that label is screwing them over. And of course albums did come out from DTR recently, but the whole issue is them siging bands and not releasing there material after months or years they've been signed. Look at any other indie label most of the bands they sign go straight to the studio to record, and there album release is due a few months after. All I can say is there have been plenty of bands that don't like Richard and Stephanie for some reason or another. And you just can't write that kind of stuff up. Madison, Midtown, Senses Fail, A Static Lullaby, who's next?

[OveriseFan]

I am so angry. Why didnt madison say the tour was going to be there last I would have taken off work to go see them :( I was so excited when they got signed to rushmore. I felt as they were going to make the label and get huge. I remember seeing them at skate and surf fest ( ie bamboozle) outside and they were amazing. Its the band I have the most tshirts of and just an all around nice band. The song about alice in wonderland was going to be amazing. I knew this was coming but its the worse news ever. I wont say that I wont buy anything from drive thru again because I still like some of the bands on the label but thats just shitty .... why not just release them what do they have to gain by sitting on them .... I wish I was rich and owned a record label and I would buy the contract for a crazy amount and then it would make the nightly news and everyone would go check them out ..... damn damn damn

because they can't release anything if it won't get distributed.

Madison had a chance with Rushmore as far as I can tell. They just didn't follow through.

Upsettingly, DTR/Rushmore signed some (forgive me, to all the bands this references) 'lazy bands' recently, who aren't all up in arms like Madison to get stuff released. They'd rather keep writing and perfecting.

[Nolessthanblink]

house of fools comes out in october for one thing, and for another, you have to look at it from both sides. yes, its shitty that the contract release took forever and that they couldnt be happy on rushmore, but you also have to remember that richard and stephanie have been in legal battles for well over a year, and have not been in a position to release very much DTR or rushmore. Its like trying to run and realizing you have nails in your feet pinning you down. I have been a huge DTR fan since 97. i grew up on fenix tx, NFG, finch, soco, starting line, early november, and this label has never disappointed me. Im fairly sure that richard and stephanie personally were not in any big rush to hurt any band on their label. they are in these legal battles because they WOULDNT screw bands on their label. I liked madison. ive got the ep, they seem like great guys, and i would have loved a full length. But you cant go pointing blame blindly without looking at all the facts. and dont forget even though you didnt get madison, you did get halifax, allister, and chart topping hellogoodbye and the early november. rushmore is having issues just like any brand new label would, the only difference is its in the spotlight cause of DTR. so guys, try to look at it from all points of view, and try to avoid the regular AP.net bullshit of just finding excuses to talk down on people. its honestly not that cool.

One of the smartest things that I've read on this website in a VERY long time... Good work.

[mrzippo3]

buchbauer, stop s'in drive thrus d for a sec and accept the fact that they should not sign bands if they dont have time for them FOR WHATEVER reason.
yeah, seriously. This isn't something new. Midtown hated DTR and got out of there, as well as Senses Fail.. it's not like this is the first time we've heard complaints from bands on that label.

[OveriseFan]

Sounds like this guy works for Drive Thru. Ahaha I can understand that there are legal issues they have to deal with. But it's been going on for years. They broke there contract with Geffen quite a long time ago. So why bring it up now? They did release albums for DTR but none for Rushmore? The only band I remember releasing something on Rushmore was Houston Calls. You say they only get heat for being such a bad label because they are DTR. But there are plenty of indie labels the size of DTR that have no problems with their roster. Not big enough to post on the internet anyway. Look at labels like Equal Vision, Tooth and Nail, and Vagrant. I don't see any posts about how that label is screwing them over. And of course albums did come out from DTR recently, but the whole issue is them siging bands and not releasing there material after months or years they've been signed. Look at any other indie label most of the bands they sign go straight to the studio to record, and there album release is due a few months after. All I can say is there have been plenty of bands that don't like Richard and Stephanie for some reason or another. And you just can't write that kind of stuff up. Madison, Midtown, Senses Fail, A Static Lullaby, who's next?

Rushmore released:

Self Against City: EP
The Track Record: EP
Houston Calls: Album
Day at the Fair: Album

HOWEVER, the legal issues aren't just about Geffen, they're about the distribution company, Sanctuary. They were bought up by a major, and Rich and Stef wanted off. They then needed to sort all that out, then find a good distro company.

Other indie labels work differently than DTR. Drive-Thru always wants demos and demos of records before they go in and record and release.

[OveriseFan]

yeah, seriously. This isn't something new. Midtown hated DTR and got out of there, as well as Senses Fail.. it's not like this is the first time we've heard complaints from bands on that label.

Midtown were jackasses to DTR though.

Senses Fail wanted off Geffen, not Drive-Thru.

Chris Carrabba wanted off because he believed Midtown's lies.

Read both sides of the story with Midtown and Drive-Thru, and you'll be sure to believe the label.

[OveriseFan]

That sucks. Like a lot of you, I have high hopes of working in the music industry some day and it really sucks to see what the industry is these days, a money train. It used to be the major labels that were the enemies and now its the big indie labels that are fucking over bands left and right. It's really sad. Good bands who just want the world to hear their music just get screwed over. It's really sad. Good luck to these guys and all the other bands out there getting bent over and railed by DTR/Rushmore and Victory.

Well it's good to see future music industry works understand 'the biz'.

[gengen]

houston calls changed my life.

[OveriseFan]

there are so many bands on drive thru/rushmore that are kicked to the fucking curb because those idiots only concentrate on like 2 or 3 main bands,


adelphi
self against city
houston calls


all three bands have talent in the pop music but are shit upon by that label. when i saw adelphi in a room full of 30 kids they put on a great fucking live jam band show, it was pretty awesome.

Self Against City's album is done. It comes out Q1 07 I think.

Houston Calls released an album last year.

Adelphi are going in to record their album.

Shut up, please. Stop bitching.

[mrzippo3]

Well it's good to see future music industry works understand 'the biz'.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know we had such an expert on here.. forgive me. You must know all the bands personally and all their stories.. I'll shut up cause you obviously know all the dirt.

[Nolessthanblink]

yeah, seriously. This isn't something new. Midtown hated DTR and got out of there, as well as Senses Fail.. it's not like this is the first time we've heard complaints from bands on that label.

Actually, Senses Fail got stolen BY Geffen and sold to Vagrant. I talked to Buddy at Warped 04 right after it happened and he talked about how shitty it was and how he wish it hadn't gone down like that and what not... so know your shit before you speak my friend.

[mrzippo3]

ACtually, Senses Fail got stolen BY Geffen and sold to Victory. I talked to Buddy at Warped 04 right after it happened and he talked about how shitty it was and how he wish it hadn't gone down like that and what not... so know your shit before you speak my friend.
Oh, cool man, you talked to Buddy, awesome, then you must know everything about the whole situation. I guess I don't know shit. Although, Victory? I thought they were on Vagrant? Stupid me making general comments and not knowing all the details.. hmph

[cjprocknroll]

who is the distributor now?

[tommyhaych]

Apparently Rushmore is being liquidated and all bands are being moved to DTR.

You know what, normally I'd come here and defend me ass off about how 'its all sanctuarys fault', but now its just seeming like all DTR/RUS bands minus TEN and HGB have a hard time getting anything out there.

House Of Fools have to release an EP now? Dont make me laugh! An EP is the kind of thing a band releases AS SOON as they sign to the label, but after over a year now, it's a (probably delayed) EP.

I'm getting tired of defending these people. It's like I'm running out of good points to use.

Whatever.

[OveriseFan]

who is the distributor now?

They haven't announced

[OveriseFan]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know we had such an expert on here.. forgive me. You must know all the bands personally and all their stories.. I'll shut up cause you obviously know all the dirt.

Thank you.

[mbuchbauer88]

Sounds like this guy works for Drive Thru. Ahaha I can understand that there are legal issues they have to deal with. But it's been going on for years. They broke there contract with Geffen quite a long time ago. So why bring it up now? They did release albums for DTR but none for Rushmore? The only band I remember releasing something on Rushmore was Houston Calls. You say they only get heat for being such a bad label because they are DTR. But there are plenty of indie labels the size of DTR that have no problems with their roster. Not big enough to post on the internet anyway. Look at labels like Equal Vision, Tooth and Nail, and Vagrant. I don't see any posts about how that label is screwing them over. And of course albums did come out from DTR recently, but the whole issue is them siging bands and not releasing there material after months or years they've been signed. Look at any other indie label most of the bands they sign go straight to the studio to record, and there album release is due a few months after. All I can say is there have been plenty of bands that don't like Richard and Stephanie for some reason or another. And you just can't write that kind of stuff up. Madison, Midtown, Senses Fail, A Static Lullaby, who's next?

houston calls lp, self against city ep, track record ep, day at the fair lp. that leaves madison, the cover, and the mile after without releases on rushmore. the cover is a recent sign, the mile after is demoing, and madison just broke up. in addition, self against city is in the studio and the track record is working on new demos. HC is touring and DATF disbanded for personal reasons.

DTR is not the one having roster problems, its rushmore. and indie labels the size of RUSHMORE have these issues. the other labels you listed are not without flaws either buddy. equal vision and tooth and nail are getting a fair bit of heat because they rerelease every album they have a year later, making money off fans who should have gotten the material in the first place, and screwing that kid who waited 3 weeks for his fucking preorder. Vagrant is not exactly doing a stellar job promoting some of their lesser known bands either. they put big bucks into dashboard, and you cannot find a .moneen. album in stores for the life of you. The geffen disputes are a long running process for those who do not know law, it doesnt come and go over night. this shit costs money, and you need to respect that people are trying their best. sure there have only been a few DTR releases lately. but when it does happen, they promote the shit out of their bands and are always looking out for them. they make sure their bands are touring constantly and are at the top of their game, yet still balance recording. HIPV in october, HOF in october, SAC early next year. DTR and rushmore are getting back on their feet, but that shit takes time. have some respect for people that are largely responsible for the shit you listen to today, and give it a thought next time you wanna talk shit and spin a DTR album at the same time.

[Nolessthanblink]

Oh, cool man, you talked to Buddy, awesome, then you must know everything about the whole situation. I guess I don't know shit. Although, Victory? I thought they were on Vagrant? Stupid me making general comments and not knowing all the details.. hmph

It's ok... I understand that the world needs dumbasses here and there. And I wasn't trying to sound all cool and shit saying I talked to Buddy, that's no big deal. I'm just saying that I know a little more about the situation than you do, since what you said was false anyway and you prolly just read that shit on some message board on some shitty website or something... So your comment was null and void, sorry.

[OveriseFan]

Apparently Rushmore is being liquidated and all bands are being moved to DTR.

You know what, normally I'd come here and defend me ass off about how 'its all sanctuarys fault', but now its just seeming like all DTR/RUS bands minus TEN and HGB have a hard time getting anything out there.

House Of Fools have to release an EP now? Dont make me laugh! An EP is the kind of thing a band releases AS SOON as they sign to the label, but after over a year now, it's a (probably delayed) EP.

I'm getting tired of defending these people. It's like I'm running out of good points to use.

Whatever.

I agree, it is frustrating, especially because I thought House of Fools had an album. But maybe it was THE BAND's choice to release only 8 or 9 songs so they call it an EP so people aren't dissappointed.

Would you call Miles' Davis's "Kind of Blue" an album or an EP? It's only 6 songs(One of them an alternate version), but it's a good chunk of music. Longer than most albums now.

[OveriseFan]

It's ok... I understand that the world needs dumbasses here and there. And I wasn't trying to sound all cool and shit saying I talked to Buddy, that's no big deal. I'm just saying that I know a little more about the situation than you do, since what you said was false anyway and you prolly just read that shit on some message board on some shitty website or something... So your comment was null and void, sorry.

He's an idiot, don't worry about him calling you out on a slight name-drop.

[OveriseFan]

houston calls lp, self against city ep, track record ep, day at the fair lp. that leaves madison, the cover, and the mile after without releases on rushmore. the cover is a recent sign, the mile after is demoing, and madison just broke up. in addition, self against city is in the studio and the track record is working on new demos. HC is touring and DATF disbanded for personal reasons.

DTR is not the one having roster problems, its rushmore. and indie labels the size of RUSHMORE have these issues. the other labels you listed are not without flaws either buddy. equal vision and tooth and nail are getting a fair bit of heat because they rerelease every album they have a year later, making money off fans who should have gotten the material in the first place, and screwing that kid who waited 3 weeks for his fucking preorder. Vagrant is not exactly doing a stellar job promoting some of their lesser known bands either. they put big bucks into dashboard, and you cannot find a .moneen. album in stores for the life of you. The geffen disputes are a long running process for those who do not know law, it doesnt come and go over night. this shit costs money, and you need to respect that people are trying their best. sure there have only been a few DTR releases lately. but when it does happen, they promote the shit out of their bands and are always looking out for them. they make sure their bands are touring constantly and are at the top of their game, yet still balance recording. HIPV in october, HOF in october, SAC early next year. DTR and rushmore are getting back on their feet, but that shit takes time. have some respect for people that are largely responsible for the shit you listen to today, and give it a thought next time you wanna talk shit and spin a DTR album at the same time.

Dashboard isn't even on Vagrant, they're on Interscope.

HIPV was never scheduled for October, that was a mistake. It's early next year I think.

[StandMyBrothers]

that blows for them. fuck that record company.

[mbuchbauer88]

Dashboard isn't even on Vagrant, they're on Interscope.

HIPV was never scheduled for October, that was a mistake. It's early next year I think.

dusk and summer was released on vagrant.

[Nolessthanblink]

houston calls lp, self against city ep, track record ep, day at the fair lp. that leaves madison, the cover, and the mile after without releases on rushmore. the cover is a recent sign, the mile after is demoing, and madison just broke up. in addition, self against city is in the studio and the track record is working on new demos. HC is touring and DATF disbanded for personal reasons.

DTR is not the one having roster problems, its rushmore. and indie labels the size of RUSHMORE have these issues. the other labels you listed are not without flaws either buddy. equal vision and tooth and nail are getting a fair bit of heat because they rerelease every album they have a year later, making money off fans who should have gotten the material in the first place, and screwing that kid who waited 3 weeks for his fucking preorder. Vagrant is not exactly doing a stellar job promoting some of their lesser known bands either. they put big bucks into dashboard, and you cannot find a .moneen. album in stores for the life of you. The geffen disputes are a long running process for those who do not know law, it doesnt come and go over night. this shit costs money, and you need to respect that people are trying their best. sure there have only been a few DTR releases lately. but when it does happen, they promote the shit out of their bands and are always looking out for them. they make sure their bands are touring constantly and are at the top of their game, yet still balance recording. HIPV in october, HOF in october, SAC early next year. DTR and rushmore are getting back on their feet, but that shit takes time. have some respect for people that are largely responsible for the shit you listen to today, and give it a thought next time you wanna talk shit and spin a DTR album at the same time.

Another valid point... finally some other thoughtful people on here. By the way, HIPV is now early Feb (and yes, the BAND pushed it back, not DTR) because they're still working on other shit that deals with finalizing an album... but I'm not gonna name drop on that shit this time ;)

[mrzippo3]

It's ok... I understand that the world needs dumbasses here and there. And I wasn't trying to sound all cool and shit saying I talked to Buddy, that's no big deal. I'm just saying that I know a little more about the situation than you do, since what you said was false anyway and you prolly just read that shit on some message board on some shitty website or something... So your comment was null and void, sorry.
Maybe I didn't have all my facts straight, which is understandable since all this has gone down over 2 years and I don't really recall things that happened so long ago, but you can't deny the fact that there has been a string of bands dissapointed with their stay on DTR/Rushmore.

[rosematter]

It's really amazing how much controversy DTR stirs up all the time, through no fault of their own or maybe it is.

No matter who is at fault, it seems like DTR's issues always get thrown into the public arena more often then other labels.

But, as they say, the only bad press is no press.

[RedWineSheets]

I agree, it is frustrating, especially because I thought House of Fools had an album. But maybe it was THE BAND's choice to release only 8 or 9 songs so they call it an EP so people aren't dissappointed.

Would you call Miles' Davis's "Kind of Blue" an album or an EP? It's only 6 songs(One of them an alternate version), but it's a good chunk of music. Longer than most albums now.

They signed in the Winter of 2004/2005 and in the fall of 06 they release an EP by their choice? Doesn't make any sense seeing as how they havent released anything under the name House of Fools.

[VitalJ]

Great use of grammar. Glad to see our English language is going to waste.

your cool dude

[mrzippo3]

you're cool dude
had to

[wegiveblood]

I have no clue whats going on with Drive-Thru. Richard has always been kind to me. And regardless of how lame things are going for them, HGB just became the highest grossing Drive-Thru band ever (and TEN isn't doing too bad either), so the label isn't going under. It's a shame that the bands are getting such rough deals, but its good that Madison took steps to show people how they feel they were treated on the label.

[Nolessthanblink]

Maybe I didn't have all my facts straight, which is understandable since all this has gone down over 2 years and I don't really recall things that happened so long ago, but you can't deny the fact that there has been a string of bands dissapointed with their stay on DTR/Rushmore.

I guess it all depends on what you call "disappointed". Bands that sign to the label thinking that they're gonna be as big as Panic! or Fall Out Boy or that they're gonna be Drive Thru's next NFG... and instead they open up for bigger bands on DTR and stuff, yeah they may get treated "unfair" in their eyes cause they go in with rockstar syndrome when really they're not anyone. Just cause a band is big in the Jersey area or some shit doesn't mean that everyone across the nation's gonna know about them, which a lot of times is what bands on indie labels think.I bet Madison thought they were the shit and were going to run things and then they came in and things didn't go how they planned. If you had some little band annoying you while you're dealing with legal issues and you're trying to get the albums out from the bigger bands on your label to help PAY for the legal issues, are you gonna be nice to the little band that keeps tugging on your shirt begging for attention? Be serious. So I'm not going to deny that some bands may have been uunhappy, but I bet that most of the unhappiness was their own fault by going into the deal thinking they were gods.

[mrzippo3]

I guess it all depends on what you call "disappointed". Bands that sign to the label thinking that they're gonna be as big as Panic! or Fall Out Boy or that they're gonna be Drive Thru's next NFG... and instead they open up for bigger bands on DTR and stuff, yeah they may get treated "unfair" in their eyes cause they go in with rockstar syndrome when really they're not anyone. Just cause a band is big in the Jersey area or some shit doesn't mean that everyone across the nation's gonna know about them, which a lot of times is what bands on indie labels think.I bet Madison thought they were the shit and were going to run things and then they came in and things didn't go how they planned. If you had some little band annoying you while you're dealing with legal issues and you're trying to get the albums out from the bigger bands on your label to help PAY for the legal issues, are you gonna be nice to the little band that keeps tugging on your shirt begging for attention? Be serious. So I'm not going to deny that some bands may have been uunhappy, but I bet that most of the unhappiness was their own fault by going into the deal thinking they were gods.
True, I feel you on that.

[Nolessthanblink]

True, I feel you on that.

Friends? :buddies:

[mrzippo3]

Friends? :buddies:
aww :thumbsup:

[Nolessthanblink]

aww :thumbsup:

By the way, you look strikingly similar to Spencer, the drummer from Hidden In Plain View! haha

[mbuchbauer88]

I guess it all depends on what you call "disappointed". Bands that sign to the label thinking that they're gonna be as big as Panic! or Fall Out Boy or that they're gonna be Drive Thru's next NFG... and instead they open up for bigger bands on DTR and stuff, yeah they may get treated "unfair" in their eyes cause they go in with rockstar syndrome when really they're not anyone. Just cause a band is big in the Jersey area or some shit doesn't mean that everyone across the nation's gonna know about them, which a lot of times is what bands on indie labels think.I bet Madison thought they were the shit and were going to run things and then they came in and things didn't go how they planned. If you had some little band annoying you while you're dealing with legal issues and you're trying to get the albums out from the bigger bands on your label to help PAY for the legal issues, are you gonna be nice to the little band that keeps tugging on your shirt begging for attention? Be serious. So I'm not going to deny that some bands may have been uunhappy, but I bet that most of the unhappiness was their own fault by going into the deal thinking they were gods.

im not sure i would have worded it the same way, but i do think you have the right idea. not that i think they had a god complex or anything because madison seemed like some chill guys, but people tend to put themselves ahead of everything else. i mean, tahts just human, nothing wrong with that. i dont think that richard and stephanie were ignoring any bands as much as focusing on the ones that are bringing in the needed funds to keep the other bands around. when they no longer need to pay legal fees, they can put that money towards small band promotion. and i think the bands on DTR and rushmore should understand that. those labels are run like family, and its give and take. so give DTR some time, and you can take the benefits when they come along.

[mrzippo3]

By the way, you look strikingly similar to Spencer, the drummer from Hidden In Plain View! haha
Hmm.. I'll have to look at a picture

[Name_Taken]

this sucks sooo bad. fuck rushmore, hope they die. i wish tere was some way Madison could've taken them to court or something.

[Nolessthanblink]

Hmm.. I'll have to look at a picture

Go here

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sjcdrums.com/pages/artists/sightings_images/spencer3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sjcdrums.com/pages/artists/sightings.html&h=309&w=304&sz=61&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=00OC9Q4mQ8YfVM:&tbnh=117&tbnw=115&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dspencer%2Bpeterson%2Bh idden%2Bin%2Bplain%2Bview%26svnum%3 D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D

theres quite a few! haha

[Nolessthanblink]

this sucks sooo bad. fuck rushmore, hope they die. i wish tere was some way Madison could've taken them to court or something.

Ok dumbass... I understand that you're 14, but you're just retarded. Go back and read all the threads, then come back and apologize for your actions.

[tragedyco]

Well that's shitty. I wonder if Self Against City will ever get released.

Jan 9, 2007. :)

[Nigel Tufnel]

Ive never heard of this band. I wish only good for their lives in the future and hate that something like this happened to them, but, this is a case of why you dont sign to labels that are rarely mentioned. I wouldnt hesitate to sign to the militia group, fueled by ramen, epitaph, any number of majors, so on and so forth. But, generally labels like this are small for a reason.

[redballoon4sale]

house of fools comes out in october for one thing, and for another, you have to look at it from both sides. yes, its shitty that the contract release took forever and that they couldnt be happy on rushmore, but you also have to remember that richard and stephanie have been in legal battles for well over a year, and have not been in a position to release very much DTR or rushmore. Its like trying to run and realizing you have nails in your feet pinning you down. I have been a huge DTR fan since 97. i grew up on fenix tx, NFG, finch, soco, starting line, early november, and this label has never disappointed me. Im fairly sure that richard and stephanie personally were not in any big rush to hurt any band on their label. they are in these legal battles because they WOULDNT screw bands on their label. I liked madison. ive got the ep, they seem like great guys, and i would have loved a full length. But you cant go pointing blame blindly without looking at all the facts. and dont forget even though you didnt get madison, you did get halifax, allister, and chart topping hellogoodbye and the early november. rushmore is having issues just like any brand new label would, the only difference is its in the spotlight cause of DTR. so guys, try to look at it from all points of view, and try to avoid the regular AP.net bullshit of just finding excuses to talk down on people. its honestly not that cool.

i'm calling this person out...this is richard himself

ps this situation doesn't only apply to rushmore bands, its the exact same for all of the drive-thru bands.


Upsettingly, DTR/Rushmore signed some (forgive me, to all the bands this references) 'lazy bands' recently, who aren't all up in arms like Madison to get stuff released. They'd rather keep writing and perfecting.

also, the bands just say they are "writing and perfecting" because they don't want to make richard and stefanie look bad. they can't say, "we aren't allowed to record because drive-thru is broke". it's called damage control. "lazy" is a word that originally came from richard and stefanie to cover it up, and make it look like it was the band at fault and not the label.

[mrzippo3]

Ive never heard of this band. I wish only good for their lives in the future and hate that something like this happened to them, but, this is a case of why you dont sign to labels that are rarely mentioned. I wouldnt hesitate to sign to the militia group, fueled by ramen, epitaph, any number of majors, so on and so forth. But, generally labels like this are small for a reason.
are you saying Rushmore records is rarely mentioned?!

[emptyvictory]

I guess it all depends on what you call "disappointed". Bands that sign to the label thinking that they're gonna be as big as Panic! or Fall Out Boy or that they're gonna be Drive Thru's next NFG... and instead they open up for bigger bands on DTR and stuff, yeah they may get treated "unfair" in their eyes cause they go in with rockstar syndrome when really they're not anyone. Just cause a band is big in the Jersey area or some shit doesn't mean that everyone across the nation's gonna know about them, which a lot of times is what bands on indie labels think.I bet Madison thought they were the shit and were going to run things and then they came in and things didn't go how they planned. If you had some little band annoying you while you're dealing with legal issues and you're trying to get the albums out from the bigger bands on your label to help PAY for the legal issues, are you gonna be nice to the little band that keeps tugging on your shirt begging for attention? Be serious. So I'm not going to deny that some bands may have been uunhappy, but I bet that most of the unhappiness was their own fault by going into the deal thinking they were gods.

thats such a pile of horseshit, Madison never fit that profile. They did expect to be able to have the label back them, help them with recording, and then release the final product. THATS not to much to expect from a label you sign with. If Drive Thru had large issues than why in the hell sign all these other bands. Concentrate on the ones you have and pass up the others until it makes sense to take more on. HOF should have been released last year so now an EP, ok thats something, hell Madison didn't even get a response to stuff they submitted. Like and defend DT all you want , it's still not the way to run a business

[Nolessthanblink]

thats such a pile of horseshit, Madison never fit that profile. They did expect to be able to have the label back them, help them with recording, and then release the final product. THATS not to much to expect from a label you sign with. If Drive Thru had large issues than why in the hell sign all these other bands. Concentrate on the ones you have and pass up the others until it makes sense to take more on. HOF should have been released last year so now an EP, ok thats something, hell Madison didn't even get a response to stuff they submitted. Like and defend DT all you want , it's still not the way to run a business

It's not horse shit, and I'm not saying that Madison thought they were gods or anything dickhead, I said that it happens with a lot of bands... and if you think about it, they signed all the bands BEFORE legal troubles occured. I'm sure that if they were magic and could the future that they wouldn't have signed the bands, or even inked the deal with Geffen or Sanctuary in the first place, but that's just it, no one can tell the future... shit happens. I think you're just another pathetic douchebag that wants to jump on the "I hate DTR" bandwagon without even first analyzing the situation.

[mikeyxxcore]

Adelphis been holding it down and its been about 3 years since a real release.
Its paitence, I guess.

[escapepodrock]

here is what is going on:

rushmore is no more. the entire roster will be drive-thru records.

the only remaining release this year is the house of fools ep. the reason its an ep is because the songs on it are the ones not making next year's full length. they have worked their asses off preparing this record and it will blow your minds.

self against city is coming out january 9 (its fucking sick) and hipv is coming out in march. the reason is sanctuary (whom drive-thru signed back on with) revamped their distro and it is now going through sony/red. the deal doesnt reset until the new year.

expect a new drive-thru site that actually functions correctly and a lot better distro and some awesome records.

the mile after has been demoing as well as the track record and the cover for records next year. i believe houston calls is also writing their 2nd full length to come out next year too.

so drive-thru hit a rough spot, but are desperately attempting to get their shit together.

oh and ps - everyone in the pa/ny/nj area should attend madison's last show tonight at the school of rock in south hackensack, nj.

[Nolessthanblink]

here is what is going on:

rushmore is no more. the entire roster will be drive-thru records.

the only remaining release this year is the house of fools ep. the reason its an ep is because the songs on it are the ones not making next year's full length. they have worked their asses off preparing this record and it will blow your minds.

self against city is coming out january 9 (its fucking sick) and hipv is coming out in march. the reason is sanctuary (whom drive-thru signed back on with) revamped their distro and it is now going through sony/red. the deal doesnt reset until the new year.

expect a new drive-thru site that actually functions correctly and a lot better distro and some awesome records.

the mile after has been demoing as well as the track record and the cover for records next year. i believe houston calls is also writing their 2nd full length to come out next year too.

so drive-thru hit a rough spot, but are desperately attempting to get their shit together.

oh and ps - everyone in the pa/ny/nj area should attend madison's last show tonight at the school of rock in south hackensack, nj.


Most of that sounds good cept HIPV told me early Feb... like the 9th or some shit. Who are you? haha

[elscorchette]

They haven't announced
they are distributed through red

and self against city and HIPV and house of fools all have FULL LENGTH albums coming out early next year!

[emptyvictory]

It's not horse shit, and I'm not saying that Madison thought they were gods or anything dickhead, I said that it happens with a lot of bands... and if you think about it, they signed all the bands BEFORE legal troubles occured. I'm sure that if they were magic and could the future that they wouldn't have signed the bands, or even inked the deal with Geffen or Sanctuary in the first place, but that's just it, no one can tell the future... shit happens. I think you're just another pathetic douchebag that wants to jump on the "I hate DTR" bandwagon without even first analyzing the situation.

It's horseshit that you implied Madison were being "rocksatrs". I didn't attact you asswipe and if you will look at dates, there were a group of bands that DT DID sign while this lawsuit kept getting worse. I don't hate you or DT I believe in ethics of business which is hard to find in this industry. If DT was so sincere in there attempt at keeping things together and family than start communicating with your bands and don't hassle with the ones that can't ride out your problems . Let'em loose

[The Revisionist]

Wait wait... you mean Richard and Stefanie screwed over a band! NO WAY, THAT NEVER HAPPENS!

That really sucks though, I feel bad for them.

[Snails]

here is what is going on:

rushmore is no more. the entire roster will be drive-thru records.

the only remaining release this year is the house of fools ep. the reason its an ep is because the songs on it are the ones not making next year's full length. they have worked their asses off preparing this record and it will blow your minds.

self against city is coming out january 9 (its fucking sick) and hipv is coming out in march. the reason is sanctuary (whom drive-thru signed back on with) revamped their distro and it is now going through sony/red. the deal doesnt reset until the new year.

expect a new drive-thru site that actually functions correctly and a lot better distro and some awesome records.

the mile after has been demoing as well as the track record and the cover for records next year. i believe houston calls is also writing their 2nd full length to come out next year too.

so drive-thru hit a rough spot, but are desperately attempting to get their shit together.

oh and ps - everyone in the pa/ny/nj area should attend madison's last show tonight at the school of rock in south hackensack, nj.
That's good to hear. Why don't Drive-Thru just release a statement about it??

[mikedoerr]

anyone defending richard and stephanie really must not get it. these people are crooks, they are awful to their bands but somehow cover their books really well and manage to still live well. 3 of the guys from madison dropped out of high school to sign to drive thru 3 years ago when the contract was first offered to them. 3 years later they have no band, no real label, and no real options. but yea, richard and stephanie are good people....

[Johnnydcp]

Regardless of what people are saying on here, A label should not sign a band(s) that they can't/ won't promote. Most of these bands, such as Madison, I don't really care about, but I still feel bad for nonetheless. I'm not sure what's true or not true, but from what I've heard and read about many bands on Rushmore/Drive-thru over the last couple years, it seems many bands are really unhappy and seem to get the shaft pretty bad. I heard Adelphi had to pay to record their own demos. I even understand how maybe Madison should have waited for their turn to have some label support, but it seems that they did. This is a job for these kids too, and it seems that the label just completely blew them off. Waiting months to have YOUR label listen to your demos..... That's ridiculous. Are they that busy there in CA? I'd be excited as hell to listen to them especially if I signed the band to my label. I would want to hear these demos today, and I have absolutely nothing to make off this band. They are going for this adult/grown up sound now, and it seems as though they are acting in a pretty unprofessional manner to alot of bands. Do they know anything about ethics?? Sounds kind of like Victory.

[Chris Fallon]

What a shame. I feel bad for them, being offered a contract and never even being looked at as a priority after that. I just don't understand, because Rushmore was doing well for awhile, yet they haven't done shit since, what, Houston Calls - which was like a year ago? What the fuck, Richard and Stefanie? Drive-Thru's situation is all worked out, how about getting some people on releasing some music for your other label? Screwing bands out of a career doesn't seem to be the ideal work plan, so maybe you guys can release something in 2007? Kthx.

[Johnnydcp]

I don't get why they wouldn't just let the band go to pursue label support elsewhere. It's not like at the time being, Madison is a Cash Cow... Seems pretty rude to me.

[Adeniz19]

i don't see why drive thru went on that signing spree a year or so back when they were in no spot to support all of those bands and especially a second label.

if shit is hitting the fan like this you can't completey defend drive-thru.... i'm sure they aren't fully to blame but i would bet it's mainly on them.

[sooverratedyeah]

Hey if Madison would have signed to victory I think they would have had two albums by now out I always feel that victory bands I dont have to wait along time for new albums......

[xowearmeout]

i've been going to madison shows for years, and it's just going to be wierd now that they're not playing. i never really took too much of an interest in them, but they're pretty big around here for some reason. just another way for the "scene" around here to die.

[BettyDavisDance]

Well, I'm just going say I've played with and talked to many of the smaller bands on Drive-Thru and they all have said similiar things as Madison said about the label. It seems like plenty of smaller bands might get lost in the shuffle on that label, for whatever reason. Maybe they heard Madison's demos and didn't like them, or maybe they just didn't have the money to put them into the studio, or maybe they just don't have the personnel to give all the bands the attention they deserve.

Either way, it's still an unfortunate circumstance no matter why.

That being said, DTR isn't going anywhere, not with the sucesses they've had this summer with TEN and HG.
I think DTR signed some bands that shouldn't be signed to this label, however, DTR still did fuck some of these bands over. I feel bad about Madison but I don't think they were a good band in the first place.
I heard that Rushmore is going under and they are dropping all of the bands besides Houston Calls and Self Against City, who are going to Drive Thru. House of Fools is already on Drive Thru for those who keep throwing them under Rushmore. I believe that folding up Rushmore and dropping those bands will be a great business decision on their part.

[leftstranded]

this thread reminds me that i forgot to buy day at the fair's album. and it was soo good too!

[worldsattack]

I'm not really here to say anything new, but...

- I've never been a fan of Madison; but if they are anything, they are hard-working. They have a rabid fanbase in New Jersey, and used to be able to pack in a huge amount of kids at churches and halls up north. It's a damn shame that those kids will never have anything to hear besides that EP that they released on Fidelity (which I think is also sort of nonexistent at the moment).

- After all of these years, I never understand how people can still defend Drive-Thru/Rushmore. I don't claim to be "in the know," but I have heard a decent amount of criticism from bands several times...enough to convince me that something is not quite right. I've been disgusted with the concept of Rushmore since day one, because I think it's such an afterthought and that Drive-Thru uses it as a way to get more bands without actually having to put too much effort forth. A young band (like Madison) would be psyched to get signed to any label that is willing to give them a chance, especially to an imprint of a label like Drive-Thru who has had a tremendous impact on "the scene." In this excitement, however, most would probably fail to consider the reality of the situation; and that many people/labels beyond DTR/Rushmore are likely to screw you over.

- As a label, you have a responsibility to keep your bands happy and actively working. Whether that means recording, touring, writing, or something else...these bands are making music because they most likely are in it for the long haul and want to make a career out of it. Obviously, the bands get a break after working hard...but when that break turns into the band members themselves asking when they are going to have the chance to work again, something has to be wrong. At the very least, a label should meet these requests simply to cover their asses when things like this go down. Even if you are a money/power-hungry exec of some sorts, you have to at least cover it up by treating your bands like royalty. Very few can be successful without some sort of deceit, it seems.

[drugs!]

because they can't release anything if it won't get distributed.

Madison had a chance with Rushmore as far as I can tell. They just didn't follow through.



dude, you haven't a clue. They followed through and got no response from the label, besides "i dont have the time to listen to your fucking band's demos" or something of the sort. Time was running out for them and it was obvious that staying with the label wasn't a possibility to be a thriving band.

[r3wind74]

this thread reminds me that i forgot to buy day at the fair's album. and it was soo good too!

You can still buy it at cduniverse.com or through fye.com :)

[mbuchbauer88]

i'm calling this person out...this is richard himself

ps this situation doesn't only apply to rushmore bands, its the exact same for all of the drive-thru bands.




also, the bands just say they are "writing and perfecting" because they don't want to make richard and stefanie look bad. they can't say, "we aren't allowed to record because drive-thru is broke". it's called damage control. "lazy" is a word that originally came from richard and stefanie to cover it up, and make it look like it was the band at fault and not the label.

one, i am not richard, nor do i work for DTR, i am just a kid whose life was changed by albums like what it is to burn, nothing gold can stay, leaving through the window, the rooms too cold, and say it like you mean it. i will stick up for richard because i know that sometimes people go through hard times and it doesnt make it any easier to have a bunch of clueless assholes constantly busting their balls. next time you go buy an album in the genre, look through the booklet to the thank yous. you are sure to find at least one drive thru band in there.

[myworstmistakes]

Great use of grammar. Glad to see our English language is going to waste.

good to see that all you got from that was grammar, asshole.

[myworstmistakes]

i really feel bad for madison, they were really dedicated to their music and didn't deserve this. i hope this isn't/doesn't happen to any other bands signed to rushmore or drive thru.

[MacaroonShindig]

Good, they suck.

[fedhed7]

Fuck this. Rushmore contains some of my favorite bands.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

sorry guys. i really wanted to hear the shit. thats gay.

[Roadie]

Message to everyone defending drive thru: your wasting your time. In my experience with the label, they only care about themselves. In my experience with Madison, they are great guys who make their motives clear and dont want to hurt a fly.

[PassedOut]

I respect them as musicians but Madison definitely was not a very pleasant band to work with

[SoCoRocksMySock]

Leak the demos!!!! Oh and drive thru did just sign a new band...Say No More or something like that.

[drawkwa22]

well.. i read a lot of these comments, some were on point.. others not so much. i'm actually in a band that has met with richard/stef plenty of times. richard is actually a really nice guy. we didn't spend much time with stef though, so i can't really say anything for her. the first time we met richard, we walked on his back etc, but it wasn't really weird.. it was strangely comfortable. hah. richard gave us some really solid feedback on our material and has helped us with some other stuff since then and we still meet up with him whenever he's on our coast. i mean, the guy knows something about music if he's been able to bring people the likes of nfg, fenix tx, hellogoodbye, early november, senses fail (who basically changed the direction of punk/emo), dashboard etc. a ton of bands that are around now wouldn't be around today if it wasn't for what that guy did. honestly, i think he just didn't like the madison demos and didn't want to release anything he didn't like. that's the whole point of demoing. you demo it and rewrite it and repeat the process until it's perfect.

[DriveTBSthru]

I guess it all depends on what you call "disappointed". Bands that sign to the label thinking that they're gonna be as big as Panic! or Fall Out Boy or that they're gonna be Drive Thru's next NFG... and instead they open up for bigger bands on DTR and stuff, yeah they may get treated "unfair" in their eyes cause they go in with rockstar syndrome when really they're not anyone. Just cause a band is big in the Jersey area or some shit doesn't mean that everyone across the nation's gonna know about them, which a lot of times is what bands on indie labels think.I bet Madison thought they were the shit and were going to run things and then they came in and things didn't go how they planned. If you had some little band annoying you while you're dealing with legal issues and you're trying to get the albums out from the bigger bands on your label to help PAY for the legal issues, are you gonna be nice to the little band that keeps tugging on your shirt begging for attention? Be serious. So I'm not going to deny that some bands may have been uunhappy, but I bet that most of the unhappiness was their own fault by going into the deal thinking they were gods.

i agree with you 100% because madison did think they were gods ever time i met them. they sucked and so did there music. why do they want to tell there story so dtr can't sign any bands and it seems like dtr are the evil people and they are perfect little angels. i mean grow up and move on, if you want to be in a new band do that but you dont have to explain the whole story.

[TBSguitar]

they suck now, but it sucks for them. but they're demos from nada studios were much better, and they had big heads at that time anyway. but what i dont get is if they really wanted to record some stuff, and knew they wouldn't get it released on rushmore, to just go do it themselves rather than wait. yeah, maybe they didn't have any money, but that's what being in a band's all about, you get what has to be done and what you want done.

and everything that i want to say has already been said, but richard's a nice guy, a little weird with the walking on the back thing. And he did come to a small college radio station for an interview. So yeah.

[r3wind74]

Message to everyone defending drive thru: your wasting your time. In my experience with the label, they only care about themselves. In my experience with Madison, they are great guys who make their motives clear and dont want to hurt a fly.

In everyone's own experience/thoughts/ideas/minds, we are either going to be for/or against something, that is a cold hard fact.

Perhaps if one of my fav DTR/Rush bands was let go, maybe I'd be bashing DTR too...well I would like to think not since DTR (like or not) did produce/help out many, many great bands. You can hate all you want on DTR but the "scene" wouldn't be the "scene" w/o DTR.

I wish I could add something of value but all I've read are items from msg boards/interviews. All the legal stuff/distro topics have been pointed out and that did hamper DTR's moving fwd and took time from giving proper attention to bands while others who think they know everything bashed the label for things that were not under their (DTR's) control.

To the haters: Until you go out and start your own label and deal w/all the pros/cons, joy/pains, legal/money issues, face having to start from scratch and work yourself to the bone, I don't think it is within your right to say that the label is only looking out for themselves. Has Madison filed legal action against DTR? No..so the issues must not have been monetary or big enough to warrant any action against DTR.
Not to say the bands don't work hard as well, I know they do and I give tons of respect to anyone who dares go into the music biz and tour/record/start a label/etc. Hell I know I couldnt handle living in a van for "x" amt of months/being away from home/creating music that I hope will pay for my living or trying to get a band on my label radio/promotion/direction/etc.

Maybe Madison didn't fit the DTR mold anymore? I've liked bands that were dropped from their label or the band actually asked to be removed/dropped (Eve 6, TSL, Better Than Ezra) and I am sure there are more/will be more bands dropped by other labels. And I've liked bands that broke up (Athenaeum, DATF) and that also sucks but guess what kiddies, life isn't all peaches & cream.

As far as I know, The Track Record, Adelphi, An Angle are all doing demo's, HC is resting up after a summer tour then going to demo/record and SAC is out in Jan (and the new songs totally blow away the ep).

Dashboard is on Vagrant which has some type of deal w/Interscope though I am not sure if Interscope owns part of Vagrant, I think it does so DC then would be on Vag/Inter.

I have never met anyone at DTR but I think one of the guys in HIPV summed up the relationship as a family type and did make it clear that families have fights, hell I know mine does. Sometimes things don't work out for whatever reason and if Madison was one of your fav bands, than I feel bad that you feel your band got treated poorly.

I still have faith in DTR/Rushmore & its bands and wish them nothing but the best.

[r3wind74]

well.. i read a lot of these comments, some were on point.. others not so much. i'm actually in a band that has met with richard/stef plenty of times. richard is actually a really nice guy. we didn't spend much time with stef though, so i can't really say anything for her. the first time we met richard, we walked on his back etc, but it wasn't really weird.. it was strangely comfortable. hah. richard gave us some really solid feedback on our material and has helped us with some other stuff since then and we still meet up with him whenever he's on our coast. i mean, the guy knows something about music if he's been able to bring people the likes of nfg, fenix tx, hellogoodbye, early november, senses fail (who basically changed the direction of punk/emo), dashboard etc. a ton of bands that are around now wouldn't be around today if it wasn't for what that guy did. honestly, i think he just didn't like the madison demos and didn't want to release anything he didn't like. that's the whole point of demoing. you demo it and rewrite it and repeat the process until it's perfect.



So that walking on the back thing is true? Good post anyway...

[goalibob]

i think self against city wil get transferred to drive thru cos they have a big fan base already. their album is going to be released in roughly january the 7th according to an e-mail they sent to me on myspace. rushmore records is fuckin balls. wot a waste of a band. they shud have just kept it all on drive thru, and love mines zero or wotever? like that shud ever happen. another fuckin waste of money.

[goalibob]

p.s i am a massive drive thru records fan

[bricky]

madison was a good band and i'm very sad, i'm not against rushmore, but why the hell they didn't cut the contract if they didn't want madison anymore?

[Humres0083]

Bottom line you shouldnt sign to a label when the owner will only listen to your cd if you are a teenage boy and you agree to walk on his back. Let it been know RICHARD REINES IS A BLATANT OUT OF THE CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL WHO PREFERS THE COMPANY OF YOUNG BOYS TO THAT OF ANY ADULT! DO NOT BE MISLED! If you dont like madison, fine, if you like dtr, fine, but the truth is the truth. Richie Reines is the M Jackson of emo. Fuck you all i dont give a fuck about my grammar so dont waste your time calling me out on it because the reality of it is , yes i am smarter than you and can back it up. These madison dudes are legit, ive played with them several times in my life and they are/were a legitamate band. Stephanie, seroiously just by listening to bob dylan will not allow you to lose weight or become attractive, go your brothers route and become a child molester. Do not go to this douche bags house if he invites you. I have been to his home off of route 34 in ABERDEEN NJ, if you show up without socks he will hand you a fresh pair because he wants you to step on his back. This is the most decetful creepiest fuck out there and people need to get their game up and quit supporting a hypocritical label. What happened to this fat fucks huge argument about how major labels blow cause he signed a shitty deal with MCA/Geffen. Just cause he was got picked on as a kid now hes gotta turn up the napolien complex and ruin young dudes(just the way he likes em) lives. FUck this fat cocksucker and his stupid sister, you guys suck, your bands (DTR)suck eat shit and die.

[tensecondstogo]

whatever happened to just saving up some money and just recording and releasing it yourself or through purevolume or iTune ???

Some bands sure make it sounds like they don't know how to do anything without a label.

some bands get lost on the ideals of DIY. Don't just do it yourselves, THINK for yourselves.

[Humres0083]

I guess it all depends on what you call "disappointed". Bands that sign to the label thinking that they're gonna be as big as Panic! or Fall Out Boy or that they're gonna be Drive Thru's next NFG... and instead they open up for bigger bands on DTR and stuff, yeah they may get treated "unfair" in their eyes cause they go in with rockstar syndrome when really they're not anyone. Just cause a band is big in the Jersey area or some shit doesn't mean that everyone across the nation's gonna know about them, which a lot of times is what bands on indie labels think.I bet Madison thought they were the shit and were going to run things and then they came in and things didn't go how they planned. If you had some little band annoying you while you're dealing with legal issues and you're trying to get the albums out from the bigger bands on your label to help PAY for the legal issues, are you gonna be nice to the little band that keeps tugging on your shirt begging for attention? Be serious. So I'm not going to deny that some bands may have been uunhappy, but I bet that most of the unhappiness was their own fault by going into the deal thinking they were gods. You are a stupid fuck, you know nothing. Oklahoma, yea ton of sick bands coming out of there...wrong. If you can make it out of jersey and your in a band its equivalent to making it out of Canada and going to the NHL as a hockey player. Every canadian kid plays hockey every jersey kid plays music. Do me a fav, insert your bullshit oponions when we talk about farming/cattle and fucking your sister!

[monicaaaa!]

this kind of wants to make me cry.

[hollywoodending]

fcuk DTR. love madison

[StarterFinisher]

The top 5 reasons this label is a bunch of pieces of shit:
All of these are facts and not single incidents, I as a booking agent work with numerous bands and all of them when they feel comfterable go off about these fat pigs to one another.
1. Richard and Stephanie prey upon giving these band bad deals. The routinely try to force bands to not use lawyers who will argue about the contract and actually threaten to withdraw the offer to sign a band if it is not taken care of in 2 weeks so the band has no chance to actually get a fair deal.
2. They do not like bands to have managers and get mad when they do cause as anyone who has dealt with them knows they get mad when they have to deal with adults. They look stupid in front of adults cause adults do not tolerate other adults acting like 16 year olds and manipulating one another by threats anytime something doesn't go their way. When other adults get involved they look like idiots cause the band see's the other adult behaving maturley and DTR acting like babies. 16 year old girls more approperiatly, breaking off a friendship anytime you do not do what they please.
3. Having young boys walk on your back isn't funny, it is fucking creepy.
4. There are a lot of other bands on DTR trying to get off. Many people know this. Sinking ship anyone?
5. Playing preferential treatment when bands dont sign merch or managemant deals with you and being pissed and guilting them constantly

[DriveTBSthru]

Bottom line you shouldnt sign to a label when the owner will only listen to your cd if you are a teenage boy and you agree to walk on his back. Let it been know RICHARD REINES IS A BLATANT OUT OF THE CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL WHO PREFERS THE COMPANY OF YOUNG BOYS TO THAT OF ANY ADULT! DO NOT BE MISLED! If you dont like madison, fine, if you like dtr, fine, but the truth is the truth. Richie Reines is the M Jackson of emo. Fuck you all i dont give a fuck about my grammar so dont waste your time calling me out on it because the reality of it is , yes i am smarter than you and can back it up. These madison dudes are legit, ive played with them several times in my life and they are/were a legitamate band. Stephanie, seroiously just by listening to bob dylan will not allow you to lose weight or become attractive, go your brothers route and become a child molester. Do not go to this douche bags house if he invites you. I have been to his home off of route 34 in ABERDEEN NJ, if you show up without socks he will hand you a fresh pair because he wants you to step on his back. This is the most decetful creepiest fuck out there and people need to get their game up and quit supporting a hypocritical label. What happened to this fat fucks huge argument about how major labels blow cause he signed a shitty deal with MCA/Geffen. Just cause he was got picked on as a kid now hes gotta turn up the napolien complex and ruin young dudes(just the way he likes em) lives. FUck this fat cocksucker and his stupid sister, you guys suck, your bands (DTR)suck eat shit and die.

i am not going correct your grammar but i think what you said about them is a little harsh and i think your just a little upset because they maybe didnt want to sign your band. also, i don't think anyone should be so rude about this situation. i mean come on madison were fucking douche bags and they should get what they deserve.

[IamNogreatMan]

Protip: Lots of bands hate their labels. Just so happens, lots of rabid internet music lovers hate drive thru as well.
With that out of the way...
I feel bad for Madison. I set up a show for them almost 2 years ago in my town and they seemed like really nice guys. I haven't read all 9 pages of this, just the first 4 or so, but some one said that Richard loves to hear demos and tons of them. From the few times I have talked to him, I can say this is completly true. Although, if what Madison says is true that no one at Rushmore would give them the time of day when it came to their demos, I place that on Rushmores shoulders. I don't however understand all the inner workings of records labels and what not, so I will admit that I am just blindly siding with Madison for the most part. In Drt/Rushmores defense though, they have been going through a lot legaly, I don't think its a excuse to shrug off your bands (if thats what happened), but it at least gives some light of understanding.

Again, all I have to go own is the Madison post and random things I have heard. To be fair, thats what most of us might be going on as well.

[randall814]

Great use of grammar. Glad to see our English language is going to waste.

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[xxcland3stinexx]

You know Richard can be a pretty ok guy, I've had a lot of dealings with him. But he does seem shady sometimes and I know a few people who have worked on the label who left because they said it is like going to high school all over again becaue of how immature they are and how they act like babies if they do not get their way.

I have only had a few times with stephanie and they all consisted of her adding fuck about 900 times in every thing she said.

The thing that is weirding me out right now is that he used to always make me or anyone in my band but mostly me walk on his back. His house, Hotel rooms you name it. So long as no one else was around though. He would say bring osme of your friends next time and I will hook them up with tickets and shirts etc... This was also a while back when i was like 17.

I always thought it was a little weird about the back thing but just figured he liked having his back walked on so if someone could do it he enjoyed it then one day he said and this is a word for word quote.

"Don't tell any of the other bands or stephanie about the back thing because they like to make fun of me about it." But he said it in this creepy ass way and it always stuck in my head til this day me and my friend would talk about it.

Now that I am seeing its other people too it is really creepy as hell.

In any case Richard has always been a pretty damn nice guy to me but the back thing is creppy and I can deff tell you for sure if I had ever done anything to bother him he would go off because he is deff very immature and spiteful as all hell.

[MoneyMaker]

Fuck Richard That Fucking Child Molestor!

[ForeversLastDay]

What about Morning Call, An Angle, Jenoah, The Mile After, and The Cover? Morning Call has been signed for over a year (possibly two) and you hear absolutely nothing about them. Same with Jenoah. I know both these bands have had member changes, but you would think you would get to hear some demos or any kind of new about them. An Angle got very little promotion when his second album came out. Nothing is ever said about The Mile After. I realize The Cover is a new band, but nothing is ever said about them. And whatever happend to Rx Bandits? Are they still on Drive-thru?

[startingline256]

i swear to god the next kid to say something about someones grammar im going to destroy... madison has been dear friends of mine for as long as they have been a band... they have done nothing but work as hard as they can to satisfy the listener and do nothing but try put out a cd... in the past month they have written 30 songs for their ep, they weren't even listened to by richard or stephanie... its a good defense to tell people they cant spell or that they used a word in past tense when they should have used it in present tense..... i hate saying or even thinking that i know more about music then all of you..but in realitty you all suck, seriously... when serious matters, like how good a band was and how they changed how the nj scene was and totallly is not taken into consideration and your best defesne is defending a label that has turned into a money hungry machine like DTR its disgusting... YOU ALL LISTEN TO BANDS THAT WORK WAY TO HARD AND GET TOO LITTLE RECOGNITION ITS FUCKING DISGUSTING... that being said comment on how i spetl a word wrong and go jerk off to panic at the disco... think about it... stop thinking about how smart you think you are and start thinking how you all have lost the real connection between music, talent and just straight up good musicianship.... stop defendind DTR because they put out good cds like Midtown , save the world lose the girl and start realizing they put out the recent socratice cd.... fuck you all suck right now stop supporting record labels and think about all the bands that get fucked in the music business today...

[David Wooley]

damn this sucks I still have all demos of the ep. they need to just put that stuff out themselves those new demos were too good to go to waste.

[soanonymous11]

So obviously I posted this anonymously. I worked for a band on the label and knowing R&S as I do, I don't want to get my friends in trouble for anything that I might say.

Obviously sides have been picked by almost everyone here, with the majority of the R&S supporters saying "get your facts straight." Yes, YOU really should. These aren't good people, and that's really the simlest way to put it. Does everyone make mistakes? Yes everyone does make mistakes. The label signed too many bands, and maybe the bands should have signed elsewhere. BUT, when you sign these bands you have a responsibility to put out their music and promote it to the best of YOUR ability. That's YOUR job as the label. And to a certain degree they accomplish it. With TEN, Halifax, HIPV, HG, clearly they promote the shit out of those bands. What about the rest though? I understand that these are the bands that bring in the money to afford the vast majority of the rest of the roster, but come on, you can't back them up and say they promote the shit out of EVERY band. That's their only job and only responsibility as a label is to put out records and promote them.

Someone here mentioned that they punish bands who don't sign merch deals with them and strongly advise against bands seeking management, and I assure you it's 110% true. They call all managers "sketchy assholes," and almost flat out refuse to deal with them in anyway. Here's the thing though, managing a band is completely seperate from running a label, these 2 things could not be more different, yet they need to function hand in hand. Label's should not have a say in a band's affairs beyond whatever stipulations and responsibilites the band and label have to each other in their recording contracts. In the case of the standard DTR and I'm guessing Rushmore contracts, the only real responsibility to DTR is to tour for 2 months out of the year and that's it. Merch is something that yes labels have a hand in nowadays, but it's also basically the band'sdecision who they want to do it with. Why would DTR punish bands for not doing their merch through them? Simple. MONEY. If band A does all their merch through DTR, the label not only makes money off of every shirt sold through the DTR store, but also every shirt the band sells on tour because they made it. What does the band get for a shirt sold through the DTR store, if I remember correctly it's about $1.85. That's right $1.85. One more time in case you didn't read that $1.85. Now if band A does their merch through merch company A DTR doesn't make anything off of any shirt sold on tour, and if the band does an amazing job of promoting their own webstore, hence taking business away from the DTR store where all bands are FORCED to sell 1-4 designs per year, DTR doesn't make a dime off of those shirts either and the band can make anywhere from $3-$7 PER SHIRT. I wonder why they would punish a band for doing such a thing, and I wonder why bands would want to have their own store.

My point is these people are about money. Don't believe me? I've even heard a few horror stories from other bands who had R&S show up at their show thinking it was for support, and then having the balls to ask the bands for their guarantees from the door because they owed them money. Maybe I'm crazy, but guarantees are for the band's performance,and I don't ever remember either of them performing. Let alone a few hundred bucks? Are you fucking SERIOUS?!?!?! Maybe at one point it was about music, but I think those days are long gone. I've been to both of their houses, NJ & CA, and I've been to the office. It's funny being on tour with one of their bands who struggles to eat on a daily basis, and then you walk into one of their houses mid tour. It's hard to swallow where their money goes when you walk into the house and are confronted by a lifesize Darth Vader, before you can even think "I wonder how much that costs?" Yet the majority of their bands are touring in a world of rising gas prices and wondering where their next meal is coming from. I can't feel sorry for these people when they have EVERYTHING and manage to screw over just about anyone they can. Maybe that's just how you get to the top. My point is this is about money, and nothing else. Maybe they didn't think they could make money off of Madison, and that's fine, because I'm not saying they should be in this to break even, but shouldn't they figured that out BEFORE they signed them then?

I really don't want to sink to flat out shit talk, but everything that's been posted here about the back walking is also 100% true. And this is the relevance of it. Anyone close to R&S knows that there are Richard bands and there are Stefanie bands. Madison are without a doubt a Richard band. And it just befuddles the hell ouf of me that he can find the time in his day to meet with god knows how many unsigned little kid bands to listen to their demos and yet he can't make the time for months to listen to the demos of oneof HIS bands.

I think he obviously DID listen to them and just didn't have the balls to approach the band with his honest opinions of them. And this brings me to another point in the ongoing DTR vs DTR Bands sagas. DTR preaches the whole "family" concept to no end. And that's fine, but you need to be able to seperate business from friendships. Being friends with your bands isn't a problem. I haven't heard the Madison demos, but if he didn't like them then he should have stepped up as the label owner that he is and said, "I don't like the demos, when I signed you I expected better, and I still know you guys can do better, so get back to work and be the band I know you can be." Nothing too dick, but enough of a message, and a little encouragement. Now the way you can tell that Madison is a Richard band is the fact that if they were a Stefanie band the second she didn't like them she would have been on the phone screaming, "What the fuck is this shit that you sent me?" Another totally effective way of doing business. Sarcasm? Yes.

That's the deal though, they're not effective business people. The booking agent who mentioned how they're used to dealing with kids who they can manipulate and can't effectively communicate with adults on an adult basis. SO DEAD ON.

And lastly, for those of you who are playing the "legal troubles" card. You have to think that alot of these bands were signed either while the MCA/Geffen deal was still in place or right after when the Sanctuary thing happened. To say that these bands need to be patient and wait for it to play out. Take a step back. That's not fair to them. They signed their deals when the label HAD their shit together, or at least appeared to. And it's not their fault or their responsibility. This is DTR's responsibility to fix, and they need to get the fuck on it. You can't be in a band touring on the same record (assuming you were even lucky enough to get one out) for 2+ years. There's actually quite a few stipulations in the DTR contract about how long the label has to release a record during the term, and why so many of these bands hang on I have no idea. Props to Madison for at least trying to get out and not lying dormant at the mercy of DTR's money problems, or distro problems, or whatever it is holding up all these bands.

Well that's all I have. Honestly, I was never a fan of Madison's music, but I respect the shit out of them for saying things that more bands should have the balls to say.

[emoishardcore]

Great use of grammar. Glad to see our English language is going to waste.

shut up slut, no one cares. madison was an awesome band with catchy riffs and nothing too complicated. yet another good NJ band that ended too early. kind of in the same basket as post break tragedy

[FiringPartyRule]

house of fools comes out in october for one thing, and for another, you have to look at it from both sides. yes, its shitty that the contract release took forever and that they couldnt be happy on rushmore, but you also have to remember that richard and stephanie have been in legal battles for well over a year, and have not been in a position to release very much DTR or rushmore. Its like trying to run and realizing you have nails in your feet pinning you down. I have been a huge DTR fan since 97. i grew up on fenix tx, NFG, finch, soco, starting line, early november, and this label has never disappointed me. Im fairly sure that richard and stephanie personally were not in any big rush to hurt any band on their label. they are in these legal battles because they WOULDNT screw bands on their label. I liked madison. ive got the ep, they seem like great guys, and i would have loved a full length. But you cant go pointing blame blindly without looking at all the facts. and dont forget even though you didnt get madison, you did get halifax, allister, and chart topping hellogoodbye and the early november. rushmore is having issues just like any brand new label would, the only difference is its in the spotlight cause of DTR. so guys, try to look at it from all points of view, and try to avoid the regular AP.net bullshit of just finding excuses to talk down on people. its honestly not that cool.


sooooo..... what facts drive thru/rushmore screwed madison just like their screwing adelphi just like their screwing the mile after. richard didn't listen to their demos... i know these guys very well and they havn't even talked to that guy in months. maybe richard and stephanie arn't in any position to release much this year... but guess what release papers are so fucking cut and dry they take little time to draft up. they should have released madison. i was at the last show tonight and seeing them on stage was the saddest fucking thing i've ever seen. there were kids in the crowd with tears in their eyes during their last song. some of the members of madison were crying randomly the whole set, imagine being in a band with 5 other guys since you were like 15. then signing "the deal of a lifetime" and getting fucked hard. then having to give it up cause all hope seems lost. after seeing what i saw tonight, i can't respect rushmore anymore. if any of you were there you'd know what i'm talking about.

[FiringPartyRule]

[quote=IamNogreatMan;4166996]
some one said that Richard loves to hear demos and tons of them. From the few times I have talked to him, I can say this is completly true.
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yea he loves to hear demos if you're 16 and will walk on his back... its about control. Ask anyone on that label they'll all say he never listens to demos

[tommyhaych]

What about Morning Call, An Angle, Jenoah, The Mile After, and The Cover? Morning Call has been signed for over a year (possibly two) and you hear absolutely nothing about them. Same with Jenoah. I know both these bands have had member changes, but you would think you would get to hear some demos or any kind of new about them. An Angle got very little promotion when his second album came out. Nothing is ever said about The Mile After. I realize The Cover is a new band, but nothing is ever said about them. And whatever happend to Rx Bandits? Are they still on Drive-thru?

Rx Bandits left drive-thru earlier this year. Talking to the merch guy at the show I saw them at, they had a very similar opinion to that of Madisons.

Morning call went through a couple of member changes and have been doing plenty of demoing (one of those can be found on their purevolume. The last lead singer did fuck all work, so thats why theyre a bit behind.

An Angle released an ep themselves, recently. They've been signed for less time than Adelphi and Jenoah and have had 2 albums out, haha.

Jenoah posted like a 100 demos on their myspace, which personally, I thought stank.

The Mile After posted a demo a while back, but thats all I heard from them.

The Cover, what the fuck. A guy who knows them told me that they had found a drummer and were putting some shit together.

So basically, they need to prove us all wrong and start putting this stuff out, regardless of whether or not Richard likes it! With the money he's made from Halifax, HGB and TEN, it shouldnt be a problem.
Even on this new Drive-Thru site, they should actually post news about the lesser bands.

[MoneyMaker]

i swear to god the next kid to say something about someones grammar im going to destroy... madison has been dear friends of mine for as long as they have been a band... they have done nothing but work as hard as they can to satisfy the listener and do nothing but try put out a cd... in the past month they have written 30 songs for their ep, they weren't even listened to by richard or stephanie... its a good defense to tell people they cant spell or that they used a word in past tense when they should have used it in present tense..... i hate saying or even thinking that i know more about music then all of you..but in realitty you all suck, seriously... when serious matters, like how good a band was and how they changed how the nj scene was and totallly is not taken into consideration and your best defesne is defending a label that has turned into a money hungry machine like DTR its disgusting... YOU ALL LISTEN TO BANDS THAT WORK WAY TO HARD AND GET TOO LITTLE RECOGNITION ITS FUCKING DISGUSTING... that being said comment on how i spetl a word wrong and go jerk off to panic at the disco... think about it... stop thinking about how smart you think you are and start thinking how you all have lost the real connection between music, talent and just straight up good musicianship.... stop defendind DTR because they put out good cds like Midtown , save the world lose the girl and start realizing they put out the recent socratice cd.... fuck you all suck right now stop supporting record labels and think about all the bands that get fucked in the music business today...
do you really expect kids posting on this site to have good grammar?

[lassise]

there are so many bands on drive thru/rushmore that are kicked to the fucking curb because those idiots only concentrate on like 2 or 3 main bands,


adelphi
self against city
houston calls


all three bands have talent in the pop music but are shit upon by that label. when i saw adelphi in a room full of 30 kids they put on a great fucking live jam band show, it was pretty awesome.

dtr doesn't focus on adelphi, wtf are you talking about. their headliner shows are only $5 and richard doesnt want to release their music so they had to record on their own dollar. i'll kinda agree with houston calls, and SAC wasn't mentioned at all till recently when they gave away tickets on AP.

[lassise]

Rx Bandits left drive-thru earlier this year. Talking to the merch guy at the show I saw them at, they had a very similar opinion to that of Madisons.

Morning call went through a couple of member changes and have been doing plenty of demoing (one of those can be found on their purevolume. The last lead singer did fuck all work, so thats why theyre a bit behind.

An Angle released an ep themselves, recently. They've been signed for less time than Adelphi and Jenoah and have had 2 albums out, haha.

Jenoah posted like a 100 demos on their myspace, which personally, I thought stank.

The Mile After posted a demo a while back, but thats all I heard from them.

The Cover, what the fuck. A guy who knows them told me that they had found a drummer and were putting some shit together.

So basically, they need to prove us all wrong and start putting this stuff out, regardless of whether or not Richard likes it! With the money he's made from Halifax, HGB and TEN, it shouldnt be a problem.
Even on this new Drive-Thru site, they should actually post news about the lesser bands.

the covers been signed for over a year cuz they were on the comp last warped tour. and i agree wtf why hasnt the mile after come out with anything. they are one of two unsigned bands i've every bought a cd from (them along with daphne loves derby, who also have become nothing since they got signed)

[Jason Tate]

house of fools comes out in october for one thing, and for another, you have to look at it from both sides. yes, its shitty that the contract release took forever and that they couldnt be happy on rushmore, but you also have to remember that richard and stephanie have been in legal battles for well over a year, and have not been in a position to release very much DTR or rushmore. Its like trying to run and realizing you have nails in your feet pinning you down. I have been a huge DTR fan since 97. i grew up on fenix tx, NFG, finch, soco, starting line, early november, and this label has never disappointed me. Im fairly sure that richard and stephanie personally were not in any big rush to hurt any band on their label. they are in these legal battles because they WOULDNT screw bands on their label. I liked madison. ive got the ep, they seem like great guys, and i would have loved a full length. But you cant go pointing blame blindly without looking at all the facts. and dont forget even though you didnt get madison, you did get halifax, allister, and chart topping hellogoodbye and the early november. rushmore is having issues just like any brand new label would, the only difference is its in the spotlight cause of DTR. so guys, try to look at it from all points of view, and try to avoid the regular AP.net bullshit of just finding excuses to talk down on people. its honestly not that cool.

Telling a band "I don't fucking care to ever listen to your demos" and still fighitng for points on the album where ever they release it, sure seems messed up 2 me.

[Jason Tate]

I have no clue whats going on with Drive-Thru. Richard has always been kind to me. And regardless of how lame things are going for them, HGB just became the highest grossing Drive-Thru band ever (and TEN isn't doing too bad either), so the label isn't going under. It's a shame that the bands are getting such rough deals, but its good that Madison took steps to show people how they feel they were treated on the label.

Highest grossing band? Uh.

[Jason Tate]

I guess it all depends on what you call "disappointed". Bands that sign to the label thinking that they're gonna be as big as Panic! or Fall Out Boy or that they're gonna be Drive Thru's next NFG... and instead they open up for bigger bands on DTR and stuff, yeah they may get treated "unfair" in their eyes cause they go in with rockstar syndrome when really they're not anyone. Just cause a band is big in the Jersey area or some shit doesn't mean that everyone across the nation's gonna know about them, which a lot of times is what bands on indie labels think.I bet Madison thought they were the shit and were going to run things and then they came in and things didn't go how they planned. If you had some little band annoying you while you're dealing with legal issues and you're trying to get the albums out from the bigger bands on your label to help PAY for the legal issues, are you gonna be nice to the little band that keeps tugging on your shirt begging for attention? Be serious. So I'm not going to deny that some bands may have been uunhappy, but I bet that most of the unhappiness was their own fault by going into the deal thinking they were gods.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Seriously.

[RockVocalPower]

The Mile After is still doing demos.

[Rufio21]

dont the band but since they mentioned SF, they are good in my book.

[lilnoah2]

When i was about 14 or 15 my band was just gettin started and we met with richard at a hotel. He had my friends and I walk on his back, that was the only way he said he would listen to our demos. A 50 year old man, and 4 young teenages walking on this dudes back, i don't know. now that i think about it that was extremely creepy, he abuses his position of power to have young teenage boys massage him with their feet and then says stuff like "push harder it feels good" . If thats not weird, i dont know what is. In my defense, drivethru was cool at that time. lol

[tommyhaych]

When i was about 14 or 15 my band was just gettin started and we met with richard at a hotel. He had my friends and I walk on his back, that was the only way he said he would listen to our demos. A 50 year old man, and 4 young teenages walking on this dudes back, i don't know. now that i think about it that was extremely creepy, he abuses his position of power to have young teenage boys massage him with their feet and then says stuff like "push harder it feels good" . If thats not weird, i dont know what is. In my defense, drivethru was cool at that time. lol

That really weirds me out. Justin (Bel Air) was talking to me about it as if thats how the music industry works in America.

[mbuchbauer88]

Bottom line you shouldnt sign to a label when the owner will only listen to your cd if you are a teenage boy and you agree to walk on his back. Let it been know RICHARD REINES IS A BLATANT OUT OF THE CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL WHO PREFERS THE COMPANY OF YOUNG BOYS TO THAT OF ANY ADULT! DO NOT BE MISLED! If you dont like madison, fine, if you like dtr, fine, but the truth is the truth. Richie Reines is the M Jackson of emo. Fuck you all i dont give a fuck about my grammar so dont waste your time calling me out on it because the reality of it is , yes i am smarter than you and can back it up. These madison dudes are legit, ive played with them several times in my life and they are/were a legitamate band. Stephanie, seroiously just by listening to bob dylan will not allow you to lose weight or become attractive, go your brothers route and become a child molester. Do not go to this douche bags house if he invites you. I have been to his home off of route 34 in ABERDEEN NJ, if you show up without socks he will hand you a fresh pair because he wants you to step on his back. This is the most decetful creepiest fuck out there and people need to get their game up and quit supporting a hypocritical label. What happened to this fat fucks huge argument about how major labels blow cause he signed a shitty deal with MCA/Geffen. Just cause he was got picked on as a kid now hes gotta turn up the napolien complex and ruin young dudes(just the way he likes em) lives. FUck this fat cocksucker and his stupid sister, you guys suck, your bands (DTR)suck eat shit and die.


you are officially the stupidest piece of shit ive never met. if your cant say something without making a complete ass of yourself, just shut the fuck up and stay that way. i hope your little rant made you feel better. and be careful, your crush on richard is showing...

[mbuchbauer88]

You know Richard can be a pretty ok guy, I've had a lot of dealings with him. But he does seem shady sometimes and I know a few people who have worked on the label who left because they said it is like going to high school all over again becaue of how immature they are and how they act like babies if they do not get their way.

I have only had a few times with stephanie and they all consisted of her adding fuck about 900 times in every thing she said.

The thing that is weirding me out right now is that he used to always make me or anyone in my band but mostly me walk on his back. His house, Hotel rooms you name it. So long as no one else was around though. He would say bring osme of your friends next time and I will hook them up with tickets and shirts etc... This was also a while back when i was like 17.

I always thought it was a little weird about the back thing but just figured he liked having his back walked on so if someone could do it he enjoyed it then one day he said and this is a word for word quote.

"Don't tell any of the other bands or stephanie about the back thing because they like to make fun of me about it." But he said it in this creepy ass way and it always stuck in my head til this day me and my friend would talk about it.

Now that I am seeing its other people too it is really creepy as hell.

In any case Richard has always been a pretty damn nice guy to me but the back thing is creppy and I can deff tell you for sure if I had ever done anything to bother him he would go off because he is deff very immature and spiteful as all hell.

and you were in what band? im interested.

[mbuchbauer88]

What about Morning Call, An Angle, Jenoah, The Mile After, and The Cover? Morning Call has been signed for over a year (possibly two) and you hear absolutely nothing about them. Same with Jenoah. I know both these bands have had member changes, but you would think you would get to hear some demos or any kind of new about them. An Angle got very little promotion when his second album came out. Nothing is ever said about The Mile After. I realize The Cover is a new band, but nothing is ever said about them. And whatever happend to Rx Bandits? Are they still on Drive-thru?

Jenoah has had demos out, lots actually, check out purevolume. an angle got just as much publicity as any other DTR band, go check some old AP magazines, their page add was in a few.

[iHATEapril]

I used to love Drive Thru, now I can't fucking stand them. At all.

[bkrajesk]

The top 5 reasons this label is a bunch of pieces of shit:
All of these are facts and not single incidents, I as a booking agent work with numerous bands and all of them when they feel comfterable go off about these fat pigs to one another.
1. Richard and Stephanie prey upon giving these band bad deals. The routinely try to force bands to not use lawyers who will argue about the contract and actually threaten to withdraw the offer to sign a band if it is not taken care of in 2 weeks so the band has no chance to actually get a fair deal.
2. They do not like bands to have managers and get mad when they do cause as anyone who has dealt with them knows they get mad when they have to deal with adults. They look stupid in front of adults cause adults do not tolerate other adults acting like 16 year olds and manipulating one another by threats anytime something doesn't go their way. When other adults get involved they look like idiots cause the band see's the other adult behaving maturley and DTR acting like babies. 16 year old girls more approperiatly, breaking off a friendship anytime you do not do what they please.
3. Having young boys walk on your back isn't funny, it is fucking creepy.
4. There are a lot of other bands on DTR trying to get off. Many people know this. Sinking ship anyone?
5. Playing preferential treatment when bands dont sign merch or managemant deals with you and being pissed and guilting them constantly


fuck that....Stefanie and Richard bend over backwards for their bands. They would do anything for any of the bands on DTR/Rushmore

[mikeyxxcore]

fuck that....Stefanie and Richard bend over backwards for their bands. They would do anything for any of the bands on DTR/Rushmore

shutup, no they wouldnt.