Who's the best musician? Battle of the musicians..

[Robin.]

As you guys saw there are polls asking who is the best musician between two members of a band or different bands. I'm doing a musicians tournament with 64 musicians, 32 vs 32, one on one battles, compared both within instruments skills, songwriting skills, respect and every shit you guys want to compare.

I divided them into 4 groups (randomly) and each two days I will be posting 1 battle from each group.

The musician who gets more votes win, as simple as that.

I started out with John Lennon vs Paul McCartney so whoever wins between them goes to the next round.

The groups are:


GROUP 1:

John Lennon vs Paul McCartney (The Beatles)

David Gilmour vs Roger Waters (Pink Floyd)

Mick Jagger vs Keith Richards (The Rolling Stones)

Morrisey (The Smiths) vs Robert Smith (The Cure)

Axl Rose vs Slash (Guns N' Roses)

Roger Daltrey (The Who) vs Jim Morrison (The Doors)

Freddie Mercury vs David Bowie

Buddy Holly vs Frank Sinatra



GROUP 2:

Thom Yorke (Radiohead) vs Matthew Bellamy (Muse)

Joey Ramone (The Ramones) vs Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols)

Mark Hoppus vs Tom DeLonge (Blink-182)

Billy Armstrong (Green Day) vs Greg Graffin (Bad Religion)

Liam Gallagher vs Noel Gallagher (Oasis)

Kurt Cobain (Nirvana) vs Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters)

Maja Ivarsson (The Sounds) vs Emily Haines (Metric)

Bono (U2) vs Michael Stipe (R.E.M.)



GROUP 3:

Michael Jackson vs Elvis Presley

Tupac vs Notorious B.I.G.

Jesse Lacey (Brand New) vs Adam Lazzarra (Taking Back Sunday)

Frank Zappa vs. Johnny Cash

Jack White (The White Stripes) vs Zack de la Rocha (Rage Against the Machine)

Eric Clapton vs George Harrison (The Beatles)

Thomas Bangalter and Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo (Daft Punk) vs Ben Goldwasser and Andrew VanWyngarden (MGMT)

Dave Matthews vs John Mayer



GROUP 4:

Paul Stanley vs Gene Simmons (Kiss)

Elvis Costello vs Bruce Springsteen

Bon Scott vs Angus Young (AC/DC)

Dave Mustaine (Megadeth) vs James Hetfield (Metallica)

Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin) vs Steven Tyler (Aerosmith)

Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam) vs Chris Cornell (Soundgarden)

Eddie Van Halen vs Jimi Hendrix

Lou Reed (The Velvet Underground) vs Black Francis (Pixies)



The winners of each group will battle each other and then move to the next round.

What do you guys think?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

[quicksilv001]

No Matt Berninger? Thom Yorke takes it easily.

[FueledByRock]

I really think this is a cool idea, however it's sort of easy to tell who will make it to the finals (Thom Yorke, Jesse Lacey, either John or Paul).

[Robin.]

I really think this is a cool idea, however it's sort of easy to tell who will make it to the finals (Thom Yorke, Jesse Lacey, either John or Paul).

Maybe, but the next round will be based on number of votes, so maybe there'll be a soon Thom Yorke vs Jesse Lacey to complicate things out.

[kbi the crowing]

If MGMT wins over Daft Punk... I don't know what will happen, but it will be bad.

[FallOutWeeze]

Tom Delonge will always be WAY better then Mark Hoppus. But I still love the man

[bridgeofeldin]

david gilmour 4 life

[Chris92]

My two picks from each group...

Lennon/Morrissey
Thom Yorke/Dave Grohl
Tupac/Jesse Lacey
Dave Mustaine/Lou Reed

That's my $0.02

[Un'Aria Ancora]

Gilmour
Yorke v Bellamy: funny.
You have too much free time.

[ReadyForAction]

Tom Delonge will always be WAY better then Mark Hoppus. But I still love the man

what?

[Brokenhill]

david gilmour 4 life

:wave:

[FallOutWeeze]

what?

I meant I still love Mark Hoppus even if I think Tom Delonge is better. My bad

[FueledByRock]

Maybe, but the next round will be based on number of votes, so maybe there'll be a soon Thom Yorke vs Jesse Lacey to complicate things out.
Good point. Hopefully there'll be at least some variety.

[drevans18]

this is a great idea.

[Robin.]

Gilmour
Yorke v Bellamy: funny.
You have too much free time.

Yeah, actually I did it in less than an hour, I recently finished my university career so I'm kinda doing nothing right now so yes.

[Shatter_Glass]

Throw Alex Turner (Arctic Monkeys) vs. Caleb Followil (Kings of Leon) in there!!!

[152]

no brian fallon??

[jeremyc]

You should have added Chris Carrabba vs. Jason Gleason. That would have been a good one.

[Robin.]

no brian fallon??

Haha sorry dude, Win Butler vs Brian Fallon would have been great though.

[Un'Aria Ancora]

Yeah, actually I did it in less than an hour, I recently finished my university career so I'm kinda doing nothing right now so yes.

Well congratulations then. I'm hoping to within the next year. That has to be a good feeling. I would probably spend a shit load of time with music too.

[briewer]

"Thomas Bangalter and Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo (Daft Punk) vs Ben Goldwasser and Andrew VanWyngarden (MGMT)"

Biggest blowout ever?

[aradiantsunrise]

Fun.

[Robin.]

Well congratulations then. I'm hoping to within the next year. That has to be a good feeling. I would probably spend a shit load of time with music too.

Yes, it is a great feeling, a little scary though. And yes I'm trying to focus a lot on music, at least this year, but it is kinda frustrating knowing that you have to be looking for a job instead of posting on a forum :p

[Robin.]

"Thomas Bangalter and Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo (Daft Punk) vs Ben Goldwasser and Andrew VanWyngarden (MGMT)"

Biggest blowout ever?

I have a lot of respect for both bands, I don't know how they could be blowouts..

[briewer]

I have a lot of respect for both bands, I don't know how they could be blowouts..
The actual poll will probably end up being close, but in reality, MGMT isn't even in the same stratosphere as Daft Punk, both in terms of talent and accomplishments.

[BornUnderPunches]

GROUP 1:

I'd love to see Morrissey or Freddie Mercury win this, but Lennon's going to win.

GROUP 2:

Cobain vs. Grohl? It should be Cobain (Nirvana) vs. Grohl (Foo Fighters). That'd make more sense.
Yorke will win.


GROUP 3:

Lacey will win because we're on ap.net.


GROUP 4:
Hendrix wins over Plant

[BozzBlonde]

Frank Sinatra owns. Period.

[Robin.]

GROUP 1:

I'd love to see Morrissey or Freddie Mercury win this, but Lennon's going to win.

GROUP 2:

Cobain vs. Grohl? It should be Cobain (Nirvana) vs. Grohl (Foo Fighters). That'd make more sense.
Yorke will win.


GROUP 3:

Lacey will win because we're on ap.net.


GROUP 4:
Hendrix wins over Plant


It is Grohl (Foo Fighters) as it is Tom (AVA) and Mark (+44) but the () thing were for their former bands.

[KingJohn_654]

John Nolan should win.

/fanboy.

[x1onexwo1fx]

i don't like how some of the pairings came out. should've been randomized, would've made it more interesting. i mean, come on, jesse vs adam? too obvious.

[joshsurber]

Biggie over Tupac anyday...and im on the west coast

[Indoor Living]

i don't like how some of the pairings came out. should've been randomized, would've made it more interesting. i mean, come on, jesse vs adam? too obvious.
Close-up animals with a wide-angle lens. I like it.

[p93]

Why Lacey v. Lazzara instead of Lacey v. John Nolan? Wouldn't that make way more sense?

[x1onexwo1fx]

Close-up animals with a wide-angle lens. I like it.

back when i took the pic, i didn't even know what a wide-angle lens was, haha. thanks.

[Wake Up]

/john mayer

[Robin.]

i don't like how some of the pairings came out. should've been randomized, would've made it more interesting. i mean, come on, jesse vs adam? too obvious.


Yeah, but how could we compare Jesse Lacey vs Michael Jackson? The next round is going to be a little bit more randomized though.

[El_Jeffe]

These are a fun idea, especially when people share their thoughts on the topic. But unfortunately it always ends up being thousands of random votes for Brand New, regardless of who they're up against, for no reason of justification.

But what can you do haha. Good idea mate. I'm looking forward to a few of those discussions.

[Robin.]

These are a fun idea, especially when people share their thoughts on the topic. But unfortunately it always ends up being thousands of random votes for Brand New, regardless of who they're up against, for no reason of justification.

But what can you do haha. Good idea mate. I'm looking forward to a few of those discussions.

Thanks! I recently met some guys from New Zealand that were working as engineers. They were awesome and knew a lot about music, I guess it is something common in ur country isnt it?

[IceAge/HeatWave]

why would you put kurt and dave against each other first round =( now we have to send kurt home early.


ha.. ha..

[SLoT]

I like this idea, unfortunately people will move on due to little knowledge of who they were up against. Also, why you have Pete Wentz and Gabe Saporta on this bitch instead of Frank Zappa vs. Johnny Cash is beyond me.

[briewer]

Oh, and you've left off a ton of great artists in favor of pieces of shit like Saporta and MGMT.

/obligatory

[zachff]

If you're going to do this you need to get rid of this bullshit groupings and just seed 1 to 64 or whatever, because it's ridiculous to have essentially all the best musicians in the first bracket then people like Liam Gallagher, Wentz, Saporta, Lazarra, Lacey on there at all.

[Robin.]

ok, ill switch saporta and wentz by popular request.

[Forever.Zero]

The ones I care to make a pick on

John Lennon vs Paul McCartney (The Beatles)
David Gilmour vs Roger Waters (Pink Floyd)
Morrisey (The Smiths) vs Robert Smith (The Cure)
Freddie Mercury vs Brian May (Queen)
Thom Yorke (Radiohead) vs Matthew Bellamy (Muse) - funny
Joey Ramone (The Ramones) vs Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols)
Bono (U2) vs Michael Stipe (R.E.M.)
Jesse Lacey (Brand New) vs Adam Lazzarra (Taking Back Sunday)
Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin) vs Steven Tyler (Aerosmith) - again, funny
Eddie Van Halen vs Jimi Hendrix
Lou Reed (The Velvet Underground) vs Black Francis (Pixies) - Notice I didn't make a pick here because I LOVE both. This one was too hard to make a pick.

[kearn1tm]

Jesus Christ.

[Forever.Zero]

Maybe put Jesse Lacey against Isaac Brock

[briewer]

ok, ill switch saporta and wentz by popular request.
So you replaced two shitty artists with two other shitty artists? I mean, you've still got David Bowie, David Byrne, Elvis Costello, Fela Kuti, Ian Curtis, Thurston Moore, Tom Waits, Brian Eno, Bruce Springsteen, Joe Strummer, Iggy Pop, James Brown, Nick Drake, Brian Wilson, Miles Davis, and John Coltrane sitting off your list just for starters, and your reaction is to go with Ozzy Osbourne? Really?

[harley7733]

I think the people that are saying paul over john are the same who will say hoppus over delonge. (and we all know those are the two who should win! :D)

[harley7733]

no brian fallon??

yeah put him up against another springsteen follower like Brandon Flowers or Win Butler.

[evvandflow]

im a huge brand new fan but jesse lacey has no business coming out of that group. he wouldnt be able to make it out of the first round if he wasnt against adam lazarra (why hes on here, i have no idea). if were actually talking about MUSICIANS, Jack White should come out of that group.

[x1onexwo1fx]

it seems like most people are complaining about the artists you chose and how you put them against each other. maybe you should have a nominations system of some sort? and then randomize the artists into their groups. at this point, the idea's great but the execution sucks.

[bridgeofeldin]

So you replaced two shitty artists with two other shitty artists? I mean, you've still got David Bowie, David Byrne, Elvis Costello, Fela Kuti, Ian Curtis, Thurston Moore, Tom Waits, Brian Eno, Bruce Springsteen, Joe Strummer, Iggy Pop, James Brown, Nick Drake, Brian Wilson, Miles Davis, and John Coltrane sitting off your list just for starters, and your reaction is to go with Ozzy Osbourne? Really?

i feel like bowie's absence is the most noticeable. he should go up against freddie mercury instead of brian may

[timb89]

you should have made it random? theres no way either paul or john should be out the first round....

[Robin.]

i feel like bowie's absence is the most noticeable. he should go up against freddie mercury instead of brian may

I actually liked that one! I didn't put Bowie in cause I didn't know against who to put him, but Freddie Mercury is a great choice thanks mate!

[Robin.]

im a huge brand new fan but jesse lacey has no business coming out of that group. he wouldnt be able to make it out of the first round if he wasnt against adam lazarra (why hes on here, i have no idea). if were actually talking about MUSICIANS, Jack White should come out of that group.

I don't know if I got that one out. Are you trying to say that Jack White is not a good musician?

[Robin.]

you should have made it random? theres no way either paul or john should be out the first round....

I wanted to have only one member from each band...But yeah I see your point and your right.

[taichadow]

I would like to use all my voting power against MGMT please.

[evvandflow]

I don't know if I got that one out. Are you trying to say that Jack White is not a good musician?

no, im saying he should win/advance from that group. hes the best musician.

[briewer]

I would like to use all my voting power against MGMT please.
Pound it, bro.

[152]

yeah put him up against another springsteen follower like Brandon Flowers or Win Butler.

brandon flowers would be too easy, especially on this site ahah

[zion the lion]

There are so many "genres" and a whole sex being ignored in this thing.

[Applebelly]

Neil Young Is The Guitar Master!

[AussieBoy]

no Milli Vanilli?

[taichadow]

There are so many "genres" and a whole sex being ignored in this thing.

ke$ha would instantly crush anyone else, so a women's division isn't really necessary

[Robin.]

due to the Kisss battle not having any movement I realized that I needed to change some, changed it to Bruce Springteen vs Elvis Costello instead (randomly, I know they are not that alike) but they are icons at their best.


Changed for the Sabbath battle between Dio and Ozzy...

[zion the lion]

ke$ha would instantly crush anyone else, so a women's division isn't really necessary

I think Kay Starr could kick Ke$ha's ass based on Wheel of Fortune alone, and hello...Patsy Cline? The Supremes?

[harley7733]

yeah as much as i love some of the people on this list, they all should lose to paul and john, putting them up against each other isnt fair.

[briewer]

ke$ha would instantly crush anyone else, so a women's division isn't really necessary
Yeah...no.

[The Indigo]

No real complaints about the list. Could be a little less white male-centric though.

[briewer]

This has been made sticky? Really?

[EasySkankin]

didn't read through the thread but theres no such thing as a best musician. It's fucking art

[theguy77]

yeah this didn't deserve a sticky. this whole thing is representing a lot of artists that don't need to be represented and the other way around too.

[Robin.]

yeah this didn't deserve a sticky. this whole thing is representing a lot of artists that don't need to be represented and the other way around too.

What do you mean by that?

[El_Jeffe]

The bloke asked for it to be stickied. He's starting a heap of threads that will hopefully draw out some good debates, & maybe even get some members to check out some past greats. I was fine with it, & it's not like it's forever.

[BornUnderPunches]

it's just for fun. It's not like who the people of ap.net decide is the better artist IS, in fact, the better artist.

[zion the lion]

What do you mean by that?

I think he means you basically have a chunk of overrated artists that all come from one or two genres and thats it. There's one rap thing, there's one for women and thats it the rest are pretty much generic, it doesnt take much thought.

[aoftbsten]

This is a cool idea, kind of like that march madness thing AP did, but world cup style?

Thought it would have been Jesse Lacey vs. John Nolan though.

[theguy77]

What do you mean by that?

being totally honest, i just feel like the artists you chose were all the cliche` "iconic" musicians, and i feel like that doesn't necessarily represent the best musicians/artists and that plenty of them get more praise than they deserve. for example, there are way better (not to mention much more authentic) figures in modern "punk" music than billie joe armstrong, slash is an overrated guitarist just because he was in a popular classic rock band and has a unique "image", etc. this doesn't really represent the best musicians/artists, just the biggest ones in popular culture. i mean, it's almost like VH1 picked the artists for these polls :shrug:

[Chromefox]

Why is this a sticky? AP already did this to our forum last year and it was annoying as shit then too.

[Until The Bombs]

Wah wah wah. I just want to know when I can vote.

[theguy77]

this also fails to account for the fact that lead guitarists and lead singers are not the only good musicians. even if we're just talking about a rock/pop music context, where only rock instruments are featured, i'd choose victor wooten or buddy rich over almost all of these people. i can understand, however, feeling like way more people will vote for a frontman over someone who plays an instrument that has less of a lead role, and in that sense it might be pointless to include them.

[x1onexwo1fx]

wasn't last year's march madness based on some list of most popular bands from some site? can't remember the details, but that was legit. but anyway, now this guy comes in feeling he's almighty and he can just choose off the top of his head who the best musicians are and then match them up however which way he wants? and then a whole thread full of people complain about it and he barely changes a thing? i'm boycotting.

[theguy77]

wasn't last year's march madness based on some list of most popular bands from some site? can't remember the details, but that was legit. but anyway, now this guy comes in feeling he's almighty and he can just choose off the top of his head who the best musicians are and then match them up however which way he wants? and then a whole thread full of people complain about it and he barely changes a thing? i'm boycotting.

don't get mad at the guy, i do think at least that it's good that he's doing something to inspire discussion on these boards because no one else is really doing that. i mean, thats why im participating in some of these poll threads anyway despite the fact that he could have dug a little bit deeper when coming up with the artists in question.

[x1onexwo1fx]

don't get mad at the guy, i do think at least that it's good that he's doing something to inspire discussion on these boards because no one else is really doing that. i just think he could have gone about it a bit better.

more like a lot better. but you do have a point. it just doesn't help that most of the "discussion" in this particular thread has been complaints, and that's on him.

[theguy77]

i hope i dont have to choose between thom yorke and someone who did a lot to progress music, that'd tap into my bias. hard to vote against someone who makes your favorite tunes.

[kearn1tm]

This thread is the worst.

[IntoTheSun]

Did this seriously just get dropped from the 'sticky' because Todd said this was a bad thread? I must be imagining things hahaha.

[theguy77]

Did this seriously just get dropped from the 'sticky' because Todd said this was a bad thread? I must be imagining things hahaha.

hahahahahaha

nah, im sure craig just kind of realized it wasn't in the best interest of the music forum if so many people were complaining about it.

[x1onexwo1fx]

underestimate your power you mustn't, ryan. much potential you have. haha.