Band rips on All Time Low, Cobra Starship, the bad Attack Attack! in song

[AussieBoy]

some philly bands track 'Something Personal' on their myspace rips in at Glamour Kills kids, ATL, Cobra starship. etc

songs ok, a little bit like Motion City, but not as good, thought it was controversial and worth a mention



http://www.myspace.com/brightandearly

[*Ro']

Lyrics or it didn't happen.

[gr33ndayfr3ak]

This was posted on the main page music player months ago. Great song, great band, but old news. Sorry buddy.

[FueledByRock]

http://musiklounge.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/late-pass-1.jpg

[introduction]

wow I'd forgotten about this. I need to listen to this again.

[AussieBoy]

This was posted on the main page music player months ago. Great song, great band, but old news. Sorry buddy.

http://musiklounge.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/late-pass-1.jpg

yeah but we only got the internet last week down here in Australia

some show called Seinfeld is starting here on Tues... worth watching???

[aradiantsunrise]

THat's hardly ripping on All Time Low. They just say they won't pose like them. :shrug:

[AussieBoy]

THat's hardly ripping on All Time Low. They just say they won't pose like them. :shrug:

Ill change it to mildly sledging them then, would you like that mate?

[aradiantsunrise]

Ill change it to mildly sledging them then, would you like that mate?
I'm just saying, haha. ;-)

[Burn_Burn_Burn]

yeah but we only got the internet last week down here in Australia

some show called Seinfeld is starting here on Tues... worth watching???

Yeah I live in Texas..some people don't even know what the interwebz are.

Also, there's this new show on called Golden Girls..should I watch it?

[maxvsmaradona]

Dearest OP, JB, singer of Bright and Early, who put out "Something Personal" doesn't really rip on Cobra Starship. If you listen to the lyrics correctly, he says

Why does everyone hate Cobra Starship?
Isn't it time Gabe filled his pockets?

JB is becoming a good friend of mine, and I know that the guy's obsessed with Midtown

edit: And the song is very good, as is the rest of the EP.

[roughroads]

Not bad song(s), but I don't see how referencing a couple bands in they lyrics makes them news worthy...

[SmittyMA]

THat's hardly ripping on All Time Low. They just say they won't pose like them. :shrug:

he actually says "I won't strike a pose like All Time Low."

the way I took it, he's saying they won't be little prettyboys like the guys from ATL and will be more about the music than the image. but that's just my interpretation. I'd say that's a pretty good slam if you tell a musician they only make it on looks.

[aradiantsunrise]

he actually says "I won't strike a pose like All Time Low."

the way I took it, he's saying they won't be little prettyboys like the guys from ATL and will be more about the music than the image. but that's just my interpretation. I'd say that's a pretty good slam if you tell a musician they only make it on looks.
I suppose. That band basically has the same look ATL has though. Not bashing them at all but they hardly look much different from each other.

[SmittyMA]

I suppose. That band basically has the same look ATL has though. Not bashing them at all but they hardly look much different from each other.

I can see that. I was just pointing it out. The song is really critical, I don't know if I agree with all of it, but it's not bad. Then again, how many bands have taken the "let's bash the scene in a song!" route and ended up becoming what they criticized?

[PaperLantern]

He also said something about wanting to "attack attack alex and jack" so, minor ATL rip.

Also, did anyone catch the part, "And I'm so ashamed to say, that I stopped liking Green Day"

[Stavie Steelo]

It's more a bash towards Green Day if anything. What is he talking about Alex and Jack no one in Attack Attack is even named that.

[SmittyMA]

It's more a bash towards Green Day if anything. What is he talking about Alex and Jack no one in Attack Attack is even named that.

That's what turned me off the song. The Green Day hating is getting way out of hand, IMO.

[aradiantsunrise]

I can see that. I was just pointing it out. The song is really critical, I don't know if I agree with all of it, but it's not bad. Then again, how many bands have taken the "let's bash the scene in a song!" route and ended up becoming what they criticized?
The song is enjoyable and yeah, you're right. That happens quite often.

[aradiantsunrise]

It's more a bash towards Green Day if anything. What is he talking about Alex and Jack no one in Attack Attack is even named that.
Like to fight them I guess.

[PaperLantern]

It's more a bash towards Green Day if anything. What is he talking about Alex and Jack no one in Attack Attack is even named that.
Alex and Jack of All Time Low.

[Rach1980]

hip-hop artists have been doing this for years, think its hilarious that people are surprised that different genres are picking up on the idea that it creates controversy and boosts sales....welcome to publicity people....

[aradiantsunrise]

While the song is fun, taking shots at other bands/artists in a song is rather juvenile. It's almost as bad as covering a top 40 hit to try to make it to the top or to get noticed. Just giving my honest opinion.

[PaperLantern]

While the song is fun, taking shots at other bands/artists in a song is rather juvenile. It's almost as bad as covering a top 40 hit to try to make it to the top or to get noticed. Just giving my honest opinion.
I would cover a top 40 hit if it meant getting noticed. Just sayin

[maxvsmaradona]

I can see that. I was just pointing it out. The song is really critical, I don't know if I agree with all of it, but it's not bad. Then again, how many bands have taken the "let's bash the scene in a song!" route and ended up becoming what they criticized?

They won't become what they criticize, though. Their EP isn't anything like ATL/Green Day/Cobra

[aradiantsunrise]

I would cover a top 40 hit if it meant getting noticed. Just sayin
I just think bands should do their own thing. If they want to get noticed they should be capable of creating their own music/lyrics and have enough confidence to show it to the world and hope it's good enough so people start caring about it instead of doing it the easy way and covering some really popular Lady GaGa/pop/country/rap/whatever song. I really wish I could word that better but I hardly slept so I'm pretty out of it at the moment.

[meroki22]

While the song is fun, taking shots at other bands/artists in a song is rather juvenile. It's almost as bad as covering a top 40 hit to try to make it to the top or to get noticed. Just giving my honest opinion.

I don't know maybe it's because I share the same sentiments as them but it just seemed like they were pissed off about the state of the scene and wrote a song about it. Not too crazy

[aradiantsunrise]

I don't know maybe it's because I share the same sentiments as them but it just seemed like they were pissed off about the state of the scene and wrote a song about it. Not too crazy
That's fine but I don't think it's necessary to name drop in the song. Everyone knows bands like Attack Attack and Cobra Starship (Personally I don't think All Time Low are doing anything wrong) are awful, except for those who are too naive to understand what's wrong about those bands. A good example of a band's feelings on the scene would be ''Devoid'' by Farewell. Lyrics aren't perfect but it gets the point across.

[lastchancegdbye]

I like his voice, it's a little fierce, kinda reminds me of Kenny Vasoli a little

[Stavie Steelo]

To me it sounds weird to hear other bands names in songs; hard to explain.

[drevans18]

its a good song. lyrics are interesting. lyrics about bands? at least this is better than Gym Class Heroes' "taxi driver". because that song was just terrible...

[drevans18]

hip-hop artists have been doing this for years, think its hilarious that people are surprised that different genres are picking up on the idea that it creates controversy and boosts sales....welcome to publicity people....

.... welcome to AP.net....

[JayBee420]

While the song is fun, taking shots at other bands/artists in a song is rather juvenile. It's almost as bad as covering a top 40 hit to try to make it to the top or to get noticed. Just giving my honest opinion.

One of my friends sent me a link to this thread. I'm kinda flattered! However, I feel that I need to address some things. Keep in mind, I could've just acted "professional" and pretended that I was too cool to read about my band on AP.net . I'm definitely not cooler than that, so I don't see a reason to pretend like I am.

Why is it juvenile to make fun of something that I dislike? If I were to have taken shots at fake politicians or Americas war on terror, would it have been as juvenile? It's only considered juvenile, because ATL is considered juvenile. If I had picked a better fight, no one would be calling it a gimmick or any of that nonsense.

Truthfully, I just can't stand ATL, juvenile or not. We feel that they do EVERYTHING based on growing bigger and making more money, and its at the EXPENSE of the fans who love them. They've done this from the start. And YES, we are different. We don't want anything even close to what they have, but then people call us jealous of their success. Their success is plastic and it won't last forever. We are actually going to donate the proceeds of our EP to a charity, in an ACTION based effort to be different. That's also why we are calling our EP "Louder Than Words." We believe that if its meant to be, and if we can prove our sincerety, our fans will support us either way.

Please keep in mind, pissing everyone off doesn't exactly help our band. I just feel that by being real with my feelings, popular or not, I will make a TRUE connection with people who agree with me. If they don't like what we are doing, they can simply just listen to something else, or write a song about how much they hate us. Either way, it won't change what WE want to do.

My comment about "not posing like All Time Low" really was more about that promo pic they did in their panties. I would look terrible in a pair of tighty whities. Just imagine a long haired marshmellow with back pimples in a pair of undies. Not hot. Calling them "shitty hacks" was about their doctored up autotuned tracks. This is a tough arguement, because most people can't hear the difference between raw, and processed recordings. I can. I've been in and out of studios my whole life. Someday Im going to build one and produce bands in this scene. Every one of my bands, has been real and raw! The High Court was the only time I ever used autotune, and it was only on our first demo at the request of the other dudes in the band. Since then, I've sworn it off. The entire THC full length is raw and autotune free. Bright and Early's EP, same way. With our EP, what you hear is what you get. If we suck sometimes or show our flaws, thats just the reality in it, and we won't fake it.

I play pop-punk because I simply can't/don't want to grow up. I was in another band before Bright and Early called Spells and Curses. It was a piano rock band kinda like, Keane meets Gatsby. We recorded an entire EP and never released it. Andrew from TREOS even played drums on it too and it was siiiick! We kept everything real in that band, including live piano and other real key sounds, plus we recorded it ourselves. I plan to put it out somewhere down the road when all of us have more free time, and money to support it. However, none of us loved it enough to sacrifice for it.

The point of all these paragraphs is to shed some light on why I am doing what I am doing. I'm 25 years old. Thats like 85 in pop-punk years. You could definitely say I've reached a quarter life crisis of some sort. If anything, I just feel that I've reached a point in my life, where I need to write what I feel, and I have to do it without holding back at all. I love the shit out of the underground music scene, but I HATE the people who exploit it. I might write a song where I name drop all of the shit bag industry people who take advantage of bands and hurt their careers. This will definitely ensure that we go nowhere, unless we make REAL fans who support what we are doing. When you have REAL fans, you don't need ANYONE else.

I really just want to do what I love, and everyone should just take it or leave it. I love making fun of bands when I think they suck. Haven't you guys ever sat around with your friends saying "that band is lame" or something of that nature? Why is it so terrible to write about it? I've been in and around the music scene for a long time. My last band was signed to I Surrender, did Warped 07, Bamboozle 07, and toured with some really big bands. "Getting noticed" is actually way easier than a lot of bands seem to understand. Please give me a little more credit than that guys.

The "band basher" song is also the only one like it that we have on the EP and the truth is that it wasn't about BASHING anyone in particular, but more about what they do. Gabe sticking with Cobra instead of reuniting Midtown truthfully pisses me off because I always felt that Midtown stood as part of the heart of NJ in that catchy Pop-Punk Scene. I know I know, LIFETIME!!! Fuck me. lol.

Instead of letting me feel how I want, everyone has attacked me for it, telling me that "Cobra is really successful and it'd be stupid for Gabe to give that up." Where I even agree with that statement, the truth sucks. No matter how successful Cobra gets, I still prefer Midtown. However, Gabe has always been an awesome dude to me, and I respect what he has done. It's not like Midtown was the biggest band in the world back then. Gabe has worked his ass off.

If my main intention was to hate on ATL, I could've come up with way better shit to say. I know some terribly personal shit about those dudes haha! Wouldn't it have been more juvenile to spill that stuff?? The truth is that the song is about my personal discontent with the music scene. Bands have become more about fashion and getting huge, than putting on a great show and writing songs that people can connect with on a truthfully personal level.

We have a bunch of things planned that will "get us noticed." There will be more press releases and what not, but we plan to set an example. I know that may be hard to understand given the fact that we have long hair and wear plaid, but we havent aimed our band at showcasing the way we look. I mean, we took 2 pictures thus far shooter. One was in front of a garage door, and the other was in front of a dilapidated wood shed. I wouldn't say that we're trying too hard. We are similar in the way that both bands have ok looking dudes in them... I mean, we do try to look our best, but even if we weren't in this band, we wouldnt want to look like slobs.

I'm not sure what else to say. I'm really sorry for the novel here. If anyone has any questions about our band, please just ask. I'd prefer you understand what we are about, rather than get the wrong idea and dismiss it.

[SmittyMA]

They won't become what they criticize, though. Their EP isn't anything like ATL/Green Day/Cobra

#1. I hope they don't either, but you don't know the future. No one does. I wasn't necessarily saying they will follow that route, I just know that it's a scenario that plays out far too often.

#2. NEVER, EVER put Green Day in the same breath at All Time Low and Cobra Starship. You fools take this Green Day hating way too far. WAY too far. I feel like the criticism of this band has become the "cool" thing to do and that keeps fueling it. Open your ears and remember how good this band is. Then listen to ATL and tell me it's the same garbage. Please.

[UnderclasHero]

Lol I like this, think its really funny ( just the second song)

[HometownHero]

One of my friends sent me a link to this thread. I'm kinda flattered! However, I feel that I need to address some things. Keep in mind, I could've just acted "professional" and pretended that I was too cool to read about my band on AP.net . I'm definitely not cooler than that, so I don't see a reason to pretend like I am.

Why is it juvenile to make fun of something that I dislike? If I were to have taken shots at fake politicians or Americas war on terror, would it have been as juvenile? It's only considered juvenile, because ATL is considered juvenile. If I had picked a better fight, no one would be calling it a gimmick or any of that nonsense.

Truthfully, I just can't stand ATL, juvenile or not. We feel that they do EVERYTHING based on growing bigger and making more money, and its at the EXPENSE of the fans who love them. They've done this from the start. And YES, we are different. We don't want anything even close to what they have, but then people call us jealous of their success. Their success is plastic and it won't last forever. We are actually going to donate the proceeds of our EP to a charity, in an ACTION based effort to be different. That's also why we are calling our EP "Louder Than Words." We believe that if its meant to be, and if we can prove our sincerety, our fans will support us either way.

Please keep in mind, pissing everyone off doesn't exactly help our band. I just feel that by being real with my feelings, popular or not, I will make a TRUE connection with people who agree with me. If they don't like what we are doing, they can simply just listen to something else, or write a song about how much they hate us. Either way, it won't change what WE want to do.

My comment about "not posing like All Time Low" really was more about that promo pic they did in their panties. I would look terrible in a pair of tighty whities. Just imagine a long haired marshmellow with back pimples in a pair of undies. Not hot. Calling them "shitty hacks" was about their doctored up autotuned tracks. This is a tough arguement, because most people can't hear the difference between raw, and processed recordings. I can. I've been in and out of studios my whole life. Someday Im going to build one and produce bands in this scene. Every one of my bands, has been real and raw! The High Court was the only time I ever used autotune, and it was only on our first demo at the request of the other dudes in the band. Since then, I've sworn it off. The entire THC full length is raw and autotune free. Bright and Early's EP, same way. With our EP, what you hear is what you get. If we suck sometimes or show our flaws, thats just the reality in it, and we won't fake it.

I play pop-punk because I simply can't/don't want to grow up. I was in another band before Bright and Early called Spells and Curses. It was a piano rock band kinda like, Keane meets Gatsby. We recorded an entire EP and never released it. Andrew from TREOS even played drums on it too and it was siiiick! We kept everything real in that band, including live piano and other real key sounds, plus we recorded it ourselves. I plan to put it out somewhere down the road when all of us have more free time, and money to support it. However, none of us loved it enough to sacrifice for it.

The point of all these paragraphs is to shed some light on why I am doing what I am doing. I'm 25 years old. Thats like 85 in pop-punk years. You could definitely say I've reached a quarter life crisis of some sort. If anything, I just feel that I've reached a point in my life, where I need to write what I feel, and I have to do it without holding back at all. I love the shit out of the underground music scene, but I HATE the people who exploit it. I might write a song where I name drop all of the shit bag industry people who take advantage of bands and hurt their careers. This will definitely ensure that we go nowhere, unless we make REAL fans who support what we are doing. When you have REAL fans, you don't need ANYONE else.

I really just want to do what I love, and everyone should just take it or leave it. I love making fun of bands when I think they suck. Haven't you guys ever sat around with your friends saying "that band is lame" or something of that nature? Why is it so terrible to write about it? I've been in and around the music scene for a long time. My last band was signed to I Surrender, did Warped 07, Bamboozle 07, and toured with some really big bands. "Getting noticed" is actually way easier than a lot of bands seem to understand. Please give me a little more credit than that guys.

The "band basher" song is also the only one like it that we have on the EP and the truth is that it wasn't about BASHING anyone in particular, but more about what they do. Gabe sticking with Cobra instead of reuniting Midtown truthfully pisses me off because I always felt that Midtown stood as part of the heart of NJ in that catchy Pop-Punk Scene. I know I know, LIFETIME!!! Fuck me. lol.

Instead of letting me feel how I want, everyone has attacked me for it, telling me that "Cobra is really successful and it'd be stupid for Gabe to give that up." Where I even agree with that statement, the truth sucks. No matter how successful Cobra gets, I still prefer Midtown. However, Gabe has always been an awesome dude to me, and I respect what he has done. It's not like Midtown was the biggest band in the world back then. Gabe has worked his ass off.

If my main intention was to hate on ATL, I could've come up with way better shit to say. I know some terribly personal shit about those dudes haha! Wouldn't it have been more juvenile to spill that stuff?? The truth is that the song is about my personal discontent with the music scene. Bands have become more about fashion and getting huge, than putting on a great show and writing songs that people can connect with on a truthfully personal level.

We have a bunch of things planned that will "get us noticed." There will be more press releases and what not, but we plan to set an example. I know that may be hard to understand given the fact that we have long hair and wear plaid, but we havent aimed our band at showcasing the way we look. I mean, we took 2 pictures thus far shooter. One was in front of a garage door, and the other was in front of a dilapidated wood shed. I wouldn't say that we're trying too hard. We are similar in the way that both bands have ok looking dudes in them... I mean, we do try to look our best, but even if we weren't in this band, we wouldnt want to look like slobs.

I'm not sure what else to say. I'm really sorry for the novel here. If anyone has any questions about our band, please just ask. I'd prefer you understand what we are about, rather than get the wrong idea and dismiss it.
:appl: That is all. I came in to say stuff about how I love the song blah, blah, blah but this is brilliant. Well done sir

[maxvsmaradona]

John Browne comes in and drops knowledge on us for an epic win. JB, you are the man.

[aradiantsunrise]

One of my friends sent me a link to this thread. I'm kinda flattered! However, I feel that I need to address some things. Keep in mind, I could've just acted "professional" and pretended that I was too cool to read about my band on AP.net . I'm definitely not cooler than that, so I don't see a reason to pretend like I am.

Why is it juvenile to make fun of something that I dislike? If I were to have taken shots at fake politicians or Americas war on terror, would it have been as juvenile? It's only considered juvenile, because ATL is considered juvenile. If I had picked a better fight, no one would be calling it a gimmick or any of that nonsense.

Truthfully, I just can't stand ATL, juvenile or not. We feel that they do EVERYTHING based on growing bigger and making more money, and its at the EXPENSE of the fans who love them. They've done this from the start. And YES, we are different. We don't want anything even close to what they have, but then people call us jealous of their success. Their success is plastic and it won't last forever. We are actually going to donate the proceeds of our EP to a charity, in an ACTION based effort to be different. That's also why we are calling our EP "Louder Than Words." We believe that if its meant to be, and if we can prove our sincerety, our fans will support us either way.

Please keep in mind, pissing everyone off doesn't exactly help our band. I just feel that by being real with my feelings, popular or not, I will make a TRUE connection with people who agree with me. If they don't like what we are doing, they can simply just listen to something else, or write a song about how much they hate us. Either way, it won't change what WE want to do.

My comment about "not posing like All Time Low" really was more about that promo pic they did in their panties. I would look terrible in a pair of tighty whities. Just imagine a long haired marshmellow with back pimples in a pair of undies. Not hot. Calling them "shitty hacks" was about their doctored up autotuned tracks. This is a tough arguement, because most people can't hear the difference between raw, and processed recordings. I can. I've been in and out of studios my whole life. Someday Im going to build one and produce bands in this scene. Every one of my bands, has been real and raw! The High Court was the only time I ever used autotune, and it was only on our first demo at the request of the other dudes in the band. Since then, I've sworn it off. The entire THC full length is raw and autotune free. Bright and Early's EP, same way. With our EP, what you hear is what you get. If we suck sometimes or show our flaws, thats just the reality in it, and we won't fake it.

I play pop-punk because I simply can't/don't want to grow up. I was in another band before Bright and Early called Spells and Curses. It was a piano rock band kinda like, Keane meets Gatsby. We recorded an entire EP and never released it. Andrew from TREOS even played drums on it too and it was siiiick! We kept everything real in that band, including live piano and other real key sounds, plus we recorded it ourselves. I plan to put it out somewhere down the road when all of us have more free time, and money to support it. However, none of us loved it enough to sacrifice for it.

The point of all these paragraphs is to shed some light on why I am doing what I am doing. I'm 25 years old. Thats like 85 in pop-punk years. You could definitely say I've reached a quarter life crisis of some sort. If anything, I just feel that I've reached a point in my life, where I need to write what I feel, and I have to do it without holding back at all. I love the shit out of the underground music scene, but I HATE the people who exploit it. I might write a song where I name drop all of the shit bag industry people who take advantage of bands and hurt their careers. This will definitely ensure that we go nowhere, unless we make REAL fans who support what we are doing. When you have REAL fans, you don't need ANYONE else.

I really just want to do what I love, and everyone should just take it or leave it. I love making fun of bands when I think they suck. Haven't you guys ever sat around with your friends saying "that band is lame" or something of that nature? Why is it so terrible to write about it? I've been in and around the music scene for a long time. My last band was signed to I Surrender, did Warped 07, Bamboozle 07, and toured with some really big bands. "Getting noticed" is actually way easier than a lot of bands seem to understand. Please give me a little more credit than that guys.

The "band basher" song is also the only one like it that we have on the EP and the truth is that it wasn't about BASHING anyone in particular, but more about what they do. Gabe sticking with Cobra instead of reuniting Midtown truthfully pisses me off because I always felt that Midtown stood as part of the heart of NJ in that catchy Pop-Punk Scene. I know I know, LIFETIME!!! Fuck me. lol.

Instead of letting me feel how I want, everyone has attacked me for it, telling me that "Cobra is really successful and it'd be stupid for Gabe to give that up." Where I even agree with that statement, the truth sucks. No matter how successful Cobra gets, I still prefer Midtown. However, Gabe has always been an awesome dude to me, and I respect what he has done. It's not like Midtown was the biggest band in the world back then. Gabe has worked his ass off.

If my main intention was to hate on ATL, I could've come up with way better shit to say. I know some terribly personal shit about those dudes haha! Wouldn't it have been more juvenile to spill that stuff?? The truth is that the song is about my personal discontent with the music scene. Bands have become more about fashion and getting huge, than putting on a great show and writing songs that people can connect with on a truthfully personal level.

We have a bunch of things planned that will "get us noticed." There will be more press releases and what not, but we plan to set an example. I know that may be hard to understand given the fact that we have long hair and wear plaid, but we havent aimed our band at showcasing the way we look. I mean, we took 2 pictures thus far shooter. One was in front of a garage door, and the other was in front of a dilapidated wood shed. I wouldn't say that we're trying too hard. We are similar in the way that both bands have ok looking dudes in them... I mean, we do try to look our best, but even if we weren't in this band, we wouldnt want to look like slobs.

I'm not sure what else to say. I'm really sorry for the novel here. If anyone has any questions about our band, please just ask. I'd prefer you understand what we are about, rather than get the wrong idea and dismiss it.

I just felt some of the lyrics in the song weren't necessary. They just sounded silly when sung in all honesty. I know ATL isn't exactly the perfect example of what a band should be but their just a pop rock band doing their thing, even if it is in the vein of Blink-182 and other similar bands without ripping them off. The photo of them in their underwear is years old, probably around the time So Wrong It's Right was released. They seemed to have matured a little bit since then. So many bands out there use autotune, even the ones that are praised to high hell on this website I'm sure. It's not like their overdoing it where the vocals become so distorted it's hard to make out what Alex is singing. There are far worse bands out there that should get crapped on. Boys Like Girls and We the Kings come to mind, using incredibly popular pop artists to help them retain their position at the top because their same old tired and uninspired songs aren't cutting it for them anymore. No band is perfect though, I'm not even a huge fan of ATL, I just think they are a genuine band who loves doing what they do and could care less about the fame and fortune otherwise they'd be even involved in a bunch of dumb shit right now.

I'm not trying to shit on your band at all because I do honestly think the music is good and the vocals are good, I just have a few issues with the lyrics and that particular song.

[maxvsmaradona]

I'm not trying to shit on your band at all because I do honestly think the music is good and the vocals are good, I just have a few issues with the lyrics and that particular song.

then that's probably gonna be the only song lyrics on the EP that you'll dislike. Seriously, the EP is gold.

[JayBee420]

#1. I hope they don't either, but you don't know the future. No one does. I wasn't necessarily saying they will follow that route, I just know that it's a scenario that plays out far too often.

#2. NEVER, EVER put Green Day in the same breath at All Time Low and Cobra Starship. You fools take this Green Day hating way too far. WAY too far. I feel like the criticism of this band has become the "cool" thing to do and that keeps fueling it. Open your ears and remember how good this band is. Then listen to ATL and tell me it's the same garbage. Please.


Listen man. It's not hating on Greenday. I've literally been listening to Greenday since you were 3 years old. I love EVERYTHING Greenday did up until Warning. I even loved Warning. However, after that they changed into "GREENDAY" and turned into a money making machine. Its not me hating, its me being bummed as fuck that I can't even like HALF of a Greenday record anymore. Beyond the makeup and the whole "broadway" thing, I just don't like the songs anymore.

[aradiantsunrise]

then that's probably gonna be the only song lyrics on the EP that you'll dislike. Seriously, the EP is gold.
When is it coming out?

[maxvsmaradona]

When is it coming out?

Uh, next month I think. Ask JB ^^

[HometownHero]

Yeah when is that EP coming out. So many bastards around this site have heard it already and I want to buy that shit

[maxvsmaradona]

Yeah when is that EP coming out. So many bastards around this site have heard it already and I want to buy that shit

Woah name calling! I'm not a bastard!

[HometownHero]

Woah name calling! I'm not a bastard!
You've heard the EP? Bastard M-(

I'm a fan of Hand Me Down Buick <3

[maxvsmaradona]

You've heard the EP? Bastard M-(

I cup JB's balls irl, so yes, I've heard it.

I'm a fan of Hand Me Down Buick <3

I'm a fan of you.

[simplejack]

One of my friends sent me a link to this thread. I'm kinda flattered! However, I feel that I need to address some things. Keep in mind, I could've just acted "professional" and pretended that I was too cool to read about my band on AP.net . I'm definitely not cooler than that, so I don't see a reason to pretend like I am.

Why is it juvenile to make fun of something that I dislike? If I were to have taken shots at fake politicians or Americas war on terror, would it have been as juvenile? It's only considered juvenile, because ATL is considered juvenile. If I had picked a better fight, no one would be calling it a gimmick or any of that nonsense.

Truthfully, I just can't stand ATL, juvenile or not. We feel that they do EVERYTHING based on growing bigger and making more money, and its at the EXPENSE of the fans who love them. They've done this from the start. And YES, we are different. We don't want anything even close to what they have, but then people call us jealous of their success. Their success is plastic and it won't last forever. We are actually going to donate the proceeds of our EP to a charity, in an ACTION based effort to be different. That's also why we are calling our EP "Louder Than Words." We believe that if its meant to be, and if we can prove our sincerety, our fans will support us either way.

Please keep in mind, pissing everyone off doesn't exactly help our band. I just feel that by being real with my feelings, popular or not, I will make a TRUE connection with people who agree with me. If they don't like what we are doing, they can simply just listen to something else, or write a song about how much they hate us. Either way, it won't change what WE want to do.

My comment about "not posing like All Time Low" really was more about that promo pic they did in their panties. I would look terrible in a pair of tighty whities. Just imagine a long haired marshmellow with back pimples in a pair of undies. Not hot. Calling them "shitty hacks" was about their doctored up autotuned tracks. This is a tough arguement, because most people can't hear the difference between raw, and processed recordings. I can. I've been in and out of studios my whole life. Someday Im going to build one and produce bands in this scene. Every one of my bands, has been real and raw! The High Court was the only time I ever used autotune, and it was only on our first demo at the request of the other dudes in the band. Since then, I've sworn it off. The entire THC full length is raw and autotune free. Bright and Early's EP, same way. With our EP, what you hear is what you get. If we suck sometimes or show our flaws, thats just the reality in it, and we won't fake it.

I play pop-punk because I simply can't/don't want to grow up. I was in another band before Bright and Early called Spells and Curses. It was a piano rock band kinda like, Keane meets Gatsby. We recorded an entire EP and never released it. Andrew from TREOS even played drums on it too and it was siiiick! We kept everything real in that band, including live piano and other real key sounds, plus we recorded it ourselves. I plan to put it out somewhere down the road when all of us have more free time, and money to support it. However, none of us loved it enough to sacrifice for it.

The point of all these paragraphs is to shed some light on why I am doing what I am doing. I'm 25 years old. Thats like 85 in pop-punk years. You could definitely say I've reached a quarter life crisis of some sort. If anything, I just feel that I've reached a point in my life, where I need to write what I feel, and I have to do it without holding back at all. I love the shit out of the underground music scene, but I HATE the people who exploit it. I might write a song where I name drop all of the shit bag industry people who take advantage of bands and hurt their careers. This will definitely ensure that we go nowhere, unless we make REAL fans who support what we are doing. When you have REAL fans, you don't need ANYONE else.

I really just want to do what I love, and everyone should just take it or leave it. I love making fun of bands when I think they suck. Haven't you guys ever sat around with your friends saying "that band is lame" or something of that nature? Why is it so terrible to write about it? I've been in and around the music scene for a long time. My last band was signed to I Surrender, did Warped 07, Bamboozle 07, and toured with some really big bands. "Getting noticed" is actually way easier than a lot of bands seem to understand. Please give me a little more credit than that guys.

The "band basher" song is also the only one like it that we have on the EP and the truth is that it wasn't about BASHING anyone in particular, but more about what they do. Gabe sticking with Cobra instead of reuniting Midtown truthfully pisses me off because I always felt that Midtown stood as part of the heart of NJ in that catchy Pop-Punk Scene. I know I know, LIFETIME!!! Fuck me. lol.

Instead of letting me feel how I want, everyone has attacked me for it, telling me that "Cobra is really successful and it'd be stupid for Gabe to give that up." Where I even agree with that statement, the truth sucks. No matter how successful Cobra gets, I still prefer Midtown. However, Gabe has always been an awesome dude to me, and I respect what he has done. It's not like Midtown was the biggest band in the world back then. Gabe has worked his ass off.

If my main intention was to hate on ATL, I could've come up with way better shit to say. I know some terribly personal shit about those dudes haha! Wouldn't it have been more juvenile to spill that stuff?? The truth is that the song is about my personal discontent with the music scene. Bands have become more about fashion and getting huge, than putting on a great show and writing songs that people can connect with on a truthfully personal level.

We have a bunch of things planned that will "get us noticed." There will be more press releases and what not, but we plan to set an example. I know that may be hard to understand given the fact that we have long hair and wear plaid, but we havent aimed our band at showcasing the way we look. I mean, we took 2 pictures thus far shooter. One was in front of a garage door, and the other was in front of a dilapidated wood shed. I wouldn't say that we're trying too hard. We are similar in the way that both bands have ok looking dudes in them... I mean, we do try to look our best, but even if we weren't in this band, we wouldnt want to look like slobs.

I'm not sure what else to say. I'm really sorry for the novel here. If anyone has any questions about our band, please just ask. I'd prefer you understand what we are about, rather than get the wrong idea and dismiss it.

RESPECT for you, man. More musicians should be like you, really.

[FueledByRock]

yeah but we only got the internet last week down here in Australia

some show called Seinfeld is starting here on Tues... worth watching???
Eh, not too great. There's this show coming out called the Simpsons though, and it looks decent.

[aradiantsunrise]

Uh, next month I think. Ask JB ^^
I shall.

[SmittyMA]

Listen man. It's not hating on Greenday. I've literally been listening to Greenday since you were 3 years old. I love EVERYTHING Greenday did up until Warning. I even loved Warning. However, after that they changed into "GREENDAY" and turned into a money making machine. Its not me hating, its me being bummed as fuck that I can't even like HALF of a Greenday record anymore. Beyond the makeup and the whole "broadway" thing, I just don't like the songs anymore.

Nah man, I'm not ripping you. You ripped GD for their thing, you ripped ATL for theirs. This dude compared them. That's where I draw the line. I love this band, I won't let them be compared to trash. It's one thing to not like what they're doing, it is what it is. But no All Time Low comparisons. That comment wasn't directed toward you at all. I actually liked "Something Personal" a lot, I have no criticism lol.

[JayBee420]

RESPECT for you, man. More musicians should be like you, really.


Thanks man. I really appreciate the kind words! I just feel that musicians should put themselves into their writing....whatever that may be.

[JayBee420]

I just felt some of the lyrics in the song weren't necessary. They just sounded silly when sung in all honesty. I know ATL isn't exactly the perfect example of what a band should be but their just a pop rock band doing their thing, even if it is in the vein of Blink-182 and other similar bands without ripping them off. The photo of them in their underwear is years old, probably around the time So Wrong It's Right was released. They seemed to have matured a little bit since then. So many bands out there use autotune, even the ones that are praised to high hell on this website I'm sure. It's not like their overdoing it where the vocals become so distorted it's hard to make out what Alex is singing. There are far worse bands out there that should get crapped on. Boys Like Girls and We the Kings come to mind, using incredibly popular pop artists to help them retain their position at the top because their same old tired and uninspired songs aren't cutting it for them anymore. No band is perfect though, I'm not even a huge fan of ATL, I just think they are a genuine band who loves doing what they do and could care less about the fame and fortune otherwise they'd be even involved in a bunch of dumb shit right now.

I'm not trying to shit on your band at all because I do honestly think the music is good and the vocals are good, I just have a few issues with the lyrics and that particular song.


Where I am positive that I have a scewed perception on things, I am going to say that you do too. If ATL isn't worried about fame and fortune, what was the point of all the big expensive producers helping them write a mediocre album? What's with the JaGK clothing line?? Were these things just accidents? And with Alex using the autotune.... I agree that he does use it sparingly. Its bullshit because he CAN actually sing those songs, but he is going for "perfection" via computer programs. What this does, is tell younger bands that it's ok to use autotune. Autotune is like steroids for baseball. Cheat codes for video games. Roofies for picking up women. Etc. It comes down to your beliefs and ethics.

Even with all that being said. I didn't write it with yours, or anyone else's personal feelings in mind. I understand if you think the lyrics are silly, because they kinda definitely are...however, the point of THAT song was to humorously poke fun at these money machines. I can easily say that it isn't my best work, but its true to how I feel! It's your decision as to whether or not you want to hear the other songs. Either way, I'm just gonna keep doing my thing. I do however appreciate you at least checking us out! It's hard to get anyone to do that anymore.

[permanentdan]

yeah but we only got the internet last week down here in Australia

some show called Seinfeld is starting here on Tues... worth watching???


Hahaha that was classic

[JayBee420]

When is it coming out?


June 8th or 15th. Still unsure haha. Its just going to be a digital release to start with, but when we save enough money, we are going to press it ourselves. The first 500 people to buy our EP will also get a special thank you with their name in the artwork of the physical album sleeve. For people who can't wait, we are also going to set up a paypal for anyone who want us to burn them a high quality cd, with customized idiotic sharpee artwork, courtesy of the band! These people will also get their names in the artwork. Its tough man, we're doing everything ourselves. Its extremely difficult without money! haha. We'll make due.

[fly_guy]

This is good

[aradiantsunrise]

Where I am positive that I have a scewed perception on things, I am going to say that you do too. If ATL isn't worried about fame and fortune, what was the point of all the big expensive producers helping them write a mediocre album? What's with the JaGK clothing line?? Were these things just accidents? And with Alex using the autotune.... I agree that he does use it sparingly. Its bullshit because he CAN actually sing those songs, but he is going for "perfection" via computer programs. What this does, is tell younger bands that it's ok to use autotune. Autotune is like steroids for baseball. Cheat codes for video games. Roofies for picking up women. Etc. It comes down to your beliefs and ethics.

Even with all that being said. I didn't write it with yours, or anyone else's personal feelings in mind. I understand if you think the lyrics are silly, because they kinda definitely are...however, the point of THAT song was to humorously poke fun at these money machines. I can easily say that it isn't my best work, but its true to how I feel! It's your decision as to whether or not you want to hear the other songs. Either way, I'm just gonna keep doing my thing. I do however appreciate you at least checking us out! It's hard to get anyone to do that anymore.

It could have been the label's idea to get those producers for them, that's what happens when bands sign to a major label, they don't have as much say in things as they used to with indie labels. :shrug: Nothing's wrong with wanting to put out a clothing line, yeah the designs aren't anything special and looks like everything else but maybe Jack's passionate about that as well. I do agree with you that autotune shouldn't be something for a band to depend on but sparingly as you said isn't such a bad thing in my opinion although I would much rather prefer the real thing as well.

I'm always willing to check out new music and I'll check out the EP for sure despite how I feel about Something Personal, haha.

June 8th or 15th. Still unsure haha. Its just going to be a digital release to start with, but when we save enough money, we are going to press it ourselves. The first 500 people to buy our EP will also get a special thank you with their name in the artwork of the physical album sleeve. For people who can't wait, we are also going to set up a paypal for anyone who want us to burn them a high quality cd, with customized idiotic sharpee artwork, courtesy of the band! These people will also get their names in the artwork. Its tough man, we're doing everything ourselves. Its extremely difficult without money! haha. We'll make due.
That sounds really cool, I have a lot of respect for bands that do those kinds of things to show the fans that they care. The sharpee artwork deal sounds fun. Maybe I'll end up being one of those 500. ;-)

[Matthew Tsai]

June 8th or 15th. Still unsure haha. Its just going to be a digital release to start with, but when we save enough money, we are going to press it ourselves. The first 500 people to buy our EP will also get a special thank you with their name in the artwork of the physical album sleeve. For people who can't wait, we are also going to set up a paypal for anyone who want us to burn them a high quality cd, with customized idiotic sharpee artwork, courtesy of the band! These people will also get their names in the artwork. Its tough man, we're doing everything ourselves. Its extremely difficult without money! haha. We'll make due.

I would consider myself fairly jaded as far as, say, post-2006 pop-punk bands go because I think enough is enough, but as soon as I saw that you guys were donating proceeds from the EP to charity, you had my support. Great, great move.

[JayBee420]

I would consider myself fairly jaded as far as, say, post-2006 pop-punk bands go because I think enough is enough, but as soon as I saw that you guys were donating proceeds from the EP to charity, you had my support. Great, great move.

Thanks a lot man. We're just tired of the bands who rely on image and catchy autotuned hooks. Hooks are great, but there should be something behind them. Music should have some depth and creativity. With this idea in mind, were going with a music based charity for kids. When you grow up making music, it becomes a part of you just like breathing. I feel like it sounds cocky, but maybe in someway we can help kids to learn how to perform with instruments instead of ipods lol. No more Owl City! boo hoo : (

[AussieBoy]

Thanks a lot man. We're just tired of the bands who rely on image and catchy autotuned hooks. Hooks are great, but there should be something behind them. Music should have some depth and creativity. With this idea in mind, were going with a music based charity for kids. When you grow up making music, it becomes a part of you just like breathing. I feel like it sounds cocky, but maybe in someway we can help kids to learn how to perform with instruments instead of ipods lol. No more Owl City! boo hoo : (

you should hear the new songs by James Bourne ex-Busteds new project Future Boy, its terrible, i didnt mind the guilty catchy pop songs he did in Busted but this stuff is just completely jumping on what he thinks is a band wagon and is more auto-tuned than a Kanye West album

[AussieBoy]

http://www.myspace.com/futureboy



so so so shit

shouldnt even advertise it

[JayBee420]

http://www.myspace.com/futureboy



so so so shit

shouldnt even advertise it

Yeah man this shit is terrible. I'm not even phased by this kind of stuff. Making fun of it would be like slapping a baby.

[deFobbed14yrs]

Thanks man. I really appreciate the kind words! I just feel that musicians should put themselves into their writing....whatever that may be.

:beerbros:

hear hear!

[BornUnderPunches]

wasn't this on the AP Members Compilation?

*i've only read the first page of comments, if this has already been said I apoligize

[JayBee420]

:beerbros:

hear hear!

:drunk: im getting good at this!

[IntoTheSun]

Don't really listen to this kind of stuff, but I can appreciate good, fun pop punk every now and then. Those songs on your myspace were great. Keep at what you're doing! I have to say though, I don't see how writing about musicians that lack depth or sincerity make you own lyrics deep or sincere...but ya know, I could be reading your posts wrong.

[Fringe]

Wow. I really like A Wasted Life. Your stuff's not on Canadian iTunes :/

[mattattack!]

Where I am positive that I have a scewed perception on things, I am going to say that you do too. If ATL isn't worried about fame and fortune, what was the point of all the big expensive producers helping them write a mediocre album? What's with the JaGK clothing line?? Were these things just accidents? And with Alex using the autotune.... I agree that he does use it sparingly. Its bullshit because he CAN actually sing those songs, but he is going for "perfection" via computer programs. What this does, is tell younger bands that it's ok to use autotune. Autotune is like steroids for baseball. Cheat codes for video games. Roofies for picking up women. Etc. It comes down to your beliefs and ethics.

Even with all that being said. I didn't write it with yours, or anyone else's personal feelings in mind. I understand if you think the lyrics are silly, because they kinda definitely are...however, the point of THAT song was to humorously poke fun at these money machines. I can easily say that it isn't my best work, but its true to how I feel! It's your decision as to whether or not you want to hear the other songs. Either way, I'm just gonna keep doing my thing. I do however appreciate you at least checking us out! It's hard to get anyone to do that anymore.

Personally, I think that you're just a gimmick trying to be the "ideal" pop-punk band that does everything themselves and "does everything for the music and the fans," in order to appeal to the fan base you're going for. When in reality, you're just taking shots at bands and trying to step on them to advance your career. I've seen your posts in a lot of threads, and I think that you are really arrogant and cocky.

Now, on to All Time Low. The point of hiring all of the "big expensive producers" was to try to create the best album they could, it's as easy as that. If you have the ability to work with a great producer who has worked with some of your favorite artists, you would be an idiot to turn it down. So what Jack has a clothing line? I don't understand why people like you think that its a bad thing to try to make money? He makes clothes that he likes in his spare time on tour, or on off time at home when he's bored. What is wrong with taking your free time, and doing something productive that you enjoy during it? I see nothing wrong with him working on a clothing line in his free time and making a few bucks on the side. Alex can sing, and the amount of autotune they use is very minimal. They do use it to try to make the album sound perfect, but what is wrong with striving for perfection? If they want to use a technological advance in order to produce a higher quality product, then let them. In all honesty, I think that it's dumb that people criticize a band for trying to make money. I am not condoning selling out by any means though. I know that you are going to point out how their sound changed drastically to a more mainstream sound on Nothing Personal, so I'll save you the time and just bring it up already. First of all, every band changes from album to album. Personally, I am not a fan of Nothing Personal, but I still think that they wrote the songs because they liked and enjoyed writing them. They still make an effort to go out and talk to their fans after every show, and are some of the nicest dudes I've met. They worked very hard, probably harder than you, to get to where they are today, and they didn't have to tear down any other bands and try to ride off of their success to get there. They have been together and worked their asses off since their freshmen year of high school, and I think that they deserve and have earned everything that they have now.

[JayBee420]

Personally, I think that you're just a gimmick trying to be the "ideal" pop-punk band that does everything themselves and "does everything for the music and the fans," in order to appeal to the fan base you're going for. When in reality, you're just taking shots at bands and trying to step on them to advance your career. I've seen your posts in a lot of threads, and I think that you are really arrogant and cocky.

Now, on to All Time Low. The point of hiring all of the "big expensive producers" was to try to create the best album they could, it's as easy as that. If you have the ability to work with a great producer who has worked with some of your favorite artists, you would be an idiot to turn it down. So what Jack has a clothing line? I don't understand why people like you think that its a bad thing to try to make money? He makes clothes that he likes in his spare time on tour, or on off time at home when he's bored. What is wrong with taking your free time, and doing something productive that you enjoy during it? I see nothing wrong with him working on a clothing line in his free time and making a few bucks on the side. Alex can sing, and the amount of autotune they use is very minimal. They do use it to try to make the album sound perfect, but what is wrong with striving for perfection? If they want to use a technological advance in order to produce a higher quality product, then let them. In all honesty, I think that it's dumb that people criticize a band for trying to make money. I am not condoning selling out by any means though. I know that you are going to point out how their sound changed drastically to a more mainstream sound on Nothing Personal, so I'll save you the time and just bring it up already. First of all, every band changes from album to album. Personally, I am not a fan of Nothing Personal, but I still think that they wrote the songs because they liked and enjoyed writing them. They still make an effort to go out and talk to their fans after every show, and are some of the nicest dudes I've met. They worked very hard, probably harder than you, to get to where they are today, and they didn't have to tear down any other bands and try to ride off of their success to get there. They have been together and worked their asses off since their freshmen year of high school, and I think that they deserve and have earned everything that they have now.

Personally, and this is judging ONLY on your response, I think you're a typical brainwashed scene kid who has NO idea how things work. And as far as the "gimmick' comment goes, fuck you man haha. Are you also saying that Alex Gaskarth isn't cocky and arrogant? Because if so, I can 100% promise you that you have it fucked up lol. That's actually the only thing I like about him anymore. I wish ATL would give up on the record sales and just be natural. If YOU say that they are being natural already, then it seems to me that they're in this for the money and not much else.

I'm in a pop-punk band dude. This genre was started by guys just like me who were sick and tired of the mainstream bullshit controlling the ethics of the underground scene. Being 17, its basically IMPOSSIBLE for you to know what it was like when it was good. You are allowed to think it's good now, but I don't. Isn't it fair to let me express an opinion in my writing whether it be negative OR positive? It's not like I made up LIES about them or anything. Just singin' about the way I see it dude. It's only a 5 song EP and it has 4 other songs without any shit talk at all. I think it's hilarious how upset everyone is getting at my "band bashing." People have been bashing bands for years, especially in pop-punk. I don't really feel that I'm doing anything "ground breaking" here.

Even Butch Walker, one of ATL's producers has made fun of bands like Korn, Creed, and Kid Rock on his albums. God forbid I make fun
of bands in my own genre. Give me a break. The only difference between me and these other dudes, is that I have the BALLS to do it in public. I've spent a lot of time touring, and I can def say that most bands talk shit on other bands. It comes from ego, and fear. I'm not saying that I'm a perfect person, but more that I wear my flaws with pride.

Big expensive producers, cost a lot of money. This "opportunity" you speak of, is available to everyone for the right price. Bands who want to SELL more records go with these EXPENSIVE MAINSTREAM guys, instead of equally if not more talented unknown producers. They go with these producers, because they have PROVEN SALES. IN MY OPINIONNNN, Nothing Personal, was a weak expensive album that was aimed at making money. What has ATL done besides try to SELL things??? Please tell me because I would truthfully love to know. I can easily give credit where credit is due. I'm not a brainless idiot. Dude, if you can honestly clue me in and tell me why they are so great, and HOW they aren't money driven, then I would probably leave them alone and YOU could be the one who can change my mind. I'd even consider apologizing to them. It just hasn't happened yet. Truthfully, I've already left them alone, but everytime someone asks me why I wrote that song, I feel like I have to explain.

I understand if you are fan of their music, and I understand if you dislike me, but to me it should be about way more than writing catchy songs and "doing what you love." These guys love writing music and touring, for the purpose of making money. That's just how I see it dude.

JaGK has a clothing line so that ATL fans will BUY his stuff. He isn't out there trying to market his clothing line to ANYONE else. They're just trying to take advantage of their loving fanbase, to make money.

Call it a gimmick. Call me an arrogant asshole. It doesn't matter to me. If by some mistake I get famous from this, I'll probably write a record, donate it to a worthy charity, and put a bullet in my head so that it sells forever. I'd rather do something like that then exploit myself and my music for money.

I love that you gave your personal opinion, backed up with reasons for it. I truthfully appreciate that, because most people are too stupid to even know why they have an opinion. However, we just may never agree and that's life.

Take care man.

[mattattack!]

Personally, and this is judging ONLY on your response, I think you're a typical brainwashed scene kid who has NO idea how things work. And as far as the "gimmick' comment goes, fuck you man haha. Are you also saying that Alex Gaskarth isn't cocky and arrogant? Because if so, I can 100% promise you that you have it fucked up lol. That's actually the only thing I like about him anymore. I wish ATL would give up on the record sales and just be natural. If YOU say that they are being natural already, then it seems to me that they're in this for the money and not much else.

I'm in a pop-punk band dude. This genre was started by guys just like me who were sick and tired of the mainstream bullshit controlling the ethics of the underground scene. Being 17, its basically IMPOSSIBLE for you to know what it was like when it was good. You are allowed to think it's good now, but I don't. Isn't it fair to let me express an opinion in my writing whether it be negative OR positive? It's not like I made up LIES about them or anything. Just singin' about the way I see it dude. It's only a 5 song EP and it has 4 other songs without any shit talk at all. I think it's hilarious how upset everyone is getting at my "band bashing." People have been bashing bands for years, especially in pop-punk. I don't really feel that I'm doing anything "ground breaking" here.

Even Butch Walker, one of ATL's producers has made fun of bands like Korn, Creed, and Kid Rock on his albums. God forbid I make fun
of bands in my own genre. Give me a break. The only difference between me and these other dudes, is that I have the BALLS to do it in public. I've spent a lot of time touring, and I can def say that most bands talk shit on other bands. It comes from ego, and fear. I'm not saying that I'm a perfect person, but more that I wear my flaws with pride.

Big expensive producers, cost a lot of money. This "opportunity" you speak of, is available to everyone for the right price. Bands who want to SELL more records go with these EXPENSIVE MAINSTREAM guys, instead of equally if not more talented unknown producers. They go with these producers, because they have PROVEN SALES. IN MY OPINIONNNN, Nothing Personal, was a weak expensive album that was aimed at making money. What has ATL done besides try to SELL things??? Please tell me because I would truthfully love to know. I can easily give credit where credit is due. I'm not a brainless idiot. Dude, if you can honestly clue me in and tell me why they are so great, and HOW they aren't money driven, then I would probably leave them alone and YOU could be the one who can change my mind. I'd even consider apologizing to them. It just hasn't happened yet. Truthfully, I've already left them alone, but everytime someone asks me why I wrote that song, I feel like I have to explain.

I understand if you are fan of their music, and I understand if you dislike me, but to me it should be about way more than writing catchy songs and "doing what you love." These guys love writing music and touring, for the purpose of making money. That's just how I see it dude.

JaGK has a clothing line so that ATL fans will BUY his stuff. He isn't out there trying to market his clothing line to ANYONE else. They're just trying to take advantage of their loving fanbase, to make money.

Call it a gimmick. Call me an arrogant asshole. It doesn't matter to me. If by some mistake I get famous from this, I'll probably write a record, donate it to a worthy charity, and put a bullet in my head so that it sells forever. I'd rather do something like that then exploit myself and my music for money.

I love that you gave your personal opinion, backed up with reasons for it. I truthfully appreciate that, because most people are too stupid to even know why they have an opinion. However, we just may never agree and that's life.

Take care man.
I honestly don't care if you call me a scene kid, because I do listen to some scene music, and have long hair and when I wear jeans they are tight. However, I do also listen to a plethora of other genres and artists. My first concert ever was The Starting Line with Copeland, Gatsby's American Dream, Cartel (before they were even on wind-up) and The Suicide Pact, and my next concert was Bruce Springsteen, with my third being The Red Hot Chili Peppers and the Mars Volta.

I never said that Alex wasn't cocky or arrogant, I was just commenting that you were. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion, but I do think it's wrong to talk down upon artists in a song. If you're hanging out with your friends I could give a fuck about how much shit you talk about All Time Low or any band for that matter. Of course I make fun of bands with my friends, but I don't go around writing songs about it, then promoting myself as a band that "rips on All Time Low, Cobra Starship, the bad Attack Attack! in song." I think that that is just a way of you to try to ride off of their success in order to achieve your own. There is no way that this thread would have 5 pages of comments had those bands not been mentioned in the title.

The opportunity that I spoke of was a record label with enough faith in your band to fund you guys working with the producer you feel will help put out the best quality recording. It's because the producer ensures a high quality product, not proven sales. A band's sales has to do with their music, their fan base, and their marketing. Having a high quality, well produced cd will help your sales but at the end of the day, people are gonna buy the music for the music, not the producer.

They write music for the love of music and touring, and if they can make money, while doing what they love, more power to them. Yes, the clothing line is another way to make money. But what is wrong with making money? Since when is that a bad thing? Yes, he is getting money from his loving fans, but in return, they're getting a shirt that they're choosing to spend their money on. It's not like he's taking money from his fans, he's making shirts that his fans decide to buy.

[maxvsmaradona]

My first concert was the Rolling Stones. My second? The Roots.

I win.

[TwelveTribes230]

Personally, and this is judging ONLY on your response, I think you're a typical brainwashed scene kid who has NO idea how things work. And as far as the "gimmick' comment goes, fuck you man haha. Are you also saying that Alex Gaskarth isn't cocky and arrogant? Because if so, I can 100% promise you that you have it fucked up lol. That's actually the only thing I like about him anymore. I wish ATL would give up on the record sales and just be natural. If YOU say that they are being natural already, then it seems to me that they're in this for the money and not much else.

I'm in a pop-punk band dude. This genre was started by guys just like me who were sick and tired of the mainstream bullshit controlling the ethics of the underground scene. Being 17, its basically IMPOSSIBLE for you to know what it was like when it was good. You are allowed to think it's good now, but I don't. Isn't it fair to let me express an opinion in my writing whether it be negative OR positive? It's not like I made up LIES about them or anything. Just singin' about the way I see it dude. It's only a 5 song EP and it has 4 other songs without any shit talk at all. I think it's hilarious how upset everyone is getting at my "band bashing." People have been bashing bands for years, especially in pop-punk. I don't really feel that I'm doing anything "ground breaking" here.

Even Butch Walker, one of ATL's producers has made fun of bands like Korn, Creed, and Kid Rock on his albums. God forbid I make fun
of bands in my own genre. Give me a break. The only difference between me and these other dudes, is that I have the BALLS to do it in public. I've spent a lot of time touring, and I can def say that most bands talk shit on other bands. It comes from ego, and fear. I'm not saying that I'm a perfect person, but more that I wear my flaws with pride.

Big expensive producers, cost a lot of money. This "opportunity" you speak of, is available to everyone for the right price. Bands who want to SELL more records go with these EXPENSIVE MAINSTREAM guys, instead of equally if not more talented unknown producers. They go with these producers, because they have PROVEN SALES. IN MY OPINIONNNN, Nothing Personal, was a weak expensive album that was aimed at making money. What has ATL done besides try to SELL things??? Please tell me because I would truthfully love to know. I can easily give credit where credit is due. I'm not a brainless idiot. Dude, if you can honestly clue me in and tell me why they are so great, and HOW they aren't money driven, then I would probably leave them alone and YOU could be the one who can change my mind. I'd even consider apologizing to them. It just hasn't happened yet. Truthfully, I've already left them alone, but everytime someone asks me why I wrote that song, I feel like I have to explain.

I understand if you are fan of their music, and I understand if you dislike me, but to me it should be about way more than writing catchy songs and "doing what you love." These guys love writing music and touring, for the purpose of making money. That's just how I see it dude.

JaGK has a clothing line so that ATL fans will BUY his stuff. He isn't out there trying to market his clothing line to ANYONE else. They're just trying to take advantage of their loving fanbase, to make money.

Call it a gimmick. Call me an arrogant asshole. It doesn't matter to me. If by some mistake I get famous from this, I'll probably write a record, donate it to a worthy charity, and put a bullet in my head so that it sells forever. I'd rather do something like that then exploit myself and my music for money.

I love that you gave your personal opinion, backed up with reasons for it. I truthfully appreciate that, because most people are too stupid to even know why they have an opinion. However, we just may never agree and that's life.

Take care man.

I completely agree with the other poster (Mattattack). I don't even like ATL too. Your band (Bright and Early) is just using this as a gimmick to attract people who don't like the mentioned bands. There is nothing wrong with trying to attract fans, but to say it was not intentional is absurd. You have the whole "I hate the current scene" image and try way to hard to make that a focal point in your song. Hell you are even becoming known as the "band that rips on..." band. You are using that to attract more fans..meaning you are no better than ATL with their shirtless photo shoot to attract teen girls. I mean Frank Zappa rips on other artists...that's his gimmick to attract a fan base. Your band is doing that same thing...You are ripping on a band/bands in order to receive attention. You try an act all low profile, but how can you actually do that if you are intentionally making a song that rips on other (bigger) bands in the scene..its going to receive some attention and further the career of your band. Your marketing your band as the band that rips on other bands in a song. I mean look at band The Fold. They did the same thing with the song "every band in the USA"...did they not get attention? Hell they even got a deal with Glamour Kills. Your just looking for a way to breakout and get attention, but your becoming what you hate (a gimmicky band). If I were you I would take down that song. Your a solid band and don't need a gimmick like that. I mean you don't see The wonder years, four years strong, set your goals..do anything gimmicky like that and they are all have some level of success...so why shit on other bands...when your acting no better than them. If you truly cared you wouldn't write a song like that and just keep a focused/determined mind that you band will succeed with hard work and not a gimmicky song like "something personal".

[aradiantsunrise]

I completely agree with the other poster (Mattattack). I don't even like ATL too. Your band (Bright and Early) is just using this as a gimmick to attract people who don't like the mentioned bands. There is nothing wrong with trying to attract fans, but to say it was not intentional is absurd. You have the whole "I hate the current scene" image and try way to hard to make that a focal point in your song. Hell you are even becoming known as the "band that rips on..." band. You are using that to attract more fans..meaning you are no better than ATL with their shirtless photo shoot to attract teen girls. I mean Frank Zappa rips on other artists...that's his gimmick to attract a fan base. Your band is doing that same thing...You are ripping on a band/bands in order to receive attention. You try an act all low profile, but how can you actually do that if you are intentionally making a song that rips on other (bigger) bands in the scene..its going to receive some attention and further the career of your band. Your marketing your band as the band that rips on other bands in a song. I mean look at band The Fold. They did the same thing with the song "every band in the USA"...did they not get attention? Hell they even got a deal with Glamour Kills. Your just looking for a way to breakout and get attention, but your becoming what you hate (a gimmicky band). If I were you I would take down that song. Your a solid band and don't need a gimmick like that. I mean you don't see The wonder years, four years strong, set your goals..do anything gimmicky like that and they are all have some level of success...so why shit on other bands...when your acting no better than them. If you truly cared you wouldn't write a song like that and just keep a focused/determined mind that you band will succeed with hard work and not a gimmicky song like "something personal".
You have a point there.

[Nick Le]

I enjoy the song man, I'll be checking out the EP when it drops.

[catherinexhimel]

Tacky.

[maxvsmaradona]

I completely agree with the other poster (Mattattack). I don't even like ATL too. Your band (Bright and Early) is just using this as a gimmick to attract people who don't like the mentioned bands. There is nothing wrong with trying to attract fans, but to say it was not intentional is absurd. You have the whole "I hate the current scene" image and try way to hard to make that a focal point in your song. Hell you are even becoming known as the "band that rips on..." band. You are using that to attract more fans..meaning you are no better than ATL with their shirtless photo shoot to attract teen girls. I mean Frank Zappa rips on other artists...that's his gimmick to attract a fan base. Your band is doing that same thing...You are ripping on a band/bands in order to receive attention. You try an act all low profile, but how can you actually do that if you are intentionally making a song that rips on other (bigger) bands in the scene..its going to receive some attention and further the career of your band. Your marketing your band as the band that rips on other bands in a song. I mean look at band The Fold. They did the same thing with the song "every band in the USA"...did they not get attention? Hell they even got a deal with Glamour Kills. Your just looking for a way to breakout and get attention, but your becoming what you hate (a gimmicky band). If I were you I would take down that song. Your a solid band and don't need a gimmick like that. I mean you don't see The wonder years, four years strong, set your goals..do anything gimmicky like that and they are all have some level of success...so why shit on other bands...when your acting no better than them. If you truly cared you wouldn't write a song like that and just keep a focused/determined mind that you band will succeed with hard work and not a gimmicky song like "something personal".

You're almost 100% wrong. Yes, the song got B&E attention. But to tell them they did it for attention is just silly. And to call them a gimmick is just ludicrous.

[Gaugzilla]

I'm in a pop-punk band dude. This genre was started by guys just like me who were sick and tired of the mainstream bullshit controlling the ethics of the underground scene. Being 17, its basically IMPOSSIBLE for you to know what it was like when it was good. You are allowed to think it's good now, but I don't. Isn't it fair to let me express an opinion in my writing whether it be negative OR positive? It's not like I made up LIES about them or anything. Just singin' about the way I see it dude. It's only a 5 song EP and it has 4 other songs without any shit talk at all. I think it's hilarious how upset everyone is getting at my "band bashing." People have been bashing bands for years, especially in pop-punk. I don't really feel that I'm doing anything "ground breaking" here.

Being a year older than you, I'm confused about the timeframe you're referring to when pop-punk was good and not about the money. When it first started when bands like Green Day, Blink 182 and Rancid broke out, they all signed big deals and got a decent amount of money. The music wasn't necessarily Auto-tuned, but there were vocal effects and lots of multivocals to cover up a weak voice.

This illusion that pop-punk suddenly took a nose dive when artists switched from analog to digital is a bit ridiculous as bands are still playing the same type of songs except with more polish. They still have the same egos as bands of similar stature in their prime during when the genre was "good." All you're doing is putting yourself up on a pedestal by putting down what you see as lesser bands because they're trendy and not to your liking. Really, it's just counterproductive - why not reference bands that you feel are helping the genre like The Swellers and such?

I appreciate your generosity by donating proceeds to charity but you're attracting attention for all the wrong reasons.

[maxvsmaradona]

What Bright & Early did on their EP is write 100% genuine songs. Almost nobody is doing that anymore. If you're gonna hate on him for speaking his mind, then hate. JB is in it for the right reasons. That's all that matters.

http://livingelpaso.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/haters.jpg

[TwelveTribes230]

You're almost 100% wrong. Yes, the song got B&E attention. But to tell them they did it for attention is just silly.

Honestly, they wrote the song in order to make fun of those bands. Will that not give more people (who don't like the mentioned bands) more incentive to listen listen to the band? I mean none of their other songs are being talked about except for this one. They have one song that is creating a buzz because people who don't like the mentioned bands have something to relate to. They knowingly wrote/recorded that song to attract fans who don't like those bands mentioned in that song. Why record any songs? Every band is trying to get attention. I cannot fault bands for doing that because without attention they will get nowhere, but you cannot disagree that this band is pushing that song because of its appeal to those who dislike the mentioned bands. Why do you think that is the only song being talked about by them? Why do you think someone created a whole thread about them? why do you think we are even talking about them now? Because they are trying to cause a little "rebellion" and controversy in order to get some kind of attention and they did that by recording a gimmicky song.

[aradiantsunrise]

The thing is, all that shit that's in the song isn't a big deal unless you let it be. It can easily be ignored. Yeah, there's negative things about the scene but there's also a lot of positive things about it too, I can't stand when people just focus on the negative stuff. I prefer for situations like that to be handled is in a more mature fashion. They are in their mid-20s right? Those lyrics just make me think of a naive 16 year old writing it. I hate coming off like an asshole but it just irks the hell out of me, haha.

[maxvsmaradona]

Honestly, they wrote the song in order to make fun of those bands.

Woah, time out. A band wrote a song dissing another artist? Stop the presses! It's like 50 Cent v. The Game all over again!

Will that not give more people (who don't like the mentioned bands) more incentive to listen listen to the band?

Yes, and if they like what they hear, they can listen to the rest of their songs. That's how it works.

I mean none of their other songs are being talked about except for this one.

Because the rest of their EP isn't out yet, and everyone is talking about this one song, well, because, that's what this thread is about. This one song.

They have one song that is creating a buzz because people who don't like the mentioned bands have something to relate to. They knowingly wrote/recorded that song to attract fans who don't like those bands mentioned in that song.

Or maybe they wrote it to attract fans of pop punk who know their scene is going down in flames, and they want to change it.

Why record any songs? Every band is trying to get attention. I cannot fault bands for doing that because without attention they will get nowhere, but you cannot disagree that this band is pushing that song because of its appeal to those who dislike the mentioned bands.

Well, whenever a band releases a single, or a whole EP, of course they'll push that song/EP. Hey, I'll do so, right now.

Hi, I'm Max, and I play drums for Hand Me Down Buick (http://www.myspace.com/handmedownbuick). We released our John Naclerio (Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Bright & Early) produced EP, Inside Myself, for free download on our Purevolume page. You should check it out, yo.

C wut I did thar?

Why do you think that is the only song being talked about by them?

Because it's one of two songs released from the EP,

Why do you think someone created a whole thread about them? why do you think we are even talking about them now?

and when somebody on this site says something about someone else's favorite band, they tend to get butthurt. Go ahead. Go to the Brand New thread, and say "Brand New sucks". Everybody in there, including me will tell you to GTFO. Same goes for ATL fans.

Because they are trying to cause a little "rebellion" and controversy in order to get some kind of attention and they did that by recording a gimmicky song.

Errrrr! Wrong again, pal. Stop acting like you know JB and Bright and Early. You don't. So, please, don't let the door hit you on the vagina on the way out.

[ohheroine]

This was posted on the main page music player months ago. Great song, great band, but old news. Sorry buddy.



i really like your avatar.

[TwelveTribes230]

Woah, time out. A band wrote a song dissing another artist? Stop the presses! It's like 50 Cent v. The Game all over again!



Yes, and if they like what they hear, they can listen to the rest of their songs. That's how it works.



Because the rest of their EP isn't out yet, and everyone is talking about this one song, well, because, that's what this thread is about. This one song.



Or maybe they wrote it to attract fans of pop punk who know their scene is going down in flames, and they want to change it.



Well, whenever a band releases a single, or a whole EP, of course they'll push that song/EP. Hey, I'll do so, right now.

Hi, I'm Max, and I play drums for Hand Me Down Buick (http://www.myspace.com/handmedownbuick). We released our John Naclerio (Brand New, Taking Back Sunday, Bright & Early) produced EP, Inside Myself, for free download on our Purevolume page. You should check it out, yo.

C wut I did thar?



Because it's one of two songs released from the EP,



and when somebody on this site says something about someone else's favorite band, they tend to get butthurt. Go ahead. Go to the Brand New thread, and say "Brand New sucks". Everybody in there, including me will tell you to GTFO. Same goes for ATL fans.



Errrrr! Wrong again, pal. Stop acting like you know JB and Bright and Early. You don't. So, please, don't let the door hit you on the vagina on the way out.


Obviously you know one of their band members so your going to defend them. I understand that. But does your band have any songs that rip on other bands??? No. Are any of your bands songs gimmicky? No. They all song good and honest. But when I listened to Bright and Early that song sounded so gimmicky and like it was trying soo hard to crave attention. The whole reason this band is receiving attention is because of their gimmicky song. I looked at their Myspace. They have another song up their (a much better one). Why not push that?? No gimmicks there... Why get all butthurt yourself? I'm just stating my opinion and you are getting all flustered and saying I have a Vagina....Good one buddy just more proof that you are getting all bent out of shape over someone Else's opinion. And if the band REALLY cared about the current scene then why would they play a show with Stereo Skyline??? Are they not playing a show with the same type of band they hate?? Seems to me that they have no problem hating on bands in that scene and also playing shows with them.... Even aside from you saying I have a vagina I actually dig your band...see how easy that is to get attention..and you didn't even have to write a gimmicky song....

[maxvsmaradona]

Obviously you know one of their band members so your going to defend them. I understand that. But does your band have any songs that rip on other bands??? No. Are any of your bands songs gimmicky? No. They all song good and honest. But when I listened to Bright and Early that song sounded so gimmicky and like it was trying soo hard to crave attention. The whole reason this band is receiving attention is because of their gimmicky song. I looked at their Myspace. They have another song up their (a much better one). Why not push that?? No gimmicks there... Why get all butthurt yourself? I'm just stating my opinion and you are getting all flustered and saying I have a Vagina....Good one buddy just more proof that you are getting all bent out of shape over someone Else's opinion. And if the band REALLY cared about the current scene then why would they play a show with Stereo Skyline??? Are they not playing a show with the same type of band they hate?? Seems to me that they have no problem hating on bands in that scene and also playing shows with them.... Even aside from you saying I have a vagina I actually dig your band...see how easy that is to get attention..and you didn't even have to write a gimmicky song....

Few things: thanks for checking us out. We'll be releasing a song in the near future that may or may not underhandedly rip on some bands out there.

But, to say that "Something Personal" isn't honest, that's just silly. Knowing JB, he wouldn't write something if he wasn't being honest about it. He hates ATL. So why not write about it? And the way you present your opinion is whats getting me all bent out of shape. Saying "That song is a gimmick"... well, that's a statement. Saying "I think that song is gimmicky", that's an opinion. You think it's a gimmicky song, yeah, that's fine, but it really isn't. JB wanted to vent about stuff he hates, so he did so. If he wrote the song the same way, but actually loved ATL, then we'd have a mess on our hands.

And I only said the vagina line because I was watching Knocked Up, and it was the fantasy baseball draft scene. The guy running the draft said it to Paul Rudd's character after he left the draft to go deal with his wife.

It felt necessary to use it.

[TwelveTribes230]

Few things: thanks for checking us out. We'll be releasing a song in the near future that may or may not underhandedly rip on some bands out there.

But, to say that "Something Personal" isn't honest, that's just silly. Knowing JB, he wouldn't write something if he wasn't being honest about it. He hates ATL. So why not write about it? And the way you present your opinion is whats getting me all bent out of shape. Saying "That song is a gimmick"... well, that's a statement. Saying "I think that song is gimmicky", that's an opinion. You think it's a gimmicky song, yeah, that's fine, but it really isn't. JB wanted to vent about stuff he hates, so he did so. If he wrote the song the same way, but actually loved ATL, then we'd have a mess on our hands.

And I only said the vagina line because I was watching Knocked Up, and it was the fantasy baseball draft scene. The guy running the draft said it to Paul Rudd's character after he left the draft to go deal with his wife.

It felt necessary to use it.

Well maybe (my opinion) intentionally it was written as an "honest song" but to listeners it sounds a bit gimmicky to rip on other bands...and then recieve all this buzz because of the only factor being that the song rips on all these bands...It's not like this thread said "check out this new awsome band" but it read "Band rips on...." thats the only reason people are talking about this band and they are receiving more plays. I have no beef with the band because they showed they are capable of writing other songs...I guess it just comes off as gimmicky...while maybe intentionally it wasn't meant for that. But one has to think why drop names like "All time low" in a song...To me it seems like they want attention. I'm just saying (in my opinion) they look no better than ATL because of that song. And I don't even like ATL. So it just goes to show that you can still dislike a band...but why even bother mentioning their name??? and why even play shows with bands from that same scene...it all just sounds fishy to me.

[JayBee420]

Being a year older than you, I'm confused about the timeframe you're referring to when pop-punk was good and not about the money. When it first started when bands like Green Day, Blink 182 and Rancid broke out, they all signed big deals and got a decent amount of money. The music wasn't necessarily Auto-tuned, but there were vocal effects and lots of multivocals to cover up a weak voice.

This illusion that pop-punk suddenly took a nose dive when artists switched from analog to digital is a bit ridiculous as bands are still playing the same type of songs except with more polish. They still have the same egos as bands of similar stature in their prime during when the genre was "good." All you're doing is putting yourself up on a pedestal by putting down what you see as lesser bands because they're trendy and not to your liking. Really, it's just counterproductive - why not reference bands that you feel are helping the genre like The Swellers and such?

I appreciate your generosity by donating proceeds to charity but you're attracting attention for all the wrong reasons.

All three of those bands "broke out" at completely different times. Greenday and Rancid were the closest, but Rancid was the fall out of Op Ivy so they kinda head a good head start. I'm confused about your time frame too. Pop-punk took a huge nose dive when The Movielife broke up and the Ataris went "mainstream" for like a week. An even bigger nose dive when Face to Face broke up. Again, this is all just MY opinion of when it was good.

The Swellers are definitely an awesome band. I have no idea what they do for the scene, so I wouldn't talk about that as if I did. I guess I should check into it?

"All you're doing is putting yourself up on a pedestal by putting down what you see as lesser bands because they're trendy and not to your liking." This is true. I see them as lesser bands, and I don't like their music and overall approach to how they present themselves. That's why I wrote about it. I didn't say I was a perfect person, and I don't expect everyone to like me.

The song BARELY rips on these bands. If anything, my little complaints about these mega allstars of pop-punk should roll off of their backs with ease. Alex ATL was the only one to get upset about it. Its like, half of me considered the song kind of a funny joke, but then the other half of me really is sick and tired of these types of bands being rammed down my throat. I came on here a while ago, and ATL was splashed all over the page in the website design. Later as I was in the forums, I noticed more and more that the first ten comments in each thread are based somewhat around image. It inspired me in a way. I just think the music scene in general has become disgusting and I just won't follow its model because I don't believe in it. I've never seen NFG or Saves the Day marketed as if they were an upcoming movie, and NFG even did a cover album of movie theme songs.

Keep in mind that our band only started a few months ago. We're going to do a lot for other bands and the scene, whether anyone believes in our motives or not. All this song did was make people go, "well what are they gonna do next?" Orrrr, "What the hell makes them so different than all of the other bands?" We're very different, and we have a lot of positive plans. All I can say is give us some time and judge us a year or two from now.

[JayBee420]

I honestly don't care if you call me a scene kid, because I do listen to some scene music, and have long hair and when I wear jeans they are tight. However, I do also listen to a plethora of other genres and artists. My first concert ever was The Starting Line with Copeland, Gatsby's American Dream, Cartel (before they were even on wind-up) and The Suicide Pact, and my next concert was Bruce Springsteen, with my third being The Red Hot Chili Peppers and the Mars Volta.

I never said that Alex wasn't cocky or arrogant, I was just commenting that you were. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion, but I do think it's wrong to talk down upon artists in a song. If you're hanging out with your friends I could give a fuck about how much shit you talk about All Time Low or any band for that matter. Of course I make fun of bands with my friends, but I don't go around writing songs about it, then promoting myself as a band that "rips on All Time Low, Cobra Starship, the bad Attack Attack! in song." I think that that is just a way of you to try to ride off of their success in order to achieve your own. There is no way that this thread would have 5 pages of comments had those bands not been mentioned in the title.

The opportunity that I spoke of was a record label with enough faith in your band to fund you guys working with the producer you feel will help put out the best quality recording. It's because the producer ensures a high quality product, not proven sales. A band's sales has to do with their music, their fan base, and their marketing. Having a high quality, well produced cd will help your sales but at the end of the day, people are gonna buy the music for the music, not the producer.

They write music for the love of music and touring, and if they can make money, while doing what they love, more power to them. Yes, the clothing line is another way to make money. But what is wrong with making money? Since when is that a bad thing? Yes, he is getting money from his loving fans, but in return, they're getting a shirt that they're choosing to spend their money on. It's not like he's taking money from his fans, he's making shirts that his fans decide to buy.


If you're hanging out with your friends I could give a fuck about how much shit you talk about All Time Low or any band for that matter. Of course I make fun of bands with my friends, but I don't go around writing songs about it, then promoting myself as a band that "rips on All Time Low, Cobra Starship, the bad Attack Attack! in song."

I didn't make this thread man! haha. Put yourself in my shoes. This is fun for me. I'm just a normal dude, but I'm kind of a dickhead. I only have a couple of real friends because most people can't stand the things I say. I've come to accept that rather than try to change who I am to make other people like me. I like me. If you don't care about me, my friends, or our songs, that's totally fine haha. I'm really stoked you listed The Suicide Pact as one of those bands though. Before B&E I was in a band with Brian and Bill from TSP called Spells and Curses. They are some amazingly talented dudes.

I'm not in here to argue with everyone or even tell you that my point of view is the correct one. Just saying that it's my point of view and I am entitled to it. If you disagree with what I'm doing or what I'm writing about, then that's you're right too. I honestly didn't think everyone was going to get so "butt hurt" over it. I just thought it was funny.

[HometownHero]

Bright and Early is better then Attack Attack. Bright and Early is better then ATL. Bright and Early is better then Cobra Starship. So yeah shut the fuck up

[JayBee420]

Well maybe (my opinion) intentionally it was written as an "honest song" but to listeners it sounds a bit gimmicky to rip on other bands...and then recieve all this buzz because of the only factor being that the song rips on all these bands...It's not like this thread said "check out this new awsome band" but it read "Band rips on...." thats the only reason people are talking about this band and they are receiving more plays. I have no beef with the band because they showed they are capable of writing other songs...I guess it just comes off as gimmicky...while maybe intentionally it wasn't meant for that. But one has to think why drop names like "All time low" in a song...To me it seems like they want attention. I'm just saying (in my opinion) they look no better than ATL because of that song. And I don't even like ATL. So it just goes to show that you can still dislike a band...but why even bother mentioning their name??? and why even play shows with bands from that same scene...it all just sounds fishy to me.

Don't think so hard about it man. You're giving me way too much credit. I'm just an asshole with an immature sense of humor. Even though you probably think I'm a wiener, I gotta say that I am stoked to see so many of you guys effected by the song, and I appreciate the fact you guys gave it a real listen. We're going to put a lot more music out in the future. I hope you give it a listen either way.

[mattattack!]

If you're hanging out with your friends I could give a fuck about how much shit you talk about All Time Low or any band for that matter. Of course I make fun of bands with my friends, but I don't go around writing songs about it, then promoting myself as a band that "rips on All Time Low, Cobra Starship, the bad Attack Attack! in song."

I didn't make this thread man! haha. Put yourself in my shoes. This is fun for me. I'm just a normal dude, but I'm kind of a dickhead. I only have a couple of real friends because most people can't stand the things I say. I've come to accept that rather than try to change who I am to make other people like me. I like me. If you don't care about me, my friends, or our songs, that's totally fine haha. I'm really stoked you listed The Suicide Pact as one of those bands though. Before B&E I was in a band with Brian and Bill from TSP called Spells and Curses. They are some amazingly talented dudes.

I'm not in here to argue with everyone or even tell you that my point of view is the correct one. Just saying that it's my point of view and I am entitled to it. If you disagree with what I'm doing or what I'm writing about, then that's you're right too. I honestly didn't think everyone was going to get so "butt hurt" over it. I just thought it was funny.

Fair enough, I just don't really agree with that one part of the lyrics. Other than that I genuinely like your band's music, and think that they are very good pop-punk songs. Also, I respect your attitude and pretty much act the same way haha. I just would rather talk about the bands I do like, rather than bash bands I don't, because I still respect what the're doing. If I don't like a band, or disagree with them, then I just let them do their thing and ignore it. And The Suicide Pact is awesome! They were one of my favorite bands for the majority of my eighth grade and freshmen year. It's a shame they didn't get more recognition.

[aradiantsunrise]

All Time Low is good. :-)

[JayBee420]

Fair enough, I just don't really agree with that one part of the lyrics. Other than that I genuinely like your band's music, and think that they are very good pop-punk songs. Also, I respect your attitude and pretty much act the same way haha. I just would rather talk about the bands I do like, rather than bash bands I don't, because I still respect what the're doing. If I don't like a band, or disagree with them, then I just let them do their thing and ignore it. And The Suicide Pact is awesome! They were one of my favorite bands for the majority of my eighth grade and freshmen year. It's a shame they didn't get more recognition.

I'll be Colt Severs

[TerrancePryor]

hip-hop artists have been doing this for years, think its hilarious that people are surprised that different genres are picking up on the idea that it creates controversy and boosts sales....welcome to publicity people....


QFT

[gr33ndayfr3ak]

i really like your avatar.

Thank you ma'am :-)
Yours appears to be pretty sweet too, though I can't really tell what it is..

[ohheroine]

Thank you ma'am :-)
Yours appears to be pretty sweet too, though I can't really tell what it is..


hahah its a BTBAM album cover :)

[fiske77]

Great discussion on both sides.
I'm actually an ATL fan, though I think they're getting way too over-produced like The All-American Rejects after their debut album.
I never knew there was such hatred for ATL until today. I heard a song by them at work 2 years ago and liked it so i looked them up.
I think it's sad where things are going for bands that used to make great albums(not saying ATL has a "great" album).
I may no longer like their music, but I remember the good old days and hope for the time when they get dropped and go back to their roots and start their own label. Kudos to all those that still keep it real.

I think the best thing to do is just sit back and let the one-hit wonders have their fun. The bands with real lasting power will endure through it all. Having 2.5 minutes of fame is better than none, so let the Boys Like Girls of the world have it.
I find myself liking singles from a lot of these bands(so catchy!!), so I check their stuff out. If it's crap, oh well, my quest for cool new bands continues.

Opinions are just opinions. If you like/dislike ATL, Boys Like Girls, Cobra Starship, etc. more power to you. No one's opinion has to matter but your own. As I said, great points are made on both sides. Kinda left me on the fence here. The way I decide I like a band is based more on catchy hooks than amazing lyrics/musicianship (though having both is a HUGE plus). My favorite band has been blink-182 since middle school, and from what I've read, there's tons of blink haters out there. So take my two cents and do what you will.

[BUMFILTER]

good.

[mattattack!]

Great discussion on both sides.
I'm actually an ATL fan, though I think they're getting way too over-produced like The All-American Rejects after their debut album.
I never knew there was such hatred for ATL until today. I heard a song by them at work 2 years ago and liked it so i looked them up.
I think it's sad where things are going for bands that used to make great albums(not saying ATL has a "great" album).
I may no longer like their music, but I remember the good old days and hope for the time when they get dropped and go back to their roots and start their own label. Kudos to all those that still keep it real.

I think the best thing to do is just sit back and let the one-hit wonders have their fun. The bands with real lasting power will endure through it all. Having 2.5 minutes of fame is better than none, so let the Boys Like Girls of the world have it.
I find myself liking singles from a lot of these bands(so catchy!!), so I check their stuff out. If it's crap, oh well, my quest for cool new bands continues.

Opinions are just opinions. If you like/dislike ATL, Boys Like Girls, Cobra Starship, etc. more power to you. No one's opinion has to matter but your own. As I said, great points are made on both sides. Kinda left me on the fence here. The way I decide I like a band is based more on catchy hooks than amazing lyrics/musicianship (though having both is a HUGE plus). My favorite band has been blink-182 since middle school, and from what I've read, there's tons of blink haters out there. So take my two cents and do what you will.
i <3 you! hahaha
I completely agree with you though.

[AussieBoy]

I honestly don't care if you call me a scene kid, because I do listen to some scene music, and have long hair and when I wear jeans they are tight. However, I do also listen to a plethora of other genres and artists. My first concert ever was The Starting Line with Copeland, Gatsby's American Dream, Cartel (before they were even on wind-up) and The Suicide Pact, and my next concert was Bruce Springsteen, with my third being The Red Hot Chili Peppers and the Mars Volta.

I never said that Alex wasn't cocky or arrogant, I was just commenting that you were. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion, but I do think it's wrong to talk down upon artists in a song. If you're hanging out with your friends I could give a fuck about how much shit you talk about All Time Low or any band for that matter. Of course I make fun of bands with my friends, but I don't go around writing songs about it, then promoting myself as a band that "rips on All Time Low, Cobra Starship, the bad Attack Attack! in song." I think that that is just a way of you to try to ride off of their success in order to achieve your own. There is no way that this thread would have 5 pages of comments had those bands not been mentioned in the title.

The opportunity that I spoke of was a record label with enough faith in your band to fund you guys working with the producer you feel will help put out the best quality recording. It's because the producer ensures a high quality product, not proven sales. A band's sales has to do with their music, their fan base, and their marketing. Having a high quality, well produced cd will help your sales but at the end of the day, people are gonna buy the music for the music, not the producer.

They write music for the love of music and touring, and if they can make money, while doing what they love, more power to them. Yes, the clothing line is another way to make money. But what is wrong with making money? Since when is that a bad thing? Yes, he is getting money from his loving fans, but in return, they're getting a shirt that they're choosing to spend their money on. It's not like he's taking money from his fans, he's making shirts that his fans decide to buy.

ok you quoted me and made out that the band said it, you would either make a really good or really bad tabloid journalist

for the record i dont like the song (sorry band) but thought it was interesting, and obviously a talking point, and i think ripping on someone must be a harsher term in the USA, cause here its just kinda of having a laugh and joke at someone, usually a mate or family member, just having a tease

[JayBee420]

ok you quoted me and made out that the band said it, you would either make a really good or really bad tabloid journalist

for the record i dont like the song (sorry band) but thought it was interesting, and obviously a talking point, and i think ripping on someone must be a harsher term in the USA, cause here its just kinda of having a laugh and joke at someone, usually a mate or family member, just having a tease

Nah man you're totally right! It's just a laugh and a joke at someone. Exactly. People are just getting pissy about it because we're making fun of their popstar heroes. Instead of it being a family member or friend, its a band that I personally consider to be lame. Despite what other people think about it, its fucking fun! haha.