The Track Record Leave Rushmore

[Brandon Herbel]

The Track Record (http://www.thetrackrecord.com) have parted ways with Drive-Thru/Rushmore Records. A message from the band can be read below. "As of September 1st, we are no longer affiliated with Drive-Thru / Rushmore Records. The split is due to disagreements regarding the direction of the band. While we maintain good terms with the label, there is no more progress to be made in the relationship.

That being said, we will be taking October to record and self produce our debut full length at Omega Studios (Third Eye Blind, Ben Folds Five, Fiona Apple, Radiohead, Elliott Smith, the Wallflowers) in Rockville, MD. The record has been written for months and we are beyond excited to finally get into the studio. Naturally, we are actively seeking a new label to call home and with whom to release our albums. We will be spending the final two months of the year on tour all over the country with Southcott, Tourmaline and Upper Class Trash. We would like to thank everyone who has supported us to this point and we look forward to seeing everyone on the road!

P.S. - Look out for new songs to be posted soon!"

[straylighthaste]

there seems to be a trend with rushmore records and their bands..good luck guys!

[IAmAmazing]

hahah! right choice guys! one band that makes unique music and their album wont let me down.

[emoishardcore]

yeah for real. i mean midtowns gotta be having a good time now

[unwritten]

It seems like DTR signs bands and doesn't do anything with them. Putting out their albums would help.

[mbuchbauer88]

the track record seems to get out of their contract just fine, and they are moving on making music that they love instead of trying to tear people down with sob stories. i have miles more respect for the way they left rushmore than the way madison did.

[RockVocalPower]

Come on TMA.

[StimulisRocker]

yeah for real. i mean midtowns gotta be having a good time now


yea thats why midtown's major label debut was aflop and they broke up and are pennyless and also for all of the people on here who talk and dont knwo any facts just specualtion, the track record, although they are aweosme guys, havent done a whoel lot of toruign or anything and they took loong to demo and present songs to dtr/rushmore. rushmroe signed them after onyl hearing their EP which was immediatly releeased on rushmore and according to many people, they hadnt lived up to their potential as far has hard work is concerned. it is ashame they hadnt recorded their full length , i am a fan of the music and i met the guys a few times and they were very nice, but its a 2 way deal in roder to get a record releeased, atleast do your part to create hype so the label has a reason to releease it

[IAmAmazing]

the track record seems to get out of their contract just fine, and they are moving on making music that they love instead of trying to tear people down with sob stories. i have miles more respect for the way they left rushmore than the way madison did.
i like his point :D

[liveordieX515]

yea thats why midtown's major label debut was aflop and they broke up and are pennyless and also for all of the people on here who talk and dont knwo any facts just specualtion, the track record, although they are aweosme guys, havent done a whoel lot of toruign or anything and they took loong to demo and present songs to dtr/rushmore. rushmroe signed them after onyl hearing their EP which was immediatly releeased on rushmore and according to many people, they hadnt lived up to their potential as far has hard work is concerned. it is ashame they hadnt recorded their full length , i am a fan of the music and i met the guys a few times and they were very nice, but its a 2 way deal in roder to get a record releeased, atleast do your part to create hype so the label has a reason to releease it

dude, slow down and spell

[Julia Conny]

best of luck boys.

[PassedOut]

the trackrecord guys are all amazing people, i hope that everything works out for them

[CWeezer]

good luck to them. they deserve it.

[mike l]

haah all the ex-dtr bands should stat a label or even a tour haha.

[bring the mosh]

maybe rushmore should just call it a day and suck up the losses. they've released like 2 albums in the few years it's been a label.


ps.... did midtown offically break up? i'm slow. i thought gabe was just doing cobra as a side thing...

[mike l]

well heath is in SF and rob runs his label so, most likely.

[bring the mosh]

that sucks. the last record was the best one they've put out. i was kinda hoping for another.

[shes.a.ghost]

well heath is in SF and rob runs his label so, most likely.

heath is no longer in senses fail

[mybreakingpoint]

yea thats why midtown's major label debut was aflop and they broke up and are pennyless and also for all of the people on here who talk and dont knwo any facts just specualtion, the track record, although they are aweosme guys, havent done a whoel lot of toruign or anything and they took loong to demo and present songs to dtr/rushmore. rushmroe signed them after onyl hearing their EP which was immediatly releeased on rushmore and according to many people, they hadnt lived up to their potential as far has hard work is concerned. it is ashame they hadnt recorded their full length , i am a fan of the music and i met the guys a few times and they were very nice, but its a 2 way deal in roder to get a record releeased, atleast do your part to create hype so the label has a reason to releease it

no offense in the least, i saw your band a year or so ago with Day At The Fair and Skyline Obscura and you have a great band with a lot of potential and I met you and everyone else in your band and you're all great guys as well, but:
1. "Forget What You Know" may have been a "flop" for a major label, but it was and is an unarguably amazing album which I know for a fact countless members of this site enjoy (some better than their previous DTR efforts). They are also neither pennyless nor "officially" broken up. If you read everything Gabe has said lately, including on this very site, you'll see that he talks like there will be Midtown releases in the future. So, please, don't talk about Midtown anymore unless you know exactly what you're saying and can back it up. (If you can, please do.)
2. If somehow a person who works for Drive-Thru happens to read this, which is unlikely, but still possible, Drive-Thru still isn't going to sign you. Sucking up on a message board is not going to get your band signed.
3. You were correct in stating that The Track Record are very nice guys, but were quite incorrect when you said that they aren't hardworking.
They don't tour? Then how is it that I've seen them 4 times since they signed to Rushmore?
Not hard-working? They're about to pay to go into a big-time studio and produce an album themselves. Where did they get the money to get into that studio? By NOT working hard? And producing your own album is NOT hard work? Please. They're great, hard-working guys who just didn't get along with Drive-Thru. It happens. It has happened. Multiple times. But essentially calling The Track Record slackers for pretty much no reason at all is uncalled for.
Is it the Track Record, or Drive-Thru, who has been refusing to help bands record or put out albums in a reasonable amount of time? I'm not saying that Drive-Thru doesn't work hard as well, but between the two, who do you think it's more fair to say that they haven't been working very hard? Think about it.

My personal longest post on AP ever. I normally hate it when people write drawn-out shit like this, but I couldn't help it this time. There was just too much I disagreed with in your post.

[mybreakingpoint]

heath is no longer in senses fail

Correct.

[MikeJames]

Let's not forget that Day at the Fair was on Rushmore and broke up.
I'd imagine if the label actually backed them and helped them, they would have probably been less likely to call it quits. It just seems to be the trend with these bands... they give up on the label, I don't blame them.

[Chris Fallon]

Good for them. After the way Madison was treated, I have no respect for the way Rushmore is run. It's the best decision the band can make.

[MoneyMaker]

Good luck to them! Richard can eat a dick sandwich. oh wait....he already has......

[OveriseFan]

People don't know the full story(I don't know this one, but I know the others pretty much) at all...

Regardless, good for them if they feel so, and I'm looking forward to the album.

These guys are great guys too, from the times I've talked to them.

[elvis2x]

Hahaha. Soon enough, Rushmore Records will be left with no bands.

[mbuchbauer88]

Let's not forget that Day at the Fair was on Rushmore and broke up.
I'd imagine if the label actually backed them and helped them, they would have probably been less likely to call it quits. It just seems to be the trend with these bands... they give up on the label, I don't blame them.

DATF broke up for personal reasons, and seeing that they were very good friends with richard and stephanie, theyd probably be pissed that you would even suggest it being their fault.

[FiringPartyRule]

no offense in the least, i saw your band a year or so ago with Day At The Fair and Skyline Obscura and you have a great band with a lot of potential and I met you and everyone else in your band and you're all great guys as well, but:
1. "Forget What You Know" may have been a "flop" for a major label, but it was and is an unarguably amazing album which I know for a fact countless members of this site enjoy (some better than their previous DTR efforts). They are also neither pennyless nor "officially" broken up. If you read everything Gabe has said lately, including on this very site, you'll see that he talks like there will be Midtown releases in the future. So, please, don't talk about Midtown anymore unless you know exactly what you're saying and can back it up. (If you can, please do.)
2. If somehow a person who works for Drive-Thru happens to read this, which is unlikely, but still possible, Drive-Thru still isn't going to sign you. Sucking up on a message board is not going to get your band signed.
3. You were correct in stating that The Track Record are very nice guys, but were quite incorrect when you said that they aren't hardworking.
They don't tour? Then how is it that I've seen them 4 times since they signed to Rushmore?
Not hard-working? They're about to pay to go into a big-time studio and produce an album themselves. Where did they get the money to get into that studio? By NOT working hard? And producing your own album is NOT hard work? Please. They're great, hard-working guys who just didn't get along with Drive-Thru. It happens. It has happened. Multiple times. But essentially calling The Track Record slackers for pretty much no reason at all is uncalled for.
Is it the Track Record, or Drive-Thru, who has been refusing to help bands record or put out albums in a reasonable amount of time? I'm not saying that Drive-Thru doesn't work hard as well, but between the two, who do you think it's more fair to say that they haven't been working very hard? Think about it.

My personal longest post on AP ever. I normally hate it when people write drawn-out shit like this, but I couldn't help it this time. There was just too much I disagreed with in your post.


thank god someone on this site knows what they're talking about

[mike l]

since when is heath no longer in senses fail? i wasn't aware. i could sworn i heard him on a couple of the demos like harmonies and whatnot but i am an idiot so i would just like to know the info.

[vegasbabyvegas]

Dang, Rushmore is cleaning house lately!

[zizou1790]

no offense in the least, i saw your band a year or so ago with Day At The Fair and Skyline Obscura and you have a great band with a lot of potential and I met you and everyone else in your band and you're all great guys as well, but:
1. "Forget What You Know" may have been a "flop" for a major label, but it was and is an unarguably amazing album which I know for a fact countless members of this site enjoy (some better than their previous DTR efforts). They are also neither pennyless nor "officially" broken up. If you read everything Gabe has said lately, including on this very site, you'll see that he talks like there will be Midtown releases in the future. So, please, don't talk about Midtown anymore unless you know exactly what you're saying and can back it up. (If you can, please do.)
2. If somehow a person who works for Drive-Thru happens to read this, which is unlikely, but still possible, Drive-Thru still isn't going to sign you. Sucking up on a message board is not going to get your band signed.
3. You were correct in stating that The Track Record are very nice guys, but were quite incorrect when you said that they aren't hardworking.
They don't tour? Then how is it that I've seen them 4 times since they signed to Rushmore?
Not hard-working? They're about to pay to go into a big-time studio and produce an album themselves. Where did they get the money to get into that studio? By NOT working hard? And producing your own album is NOT hard work? Please. They're great, hard-working guys who just didn't get along with Drive-Thru. It happens. It has happened. Multiple times. But essentially calling The Track Record slackers for pretty much no reason at all is uncalled for.
Is it the Track Record, or Drive-Thru, who has been refusing to help bands record or put out albums in a reasonable amount of time? I'm not saying that Drive-Thru doesn't work hard as well, but between the two, who do you think it's more fair to say that they haven't been working very hard? Think about it.

My personal longest post on AP ever. I normally hate it when people write drawn-out shit like this, but I couldn't help it this time. There was just too much I disagreed with in your post.


i like you.

and since when has heath left SF?

[TheWoj]

The Track Record (http://www.thetrackrecord.com) have parted ways with Drive-Thru/Rushmore Records.
As George Bluth once said:
"Probably a good career move."

[mybreakingpoint]

i like you.

and since when has heath left SF?

I like you too. :)

And I don't believe it's officially official, but it's what I've heard from 2 seperate sources close to the band.

And it's really not that surprising. He's always been referred to as a "temporary" member, or a fill-in. They've said multiple times his place in the band was only temporary. And if what I (and obviously, I'm not the only one) have heard is true, which it may not be, since the band will be touring for the album soon, they're already working with a replacement for their...replacement. Heh. It might not be true, I wouldn't hold me to it, but I'm pretty sure. I don't have anyone to confirm and I won't say who my sources are, so I guess we'll have to wait for an offical announcement.

[albatrossxivy]

i love the singer of the track records voice. they are very hard working and deserve a label that will work as hard as they do to help them grow.

my feelings on dtr/rushmore:

-rushmore was a flop from the getgo
-drive-thru is doing fine
-they just put out 2 cds both selling over 50,000 copies (hgb and ten)
-they have a lineup of bands which are always touring
-they will never die

i think its lame when labels start labels
i know it happens all the time with the majors
but why do it with an indie label?
go with what works dont try to micromanage your bands by starting small labels for "smaller" bands that you dont wanna put full focus on.

[Nolessthanblink]

since when is heath no longer in senses fail? i wasn't aware. i could sworn i heard him on a couple of the demos like harmonies and whatnot but i am an idiot so i would just like to know the info.

Yeah, me too. And I know that he wrote AND recorded with them and did the entire Warped Tour with them... so hopefully he's still with them cause Senses Fail has only gotten better. Their new album's gonna own.

As far as Track Record, I guess the rumor that Rushmore's calling it quits and only signing signing 2 or 3 bands to Drive Thru (Self AGainst City, and I can't remember the otHEr 1 or 2). It would have been nice to see The Track Record get along with DTR and Rushmore, but as long as the album comes out, I don't care really who puts it out.

And with Rushmore calling it quits, I wonder where that puts Richard and Stephanie's ideas for the singer/songwriter label...

[leftstranded]

glad to see things worked out for them without having to break up. good luck guys

[IAmAmazing]

Yeah, me too. And I know that he wrote AND recorded with them and did the entire Warped Tour with them... so hopefully he's still with them cause Senses Fail has only gotten better. Their new album's gonna own.

As far as Track Record, I guess the rumor that Rushmore's calling it quits and only signing signing 2 or 3 bands to Drive Thru (Self AGainst City, and I can't remember the otHEr 1 or 2). It would have been nice to see The Track Record get along with DTR and Rushmore, but as long as the album comes out, I don't care really who puts it out.

And with Rushmore calling it quits, I wonder where that puts Richard and Stephanie's ideas for the singer/songwriter label...
probably SAC, HC, and TMA, just my guess though...I could see TMA being dropped though

[mybreakingpoint]

drive-thru is doing fine
they just put out 2 cds both selling over 50,000 copies (hgb and ten)
they have a lineup of bands which are always touring
they will never die


If Drive-Thru continues to behave the way it has, it's quite possible that they're going to ruin their relationships with their other bands as well, including TEN and HGB. So if they don't start recovering soon, they're going to be screwed.

[OveriseFan]

probably SAC, HC, and TMA, just my guess though...I could see TMA being dropped though

Not if they're signed to DTR. I'm not sure they will be though.

[albatrossxivy]

If Drive-Thru continues to behave the way it has, it's quite possible that they're going to ruin their relationships with their other bands as well, including TEN and HGB. So if they don't start recovering soon, they're going to be screwed.

most bands on dtr have got bigger and better because of signing to the label
halifax: songs played on mtv, released an amazing album with great mastering and production, on awesome tours, playing festivals.
ten: dtr has helped them from day 1, warped tour, triple cd album, etc
hgb: look how big they got...enough said

its hard for some bands to blow up when their sound is one that a unique few enjoy (such as steel train and an angle) but i think dtr does a great job helping both those bands.

i think the label needs to regroup
stop pretending like all the lost geffen bands are still ones on the label (soco, finch, nfg, etc)
update the site layout for the first time in 5 years
and start to move forward.

-jason

[IAmAmazing]

Not if they're signed to DTR. I'm not sure they will be though.
im talking about whether TMA will be dropped from Rushmore when it folds, im sure their def keep SAC and HC

[12:46AM]

dude, slow down and spell
hahahahaha. awesome.

[concretedetail]

thank goodness

[IAmAmazing]

thank goodness
is that a Counter-Strike map in ur sig?

[moonlights]

haah all the ex-dtr bands should stat a label or even a tour haha.
hahaha "the we hate drive-thru records tour"
i'm sure they could get enough to make that a festival...
probably including some bands on dtr hahahaha

[moonlights]

Let's not forget that Day at the Fair was on Rushmore and broke up.
I'd imagine if the label actually backed them and helped them, they would have probably been less likely to call it quits. It just seems to be the trend with these bands... they give up on the label, I don't blame them.
DATF has been hinting at a reunion in their myspace bulletins...

[edit] someone who does design for ap.net, can we PLEASE get the option back where if you post two+ replies in a row they just combine themselves? ugh, i hate that i forget that that feature is gone and end up making like four posts in a row, haha

[irthesteve]

Third Eye Blind, Ben Folds Five, Fiona Apple, Radiohead, Elliott Smith, the Wallflowers

that's a fuckin great group of bands

[IAmAmazing]

Third Eye Blind, Ben Folds Five, Fiona Apple, Radiohead, Elliott Smith, the Wallflowers

that's a fuckin great group of bands
hahaha, yes

[mybreakingpoint]

most bands on dtr have got bigger and better because of signing to the label
halifax: songs played on mtv, released an amazing album with great mastering and production, on awesome tours, playing festivals.
ten: dtr has helped them from day 1, warped tour, triple cd album, etc
hgb: look how big they got...enough said

its hard for some bands to blow up when their sound is one that a unique few enjoy (such as steel train and an angle) but i think dtr does a great job helping both those bands.

i think the label needs to regroup
update its site layout for the first time in 5 years hah
and start to move forward instead of not going anywhere

-jason

Every word of this post is not meant to have you think I'm a dick, keep in mind I have almost every Drive-Thru release in their catalogue:

Halifax: Has been a DIY band since quite a while before they signed to Drive-Thru. They are stil behind most of the big things they do, including getting their producer and being on whatever MTV show they were on for several episodes. I don't know much else, but I'm unfortunately being pessimistic in assuming that Drive-Thru really did that much.

TEN: Yes, Drive-Thru has always pushed this band as much as they deserve. Probably my favorite thing they've ever done as a label is having gotten them out like they did. I commend them for that. But as I previously stated, if they [Drive-Thru] continue down this path they're on, one would not be hard put to believe that they could screw up their relationship with these guys as well, as sad as it might be.

hellogoodbye: I know the least about this band of the 3, but I do know they are by far, unarguably the poppiest, most marketable band Drive-Thru has ever signed. Ever. Forrest is good looking, and singing songs about girls over bubble gum, synth-heavy pop. I don't think it would have mattered all that much what label they signed to; they're so marketable themselves, Drive-Thru doesn't have to do much. Now, maybe they have, maybe they haven't, but based on what I've been seeing, they could very easily do something stupid and screw this up as well.

Steel Train deserves to be huge. They never will be, but they deserve it.
RX Bandits were never pushed the way they should have been. In my opinion, they've always had the potential to be as popular as Less Than Jake and Reel Big Fish, as far as mainstream Ska goes. But Drive-Thru never did enough with them.
I'm completely neutral on An Angle. I strongly dislike how similar he is to Bright Eyes, but I don't know enough about him or his music to really say much about him.
They've done as well with Socratic as could be expected.
Jenoah, well, I enjoy them, but they'll never be marketable in the least, so I wouldn't be surprised if Drive-Thru screws them over as well.
Adelphi: Some of the best guys ever. Have written a bunch of great music that most likely will be pushed to the side for even longer than it already has been.
Hidden In Plain View: I think they've been good to these guys. They've marketed them well, and gotten them to be a lot bigger than a lot of other similar-sounding bands that aren't half as passionate for what they do as these guys are.
I Can Make A Mess: Can't really say much. This wasn't really ever meant to be that big.
IATA: Few can argue how much bigger these guys should be, and it saddens me that it seems like Drive-Thru hasn't done much at all to help them get bigger.
I'm not a fan of any other band Drive-Thru has signed recently. ESPECIALLY the most recent one (the one who won their contest). Their signing them also makes me lean towards the "Drive-Thru is going down the drain" way of thinking.

Past examples:
Drive-Thru refused to release Caught Inside's full-length because they said their singer wasn't good enough. (This is old, old Drive-Thru for the majority of you who have no idea who these guys are.)
I've been told that they're the reason Last Summer (ex-Super Market All-Stars) had to break up and reform yet again because of issues with the label.
The Movielife: Brandon purposely sent in shitty NOY demos to them so that he wouldn't have to sign with them because of the clause in his Movielife contract. What does that say about the label?
Something Corporate: Whether it's their fault or not, I have no idea, but it is a fact: These guys should have been a platinum, #1 on TRL band. They were almost as marketable as HGB in my opinion, but they were never nearly as huge as they deserved to be.
Midtown: Left the label because they didn't like the direction is going. Listen to Forget What You Know. Are they INSANE?



I could go on and on, and I can if anyone wants me to, but I hope I got my point across? Which is: It's very possible that Drive-Thru is just going down the drain. It saddens me to think they are, but almost everything they've done recently points to that.

And yes, they really, really, desperately need a new website lay out. :)

[albatrossxivy]

Every word of this post is not meant to have you think I'm a dick, keep in mind I have almost every Drive-Thru release in their catalogue:

Halifax: Has been a DIY band since quite a while before they signed to Drive-Thru. They are stil behind most of the big things they do, including getting their producer and being on whatever MTV show they were on for several episodes. I don't know much else, but I'm unfortunately being pessimistic in assuming that Drive-Thru really did that much.

TEN: Yes, Drive-Thru has always pushed this band as much as they deserve. Probably my favorite thing they've ever done as a label is having gotten them out like they did. I commend them for that. But as I previously stated, if they [Drive-Thru] continue down this path they're on, one would not be hard put to believe that they could screw up their relationship with these guys as well, as sad as it might be.

hellogoodbye: I know the least about this band of the 3, but I do know they are by far, unarguably the poppiest, most marketable band Drive-Thru has ever signed. Ever. Forrest is good looking, and singing songs about girls over bubble gum, synth-heavy pop. I don't think it would have mattered all that much what label they signed to; they're so marketable themselves, Drive-Thru doesn't have to do much. Now, maybe they have, maybe they haven't, but based on what I've been seeing, they could very easily do something stupid and screw this up as well.

Steel Train deserves to be huge. They never will be, but they deserve it.
RX Bandits were never pushed the way they should have been. In my opinion, they've always had the potential to be as popular as Less Than Jake and Reel Big Fish, as far as mainstream Ska goes. But Drive-Thru never did enough with them.
I'm completely neutral on An Angle. I strongly dislike how similar he is to Bright Eyes, but I don't know enough about him or his music to really say much about him.
They've done as well with Socratic as could be expected.
Jenoah, well, I enjoy them, but they'll never be marketable in the least, so I wouldn't be surprised if Drive-Thru screws them over as well.
Adelphi: Some of the best guys ever. Have written a bunch of great music that most likely will be pushed to the side for even longer than it already has been.
Hidden In Plain View: I think they've been good to these guys. They've marketed them well, and gotten them to be a lot bigger than a lot of other similar-sounding bands that aren't half as passionate for what they do as these guys are.
I Can Make A Mess: Can't really say much. This wasn't really ever meant to be that big.
IATA: Few can argue how much bigger these guys should be, and it saddens me that it seems like Drive-Thru hasn't done much at all to help them get bigger.
I'm not a fan of any other band Drive-Thru has signed recently. ESPECIALLY the most recent one (the one who won their contest). Their signing them also makes me lean towards the "Drive-Thru is going down the drain" way of thinking.

Past examples:
Drive-Thru refused to release Caught Inside's full-length because they said their singer wasn't good enough. (This is old, old Drive-Thru for the majority of you who have no idea who these guys are.)
I've been told that they're the reason Last Summer (ex-Super Market All-Stars) had to break up and reform yet again because of issues with the label.
The Movielife: Brandon purposely sent in shitty NOY demos to them so that he wouldn't have to sign with them because of the clause in his Movielife contract. What does that say about the label?
Something Corporate: Whether it's their fault or not, I have no idea, but it is a fact: These guys should have been a platinum, #1 on TRL band. They were almost as marketable as HGB in my opinion, but they were never nearly as huge as they deserved to be.
Midtown: Left the label because they didn't like the direction is going. Listen to Forget What You Know. Are they INSANE?



I could go on and on, and I can if anyone wants me to, but I hope I got my point across? Which is: It's very possible that Drive-Thru is just going down the drain. It saddens me to think they are, but almost everything they've done recently points to that.

And yes, they really, really, desperately need a new website lay out. :)

i agree with all of that
i just feel that back in the day
signing to DTR = Your name went out overnight

its not like that anymore and its sad
the label needs to update itself and start to work at that

and btw...steel train is the best band on drive-thru :)
they need to be huge

[mybreakingpoint]

i agree with all of that
i just feel that back in the day
signing to DTR = Your name went out overnight

its not like that anymore and its sad
the label needs to update itself and start to work at that

and btw...steel train is the best band on drive-thru :)
they need to be huge

You're absolutely right. Being on Drive-Thru was at one point like being Scene Royalty. EVERYONE has heard about you. Not so anymore... :( (Who the hell is Morning Call? Exactly.)

And I love you because:
A. You are more than right about Steel Train. An absolutely amazingly talented band who deserve so much more than they've gotten.
B. Your name means you love Limbeck, and if you love Limbeck, you are amazing in my book.

[xearlynovemberx]

this band is fucking awful who gives a shit

[Pascal DeMaria]

If Drive-Thru continues to behave the way it has, it's quite possible that they're going to ruin their relationships with their other bands as well, including TEN and HGB. So if they don't start recovering soon, they're going to be screwed.

Too late... their bands, and their employees

[underthetalking]

yea thats why midtown's major label debut was aflop and they broke up and are pennyless and also for all of the people on here who talk and dont knwo any facts just specualtion, the track record, although they are aweosme guys, havent done a whoel lot of toruign or anything and they took loong to demo and present songs to dtr/rushmore. rushmroe signed them after onyl hearing their EP which was immediatly releeased on rushmore and according to many people, they hadnt lived up to their potential as far has hard work is concerned. it is ashame they hadnt recorded their full length , i am a fan of the music and i met the guys a few times and they were very nice, but its a 2 way deal in roder to get a record releeased, atleast do your part to create hype so the label has a reason to releease it


Moron

[SwedishHeat]

The Movielife: Brandon purposely sent in shitty NOY demos to them so that he wouldn't have to sign with them because of the clause in his Movielife contract. What does that say about the label?
Something Corporate: Whether it's their fault or not, I have no idea, but it is a fact: These guys should have been a platinum, #1 on TRL band. They were almost as marketable as HGB in my opinion, but they were never nearly as huge as they deserved to be.

Umm, so Brandon doesn't sign with DTR, but Vinnie did, so how does The Movielife fall into the "anti-DTR" category?? Interviews with the parties involved said plainly that it was truly "creative differences" that led to The Movielife's break-up. Brandon seemed to have issues with the scene, in general. . . going so far as to call out the illustrious Jason Tate for his irony-laced statement that Brand New was the "only band that matters".

And Something Corporate, you can blame on MCA and/or Geffen.

Either way, I don't doubt that DTR has a rather suspect track-record.

Also for the record, I don't think Steel Train or the RX Bandits have any desire to be "huge".

And another note for the record, if a band isn't "marketable", why should the label try to make them "huge"?? From where I sit, all of DTR's "marketable" bands are already as big as they're going to get. I can't imagine TEN being on TRL, if they want to or not, I'm not sure, but I don't think they're a good fit.

[mybreakingpoint]

I forgot to mention Allister (Obviously, Drive-Thru has not done hardly anything with the band that's been on their label the longest on anyone on their roster) and Home Grown (If they're even still around; another band that they have pretty much not done anything with). There's probably more on their current roster that I'm forgetting, but if I am forgetting them, you probably know by now the reason why.

One last point:
I stumbled across the blog of Allister's ex-guitarist who was with the band when they first signed with Drive-Thru and released "You Can' Do That On Vinyl". He had a blog about how horrible Drive-Thru has become, how great the bands they used to sign were, and said that The Wrens made a very smart move in not signing to Drive-Thru. Straight from a former Drive-Thru artist, just like Brandon Reiley (sp?). Doesn't sound like they've got a lot of nice things to say about them.

[mybreakingpoint]

Umm, so Brandon doesn't sign with DTR, but Vinnie did, so how does The Movielife fall into the "anti-DTR" category?? Interviews with the parties involved said plainly that it was truly "creative differences" that led to The Movielife's break-up. Brandon seemed to have issues with the scene, in general. . . going so far as to call out the illustrious Jason Tate for his irony-laced statement that Brand New was the "only band that matters".

And Something Corporate, you can blame on MCA and/or Geffen.

Either way, I don't doubt that DTR has a rather suspect track-record.

Also for the record, I don't think Steel Train or the RX Bandits have any desire to be "huge".

And another note for the record, if a band isn't "marketable", why should the label try to make them "huge"?? From where I sit, all of DTR's "marketable" bands are already as big as they're going to get. I can't imagine TEN being on TRL, if they want to or not, I'm not sure, but I don't think they're a good fit.

I didn't mention Vinnie in The Movielife category, but as Brandon was also a former Movielife member, I was not incorrect in placing The Movielife there. I don't know anything about Vinnie's feelings toward the label. I do know that because of a clause in their Movielife contract, just like Brandon, Vinnie had to send demos to Drive-Thru before signing with anyone else. They techinically didn't really have a choice.
Something Corporate could be as much Drive-Thru's fault as anyone else's, it's hard to say. I didn't say definitively one way or the other.

I also never said anything about bands Wanting to be "huge", but you can hardly argue that both bands deserve better treatment than it appears they've had. RX Bandits didn't want to re-sign to Drive-Thru. I wonder why.
Senses Fail left Drive-Thru for Vagrant. I can't imagine why!
The Starting Line could have re-signed with Drive-Thru after leaving Geffen. Curiously, they did not.

If you don't think "I Want To Hear You Sad" couldn't have been a TRL-worthy song, you haven't been paying much attention to the last 5 year's popular music culture whatsoever. That song, as well as multiple others from the triple-disc, could easily be quite popular. But I still have this conversation quite frequently: "Who's a good band I should listen to?" "The Early November" "Holy shit, these guys are good! Why haven't I heard of them before?"

Regardless of what the bands have wanted, I don't feel like Drive-Thru has done very much for the vast majority of it's recent bands. They did great with New Found Glory for the most part, I'll give them that. But in all honest,y you can't deny that Sometihng Corporate could have been just as big, if not bigger than New Found Glory. Yet they never were. NFG were part of Geffen/MCA as well.

[mybreakingpoint]

Too late... their bands, and their employees

I'm taking it you're a former Drive-Thru employee?

[robdobi]

richard probably asked them to walk on his bare back some more.

[SwedishHeat]

Something Corporate could be as much Drive-Thru's fault as anyone else's, it's hard to say. I didn't say definitively one way or the other.

I also never said anything about bands Wanting to be "huge", but you can hardly argue that both bands deserve better treatment than it appears they've had. RX Bandits didn't want to re-sign to Drive-Thru. I wonder why.
Senses Fail left Drive-Thru for Vagrant. I can't imagine why!
The Starting Line could have re-signed with Drive-Thru after leaving Geffen. Curiously, they did not.

If you don't think "I Want To Hear You Sad" couldn't have been a TRL-worthy song, you haven't been paying much attention to the last 5 year's popular music culture whatsoever. That song, as well as multiple others from the triple-disc, could easily be quite popular. But I still have this conversation quite frequently: "Who's a good band I should listen to?" "The Early November" "Holy shit, these guys are good! Why haven't I heard of them before?"


There's no way you can say SoCo was Drive-Thru's fault. MCA signed them after Audioboxer came out. DTR had no stake in them at that point.

As for why RXB didn't re-sign with DTR, I can point to their DIY-indie ethics, or whatever you want to call it. You might notice that they started their own label, rather than with a pre-existing label, which points to a dislike of labels in general.

Senses Fail was picked up by MCA/Geffen (can't remember which one it was at that point in their restructuring) and Vagrant bought out their contract, through some shady backdoor dealings. DTR pushed the shit out of Senses Fail. SF has no room to speak ill of DTR. History (and Internet rumour mills) shows that Senses Fail were spoiled brats (they might have matured since then), and anything bad that has happened or might happen to them is just karma taking its toll.

Why would TSL want to go back to the minor leagues after playing in the majors?? They have a huge pop-punk sound that's a great fit for a major label. Sure, an "indie" could push them too, but when you've got a huge sound like they do, it'd be silly to be on an indie. Take that major label's money and make the most of it.

So, TEN wrote one catchy pop song, the rest of their music tends to be slow, melodic rock, not very radio of pop-friendly. They don't seem to exhibit any desire or ability to write pop songs. They seem write introspective, thoughtful music. Again, not the ideal choice for pop market. Their triple-disc put me to sleep, and I never listened to it again, so I can't speak for it's pop-friendliness.

I think a band's success has more to do with their desire rather than how the label pushes them. Some bands just want it more than others.

[capnshindig]

My cousin is in this band. I've never met him, but he is my cousin according to my Aunt Susan and my mom. Lead singer with the crazy mowhawk. One day we'll meet.

[MrMet]

the new demos are horrible

[i like apples]

if i was in charge of drive-thru/rushmore:

take self against city,houston calls, the mile after and the cover and make them drive-thru bands.

drop the "rushmore" nonsense and do these bands a favor and treat them well.

[IAmAmazing]

the new demos are horrible
they sound better than their old material

[bring the mosh]

seriously. this was the most mature DTR "discussion" i have read in a very long time. kudos to you all for being grown ups.

it's true, DTR does have their priorities in the wrong place. rushmore is a waste of a label. houston calls was the only worthwhile thing to come out of it.
i really hope they kill any ideas of an "acoustic" label. give it up and pay attention to the artists on your roster -- allister, steel train, ten, socratic, and HIPV -- they are musically the best ones on the it. they put on the best shows and have the strongest fan support (ever been to a hipv show? it's awesome).

everytime i go to a show, and see stefanie, she's too busy dancing around and drinking with all these under age kids instead of being mature and tending to her label. sure, have fun once in a while, but be an adult once in a while.

and oh yea.. a new website is definitely needed asap.

[konstantine94]

Basically.... I don't know the whole DTR situation... but I really loved the bands they used to have like TSL, SC and NFG.

[i like apples]

seriously. this was the most mature DTR "discussion" i have read in a very long time. kudos to you all for being grown ups.

it's true, DTR does have their priorities in the wrong place. rushmore is a waste of a label. houston calls was the only worthwhile thing to come out of it.
i really hope they kill any ideas of an "acoustic" label. give it up and pay attention to the artists on your roster -- allister, steel train, ten, socratic, and HIPV -- they are musically the best ones on the it. they put on the best shows and have the strongest fan support (ever been to a hipv show? it's awesome).

everytime i go to a show, and see stefanie, she's too busy dancing around and drinking with all these under age kids instead of being mature and tending to her label. sure, have fun once in a while, but be an adult once in a while.

and oh yea.. a new website is definitely needed asap.

you couldn't be more right. i've seen stephanie at atleast 3 or 4 shows and EVERYTIME shes in the crowd acting like a fan. yeah thats cool sometimes, but i mean come on, you own the label. show some sense of management or composure.

[myARMISTICE]

Senses Fail has no room to speak ill of DTR. History (and Internet rumour mills) shows that Senses Fail were spoiled brats (they might have matured since then), and anything bad that has happened or might happen to them is just karma taking its toll.


I have never seen Senses Fail say anything bad about DTR in any interview. infact, they make it very clear when asked about the dtr split, that they left because of GEFFEN not Drive Thru.


As much as Drive Thru pissed and moaned about how shitty being locked into the MCA/GEFFEN deal was, that was their springboard to recognition, and they really havent had that much success since leaving the major label backing.

[bring the mosh]

i thought i read an interview with richard where he smacked talked SF. their full length would have never fit on the DTR roster anyways..

[SwedishHeat]

I have never seen Senses Fail say anything bad about DTR in any interview. infact, they make it very clear when asked about the dtr split, that they left because of GEFFEN not Drive Thru.

As much as Drive Thru pissed and moaned about how shitty being locked into the MCA/GEFFEN deal was, that was their springboard to recognition, and they really havent had that much success since leaving the major label backing.

You're taking it a bit out of context. It was implied that Senses Fail did not go back to DTR because of unfair treatment on DTR's part. I was merely "devil's advocating" that scenario.

I think Drive-Thru's in a tough spot because they signed a bunch of great bands, in NFG, SoCo, TSL and Finch and put a lot of hard work into them. Then, MCA took all of them,and reaped the benefits of DTR's work. I'm sure DTR got some kick-back from it, but not as much as they could have if the bands were still on their label. There wass also the infamous Dashboard drama, as well, as the relatively unsuccessful "high-profile" signings of The Movielife and Home Grown. Both bands were well-liked and poised/groomed for scene-stardom, only to call it quits a few years later (it seems to me that Home Grown is over, for all intents and purposes, I don't know if there was ever an official statement). Both of those signnings were probably big $$$ and they never really paid off. For all their success, they've had quite a bit of failures. They've learned a lot of very costly lessons, and they're probably just a lot more cautious now about investing time and money into bands.

[EamonKid]

no offense in the least, i saw your band a year or so ago with Day At The Fair and Skyline Obscura and you have a great band with a lot of potential and I met you and everyone else in your band and you're all great guys as well, but:
1. "Forget What You Know" may have been a "flop" for a major label, but it was and is an unarguably amazing album which I know for a fact countless members of this site enjoy (some better than their previous DTR efforts). They are also neither pennyless nor "officially" broken up. If you read everything Gabe has said lately, including on this very site, you'll see that he talks like there will be Midtown releases in the future. So, please, don't talk about Midtown anymore unless you know exactly what you're saying and can back it up. (If you can, please do.)
2. If somehow a person who works for Drive-Thru happens to read this, which is unlikely, but still possible, Drive-Thru still isn't going to sign you. Sucking up on a message board is not going to get your band signed.
3. You were correct in stating that The Track Record are very nice guys, but were quite incorrect when you said that they aren't hardworking.
They don't tour? Then how is it that I've seen them 4 times since they signed to Rushmore?
Not hard-working? They're about to pay to go into a big-time studio and produce an album themselves. Where did they get the money to get into that studio? By NOT working hard? And producing your own album is NOT hard work? Please. They're great, hard-working guys who just didn't get along with Drive-Thru. It happens. It has happened. Multiple times. But essentially calling The Track Record slackers for pretty much no reason at all is uncalled for.
Is it the Track Record, or Drive-Thru, who has been refusing to help bands record or put out albums in a reasonable amount of time? I'm not saying that Drive-Thru doesn't work hard as well, but between the two, who do you think it's more fair to say that they haven't been working very hard? Think about it.

My personal longest post on AP ever. I normally hate it when people write drawn-out shit like this, but I couldn't help it this time. There was just too much I disagreed with in your post.
Stimulis was a great band but, they Officially broke up a while ago

[EamonKid]

Every word of this post is not meant to have you think I'm a dick, keep in mind I have almost every Drive-Thru release in their catalogue:

Halifax: Has been a DIY band since quite a while before they signed to Drive-Thru. They are stil behind most of the big things they do, including getting their producer and being on whatever MTV show they were on for several episodes. I don't know much else, but I'm unfortunately being pessimistic in assuming that Drive-Thru really did that much.

TEN: Yes, Drive-Thru has always pushed this band as much as they deserve. Probably my favorite thing they've ever done as a label is having gotten them out like they did. I commend them for that. But as I previously stated, if they [Drive-Thru] continue down this path they're on, one would not be hard put to believe that they could screw up their relationship with these guys as well, as sad as it might be.

hellogoodbye: I know the least about this band of the 3, but I do know they are by far, unarguably the poppiest, most marketable band Drive-Thru has ever signed. Ever. Forrest is good looking, and singing songs about girls over bubble gum, synth-heavy pop. I don't think it would have mattered all that much what label they signed to; they're so marketable themselves, Drive-Thru doesn't have to do much. Now, maybe they have, maybe they haven't, but based on what I've been seeing, they could very easily do something stupid and screw this up as well.

Steel Train deserves to be huge. They never will be, but they deserve it.
RX Bandits were never pushed the way they should have been. In my opinion, they've always had the potential to be as popular as Less Than Jake and Reel Big Fish, as far as mainstream Ska goes. But Drive-Thru never did enough with them.
I'm completely neutral on An Angle. I strongly dislike how similar he is to Bright Eyes, but I don't know enough about him or his music to really say much about him.
They've done as well with Socratic as could be expected.
Jenoah, well, I enjoy them, but they'll never be marketable in the least, so I wouldn't be surprised if Drive-Thru screws them over as well.
Adelphi: Some of the best guys ever. Have written a bunch of great music that most likely will be pushed to the side for even longer than it already has been.
Hidden In Plain View: I think they've been good to these guys. They've marketed them well, and gotten them to be a lot bigger than a lot of other similar-sounding bands that aren't half as passionate for what they do as these guys are.
I Can Make A Mess: Can't really say much. This wasn't really ever meant to be that big.
IATA: Few can argue how much bigger these guys should be, and it saddens me that it seems like Drive-Thru hasn't done much at all to help them get bigger.
I'm not a fan of any other band Drive-Thru has signed recently. ESPECIALLY the most recent one (the one who won their contest). Their signing them also makes me lean towards the "Drive-Thru is going down the drain" way of thinking.

Past examples:
Drive-Thru refused to release Caught Inside's full-length because they said their singer wasn't good enough. (This is old, old Drive-Thru for the majority of you who have no idea who these guys are.)
I've been told that they're the reason Last Summer (ex-Super Market All-Stars) had to break up and reform yet again because of issues with the label.
The Movielife: Brandon purposely sent in shitty NOY demos to them so that he wouldn't have to sign with them because of the clause in his Movielife contract. What does that say about the label?
Something Corporate: Whether it's their fault or not, I have no idea, but it is a fact: These guys should have been a platinum, #1 on TRL band. They were almost as marketable as HGB in my opinion, but they were never nearly as huge as they deserved to be.
Midtown: Left the label because they didn't like the direction is going. Listen to Forget What You Know. Are they INSANE?



I could go on and on, and I can if anyone wants me to, but I hope I got my point across? Which is: It's very possible that Drive-Thru is just going down the drain. It saddens me to think they are, but almost everything they've done recently points to that.

And yes, they really, really, desperately need a new website lay out. :) no love for two of the best dtr bands?
Fenix TX and Allister?

[Dan1234]

no love for two of the best dtr bands?
Fenix TX and Allister?

i was thinking the same thing, oh well i don't care though, fuck DTR

[Dan1234]

I forgot to mention Allister (Obviously, Drive-Thru has not done hardly anything with the band that's been on their label the longest on anyone on their roster) and Home Grown (If they're even still around; another band that they have pretty much not done anything with). There's probably more on their current roster that I'm forgetting, but if I am forgetting them, you probably know by now the reason why.

One last point:
I stumbled across the blog of Allister's ex-guitarist who was with the band when they first signed with Drive-Thru and released "You Can' Do That On Vinyl". He had a blog about how horrible Drive-Thru has become, how great the bands they used to sign were, and said that The Wrens made a very smart move in not signing to Drive-Thru. Straight from a former Drive-Thru artist, just like Brandon Reiley (sp?). Doesn't sound like they've got a lot of nice things to say about them.

that's Erik Mueller, he also played guitar on DEAG, haha everything he says about DTR is awesome

[tragedyco]

Hahaha. Soon enough, Rushmore Records will be left with no bands.

wrong, they still have their two best bands. It's all good. I'm sure SAC and HC will just be merged with Drive-Thru and they'll stop doing rushmore.

[AltPressScott]

Heath Saraceno is an official member of Senses Fail. He is not being replaced any time soon. Stop spreading rumors.

[tragedyco]

if i was in charge of drive-thru/rushmore:

take self against city,houston calls, the mile after and the cover and make them drive-thru bands.

drop the "rushmore" nonsense and do these bands a favor and treat them well.

your right, i like the mile after too. But yeah, good call.

[tragedyco]

probably SAC, HC, and TMA, just my guess though...I could see TMA being dropped though

Yeah, i think TMA is recording (or recording soon). That should be good.

[shes.a.ghost]

Heath Saraceno is an official member of Senses Fail. He is not being replaced any time soon. Stop spreading rumors.

Well for awhile he was taken off the "band members" section of thier myspace. Also, he is not in any of thier new promo pics. If he was in the band this whole time then I would be upset if I were him.

[MikeJames]

DATF broke up for personal reasons, and seeing that they were very good friends with richard and stephanie, theyd probably be pissed that you would even suggest it being their fault.

They would have stayed together/found new members if it was something successful and something they wanted to keep doing. They tossed in the towel for a reason, think about it. Madison was friends with Richard for 2 years, look what happened...

[tommyhaych]

if i was in charge of drive-thru/rushmore:

take self against city,houston calls, the mile after and the cover and make them drive-thru bands.

drop the "rushmore" nonsense and do these bands a favor and treat them well.
thats whats going on!! I've said this about 5 times that they are dropping rushmore and moving them all to DTR!

I hear this from a very reliable source - DTR have revamped their website and are gonna be launching it quite soon. Apparently both Rushmore and DTR bands are listed...

It would make sense really. They should also drop the fucking cover, they haven't done anything. Even if they had, it would be pointless keeping them on if the management didn't like what they did.

A former DTR label would be awesome - It would be the TNA to the WWE.

I think they just need a spring clean. Throw out the garbage, tie up all loose ends and not go crazy with money again until they're sure of a great Distro (A couple of years into a deal at least). At this rate, all respect is going out the window.

[GQMike of TSPR]

SAC was gonna leave but then got moved over to DTR. Rushmore will be done by the end of the year. Mark my words.

[tragedyco]

SAC was gonna leave but then got moved over to DTR.

haha, not true... well at least the "SAC was gonna leave" part.

[Pascal DeMaria]

I'm taking it you're a former Drive-Thru employee?

Long story.

and as to RxB leaving DTR, there is way more to that than their DIY ethics. Its a subject no one likes talking about...

[BettyDavisDance]

Rushmore is folding up. The Track Record's new demo songs are not good though! Why would DTR/Rushmore spending thousands and thousands on a CD that will flop?

[lassise]

lol @ dtr / rr. how many bands are happy on that label?

[r3wind74]

I heard the new songs live at a show and I liked them a lot better than the ep material (same goes for the new SAC songs).

Maybe "cleaning house" is needed at DTR? I really don't know much intimate details but the roster does seem to be big for only 2 people to manage (does DTR have anyone else besides R&S to push/promote the bands?).

I think it has been stated many times before that Rush will fold into DTR and SAC & HC are going to DTR though not sure if anyother Rush bands are.

DTR should be fine, I hear a lot of their songs (TEN, HC, HIPV) used on MTV shows.
I still have faith though would have liked TTR to still be on DTR.

[OveriseFan]

lol @ dtr / rr. how many bands are happy on that label?

Early November (Now that the issues with the 3-disc are worked out)

David Melillo

Allister

Halifax

Hellogoodbye

Hidden In Plain View

An Angle

Socratic

Steel Train

Self Against City

Houston Calls

Day at the Fair had nothing but good things to say.

Morning Call seem pretty happy with DTR.

Adelphi, too, haven't said anything negative, although with the demo-situation things are kind of fuzzy...

The Mile After have been writing and soon-to-be recording too, and they seem content.



They all seem pretty happy to me... I dunno.

[tommyhaych]

Rushmore is folding up. The Track Record's new demo songs are not good though! Why would DTR/Rushmore spending thousands and thousands on a CD that will flop?

If all indie labels were like that, then the music industry would suck even more..

[rosematter]

i think its lame when labels start labels
i know it happens all the time with the majors
but why do it with an indie label?
go with what works dont try to micromanage your bands by starting small labels for "smaller" bands that you dont wanna put full focus on.


Smart comment. I don't understand why a smaller indie label would ever want to start an even smaller indie label if it's 100% owned and run by the same people. It's like saying to a band "Hey, our CD's average 50k copies per release, but you're not good enough to sign for that, so we'll sign you to our smaller sub-label thats good for 10k."

It might be true, but it's a pretty blunt way of telling a band that in the first place I suppose. The better way would be to sign them to DTR and tell them "Hey, if the first album does well on what budget we can give you, it'll most likely increase with thenext album." You don't need another label to make this dividing line though.

[drivthru182]

Someone said this earlier, I would just like to reiterate: this is the most intelligent and mature Drive Thru conversation in a long long time.

I have been a huge fan of DTR for a while (it's my user name). I first got into them around the same time most of the people on this site did...when New Found Glory released their self titled, and the whole pop-punk idea was very big, and very sucessful. Those bands on DT, your old NFGs and old TSLs and your Allisters and Home Growns and Fenix TX's...those are the bands Drive Thru started with.

I feel they have branched out way too much on their genre of music. They went from an obvious pop punk label into a slighlty more diverse label. It has been said a few times in this thread, but Steel Train and RX Bandits were 2 great bands that were (and ST still are) signed to DTR.

The problem is, Drive Thru doesn't know how to treat all their bands with the same, for lack of better words, respect. They can market the poppiest of bands, but not the mellowest. Some of you may say, "Oh but poppier bands are eaiser to market." It may be true that is it easier, but it isn't impossible. There are loads of bands that are mellow, yet still sucessful. Coldplay, Death Cab for Cutie (just to name a few...aka i ran out of examples) are 2 very mellow, yet very sucessful bands. Their labels, even indie labels (barsuk \m/) can market their sound. If DTR cannot commit to mellower bands, and cannot market them,, they shouldn't sign them. It's a waste of thier money, and the artists time. DTR should stick to selling awesome bands with the pop punk/upbeat vibe to them.

Don't get me wrong, I absolulty love the mellower stuff DTR puts out, and the not-as-TV=friendly artisits, but if they can't makret one...why try and market 3 or 4 o 5?

And also, did someone say something concerning how The Early November can't make a poppier song? Are you kidding me?

[OveriseFan]

Someone said this earlier, I would just like to reiterate: this is the most intelligent and mature Drive Thru conversation in a long long time.

I have been a huge fan of DTR for a while (it's my user name). I first got into them around the same time most of the people on this site did...when New Found Glory released their self titled, and the whole pop-punk idea was very big, and very sucessful. Those bands on DT, your old NFGs and old TSLs and your Allisters and Home Growns and Fenix TX's...those are the bands Drive Thru started with.

I feel they have branched out way too much on their genre of music. They went from an obvious pop punk label into a slighlty more diverse label. It has been said a few times in this thread, but Steel Train and RX Bandits were 2 great bands that were (and ST still are) signed to DTR.

The problem is, Drive Thru doesn't know how to treat all their bands with the same, for lack of better words, respect. They can market the poppiest of bands, but not the mellowest. Some of you may say, "Oh but poppier bands are eaiser to market." It may be true that is it easier, but it isn't impossible. There are loads of bands that are mellow, yet still sucessful. Coldplay, Death Cab for Cutie (just to name a few...aka i ran out of examples) are 2 very mellow, yet very sucessful bands. Their labels, even indie labels (barsuk \m/) can market their sound. If DTR cannot commit to mellower bands, and cannot market them,, they shouldn't sign them. It's a waste of thier money, and the artists time. DTR should stick to selling awesome bands with the pop punk/upbeat vibe to them.

Don't get me wrong, I absolulty love the mellower stuff DTR puts out, and the not-as-TV=friendly artisits, but if they can't makret one...why try and market 3 or 4 o 5?

And also, did someone say something concerning how The Early November can't make a poppier song? Are you kidding me?

He said they don't care about writing albums full of poppy songs. They care about writing good songs, and many are kind of mellow...

[funnyg]

yea thats why midtown's major label debut was aflop and they broke up and are pennyless and also for all of the people on here who talk and dont knwo any facts just specualtion, the track record, although they are aweosme guys, havent done a whoel lot of toruign or anything and they took loong to demo and present songs to dtr/rushmore. rushmroe signed them after onyl hearing their EP which was immediatly releeased on rushmore and according to many people, they hadnt lived up to their potential as far has hard work is concerned. it is ashame they hadnt recorded their full length , i am a fan of the music and i met the guys a few times and they were very nice, but its a 2 way deal in roder to get a record releeased, atleast do your part to create hype so the label has a reason to releease it

this guy is an idiot... they are one of the hardest working bands i know... REALLY good friends of mine.... they did an entire US tour and then came home to write an album practiced 40 hours a week... recorded demos... then RE recorded them... then again... cause drive thru wasnt feeling them.... its BS... if you ask me this band has been ready to record for at least half a year if not more.. and every change in the music drive thru wants from them in my opinion takes away from the original sound that TTR has.... fuck that

[tommyhaych]

On the flipside, If drive-thru would have stuck through the Pop-Punk sound, they would no doubt be bankrupt now. Everyone on here would be like 'fucking DTR.. why don't you sign some original bands', which is exactly what they have done - Finch pretty much helped launch the screamo era, HGB + Houston Calls were signed just in time for the synthy era.

They made a good choice signing the mellow bands, which have introduced me to some beautiful music (Socratic). I don't know about you lot, but it's rare they signed a band which are hated by the majority, and if the majority hated them at first, a lot were surprised by their album.

I just hope they spend all money on recording and releasing existing bands material and thats it.

[Chevy114]

This will fuel the fire of the dtr haters. Sorry to hear that you and DTR couldn't agree what sound would be best for you, and good luck!

P.S. What trend? Day at the fair broke up and they left rushmore outside of that, the rest of the bands I talk to seem to be happy with richard, stephanie, and rushmore. If other bands are unhappy and wanted out I'm sure they could get out just as easy like other people are saying.

[escapepodrock]

just to sum up this banter, which also happened on the madison news post about their breakup...

rushmore is going to be no more. everyone will be drive-thru. rushmore was a project went wrong, and richard and stefanie are now realizing that and trying to revamp drive-thru band-wise and website and distro and all that.

they hit a rough spot and are depserately trying to regain what they had, which they are doing all the right things to achieve as of now.

as for the track record, whoever said 'why would dtr want to release a shitty record' is pretty much the idea. it was for madison as well. the new demos that were sent their (r&s) way weren't good enough. it's as easy as that. i dont care how hardworking or talented a band is.. you still have to write good songs, and that didnt happen.

fo' sho.

[escapepodrock]

P.S. What trend? Day at the fair broke up and they left rushmore outside of that, the rest of the bands I talk to seem to be happy with richard, stephanie, and rushmore. If other bands are unhappy and wanted out I'm sure they could get out just as easy like other people are saying.

wrongggg. its called a contract. if richard and stefanie are unhappy they can drop you - but you (the band) cant get out of things that easy.

[Greg]

remember when Rich and Stef totally dropped the ball on FOB?

man that was great

[Will Bryme]

seriously. this was the most mature DTR "discussion" i have read in a very long time. kudos to you all for being grown ups.

it's true, DTR does have their priorities in the wrong place. rushmore is a waste of a label. houston calls was the only worthwhile thing to come out of it.
i really hope they kill any ideas of an "acoustic" label. give it up and pay attention to the artists on your roster -- allister, steel train, ten, socratic, and HIPV -- they are musically the best ones on the it. they put on the best shows and have the strongest fan support (ever been to a hipv show? it's awesome).

everytime i go to a show, and see stefanie, she's too busy dancing around and drinking with all these under age kids instead of being mature and tending to her label. sure, have fun once in a while, but be an adult once in a while.

and oh yea.. a new website is definitely needed asap.

Yeah, it's sooooooooo lame how she goes out and supports her bands and talks to the fans

[RockVocalPower]

Early November (Now that the issues with the 3-disc are worked out)

David Melillo

Allister

Halifax

Hellogoodbye

Hidden In Plain View

An Angle

Socratic

Steel Train

Self Against City

Houston Calls

Day at the Fair had nothing but good things to say.

Morning Call seem pretty happy with DTR.

Adelphi, too, haven't said anything negative, although with the demo-situation things are kind of fuzzy...

The Mile After have been writing and soon-to-be recording too, and they seem content.



They all seem pretty happy to me... I dunno.

Trust me, things aren't all warm and fuzzy.

[grouchytiger]

Yeah, it's sooooooooo lame how she goes out and supports her bands and talks to the fans

exactly

[hollywoodending]

cockmore records suck rush.