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Wake Up
05/15/10, 10:07 PM
Filmmaker Davis Guggenheim reminds us that education "statistics" have names: Anthony, Francisco, Bianca, Daisy, and Emily, whose stories make up the engrossing foundation of WAITING FOR SUPERMAN. As he follows a handful of promising kids through a system that inhibits, rather than encourages, academic growth, Guggenheim undertakes an exhaustive review of public education, surveying "drop-out factories" and "academic sinkholes," methodically dissecting the system and its seemingly intractable problems.

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TJ Wells
05/23/10, 06:47 AM
I've never had a movie trailer make me tear up before, but this came damn close. Wow.
distilledw
05/23/10, 05:54 PM
I've never had a movie trailer make me tear up before, but this came damn close. Wow.

Same here. Amazing. Can't wait to see this. Especially when i am seriously considering entering into a career as a teacher.
Wake Up
06/21/10, 06:38 PM
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Jason Tate
09/20/10, 08:13 PM
This is a must see.
deadkidsean
09/20/10, 08:26 PM
Really, really, really can't wait. Love Guggenheim. I think it's premiering in LA tonight.
PaulsRightNut
09/21/10, 02:21 PM
I'm not a huge documentary buff but this looks really great. The trailer made me tear up too.
meeotch
09/21/10, 06:21 PM
It's starting here Friday. Guess I might have to catch it.
chokeychicken
10/15/10, 04:52 PM
bumping this so people are aware that this is in most major markets at your local indie theatre. This movie will blow your mind. I have been to Sundance 4 years now and this is hands down the best film I have ever seen there. See this movie. It will change things. Or at least it should.
cantnokdahustle
10/15/10, 05:08 PM
This doc. is complete pile of shit. Privatizing/Marketizing education will further the education gap into such a massively fucked, segregated climate. To cherry pick the dozen charter schools that are doing great things (and they are, on massive budgets and tiny student populations), and ignore the hundreds of thousands that pop up every single day that are far worse than our public schools is asinine.

We had a screening here, among the policy students and professors, 3/4 of sat in disgust, while the neoliberals and conservatives cheered their asses off.

Yes, there is a big fucking problem in education, but it is not a problem that EMOs have somehow solved (beyond the obvious of lots of money for few kids).
Jason Tate
10/15/10, 05:10 PM
This doc. is complete pile of shit. Privatizing/Marketizing education will further the education gap into such a massively fucked, segregated climate. To cherry pick the dozen charter schools that are doing great things (and they are, on massive budgets and tiny student populations), and ignore the hundreds of thousands that pop up every single day that are far worse than our public schools is asinine.

We had a screening here, among the policy students and professors, 3/4 of sat in disgust, while the neoliberals and conservatives cheered their asses off.

Yes, there is a big fucking problem in education, but it is not a problem that EMOs have somehow solved (beyond the obvious of lots of money for few kids).
Are you a teacher?
zion the lion
10/15/10, 05:11 PM
...so then did the boy's number get picked?
cantnokdahustle
10/15/10, 05:16 PM
Are you a teacher?

Ed. Policy student
cantnokdahustle
10/15/10, 05:17 PM
Some nice data from Stanford on America's charter schools: http://credo.stanford.edu/
Jason Tate
10/15/10, 05:18 PM
Ed. Policy student
Probably explains your inherent bias to some of the ideas in the film.
Jason Tate
10/15/10, 05:19 PM
Some nice data from Stanford on America's charter schools: http://credo.stanford.edu/
Hmm, reading some of the pdfs.

Edit: A recent study of charter schools' effect on student achievement has been published by CREDO (2009). It contains a serious statistical mistake that causes a negative bias in its estimate of how charter schools affect achievement. (http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/memo_on_the_credo_study.pdf) The main conclusion is that the CREDO study is not reliable, most obviously because the statistical mistake means that its estimates of the charter school effect are substantially biased downwards from the truth.

Not so nice data.
cantnokdahustle
10/15/10, 05:20 PM
Probably explains your inherent bias to some of the ideas in the film.

No, it would explain my politics and my studies on the problems that reside in our system of education (of which, one of them is teachers and our teacher training programs).
Jason Tate
10/15/10, 05:22 PM
No, it would explain my politics and my studies on the problems that reside in our system of education (of which, one of them is teachers and our teacher training programs).
Um, yes which would be your inherent bias.
cantnokdahustle
10/15/10, 05:23 PM
Hmm, reading some of the pdfs.

Hmm, was that the one titled:

NEW STANFORD REPORT FINDS SERIOUS
QUALITY CHALLENGE IN NATIONAL
CHARTER SCHOOL SECTOR
Report Recognizes Robust Demand, Supply and Exceptional Charters, Faults Quality Controls,
Authorizers and Charter Caps

Listen, I'm not trying to convince you that our schools are fine, that's indefensible. What I am trying to convince you of, however, is that the solutions presented in this film are far from the panacea they are presented as. In fact, that many people would love to make a shit load of money off of the education system and are chomping at the bit after this film.
cantnokdahustle
10/15/10, 05:25 PM
Um, yes which would be your inherent bias.

So, my inherent bias is that I have scholarship on the topic, interesting.
Jason Tate
10/15/10, 05:25 PM
Hmm, was that the one titled:

NEW STANFORD REPORT FINDS SERIOUS
QUALITY CHALLENGE IN NATIONAL
CHARTER SCHOOL SECTOR
Report Recognizes Robust Demand, Supply and Exceptional Charters, Faults Quality Controls,
Authorizers and Charter Caps

Listen, I'm not trying to convince you that our schools are fine, that's indefensible. What I am trying to convince you of, however, is that the solutions presented in this film are far from the panacea they are presented as. In fact, that many people would love to make a shit load of money off of the education system and are chomping at the bit after this film.
No, it was from:

A Serious Statistical Mistake In The
CREDO Study of Charter Schools
Caroline M. Hoxby (http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/memo_on_the_credo_study.pdf)
September 2009

Well, for one - I have no problem with people making money off the education system. I'm glad the film is, at the very least, raising the debate and showing people how fucked our education system is.
Jason Tate
10/15/10, 05:26 PM
So, my inherent bias is that I have scholarship on the topic, interesting.
Yes, it's a confirmation bias - for one.
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10/15/10, 05:30 PM
I got the book from the Colbert show. That is all I have to add
cantnokdahustle
10/15/10, 06:09 PM
No, it was from:

A Serious Statistical Mistake In The
CREDO Study of Charter Schools
Caroline M. Hoxby (http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/memo_on_the_credo_study.pdf)
September 2009

Well, for one - I have no problem with people making money off the education system. I'm glad the film is, at the very least, raising the debate and showing people how fucked our education system is.


Unfortunately, it's still the best data we have on the achievement of charter school's in the U.S., until the 2010 study comes out.

Nobody wants folks to stop talking about this issue, but they need to stop talking about it as if "we" (researchers, politicians, Joe Fuckstick) have any clear and simple way of turning around our schools without truly leaving many impoverished communities well behind. Again, there are great charter schools, but nationally they shut down at a much higher rate than even our shitty public schools. And in so, leave in their wake students who have to integrate into some other program.

I have a problem with anyone making money off of education. I don't want to see the public education system run by the same EMOs as University of Phoenix, Strayer, Capella, etc...


Yes, it's a confirmation bias - for one.

Yeah, I hear those are a pain in ass to shake.
Wake Up
11/14/10, 08:16 AM
Did anyone wind up seeing this?
caveBEAR
11/14/10, 08:33 AM
Well, for one - I have no problem with people making money off the education system. I'm glad the film is, at the very least, raising the debate and showing people how fucked our education system is.

My county has some shitty, shitty charter schools that are getting into trouble around here, so while I agree that charter schools are not the end all answer that some people hope they are, I definitely agree with you that this film at least stimulates debate/talk. The fact that we aren't, as a nation, fucking disgusted with our educational system is...well, fucking disgusting.
bradyreier
11/14/10, 08:42 AM
Did anyone wind up seeing this?
I did and absolutely loved it. Whole thing was terrific and the last 15 minutes were incredibly powerful - still find myself thinking about it often.

You see it?
Wake Up
11/14/10, 08:48 AM
I did and absolutely loved it. Whole thing was terrific and the last 15 minutes were incredibly powerful - still find myself thinking about it often.

You see it?

It's playing close to me, so I figured I'd get some opinions before I headed out.

All the reviews I've read thus far have been positive.