branch to the seahawks for a first rounder...

[fromwithin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2583149

[xbrokendownx]

yesss peace deion

[mikeford]

hahaha i cant believe we got a first rounder for him.

[fluke182]

I can't believe we got a first either, but at the same time, I really hope Gabriel and Jackson get with it fast because we need receivers. It's going to be hard to be elite with no top receivers (Excluding tight ends).

[mht]

ben watson will rape kids this season


1000+ 10+ tds. easy.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

wow the seahawks gave up a first round pick, nice job jerks

[xbrokendownx]

ben watson will rape kids this season


1000+ 10+ tds. easy.







no

[fromwithin]

i can't believe the eagles got stallworth for only a fourth rounder.

[Dirty Ernie]

i can't believe the eagles got stallworth for only a fourth rounder.

we can thank the saints for taking mark simoneau off our hands as well, and also for not resigning darren howard

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

wow the seahawks gave up a first round pick, nice job jerks
Haha yeah. They're THAT desperate for a WR.

Darrell Jackson is still hurt. They lost Jurevicius in the offseason.

Step up to the plate, Deion, you're the #1 in Seattle til the Ying-Yang Twins' clone gets back into shape

[hockey0001]

ben watson will rape kids this season


1000+ 10+ tds. easy.

i doubt it. The Patriots spread the ball around too much for Watson to get to 1000 yards.

[justinevans]

well time to cut nate burleson

[FondestMemory]

dude's not worth a first rounder. not even a late first rounder.

kudos to the pats for making this all work out fairly well for themselves.

and fuck branch.

[EnderDove]

Yessss, now I can start him in my fantasty league.

[Vincewithouthee]

A first rounder for him?

Wow.

[mht]

i doubt it. The Patriots spread the ball around too much for Watson to get to 1000 yards.



he is a great big target for brady, brady has been used to all these fucking little shit 5 foot recievers that he had to spread the ball out, with dillon and maroney ripping the run that will open it for dump passes to the big te. he will get close to a 1000 maybe not a 1000, but hes a good target in the red zone when they need to pass.

[still life]

Yes, I love it. No more Branch to worry about in the AFC playoffs.

Seattle fans should be happy, Patriot fans should be pissed at their FO for this season.

[FondestMemory]

Yes, I love it. No more Branch to worry about in the AFC playoffs.

Seattle fans should be happy, Patriot fans should be pissed at their FO for this season.

i'd take a first rounder over an overpaid selfish receiver anyways.

i don't see how you could be pissed at the pats front office. they got more than he was worth. i think they handled the entire thing perfectly.

[fromwithin]

I posted this in the general but look at some of Seattle's contracts:

Walter Jones $49 million
Nate Burleson $49 million
Julian Peterson $54 million
Deion Branch $36 million
Shaun Alexander $62 million
Matt Hasselbeck $49 million
Darrell Jackson $25 million

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

he is a great big target for brady, brady has been used to all these fucking little shit 5 foot recievers that he had to spread the ball out, with dillon and maroney ripping the run that will open it for dump passes to the big te. he will get close to a 1000 maybe not a 1000, but hes a good target in the red zone when they need to pass.
Don't overexcite yourself. Maroney tore it up against the Bills defense. Big fucking deal. That's like Barry Sanders running for 400 against a Pop Warner team at age 65.

That's how bad the Bills D is.

[FondestMemory]

Don't overexcite yourself. Maroney tore it up against the Bills defense. Big fucking deal. That's like Barry Sanders running for 400 against a Pop Warner team at age 65.

That's how bad the Bills D is.

maroney's gonna be real good though. he'll tear up a few defenses along the way this year.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

maroney's gonna be real good though. he'll tear up a few defenses along the way this year.
Yeah, I'm sure he will be. I just don't think anyone should expect a 1700-2000 yard season of him just because he gashed the Bills D....just like every other RB in the last 20-ish games.

[still life]

i'd take a first rounder over an overpaid selfish receiver anyways.

i don't see how you could be pissed at the pats front office. they got more than he was worth. i think they handled the entire thing perfectly.

He's not selfish, look at the cheap team he played for.

I'm talking about what they've done this off-season in general

They're relying on a washed up Junior Seau to help their LB corps, Rodney Harrison's bionic leg to help the secondary that still lacks a good corner, and they now have a WR depth chart with 50 year old Troy Brown, 2nd round pick Chad Jackson that can't even stay healthy to practice, Doug "Oakland damaged goods" Gabriel, Reche Caldwell (bust), and some practice squad type players. They're also relying on Maroney to be a dominant rookie (which is possible, but he needs to do more than tear up Buffalo) a rookie kicker to fill Vinatier's shoes, and Ben Watson to be the next Gates, when the guy's all potential, nothing proven.

And they'll still win at least 9 games because of their shitty division (and from yesterday's game, the refs still love them).

[justinevans]

i'd take a first rounder over an overpaid selfish receiver anyways.

i don't see how you could be pissed at the pats front office. they got more than he was worth. i think they handled the entire thing perfectly.

exactly.

[AntsInMyPants92]

pretty good deal for both teams i could see the pats movin up in the draft and gettin calvin johnson but they drafted chad jackson last year

[mikeford]

gee all i heard from still life was WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHH

[FondestMemory]

He's not selfish, look at the cheap team he played for.

he skipped training camp and has been nothing but a baby all this offseason even though he had a year left on his contract. not to mention he did this on a team where the best qb in the league took less money than he's worth so to not put the team in a rough situation signing other players.

if that's not selfish, then i need to relearn what the word means.

[justinevans]

he skipped training camp and has been nothing but a baby all this offseason even though he had a year left on his contract. not to mention he did this on a team where the best qb in the league took less money than he's worth so to not put the team in a rough situation signing other players.

if that's not selfish, then i need to relearn what the word means.

yeah atleast TO showed up.

[still life]

he skipped training camp and has been nothing but a baby all this offseason even though he had a year left on his contract. not to mention he did this on a team where the best qb in the league took less money than he's worth so to not put the team in a rough situation signing other players.

if that's not selfish, then i need to relearn what the word means.

Actually Brady's making $5M more this year than the real best QB in the league.

Branch should not be paid a little over $1M for this season. He did the right thing.

[mikeford]

whos the "real" best QB? the guy without a helmet or the guy without a meaningful win in his entire life? you're a joke dude.

[still life]

You're right, Brady's just like Tiger Woods, better than everyone.

Ignoring football's a team sport and teams win games of course.

[mikeford]

thanks for dodgin the question, bill oreilly.

[still life]

You already know the answer dumbass, and no it's not Roethlisberger.

[mikeford]

all praise peyton manning and his 4 interceptions a game in january in foxboro.

he's sooooooooooooo good.

oh wait, i'm sorry. the ultimate measure of an athlete is how they perform in the playoffs. sooooooo you're dumb.

[still life]

Without Vinatieri, Brady might not have a single SB ring.

And those 4 interceptions by Manning weren't as costly as the 2 Brady threw against Denver this past year.

[mikeford]

please continue to defend peyton manning. please discuss how his failures in college were also not his fault and pass the buck to somebody else. its sad when people cant see a choke artist for what they really are. you probably really loved karl malone too.

[youkwalks]

Without Vinatieri, Brady might not have a single SB ring.

And those 4 interceptions by Manning weren't as costly as the 2 Brady threw against Denver this past year.
Vinatieri is good, but any kicker can kick three kicks and become a super-star. They were crucial, yes, and I will always love him for it, but any other good kicker in the league could of done with he did.

Also, your assessment of the Pat's WR/TE core is the most pessimistic assessment.

[FondestMemory]

Actually Brady's making $5M more this year than the real best QB in the league.

Branch should not be paid a little over $1M for this season. He did the right thing.

brady has done more with less around him. but yet he's still overrated? ok, got ya. makes perfect sense. you should wipe the hate out of your eyes because it causes you to say some damned ridiculous stuff.

and fuck branch. he signed the contract. you want more money, you go fucking play for it. have a monster year and then leave the pats with a dilemma. don't put yourself above the team and be a total bitch about it.

especially considering we're talking about a guy who's never had 80+ catches or 1000 yards in a season.

[fromwithin]

Vinatieri is good, but any kicker can kick three kicks and become a super-star. They were crucial, yes, and I will always love him for it, but any other good kicker in the league could of done with he did.

I dont believe this for one second. Look at Mike Vanderjagt, he's the most accurate (and arguably best) kicker in the league today and he missed a kick that was only in a playoff game, not the Super Bowl. The pressure that Vinatieri faced on THREE separate occasions was more than any player ever has to deal with, he's a clutch kicker. He will get into the Hall for this reason.

[fromwithin]

he skipped training camp and has been nothing but a baby all this offseason even though he had a year left on his contract. not to mention he did this on a team where the best qb in the league took less money than he's worth so to not put the team in a rough situation signing other players.

if that's not selfish, then i need to relearn what the word means.

I agree with this, and while it's ridiculous what he did I believe the pats should've paid him. Why? Well when your QB who is taking less money than he's worth to stay with the team and he wants this guy there, I think you should listen to him. I'm sure he's very comfortable with Branch and was looking forward to having him as a threat.

It's guys like TO that make the other players think that theyre better than the team and get away with this shit. Could you imagine doing that at a real job:

"Yeah I'm not going to be able to work today, sorry about that."

Then when the big presentation comes he jumps right in and act as if nothing happened. For as someone in as amazing of physical shape as he is, a hamstring should not deter him.

[mikeford]

brady has done more with less around him. but yet he's still overrated? ok, got ya. makes perfect sense. you should wipe the hate out of your eyes because it causes you to say some damned ridiculous stuff.

and fuck branch. he signed the contract. you want more money, you go fucking play for it. have a monster year and then leave the pats with a dilemma. don't put yourself above the team and be a total bitch about it.

especially considering we're talking about a guy who's never had 80+ catches or 1000 yards in a season.

bottom line on the branch situation.

YOU SIGNED A LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT THAT PAID YOU THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME SERVICED.

YOU CANT JUST DECIDE YOU WANT OUT OF THAT CUZ YOURE MAD ABOUT THE LEVEL OF PAY NOW.

[justinevans]

bottom line on the branch situation.

YOU SIGNED A LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT THAT PAID YOU THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME SERVICED.

YOU CANT JUST DECIDE YOU WANT OUT OF THAT CUZ YOURE MAD ABOUT THE LEVEL OF PAY NOW.

I agree, mostly. The only part that I can understand with NFL players is that teams do not have to guarantee the entire portion of their contract.

[brutusUbastard]

Looks like I know where Calvin Johnson is going when he goes into the draft next year

[histrionics22]

Looks like I know where Calvin Johnson is going when he goes into the draft next year
Unless the Pats get a top 5 pick this year, I doubt he ends up in New England.

[Scott Weber]

Haha yeah. They're THAT desperate for a WR.

Darrell Jackson is still hurt. They lost Jurevicius in the offseason.

Step up to the plate, Deion, you're the #1 in Seattle til the Ying-Yang Twins' clone gets back into shape
Seattle isn't desperate for a WR at all, which is why this trade is somewhat weird to me. Darrell Jackson is 90% healthy, he played last week and caught 3 or 4 passes. We just picked up Nate Burleson. Bobby Engram is one of the best clutch, slot receivers in the game. Now Branch? Hm. I don't know how I feel about it. I know he's a threat, but I'm just not sure if he's what we need. I don't care that much about the draft pick for him because he's a better player than the 30th pick or whatever we'll get in 07, I just feel like the WR position is a little overloaded at this point now.

[IAmNietzche]

Seattle isn't desperate for a WR at all, which is why this trade is somewhat weird to me. Darrell Jackson is 90% healthy, he played last week and caught 3 or 4 passes. We just picked up Nate Burleson. Bobby Engram is one of the best clutch, slot receivers in the game. Now Branch? Hm. I don't know how I feel about it. I know he's a threat, but I'm just not sure if he's what we need. I don't care that much about the draft pick for him because he's a better player than the 30th pick or whatever we'll get in 07, I just feel like the WR position is a little overloaded at this point now.
30th pick, I don't think so.

[Scott Weber]

30th pick, I don't think so.
....we had the 31st pick last year, and many people are picking us to win the Super Bowl, and most are picking Seattle to win the NFC, so.... ?

[mikeford]

madden curse.

[Scott Weber]

madden curse.
Doesn't exist. Been through it a million times on these forums before. Every player, following a career year (which merits him the Madden cover), is bound to have a less successful year the following year. It's not Madden, it's common sense.

[mikeford]

madden curse.

[Scott Weber]

madden curse.
:dunce:

[cahrishurr]

It will be seattle and carolina in the NFC championship again this year.

Seattle has just too much good going for them to not make it back. And Carolina? Well hah I think we know where I stand on that.

[mikeford]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mikeford/maddencurse.jpg

[Scott Weber]

The Ray Lewis one is fucking hilaaaaaarious, such a stretch. That's when the Madden Curse was broken, they had to pull something out of their asses to make it work. Same with the Eddie George one. Dude made a mistake, his team still made the playoffs, and they call THAT the Madden curse? How can you not see through that? I thought you, of all people, would have more sense than to believe that kind of stuff. I love how they already added Shaun Alexander too, that's so funny. Nevermind the fact that Larry Johnson had a shitty game too. Nope, must be that madden curse.

[marrost]

The Ray Lewis one is fucking hilaaaaaarious, such a stretch. That's when the Madden Curse was broken, they had to pull something out of their asses to make it work. Same with the Eddie George one. Dude made a mistake, his team still made the playoffs, and they call THAT the Madden curse? How can you not see through that? I thought you, of all people, would have more sense than to believe that kind of stuff. I love how they already added Shaun Alexander too, that's so funny. Nevermind the fact that Larry Johnson had a shitty game too. Nope, must be that madden curse.Ever stop to think that maybe he's fucking with you, after three identical posts? Sounds like you're a little worried.

[Scott Weber]

Ever stop to think that maybe he's fucking with you, after three identical posts? Sounds like you're a little worried.
:dunce:

[marrost]

The Ray Lewis one is fucking hilaaaaaarious, such a stretch. That's when the Madden Curse was broken, they had to pull something out of their asses to make it work. Same with the Eddie George one. Dude made a mistake, his team still made the playoffs, and they call THAT the Madden curse? How can you not see through that? I thought you, of all people, would have more sense than to believe that kind of stuff. I love how they already added Shaun Alexander too, that's so funny. Nevermind the fact that Larry Johnson had a shitty game too. Nope, must be that madden curse.:dunce:

[mikeford]

:stick:

[FondestMemory]

the pats should take that first round pick and offer it to the raiders for jerry porter.

everybody's a winner.

[still life]

please continue to defend peyton manning. please discuss how his failures in college were also not his fault and pass the buck to somebody else. its sad when people cant see a choke artist for what they really are. you probably really loved karl malone too.

They weren't, the Gators were a much better team, the real mismatch was always Spurrier vs. Fulmer. People try and use the Tee Martin excuse, yet look past the fact that Tee Martin only threw for 64 yards against a shittier Florida team that year in a game they escaped with a win in overtime.

If I lived in Utah I might like the mail man, but basketball is a much different sport, where one player actually can carry a team to victory, because he's playing both sides of the ball and is only one of five guys on the court.

Vinatieri is good, but any kicker can kick three kicks and become a super-star. They were crucial, yes, and I will always love him for it, but any other good kicker in the league could of done with he did.

Also, your assessment of the Pat's WR/TE core is the most pessimistic assessment

Any kicker? Did you see John Hall last night? Did you see Vanderjagt in the clutch? Remember Doug Brien in Pittsburgh two years ago? Vinatieri should be in the HOF when he retires.

brady has done more with less around him. but yet he's still overrated? ok, got ya. makes perfect sense. you should wipe the hate out of your eyes because it causes you to say some damned ridiculous stuff.

and fuck branch. he signed the contract. you want more money, you go fucking play for it. have a monster year and then leave the pats with a dilemma. don't put yourself above the team and be a total bitch about it.

especially considering we're talking about a guy who's never had 80+ catches or 1000 yards in a season.

Done more? Not as an individual he hasn't, and hard to say he's had less around him. The best coaching staff, an elite defense, and the most clutch kicker are the kind of things any QB would want.

Branch's numbers are hurt by their gimmicky offense. If they ran more traditional 3 WR/1 TE sets, Branch would have those numbers. Injuries have also hurt his numbers.

Players should have the right to hold out, it's their only leverage on the team.

[FondestMemory]

Players should have the right to hold out, it's their only leverage on the team.

right. but teams also have the right to expect players to honor the contracts they've signed.

[xbrokendownx]

right. but teams also have the right to expect players to honor the contracts they've signed.






bingo

[still life]

right. but teams also have the right to expect players to honor the contracts they've signed.

A 5 year contract for a 2nd round pick that's way below market value, Branch did the right thing.

[FondestMemory]

A 5 year contract for a 2nd round pick that's way below market value, Branch did the right thing.

fair enough.

so did the pats.

[mikeford]

the pats should take that first round pick and offer it to the raiders for jerry porter.

everybody's a winner.

except the patriots.

fuckouttahere with that.

[FondestMemory]

except the patriots.

fuckouttahere with that.

like you couldn't use porter? possesion receiver who is also a deep threat?

makes perfect sense to me. i'd take him over branch anyways.

everybody's a winner.

[mikeford]

there is no place for disgruntled people in the patriots organization. why would another organizations headache be good for the pats?

[justinevans]

like you couldn't use porter? possesion receiver who is also a deep threat?

makes perfect sense to me. i'd take him over branch anyways.

everybody's a winner.

Jerry Porter is not worth a 1st round pick however.

The only reason Branch was worth a 1st round pick was because Seattle is desperate, their pick would be low most likely, similar to a Jets 2nd rounder, and they do not need their picks as much as the Pats who are aging for the most part in key positions on defense.

It was a great trade for the Pats especially if their running game can be effective. The Pats will make the playoffs, but they're not a super bowl team. Two first round picks could bring them back. A whiny, injury prone WR is not.

[hockey0001]

i'd take a first rounder over an overpaid selfish receiver anyways.

i don't see how you could be pissed at the pats front office. they got more than he was worth. i think they handled the entire thing perfectly.

and they also offered him atleast one, and a rumored second extension, that would have paid him around $6 million a year and Branch turned them both down.

[still life]

Jerry Porter sucks, Branch is way better.