"Nice Guys" Vs "Bad Boys"

[PandaBear!]

What are girls preferences? What the hell IS a "bad boy".

I've always been told i'm to 'nice' when it comes to chasin' babes, so i tried going down the "bad boy" route a few times and i then get told i'm too much of an asshole!? i thought that's what bad boys are - guys that toe the douchebag line?....
Does it even matter to girls whether a guy is too nice? and how is a bad boy not an asshole?
Please discuss...... :-)

[showmethefever]

Girls like pricks for some reason.

[bung]

Good rule of thumb is that most women prefer the bad boy but will say they prefer the nice guy.

[introduction]

"I think I can change him..."

[Mibabalou]

stab people, bitches love that

[VeryWittyName]

Fact is, douchebags have elements to their personality that are attractive. Spontaneity, independence, not giving a damn about what people think...etc.

[alliegator16]

There are pros and cons to both.

Like "nice guys" will be sweet and thoughtful and make you feel good...but might just be pussies.

And then the "bad boys" might be assholes, but they're generally more fun and exciting.

So...I'm not sure which one I prefer, honestly. But I suppose "nice guys" end up in the friend zone a lot haha Something about "bad boys" makes girls want to go after them, even though they probably won't end up being "marriage material" or whatever.

:O

[.invisible ink.]

if you describe yourself as a "nice guy" you're probably truly just a douchebag in disguise: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/05/alt-text-nice-guys-guide/

[showmethefever]

if you describe yourself as a "nice guy" some girl that you like is interested in another guy and you think that he is a douchebag, so all girls just like douchebags and that's not your fault
Fixed haha

[Akissforher]

Like "nice guys" will be sweet and thoughtful and make you feel good...but might just be pussies.


This is pretty much what my friends tell me i am all the time :\

[alliegator16]

if you describe yourself as a "nice guy" you're probably truly just a douchebag in disguise: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/05/alt-text-nice-guys-guide/

That article's definition of "nice guy" seems to be "geeky loser"

[tkamB]

http://failinggracefully.com/?p=355 Its scientifically proven.

[.invisible ink.]

Fixed haha

no seriously, go read that article, the guy makes sense.

Is this you?
For some reason, you think “nice” means “completely devoid of sexual energy.” When you’re attracted to someone, you treat her like you’re her brother. Her brother the priest. Her brother the elderly Victorian priest who is actually a large stuffed animal. Then when some guy comes along and does a little thoughtful flirting and actually gets her attention, you think “Man, that guy’s a jerkface.”
When you say you’re trying to figure out “what women want,” you actually mean you’re trying to figure out what this one specific woman you’re friends with and have had a crush on for three years wants. (That one’s easy, by the way. The answer is “not you.” Now move on.)
You don’t know many women. Having been passed on by the six or seven ladyfolks you see on a regular basis, you are now ready to assume that all women are deeply broken individuals who don’t know what’s good for them. Somehow you think that treating all women as freely interchangable mentally damaged goods is compatible with being “nice.”
You’re one of those guys who wishes he lived in the Arthurian era — which is to say an era that never actually existed — and who actually uses the word prithee. You practice some sort of demented Hollywood version of chivalry. When women are creeped out by this, you assume they don’t like nice guys, rather than assuming more accurately that they have no desire to get involved with your little love-LARP.
You’re not actually nice. Ask yourself this question: All these nice, thoughtful things you do for women you have crushes on, do you do them for your friends whose panties you don’t want to chew off? Do you remember everyone’s favorite pizza topping? Listen to them bitch about work? Tell them when you see something neat on ThinkGeek that you think they’d like? Getting extra attention from someone who’s generally nice is flattering. Sitting under the laserlike niceness focus of someone who’s usually oblivious is actually pretty unnerving.
Finally, the most common affliction: searing, blinding desperation. There’s a big, inviting grassy area between being a schmuck and being an Alpha Jerk, and it’s called “self-confidence.” It’s nice for picnics! Seriously, if there’s any one thing that’s universally attractive to men, women and intersexed individuals of any and all types, it’s confidence. People like people who like being the people they are. The sort of guys who worry about being “too nice” don’t want to be who they are. They want to be Someone’s Boyfriend, as if that will solve all their personal problems. That’s as off-putting as real, true niceness is attractive.

[showmethefever]

This is pretty much what my friends tell me i am all the time :\
Look at your fucking avatar.

[zion the lion]

Theres no such thing as a nice guy, only a weird pervert who's a little too narcissistic.

[Akissforher]

Look at your fucking avatar.

That feels entirely unnecessary

[Hagysaurus Rex]

stab people, bitches love that

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bh1wk-lMiec/ScAhA04UZmI/AAAAAAAAABk/lpy8fDLlU30/s320/bitches-love-smiley-faces.jpg

[Hamlet]

The main problem with nice guys is that they never display their sexuality.

Being submissive, supplicating to her and needlessly giving her value all make you appear desperate, and desperation is an epic turn off.

See my old post here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=48235762#post48235 762) about showing your sexuality and staying the fuck out of the friend zone.

Flirt. Tease. Touch. Be a challenge. Show her that you're interested in her sexually. This is what 'bad boys' do without knowing.

You don't have to be an asshole. You just have to not be a doormat.

[showmethefever]

That feels entirely unnecessary
Yeah, you're a pussy. I'd work on fixing that if I were you. You even changed your avatar. Those girls were telling you the truth, no matter how much it sucks to hear.

[God damner]

I know nice guys finish last, but I'm nice and I do really well. I am hot as fuck mind you...

[Hagysaurus Rex]

no seriously, go read that article, the guy makes sense.

That was hilarious, although it doesn't really describe most of my single friends who I think suffer from the "nice guy syndrome" very well.
:shrug:

Oddly enough the parts you didn't quote were just as funny.

"Seriously, even guys that in college struck me as the sort that would have trouble sweet-talking a hand towel and a bottle of lotion into bed are married with offspring that are, presumably, theirs."

[Charles777]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bh1wk-lMiec/ScAhA04UZmI/AAAAAAAAABk/lpy8fDLlU30/s320/bitches-love-smiley-faces.jpg
They really, really do.

[.invisible ink.]

I know nice guys finish last, but I'm nice and I do really well. I am hot as fuck mind you...

let us be the judge of that...

The main problem with nice guys is that they never display their sexuality.

Being submissive, supplicating to her and needlessly giving her value all make you appear desperate, and desperation is an epic turn off.

See my old post here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=48235762#post48235 762) about showing your sexuality and staying the fuck out of the friend zone.

Flirt. Tease. Touch. Be a challenge. Show her that you're interested in her sexually. This is what 'bad boys' do without knowing.

You don't have to be an asshole. You just have to not be a doormat.

THIS. wanna fuck?

[chrislauren]

The main problem with nice guys is that they never display their sexuality.

Being submissive, supplicating to her and needlessly giving her value all make you appear desperate, and desperation is an epic turn off.

See my old post here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=48235762#post48235 762) about showing your sexuality and staying the fuck out of the friend zone.

Flirt. Tease. Touch. Be a challenge. Show her that you're interested in her sexually. This is what 'bad boys' do without knowing.

You don't have to be an asshole. You just have to not be a doormat.
thank you so much. Is this how guys are in NZ? if so, i would like to move there.

[saveferris]

Nice guys are way better then douchey "bad boys"

[Ryan Rumsey]

I've been dating the same girl for almost 3 years. I love her and treat her right. The relationship started with me being pretty rude to her.

[spiffa0]

A lot of girls want a "bad boy" until they're mid to late twenties and realize these bad boys make less than 30K a year, still chest bump their friends, wear shirts three sizes too small, and think The Hangover will be the funniest movie ever made. Then they go for the nice guys...which are all taken. So they lose out. Stupid bitches.

[Sean Rizzo]

I've been dating the same girl for almost 3 years. I love her and treat her right. The relationship started with me being pretty rude to her.
Sounds like you're a nice guy with a mean front.

[Ryan Rumsey]

Sounds like you're a nice guy with a mean front.

Actually that describes me perfectly. Im using that from now on. Thanks.

[chrislauren]

Nice guys are way better then douchey "bad boys"
Not all "bad boys" are d-bags.

[saveferris]

Not all "bad boys" are d-bags.
and not all nice guys are pussies. I'm sick of hearing that nice guys finish last bullshit. I'm a really nice guy and I have great friends, a great job, great family and do just fine with girls. Not sure what i'm finishing last in.
Rant over

[.invisible ink.]

A lot of girls want a "bad boy" until they're mid to late twenties and realize these bad boys make less than 30K a year, still chest bump their friends, wear shirts three sizes too small, and think The Hangover will be the funniest movie ever made. Then they go for the nice guys...which are all taken. So they lose out. Stupid bitches.

that's not and has never been my definition of a "bad boy". "Bad boys" can be of any educational/economic distinction they just have a certain confidence and arrogance that women are attracted to and, despite what you think, most women never grow out of wanting a guy with those characteristics, in addition to being nice, just not too nice aka a pushover.

[chrislauren]

and not all nice guys are pussies. I'm sick of hearing that nice guys finish last bullshit. I'm a really nice guy and I have great friends, a great job, great family and do just fine with girls. Not sure what i'm finishing last in.
Rant over
You're totally right. That's the problem with the "nice guy" "bad boy" image thing. I wasn't trying to imply that nice guys are pussies and sorry if that's what you got from my post.

[Sean Rizzo]

Actually that describes me perfectly. Im using that from now on. Thanks.
You're welcome. =D

I think a lot of the obsession about "bad boys" is largely due to the sensationalistic portrayal of it in the media and society at large. It's as if somehow men with sensitivity, morals, values, and integrity can't be powerful, important, dignified, or even masculine anymore. At the same time, men who are independent, strong-willed action-takers are portrayed as arrogant, overly concerned with sexuality, and lacking any form of sympathy or empathy to boot.

In reality, however, all of these things aren't mutually inclusive.

Says a lot about society these days.

[spiffa0]

that's not and has never been my definition of a "bad boy". "Bad boys" can be of any educational/economic distinction they just have a certain confidence and arrogance that women are attracted to and, despite what you think, most women never grow out of wanting a guy with those characteristics, in addition to being nice, just not too nice aka a pushover.


Oh no I understand. I was just being stupid. I've run into the nice guy trap a few times myself and I get bitter about it.

[Sean Rizzo]

You're totally right. That's the problem with the "nice guy" "bad boy" image thing. I wasn't trying to imply that nice guys are pussies and sorry if that's what you got from my post.
Does my above post work for you? lol.

[Charles777]

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[Sean Rizzo]

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Thanks for the obligatory lulz from the cops video.

[chrislauren]

Does my above post work for you? lol.
That's exactly what i wanted to say, but i didn't know how to put it.

[Sean Rizzo]

That's exactly what i wanted to say, but i didn't know how to put it.
It takes a writer sometimes. lol.

Oh and...




Do your thing. *points up* (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=68334392#post68334 392) :wave:

[Hagysaurus Rex]

I've been told by my last g/f that I was "a good guy wrapped up in a bad guy's body." I'm pretty damned sure that's a compliment. If not, I'll take it as such.

Anyway, I don't have a problem with self-confidence or being assertive, which are usually two big pitfalls that I see in my friends who suffer from the Nice Guy Who Always Gets Tossed In The Friend Zone Syndrome.

[bung]

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"Don't pat yourself on the back, you might break your spine." Hahaha, Green Day has some quality lines.

[Hagysaurus Rex]

The main problem with nice guys is that they never display their sexuality.

Being submissive, supplicating to her and needlessly giving her value all make you appear desperate, and desperation is an epic turn off.

See my old post here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=48235762#post48235 762) about showing your sexuality and staying the fuck out of the friend zone.

Flirt. Tease. Touch. Be a challenge. Show her that you're interested in her sexually. This is what 'bad boys' do without knowing.

You don't have to be an asshole. You just have to not be a doormat.

Amazing. That's getting jacked and forwarded to a couple of friends I have that could really use this if you don't care. Great words of wisdom here. :miagi:

[Jennurna Gray]

I like a mixture. I like the bad boy attitude, but want him to be the nice, sensitive guy with me.

[Sean Rizzo]

I like a mixture. I like the bad boy attitude, but want him to be the nice, sensitive guy with me.
What does this consist of, in your eyes? List some qualities, por favor.

[crimsonandclovr]

i have never been with a 'bad boy' and i don't think i ever will be interested in one.
i know it seems like all girls say this, but really, i'd rather be with a nice guy.

[11:11]

Girls will say they look for the nice guy. This is false. They like the bad boys who treat them differently. Just them. Or they go after the bad boys because they think they can change them.

[Sean Rizzo]

Girls will say they look for the nice guy. This is false. They like the bad boys who treat them differently. Just them. Or they go after the bad boys because they think they can change them.
This lasts until the bad boy is in and out of their pants, a lot of the time. Doesn't mean that's what has to happen though.

[11:11]

This lasts until the bad boy is in and out of their pants, a lot of the time. Doesn't mean that's what has to happen though.
Pretty much. Doesn't make it less true though.

[Sean Rizzo]

Pretty much. Doesn't make it less true though.
The girl who is last to see past words is also the first one to be heartbroken.

[ilikesound93]

The phrase "bad boy" is used when a girl is under the illusion that a typical macho tool douchebag is special because he isn't kissing their ass like a total shmuck, and instead treating her like shit. Therefore it's exciting to vie for their attention, because they will feel like they "won" if they succeed in doing so. But they never do, since the guy is just your typical douchebag. Girls are silly.

Sorry. This is like a vent about every friend I've had ever.

[Sean Rizzo]

The phrase "bad boy" is used when a girl is under the illusion that a typical macho tool ****** is just a guy who's "misunderstood." They think this because the guy isn't kissing their ****** like a total shmuck, and instead treating her like ******. Therefore it's exciting to vie for their attention, because they will feel like they "won" if they succeed in doing so. But they never do, since the guy is just your typical ******. Girls are silly.

Sorry. This is like a vent about every friend I've had ever.
I disagree, slightly. (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=68334392#post68334 392)

[saveferris]

You're totally right. That's the problem with the "nice guy" "bad boy" image thing. I wasn't trying to imply that nice guys are pussies and sorry if that's what you got from my post.
I didn't get that from your post. I just had to vent to somebody and that somebody was you haha. Sorry.

[Sean Rizzo]

I didn't get that from your post. I just had to vent to somebody and that somebody was you haha. Sorry.
Vent into my room right now, I need some more hot air. It's cold in here. X_x

[ilikesound93]

I disagree, slightly. (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=68334392#post68334 392)

I promise you it's not the media.

[bung]

LO fucking L at the Mormon censoring douche bag and shit.

[God damner]

let us be the judge of that...



THIS. wanna fuck?

Why? I'm the sex, I don't need you for shit.lol.

[Sean Rizzo]

LO ****** L at the Mormon censoring ****** bag and ******.
Excuse me for not enjoying distasteful language. I'm surprised this is the first you've noticed. :wave:

[showmethefever]

LO fucking L at the Mormon censoring douche bag and shit.
No swears!

[.invisible ink.]

Why? I'm the sex, I don't need you for shit.lol.

wow, defensive much? you're the one who made the claim about you being hot, i just figured we ought to be the judge. :shrug:

[bung]

No swears!

That's a bunch of poop.

[ilikesound93]

Excuse me for not enjoying distasteful language. I'm surprised this is the first you've noticed. :wave:

If you are really that offended by the connotation behind a word being feces or, well, douches--then I really question how long you've been living in our society. Or planet earth for that matter. It's a word, nothing more.

[Sean Rizzo]

If you are really that offended by the connotation behind a word being feces or, well, douches--then I really question how long you've been living in our society. Or planet earth for that matter. It's a word, nothing more.
If I can move something I don't enjoy away from me by some means, I'm going to do it. This is no different than you changing the radio station when something you don't like is playing.

[bung]

If I can move something I don't enjoy away from me by some means, I'm going to do it. This is no different than you changing the radio station when something you don't like is playing.

This would be a great analogy if you could edit my posts. Sadly, you can't.

So fuckity fuckity fuck fuck douche bag shit god damn hell cunt bitches

[ilikesound93]

If I can move something I don't enjoy away from me by some means, I'm going to do it. This is no different than you changing the radio station when something you don't like is playing.

Are we really arguing about this? ugh.

Of course that is different. Come on now. If you change the radio station because it's a song you don't like, it's because you, YOURSELF, concluded you don't like it. The only way people have disdain for cursing is because it was ingrained into their brains when they were children that these were "bad". No meaning to back this, just, they're "bad." It's a stupid folkway that really needs to die off.

also:fuck.

[alliegator16]

There's really nothing wrong with not liking swearing...

Honestly swearing just because you know someone will be offended by it seems a little childish to me.

[bung]

Are we really arguing about this? ugh.

Of course that is different. Come on now. If you change the radio station because it's a song you don't like, it's because you, YOURSELF, concluded you don't like it. The only way people have disdain for cursing is because it was ingrained into their brains when they were children that these were "bad". No meaning to back this, just, they're "bad." It's a stupid folkway that really needs to die off.

also:fuck.

Garbolitude now means to fuck one's sister while cursing any and all gods.

Prince_of_Light must now censor the word.

[ilikesound93]

There's really nothing wrong with not liking swearing...

Honestly swearing just because you know someone will be offended by it seems a little childish to me.

I didn't do that until we got into this childish argument, so..?

[Sean Rizzo]

This would be a great analogy if you could edit my posts. Sadly, you can't.

So ****** ****** ****** ****** ****** bag ****** god damn hell ****** ******

Actually, I can. Do some research, haha. I can't be pained to censor everyone's posts by hand. :-p

Are we really arguing about this? ugh.

Of course that is different. Come on now. If you change the radio station because it's a song you don't like, it's because you, YOURSELF, concluded you don't like it. The only way people have disdain for cursing is because it was ingrained into their brains when they were children that these were "bad". No meaning to back this, just, they're "bad." It's a stupid folkway that really needs to die off.

also:******.
And I, myself, concluded that I don't like swearing. Am I not free to make my own choices about what i'd like to read and not read, or is this not reality? *obligatory melodramatic existential meltdown*

Now let's stay on topic. I'm quite interested with the topic at hand.

[ilikesound93]

Actually, I can. Do some research, haha. I can't be pained to censor everyone's posts by hand. :-p


And I, myself, concluded that I don't like swearing. Am I not free to make my own choices about what i'd like to read and not read, or is this not reality? *obligatory melodramatic existential meltdown*

Now let's stay on topic. I'm quite interested with the topic at hand.

I just don't see how you could decide you don't like a few certain sets of words unless you were taught that they were bad. Otherwise, the f word would be no different than "chair." That's what I'm trying to get across.
ba doop bop bop

[alliegator16]

I didn't do that until we got into this childish argument, so..?

Was that really a childish argument? Someone stated their opinion and someone else disagreed. It wasn't childish, from what I can tell. (Excluding the fuck fuckity fuck part haha)

[Sean Rizzo]

I just don't see how you could decide you don't like a few certain sets of words unless you were taught that they were bad. Otherwise, the f word would be no different than "chair." That's what I'm trying to get across.
ba doop bop bop
That's the idea. Profanity is subjective to each language and/or culture. If I were spanish or something, I'd probably have a whole different set of words to not use.

Can we please get back on topic now please? Say yes? =D

[ilikesound93]

Was that really a childish argument? Someone stated their opinion and someone else disagreed. It wasn't childish, from what I can tell. (Excluding the fuck fuckity fuck part haha)

Then why am I childish? Unless you mean bung.

[chrislauren]

I didn't get that from your post. I just had to vent to somebody and that somebody was you haha. Sorry.
It's aight. I understand!

[bung]

Actually, I can. Do some research, haha. I can't be pained to censor everyone's posts by hand. :-p

Maybe you could if you would stop garbolituding. Now, I want to see you edit a single post of mine.

[11:11]

Actually, I can. Do some research, haha. I can't be pained to censor everyone's posts by hand. :-p


And I, myself, concluded that I don't like swearing. Am I not free to make my own choices about what i'd like to read and not read, or is this not reality? *obligatory melodramatic existential meltdown*

Now let's stay on topic. I'm quite interested with the topic at hand.
Well you have to read it to censor it...

[Sean Rizzo]

Maybe you could if you would stop garbolituding. Now, I want to see you edit a single post of mine.
I can't edit what you typed, but there are browser add-ons for this sort of thing so that I won't have to read it. Unfortunately if I quote a post it doesn't revert the text back to the way it was. This wouldn't make a difference to me since when I'm done replying I wouldn't see it in the quote anyway.

[Sean Rizzo]

Well you have to read it to censor it...
Not really. See above. ^

Can SOMEONE please go back to the OP's topic? I'm starting to think it's impossible.

[11:11]

Not really. See above. ^

Can SOMEONE please go back to the OP's topic? I'm starting to think it's impossible.
Ah, I see. Well good for you for finding a way.

Fucker <---But now YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT THIS WORD IS. HOW WILL YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?!?!

[alliegator16]

Then why am I childish? Unless you mean bung.

Well I didn't exactly call you childish. You simply stated your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that, although I do disagree. The only childish thing was sticking fuck at the end haha.

And yeah the fuck fuckity fuck thing was bung. Childish, but funny. So I don't really care.

Sorry if I came across as uptight, I'm actually pretty laid back usually ;)

[InsertAlias]

Well you have to read it to censor it...

Guys, this is just about the stupidest argument that I've come across in a while. What impact on you does his altering of your text have? What's the point of completely derailing the topic in the name of pointing out some trivial detail that's totally irrelevant to everything?

He has a right to censor it if he wants to. Grow up.

[Sean Rizzo]

Ah, I see. Well good for you for finding a way.
Thank you sir. :wave:

I never understood how people can go out and hurt others for enjoyment, in reference to the 'player' 'bad boys'.

[allthewaysaid]

Fuck! You people dont get it haha its all about being a badass and a sensitive guy at the same time, you gotta be a badass out in public in front of her friends and yours but when you guys are alone you gotta show her you're not only a badass but you're also a sensitive guy by doing something romantic...Thats how you get laid.

[11:11]

Guys, this is just about the stupidest argument that I've come across in a while. What impact on you does his altering of your text have? What's the point of completely derailing the topic in the name of point out some trivial detail that's totally irrelevant to everything?

He has a write to censor it if he wants to. Grow up.
1. It's "a right", not "a write".
2. I didn't say there was anything wrong with it...he just said that he didn't read it, and I didn't understand how he could replace the words with *'s without reading it.
3. You're sending the topic further off the rail, so you're just a hypocrite.

[bung]

Then why am I childish? Unless you mean bung.

And yeah the fuck fuckity fuck thing was bung. Childish, but funny. So I don't really care.

Don't talk about me like I'm not in the room. M-(

[11:11]

Thank you sir. :wave:

I never understood how people can go out and hurt others for enjoyment, in reference to the 'player' 'bad boys'.
Usually they have issues at home or with their family.

[Sean Rizzo]

******! You people dont get it haha its all about being a ****** and a sensitive guy at the same time, you gotta be a ****** out in public in front of her friends and yours but when you guys are alone you gotta show her you're not only a ****** but you're also a sensitive guy by doing something romantic...Thats how you get laid.
Not always the end result, or the desired result, for that matter. Tell me, what's the purpose of going through all that trouble to "score" a few hundred times in your life when you can put forth more than an hour of effort just once and have sex however many times you want, without the work, for the rest of your life?

And this is taking love out of the equation, although by your logic it makes a nice bonus.

[alliegator16]

Don't talk about me like I'm not in the room. M-(

My deepest apologies!

Bung, you were being childish! It made me giggle though, so I don't think you are a horrible man-child.

[bung]

My deepest apologies!

Bung, you were being childish! It made me giggle though, so I don't think you are a horrible man-child.

"If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything."

-Marilyn Monroe

[Sean Rizzo]

Ah, I see. Well good for you for finding a way.

****** <---But now YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT THIS WORD IS. HOW WILL YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?!?!
I missed your edit and LOL.

The world may never know. ;-)

[Hagysaurus Rex]

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/members/vertigo+paris/albums/misc+pics-36/thread-derail-1953.jpg

Fuck me sideways, I leave for 20 minutes and this thread gets derailed by a metric fuckton.

[God damner]

[QUOTE=.invisible ink.;68338242]wow, defensive much? you're the one who made the claim about you being hot, i just figured we ought to be the judge. :shrug:[/

haha, it was a joke. No ones really that arrogant. I responded to you thinking I was serious the first time around. Assuming I'm a prick much?

[alliegator16]

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/members/vertigo+paris/albums/misc+pics-36/thread-derail-1953.jpg

Fuck me sideways, I leave for 20 minutes and this thread gets derailed by a metric fuckton.

Yeah...

So anyway! Fonzie was a bad boy. And what girl wouldn't want a piece of that?

[Sean Rizzo]

Yeah...

So anyway! Fonzie was a bad boy. And what girl wouldn't want a piece of that?
you - time machine + fonzie = http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1263296/article_images/henryprocess.jpg

what girl wouldn't? :-d

[alliegator16]

you - time machine + fonzie = http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1263296/article_images/henryprocess.jpg

what girl wouldn't? :-d

Augh! Why would you do that to me??

:'(

[Sean Rizzo]

Augh! Why would you do that to me??

:'(
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! >=D

[Sean Rizzo]

Augh! Why would you do that to me??

:'(
also, do girls ever realize what they're getting into with bad boys beforehand? Because I never see that.

[phillipjacob]

i don't consider myself either. i'm respectful and have morals, but i'm not a pushover when it comes to relationships.

i think a lot of people try so hard to be one or the other
but in reality once you be yourself, you have self confidence

and that's really all it comes down to

[Sean Rizzo]

i don't consider myself either. i'm respectful and have morals, but i'm not a pushover when it comes to relationships.

i think a lot of people try so hard to be one or the other
but in reality once you be yourself, you have self confidence

and that's really all it comes down to
Who tries to be a pushover? lol.

[de1337ed]

Who tries to be a pushover? lol.

haha. then again when you try to tell someone they're being a pushover, they stilll continue to be a pushover.

[barkingincision]

What are girls preferences? What the hell IS a "bad boy".

I've always been told i'm to 'nice' when it comes to chasin' babes, so i tried going down the "bad boy" route a few times and i then get told i'm too much of an asshole!? i thought that's what bad boys are - guys that toe the douchebag line?....
Does it even matter to girls whether a guy is too nice? and how is a bad boy not an asshole?
Please discuss...... :-)

make this a poll youngblud

[drevans18]

stab people, bitches love that

yep its true. believe this guy, he knows his shit. it works

[drevans18]

you - time machine + fonzie = http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1263296/article_images/henryprocess.jpg

what girl wouldn't? :-d

dude, ahh what the fuck.

[ABoyUnderOath90]

Girls like bad boys so that they can turn them into good guys. Girls just want to have that power. I've been considered both depending on the type of girls I've talked to. Just be your fucking self and things will work out. I prefer to treat women right though. It's worked for me seeing how I've been in a good relationship for two years.

[billyboatkid]

Good rule of thumb is that most women prefer the bad boy but will say they prefer the nice guy.

Truth.

Then they will complain about ending up with the douches when they pass up the nice guys. haha the vicious cycle.

[samsara]

I like nice guys.

[Sherrice]

I don't have a preference.

[Tom_is_awesome]

The main problem with nice guys is that they never display their sexuality.

Being submissive, supplicating to her and needlessly giving her value all make you appear desperate, and desperation is an epic turn off.

See my old post here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=48235762#post48235 762) about showing your sexuality and staying the fuck out of the friend zone.

Flirt. Tease. Touch. Be a challenge. Show her that you're interested in her sexually. This is what 'bad boys' do without knowing.

You don't have to be an asshole. You just have to not be a doormat.


This.

[.invisible ink.]

wow, defensive much? you're the one who made the claim about you being hot, i just figured we ought to be the judge. :shrug:

haha, it was a joke. No ones really that arrogant. I responded to you thinking I was serious the first time around. Assuming I'm a prick much?


yes, a prick who doesn't know how to quote properly apparently. ;-)

[PandaBear!]

i am by no means a pushover when it comes to women, sorry - female pandas, but apparently i am too much of an asshole? I got described as being like the janitor from Scrubs - basically an asexual c*nt by my estimation.
How the hell do i fix that !!!

p.s - this is pretty good for my first ever thread, thanks peeps ! :-)

[Jennurna Gray]

What does this consist of, in your eyes? List some qualities, por favor.
-Self confidence, for one. Something stereotypical 'nice guys' definitely lack.
-Independence. I don't want someone who has to lean on me all the time, and in the same way, I can stand up alone, too. I don't need a crutch, just someone to hold my hand. I need them to feel that way, too.
-Someone who's not afraid to get in trouble. I was once with a guy who was afraid to sneak into the theater. At the time, he only had enough money to support himself since he just gotten out on his own and didn't have a steady job. He insisted to not let me pay, so I suggested we sneak in. The entire time, he was freaking out. He proceeded to freak out even through the movie when we were already in the theather. I need someone a little more bad ass than that.

But on the other hand, I don't want a bad ass who's going to treat me either like one of the guys or so differently that I feel like Donna Reed. There's always got to be a line. And it's a fine line. 'Because you're mine, I walk the line'.

[mymusicismylife]

Girls like the dicks.

...

Bad Boys, I mean.

Seriously though, they always go for the bad boys 'til they get burned a lot. Always.

[xRadioJoyx]

i hate guys who always seem like they are trying to please you and make you happy. it's very annoying and exposes so many bad traits.

[Deadbolt23]

It's such an excuse.

[katiebobatie]

The main problem with nice guys is that they never display their sexuality.

Being submissive, supplicating to her and needlessly giving her value all make you appear desperate, and desperation is an epic turn off.

See my old post here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=48235762#post48235 762) about showing your sexuality and staying the fuck out of the friend zone.

Flirt. Tease. Touch. Be a challenge. Show her that you're interested in her sexually. This is what 'bad boys' do without knowing.

You don't have to be an asshole. You just have to not be a doormat.

yes yes yes

[de1337ed]

We (guys and girls) want what we can't have. Hence why I like Hamlet's "you just have to not be a doormat" statement.

[alix.xo]

The main problem with nice guys is that they never display their sexuality.

Being submissive, supplicating to her and needlessly giving her value all make you appear desperate, and desperation is an epic turn off.

See my old post here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=48235762#post48235 762) about showing your sexuality and staying the fuck out of the friend zone.

Flirt. Tease. Touch. Be a challenge. Show her that you're interested in her sexually. This is what 'bad boys' do without knowing.

You don't have to be an asshole. You just have to not be a doormat.

exactly.

[drawndead]

My game plan is be just enough of a cocky asshole to get them interested and then show them your soft side

[alltimehoe93]

"Bad boys" bring a cheap, quick thrill that gets old pretty quickly.
Nice guys are a lot better in the long run.

[pacridgematt]

It's such an excuse.
exactly

[PandaBear!]

My game plan is be just enough of a cocky asshole to get them interested and then show them your soft side

this is always what i aim for, yet it pretty much never works - only ever worked on dumb girls in my experience :-D

[HelpMeSleep]

bad boys are the ones we'd fuck.

[DefaultThis]

All girls date bad boys but at the end of the day all you want is a nice guy. It's kind of like how girls fall for those nerdy guys on TV like Matthew Perry and Zach Braff. It's a shame that when nice guys ask us out in real life we say no. Sadly, they are a lot more appealing when they're famous and rolling in cash.

[ifuckedyourdogs]

i've been with both, truth is bad boys are just better in bed. maybe its a mental thing but thats how it seems.

[jmirand1]

Of course girls like assholes (or "bad boys.") It's scientifically proven and makes perfect evolutionary sense - men have typically been the providers in family/group units, so why wouldn't a woman want an aggressive man? The thing is, women don't like it when men are mean/abusive/unfaithful, but these are common by-products of the alpha-male personality. So, when women say they want a "nice guy," they mean they want a guy who is aggressive/dominant/confident, but also caring/compassionate/considerate - you see the irony? Those two groups of traits don't usually go together.

I think the best thing for us nice guys (losers) to do is focus on developing confidence and assertive social skills. Much easier said than done, I know.

[jmirand1]

Now that I'm graduating and getting to the age where a lot of my friends who were dateless losers throughout high school and college are getting high-paying prestigious jobs, I've noticed that they're starting to develop typical asshole-like characteristics (throwing keys at valets, shoving people out of the way in bars, etc.) It's like they've been suffering for all these years, now it's time for revenge.

[jmirand1]

Girls will say they look for the nice guy. This is false. They like the bad boys who treat them differently. Just them. Or they go after the bad boys because they think they can change them.

Haha yeah I heard someone say once that a girl's definition of a "nice guy" is "someone who is an asshole to everyone but me."

[LoginBanned]

Women,

you are dumb and deserve whatever you get from whatever guy you end up with.

[PandaBear!]

i'm wondering less about the 'strong, dominant' men ('cause thats a no-brainer, and something i believe i am), more about the typical Ed Hardy-wearing, tattooed, violent juicers that the US has, and the petty criminal chavs that the UK has?
girls seem to fawn over these average-looking morons who literally offer nothing - no intelligence, poor humour, constant aggression, even petty crime - and they're better than a guy who pretty much worships you?
The only reason i can think of for going anywhere near a guy like that is that the girl is way too 'good'/boring and wants to look exciting or cool. Then (from what i have personally witnessed here in the UK) they end up pregnant and without any support from the dude; their lives ruined. haha.

[terror_91]

Haha yeah I heard someone say once that a girl's definition of a "nice guy" is "someone who is an asshole to everyone but me."
That's deep.

[Jake Denning]

kRIU_iO-wek&feature=related

[aradiantsunrise]

Interesting thread for sure.

[nickbaird3491]

I'd say i'm probably a mixture of both. Depends on how much I actually like the girl. I have plenty of self-confidence, and I just act myself, and if they don't like it, then goodbye, i'm not going to be someone else to tender to what she wants.
Like Hamlet said in the previous post, I'll flirt like a motherfucker and show i'm interested, but I'll also be sweet and kind as well.

[Corgkowznor]

stab people, bitches love that

hahahahaha

/thread

[Deadbolt23]

Women,

you are dumb and deserve whatever you get from whatever guy you end up with.

You sound bitter.

[.invisible ink.]

My game plan is be just enough of a cocky asshole to get them interested and then show them your soft side

i predict that you will be very successful in dating based on this statement. seriously.

[SmittyMA]

The thing is, girls LOVE it when you belittle them and make them feel unwanted. College showed me that in a grand, grand scale. I can't believe the poll is as close as it is.

[SmittyMA]

Now that I'm graduating and getting to the age where a lot of my friends who were dateless losers throughout high school and college are getting high-paying prestigious jobs, I've noticed that they're starting to develop typical asshole-like characteristics (throwing keys at valets, shoving people out of the way in bars, etc.) It's like they've been suffering for all these years, now it's time for revenge.

I had a feeling that was how it worked. The human spirit can only be crushed for so long.

[aerofan11]

This is why girls are confusing ha ha. They want a nice guy, who also has traits of a bad boy. Usually, the only boys like that are either nice guys pretending to be a bit of dick to show how confidence he is, of pricks who are pretending to be nice to show he's sweet.

To be honest, I'm probably a good guy. I don't think it's because I am a nice guy is why I'm currently single, it's probably because I have no confidence. I would like to go up to a girl and show I'm interested, but I don't know how to do that. I also can't find any girls I want. :-(

[aerofan11]

The thing is, girls LOVE it when you belittle them and make them feel unwanted. College showed me that in a grand, grand scale. I can't believe the poll is as close as it is.
Yeah, college is full of pricks that have good looking girlfriends. Some of them are even ugly, yet have some of the most beautiful girlfriends.
With that poll, I think people just selected the one they wished was true. I chose bad guys, because I really think that's true for most girls, at least girls my age.

[Sean Rizzo]

dude, ahh what the ******.
:lol:

[Sean Rizzo]

This is why girls are confusing ha ha. They want a nice guy, who also has traits of a bad boy. Usually, the only boys like that are either nice guys pretending to be a bit of dick to show how confidence he is, of pricks who are pretending to be nice to show he's sweet.

To be honest, I'm probably a good guy. I don't think it's because I am a nice guy is why I'm currently single, it's probably because I have no confidence. I would like to go up to a girl and show I'm interested, but I don't know how to do that. I also can't find any girls I want. :-(
1. Unnecessary; who said you can't be confident without being a jerk? If anything, being a jerk makes you look insecure.

2. Just plain stupid. Why not actually be nice? Is it really that hard?

[reesa]

a bad boy is a guy who has a big dick and no heart :D

[rosielikesyou]

if you describe yourself as a "nice guy" you're probably truly just a douchebag in disguise: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/05/alt-text-nice-guys-guide/

That's actually a pretty fantastic article. It's tiring to hear the "I'm too nice, girls are all heartless wenches" schbiel all the time when it's all the contextual clues that drive us away.

[drevans18]

1. Unnecessary; who said you can't be confident without being a jerk? If anything, being a jerk makes you look insecure.

2. Just plain stupid. Why not actually be nice? Is it really that hard?

i completely agree with both statements, especially the bolded one. for some reason, a lot of dudes don't understand that there are plenty of ways to be confident without being a jackass. yes, a lot of guys that are that confident are complete ass holes. you can be nice, caring and confident all in one. not that hard if you try... either way, being a jerk does make you look more insecure.

[God damner]

yes, a prick who doesn't know how to quote properly apparently. ;-)

Yeah, point out my trivial mistakes and ignore my point. Congratulations, you are officially another idiot I have wasted my life arguing with on the internet.

[Sean Rizzo]

i completely agree with both statements, especially the bolded one. for some reason, a lot of dudes don't understand that there are plenty of ways to be confident without being a jackass. yes, a lot of guys that are that confident are complete ****** holes. you can be nice, caring and confident all in one. not that hard if you try... either way, being a jerk does make you look more insecure.
Remember Drew, we're the mature ones here. haha. :wave:

[drevans18]

Remember Drew, we're the mature ones here. haha. :wave:

yeah, i guess so. that makes us unique, which is always a plus.

[Sean Rizzo]

yeah, i guess so. that makes us unique, which is always a plus.
lol apparently you forgot about the other thread where we determined that. Come to think of it I can't remember which one it was either.

I'm a nice guy and I've never had a problem finding women since I've acted nice. That doesn't mean I go into nervous breakdowns of confidence whenever I'm around women. Another thing is that I think people try too hard to be something they're not (typically the ones who put up the jerkish macho front) when they really just need to be themselves, and considerate. As long as you're nice and honest, you're bound to find someone who'll be interested.

[PandaBear!]

you people need to help meeeeee

i've been told i'm like the Janitor from Scrubs - basically a heartless, ASEXUAL jerk. I of course do NOT want this.
What the hell do i do to convince babes that i'm all about the bonin', which is pretty much all i'm interested in women for (no offense, just not a 'relationship' guy atm)
What the hell do you think i'm doing to give off an asexual vibe?! lol

[SmittyMA]

Yeah, college is full of pricks that have good looking girlfriends. Some of them are even ugly, yet have some of the most beautiful girlfriends.

At least its not just my campus. Haha

[drevans18]

you people need to help meeeeee

i've been told i'm like the Janitor from Scrubs - basically a heartless, ASEXUAL jerk. I of course do NOT want this.
What the hell do i do to convince babes that i'm all about the bonin', which is pretty much all i'm interested in women for (no offense, just not a 'relationship' guy atm)
What the hell do you think i'm doing to give off an asexual vibe?! lol

you're a champ!

[drevans18]

Yeah, college is full of pricks that have good looking girlfriends. Some of them are even ugly, yet have some of the most beautiful girlfriends.


this is the sad, unfair truth.

[drevans18]

lol apparently you forgot about the other thread where we determined that. Come to think of it I can't remember which one it was either.

I'm a nice guy and I've never had a problem finding women since I've been one. That doesn't mean I go into nervous breakdowns of confidence whenever I'm around women. Another thing is that I think people try too hard to be something they're not (typically the ones who put up the jerkish macho front) when they really just need to be themselves, and considerate. As long as you're nice and honest, you're bound to find someone who'll be interested.

i dont think that was worded the way you wanted... and yeah haha this makes me nervous. we're almost too much the same... (except the whole being a woman thing)

[Sean Rizzo]

i dont think that was worded the way you wanted... and yeah haha this makes me nervous. we're almost too much the same... (except the whole being a woman thing)
Shut up, I'm sick. haha. Aren't I allowed one mistype? XP Also, EDITED.

You gotta remember though, if we're the only ones like this then the rest of the male population around here is one gigantic homogenous blob of perversion.

[drevans18]

Shut up, I'm sick. haha. Aren't I allowed one mistype? XP Also, EDITED.

You gotta remember though, if we're the only ones like this then the rest of the male population around here is one gigantic homogenous blob of perversion.

true. which means when we're older, the women will just be mad-doggin us to get married. haha. thats my downfall at college. girls dont want a boyfriend... they wanna party. i party, but i'm usually a girlfriend type. so i fall oddly in the middle.

[Deadbolt23]

you people need to help meeeeee

i've been told i'm like the Janitor from Scrubs - basically a heartless, ASEXUAL jerk. I of course do NOT want this.
What the hell do i do to convince babes that i'm all about the bonin', which is pretty much all i'm interested in women for (no offense, just not a 'relationship' guy atm)
What the hell do you think i'm doing to give off an asexual vibe?! lol

Flirt more and talk about girls that you think are hot.

[Sean Rizzo]

true. which means when we're older, the women will just be mad-doggin us to get married. haha. thats my downfall at college. girls dont want a boyfriend... they wanna party. i party, but i'm usually a girlfriend type. so i fall oddly in the middle.
I'm sure there are plenty of ladies who are exactly like you are, haha.

[.invisible ink.]

Yeah, point out my trivial mistakes and ignore my point. Congratulations, you are officially another idiot I have wasted my life arguing with on the internet.

dude, learn how to read sarcasm on the internet. i was joking for fuck's sake. that's what the little "wink" emoticon was for, to assist you in realizing that i was kidding. geez.

[terror_91]

you people need to help meeeeee

i've been told i'm like the Janitor from Scrubs - basically a heartless, ASEXUAL jerk. I of course do NOT want this.
What the hell do i do to convince babes that i'm all about the bonin', which is pretty much all i'm interested in women for (no offense, just not a 'relationship' guy atm)
What the hell do you think i'm doing to give off an asexual vibe?! lol
You need to get the balance between confidence and arrogance right. Just joke with a girl about anything. Anything at all. You have to judge her reaction though. I can call plenty of girls I know skets but then there will be one who won't like it so I might have to apologise and tell her I meant nothing of it.
Make sure you don't start insulting/joking straight away though as this can backfire (I know this from experience haha). Keep it light to begin with and just chat. Once you get to know her a bit more, start teasing her a bit. Make a shit load of in your endos.

[Echo Park]

don't ask girls what they prefer, they simply don't know what they want. Ask a guy that gets girls what girls like.

[PandaBear!]

don't ask girls what they prefer, they simply don't know what they want. Ask a guy that gets girls what girls like.

any of those here? haha

[Deadbolt23]

You called?

[Kammy]

don't ask girls what they prefer, they simply don't know what they want. Ask a guy that gets girls what girls like.

Yes, because women just love it when you think we're too stupid to know what we want. Also, way to lump us as a single entity that likes/dislikes the same things. Maybe you'd have more luck with women if you didn't come up with misogynistic crap like this. Just a thought.

Oh, and when men describe themselves as "nice guys" I think of this: http://xkcd.com/513/ and that's not a good thing.

[Echo Park]

Yes, because women just love it when you think we're too stupid to know what we want. Also, way to lump us as a single entity that likes/dislikes the same things. Maybe you'd have more luck with women if you didn't come up with misogynistic crap like this. Just a thought.

Oh, and when men describe themselves as "nice guys" I think of this: http://xkcd.com/513/ and that's not a good thing.
Woe there tiger, i didn't say I needed help with women. But i did say that women don't know what they want, and I stand by it. Don't get all feminist on me, i'm not trying to insult the female population, i'm just saying what I have gathered from experience.
I went out last night and was a complete jerk to a chick and it worked out. Later that night I was a complete pussy to a chick and it worked out. They don't know what they want, they just want something...heck I don't know what it is.

[Kammy]

Woe there tiger, i didn't say I needed help with women. But i did say that women don't know what they want, and I stand by it. Don't get all feminist on me, i'm not trying to insult the female population, i'm just saying what I have gathered from experience.
I went out last night and was a complete jerk to a chick and it worked out. Later that night I was a complete pussy to a chick and it worked out. They don't know what they want, they just want something...heck I don't know what it is.

...You're actually an idiot. Some women like "bad boys", others like guys that are more sensitive, and there's some that don't care for either. That's not because we "don't know what we want", but because not all women are the same. We have different interests and so like different types of men (or women). Instead of acknowledging this, you're acting as if we're just indecisive, which is offensive on so many levels. So I will "get all feminist" on you if you're going to say sexist things.

[xAnti-Violentx]

'bad boys' are a real turn off for me... i'm all about 'nice guys' if you call them this way. even if they're pussies, i usually consider that really cute. but i'm not really the typical girl i guess, so i'm a bad example haha...

[Sean Rizzo]

'bad boys' are a real turn off for me... i'm all about 'nice guys' if you call them this way. even if they're pussies, i usually consider that really cute. but i'm not really the typical girl i guess, so i'm a bad example haha...
Define typical, I dare you. haha.

[drawndead]

i predict that you will be very successful in dating based on this statement. seriously.

I'm not the greatest looking guy or the best at anything but I have confidence in myself and I have a soft side and I'm sensitive. But I've learned that girls don't want some sappy guy to tell them their life story on the first date or the first encounter ha

[.invisible ink.]

I'm not the greatest looking guy or the best at anything but I have confidence in myself and I have a soft side and I'm sensitive. But I've learned that girls don't want some sappy guy to tell them their life story on the first date or the first encounter ha

exactly. being a little standoffish and kind of an asshole initially/having confidence (or at least pretending to) is really attractive and can make up for not being the hottest guy on the block.

[Sherrice]

exactly. being a little standoffish and kind of an asshole initially/having confidence (or at least pretending to) is really attractive and can make up for not being the hottest guy on the block.


how is this a turn on for girls? i really don't understand this.

[Hamlet]

don't ask girls what they prefer, they simply don't know what they want. Ask a guy that gets girls what girls like.

...You're actually an idiot. Some women like "bad boys", others like guys that are more sensitive, and there's some that don't care for either. That's not because we "don't know what we want", but because not all women are the same. We have different interests and so like different types of men (or women). Instead of acknowledging this, you're acting as if we're just indecisive, which is offensive on so many levels. So I will "get all feminist" on you if you're going to say sexist things.

I'm going to partially back up my boys here.

The reason you shouldn't ask women what they want isn't because they don't know what they want. It's because there is often a difference between what a woman says and what she does.

Sure, she might say she wants a nice guy. Next thing you know she's falling head over heels for this tattooed outlaw biker. Then she starts complaining that he treats her like shit, while her guy friends that are always there for her are left wondering why she never sees them as more than a friend, when they're sure they're the kind of guy she says she likes.

There's also the social norm factor. A girl can't say she wants a guy that fucks her in all directions.

[drawndead]

exactly. being a little standoffish and kind of an asshole initially/having confidence (or at least pretending to) is really attractive and can make up for not being the hottest guy on the block.

I don't wanna come off as desperate or anything so I play it cool act just enough interested to keep her wanting more time with me. But on the rare occasion a girl really interests me and I wanna know more I'm persistent in showing my interest but not on a creep level ha

[Hamlet]

exactly. being a little standoffish and kind of an asshole initially/having confidence (or at least pretending to) is really attractive and can make up for not being the hottest guy on the block.

how is this a turn on for girls? i really don't understand this.

- mystery
- perception of danger/excitement
- challenge of figuring him out/taming him
- perception of being socially/sexually dominant
- perception that the guy is hard to catch makes her chase him
- perception of being wanted by other females increases his value and makes her compete for him

[phil19]

i'm neither.

[Kammy]

I'm going to partially back up my boys here.

The reason you shouldn't ask women what they want isn't because they don't know what they want. It's because there is often a difference between what a woman says and what she does.

Sure, she might say she wants a nice guy. Next thing you know she's falling head over heels for this tattooed outlaw biker. Then she starts complaining that he treats her like shit, while her guy friends that are always there for her are left wondering why she never sees them as more than a friend, when they're sure they're the kind of guy she says she likes.

There's also the social norm factor. A girl can't say she wants a guy that fucks her in all directions.

1) Your "boy" didn't say that there's a difference between what we say and do; he straight out said that we don't know what we want.

2) You know why I don't like "nice guys"? Because, for the most part, they think that they're entitled to a woman. They think that because they're always there for her, they somehow deserve her. I don't know if you saw the comic I posted on the last page (http://xkcd.com/513/), but that's the kind of guy your'e describing. And that guy is a creepy asshole.

[Echo Park]

...You're actually an idiot. Some women like "bad boys", others like guys that are more sensitive, and there's some that don't care for either. That's not because we "don't know what we want", but because not all women are the same. We have different interests and so like different types of men (or women). Instead of acknowledging this, you're acting as if we're just indecisive, which is offensive on so many levels. So I will "get all feminist" on you if you're going to say sexist things.
name calling is no way to get a point across. Grow up doll

[Echo Park]

I'm going to partially back up my boys here.

The reason you shouldn't ask women what they want isn't because they don't know what they want. It's because there is often a difference between what a woman says and what she does.

Sure, she might say she wants a nice guy. Next thing you know she's falling head over heels for this tattooed outlaw biker. Then she starts complaining that he treats her like shit, while her guy friends that are always there for her are left wondering why she never sees them as more than a friend, when they're sure they're the kind of guy she says she likes.

There's also the social norm factor. A girl can't say she wants a guy that fucks her in all directions.
there we go

[Kammy]

name calling is no way to get a point across. Grow up doll

So you're dismissing everything I've said because I called you an idiot? That's ridiculously sensitive of you. Obviously you can't take it when someone calls you out on your sexism.

And don't call me "doll". I find it condescending.

[Echo Park]

So you're dismissing everything I've said because I called you an idiot? That's ridiculously sensitive of you. Obviously you can't take it when someone calls you out on your sexism.

And don't call me "doll". I find it condescending.
i meant it to be condescending because I can already tell what kind of person/girl you are, and how you would take it. But i'm being immature, and purposely fueling your fire.
That guy earlier summed it up better than I did, but i'll repeat it because I agree fully. Girls don't know what they want because they say one thing and do another. You may or may not be one of those girls but I assure you, you are the minority.

[Hamlet]

"I don't know how many time I've told those boys - never call chicks broads!"

[Kammy]

i meant it to be condescending because I can already tell what kind of person/girl you are, and how you would take it. But i'm being immature, and purposely fueling your fire.
That guy earlier summed it up better than I did, but i'll repeat it because I agree fully. Girls don't know what they want because they say one thing and do another. You may or may not be one of those girls but I assure you, you are the minority.

You were purposely condescending and yet you told me to grow up? Nice.

You don't seem to understand why what you're saying is so offensive. You're stereotyping all women by assuming that we're all the same. You say that I'm in the minority, but unless you've met every woman in the world, what you're saying is bullshit.

[alliegator16]

I like how this thread went from a discussion about nice guys vs. bad boys, to a debate about swearing, back to the original discussion (now with a poll!), and has now moved on to an argument about sexism/feminism.

Entertaining thread :)

[Sean Rizzo]

I like how this thread went from a discussion about nice guys vs. bad boys, to a debate about swearing, back to the original discussion (now with a poll!), and has now moved on to an argument about sexism/feminism.

Entertaining thread :)
It's still at the OP, just off and on. And that wasn't really a debate, more like people wondering what I was doing censoring by hand when I actually wasn't.

We already have a thread dedicated to sexism, haha. Why start that in here?

[alliegator16]

It's still at the OP, just off and on. And that wasn't really a debate, more like people wondering what I was doing censoring by hand when I actually wasn't.

We already have a thread dedicated to sexism, haha. Why start that in here?

Ah, well people were arguing with each other, and it was pretty civil, so I decided to call it a debate. :shrug:

edit: I need a shrug smiley that looks more nonchalant...

[Sean Rizzo]

Ah, well people were arguing with each other, and it was pretty civil, so I decided to call it a debate. :shrug:

edit: I need a shrug smiley that looks more nonchalant...
There were a couple argument-worthy posts, I will say that.

[Echo Park]

You were purposely condescending and yet you told me to grow up? Nice.

You don't seem to understand why what you're saying is so offensive. You're stereotyping all women by assuming that we're all the same. You say that I'm in the minority, but unless you've met every woman in the world, what you're saying is bullshit.
why are you so fucking angry. calm the fuck down. It's an opinion. If you don't like my opinion, don't read what I have to say. I tried conceding to you and you still aren't having it. Girls like you just want to wear the fucking pants in every fucking situation. I don't care if girls are different. I don't care if some girls say they like only one type and actually only date that one type. I don't give a fuck. It's you, the bitter, self-righteous type, the one that wants to be treated like equals (which I am not arguing) so fucking badly that you would pick a fight over every little thing. Again, grow up, calm down, and shut the fuck up.

[Echo Park]

pardon my french...i guess i should practice what i preach.

[Kammy]

why are you so fucking angry. calm the fuck down. It's an opinion. If you don't like my opinion, don't read what I have to say. I tried conceding to you and you still aren't having it. Girls like you just want to wear the fucking pants in every fucking situation. I don't care if girls are different. I don't care if some girls say they like only one type and actually only date that one type. I don't give a fuck. It's you, the bitter, self-righteous type, the one that wants to be treated like equals (which I am not arguing) so fucking badly that you would pick a fight over every little thing. Again, grow up, calm down, and shut the fuck up.

The most you could call me was annoyed, not angry. I was arguing in a mostly civil manner, you're the one that suddenly became very angry. I find it funny that after telling me to grow up for calling you an idiot, you used far worse language.

And I'm not sure what part of my comment caused this reaction. All I said was that I find it offensive that you would stereotype women in such a way. I don't think your reaction was justified, to be honest. I'm not trying to "pick a fight over every little thing", I was just trying to have a debate with you. But if you can't take any criticism, clearly there's no point in trying.

Take your own advice and calm down.

[xinthisdimlight]

i like bad boys .. naturally haha
but honestly good guys win in the end.. theres only so much douche you can take

[jmirand1]

why are you so fucking angry. calm the fuck down. It's an opinion. If you don't like my opinion, don't read what I have to say. I tried conceding to you and you still aren't having it. Girls like you just want to wear the fucking pants in every fucking situation. I don't care if girls are different. I don't care if some girls say they like only one type and actually only date that one type. I don't give a fuck. It's you, the bitter, self-righteous type, the one that wants to be treated like equals (which I am not arguing) so fucking badly that you would pick a fight over every little thing. Again, grow up, calm down, and shut the fuck up.

The most you could call me was annoyed, not angry. I was arguing in a mostly civil manner, you're the one that suddenly became very angry. I find it funny that after telling me to grow up for calling you an idiot, you used far worse language.

And I'm not sure what part of my comment caused this reaction. All I said was that I find it offensive that you would stereotype women in such a way. I don't think your reaction was justified, to be honest. I'm not trying to "pick a fight over every little thing", I was just trying to have a debate with you. But if you can't take any criticism, clearly there's no point in trying.

Take your own advice and calm down.

You two both need to calm down. This was actually an interesting/funny thread for awhile.

[Echo Park]

The most you could call me was annoyed, not angry. I was arguing in a mostly civil manner, you're the one that suddenly became very angry. I find it funny that after telling me to grow up for calling you an idiot, you used far worse language.

And I'm not sure what part of my comment caused this reaction. All I said was that I find it offensive that you would stereotype women in such a way. I don't think your reaction was justified, to be honest. I'm not trying to "pick a fight over every little thing", I was just trying to have a debate with you. But if you can't take any criticism, clearly there's no point in trying.

Take your own advice and calm down.
there's a difference between a debate and an argument. And there's no point in either if either party refuses to change their opinion. I however am only defending my opinion, and it gets tiresome especially when I was not looking to "debate." That is why i reacted/overreacted. Your mind is made up, nothing I say will change it I know that. So there's no point in trying. I'm sure I admitted to generalizing, one must in such a situation. You however seem to get offended when one generalizes. You use useless tactics such as me not talking to every single girl in the world, to get your point across. Lady, i'm sure there's women that know what they want and go for it. And in my opinion that's the minority. I'm repeating myself over and over again. You may be, in my opinion, that minority and good for you. But from my experience, while limited because i wasn't cursed into meeting every single girl on the planet (take that as you will), girls don't know what they want. :Race, fat, skinny, ugly, handsome, tan, pale, funny, shy, dorky, cool, girls can say they want something specific but end up falling for something else. Again take that all as you will. I'm not one for debating because i'm not one for confrontation, I'm Canadian afterall.

Is this offensive to women? I honestly don't know. I'm not putting man up and pushing wo-man down. I'm simply talking from experience. If this is offensive, that is what I would want in a reply. If someone teaches me the errors in my ways by a female perspective then great, but debating with me about the foolishness of my ways would not help. Politics 101

[Echo Park]

i think girls wed the good guys in the end. Just look at The Modern Family=)

[Sean Rizzo]

You were purposely condescending and yet you told me to grow up? Nice.

You don't seem to understand why what you're saying is so offensive. You're stereotyping all women by assuming that we're all the same. You say that I'm in the minority, but unless you've met every woman in the world, what you're saying is ******.
Replace "women/woman" in this with "men/man" and you get zion the lion.

[drevans18]

Yes, because women just love it when you think we're too stupid to know what we want. Also, way to lump us as a single entity that likes/dislikes the same things. Maybe you'd have more luck with women if you didn't come up with misogynistic crap like this. Just a thought.

Oh, and when men describe themselves as "nice guys" I think of this: http://xkcd.com/513/ and that's not a good thing.

damn son. you just owned that dude. also, props for xkcd.com. great website.

[drevans18]

Replace "women/woman" in this with "men/man" and you get zion the lion.

hahaha well played sir. also, find me some girls that are in the middle. i'm sure i'd be able to woo the shit out of them. like being honest here? i could probably become friends with most girls. but then i leave myself in that awkward friend zone. awesome right?

[PandaBear!]

this thread was created so i could pick up tips on how to appear more 'sexual' to women. I demand it goes back to focusing on me.

Its almost 6 AM here and i haven't slept a wink :-(

[Sean Rizzo]

hahaha well played sir. also, find me some girls that are in the middle. i'm sure i'd be able to woo the ****** out of them. like being honest here? i could probably become friends with most girls. but then i leave myself in that awkward friend zone. awesome right?
You have to be able to tell whether they're attracted to you or not.

[drevans18]

You have to be able to tell whether they're attracted to you or not.

yeah i know. i've gotten 3 right this year... but the one that i'm most interested in i can't tell. my other friends say yes, but i don't wanna screw that up. you know?

[Sean Rizzo]

yeah i know. i've gotten 3 right this year... but the one that i'm most interested in i can't tell. my other friends say yes, but i don't wanna screw that up. you know?
Ask her out. It doesn't have to be awkward. I've had a girl think I was interested in her but I wasn't, and we still talk.

[StephenYoung]

Hate this. I look like a Nice guy, and I act like a Bad Boy. The only girls who go after me are the ones who want a nice guy to date for a while or because they think that I'll take care of them, when I do date them, I'm just a huge douche who cares too much about himself. In fact, I don't have the chance to be a Dbag to the girls who deserve it, and wait for another 10 years to go after the really nice girls, and save them the heartbreak. And I totally don't want to come off as arrogant right there.

[Sean Rizzo]

Hate this. I look like a Nice guy, and I act like a Bad Boy. The only girls who go after me are the ones who want a nice guy to date for a while or because they think that I'll take care of them, when I do date them, I'm just a huge ****** who cares too much about himself. In fact, I don't have the chance to be a Dbag to the girls who deserve it, and wait for another 10 years to go after the really nice girls, and save them the heartbreak. And I totally don't want to come off as arrogant right there.
Why do you act that way when you obviously realize it gets you nowhere? Try being nice. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't make you less of a man, and it does work. :wave:

[drevans18]

Ask her out. It doesn't have to be awkward. I've had a girl think I was interested in her but I wasn't, and we still talk.

see the problem is she's one of my best friends. gets into the whole "ruin the relationship" or "take the risk" thing. so idk. i've been trying to figure it out for a while and i've come to no conclusions.

also, random. but what do you think of this guy? i met him tonight and we were talking about his music. he's an awesome dude and he's only got this one song i think, but listen to it all the way through. it took me a little while to get into it but after 2 listens, i really dig it.

http://gradyaxtondavis.com/Home_Page.php

[StephenYoung]

Why do you act that way when you obviously realize it gets you nowhere? Try being nice. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't make you less of a man, and it does work. :wave:

No, I'm not mean, or manly or anything, but I don't want to go for the girls who want to find a "nice boy to start a meaningful relationship with". But girls who just want to mess around think I'm too "good" and thus, the my interest range is girls who want to actually invest time in a relationship, and I don't want that.

[drevans18]

Why do you act that way when you obviously realize it gets you nowhere? Try being nice. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't make you less of a man, and it does work. :wave:

again, you win for this.

[Sean Rizzo]

see the problem is she's one of my best friends. gets into the whole "ruin the relationship" or "take the risk" thing. so idk. i've been trying to figure it out for a while and i've come to no conclusions.

also, random. but what do you think of this guy? i met him tonight and we were talking about his music. he's an awesome dude and he's only got this one song i think, but listen to it all the way through. it took me a little while to get into it but after 2 listens, i really dig it.

http://gradyaxtondavis.com/Home_Page.php

Take the risk. If she's too immature to look past you thinking she likes you to keep you as a friend, I'd say she's not a very good friend. Also, if you like her and she says no, immediately shift your attention to another girl. That's how you kill the awkward.

Listening now. :music:

No, I'm not mean, or manly or anything, but I don't want to go for the girls who want to find a "nice boy to start a meaningful relationship with". But girls who just want to mess around think I'm too "good" and thus, the my interest range is girls who want to actually invest time in a relationship, and I don't want that.
Why not? Don't underrate it. It's an amazing feeling. Second best feeling in the world, imo, first being love for your children.

[samschelfhout2]

My observation is that a guy tries to win a girl over being the 'nice guy' but then when he gets her he wants to keep her interested by experimenting with the 'bad' side of him, whatever that may be.

I think overall it's a battle between love vs. lust, depending on what the girl wants.

[StephenYoung]

Take the risk. If she's too immature to look past you thinking she likes you to keep you as a friend, I'd say she's not a very good friend. Also, if you like her and she says no, immediately shift your attention to another girl. That's how you kill the awkward.

Listening now. :music:


Why not? Don't underrate it. It's an amazing feeling. Second best feeling in the world, imo, first being love for your children.

I've been dating my girlfriend for 3 years. I know exactly how to rate it.

[Sean Rizzo]

again, you win for this.
And the verdict is...........




















Pretty good but I wouldn't buy it. haha.

[Sean Rizzo]

I've been dating my girlfriend for 3 years. I know exactly how to rate it.
So you're not happy with her. Find someone who suits you better. And please don't say you feel this way because you're bored sexually, think somewhere outside your pants.

[de1337ed]

this thread was created so i could pick up tips on how to appear more 'sexual' to women. I demand it goes back to focusing on me.

Its almost 6 AM here and i haven't slept a wink :-(


I briefly mentioned earlier that we want what we can't have. This applies to both guys and girls. The problem with being a nice guy is that it's easy to be, as Hamlet described, as a doormat. Being a nice guy isn't bad, but when you let girls walk all over you and you still show them that you're there for them doesn't do you any good. They know that you're there and they may or may not know if you're interested. If they know you're interested then they probably aren't because they know they can have you. They lose the thrill of the chase and get bored. You can still, of course, show them that you're interested, but just give them something to chase after.

And if all else fails, ignore them.

[Sean Rizzo]

this thread was created so i could pick up tips on how to appear more 'sexual' to women. I demand it goes back to focusing on me.

Its almost 6 AM here and i haven't slept a wink :-(
Well aren't we just the center of the universe? =P just playin'.

[StephenYoung]

So you're not happy with her. Find someone who suits you better. And please don't say you feel this way because you're bored sexually, think somewhere outside your pants.

That's not the only thing, I'm bored all around. And I'm 17. Now is the time to think in my pants, even though I don't have to be some sort of sexual deviant.

[Sean Rizzo]

That's not the only thing, I'm bored all around. And I'm 17. Now is the time to think in my pants, even though I don't have to be some sort of sexual deviant.
These two are inextricably linked.

[StephenYoung]

These two are inextricably linked.

Not really. I'm young, I don't want to be hooking up with girls into my late twenties.

[Sean Rizzo]

Not really. I'm young, I don't want to be hooking up with girls into my late twenties.
If you wouldn't want it then, why would you do something now that you'd look back on and regret when you know your attitude will change? Better yet, why not change your attitude right now? It's not like you're entirely and helplessly subjected to the almighty power of your hormones.

[StephenYoung]

If you wouldn't want it then, why would you do something now that you'd look back on and regret when you know your attitude will change? Better yet, why not change your attitude right now? It's not like you're entirely and helplessly subjected to the almighty power of your hormones.

Who said I'd regret it. I'm not proud of everything I've ever done, but there's no point in living with regret. You learn, you move on. other than some kind of disease, there's nothing wrong with being with many different girls at my age.

[Sean Rizzo]

Who said I'd regret it. I'm not proud of everything I've ever done, but there's no point in living with regret. You learn, you move on. other than some kind of disease, there's nothing wrong with being with many different girls at my age.
Disagree wholly with that. But that's beside the point. If you know sleeping with a ton of women just isn't working for you, why not be happy with what does? Is your girlfriend of three years not a blessing? Also, you may appreciate what I said earlier to someone else (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=68340462#post68340 462).

[StephenYoung]

Disagree wholly with that. But that's beside the point. If you know sleeping with a ton of women just isn't working for you, why not be happy with what does? Is your girlfriend of three years not a blessing? Also, you may appreciate what I said earlier to someone else (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=68340462#post68340 462).
I didn't say it wouldn't work for me.

[drevans18]

Take the risk. If she's too immature to look past you thinking she likes you to keep you as a friend, I'd say she's not a very good friend. Also, if you like her and she says no, immediately shift your attention to another girl. That's how you kill the awkward.

Listening now. :music:


yeah i'd agree with you on that. i'll probably bring it up to her soon, and then take the plunge. oh, and yeah. that guy, he's a friend of a friend, and i met him tonight. he just moved out to LA and he's playing a show on friday which i'll probably go to. i dunno if i'd buy it, i wanna hear more. i'll let you know how it is.

[Sherrice]

- mystery
- perception of danger/excitement
- challenge of figuring him out/taming him
- perception of being socially/sexually dominant
- perception that the guy is hard to catch makes her chase him
- perception of being wanted by other females increases his value and makes her compete for him

i guess i don't think like most females do because i think a guy who's an asshole to me doesn't deserve the time of day.

[tawtaw]

There's not much danger or excitement involved with the kind of douchebag op is talking about. Bad boy =/= leather jacket and motorcycle etc.

It's pretty much almost completely down to confidence, which nearly every self-proclaimed "nice guy" doesn't have.

[fiske77]

Good rule of thumb is that most women prefer the bad boy but will say they prefer the nice guy.
this

[A7XXX]

The problem with nice guy is that they're too "easy" and available. Most women or just human beings in general like what they can't have

[PandaBear!]

I briefly mentioned earlier that we want what we can't have. This applies to both guys and girls. The problem with being a nice guy is that it's easy to be, as Hamlet described, as a doormat. Being a nice guy isn't bad, but when you let girls walk all over you and you still show them that you're there for them doesn't do you any good. They know that you're there and they may or may not know if you're interested. If they know you're interested then they probably aren't because they know they can have you. They lose the thrill of the chase and get bored. You can still, of course, show them that you're interested, but just give them something to chase after.

And if all else fails, ignore them.

all this would require them to notice me "in the right way" in the first place.....

[Scrawns]

sluts love bad guys, think im wrong and you just like bad dudes? thats because you are a slut.

wasnt there a video game called bad dudes?

[Hamlet]

i guess i don't think like most females do because i think a guy who's an asshole to me doesn't deserve the time of day.

Like I said before, there is a difference between what a woman says and what a woman does.

[Jordie-182]

I've been nice for years, can honestly say it's gotten me pretty much nowhere

[worthwaiting]

It's confidence that attracts me.

I voted for nice guys tho 'cause I would like to think that I like nice guys more. It's just that you can't be too nice. One of those "too nice guys" had a crush on me once. He was so sweet and kind and he is a really good person plus he was quite handsome, but still he got stuck in the friend zone for me. I hurt him pretty bad (let's just say I started dating with a really close person to him who was what you would call "bad boy" i guess) and I actually can't understand how he can still be so nice to me. There is no logic in attraction. But I think I have learned a bit.

[GoldenScars]

Girls want to fall in love with the nice guys, but always fall for the bad boys. That's just how it goes.

[Hamlet]

In biblical terms:

ZHZsleyKons

[Smeee]

if you describe yourself as a "nice guy" you're probably truly just a douchebag in disguise: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/05/alt-text-nice-guys-guide/

Great article.

[geebee889]

The main problem with nice guys is that they never display their sexuality.

Being submissive, supplicating to her and needlessly giving her value all make you appear desperate, and desperation is an epic turn off.

See my old post here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=48235762#post48235 762) about showing your sexuality and staying the fuck out of the friend zone.

Flirt. Tease. Touch. Be a challenge. Show her that you're interested in her sexually. This is what 'bad boys' do without knowing.

You don't have to be an asshole. You just have to not be a doormat.


You have just hit the nail on the head, my friend.

[Sherrice]

Like I said before, there is a difference between what a woman says and what a woman does.

Yeah, I'm not one of those girls. When I say something I mean it.

[punkrocksta]

Ok. Many will not agree with me, but I'm pretty sure that this is the case. Girls don't like bad boys because they do stupid things or don't give a damn. They like them because they take charge. They don't always ask her to decide what to do but rather they know when to take charge. Girls feel safer with a guy who can make decisions and is adventurous (But not doing foolish dangerous things). A guy who would do something out of the blue instead of calculating things well in advance.
Girls are insecure, and they want to feel safe as a consequence. They want to know they are pretty, intelligent and cared about. So you have to take the pros from the good boy and the pros from the bad boy and combine them. You must also have good intentions. if your intentions are to score asap, then you have no chance of landing the girl of your dreams. Sorry but its the truth, like it or not.

[xsandwichesx]

Idk why girls chase bad boys. I have to deal with my friends, who are girls, talk about how they slept with some dude and then he runs off. I don't feel sorry for any girl anymore who ends up in that situation. It's your fault not the guy. This is why I choose to be in a nice guy, and why my relationship has never had any problems.

[StephenYoung]

Ok. Many will not agree with me, but I'm pretty sure that this is the case. Girls don't like bad boys because they do stupid things or don't give a damn. They like them because they take charge. They don't always ask her to decide what to do but rather they know when to take charge. Girls feel safer with a guy who can make decisions and is adventurous (But not doing foolish dangerous things). A guy who would do something out of the blue instead of calculating things well in advance.
Girls are insecure, and they want to feel safe as a consequence. They want to know they are pretty, intelligent and cared about. So you have to take the pros from the good boy and the pros from the bad boy and combine them. You must also have good intentions. if your intentions are to score asap, then you have no chance of landing the girl of your dreams. Sorry but its the truth, like it or not.

I'm going to print this, then frame it.

[PandaBear!]

bad boys somehow have the ability to make girls come to them, unlike nice guys who always have to make the first move.
I swear it's really subtle body language that can indicate who is a 'nice guy' before they even speak or something...............must. learn. what it. is. and. do.... opposite.....

[inspirefate]

nice guys are too needy and obessive and bad guys are too much of an asshole.

[Chancetobe]

Bad boys are fun for now. Good guys are what you want in the long run.

[terror_91]

bad boys somehow have the ability to make girls come to them, unlike nice guys who always have to make the first move.
I swear it's really subtle body language that can indicate who is a 'nice guy' before they even speak or something...............must. learn. what it. is. and. do.... opposite.....
It's the air of confidence bud. If you walk into a room, you can tell straight away who the confident people are. You only need to do that to catch a girl's attention and you are pretty much 1/4 of the way there. First impressions like that count for a lot.

[Sean Rizzo]

yeah i'd agree with you on that. i'll probably bring it up to her soon, and then take the plunge. oh, and yeah. that guy, he's a friend of a friend, and i met him tonight. he just moved out to LA and he's playing a show on friday which i'll probably go to. i dunno if i'd buy it, i wanna hear more. i'll let you know how it is.
k thanks. lol.

I didn't say it wouldn't work for me.
You just said that the promiscuous girls would think you were too "good" for them.

[Sean Rizzo]

nice guys are too needy and obessive and bad guys are too much of an ******.
Stereotypes suck, kyle.

[StephenYoung]

k thanks. lol.


You just said that the promiscuous girls would think you were too "good" for them.

If I did get with them, it wouldn't bother me though.

[Sean Rizzo]

If I did get with them, it wouldn't bother me though.
I know that, but you said yourself it was incredibly unlikely. haha.

[Hamlet]

bad boys somehow have the ability to make girls come to them, unlike nice guys who always have to make the first move.
I swear it's really subtle body language that can indicate who is a 'nice guy' before they even speak or something...............must. learn. what it. is. and. do.... opposite.....

It's all in the body language.

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/10/19/how-your-body-language-conveys-confidence-intelligence-and-trust--or-a-lack-there-of.htm

Also, it's worth paying attention to your personal style. Find clothes that fit and flatter your body type, colours that work with your skin tone, a haircut that suits your face shape, and unique pieces that express your personality.

[dancelukedance]

The main problem with nice guys is that they never display their sexuality.

Being submissive, supplicating to her and needlessly giving her value all make you appear desperate, and desperation is an epic turn off.

See my old post here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=48235762#post48235 762) about showing your sexuality and staying the fuck out of the friend zone.

Flirt. Tease. Touch. Be a challenge. Show her that you're interested in her sexually. This is what 'bad boys' do without knowing.

You don't have to be an asshole. You just have to not be a doormat.

That old post of yours was really good. I might try and work some of that advice into my repotoire.

Thanks

[inspirefate]

Stereotypes suck, kyle.
:] don't hate.

[inspirefate]

:] don't hate.
I also wasn't being serious

[Sean Rizzo]

:] don't hate.
Stereotypes still suck, and you better not have been, or else.