I like president Bush...

[halfamile]

...therefore, I am more punk than you...

...the mohawk of the scene...a true rebel...

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

yes its very punk to like a religious, homophobic, spoiled white man from a powerful family who uses his political power to wage wars that kill thousands, fights against a woman's right to choose, and gives tax breaks to corporate crooks while diminishing the liberties of americans. you are quite the rebel, embracing a man who basically epitomizes the political establishment.

[youcomebeforeyo]

yes its very punk to like a religious, homophobic, spoiled white man from a powerful family who uses his political power to wage wars that kill thousands, fights against a woman's right to choose, and gives tax breaks to corporate crooks while diminishing the liberties of americans. you are quite the rebel, embracing a man who basically epitomizes the political establishment.

In all fairness sir may I call you an enemy of America?

[buysoap]

...therefore, I am more punk than you...

...the mohawk of the scene...a true rebel...''

u r 2 kewl

[halfamile]

yes its very punk to like a religious, homophobic, spoiled white man from a powerful family who uses his political power to wage wars that kill thousands, fights against a woman's right to choose, and gives tax breaks to corporate crooks while diminishing the liberties of americans. you are quite the rebel, embracing a man who basically epitomizes the political establishment.

:fuck: <---me making more spoiled white men...watch out!

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

In all fairness sir may I call you an enemy of America?

Um, no.

[Scott Weber]

In all fairness sir may I call you an enemy of America?
Nah, but you may call him an over-zealous extreme liberal that is tearing apart the USA at the seams.

[thejetstolehome]

i don't like him/his policies. does that make me un-punk rock? i mean, that's the whole reason i don't like him--so i can be punk.

[BreakerBreaker]

I like my punk like I like my president, homophobic and racist.

[halfamile]

but if EVERYONE is being a rebel and not conforming, I would then be the rebel

[smokedsanity]

Politics...what a silly game

[halfamile]

Politics...what a silly game

this is true...let's drink beer

[smokedsanity]

this is true...let's drink beer

sounds good

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

Nah, but you may call him an over-zealous extreme liberal that is tearing apart the USA at the seams.

Yes, yes. A prolonged war with no exit strategy, a continued degradation of the environment, a systematic discrimination against innocent people just because of their sexuality, re-implementation of torture, invasion of privacy, 42 million people without healthcare, millions who go homeless every night, a public education system that's in crisis in more states than it works... none of these things are "tearing apart the USA". Just people like me, who stand up against them.

Tell you what, we'll talk in 10 years about the contribution's you've made to American politics and the contributions I've made. And we'll see who has done more to help our country. Or hell, we could do it now. I've lobbied for a clean energy standard for my state, led student calling campaigns to pass legislation to help the people of Darfur, helped the man who will soon be the first Muslim ever to serve in the US House of Reps win his primary (Keith Ellison, look him up), and worked on countless other issues that are apparently "tearing apart the USA at the seams". Tell me, what have you done besides spout your bullshit on a message board?

[Lueda Alia]

Yes, yes. A prolonged war with no exit strategy, a continued degradation of the environment, a systematic discrimination against innocent people just because of their sexuality, re-implementation of torture, invasion of privacy, 42 million people without healthcare, millions who go homeless every night, a public education system that's in crisis in more states than it works... none of these things are "tearing apart the USA". Just people like me, who stand up against them.


I'd also like to throw in the approval of a torture bill. How amazing. For some reason though, I find it quite hypocritical because America likes to be known about its democracy and human rights..

[Scott Weber]

Yes, yes. A prolonged war with no exit strategy, a continued degradation of the environment, a systematic discrimination against innocent people just because of their sexuality, re-implementation of torture, invasion of privacy, 42 million people without healthcare, millions who go homeless every night, a public education system that's in crisis in more states than it works... none of these things are "tearing apart the USA". Just people like me, who stand up against them.

Tell you what, we'll talk in 10 years about the contribution's you've made to American politics and the contributions I've made. And we'll see who has done more to help our country. Or hell, we could do it now. I've lobbied for a clean energy standard for my state, led student calling campaigns to pass legislation to help the people of Darfur, helped the man who will soon be the first Muslim ever to serve in the US House of Reps win his primary (Keith Ellison, look him up), and worked on countless other issues that are apparently "tearing apart the USA at the seams". Tell me, what have you done besides spout your bullshit on a message board?

an over-zealous extreme liberal.

It's so funny, because I knew exactly what you were going to say before you said it...and then you proved my point. There are ways to be tactful. But I'm glad you're involved, I'm glad you're trying to make a difference - good. Seriously. It's important to stand up for what you believe it, as long as you have open eyes. Too bad you're an asshole. If you really wanted to make a difference, you'd attempt to unify people instead of being a fucking douchebag to others who disagree with you. Your ego is gigantic, man. This is the reason America will face a civil war in our lifetime. The blue states vs. the red states. It's funny, because it USED to be the right-wing people calling out the liberal side for their actions. Now, it's completely switched. Liberals have gone on the offensive and if you associate yourself as a conservative in the least, you get bashed as a homophob (not true), Fox News watching (Also not true). It's just completely ridiculous. You're gay. You're an atheist. You hate Bush. I get it. I don't have a problem with your beliefs, it's just funny that I called you on your personal attack before it even happened.

[thejetstolehome]

It's so funny, because I knew exactly what you were going to say before you said it...and then you proved my point. There are ways to be tactful. But I'm glad you're involved, I'm glad you're trying to make a difference - good. Seriously. It's important to stand up for what you believe it, as long as you have open eyes. Too bad you're an asshole. If you really wanted to make a difference, you'd attempt to unify people instead of being a fucking douchebag to others who disagree with you. Your ego is gigantic, man. This is the reason America will face a civil war in our lifetime. The blue states vs. the red states. It's funny, because it USED to be the right-wing people calling out the liberal side for their actions. Now, it's completely switched. Liberals have gone on the offensive and if you associate yourself as a conservative in the least, you get bashed as a homophob (not true), Fox News watching (Also not true). It's just completely ridiculous. You're gay. You're an atheist. You hate Bush. I get it. I don't have a problem with your beliefs, it's just funny that I called you on your personal attack before it even happened.

unification would be great but honestly, how many issues are there that the right and left actually agree upon?

and perhaps conservatives get lumped together like that because the party discipline in the republican party is incredibly strong. they usually vote as one big block and that's why people liken all conservatives to another. with the democratic party, there's a lot less party discipline because the range of ideology is huge. in the republican party, it's a majority to the "far" right (not to the point of facism but i use far as a relative term) and a few scattered towards the middle. the democratic party ranges from straight up conservatives (thanks, south!) to pretty radical. anyway, my point is the same was my original question--on what issue will a relatively radical liberal and a staunch conservative agree upon? one could say getting out of iraq but the way it looks, that won't happen for a damn long time. will they agree upon gay marriage? i doubt it. healthcare? probably not. enviornmental issues? maybe. foreign policy is probably the only issue on which they'll agree but we need our politicians to start looking towards the problems in our own country.

that was probably a lot less intelligent/well thought out/writen than i thought it was. sorry.

[Lueda Alia]

It's so funny, because I knew exactly what you were going to say before you said it...and then you proved my point. There are ways to be tactful. But I'm glad you're involved, I'm glad you're trying to make a difference - good. Seriously. It's important to stand up for what you believe it, as long as you have open eyes. Too bad you're an asshole. If you really wanted to make a difference, you'd attempt to unify people instead of being a fucking douchebag to others who disagree with you. Your ego is gigantic, man. This is the reason America will face a civil war in our lifetime. The blue states vs. the red states. It's funny, because it USED to be the right-wing people calling out the liberal side for their actions. Now, it's completely switched. Liberals have gone on the offensive and if you associate yourself as a conservative in the least, you get bashed as a homophob (not true), Fox News watching (Also not true). It's just completely ridiculous. You're gay. You're an atheist. You hate Bush. I get it. I don't have a problem with your beliefs, it's just funny that I called you on your personal attack before it even happened.

Well there's a lot to complain about the current administration, you know?

I bolded those parts because you accused liberals for thinking of conservatives in a certain way. The fact of the matter is, both sides do it and you proved it because I can't count the times a liberal has been called all those things.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

Nah, but you may call him an over-zealous extreme liberal that is tearing apart the USA at the seams.

Yeah that would sound about right.

[ThatGuy]

i think the original intent of this kid was that it's so common to dislike george bush that you are more punk and rebelious if you DO like him.

in which case, he would be right

[Scott Weber]

unification would be great but honestly, how many issues are there that the right and left actually agree upon?

and perhaps conservatives get lumped together like that because the party discipline in the republican party is incredibly strong. they usually vote as one big block and that's why people liken all conservatives to another. with the democratic party, there's a lot less party discipline because the range of ideology is huge. in the republican party, it's a majority to the "far" right (not to the point of facism but i use far as a relative term) and a few scattered towards the middle. the democratic party ranges from straight up conservatives (thanks, south!) to pretty radical. anyway, my point is the same was my original question--on what issue will a relatively radical liberal and a staunch conservative agree upon? one could say getting out of iraq but the way it looks, that won't happen for a damn long time. will they agree upon gay marriage? i doubt it. healthcare? probably not. enviornmental issues? maybe. foreign policy is probably the only issue on which they'll agree but we need our politicians to start looking towards the problems in our own country.

that was probably a lot less intelligent/well thought out/writen than i thought it was. sorry.
The point is how quickly I've noticed liberals, in this time of Bush-hating, jump to simply attack instead of debating. They're quick to make things personal, they lump all conservatives together, and sure, both sides do it...but recently it's shifted far more to the left. It's not even about politics anymore, it's not even about making a change, it's about ripping the opponent apart and calling them moronic, and I hate that.

(And eda, his profile says gay/atheist, so it's not like I was making a generalization there)

[thejetstolehome]

The point is how quickly I've noticed liberals, in this time of Bush-hating, jump to simply attack instead of debating. They're quick to make things personal, they lump all conservatives together, and sure, both sides do it...but recently it's shifted far more to the left. It's not even about politics anymore, it's not even about making a change, it's about ripping the opponent apart and calling them moronic, and I hate that.

(And eda, his profile says gay/atheist, so it's not like I was making a generalization there)

well, there's one point where a liberal and conservative agree. i hate attack politics becuase it really takes away from the spirit of what american politics are supposed to be about. while i think it's fair to point out your disagreements with another ideology/follower of that ideology, i don't think that should be the whole argument. there should be some sort of at least realatively coherent discourse between the two (individuals and groups). only then can real progress be made.

[Justin_stacy]

well, there's one point where a liberal and conservative agree. i hate attack politics becuase it really takes away from the spirit of what american politics are supposed to be about. .

But wouldn't you call your humorously ignorant labeling of the Republican Party as "far" right a derogator, political, attack? It’s not even remotely factual, but nothing more then a weak attempt at demonizing ones opponent and stifling disccusion.

So you perpetrate what you claim to hate.......what does that say about you?

[thejetstolehome]

But wouldn't you call your humorously ignorant labeling of the Republican Party as "far" right a derogator, political, attack? It’s not even remotely factual, but nothing more then a weak attempt at demonizing ones opponent and stifling disccusion.

So you perpetrate what you claim to hate.......what does that say about you?

did you even read what i said? i put far in quotes and then explained why i said far in the next sentence. i was using it as a relative term and wasn't meaning it as an attack. if it came off that way then i apologize and that's not how i meant it. i also didn't mean it in a humourous context.

and how is that demonizing? when did i say "if you're on the far right you're an evil human being!"? if that's what you believe, it's what you believe and i'm not gonna call someone out for that. i will most liekly disagree with that person's politcal beliefs and have differing opinions on certain issues but i will never say he or she is a bad person for believing that. i never attacked anyone for having that set of beliefs so i don't know where you got that from.

[Scott Weber]

I think he confused you with the original guy who laced into me.

[Justin_stacy]

did you even read what i said? i put far in quotes and then explained why i said far in the next sentence. i was using it as a relative term and wasn't meaning it as an attack. if it came off that way then i apologize and that's not how i meant it. i also didn't mean it in a humourous context. .

I read exactly what you said.......and that's the fact you said it. [ , it's a majority to the "far" right (not to the point of facism but i use far as a relative term) and a few scattered towards the middle ] You referred to the Republican Party in a way that implies extremism, with a few scattered in the middle. Far, even when put in " " (and I apologize the name of these has escaped me}, in a political sense denotes extremist. The Republican Party is not in anyway extremist; it’s unfortunately barely conservative. So how does “far” fit? Or example what "relative term" means that would be worthy of the "far" label.

and how is that demonizing? when did i say "if you're on the far right you're an evil human being!"? if that's what you believe, it's what you believe and i'm not gonna call someone out for that. i will most liekly disagree with that person's politcal beliefs and have differing opinions on certain issues but i will never say he or she is a bad person for believing that. i never attacked anyone for having that set of beliefs so i don't know where you got that from.

You don't see how lumping a moderate political party or movement to the extreme of one political side is demonizing it? Do you know what demonizing is? "Far" because of what it is and what has been created out of it; fascism and communism, denotes evil in politics. When you say “far” right what is the fist thing that comes to people minds (particularly those with “weak“ minds)?

Now that’s not to say you don’t have the right call anything you want “far” right, but don’t say you hate political attacks right after doing it. Because that’s what it is, unless you can back it up, its nothing more then a baseless attack.

[thejetstolehome]

I read exactly what you said.......and that's the fact you said it. You referred to the Republican Party in a way that implies extremism. Far, even when put in " " (and I apologize the name of these has escaped me}, in a political sense denotes extremist. The Republican Party is not in anyway extremist; it’s unfortunately barely conservative. So how does “far” fit?



You don't see how lumping a moderate political party or movement to the extreme of one political side is demonizing it? Do you know what demonizing is? "Far" because of what it is and what has been created out of it; fascism and communism, denotes evil in politics. When you say “far” right what is the fist thing that comes to people minds (particularly those with “weak“ minds)?

Now that’s not to say you don’t have the right call anything you “far” right, but don’t say you hate political attacks right after doing it. Because that’s what it is, unless you can back it up, its nothing more then a baseless attack.

i also said "not to the point of facism" which would denote no form of extremism.

and if this came out as an attack, i didn't mean it. and i figured people here would realize what i mean by putting far in quotation marks because the people that post here tend to be pretty intelligent.

using far was a mistake and i'm sorry--the point of the post was to say that the republican party, regardless of where one may think it falls on the spectrum, is a party that has extreme party discipline and that is why they may get lumped together sometimes.

[Scott Weber]

i also said "not to the point of facism" which would denote no form of extremism.

and if this came out as an attack, i didn't mean it. and i figured people here would realize what i mean by putting far in quotation marks because the people that post here tend to be pretty intelligent.

using far was a mistake and i'm sorry--the point of the post was to say that the republican party, regardless of where one may think it falls on the spectrum, is a party that has extreme party discipline and that is why they may get lumped together sometimes.
I consider the democratic party to be more extreme in today's world than the republican party. The tide has shifted.

[thejetstolehome]

I consider the democratic party to be more extreme in today's world than the republican party. The tide has shifted.

i think it's pretty moderate. i mean, when most democrats support the war, won't support a censure of the president and will not openly come out in support of gay marriage (no pun intended, sorry). that doesn't seem too radical to me--but that's just me.

[Scott Weber]

i think it's pretty moderate. i mean, when most democrats support the war, won't support a censure of the president and will not openly come out in support of gay marriage (no pun intended, sorry). that doesn't seem too radical to me--but that's just me.
haha, you understand what "most" means when it comes to your party, but you don't when it comes to republicans.

[BreakerBreaker]

The Democrats in Congress are far from being extremists. But the Republicans aren't being incredibly radical as far as today's standards go. I'll agree that young Democrats are more radical than they were say 5 years ago.

[captainhampton]

Yes, yes. A prolonged war with no exit strategy, a continued degradation of the environment, a systematic discrimination against innocent people just because of their sexuality, re-implementation of torture, invasion of privacy, 42 million people without healthcare, millions who go homeless every night, a public education system that's in crisis in more states than it works... none of these things are "tearing apart the USA". Just people like me, who stand up against them.

Tell you what, we'll talk in 10 years about the contribution's you've made to American politics and the contributions I've made. And we'll see who has done more to help our country. Or hell, we could do it now. I've lobbied for a clean energy standard for my state, led student calling campaigns to pass legislation to help the people of Darfur, helped the man who will soon be the first Muslim ever to serve in the US House of Reps win his primary (Keith Ellison, look him up), and worked on countless other issues that are apparently "tearing apart the USA at the seams". Tell me, what have you done besides spout your bullshit on a message board?

here's the exit strategy, we leave when the job is DONE. timetables don't work with war

there has always been torture. our torture methods compared to other countries is very tame. So what should we do with captured terroists? coddle them, ask them nicely to answer our questions. these are people willing to kill innocent people. they will not help us if we simply ask them questions. torture methods are needed.

umm there's always been homeless people. under every president, don't blame Bush for that. yes Clinton was better at jobs, but with the immigration problem how much can Bush do?


and finally, seriously do you want a cookie? good that you are involved but there is no good in criticizing people for talking on a message board because guess what, you posted on a message board too. here's a tip, don't act so smug. no one likes people who claim to be superior to other people.

[thejetstolehome]

haha, you understand what "most" means when it comes to your party, but you don't when it comes to republicans.

well, considering every democrat, with the exception of two, i think, voted in favor of the war, i'd say that's most. not a single other democrat supported senator fiengold's call for a censure and i can't think of anyone who's actually pro gay marriage or has taken a strong stance on it.

[fromwithin]

Tell you what, we'll talk in 10 years about the contribution's you've made to American politics and the contributions I've made. And we'll see who has done more to help our country. Or hell, we could do it now. I've lobbied for a clean energy standard for my state, led student calling campaigns to pass legislation to help the people of Darfur, helped the man who will soon be the first Muslim ever to serve in the US House of Reps win his primary (Keith Ellison, look him up), and worked on countless other issues that are apparently "tearing apart the USA at the seams". Tell me, what have you done besides spout your bullshit on a message board?

wow nice, you're helping the enemy get right in there. awesome.

[halfamile]

HAHAHAHA!!!!

I was totally kidding when I started this thread...

...go outside and throw a ball or something

[halfamile]

i think the original intent of this kid was that it's so common to dislike george bush that you are more punk and rebelious if you DO like him.

in which case, he would be right


oh I missed this! thanks, random person

I'm having way too much fun on this politics forum

[a speedo model]

yes its very punk to like a religious, homophobic, spoiled white man from a powerful family who uses his political power to wage wars that kill thousands, fights against a woman's right to choose, and gives tax breaks to corporate crooks while diminishing the liberties of americans. you are quite the rebel, embracing a man who basically epitomizes the political establishment.
you're an idiot.