Poor taxpayers still benefit

[WithStamin]

I just read this great letter in the paper and I had to post it here.

I do not see how people can say that the $350 billion tax cut came through on the backs of the poor. Obviously, they do not know the tax code!
For example, a family with two children with total income of $26,625 annual income last year would have the following figures on its income tax return:
Total income = $26,625. Taxable income = $6,775 (total income less standard deduction and four exemptions). Tax = $678. Child Tax Credit = $678. Tax due = $0. Extra Child Tax Credit = $522. Earned Income Credit = $ 1,591.
Total "refund" = $2,113 (plus the amount withheld).
Now, who is riding on whose back?


Gaylord W. Bennett
Boring, Oregon

Nice little slap in the fact to all you critics of the tax cut. This applies to poor taxpayers, it doesn't even mention the millions who don't pay squat and get loads of government benefits.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by WithStamin
I just read this great letter in the paper and I had to post it here.



Nice little slap in the fact to all you critics of the tax cut. This applies to poor taxpayers, it doesn't even mention the millions who don't pay squat and get loads of government benefits.
thats great

[kidinthecorner]

Hehehe... the guy's name is Gaylord...

[evil zach]

Originally posted by WithStamin
I just read this great letter in the paper and I had to post it here.



Nice little slap in the fact to all you critics of the tax cut. This applies to poor taxpayers, it doesn't even mention the millions who don't pay squat and get loads of government benefits.
yet the question still remains, how do they plan to pay for it?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
yet the question still remains, how do they plan to pay for it?
by killing endangered species, cutting down rain forests, killing off all of the american indians, driving suv's and eating red meat. thats how we are going to pay for it.

[evil zach]

so in other words, nobody is quite sure.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
so in other words, nobody is quite sure.
ill be the first to admit when i dont know....and i dont know

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
so in other words, nobody is quite sure. I know that Bush is saving millions by privatising many federal government jobs, opening them up to competition. That's part of it...

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach
how do they plan to pay for it?

people pay taxes, not government...........

[evil zach]

but if they are going to cut taxes, money needs to be avalable. Otherwise you'll end up with a situation in like we have in ontario where everything has gone down the crapper

[BrandNewRock05]

although its semi-socialist, i still think this is a good idea. the government should go into business. just like any other company. you arent forced to buy the government product, but you have the option. lets say they make cereal. you have the choice of what there is now, and Uncle Sam's Corn Flakes. Proceeds go to help the USA. Thats it. You can still buy kellog, but you have the option to by the US's cereal.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach
but if they are going to cut taxes, money needs to be avalable. Otherwise you'll end up with a situation in like we have in ontario where everything has gone down the crapper


no it doesn't, the government just needs to start spending money more effiecently and cut ALL the unneeded and uesless programs...........this is probably what happened with ontario, to many useless social programs destroyed the providences funds..............

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
no it doesn't, the government just needs to start spending money more effiecently and cut ALL the unneeded and uesless programs...........this is probably what happened with ontario, to many useless social programs destroyed the providences funds..............
yeah, like education, health care, public utilities...phh! who needs them!

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach
yeah, like education, health care, public utilities...phh! who needs them!

Boy the whole term, USELESS, went way over your head didn't it....also the government doesn't fund the majority of health care, and shouldn't........and even you have to be smart enough to see the utter lack of quality education that public schools provide, even when we pump ungodly amounts of money into it............


Useless Government Programs or
Pork and other Stupidity.
by A.H. Krieg


If I had the chance to run the government what would be my first act? I would get rid of many programs, agencies, and much of the bureaucracy, which sucks the lifeblood from the people.

#1 The department of Education. (JOHNSON)
The department of education provides no viable service in the federal state. It is unconstitutional because it violates the tenth amendment. Education should be a local matter left up to the communities and states. Every dollar provided to local schools comes with strings attached, which in most cases come in the form of federal mandates, which wind up costing more than the amount given. Furthermore the department of education being a typical government bureaucracy consumes more than 50% of it's collected by taxation funds in administrative burdens. Local and state governments are substantially more efficient. By eliminating the department of education the nation would get higher quality education, eliminate bureaucratic meddling in a locally administered function, eliminate federal mandates, and save billions of dollars in taxation.

#2 The Department of Energy (CARTER)
The department of energy's principal function in the last ten years has been in providing the PRC information enabling them to produce thermonuclear weapons systems. Again this agency is in violation of the tenth amendment. It has provided no service except for the employment of lots of bureaucrats. We did without this agency for 200 years without any problem and I see no reason for its existence.

#3 The Department of Homeland Security (BUSH)
What the hell do we have an army for? Better called the agency for insecurity, they have since inception in 2003 not: tightened up border security, expelled the over 13.7 million illegal immigrants, expelled the over 13,000 illegal immigrant felons that Justice wants deported. They have federalized airport screeners not increasing quality but only cost, produced a color coded alert system, cried wolf so often that we are becoming numb.

#4 AmeriCorps (CLINTOJUGEND)
This organization spends money (pays) people to learn how to be politically correct and to indoctrinate its members to become Democrats. Payrolls are outrageous. They have been unable to provide any auditing. This agency is a sinkhole for cash without any social redeeming value whatever.

# 5 The Legal Services Corporation (NIXON)
Supposedly to provide legal assistance to the poor, this agency has become part of the lawyer full employment institute. It has been used for numerous class action suites in which 65 to 80% of the collected funds wound up in lawyers coffers instead of the people it was set up to help. Wasting about $ 330 million per year this agency costs taxpayers billions in increased prices of consumer goods, and corporations in increased product liability insurance. They are the bane of landlords by preventing eviction for non-payment of rents.

#6 The Corporation for Public Broadcasting
This agency funds about 14% of all PBS costs, but that's not the entire story. Because PBS is set up as a tax-exempt corporation the government loses all corporate taxes, which they collect from all competitors. Furthermore numerous employees due to special contracts with PBS have become millionaires. The content of PBS Radio in particular is the furthest politically left of any American broadcast media. Per example almost all interviewees represent CFR, TC, or Bilderberger membership, absolutely no effort is made to balance political opinion, book reviews, commentary, on social, political, or judicial content.

#7 McCain Feingold Campaign Fiancé Reform Act. (Clinton)
This law was touted to clean up (dry up) cash contributions in electoral campaigns. What in fact this law does is to violate the first amendment, prevent the exposure of incumbent's records, restrict the flow of free information, and tilt campaign financing toward labor unions. (It will in all probability be struck by the Supreme Court as an illegal violation of the first amendment of the constitution)

#8 American Patriot Act (Bush)
This law violates the first, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and ninth amendment to the constitution. It is the worst legislative act in the history of America. It was passed by congress before any legislator ever read it. The Supreme Court will in all probability strike it when it come before them.

#9 NAFTA (Clinton)
This illegally implemented by executive order agreement is economically the worst deal ever made by the United States with anyone or anything. America went from a trade surplus of $6.4 billon annually to a deficit of $34 billion annually with only two trading partners. We have lost 7 million manufacturing jobs and as a result of the agreement illegal immigration has crested at 13.7 million in the country by 2003.

#10 The Davis Bacon Act. (Hoover)
This law single handedly guarantees that the federal government will pay more for any contracting job than anyone else. On average this law increases the cost of federal projects by 38% over the going in community rate. The law was originally enacted to prevent black workers from taking jobs at lower pay than whites. It is no longer needed and should be scrapped.

#11 The Endangered Species Act. (NIXON)
The law gives bureaucrats wild ranging powers in dealing with wildlife. It has been miss-applied through the use of falsification of information. Per Example: The spotted owl case in which over 50 lumberyards and thousands of timber industries were destroyed in the Pacific N.W. Ten years after the enforcement of not cutting "Old Growth Timber" it was determined that: Spotted Owls did not count the rings on trees to determine their age before nesting in them, and secondly that there were thousands of pairs of nesting spotted owls from Golden Gate Park in SF all the way up to Canada. This law has cost the country billions upon billions of dollars for nothing.

#12 No Child Left Behind. (BUSH)
Better called no teacher left without a raise. It is a massive effort to federalize all education. The federal government has amply demonstrated its total lack of ability in educating or teaching anyone anything. The program federalizes standardized tests in some misconceived notion that such testing will improve education.

Other programs that should be immediately eliminated.
Farm Tobacco subsidies
The Ethanol Program
Women's Ed. Equity Program
Affirmative Action
The FDA
Strategic Milk Reserve
The NEA
All payment to the UN
NASSA
Social Security (Privatize)
The War on Drugs
Clean Water Act
Federal funding for AARP
The war on Poverty
Fuel Economy Standards

[evil zach]

I actully agreed with alot fo that. not all, but alot.
You also said that education should be run by the state government, did you not? In canada its run by the provinces. My main problem with the ontario governments education poloicies, is that they are raising the expectations for students. While I would generaly support that, they arn't providing funding for teachers to acesses materals to allow them to help students reach these standards. In many of my classes, I don't even have text books, and if I do they are horribly out-dated and come nowhere close to teaching the curriculum. Thats because whil changing the curiculum and raiseng the expectations they also cut taxes. To do so they had to cut the budget for education. As a result teachers strike in attempt to get the funding needed (although I often question if that is their real motiv) and don't learn anything at all (in regards to the new curriculum, I actully learn more outside of school then in, but you see the point I'm making).

[WithStamin]

Justin_Stacey, I'm staring to believe in you again. What you just suggested would make America a truly great place. However, it will never happen because Republicans have to appeal to moderates to win the election. We can always dream, though...

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach
I actully agreed with alot fo that. not all, but alot.
You also said that education should be run by the state government, did you not? In canada its run by the provinces. My main problem with the ontario governments education poloicies, is that they are raising the expectations for students. While I would generaly support that, they arn't providing funding for teachers to acesses materals to allow them to help students reach these standards. In many of my classes, I don't even have text books, and if I do they are horribly out-dated and come nowhere close to teaching the curriculum. Thats because whil changing the curiculum and raiseng the expectations they also cut taxes. To do so they had to cut the budget for education. As a result teachers strike in attempt to get the funding needed (although I often question if that is their real motiv) and don't learn anything at all (in regards to the new curriculum, I actully learn more outside of school then in, but you see the point I'm making).

ya there are things to work out, about the idea, but i do beleive that localization of the school system will help out both the students and the community that supports it, and get rid of most of the red tape that wastes alot of the schools funding. It will also allow each area to teach what they feel is correct and important, and this will help make parents more involved. But i think the main issue is that this is an area where the FEDERAL government has no bussiness in. Since the Civil War ended states have continueously been striped of there rights and controls, by an overly oppressive central gov. and this is the complete opposite of what the Found Fathers, and most americans (i hope) want.............But it wont happen, those in DC will never give up there power............also in America teachers can't strike.........

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Justin_Stacey, I'm staring to believe in you again. What you just suggested would make America a truly great place. However, it will never happen because Republicans have to appeal to moderates to win the election. We can always dream, though...

also its Justin_Stacy.........no E..........stacey is a girls name, stacy is an IRISH boys name.............thank you....