Interesting Findings On The Racist History Of Democrats

[takenflight]

http://www.nbra.info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Dr._Martin _Luther_King__Jr._Was_A_Republican

[Sean Rizzo]

http://www.nbra.info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Dr._Martin _Luther_King__Jr._Was_A_Republican
Not surprised at all.

[jwicklun]

:hitself:

[Takk...Ros]

So there are racist democrats too? Wow. I'm so shocked.

[takenflight]

So there are racist democrats too? Wow. I'm so shocked.

I'm not shocked, but to many posters here the democrats can do no wrong...Oh hail the messiah, lord Obama...u catch my drift?

[open mind]

i'll never vote democrat again!!! thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

[jwicklun]

well this thread is going to be amusing to say the least.

[takenflight]

im sure it will be...i cant wait for the holier than thou types to come swinging with their smide remarks!

woot!

[jwicklun]

I'm not shocked, but to many posters here the democrats can do no wrong...Oh hail the messiah, lord Obama...u catch my drift?

what are you talking about? of all things most members on this site have been incredibly critical of the democrats.

[Sean Rizzo]

what are you talking about? of all things most members on this site have been incredibly critical of the democrats.
Maybe for not being liberal enough.

[zion the lion]

I'm sorry, I thought we all knew this.

Is this a joke that I'm not catching on to?

[Manicapathy]

You've convinced me. The democratic party is the devil. Imma go buy my Palin 2012 bumper sticker, get a "I heart O'reiley" tattoo on my left ass cheek, and stop a gay marriage by driving an F250 through the front door with the guitar solo from Freebird playing in the background.

[takenflight]

really?

we were blasted in many threads for being anti-Obama

I was called a racist even though I never made any racist remarks...I was called racist soley for the fact that I disagreed with the policies of Barack Obama...I was told "just admit that you don't like people of color"

This is funny since I am an avid supporter of Alan Keyes who is 100 % black,lol..unlike Obama who is only partially black

[jwicklun]

Maybe for not being liberal enough.

or the fact they do not have much of a spine, and refuse to make much use of a super majority.

[jwicklun]

i'm ready for this thread to bring in the LOLs.

[Manicapathy]

Oh, just felt the need to post this:

This guy is either

1) really stupid

or 2)
http://jokersmilez.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/obvious_troll.jpg

[takenflight]

You've convinced me. The democratic party is the devil. Imma go buy my Palin 2012 bumper sticker, get a "I heart O'reiley" tattoo on my left ass cheek, and stop a gay marriage by driving an F250 through the front door with the guitar solo from Freebird playing in the background.

Really, thats so cool! (sarcasm)

I'm a moderate, not a republican. Yes, I can call out both liberals & conservatives

I can call out liberals and still be pro-gay rights

I can call out Conservatives and still believe in certain aspects of christianity

Yes it is possible...if you only open your mind a little...but it appears that rather, you have a little mind

[zion the lion]

You've convinced me. The democratic party is the devil. Imma go buy my Palin 2012 bumper sticker, get a "I heart O'reiley" tattoo on my left ass cheek, and stop a gay marriage by driving an F250 through the front door with the guitar solo from Freebird playing in the background.

Um, whats wrong with a ford F250? I planned on getting an F150 as my first vehicle, and what? I cant like southern rock now either? What's next, you're going to tell me I cant like guns as a flaming liberal either?

[Sean Rizzo]

or the fact they do not have much of a spine, and refuse to make much use of a super majority.
That's pretty much what I meant by not being liberal enough.

[jwicklun]

gee whiz! There were racists in the democratic party? Impeach Obama!!!

[takenflight]

Um, whats wrong with a ford F250? I planned on getting an F150 as my first vehicle, and what? I cant like southern rock now either? What's next, you're going to tell me I cant like guns as a flaming liberal either?

it could be that you are a liberal & they are a commie! lol

sheesh, there is a difference afterall,lol

[Sean Rizzo]

I can call out Conservatives and still believe in certain aspects of christianity
For the record, last I checked, Christianity isn't a tenet of conservatism at all, nor is atheism one of liberalism.

[Manicapathy]

Really, thats so cool! (sarcasm)

I'm a moderate, not a republican. Yes, I can call out both liberals & conservatives

I can call out liberals and still be pro-gay rights

I can call out Conservatives and still believe in certain aspects of christianity

Yes it is possible...if you only open your mind a little...but it appears that rather, you have a little mind

I'm not the one calling rather widespread and well known facts "secret". It makes you look like a moron.

[jwicklun]

I think saysmydoctor and beerforbear are going to enjoy this thread.

[takenflight]

No, I'd say you are the moron in not seeing that the post was intended to get under your skin,lol

[jwicklun]

http://www.nbra.info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Dr._Martin _Luther_King__Jr._Was_A_Republican

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[fightinirish217]

You've convinced me. The democratic party is the devil. Imma go buy my Palin 2012 bumper sticker, get a "I heart O'reiley" tattoo on my left ass cheek, and stop a gay marriage by driving an F250 through the front door with the guitar solo from Freebird playing in the background.

For the record, that would be quite epic. Just sayin.

[Sean Rizzo]

I'm not the one calling rather widespread and well known facts "secret". It makes you look like a moron.
When did he call them secret?

[J.C.]

Southern Democrats were not the liberals you associate with the Democratic party of the present.

I know, this thread doesn't warrant serious response.

[Manicapathy]

No, I'd say you are the moron in not seeing that the post was intended to get under your skin,lol

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0904/successful-troll-troll-demotivational-poster-1241151870.jpg

[Smeee]

Oh lol.

[Manicapathy]

When did he call them secret?

Thought it read "secret history" in the title.....oops.

[open mind]

When did he call them secret?

by calling them "interesting findings" he's certainly suggesting that this stuff isn't common knowledge.

[Sean Rizzo]

by calling them "interesting findings" he's certainly suggesting that this stuff isn't common knowledge.
Are you implying common knowledge isn't interesting? You must have been very bored in grade school.

[open mind]

Are you implying common knowledge isn't interesting? You must have been very bored in grade school.

.......

[takenflight]

Southern Democrats were not the liberals you associate with the Democratic party of the present.

I know, this thread doesn't warrant serious response.



I know they aren't.

However, I was called a racist on this forum because I do not support Obama or mass immigration and do not oppose Arizona's hard line stance on immigration.

I despise the Democratic party, its past and present.

I just wanted to remind people who think this party can do no wrong & has always been "for the minorities" that that is very far from the truth.

I also like fucking with them as they like to fuck with me.

[Sean Rizzo]

.......
Also, I fail to see the correlation between "interesting" and "secret".

[jwicklun]

I know they aren't.

However, I was called a racist on this forum because I do not support Obama or mass immigration and do not oppose Arizona's hard line stance on immigration.

I despise the Democratic party, its past and present.

I just wanted to remind people who think this party can do no wrong & has always been "for the minorities" that that is very far from the truth.

I also like fucking with them as they like to fuck with me.

like republicans are now.

[takenflight]

Are you implying common knowledge isn't interesting? You must have been very bored in grade school.

LOL

EPIC WIN!

[zion the lion]

it could be that you are a liberal & they are a commie! lol

sheesh, there is a difference afterall,lol

I've just been raised knowing that as a red blooded american I deserve my F-150 with my gunrack and a bumper sticker that says alaskan girls kick ass and a little bit of lynyrd skynyrd and theres nothing wrong with that.

I think saysmydoctor and beerforbear are going to enjoy this thread.

You're really far up their asses huh?

[Love As Arson]

Shocking news: The founding fathers were racists, too.

[<*)))><]

I knew it Obama is actually Jesus.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Yes, it's true that at the time of the Civil War, blacks favored Republicans because of its efforts towards abolition. Southern Democrats at the time favored states' rights for legal slavery. Even in the early days of the KKK, members were overwhelmingly Democrat. It wasn't until the administrations of Kennedy and Johnson that pushed for civil rights. Ideologies remain the same but the Democratic Party is just a name. The contemporary Democratic Party favors providing more services and legislation in support of minorities. President Obama obtained 95% of the black vote. I don't think the "racist history of the Democratic Party" will automatically make blacks more independent or conservative.

[caveBEAR]

Holy shit! Things in the 60's were different than things now?!

[zion the lion]

Isnt there supposed to be a mod who closes threads like this...where is he. is he offline or something? is he taking a break?

Do we have the power to just vote to close the thread then when he's gone? Can this be something that we decide to do now because he is gone? Where the fuck is he, because this thread is pointless.

[Sloth7]

You've convinced me. The democratic party is the devil. Imma go buy my Palin 2012 bumper sticker, get a "I heart O'reiley" tattoo on my left ass cheek, and stop a gay marriage by driving an F250 through the front door with the guitar solo from Freebird playing in the background.


That guitar solo in Freebird is pretty long, you actually might have time to drive through and bust up two gay marriages.

[caveBEAR]

LOL

EPIC WIN!

That was an epic win? You need to check out this internet thing a little more...

[Manicapathy]

That guitar solo in Freebird is pretty long, you actually might have time to drive through and bust up two gay marriages.

http://blog.olilolo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mwigyeyjifi6qf9ywojxdpqpo1_400.png

[Machu505]

Hmm. They don't mention how far-left Martin Luther King, Jr. was? I don't think many Republicans would appreciate quotes like:

“Don’t let anyone make you think God chose America as His divine messianic force; to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. I can hear God saying to America, ‘You are too arrogant, and if you don’t change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power and I will place it in the hands of a nation that doesn’t even know my name.’”

“I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as an American to the leaders of my own nation: the great initiative in this war is ours; the initiative to stop it must be ours.”

“A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.”

Because those are just a bit too commie for me.

[Machu505]

And like Love As Arson mentioned, the founding fathers were terrible racists.

[Manicapathy]

And like Love As Arson mentioned, the founding fathers were terrible racists.

I dunno what you're talking about. T. Jefferson was totally down with the swirl.


EDIT: Sarcastic remak meant for humor is sarcastic and meant for humor

[jwicklun]

I dunno what you're talking about. T. Jefferson was totally down with the swirl.

that boy had jungle fever.

[gabegr]

remember how republicans and democrats used to stand for almost completely opposite things. there'sno way lincoln would be republican today. and guess which party hates latinos.

[caveBEAR]

Fuck it guys, we just need to leave all this Republican/Democrat stuff behind us.

May I recommend; http://www.americanmoderateparty.org/

[Love As Arson]

I dunno what you're talking about. T. Jefferson was totally down with the swirl.
You can be racist and have sex with people of different races.

[Manicapathy]

You can be racist and have sex with people of different races.

....probably shoulda put some "lol funny joke" in there somewhere for the sake of clarification. But yea, I'm aware of that fact.

[caveBEAR]

You can be racist and have sex with people of different races.

Exactly. I may be homophobic, but that's never stopped me from banging dudes.

[GeeBee]

I dunno what you're talking about. T. Jefferson was totally down with the swirl.

Yeah, white dudes who do the chicks they OWN certainly can't be racist...

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Exactly. I may be homophobic, but that's never stopped me from banging dudes.

Didn't stop Larry Craig.


(sorry... easy target)

[caveBEAR]

Yeah, white dudes who do the chicks they OWN certainly can't be racist...

:lol:

[David87]

It's always funny when a youngin finds out that the Republicans used to be the Democrats and the Democrats used to be the Republicans

[GeeBee]

As Bill Maher is prone to saying:
"Not all Republicans are racists, but racists are almost always Republican."

[xshady121]

Has it been referenced in here that Jackie Robinson was a republican (or at the very least, NOT a democrat?)

If that's not proof that democrats are evil then I don't know what is.

[GeeBee]

Has it been referenced in here that Jackie Robinson was a republican (or at the very least, NOT a democrat?)

If that's not proof that democrats are evil then I don't know what is.
Baseball players are notoriously stupid, that's all. ;-)

[jwicklun]

Has it been referenced in here that Jackie Robinson was a republican (or at the very least, NOT a democrat?)

If that's not proof that democrats are evil then I don't know what is.

Tracy Jordan is one too.
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[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Has it been referenced in here that Jackie Robinson was a republican (or at the very least, NOT a democrat?)

If that's not proof that democrats are evil then I don't know what is.

Wait a minute... I remember a few months back the RNC launched gop.com and they featured Jackie Robinson on the front page but I later learned he despised the Republican Party. Is this true?

[GuitarR0cker1]

MLK was a democratic socialist...

[open mind]

Wait a minute... I remember a few months back the RNC launched gop.com and they featured Jackie Robinson on the front page but I later learned he despised the Republican Party. Is this true?
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-national-committee/new-rnc-website-claims-jackie-robinson-as-gop-hero-but-he-was-an-indy-condemned-gops-racial-tactics/

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-national-committee/new-rnc-website-claims-jackie-robinson-as-gop-hero-but-he-was-an-indy-condemned-gops-racial-tactics/

Thank you.

[jmo182]

You've convinced me. The democratic party is the devil. Imma go buy my Palin 2012 bumper sticker, get a "I heart O'reiley" tattoo on my left ass cheek, and stop a gay marriage by driving an F250 through the front door with the guitar solo from Freebird playing in the background.

win

[saysmydoctor]

I'm not shocked, but to many posters here the democrats can do no wrong...Oh hail the messiah, lord Obama...u catch my drift?
No. I don't. I'm pretty sure every person on this forum could list 20 issues they find with Obama and the Democrats at large.
I think saysmydoctor and beerforbear are going to enjoy this thread.
No.
Shocking news: The founding fathers were racists, too.
NO?!

[Lueda Alia]

You've convinced me. The democratic party is the devil. Imma go buy my Palin 2012 bumper sticker, get a "I heart O'reiley" tattoo on my left ass cheek, and stop a gay marriage by driving an F250 through the front door with the guitar solo from Freebird playing in the background.
A+

I approve.

[saysmydoctor]

I think the lack of mention of "Drill, baby, drill!" makes that simply a B+. Same without including "hockey mom" talk.

[caveBEAR]

I'm not shocked, but to many posters here the democrats can do no wrong...Oh hail the messiah, lord Obama...u catch my drift?

Ha ha ha, how'd I miss this shit?

You're off to a great start, most of your posts so far had the cognitive skills of a 9 year old.



I find it ironic that most people who say 'leftists' hail the Lord Obama (by the by, leftists don't. About the most we give him is 'well, it could have been McCain') also back Palin. Holy fuck, how can these people say 'leftists' blindly follow Obama when the listen to the silly accented bullshit falling out of her mouth?

[caveBEAR]

I think the lack of mention of "Drill, baby, drill!" makes that simply a B+. Same without including "hockey mom" talk.

:lol:

[Scrandon]

We really didn't know that party lines have shifted over the last century. Come on now chief.

I'm going to go ahead and mentally file you under that category of 'people who say stupid shit and who don't matter', for future reference.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I know they aren't.

However, I was called a racist on this forum because I do not support Obama or mass immigration and do not oppose Arizona's hard line stance on immigration.

I despise the Democratic party, its past and present.

I just wanted to remind people who think this party can do no wrong & has always been "for the minorities" that that is very far from the truth.

I also like fucking with them as they like to fuck with me.

Let's just get a few things straight. For one, you felt offended for being called a racist on this board for opposing the policies of a half black/half white president. So obviously, you have an agenda where you want to call out all liberal Democrats on the politics forum. For one, as a liberal myself, I wouldn't call you a racist for simply opposing our president's policies/ideologies. You are certainly entitled to your opinions. So I apologize for the "shakedown" you had to experience. You obviously have a set of views that cannot be defined as Republican or Democrat. But you are trying to compare apples to oranges. The Democratic Party of the past does not represent the Democratic Party of the present. I am a registered Democratic but is open for criticism of the party itself. You come off as trying to seek validation that the two party system is flawed. You are correct but you are using this forum for incorrectly distorting history.

[Machu505]

In addition, claims that Dr Martin Luther King, Jr was a Republican are dubious. While it's true that his niece claims that the GOP was his political affiliation, his son differs and says that Dr King was affiliated with no party. I'm more inclined to believe his son.

[CobraLucha]

Ya'll dumb fucks never heard of SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS. It's like a different party...

[Scrandon]

In addition, claims that Dr Martin Luther King, Jr was a Republican are dubious. While it's true that his niece claims that the GOP was his political affiliation, his son differs and says that Dr King was affiliated with no party. I'm more inclined to believe his son.
Why? Because you want to?
Ya'll dumb fucks never heard of SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS. It's like a different party...
No, not "y'all", just the guy who made the thread.

P.s. learn how to spell y'all.

[inthemidst]

Maybe for not being liberal enough.

And bazinga!

[inthemidst]

Let's just get a few things straight. For one, you felt offended for being called a racist on this board for opposing the policies of a half black/half white president. So obviously, you have an agenda where you want to call out all liberal Democrats on the politics forum. For one, as a liberal myself, I wouldn't call you a racist for simply opposing our president's policies/ideologies. You are certainly entitled to your opinions. So I apologize for the "shakedown" you had to experience. You obviously have a set of views that cannot be defined as Republican or Democrat. But you are trying to compare apples to oranges. The Democratic Party of the past does not represent the Democratic Party of the present. I am a registered Democratic but is open for criticism of the party itself. You come off as trying to seek validation that the two party system is flawed. You are correct but you are using this forum for incorrectly distorting history.

Exactly how I see it. However, I'm a registered Independent, not Democrat, but I definitely agree with you though.

[deFobbed14yrs]

parties change thier ideollgoeis over time ,ya do know that. It's ever changing..........

[Theseventhson]

ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A REPUBLICAN GUYZZ

x

[sjb2k1]

this thread hurts my brain.

[Machu505]

Why? Because you want to?

I'll take the word of the closer relative anyday.

[loveisdead]

Isnt there supposed to be a mod who closes threads like this...where is he. is he offline or something? is he taking a break?

Do we have the power to just vote to close the thread then when he's gone? Can this be something that we decide to do now because he is gone? Where the fuck is he, because this thread is pointless.
I was here. I don't see why the thread should be closed.

[caveBEAR]

I was here. I don't see why the thread should be closed.

zion calling a thread pointless? Kettle's calling the pot a deep, deep hue of onyx there.

[loveisdead]

zion calling a thread pointless? Kettle's calling the pot a deep, deep hue of onyx there.

:lol: I think it's funny that eda was also here and didn't close it. Fucking Zion.

[caveBEAR]

I'll take the word of the closer relative anyday.

Did his niece (to your knowledge) live with him or have any reason to know more about MLK than his son?

[samsara]

oh cool

[x togepi x]

No, moron. Martin Luther King SENIOR was a republican, and then when RFK called Coretta Scott-King when King was in jail, MLK Sr. decided to rally votes for the Democrats, which in turn, swung the election for JFK. In fact, Jackie Robinson was quite critical of King for not supporting the Republicans outright, and while the Kennedy campaign desperately wanted Robinson's vote, most of the powerful African American celebrity activists, people like Mahalia Jackson and Harry Belafonte, were supporting the Democrats. These were the same people King was working with.

The Republicans at the time barely wanted anything to do with King. Both parties were (and in many ways still are) racist. That's why King never identified with either of them. His politics involved voting for whomever was going to do the most good in the fight against segregation regardless of party. That just happened to be Democrats because the party had largely abandoned the idiotic States Right's premise.

i know i wrote too much in a troll thread.

[Machu505]

Did his niece (to your knowledge) live with him or have any reason to know more about MLK than his son?
No clue. But when talking about my own dad, I'd trust my brother more than my cousin.

[caveBEAR]

No clue. But when talking about my own dad, I'd trust my brother more than my cousin.

Indeed, I feel the same way, but the way Scrandon came in here acting like this wouldn't be the obvious answer, I thought maybe there was more to the story.

[x togepi x]

guys. i don't post here very much but i realize that anytime Scrandon says anything he's wrong.

[caveBEAR]

guys. i don't post here very much but i realize that anytime Scrandon says anything he's wrong.

Actually, Scrandon has contributed some pretty good points and views as of late. He definitely seems much better than the wave of troll-newbies that have been popping up left and right.

[x togepi x]

Actually, Scrandon has contributed some pretty good points and views as of late. He definitely seems much better than the wave of troll-newbies that have been popping up left and right.


that's weird. hmm.

[CobraLucha]

Why? Because you want to?

No, not "y'all", just the guy who made the thread.

P.s. learn how to spell y'all.

Haha, y'all. I'm an idiot...

[zion the lion]

I was here. I don't see why the thread should be closed.

Yeah okie dokie dude
:lol: I think it's funny that eda was also here and didn't close it. Fucking Zion.

have you ever noticed how overused that little icon thing is? I mean really, is it kicking on the floor funny that a troll made a pointless thread about something that we all knew about and now its just going to be another chat thread? Hmm.

p.s. buddy, I have a name and its not zion...but thanks for capitalizing my old name.

[GeeBee]

Yeah okie dokie dude


have you ever noticed how overused that little icon thing is? I mean really, is it kicking on the floor funny that a troll made a pointless thread about something that we all knew about and now its just going to be another chat thread? Hmm.

p.s. buddy, I have a name and its not zion...but thanks for capitalizing my old name.

Pipe down, Doreen.

[loveisdead]

Yeah okie dokie dude


have you ever noticed how overused that little icon thing is? I mean really, is it kicking on the floor funny that a troll made a pointless thread about something that we all knew about and now its just going to be another chat thread? Hmm.

p.s. buddy, I have a name and its not zion...but thanks for capitalizing my old name.

I was posting from my iPhone. It automatically capitalizes that word.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

http://www.nbra.info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Dr._Martin _Luther_King__Jr._Was_A_Republican

Lol. You do realize that most of the democrat party were southerners and republicans were from the north?

[caveBEAR]

have you ever noticed how overused that little icon thing is? I mean really, is it kicking on the floor funny that a troll made a pointless thread about something that we all knew about and now its just going to be another chat thread? Hmm.

Us turning a stupid thread into a chat thread > you derailing a legitimate thread.

[loveisdead]

I don't think a lot of people realize how the parties more or less switched a century ago.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

For years, I've been hoping for a revival of the Whig Party just to spice things up.

[caveBEAR]

I don't think a lot of people realize how the parties more or less switched a century ago.

You...you mean...words can mean different things? Republican from the 1950's can mean something different than Republican in 2010? Next you'll tell me there's beef in my hamburger.

[loveisdead]

You...you mean...words can mean different things? Republican from the 1950's can mean something different than Republican in 2010? Next you'll tell me there's beef in my hamburger.

This is something I learned in multiple college classes. though I don't think it was really mentioned in high school.

[caveBEAR]

This is something I learned in multiple college classes. though I don't think it was really mentioned in high school.

High school history is a joke. Ask a high school graduate who fought who about what in World War I. The quizzical look and stupid silence is embarrassing.

[GeeBee]

High school history is a joke. Ask a high school graduate who fought who about what in World War I. The quizzical look and stupid silence is embarrassing.

I didn't even know there was a I. I thought we started on II.

[caveBEAR]

I didn't even know there was a I. I thought we started on II.

Honestly, World War Z was my favorite of all the wars. I mean, we fought fucking zombies. How cool is that?


This is from World War II, right?
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4859nQxiC1qzpwi0o1_400.jpg

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I'm still awaiting a reply from Taken Flight

[jwicklun]

I'm still awaiting a reply from Taken Flight

it's just a troll. these threads come and go.

[CoreyHeat]

lol @ that site being held as a credible source.

[caveBEAR]

:lol:

This is from the site's FAQs;
As author Michael Scheuer stated, the Democratic Party is the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.

Seems to me like having everyone (of all races) on the same even footing would probably piss off white people more than black people...but, hey, what do I know? I still don't cower in fear when I hear that 4th 's' word.

[Machu505]

I did my best to read that whole FAQ. It was a doozy. I'm guessing that this site's authors do not believe that people can change, seeing as they mention Senator Robert Byrd many a times as an example of the typical racist Democrat. Funny they only talk of Strom Thurmond with praise.

[zion the lion]

Pipe down, Doreen.

Oh, and who is doreen?

I was posting from my iPhone. It automatically capitalizes that word.

It's a name. And you're posting from your iphone

Us turning a stupid thread into a chat thread > you derailing a legitimate thread.

By the time I come in you guys have already turned it into a chat thread. And usually there's more people than just me derailing any thread, there are people like sean, you, or samsara helping that derailment.

[saysmydoctor]

I am pretty sure I have a record for necroin' topics from the dead with a new link sharing a different take or a new study or just a new tidbit or just a random thought (read as: read half of my posts in General Politics Thread/Midterm Thread--those aren't really dead topics, it's pretty irrelevant). I'm pretty sure the majority of my last 15,000 posts have been doing that. I'm pretty sure--no, I'm positive, you should stop throwing stones in glasshouses.

[zion the lion]

I am pretty sure I have a record for necroin' topics from the dead with a new link sharing a different take or a new study or just a new tidbit or just a random thought (read as: read half of my posts in General Politics Thread/Midterm Thread--those aren't really dead topics, it's pretty irrelevant). I'm pretty sure the majority of my last 15,000 posts have been doing that. I'm pretty sure--no, I'm positive, you should stop throwing stones in glasshouses.

And a good fraction of your past 15,000 posts have been ones talking shit and picking little fights with me, and thats what I'm talking about, not you bringing threads back to life like some sort of god, I dont give a shit about how christlike you think you are.

Anyways seansy I gotta go take care of my mom she just got out of the hospital...you dont give a shit anyway but I'm busy, good night and have fun.

[samsara]

:hitself: Someone is full of their selves.

[saysmydoctor]

I didn't make the God comparison, you did. I didn't even mention god. Jesus Christ, where did you even get God?

[yves.]

i just want to pop in to say that this thread is beautiful.

[loveisdead]

:hitself: Someone is full of their selves.

I'm just glad you're up. It's 5am and I'm goin strong.

[GeeBee]

Honestly, World War Z was my favorite of all the wars. I mean, we fought fucking zombies. How cool is that?


This is from World War II, right?
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4859nQxiC1qzpwi0o1_400.jpg
New band name:
Hitler Striped Pajamas.

[Steiny29]

really?

we were blasted in many threads for being anti-Obama

I was called a racist even though I never made any racist remarks...I was called racist soley for the fact that I disagreed with the policies of Barack Obama...I was told "just admit that you don't like people of color"

This is funny since I am an avid supporter of Alan Keyes who is 100 % black,lol..unlike Obama who is only partially black

I remember during the election I saw this one thing where a reporter went around asking people who they supported. For the people who answered Obama there were follow-up questions about whether they agreed with his policies and of course they all did, but all of the policies they stated were McCain's. I would like to have seen the results of that election based solely on educated voters and see if Obama still would have won.

I also get the same thing when i say I hate Obama just because, sadly, I'm one of the few among my friends who won't just look skin deep (pun intended).

[loveisdead]

I remember during the election I saw this one thing where a reporter went around asking people who they supported. For the people who answered Obama there were follow-up questions about whether they agreed with his policies and of course they all did, but all of the policies they stated were McCain's. I would like to have seen the results of that election based solely on educated voters and see if Obama still would have won.

I also get the same thing when i say I hate Obama just because, sadly, I'm one of the few among my friends who won't just look skin deep (pun intended).

That shit works both ways dude. Yeah, there were uneducated Obama supporters. And there were uneducated McCain supporters. Don't act like it's a one way street.

mKKKgua7wQk

[J.C.]

I would like to have seen the results of that election based solely on educated voters.

You must be one of those snobby elitist types I keep hearing about.

We can allow just the educated to vote in every election if you'd like. It won't turn out too well for Republicans though, if that's what you were hoping.

[J.C.]

Here, Steiny:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

Obama won those with a postgraduate education by almost 20 points. He also won every other education level polled, meaning that shit was an asswhooping.

[loveisdead]

Here, Steiny:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

Obama won those with a postgraduate education by almost 20 points.

Haha. Nice.

[Steiny29]

You must be one of those snobby elitist types I keep hearing about.

We can allow just the educated to vote in every election if you'd like. It won't turn out too well for Republicans though, if that's what you were hoping.

By educated I mean about the election not in general. I don't care how smart you are just make sure you know who you are voting for dick. And education level doesn't really mean anything. Someone with a PhD from MIT is just as capable of blindly voting as anyone else. I know some pretty dumb people that obsess over politics more than any smart people I know. It's all person to person and I doubt there is any legitimate statistics to back any of this up because of that, plus who would admit to voting for someone who they didn't research.

And I wouldn't be too sure. Who knows how an election in this country would wind up if people actually researched their candidates. We would probably have a government without a single Democrat or Republican just because they are too tied up in party matters instead of actually thinking for themselves or actually representing the areas like they should be.

By the way - I never said McCain would have won if only educated people would vote. I said I would like to see if Obama would still win. There really isn't a way of questioning the results without sounding like I think he would have lost.

[Steiny29]

That shit works both ways dude. Yeah, there were uneducated Obama supporters. And there were uneducated McCain supporters. Don't act like it's a one way street.

mKKKgua7wQk

Yea I don't doubt that I'm just speaking from experience and that just backed it up. Considering where I'm from, being a Republican generally means you are one because you agree with their policies. Not to say there aren't educated democrats, but they seem to be far outnumbered by people running around singing "Who let Obama out"

[loveisdead]

Yea I don't doubt that I'm just speaking from experience and that just backed it up. Considering where I'm from, being a Republican generally means you are one because you agree with their policies. Not to say there aren't educated democrats, but they seem to be far outnumbered by people running around singing "Who let Obama out"

So the republicans haven't been running around with signs painting Obama as a monkey, nazi, anti-christ, etc. I feel like you aren't paying much attention.

[x togepi x]

By educated I mean about the election not in general. I don't care how smart you are just make sure you know who you are voting for dick.

And I wouldn't be too sure. Who knows how an election in this country would wind up if people actually researched their candidates. We would probably have a government without a single Democrat or Republican just because they are too tied up in party matters instead of actually thinking for themselves or actually representing the areas like they should be.

You do realize that a lot of people vote for their candidate because "party matters" are important to them right?

I think you have a needlessly pessimistic view of the american electorate. I really doubt most people vote without doing at least some research.

[Steiny29]

So the republicans haven't been running around with signs painting Obama as a monkey, nazi, anti-christ, etc. I feel like you aren't paying much attention.

I said from personal experience. Long Island isn't a place where you see that kind of stuff. I am fully aware of that and I definitely don't agree with it, but I don't see it on a daily basis. Most of those people are just dumb and heavily influenced by the media and when they hear the word socialism they get all up in arms that he's changing "the country they know and love."

[Steiny29]

You do realize that a lot of people vote for their candidate because "party matters" are important to them right?

I think you have a needlessly pessimistic view of the american electorate. I really doubt most people vote without doing at least some research.

Voting for a party is different than voting for a candidate and parties only provide a skeleton of the candidate. Party matters can be achieved any numerous amount of way.

And I don't have a pessimistic view of the American electorate, I have a pessimistic view of the very foundation our government has become to be built on. Career politicians are political parties have destroyed our government. The fact that anytime there is a vote we expect it to go along party lines is a travesty. That means that the people and politicians do not even matter, only the parties do. And the fact that people have to work their way up the political ladder only makes it worse. To advance you need to align yourself with the existing power which takes out any real substance. Only the biggest ass-kissers make it to the top and that is something that really needs to change. I see the American electorate as a result of this and I really feel bad and truly want to become a politician to change this, but I would never get anywhere because of the nature of the system.

There is a reason George Washington warned us of the dangers of the political party.

[J.C.]

By educated I mean about the election not in general. I don't care how smart you are just make sure you know who you are voting for dick.

Oh, you were just pulling something out of your ass based solely on a Howard Stern show segment and applying it to the electorate at large. My mistake.

Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 out of the last 5 general elections, routinely getting upwards of 90% of the black vote in the process, regardless of nominee. To believe that Obama winning the black vote(who make up 13% of the electorate) by 5 percentage points more than Al Gore did could reverse a 10 million vote gap in the popular margin is comical if you spent two seconds looking at the numbers. You could hand McCain an additional 8 million votes(which is half of all the black votes cast in the election) for no reason at all and the popular vote margin would still be roughly as wide as it had been in any of the preceeding three elections.

[Steiny29]

Oh, you were just pulling something out of your ass based solely on a Howard Stern show segment and applying it to the electorate at large. My mistake.

Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 out of the last 5 general elections, routinely getting upwards of 90% of the black vote in the process, regardless of nominee. To believe that Obama winning the black vote(who make up 13% of the electorate) by 5 percentage points more than Al Gore did could reverse a 10 million vote gap in the popular margin is comical if you spent two minutes looking at the numbers. You could hand McCain an additional 8 million votes(which is half of all the black votes cast in the election) for no reason at all and the popular vote margin would still be roughly as wide as it had been in any of the preceeding three elections.

Yes party line voting I love it!!!

Once again I never said Obama would lose, or provide any method for how the blacks would swing the election. It is much more than blacks who have a blind devotion to him and I am insulted you implied that is what I said. And you're acting as if McCain had a single vote advantage it would matter. Need i remind you it is the electoral college that decides the next president, not the American public.

[Manicapathy]

Yes party line voting I love it!!!

Once again I never said Obama would lose, or provide any method for how the blacks would swing the election. It is much more than blacks who have a blind devotion to him and I am insulted you implied that is what I said. And you're acting as if McCain had a single vote advantage it would matter. Need i remind you it is the electoral college that decides the next president, not the American public.

This fact still seems beyond fucked in my opinion.

[David87]

Yes party line voting I love it!!!

Once again I never said Obama would lose, or provide any method for how the blacks would swing the election. It is much more than blacks who have a blind devotion to him and I am insulted you implied that is what I said. And you're acting as if McCain had a single vote advantage it would matter. Need i remind you it is the electoral college that decides the next president, not the American public.


Sooooooooo you're saying some black people voted for Obama just because he was black and forgetting all the incredibly racist people out there who probably didn't vote for Obama because he was black?


Trust me....it evened out.

[J.C.]

Yes party line voting I love it!!!

Party line voting doesn't speak to a voter's informedness or lack thereof. That wasn't even the initial point you attempted to make though. You made some skin deep pun and cited that Howard Stern segment, giving the clear implication you felt the basis of Obama's support was a result of race. Don't pull that "I'm offended" bullshit, it was precisely the point you were after.

Once again I never said Obama would lose

Not only did you insinuate it, you insinuated it on the basis of a Howard Stern show clip you saw where they interviewed a handful of people in Harlem. That was the extent of information you brought to the table in putting forth the judgment that McCain could have won an election where he lost by 10 million popular votes and close to 200 electoral ones.

or provide any method for how the blacks would swing the election.

Of course not. You haven't provided anything, most notably evidence to substantiate your claims.

And you're acting as if McCain had a single vote advantage it would matter.

The likelihood you'd be in here questioning the intellect and informedness of the electorate if McCain had won is less than zero.

[loveisdead]

:appl:

[Steiny29]

Party line voting doesn't speak to a voter's informedness or lack thereof. That wasn't even the initial point you attempted to make though. You made some skin deep pun and cited that Howard Stern segment, giving the clear implication you felt the basis of Obama's support was a result of race. Don't pull that "I'm offended" bullshit, it was precisely the point you were after.



Not only did you insinuate it, you insinuated it on the basis of a Howard Stern show clip you saw where they interviewed a handful of people in Harlem. That was the extent of information you brought to the table in putting forth the judgment that McCain could have won an election where he lost by 10 million popular votes and close to 200 electoral ones.



Of course not. You haven't provided anything, most notably evidence to substantiate your claims.



The likelihood you'd be in here questioning the intellect and informedness of the electorate if McCain had won is less than zero.


I never said it was my initial point but, personally, I cannot stand party line voting. Yes because 98% of my friends were all Obama supporters with only a couple of them being black. And yes I do believe it had something to do with race, but not in the way you mean it. I was at a college campus at the time and most people, black or white, were ecstatic about having a black president and voted for him solely for that purpose. I never questioned the intellect of the public, and don't bother quoting the educated part again because intellect has nothing to do with following political matters or even being a politician if you believe any of the quotes about Bush.

And the only claim I made was that there was uneducated voters. I never said Obama would lose and I doubt he would have considering how well he can speak to the masses I just would like to see the numbers.

If you read one of my responses to someone else you would see all of this stems from hate of our political structure in general and not of one man. Even if McCain won, I would still hate our political system and the lack of quality informed decisions to pick our president.

Make all the sweeping generalizations you want about my views from these few small posts online. If you ACTUALLY READ you will see that its from PERSONAL experience. This discounts, newspapers, tv, online and whatever media you want.

[J.C.]

Make all the sweeping generalizations you want

I'm afraid you've made enough sweeping generalizations for the both of us:

I was at a college campus at the time and most people, black or white, were ecstatic about having a black president and voted for him solely for that purpose.

Solely? Am I to assume that if I perused the parking lot of your college's campus, I would find plenty of vehicles adorned with bumperstickers from the Keyes campaign of 2000?

If the mere idea of a black President was enough to propel a candidate even half as far as Obama got, we would have seen breakthroughs well before 2008.

[Steiny29]

I'm afraid you've made enough sweeping generalizations for the both of us:



Solely? Am I to assume that if I perused the parking lot of your college's campus, I would find plenty of vehicles adorned with bumperstickers from the Keyes campaign of 2000?

If the mere idea of a black President was enough to propel a candidate even half as far as Obama got, we would have seen breakthroughs well before 2008.

Thats right because the society we have today was the same one we had 4 years ago, 8 years ago, or a hundred years ago

[loveisdead]

Thats right because the society we have today was the same one we had 4 years ago, 8 years ago, or a hundred years ago

Just give up.

[x togepi x]

Voting for a party is different than voting for a candidate and parties only provide a skeleton of the candidate. Party matters can be achieved any numerous amount of way.

Of course, but there are people people who vote for the Democrats or Republicans largely because they believe that party members are conducting so-called party matters in a good way. for example, just look at all the debate within the Democratic Party in 2004/2006 about the viability of the 50 state plan. Elected officials were defeated in primaries partially because of their stance on this issue, even though it's basically a matter of party procedure instead of policy.


And I don't have a pessimistic view of the American electorate, I have a pessimistic view of the very foundation our government has become to be built on. Career politicians are political parties have destroyed our government.

What is the alternative?

I can't think of a democratic system in the world today that lacks political parties. I think corporate interests have done a lot more to destroy the government than career politicians, but the problems you're talking about are inherent in American-style democracy. Get rid of it for a parliamentary system and we'll talk.

The fact that anytime there is a vote we expect it to go along party lines is a travesty. That means that the people and politicians do not even matter, only the parties do. And the fact that people have to work their way up the political ladder only makes it worse. To advance you need to align yourself with the existing power which takes out any real substance. Only the biggest ass-kissers make it to the top and that is something that really needs to change. I see the American electorate as a result of this and I really feel bad and truly want to become a politician to change this, but I would never get anywhere because of the nature of the system.

This happens in basically any political system though. I'm not sure why you think it's unique for political parties. I'm just saying you seem rather pessimistic when you're saying people don't vote for policies, they vote for people. People largely do both, this is why you can see people from both sides criticizing their leaders for not advocating specific policies.

There is a reason George Washington warned us of the dangers of the political party.

Who cares? Washington's analysis of politics is largely obsolete, plus the Constitution's first amendment almost necessitates political parties.

[x togepi x]

and if you think Obama got elected because of his race and not in spite of it, you really need to learn about white privilege.

[saysmydoctor]

Can't believe I missed this.

You must be one of those snobby elitist types I keep hearing about.

We can allow just the educated to vote in every election if you'd like. It won't turn out too well for Republicans though, if that's what you were hoping.

Here, Steiny:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html

Obama won those with a postgraduate education by almost 20 points. He also won every other education level polled, meaning that shit was an asswhooping.
:lol:
Of course, but there are people people who vote for the Democrats or Republicans largely because they believe that party members are conducting so-called party matters in a good way. for example, just look at all the debate within the Democratic Party in 2004/2006 about the viability of the 50 state plan. Elected officials were defeated in primaries partially because of their stance on this issue, even though it's basically a matter of party procedure instead of policy.

I can't think of a democratic system in the world today that lacks political parties. I think corporate interests have done a lot more to destroy the government than career politicians, but the problems you're talking about are inherent in American-style democracy. Get rid of it for a parliamentary system and we'll talk.

Who cares? Washington's analysis of politics is largely obsolete, plus the Constitution's first amendment almost necessitates political parties.
:appl: :appl:

Excellently put concerning that first point in particular.

[zion the lion]

I didn't make the God comparison, you did. I didn't even mention god. Jesus Christ, where did you even get God?

Bringing threads back from the dead. I saw a connection...maybe it was just something personal I guess.

[saysmydoctor]

Goddamn, I should have done that so long ago.

[zion the lion]

compare yourself to god?

[Love As Arson]

People act like the elections are decided by the voters.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, who are running for president as economic populists, are benefiting handsomely from Wall Street donations, easily surpassing Republican John McCain in campaign contributions from the troubled financial services sector.

It is part of a broader fundraising shift toward Democrats, compared to past campaigns when Republicans were the favorites of Wall Street.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/21/nation/na-wallstdems21

[matt_bergeron]

fuck the party system.

[caveBEAR]

Yes party line voting I love it!!!

Once again I never said Obama would lose, or provide any method for how the blacks would swing the election. It is much more than blacks who have a blind devotion to him and I am insulted you implied that is what I said. And you're acting as if McCain had a single vote advantage it would matter. Need i remind you it is the electoral college that decides the next president, not the American public.

Classy.

[takenflight]

I never said it was my initial point but, personally, I cannot stand party line voting. Yes because 98% of my friends were all Obama supporters with only a couple of them being black. And yes I do believe it had something to do with race, but not in the way you mean it. I was at a college campus at the time and most people, black or white, were ecstatic about having a black president and voted for him solely for that purpose. I never questioned the intellect of the public, and don't bother quoting the educated part again because intellect has nothing to do with following political matters or even being a politician if you believe any of the quotes about Bush.

And the only claim I made was that there was uneducated voters. I never said Obama would lose and I doubt he would have considering how well he can speak to the masses I just would like to see the numbers.

If you read one of my responses to someone else you would see all of this stems from hate of our political structure in general and not of one man. Even if McCain won, I would still hate our political system and the lack of quality informed decisions to pick our president.

Make all the sweeping generalizations you want about my views from these few small posts online. If you ACTUALLY READ you will see that its from PERSONAL experience. This discounts, newspapers, tv, online and whatever media you want.

Don't sweat it, most of these people have selective reading,lol

[takenflight]

Let's just get a few things straight. For one, you felt offended for being called a racist on this board for opposing the policies of a half black/half white president. So obviously, you have an agenda where you want to call out all liberal Democrats on the politics forum. For one, as a liberal myself, I wouldn't call you a racist for simply opposing our president's policies/ideologies. You are certainly entitled to your opinions. So I apologize for the "shakedown" you had to experience. You obviously have a set of views that cannot be defined as Republican or Democrat. But you are trying to compare apples to oranges. The Democratic Party of the past does not represent the Democratic Party of the present. I am a registered Democratic but is open for criticism of the party itself. You come off as trying to seek validation that the two party system is flawed. You are correct but you are using this forum for incorrectly distorting history.

Thanks for finally acknowledging my point and finally understanding that I just don't like what he stands for and don't think that his course of action is going to lead to a more prosperous economy. His desires to tax corportae American to death will only lead to job loss, outsouring & benefit cuts for those lucky enough to keep their jobs. He will need those same big corporations to invest in our economic growth and they won't have the funds to do it. Then he will have no choice but to write checks we can't cash, plunging us further into debt....

But wasn't it you that said "just admit it you don't like people of color", when I said I didn't like his policies and that I did not disagree with the Arizona immigration polciy?

Maybe you were in a bad mood?

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Thanks for finally acknowledging my point and finally understanding that I just don't like what he stands for and don't think that his course of action is going to lead to a more prosperous economy. His desires to tax corportae American to death will only lead to job loss, outsouring & benefit cuts for those lucky enough to keep their jobs. He will need those same big corporations to invest in our economic growth and they won't have the funds to do it. Then he will have no choice but to write checks we can't cash, plunging us further into debt....

But wasn't it you that said "just admit it you don't like people of color", when I said I didn't like his policies and that I did not disagree with the Arizona immigration polciy?

Maybe you were in a bad mood?

Perhaps I wanted to get to the root of the debate. Regarding the Arizona situation, opponents use "illegal immigration status" as a way to label specific people as criminals. I try not to generalize, but Canadian and white European illegal immigrants tend to get a free pass. When it comes to illegal status, it all comes down to simple paper work. If a foreigner wants to live and work in this country, the federal government should be able to provide those who want to be here the proper and efficient resources to become a legal citizen. I certainly do no mind if one day, 60 percent of American citizens are of Hispanic decent, since considering birth rates, that will happen in a few decades. Do you mind?

[x togepi x]

Thanks for finally acknowledging my point and finally understanding that I just don't like what he stands for and don't think that his course of action is going to lead to a more prosperous economy. His desires to tax corportae American to death will only lead to job loss, outsouring & benefit cuts for those lucky enough to keep their jobs. He will need those same big corporations to invest in our economic growth and they won't have the funds to do it. Then he will have no choice but to write checks we can't cash, plunging us further into debt....

But wasn't it you that said "just admit it you don't like people of color", when I said I didn't like his policies and that I did not disagree with the Arizona immigration polciy?

Maybe you were in a bad mood?

Can you show me where Obama desires to "tax corporate america to death" considering he uses the same basic economic principles as the Bush administration?

Please. I'd love to see this analysis. It'd be awesome if he was, since it should be done.

[S7ranburgLar]

That shit works both ways dude. Yeah, there were uneducated Obama supporters. And there were uneducated McCain supporters. Don't act like it's a one way street.

mKKKgua7wQk

I love how he leads the question at around 7 minutes because he knows that this guy got his information from FOX lol.

also, this thread was a joy to read.

[asslesschap182]

this thread sucks. there are racists everywhere. we all know.

[theargylepilot]

Lol, this source probably isn't all that trustworthy. I don't like your link. ;[

But yeah Democrats are almost as fucked up as Republicans at times but at least they don't jerk off to Glenn Beck everyday.


Go independent?

[Theseventhson]

Lol, this source probably isn't all that trustworthy. I don't like your link. ;[

But yeah Democrats are almost as fucked up as Republicans at times but at least they don't jerk off to Glenn Beck everyday.


Go independent?

:rolleyes: