Face Stomp

[Broken Parachute]

What kind of punishment should it get?

[dekdog11]

fine and suspension...acts like that should not be tolerated.

[make_this_hurt]

fine and suspension...acts like that should not be tolerated.
I concur.

[crit]

fine and suspension...acts like that should not be tolerated.
agreed.

[dekdog11]

haha i'm glad people agree. i mean maybe it should go farther than that and he should be arrested or w/e...but i just don't see it happening.

[leftstranded]

arested and charged with assult. he won't but i'm saying he should. and i wouldn't mind seeing him get suspended a whole year without pay. that is totally unexceptable

[crit]

haha i'm glad people agree. i mean maybe it should go farther than that and he should be arrested or w/e...but i just don't see it happening.
yeah i was just watching the halftime report with a few of my friends and one of them thinks he should be out for the year and arrested...no, sorry, i just think that's just too much. give him a big fine and suspend him a game or two. that's enough.

[Broken Parachute]

I voted arrested and charged with assault too. I know it won't happen, but it was a blatant stomp to his face. It was worse than Marcus Vick's. It was aimed to hurt him.

[walshknilb281]

i missed it what happened, and my dorms TV is a bitch, the sound for ESPN doesnt work

[LPMagic]

Fined and suspended four games.

- Jeff

[Broken Parachute]

i missed it what happened, and my dorms TV is a bitch, the sound for ESPN doesnt work
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (Oct. 1, 2006) -- Tennessee (http://www.nfl.com/teams/news/TEN) defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302201) was ejected early in the third quarter after he stomped on Dallas center Andre Gurode's (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302198) face.
Julius Jones (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492974) had just scored on a 5-yard touchdown run, putting Dallas up 20-6. Gurode's helmet came off, and Haynesworth, standing over him, used his right foot and stomped Gurode's head.
A flag was thrown, and Haynesworth followed an official toward the Titans' sideline, protesting.
Haynesworth had pulled off his helmet and slammed it to the ground, prompting another flag. Referee Jerome Boger disqualified Haynesworth, and the player walked off the field after talking briefly with Titans coach Jeff Fisher.
Gurode walked off the field with ice held to his cheek. He received 30 stitches above his left eye.

[walshknilb281]

shit, gotta see the video, i fuckin hate my college TV

[make_this_hurt]

I'm hoping for at least a year suspension.

[LeftWideOpen]

arrested? please. he plays professional football ....just because stomping is against the rules of football doesnt make it any less of an assault then tackling a guy.

what he did was disgusting, but he admitted such and he feels remorse. fine him heavily and make him sit a game. to try and prosecute the guy would be a joke.

[thejetstolehome]

fisher should cut this mother fucker--or suspend him for a damn long time.

[DaveFeelsRight]

it almost got his fucking eye for christ sake.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

In real life, he'd be arrested. But he's an NFL player, they get off easy. He should be arrested, and charged, for this.

But he'll get off with probably a 4 week suspension.

[hockey0001]

fined and suspended for the year

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

arrested? please. he plays professional football ....just because stomping is against the rules of football doesnt make it any less of an assault then tackling a guy.

what he did was disgusting, but he admitted such and he feels remorse. fine him heavily and make him sit a game. to try and prosecute the guy would be a joke.
HE STEPPED ON A MAN'S FUCKING FACE.

More so, HE WEIGHS 330 POUNDS.

I don't care what kind of remorse he feels. He stepped on a dude's head. With cleats on. The risk of injury is ridiculous.

I had my hand stepped on by a 400+ pound kid in cleats. I know the damage it does and the pain it causes. I couldn't imagine if it was my bare face.

[FondestMemory]

anything less than four games is a disgrace.

be the rest of the year if it were up to me.

[dekdog11]

his apology sounded pretty sincere but still...a fine and a suspension is necessary. at least he understands what he did and the severity of it.

[FondestMemory]

his apology sounded pretty sincere but still...a fine and a suspension is necessary. at least he understands what he did and the severity of it.

then he should accept a harsh penalty without a fuss.

[dekdog11]

then he should accept a harsh penalty without a fuss.

i think he will.

[LeftWideOpen]

HE STEPPED ON A MAN'S FUCKING FACE.

More so, HE WEIGHS 330 POUNDS.

I don't care what kind of remorse he feels. He stepped on a dude's head. With cleats on. The risk of injury is ridiculous.

I had my hand stepped on by a 400+ pound kid in cleats. I know the damage it does and the pain it causes. I couldn't imagine if it was my bare face.

its still football and any kind of arrest would be just stupid. if we held football up to society's standards of assault and battery, EVERY player would be arrested 16 times a year.

fine him heavily and make him sit a few games, but dont go and make an example out of a guy in a legal sense when there's no example to be made.

[Broken Parachute]

its still football and any kind of arrest would be just stupid. if we held football up to society's standards of assault and battery, EVERY player would be arrested 16 times a year.

fine him heavily and make him sit a few games, but dont go and make an example out of a guy in a legal sense when there's no example to be made.
Yeah, but we're talking about after the play..defenseless lineman on the ground with his helmet off, gets stomped on with a cleat near his eye that forces him to get 30 stitches. This wasn't a push and shove kinda thing, he could have caught his eye and there would have been real bad damage.

[FondestMemory]

its still football and any kind of arrest would be just stupid. if we held football up to society's standards of assault and battery, EVERY player would be arrested 16 times a year.

fine him heavily and make him sit a few games, but dont go and make an example out of a guy in a legal sense when there's no example to be made.

technically, stepping on a dude's face with spikes on is assault. more so than a tackle.

but i agree that law enforcement doesn't need to get involved. it wouldn't prove anything in this case, considering he's already remorseful and apologetic.

hockey tried it in an extreme case, and it really didn't benefit anybody.

[LeftWideOpen]

Yeah, but we're talking about after the play..defenseless lineman on the ground with his helmet off, gets stomped on with a cleat near his eye that forces him to get 30 stitches. This wasn't a push and shove kinda thing, he could have caught his eye and there would have been real bad damage.

but just because its after the play doesnt make it any worse from a legal sense. Unnecessary roughness happens all the time in the NFL and to say one certain act deserves to be punished more because it was more obvious doesnt make it any more of an assault. You got guys running around and beating the shit out of each other for 60 minutes ..you cant say someone deserves to be arrested because he got carried away after a whistle blew.

[LeftWideOpen]

technically, stepping on a dude's face with spikes on is assault. more so than a tackle.

but i agree that law enforcement doesn't need to get involved. it wouldn't prove anything in this case, considering he's already remorseful and apologetic.

hockey tried it in an extreme case, and it really didn't benefit anybody.

yeah, but what about the linebacker who rushes the QB and inflicts a leg injury w/ a late hit? The guy gets a fine and maybe a suspension and they move on. I don't see why this should be any different, especially when it was in the heat of the game. His emotions got the best of him and he fucked up ...not the 1st time its happened in football and it wont be the last.

i'm all for punishing the guy, but within the confines of football. thats all.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

but just because its after the play doesnt make it any worse from a legal sense. Unnecessary roughness happens all the time in the NFL and to say one certain act deserves to be punished more because it was more obvious doesnt make it any more of an assault. You got guys running around and beating the shit out of each other for 60 minutes ..you cant say someone deserves to be arrested because he got carried away after a whistle blew.
You must be one of the guys that said Bertuzzi didn't deserve to get charged after he damn near paralyzed Steve Moore.

[LeftWideOpen]

You must be one of the guys that said Bertuzzi didn't deserve to get charged after he damn near paralyzed Steve Moore.

yup, you are right ...i am. because organized athletics, especially games like hockey and football, breed people to be physical, ruthless, and sometimes even savage. some people get more wrapped up into it then others because of certain unconscious motives that are out of their control ..but the game is just as much to blame as the player.

and you are clearly one of those people who thinks they know it all and can dictate how they'll act under any circumstance. unfortunately it doesnt work that way ...people react differently to different situations. athletes who play physical sports are especially vulnerable to certain irrational behaviors in the heat of the game. punish the guy for breaking league rules, but thats as far as it should go unless you want to put the nature of football on trial, too.

[clace]

who voted no action, man fuck that

[Broken Parachute]

No action should be taken http://images.absolutepunk.net/images/polls/bar6-l.gifhttp://images.absolutepunk.net/images/polls/bar6.gifhttp://images.absolutepunk.net/images/polls/bar6-r.gif fromwithin (http://absolutepunk.net/member.php?u=28227)
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I should have known. What the fuck?

[FondestMemory]

yeah, but what about the linebacker who rushes the QB and inflicts a leg injury w/ a late hit? The guy gets a fine and maybe a suspension and they move on. I don't see why this should be any different, especially when it was in the heat of the game. His emotions got the best of him and he fucked up ...not the 1st time its happened in football and it wont be the last.

i'm all for punishing the guy, but within the confines of football. thats all.

i was agreeing with you.

when all is said and done, i think he'll end up with four games.

fisher may or may not tack on another one or two. probably not, since he's shown remorse and has already admitted it was wrong.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

yup, you are right ...i am. because organized athletics, especially games like hockey and football, breed people to be physical, ruthless, and sometimes even savage. some people get more wrapped up into it then others because of certain unconscious motives that are out of their control ..but the game is just as much to blame as the player.

and you are clearly one of those people who thinks they know it all and can dictate how they'll act under any circumstance. unfortunately it doesnt work that way ...people react differently to different situations. athletes who play physical sports are especially vulnerable to certain irrational behaviors in the heat of the game. punish the guy for breaking league rules, but thats as far as it should go unless you want to put the nature of football on trial, too.
I played football. I never stepped on someone's face.

I delivered and received more than a few punches in a pile recovering a fumble, as a D-lineman, was the recipient of an insane amount of throat clutches (and always returned them when I was on the O-line). I took a few shots to the groin, but never returned those. The worst thing I did was probably knee the opposing QB in the helmet as I stood up after tackling him on a scramble. THOSE are actions that are part of the game.

Hell, in the NFL, biting and spitting are even parts of being in a pile. But cleating to the face was never, and will never be, part of the game. It's illegal in the game and in life. Haynesworth loses.

[fromwithin]

no punishment at all, they need to let these pansies play the game.

[LeftWideOpen]

I played football. I never stepped on someone's face.

I delivered and received more than a few punches in a pile recovering a fumble, as a D-lineman, was the recipient of an insane amount of throat clutches (and always returned them when I was on the O-line). I took a few shots to the groin, but never returned those. The worst thing I did was probably knee the opposing QB in the helmet as I stood up after tackling him on a scramble. THOSE are actions that are part of the game.

Hell, in the NFL, biting and spitting are even parts of being in a pile. But cleating to the face was never, and will never be, part of the game. It's illegal in the game and in life. Haynesworth loses.

lol okay, my bad ...we should start prosecuting nfl players for their actions, but only if they arent part of the "code".... is that what you are saying? punches in the groin, throat clutching, biting ...just no stepping on?

i dont think the legal system gives two shits about football's "code", nor should it. everything you just mentioned is just as blatant a crime as stepping on someone. the only difference is that haynesworth did it in clear view and the guy needed stitches. the intent was the same as the other things you mentioned.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

lol okay, my bad ...we should start prosecuting nfl players for their actions, but only if they arent part of the "code".... is that what you are saying? punches in the groin, throat clutching, biting ...just no stepping on?

i dont think the legal system gives two shits about football's "code", nor should it. everything you just mentioned is just as blatant a crime as stepping on someone. the only difference is that haynesworth did it in clear view and the guy needed stitches. the intent was the same as the other things you mentioned.
What if the guy's eye got stepped on and he went blind? He'd have to retire at 28 because someone decided that, in the heat of the moment, it was a good idea to stomp his fat foot on his bare head. Would that be enough for you then?

[Scott Weber]

yup, you are right ...i am. because organized athletics, especially games like hockey and football, breed people to be physical, ruthless, and sometimes even savage. some people get more wrapped up into it then others because of certain unconscious motives that are out of their control ..but the game is just as much to blame as the player.

and you are clearly one of those people who thinks they know it all and can dictate how they'll act under any circumstance. unfortunately it doesnt work that way ...people react differently to different situations. athletes who play physical sports are especially vulnerable to certain irrational behaviors in the heat of the game. punish the guy for breaking league rules, but thats as far as it should go unless you want to put the nature of football on trial, too.
That is a really terrible argument. Stomping on a face is assault no matter where it happens if it's unprovoked and has malicious intent. just because they're playing a physical game doesn't mean it's an excuse to take cheap shots that would get your ass put in jail outside of the the NFL. NO excuse. None.

[justinevans]

In real life, he'd be arrested. But he's an NFL player, they get off easy. He should be arrested, and charged, for this.

But he'll get off with probably a 4 week suspension.

in real life you'd be arrested for hockey fights too.

[Scott Weber]

this was unprovoked. it was not in the flow of the game. it was unprotected. it was disgusting. it was ASSAULT. I hope he gets a year long ban and gets slapped with a little jail time or 100 hours of community service.

[leftstranded]

its still football and any kind of arrest would be just stupid. if we held football up to society's standards of assault and battery, EVERY player would be arrested 16 times a year.

fine him heavily and make him sit a few games, but dont go and make an example out of a guy in a legal sense when there's no example to be made.
but it still has rules. i can tackle you in real life if we're joking around and it's not assault. but if i stomp your face in with cleats than it should be. and i would expect the same to be true for the NFL. this isn't part of the game, it's a real life situation at this point, and i would hope that they at least make an example out of him. sitting him for a few games isn't going to do shit. he should sit for at least 6 if not the rest of the season.

it's unexeptable

[imirish06]

arrested? please. he plays professional football ....just because stomping is against the rules of football doesnt make it any less of an assault then tackling a guy.

what he did was disgusting, but he admitted such and he feels remorse. fine him heavily and make him sit a game. to try and prosecute the guy would be a joke.

I agree. It's not THAT bad to cause an arrest, regardless of it being against the rules.

Ever watch a rugby match? There isn't a game that goes by that a player isn't getting stomped in the face or in the legs(on purpose) during a scrum. Heck I've seen rapid fire face stomps.

[xearlynovemberx]

I hope he gets suspended for the rest of the season

[Chris Fallon]

I hope he's out for the rest of the season.

It's just like the same kind of deal that went on with Todd Bertuzzi a few years back. Same kind of action should be taken, in my eyes.

[bigmike]

In real life, he'd be arrested. But he's an NFL player, they get off easy. He should be arrested, and charged, for this.

But he'll get off with probably a 4 week suspension.
Yeah. I chose the "assault, suspension, fine" but now that i think about it, i want to change it to just suspension and a fine.

Shame, though, that he'll be suspended. If only he played for the Bengals. He'd get off with nothing then.

Ba-zing.

[Chris Fallon]

Hahaha, your Bengals comment is true, Mike. hahaha

[bigmike]

What if the guy's eye got stepped on and he went blind? He'd have to retire at 28 because someone decided that, in the heat of the moment, it was a good idea to stomp his fat foot on his bare head. Would that be enough for you then?
What about the Cleveland Browns O-Lineman getting hit in the face with a flag and cost him his NFL Career? I think it was Orlando Brown. Should the Ref be charged with assault?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

What about the Cleveland Browns O-Lineman getting hit in the face with a flag and cost him his NFL Career? I think it was Orlando Brown. Should the Ref be charged with assault?
he played for the Ravens afterwards.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3181

The only thing was, he was an LT with the Browns, but moved to RT with the Ravens because he had something like 40% vision loss in his left eye

[justinevans]

yes, he should be bertuzzi'd

[make_this_hurt]

yup, you are right ...i am. because organized athletics, especially games like hockey and football, breed people to be physical, ruthless, and sometimes even savage. some people get more wrapped up into it then others because of certain unconscious motives that are out of their control ..but the game is just as much to blame as the player.

and you are clearly one of those people who thinks they know it all and can dictate how they'll act under any circumstance. unfortunately it doesnt work that way ...people react differently to different situations. athletes who play physical sports are especially vulnerable to certain irrational behaviors in the heat of the game. punish the guy for breaking league rules, but thats as far as it should go unless you want to put the nature of football on trial, too.

But there has to be a line. Or someone is gonna kill someone else.

[make_this_hurt]

What about the Cleveland Browns O-Lineman getting hit in the face with a flag and cost him his NFL Career? I think it was Orlando Brown. Should the Ref be charged with assault?
That was an accident. Everyone admits that it was. Shoving your cleating foot into another mans face... is not an accident.

[justinevans]

yup, you are right ...i am. because organized athletics, especially games like hockey and football, breed people to be physical, ruthless, and sometimes even savage. some people get more wrapped up into it then others because of certain unconscious motives that are out of their control ..but the game is just as much to blame as the player.

and you are clearly one of those people who thinks they know it all and can dictate how they'll act under any circumstance. unfortunately it doesnt work that way ...people react differently to different situations. athletes who play physical sports are especially vulnerable to certain irrational behaviors in the heat of the game. punish the guy for breaking league rules, but thats as far as it should go unless you want to put the nature of football on trial, too.

it'd be one thing if haynesworth did it once, but he did do it twice. However, I don't think Marcus Vick was ever charged with anything.

[justinevans]

But there has to be a line. Or someone is gonna kill someone else.

Did the guy who hit Brashear with a swinging stick to the face get charged?

IDK if Haynesworth will get charged, however the player could press charges.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i just saw his 'apology', he looked like he didn't give a shit. fuck that guy.

[make_this_hurt]

Did the guy who hit Brashear with a swinging stick to the face get charged?

IDK if Haynesworth will get charged, however the player could press charges.

Yea... and if I was Gurode... I'd press charges.

i just saw his 'apology', he looked like he didn't give a shit. fuck that guy.

If the league doesn't suspend him for the season, fisher should.

[leftstranded]

If the league doesn't suspend him for the season, fisher should.
and i think fisher will. he seems pissed about the situation. in no circumstance do you ever do that

[imirish06]

http://www.andersonpartners.com/post/portfolio/rugby_sm.jpg


Stop turning american sports into pussy sports. Shit like this happens. Suspension, yes a couple of games. Fine, yes. Arrest? no

[fromwithin]

LOLOLOLOL

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ay5BE-xVd_w

[make_this_hurt]

http://www.andersonpartners.com/post/portfolio/rugby_sm.jpg


Stop turning american sports into pussy sports. Shit like this happens. Suspension, yes a couple of games. Fine, yes. Arrest? no
When guysa re 350lbs and as strong as horse, you have to regulate their activities... or people will die.

He could have killed the guy if he stomped his head hard enough... there's this thing called Attempted Murder.... and this wasn't far off.

Gotta love Titan fans booing the ejection of Haynesworth... like it was the wrong call.

[imirish06]

When guysa re 350lbs and as strong as horse, you have to regulate their activities... or people will die.

He could have killed the guy if he stomped his head hard enough... there's this thing called Attempted Murder.... and this wasn't far off.

You don't think rugby has strong/hefty guys? Many times in a scrum you have multiple forwards who are as strong as horses kicking and stomping all over you.

Regulate their activities sure, I'm not saying it shouldn't be against the rules..but having someon arrested for it is shit.

If you ever get a chance to study abroad in Ireland...go down to a park on a saturday and watch local kids (9-10) years old wail each other in the face with hurling sticks. It's illegal but it happens, a lot.

Infact when the older crowd is playing, and it happens.. the only thing the cops do is threaten to stop serving beer to the crowd.

[fromwithin]

looking at the video a few times he doesnt step down as hard as he can, it's more of a drag as evidenced by the way his head jostled. being kicked out and beat by the cowboys 45-14 was more than enough.

[Scott Weber]

http://www.andersonpartners.com/post/portfolio/rugby_sm.jpg


Stop turning american sports into pussy sports. Shit like this happens. Suspension, yes a couple of games. Fine, yes. Arrest? no
Football is not Rugby, it's not a matter of "pussy," it's a difference in the game. So, you're saying if Tiger smashed Vijay's face in with a golf club while he was putting he shouldn't be punished by the law? because they're playing a sport? that justifies it? People play Rugby KNOWING that can happen, they don't wear helmets, they don't wear pads... this is completely different, and to compare it to that is fucking ignorant as hell. There's no excuse for maliciously attacking a guy who's completely innocent and unprotected in a sport where the physical pain only should come when helmets and pads are on, during a play. I can't believe you'd compare that to Rugby.

[make_this_hurt]

looking at the video a few times he doesnt step down as hard as he can, it's more of a drag as evidenced by the way his head jostled. being kicked out and beat by the cowboys 45-14 was more than enough.
haha.

He kicked him... then stepped on yhis head... with studded cleats...

If you've ever been stepped on with cleats (and I have)... it's insanely painful.

[fromwithin]

haha.

He kicked him... then stepped on yhis head... with studded cleats...

If you've ever been stepped on with cleats (and I have)... it's insanely painful.

yes he stepped and dragged, its not like he brought his leg up and came smashing down on his head. it was more of a warning type thing, i'm sure that's why he thought nothing was wrong. sure it's painful but so is playing football.

[Scott Weber]

yes he stepped and dragged, its not like he brought his leg up and came smashing down on his head. it was more of a warning type thing, i'm sure that's why he thought nothing was wrong. sure it's painful but so is playing football.
30 stitches isn't a warning, and football requires a helmet. For him to go after him without a helmet is not a fucking warning, dude.

[fromwithin]

hahaha I like how the youtube description is:

BIG AL DOING THE MARCUS VICK STOMP.

[fromwithin]

30 stitches isn't a warning, and football requires a helmet. For him to go after him without a helmet is not a fucking warning, dude.

well let's talk about the hit on trent green, and carson palmer's knee. those were just "accidents" though but I'm sure they hurt a hell of a lot worse than getting 30 stitches and no action was taken.

[make_this_hurt]

yes he stepped and dragged, its not like he brought his leg up and came smashing down on his head. it was more of a warning type thing, i'm sure that's why he thought nothing was wrong. sure it's painful but so is playing football.
Yes, football is painful in many ways... but that's why they wear helmets... so they don't get cleats to the face that require 25 stitches...

There was intent to hurt Gurode... the first kick was the warning.. the stomp was assault.

[make_this_hurt]

well let's talk about the hit on trent green, and carson palmer's knee. those were just "accidents" though but I'm sure they hurt a hell of a lot worse than getting 30 stitches and no action was taken.
Those were part of the game... legal hits.

This was a cheap shot.

[Scott Weber]

well let's talk about the hit on trent green, and carson palmer's knee. those were just "accidents" though but I'm sure they hurt a hell of a lot worse than getting 30 stitches and no action was taken.
You're just loving the devil's advocate role, aren't you. Those are in-play, as a part of the flow of the game, of course they hurt - but when you sign up to play football, you willingly accept those risks and they're legal hits. You NEVER expect to get face stomped, helpless on the ground, without a helmet.

[make_this_hurt]

You're just loving the devil's advocate role, aren't you. Those are in-play, as a part of the flow of the game, of course they hurt - but when you sign up to play football, you willingly accept those risks and they're legal hits. You NEVER expect to get face stomped, helpless on the ground, without a helmet.
Exactly.

[preppyak]

well let's talk about the hit on trent green, and carson palmer's knee. those were just "accidents" though but I'm sure they hurt a hell of a lot worse than getting 30 stitches and no action was taken.

You're just loving the devil's advocate role, aren't you. Those are in-play, as a part of the flow of the game, of course they hurt - but when you sign up to play football, you willingly accept those risks and they're legal hits. You NEVER expect to get face stomped, helpless on the ground, without a helmet.

Those were part of the game... legal hits.

This was a cheap shot.
It's pretty much useless to argue a logical point with him, he has become Still_Life, without the stats to make nothing points.

I mean, the two parts I bolded would be the logical answers, but, he'll ignore that

[fromwithin]

You're just loving the devil's advocate role, aren't you. Those are in-play, as a part of the flow of the game, of course they hurt - but when you sign up to play football, you willingly accept those risks and they're legal hits. You NEVER expect to get face stomped, helpless on the ground, without a helmet.

Maybe I do but to say he deserves jail time and a charge of assault is ridiculous. Like I said his punishment was enough and everyone will make this out to be way more than it is, Gurode probably wont miss one game. If anything his teammates shouldve done something when they saw his face get smashed, not stand there like fat sacks.

[LeftWideOpen]

Football is not Rugby, it's not a matter of "pussy," it's a difference in the game. So, you're saying if Tiger smashed Vijay's face in with a golf club while he was putting he shouldn't be punished by the law? because they're playing a sport? that justifies it? People play Rugby KNOWING that can happen, they don't wear helmets, they don't wear pads... this is completely different, and to compare it to that is fucking ignorant as hell. There's no excuse for maliciously attacking a guy who's completely innocent and unprotected in a sport where the physical pain only should come when helmets and pads are on, during a play. I can't believe you'd compare that to Rugby.

you are calling him ignorant for comparing rugby to football, yet you use golf as an example? haha. rugby and football are both physical by nature ...thats a hell of a lot better comparison then football and golf.

Those were part of the game... legal hits.

This was a cheap shot.

i think you are missing the point, though ...or at least mine. i am not saying "dont punish him ..its just football". i wouldnt be upset if the guy got a full year suspension with no pay. my point is that taking any LEGAL action would be silly because the whole game of football would be considered assault in a legal sense. to say that just because he violated the league's rules, he deserves to be prosecuted is absurb ..i guess we should prosecute everyone who intentionally pulls a face mask too, then.

you have to look at the context of the situation. its a physical game where you are trained to basically physically dominant an opponent, albeit with some structure. while it might reject the kind of behavior haynesworth displayed, it still breeds it. the nature of the game contributed to the actual behavior ...you can't single this guy out just because what he did was in clear view.

[make_this_hurt]

Maybe I do but to say he deserves jail time and a charge of assault is ridiculous. Like I said his punishment was enough and everyone will make this out to be way more than it is, Gurode probably wont miss one game. If anything his teammates shouldve done something when they saw his face get smashed, not stand there like fat sacks.
If you watched the video, everyone was celebrating the TD... no one was looking at Gurode on the ground...

And when they realized what happened... they got pissed... but by then, the refs were all over it.

[make_this_hurt]

you are calling him ignorant for comparing rugby to football, yet you use golf as an example? haha. rugby and football are both physical by nature ...thats a hell of a lot better comparison then football and golf.



i think you are missing the point, though ...or at least mine. i am not saying "dont punish him ..its just football". i wouldnt be upset if the guy got a full year suspension with no pay. my point is that taking any LEGAL action would be silly because the whole game of football would be considered assault in a legal sense. to say that just because he violated the league's rules, he deserves to be prosecuted is absurb ..i guess we should prosecute everyone who intentionally pulls a face mask too, then.

you have to look at the context of the situation. its a physical game where you are trained to basically physically dominant an opponent, albeit with some structure. while it might reject the kind of behavior haynesworth displayed, it still breeds it. the nature of the game contributed to the actual behavior ...you can't single this guy out just because what he did was in clear view.
I'm not sure he should be arrested, but just because it is sports, doesn't mean it's not assault.

If iw as Gurode, I'd press charges.

[Caleb Cattivera]

If you watched the video, everyone was celebrating the TD... no one was looking at Gurode on the ground...

And when they realized what happened... they got pissed... but by then, the refs were all over it.

exactly.

[preppyak]

I'm not sure he should be arrested, but just because it is sports, doesn't mean it's not assault.

If iw as Gurode, I'd press charges.
And it would go nowhere...he has a point, by the nature of the game, it invites these kind of outbursts.

Our best and brightest are not our NFL athletes, we all know this...which is why I'm not suprised when something like this happens.

By your logic though, when two people fight in hockey, they would both have criminal charges pressed on them, since it is against the rules and isn't a part of the game

It's the leagues job to punish in this case...and it will...but not the laws

[LeftWideOpen]

I'm not sure he should be arrested, but just because it is sports, doesn't mean it's not assault.

If iw as Gurode, I'd press charges.

but virtually every part of football is assault to one degree or another. the only thing that protects it is that its a gigantic business and its entertainment. the thought of charging a football player with assault for on field actions, because the league doesnt sanction that kind of physical behavior, is absurd.

[fromwithin]

If you watched the video, everyone was celebrating the TD... no one was looking at Gurode on the ground...

And when they realized what happened... they got pissed... but by then, the refs were all over it.
true, bledsoe did see it though. man oh man theres like 3 titans that saw it and did nothing whatsoever.

[make_this_hurt]

And it would go nowhere...he has a point, by the nature of the game, it invites these kind of outbursts.

Our best and brightest are not our NFL athletes, we all know this...which is why I'm not suprised when something like this happens.

By your logic though, when two people fight in hockey, they would both have criminal charges pressed on them, since it is against the rules and isn't a part of the game

It's the leagues job to punish in this case...and it will...but not the laws

Fighting is allowed in hockey... well.. it's permitted. It's a part of the game. Fighting in football is not part of the game.

but virtually every part of football is assault to one degree or another. the only thing that protects it is that its a gigantic business and its entertainment. the thought of charging a football player with assault for on field behavior, because the league doesnt sanction that kind of physical behavior, is absurd.

It's permitted... it's physical. So what if someone took off his helmet and hit someone in the head with it.. and killed him?... Is that not murder?

[LeftWideOpen]

true, bledsoe did see it though. man oh man theres like 3 titans that saw it and did nothing whatsoever.

and heres a whole other point when it comes to trying to make this a legal issue ..those titan players could be prosecuted in some states for not doing anything. and you could even go as far as to say ...any fan who saw it happen and did nothingh could be prosecuted. of course that doesnt happen though, because the fan presumes hes just watching football, not a crime.

its just becomes an illogical mess to try and bring the law into what happens during a football game.

[fromwithin]

Fighting is allowed in hockey... well.. it's permitted. It's a part of the game. Fighting in football is not part of the game.

but bone-breaking tackles are.

[make_this_hurt]

but bone-breaking tackles are.
Horrible point.

Legal tackles that yield injury are allowed by the league because all players accept that injury happens; it's part of the game.

Stepping on someone's head is not part of the game.

[fromwithin]

Horrible point.

Legal tackles that yield injury are allowed by the league because all players accept that injury happens; it's part of the game.

Stepping on someone's head is not part of the game.

they take a chance when they go out on the field. he got thrown out of the game, that was his punishment.

[imirish06]

Football is not Rugby, it's not a matter of "pussy," it's a difference in the game. So, you're saying if Tiger smashed Vijay's face in with a golf club while he was putting he shouldn't be punished by the law? because they're playing a sport? that justifies it? People play Rugby KNOWING that can happen, they don't wear helmets, they don't wear pads... this is completely different, and to compare it to that is fucking ignorant as hell. There's no excuse for maliciously attacking a guy who's completely innocent and unprotected in a sport where the physical pain only should come when helmets and pads are on, during a play. I can't believe you'd compare that to Rugby.

Stomping on the face is ILLEGAL in both sports. When you play a physical sport that involves a lot of emotion cheap shots WILL happen. Players playing both games full on know that and are aware of that. If YOU aren't aware of that, you've obviously never played football at a competitive level. They might be aware of more forms of cheaps shots then others but that doesn't make it any more right/wrong.

I also love how I get called ignorant from comparing a two sports....one of which was fucking BORN because of the other... yet you compare it to golf. Plus golf isn't a physical sport. Football and Rugby are...Are you fucking kidding me? Why would you even make that comparison?

While we're making absurd comparisons should we start throwing baseball players in jail for charging the mound and laying the pitcher out? Oh I forgot, it makes more sense because players are more "aware" of the chance of it happening.

[Scott Weber]

Stomping on the face is ILLEGAL in both sports. When you play a physical sport that involves a lot of emotion cheap shots WILL happen. Players playing both games full on know that and are aware of that. If YOU aren't aware of that, you've obviously never played football at a competitive level. They might be aware of more forms of cheaps shots then others but that doesn't make it any more right/wrong.

I also love how I get called ignorant from comparing a two sports....one of which was fucking BORN because of the other... yet you compare it to golf. Plus golf isn't a physical sport. Football and Rugby are...Are you fucking kidding me? Why would you even make that comparison?

While we're making absurd comparisons should we start throwing baseball players in jail for charging the mound and laying the pitcher out? Oh I forgot, it makes more sense because players are more "aware" of the chance of it happening.
I was making a ridiculous comparison to prove a point. It wasn't meant to be an actual comparison. This isn't going anywhere. You guys cannot comprehend that helmet-less face stomps aren't a part of the normal course of play. when you play sports you sign a contract, a waiver form, but in football you would never sign up to be hurt with your helmet off. In Rugby,you know you're not wearing pads or a helmet, you know you could get stomped...you would never ever expect that in football, especially after a play is dead. There is a gigantic difference, and the justifications you guys are giving are weak. We will never resolve this because we've beaten it to death, key points are being ignored, and I'm saving my breath.

[Drew Beringer]

Suspend him for at least 4 games.

[rcrook]

i say 4 game suspension 10,000 dollar fine

[dai the flu]

looking at that video, it almost looks like haynesworth pulled gurode's helmet off himself before stomping him. watch it close. you can see his helmet is still on until haynesworth bends down and reaches for his head with his hand, then he starts kicking.

[preppyak]

looking at that video, it almost looks like haynesworth pulled gurode's helmet off himself before stomping him. watch it close. you can see his helmet is still on until haynesworth bends down and reaches for his head with his hand, then he starts kicking.

I see what you mean...from that back angle it looks like this happens.

Pulls off helmet > Kicks (weakly) in the head> Stomps on him a few seconds later

So, after seeing that view, I actually agree more that he needs to be out for the season...no doubt. If it was just the stomp, it'd be a gut reaction out of emotion, but he had 3-4 seconds to sit there and think (and you can see him staring at the guy on the ground for a few seconds) before he actually did it, so straight emotional response is gone, this is just malicious.

I agree though, Fisher seemed pissed, so I won't be suprised if he is suspended all season, and then maybe cut at season's end

Edit: I looked closer again...and when Gurode is on the ground, he has his helmet on still and only after Haynesworth does that sort of swipe move around his head does it come off and then he does that little kick move. And then, a few seconds later, after turning back a little, does he do the stomp. THis is the kind of move that should end Haynesworth's career as an NFL player

[preppyak]

the hilarious part, now that I think about it, of this story is that TO is involved in this game 4-5 days after his suicide thing...and he's not really even mentioned in the coverage of it.

[make_this_hurt]

I see what you mean...from that back angle it looks like this happens.

Pulls off helmet > Kicks (weakly) in the head> Stomps on him a few seconds later

So, after seeing that view, I actually agree more that he needs to be out for the season...no doubt. If it was just the stomp, it'd be a gut reaction out of emotion, but he had 3-4 seconds to sit there and think (and you can see him staring at the guy on the ground for a few seconds) before he actually did it, so straight emotional response is gone, this is just malicious.

I agree though, Fisher seemed pissed, so I won't be suprised if he is suspended all season, and then maybe cut at season's end

Edit: I looked closer again...and when Gurode is on the ground, he has his helmet on still and only after Haynesworth does that sort of swipe move around his head does it come off and then he does that little kick move. And then, a few seconds later, after turning back a little, does he do the stomp. THis is the kind of move that should end Haynesworth's career as an NFL player
Yea.. I saw the same thing. What a piece of shit.

[fromwithin]

the hilarious part, now that I think about it, of this story is that TO is involved in this game 4-5 days after his suicide thing...and he's not really even mentioned in the coverage of it.

if you see after gurode walks off the field, he's talking to TO and i'm sure TO is telling him what a pussy he is. I MADE SUICIDE THREATS BITCH!

[make_this_hurt]

THe league is gonna rule on this anytime...

[FondestMemory]

5 games without pay.

fisher may tack on a couple more from the team. or may not.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Haynesworth suspended 5 games without pay.

Fair suspension, I think. Also the longest suspension for an on-field incident EVER.

[LeftWideOpen]

Haynesworth suspended 5 games without pay.

Fair suspension, I think. Also the longest suspension for an on-field incident EVER.

yeah, 5 is fair enough. I honestly though it'd be more, though.

[FondestMemory]

yeah, 5 is fair enough. I honestly though it'd be more, though.

5's just a weird number. 6 or 8 would have been sufficient. i actually think 5 is a little light.

[LeftWideOpen]

5's just a weird number. 6 or 8 would have been sufficient. i actually think 5 is a little light.

yeah, I figured he'd get 8 or 10.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

yeah, I figured he'd get 8 or 10.
still could. I wouldn't be surprised if Fisher tacks on 3 or 5 more to make it 8 or 10 total.

[FondestMemory]

still could. I wouldn't be surprised if Fisher tacks on 3 or 5 more to make it 8 or 10 total.

yeah, no statement from him yet.

could go either way.

[KB3RG]

He should not be cut, he should be arrested. I like the Titans. I thought the Vick issue was bad but this is just disgusting. If he was not in the NFL he would have been arrested

[make_this_hurt]

5 Games.

What a joke.

[FondestMemory]

5 Games.

What a joke.

i wouldn't call it a joke. i think it's a game or two light.

but you consider it's without pay. he's losing almost $200,000 because of this.

and considering the longest suspension for an on-field incident before this was only two games, i think 5 works. it sends a strong enough message to the rest of the league that goodell is willing to take action when needed. all in all, it may be light, but it works.

and nashville police have contacted the cowboys and informed gurard they're willing to investigate and pursue criminal charges if he wants to. he was in the weight room lifting today and isn't expected to miss any time.

[make_this_hurt]

i wouldn't call it a joke. i think it's a game or two light.

but you consider it's without pay. he's losing almost $200,000 because of this.

and considering the longest suspension for an on-field incident before this was only two games, i think 5 works. it sends a strong enough message to the rest of the league that goodell is willing to take action when needed. all in all, it may be light, but it works.

and nashville police have contacted the cowboys and informed gurard they're willing to investigate and pursue criminal charges if he wants to. he was in the weight room lifting today and isn't expected to miss any time.
I guess, when you consider precedent, it's heavy. But still.. I think he should have been gone for the year.

Maybe Fisher will tack some time on.

[make_this_hurt]

Go Mark Schlereth:

When I first saw the replay of what Albert Haynesworth (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5901) did I just thought it was a horrific act perpetuated by a guy who has no business playing in the NFL. Football is a vicious game and most guys on the field are out there trying to knock someone out of the game to help their team. But those hits are within the realm of the game and before the whistle blows. I played for six years on an offensive line that was known for cut blocking and doing things that were right on the edge of being legal in the NFL, but not once did we ever cross the line and try to do anything like what Haynesworth did. A football career is fleeting and at any point it can end either on the field or off the field. When you're out there, you don't take chances with someone else's career after the whistle. That's why he should have been suspended for the rest of the year. It should be the same as a guy who has gone through the drug program in terms of him having to go through a reinstatement program to get back into the league. He has to prove that he has righted this wrong in some way and that he isn't capable of doing something like this ever again. Five games isn't enough.

[FondestMemory]

I guess, when you consider precedent, it's heavy. But still.. I think he should have been gone for the year.

Maybe Fisher will tack some time on.

doesn't appear that he will. he spoke on the subject and seemed to agree it was fair.

[fromwithin]

and nashville police have contacted the cowboys and informed gurard they're willing to investigate and pursue criminal charges if he wants to. he was in the weight room lifting today and isn't expected to miss any time.

that's exactly why he shouldnt get any more time or lose any more pay.

[Broken Parachute]

they take a chance when they go out on the field. he got thrown out of the game, that was his punishment.
So players should expect to get stomped in the face by a cleat when they're down and defenseless, for absolutely no reason? Hmm..I must have overlooked that aspect of the game.

well let's talk about the hit on trent green, and carson palmer's knee. those were just "accidents" though but I'm sure they hurt a hell of a lot worse than getting 30 stitches and no action was taken.
Do you not see what happened? THE PLAY WAS OVER..for no reason at all, because he has a temper probably, he stomped on a helpless guy's face. Don't even say it's part of the game...people don't stomp on player's faces all the time. The Palmer hit was a cheap shot, but happened during the game. It was a stupid tackle that went bad. This was after the play.

no punishment at all, they need to let these pansies play the game.
They can't play the game when shit like this happens. Do you see what you're saying? "Let's let these animals stomp all over each other for no reason..after all, it's part of the game!"

[IAmNietzche]

Funniest thing I've seen since '98.

[LeftWideOpen]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=kreidler_mark&id=2610491

great article by mark kreidler on the whole situation. sums up my argument pretty well.

[Chemical Love]

I think the mofo should be arrested and charged. I mean the guy he stepped on needed 30 stitches.

[make_this_hurt]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=kreidler_mark&id=2610491

great article by mark kreidler on the whole situation. sums up my argument pretty well.
The only people who have valid opinions on this.. should be people who've played in the NFL...

[LeftWideOpen]

The only people who have valid opinions on this.. should be people who've played in the NFL...

well then i guess that rules out prosecution because any cop or lawyer's opinion would be invalid.

glad to see you shifted to my side. ;-)

[make_this_hurt]

well then i guess that rules out prosecution because any cop or lawyer's opinion would be invalid.

glad to see you shifted to my side. ;-)
I never though he SHOULD be arrested or anything... but I thought he COULD... suspension for the year is what I wanted... but oh well.