27 rings?

[youkwalks]

Detroit Tigers vs. New York Yankees

Discuss

[The Matt Kaufman]

and this thread will go nowhere

[youkwalks]

it wont if you dont discuss the series.

Yankees take this one although I think I picked the Tigers. Detroit just has nothing left.

although, as mike pointed out, several teams have gone through the same situation.

[youkwalks]

Game 1-Nate Robertson vs Chien-Ming Wang
Game 2-Justin Verlander vs Mike Mussina
Game 3-Kenny Rogers vs Randy Johnson

[LeftWideOpen]

i think the tigers have potential to pull this off because of the pitching ..but its been a struggle as of late.

i'm going to say yankees in four. I think the Tigers are too much of a free swinging team to beat the Yanks and they'll wind up giving away outs that the Yankees pitching might otherwise not make.

[xbrokendownx]

Yankees in 4


thinking more about things, im glad we got the tigers. the pitching is the weak spot of our team obviously, so facing a team like detroit is better for us than minnesota, which has a great offense

[fcknazisympathy]

Yanks in 5. Wang wins Gm 1 & Gm 4. Then we only need one more win.

[DaveFeelsRight]

Yankees in 4

Oakland in 5...i hope frank thomas crushes the twins dicks

[bigmike]

it wont if you dont discuss the series.

Yankees take this one although I think I picked the Tigers. Detroit just has nothing left.

although, as mike pointed out, several teams have gone through the same situation.
How do we have nothing left? A team, who is under the age of like 27 at virtually every key position, and basically an entire pitching staff under 30 years old, is hard to get focused and back on track with the same intensity after clinching a playoff birth. Especially when it's the first one for the franchise in nearly 20 years. I think us "not having anything left" is a myth and just plain wrong.

Everyone also fails to mention that Placido Polanco missed 5 weeks and ironically, that's when our offense quit producing runs. First game back for him? 3 hits. 2nd game back for him? 3 rbi's and a squeeze bunt. 3rd game back for him? a homerun. He's the key to our offense as it sets the order. I just wish leyland would switch pudge and sean casey's spots and move pudge from 6th to 3rd and vice versa for casey.

Also, everyone's fretting that bonderman and verlander and rogers aren't starting game 1.
Big deal.
Nate Robertson has been our best pitcher for the last 6 weeks and has gone 6 IP with 3 runs or less in 6 of his last 7 starts including at 7 IP, 10, 2 R, 2 BB, 4 K performance in Yankee Stadium and he got the loss only because Wang completely wrecked us that game (which is entirely possible tomorrow night as well). He only won 1 of those games in that 7 game stretch because he get's the lowest run support of anyone on our staff and it's by like 1.5 runs less than anyone else for us.

Needless to say, I love our chances.
Yankees in 4


thinking more about things, im glad we got the tigers. the pitching is the weak spot of our team obviously, so facing a team like detroit is better for us than minnesota, which has a great offense
I wouldn't call the Twins a "great offense" by any stretch of the imagination.

[xbrokendownx]

I wouldn't call the Twins a "great offense" by any stretch of the imagination.






according to sportscenter last night, they had the highest batting average of any team in the league this year

[bigmike]

according to sportscenter last night, they had the highest batting average of any team in the league this year
Only Oakland has scored fewer runs of the AL playoff teams.

[fcknazisympathy]

Not to mention we've pretty much dominated the Tigers this year. Their free swinging is perfect for Wang to have a stellar Game 1 to set the tone of the series.

[xbrokendownx]

Only Oakland has scored fewer runs of the AL playoff teams.






i know


im just saying, id rather face the tigers offense then the twins offense, especially now that torii hunter is red hot

[bigmike]

Not to mention we've pretty much dominated the Tigers this year. Their free swinging is perfect for Wang to have a stellar Game 1 to set the tone of the series.
Yeah, if we ever cut down out the strikeouts, our offense would double it's ability. However, we have shown a knack all year of sucking against a team's starter and then when they go to the bullpen of stringing together 5-6 hits and taking a lead. We strike out alot, however, we do get tons of hits in bunches when we're on.
i know


im just saying, id rather face the tigers offense then the twins offense, especially now that torii hunter is red hot
The more i think about it, the more i'm semi-glad we got you guys because I'd rather face your lineup in a short series than face you in a long series.

[fcknazisympathy]

Yeah, if we ever cut down out the strikeouts, our offense would double it's ability. However, we have shown a knack all year of sucking against a team's starter and then when they go to the bullpen of stringing together 5-6 hits and taking a lead. We strike out alot, however, we do get tons of hits in bunches when we're on.

The more i think about it, the more i'm semi-glad we got you guys because I'd rather face your lineup in a short series than face you in a long series.

Yeah, the two games you beat us it was because our bullpen blew it and Mariano wasnt available. Hahah yeah, I think we could be the first team to slug our way to victory since the Blue Jays of the early 90s. I mean the only legit starter as far as I'm concerned on the team is Wang.

[Broken Parachute]

Yankees in 5

[bigmike]

Yankees in 6
o rly?

[justinevans]

Yankees in 4.

[justinevans]

btw, I love all the witty things...couldn't think of one for the A's and Twins yet?

[thejetstolehome]

Yeah, the two games you beat us it was because our bullpen blew it and Mariano wasnt available. Hahah yeah, I think we could be the first team to slug our way to victory since the Blue Jays of the early 90s. I mean the only legit starter as far as I'm concerned on the team is Wang.

look up the close and late team stats. the yankees only get like 10% of their runs via the home run in that situation. most of it is singles and doubles. when they want to, the yankees can play fundamental baseball and i think that's what they're gonna do in the playoffs. and, we definitely don't NEED to hit home runs. sometimes people try too hard and it pisses me off because so many guys get on base. damon, jeter, abreu, and giambi all take pitches, work walks, and get on base. all we need are singles, and sometimes doubles for guys like giambi who couldn't out run my 91 year old grandmother, and we're set.

i think the yankees will win this series in 4. the pitching will outlast detroit's and the offense will out produce. we've got matsui back who bats like crazy in the palyoffs--jeter and damon fall under the same category. i'm confident that abreu can carry his great play into the playoffs as well. we've also got melky off the bench, though i wish he were starting, who can get some clutch hits and be a great defensive replacement if need be. overall, i'm extremely confident. not saying anything's for sure, but i'm very, very confident at this point.

[Broken Parachute]

o rly?
I meant to put a 5 there hahaha hit the wrong key

[Chriz2z]

Tigers in 4.

[bigmike]

Tigers in 4.
I think we can steal the Mussina game and I'm confident in Rogers at home. Then Bonderman, in game 4, right?

[fromwithin]

Yankees in 4, maybe 5 if they play sloppy.

[youkwalks]

btw, I love all the witty things...couldn't think of one for the A's and Twins yet?
are you talking to me? If so, see Moneyball vs. Small ball

Bigmike, by nothing left I mean out of gas. I highly doubt Polanco is the crutch of your offense. He has a .329 obp this year. If that makes the team go then look out, because they're not going anywhere.

[Chriz2z]

I think we can steal the Mussina game and I'm confident in Rogers at home. Then Bonderman, in game 4, right?
Yes...

I'm not confident in our ability to hit the heavy ball... but we can hit an aging Mussina, Rogers has been clutch at home in the second half, and if we win two in a row there ain't no stoping us.

[bigmike]

are you talking to me? If so, see Moneyball vs. Small ball

Bigmike, by nothing left I mean out of gas. I highly doubt Polanco is the crutch of your offense. He has a .329 obp this year. If that makes the team go then look out, because they're not going anywhere.
I wasn't talking about him getting on base to make the team go. I was talking about his .323 BA with runners on, his .396 BA with RISP, his .351 BA with RISP and 2 out, as well as his ability to bunt, squeeze, move runners along and keep innings alive with 2 outs. No, his OBP isn't great, but neither is our whole teams OBP, yet we won 95 games. He's the glue, the intangible guy that helps this offense run smoothly and efficiently. It's no coincidence that we rarely scored 6 runs when he was out and struggled offensively, and when he came back that our offense got back to what it had been for the first 4-5 months of the year.

And i get what you mean about being out of gas. I still disagree though. Everyone's just as tired as they've all played the same amount of games. And in fact, I think we're the healthiest team in terms of pitching and position players of everyone in the AL playoffs.

[DaveFeelsRight]

hasnt Rogers choked in the playoffs before?

[bigmike]

Yes...

I'm not confident in our ability to hit the heavy ball... but we can hit an aging Mussina, Rogers has been clutch at home in the second half, and if we win two in a row there ain't no stoping us.
Exactly. As long as we don't get blown out in game 1 (which i'm thinking we'll lose because of the sinker wang throws and our inability to take pitches), we should be okay. if we lose like 10-1 or something like that, the wheels could come off easily.

[Drew Beringer]

I would prefer to see Detroit win, but I don't think it'll happen.

[bigmike]

hasnt Rogers choked in the playoffs before?
He also had a losing record in the 2nd half of the season each of the last 6 years. but he reversed that trend. so i'm optimistic that he can do well in the cold of NY and Detroit. and especially since he'll be starting game 3, in Detroit which is massive and the crowds on his side.

[xbrokendownx]

torre says rivera will be limited to one inning outings this postseason. thats significant because in the 2 losses we had to detroit, rivera wasnt available for either


and, as expected, heres out lineup for tomorrow night:

Joe Torre's Game 1 lineup:
1. Johnny Damon, CF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Gary Sheffield, 1B
5. Jason Giambi, DH
6. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
7. Hideki Matsui, LF
8. Jorge Posada, C
9. Robinson Cano, 2B

[Chriz2z]

torre says rivera will be limited to one inning outings this postseason. thats significant because in the 2 losses we had to detroit, rivera wasnt available for either


and, as expected, heres out lineup for tomorrow night:

Joe Torre's Game 1 lineup:
1. Johnny Damon, CF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Gary Sheffield, 1B
5. Jason Giambi, DH
6. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
7. Hideki Matsui, LF
8. Jorge Posada, C
9. Robinson Cano, 2B
Damn, that lineup is scarier when it's on paper.

[bigmike]

torre says rivera will be limited to one inning outings this postseason. thats significant because in the 2 losses we had to detroit, rivera wasnt available for either


and, as expected, heres out lineup for tomorrow night:

Joe Torre's Game 1 lineup:
1. Johnny Damon, CF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Gary Sheffield, 1B
5. Jason Giambi, DH
6. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
7. Hideki Matsui, LF
8. Jorge Posada, C
9. Robinson Cano, 2B
I love Nate Roberston's 0.72 WHIP against LHB against that lineup.

[Chriz2z]

I love Nate Roberston's 0.72 WHIP against LHB against that lineup.
Did you seriously just average that out?

[Broken Parachute]

Joe Torre's Game 1 lineup:
1. Johnny Damon, CF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Gary Sheffield, 1B
5. Jason Giambi, DH
6. N/A
7. Hideki Matsui, LF
8. Jorge Posada, C
9. Robinson Cano, 2B

[xbrokendownx]

Joe Torre's Game 1 lineup:
1. Johnny Damon, CF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Gary Sheffield, 1B
5. Jason Giambi, DH
6. N/A
7. Hideki Matsui, LF
8. Jorge Posada, C
9. Robinson Cano, 2B





john


:shrug:

[Broken Parachute]

john


:shake
You can't put his name in the lineup if he's not gonna show up. :shrug:

[Chriz2z]

You can't put his name in the lineup if he's not gonna show up. :shrug:
I hope he doesn't show up.

[Broken Parachute]

I hope he doesn't show up.
Don't worry, it's playoff time..he won't.

[xbrokendownx]

he didnt "show up" this year either, and still went .290, 35 HR, 121 RBIs

[bigmike]

Did you seriously just average that out?
Nah, ESPN did. I just stole it.

[Broken Parachute]

he didnt "show up" this year either, and still went .290, 35 HR, 121 RBIs
What? He showed up, he had a good year.

[xbrokendownx]

What? He showed up, he had a good year.






tell that to the NY media

[Broken Parachute]

tell that to the NY media
They have nothing bad to report, you expected them not to make up something? haha

[thejetstolehome]

I love Nate Roberston's 0.72 WHIP against LHB against that lineup.

which is why i want the switch hitting melky cabrera in the lineup and on the field. he's getting such a fucking shaft. at this point, i want giambi out of the lineup. he's hitting like absoulte donkey cock. sheff's been alright since coming back and so is matsui but i want melky's arm and range in left. he's also been a good hitter all year and has some clutch hits. i love melky...

[Broken Parachute]

Hey, I offered you a fantasy trade.

[xbrokendownx]

Hey, I offered you a fantasy trade.







accepted

[Broken Parachute]

accepted
Good. I really didn't need two defenses and I did need a QB.

[xbrokendownx]

Good. I really didn't need two defenses and I did need a QB.






yeah, i need a TE, mcmike is sucking


and i have daunte, but ill pick up another QB on the waiver wire too

[youkwalks]

I wasn't talking about him getting on base to make the team go. I was talking about his .323 BA with runners on, his .396 BA with RISP, his .351 BA with RISP and 2 out, as well as his ability to bunt, squeeze, move runners along and keep innings alive with 2 outs. No, his OBP isn't great, but neither is our whole teams OBP, yet we won 95 games. He's the glue, the intangible guy that helps this offense run smoothly and efficiently. It's no coincidence that we rarely scored 6 runs when he was out and struggled offensively, and when he came back that our offense got back to what it had been for the first 4-5 months of the year.
Couldn't the argument be made that Polanco doesn't mean as much as the pitching/defense does?

The Tigers scored 149 runs in September (Polanco's least amount of AB's) and that was their second highest total for a month in 06.

The Tigers also gave up the most runs (134) in September, the worst of any month in 06.

[bigmike]

Couldn't the argument be made that Polanco doesn't mean as much as the pitching/defense does?

The Tigers scored 149 runs in September (Polanco's least amount of AB's) and that was their second highest total for a month in 06.

The Tigers also gave up the most runs (134) in September, the worst of any month in 06.
He got hurt in August.

[Broken Parachute]

yeah, i need a TE, mcmike is sucking


and i have daunte, but ill pick up another QB on the waiver wire too
I have Heath Miller as my TE now, so I wasn't worried about losing Shockey.

[youkwalks]

He got hurt in August.
He had more AB's in August than he did in Sept. and the team scored less runs.

The point here is, there is no correlation between Polanco and the teams sucess.

[bigmike]

He had more AB's in August than he did in Sept. and the team scored less runs.

The point here is, there is no correlation between Polanco and the teams sucess.
The point is that I'm a big stats guy but I know that I've also watched the offense struggle with RISP and in clutch situations after Placido Polanco went down.

Edit, also, 68 of those runs came in the final 9 games of september, which skews the numbers. Which is also ironic because Polanco played in 6 of those final 8 games in September.

[Chriz2z]

Polanco is the least free-swinger on the Tigers. We need him to take pitches that Granderson, Pudge, Monroe and Thames won't take.

[youkwalks]

The point is that I'm a big stats guy but I know that I've also watched the offense struggle with RISP and in clutch situations after Placido Polanco went down.

Edit, also, 68 of those runs came in the final 9 games of september, which skews the numbers. Which is also ironic because Polanco played in 6 of those final 8 games in September.
I dont think 28 PA in Sept and Oct means he sparked the offense. In 7 of the games Polanco played in in sept./oct. the Tigers scored 7+ runs in 6 of those games. Polanco only had 5 rbi.

I really dont think he is the crutch of the Tigers offense. I doubt anyone really is besides maybe Ordonez.

[youkwalks]

Polanco is the least free-swinger on the Tigers. We need him to take pitches that Granderson, Pudge, Monroe and Thames won't take.
17 walks on the whole season?

[bigmike]

I dont think 28 PA in Sept and Oct means he sparked the offense. In 7 of the games Polanco played in in sept./oct. the Tigers scored 7+ runs in 6 of those games. Polanco only had 5 rbi.

I really dont think he is the crutch of the Tigers offense. I doubt anyone really is besides maybe Ordonez.
Polanco
Guillen
Ordonez

He also dropped down a squeeze bunt, moved runners along and boatload of other things that no one else in our lineup does.

He also solidified the #2 spot, allowing Pudge to move back down to 6 where he's more comfortable.

Edit: Also, why are you looking at Polanco's RBI numbers? Because he helps the offense run more smoothly doesn't mean he's driving in tons of runs.

[bigmike]

17 walks on the whole season?
Yes, but he does see more pitches than anyone on the team. however, he doesn't strike out a lot, which the Tigers do a lot of.

[youkwalks]

Polanco
Guillen
Ordonez

He also dropped down a squeeze bunt, moved runners along and boatload of other things that no one else in our lineup does.

He also solidified the #2 spot, allowing Pudge to move back down to 6 where he's more comfortable.
I dont get what the first 3 names mean...

You know how I feel about small ball techniques such as bunting....I dont think it helps an offense in the long run....(playoffs, yes)

I also dont think a .330 obp is a good #2 hitter. If Polanco is good at bunting and playing small ball, why not drop him down into the bottom of the order where the team might have more trouble scoring runs and bunting could help?

Pudge had more AB's in the 3 spot than the 6 spot....

[bigmike]

I dont get what the first 3 names mean...

You know how I feel about small ball techniques such as bunting....I dont think it helps an offense in the long run....(playoffs, yes)

I also dont think a .330 obp is a good #2 hitter. If Polanco is good at bunting and playing small ball, why not drop him down into the bottom of the order where the team might have more trouble scoring runs and bunting could help?

Pudge had more AB's in the 3 spot than the 6 spot....
3 names are the 3 guys that i think are the most important pieces to this offenes, IMO.

the bottom of our order doesn't have problems scoring. Brandon Inge, largely in the bottom 3rd of our order, led us in HR's.

Pudge played the majority of the season at the 3 spot, however, he's been hitting 6th as of late because Sean Casey is hitting 3rd. I'd prefer it the other way around, but that's what leyland's been doing.

[youkwalks]

Yes, but he does see more pitches than anyone on the team. however, he doesn't strike out a lot, which the Tigers do a lot of.
Ordonez sees 3.5 P/PA and Polanco sees 3.3 P/PA. Ordonez was the only name I checked.

I dont think P/PA is a good judge of plate discipline, but he doesn't see more pitches than anyone on his team.

[bigmike]

Ordonez sees 3.5 P/PA and Polanco sees 3.3 P/PA. Ordonez was the only name I checked.

I dont think P/PA is a good judge of plate discipline, but he doesn't see more pitches than anyone on his team.
Okay, he sees as many as anyone on the team. Close enough. You know what I mean.

Basically the things he brings to the lineup are anything you can look up in stats and that's where I'll leave this conversation that's just running in circles. I've watched them play virtually every game this year and when he's not in the lineup there's a notceable difference in the offense.

[youkwalks]

3 names are the 3 guys that i think are the most important pieces to this offenes, IMO.

the bottom of our order doesn't have problems scoring. Brandon Inge, largely in the bottom 3rd of our order, led us in HR's.

Pudge played the majority of the season at the 3 spot, however, he's been hitting 6th as of late because Sean Casey is hitting 3rd. I'd prefer it the other way around, but that's what leyland's been doing.
Inge has a .313 obp. Thats terrible, but he has 27 homeruns...wtf? Still, a .313 obp is not good whatsoever and I doubt he has really produced as many runs as it seems.

Actually, here's a nice tidbit about obp. Polanco has a .330 obp and a .363 slg. that sucks right? Well, Polanco has a 5.4 RC/G and Inge has a 5.3 RC/G, but Inge has a higher slugging and more homeruns. The difference? Inge has a .313 obp.

Wouldn't Casey be the reason Pudge went back to 6 and not Polanco?

[youkwalks]

Okay, he sees as many as anyone on the team. Close enough. You know what I mean.

Basically the things he brings to the lineup are anything you can look up in stats and that's where I'll leave this conversation that's just running in circles. I've watched them play virtually every game this year and when he's not in the lineup there's a notceable difference in the offense.
and when I watch the Red Sox defense I think to myself, they're fantastic! Best defense ive seen! But the reality of it is that the OF defense sucks balls.

[bigmike]

Inge has a .313 obp. Thats terrible, but he has 27 homeruns...wtf? Still, a .313 obp is not good whatsoever and I doubt he has really produced as many runs as it seems.

Actually, here's a nice tidbit about obp. Polanco has a .330 obp and a .363 slg. that sucks right? Well, Polanco has a 5.4 RC/G and Inge has a 5.3 RC/G, but Inge has a higher slugging and more homeruns. The difference? Inge has a .313 obp.

Wouldn't Casey be the reason Pudge went back to 6 and not Polanco?
Nah, Polanco went down, pudge moved to 2, monroe was at the 3 and then Casey moved there, polanco came back and now pudge has moved down to 6th.

Eh, so yes and no. If polanco doesn't get hurt, pudge probably doesn't move from the 3 spot.
and when I watch the Red Sox defense I think to myself, they're fantastic! Best defense ive seen! But the reality of it is that the OF defense sucks balls.
I don't know. You know i'm a stat guy too, but there's something that I don't think are measureable in statistics. What Polcano means to this offense, is one of those immeasureable things, in my opinion.

[youkwalks]

kinda like Derek Jeter?

[bigmike]

kinda like Derek Jeter?
Uhhh, if you want to make that insane comparison, then okay.

[youkwalks]

Uhhh, if you want to make that insane comparison, then okay.
Derek Jeter is constantly praised for the "intangibles" he brings to his team. Something youre doing for Polanco. I think the whole intangibles thing is bullshit. I have a hard time believing that Polanco (and even Jeter) have some special ability to make the offense and team run more smoothly when they're playing. Yes, when they're out the team is not as good, but it has nothing to do with intangibles.

and actually, in Polanco's case, the team was about the same when he was out.

[histrionics22]

Derek Jeter is constantly praised for the "intangibles" he brings to his team. Something youre doing for Polanco. I think the whole intangibles thing is bullshit. I have a hard time believing that Polanco (and even Jeter) have some special ability to make the offense and team run more smoothly when they're playing. Yes, when they're out the team is not as good, but it has nothing to do with intangibles.

and actually, in Polanco's case, the team was about the same when he was out.
I do. It's called confidence. Confidence that your regular number 2 guy is in there playing. Play on any sports team and you'll know mentally its not the same when an important part of the lineup goes out.

[youkwalks]

I do. It's called confidence. Confidence that your regular number 2 guy is in there playing. Play on any sports team and you'll know mentally its not the same when an important part of the lineup goes out.
ya, its confidence in Jeter or Polanco that make a player see the ball better and swing the bat better.

you got it!

[histrionics22]

ya, its confidence in Jeter or Polanco that make a player see the ball better and swing the bat better.

you got it!
It gives everyone else confidence. Not necessarily the player. I guess I didn't explain that at all, but it is almost 1.

[youkwalks]

you didnt explain it well this time either. I still dont understand what you're getting at?

[histrionics22]

you didnt explain it well this time either. I still dont understand what you're getting at?
Haha ok. Well having your regular team in there gives the rest of the team confidence. Losing any player on a team takes a toll mentally on the rest of the players, especially a guy batting out of the #2 spot on a young team. Having him back in there is important. It's not so much the stats he'll put up, but what he means to the psyche of the team, espcially given the fact they are so young.

[bigmike]

Derek Jeter is constantly praised for the "intangibles" he brings to his team. Something youre doing for Polanco. I think the whole intangibles thing is bullshit. I have a hard time believing that Polanco (and even Jeter) have some special ability to make the offense and team run more smoothly when they're playing. Yes, when they're out the team is not as good, but it has nothing to do with intangibles.

and actually, in Polanco's case, the team was about the same when he was out.
I'm done trying to explain. I apologize for not having a ground breaking stat this time to relay to you the effect that Polanco has in moving runners from 2nd to 3rd, or driving runs in with 2 out or with guys in RISP or coming up with the hit that starts a rally.

[youkwalks]

Haha ok. Well having your regular team in there gives the rest of the team confidence. Losing any player on a team takes a toll mentally on the rest of the players, especially a guy batting out of the #2 spot on a young team. Having him back in there is important. It's not so much the stats he'll put up, but what he means to the psyche of the team, espcially given the fact they are so young.
I dont buy it. Show me how that affects a players ability to bat.

The only way I might buy this is if you can show me a player bats differently in a certain spot because someone is missing.

[youkwalks]

I'm done trying to explain. I apologize for not having a ground breaking stat this time to relay to you the effect that Polanco has in moving runners from 2nd to 3rd, or driving runs in with 2 out or with guys in RISP or coming up with the hit that starts a rally.
Mags has the same result with RISP. Are you sure its not him who makes the team tick? Who do you take? Ordonez or Polanco?

[histrionics22]

I dont buy it. Show me how that affects a players ability to bat.

The only way I might buy this is if you can show me a player bats differently in a certain spot because someone is missing.
You cant measure mental toughness through stats.

[crit]

100 reasons to watch the playoffs (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/061002).

interesting stat:
A-Rod's career postseason numbers: .305 BA/.393 OBP/.534 Slg.
Derek Jeter's career postseason numbers: .307/.379/.463.

[justinevans]

100 reasons to watch the playoffs (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/061002).

interesting stat:
A-Rod's career postseason numbers: .305 BA/.393 OBP/.534 Slg.
Derek Jeter's career postseason numbers: .307/.379/.463.

yeah but in those 70% where they go wrong, how many of Arod's outs are strikeouts or shallow pop ups.

[ThatGuy]

yeah but in those 70% where they go wrong, how many of Arod's outs are strikeouts or shallow pop ups.

don't forget grounding into double plays

[crit]

yeah but in those 70% where they go wrong, how many of Arod's outs are strikeouts or shallow pop ups.

don't forget grounding into double plays
yeah, i'm not defending him at all, if he was on my team i wouldn't want him at bat with the game on the line. i just thought it was weird that his overall numbers are better than jeter, a guy i definitely would want at bat with the game on the line.

[ThatGuy]

yeah, in the playoffs, you can't rely on stats. the samples aren't large enough. it's mostly luck. and those stats just don't tell the whole story

[youkwalks]

You cant measure mental toughness through stats.
That's such a bullshit excuse to me. Maybe in football with your best linebacker out or maybe in basketball with your top forward out, but baseball is such an independent game that I dont not see how it affects a players batting.

[bigmike]

Mags has the same result with RISP. Are you sure its not him who makes the team tick? Who do you take? Ordonez or Polanco?
Ordonez:
With Runners On: .296/.476/.829
With RISP: .309/.457/.833
With RISP & 2 Out: .262/.440/.781

Polanco:
With Runners On: .323/.423/.786
With RISP: .396/.469/.892
With RISP & 2 out: .351/.459/.844

The question's misleading. What do you mean? Do I take ordonez to build a team around? Do I think Polanco's what makes this offense go? Who's the better hitter?

I think Polanco makes the offense go.
I think Maggs is our best RBI guy.

However, with RISP late in the game I'll take Polanco, then Monroe, then Magglio.

[Chriz2z]

I'm more psyched to watch this game than any baseball game I've ever watched.

[bigmike]

I'm more psyched to watch this game than any baseball game I've ever watched.
Me too. I might not be home to watch the first part of it.

[fcknazisympathy]

About 25 mins till game time, I'm so psyched I can see a 2-1 pitchers duel.

[Talib Scottie]

It's time for the Yankee's wang to shine

[Talib Scottie]

yeah but in those 70% where they go wrong, how many of Arod's outs are strikeouts or shallow pop ups.

Yeah Jeter hits into far less double plays and is far more sucessful in things like moving the runner over and such.

[thejetstolehome]

who the fuck is ready? oh my fucking CHRIST I LOVE BASEBALL!!!!!!!!!!

[Chriz2z]

I fucking hate Jeanne Zelasko.

[Chriz2z]

Yanks finish 3-15 to end 2000. Slumping much???

They then won the WS.

[thejetstolehome]

I fucking hate Jeanne Zelasko.

she's just..jfsadofjas;fj;oiaesosj ugh...she's one of those girls/women who thinks she's the hottest thing on the planet but clearly isn't.

[thejetstolehome]

here we go...

[fcknazisympathy]

And were coming to bat vs Robertson.

[thejetstolehome]

mccarver is hoarse. maybe he'll lose his voice and have to quit. that way EVERYBODY WINS!!!!

[DaveFeelsRight]

i dont think the tigers are gonna do good.


you need momentum heading into the playoffs and the tigers dont have that

[fcknazisympathy]

i dont think the tigers are gonna do good.


you need momentum heading into the playoffs and the tigers dont have that


Like the 2000 Yankees had?

[thejetstolehome]

:-) jeter

[DaveFeelsRight]

Like the 2000 Yankees had?dammnit i forgot about that

[fcknazisympathy]

dammnit i forgot about that

Also like the 2005 White Sox had? lol

[thejetstolehome]

Also like the 2005 White Sox had? lol

omgz ur bringing da pwn LOL!

[DaveFeelsRight]

Also like the 2005 White Sox had? lolactually they had momentum last year haha

[thejetstolehome]

fuck..................

[Chriz2z]

Yessir. Double.

[fcknazisympathy]

actua;;y they had momentum last year haha

They almost lost the division ... how is that having momentum. Fucking Magglio.

[DaveFeelsRight]

They almost lost the division ... how is that having momentum. Fucking Magglio.they had a like 5 game winning streak at the end of the season

[thejetstolehome]

ugh. please throw a ground ball...

[thejetstolehome]

peace out, mags.

[Chriz2z]

Dammit.

[DaveFeelsRight]

yay

[thejetstolehome]

:wave:

there's wang's one strikeout for the series.

[Chriz2z]

Shit, that ball was in the dirt Pudge.

[thejetstolehome]

way to work, wang.

i find it hilarious that the taiwanese government built a monument in front of his house haha

[Chriz2z]

Way to screw up that inning Leyland. 2 on and no out and we get nothing.

[fcknazisympathy]

Man the Detroit hitters are so patient.

[DaveFeelsRight]

Way to screw up that inning Leyland. 2 on and no out and we get nothing.you still have 8 more innings to go d00d

[Chriz2z]

Man the Detroit hitters are so patient.
No ever said they were.

[fcknazisympathy]

lol@our 5,6,7 being Giambi, ARod, and Matsui.

[Chriz2z]

you still have 8 more innings to go d00d
7.5??

[thejetstolehome]

let's go A-Rod. prove everyone wrong, please.

[fcknazisympathy]

Hahah yay, HBP way to start off the inning Giambi.

[thejetstolehome]

dammit. it figures he fucking ropes it and it goes right to someone...

[thejetstolehome]

jdsj;ofsdfoidoifh WORK THE FUCKING COUNT LIKE RODRIGUEZ DID

[thejetstolehome]

yay, mr. mouseketeer!

[thejetstolehome]

STOP SWINGING SO EARLY IN THE COUNT!

x

[Chriz2z]

Good pitch.

[fcknazisympathy]

STOP SWINGING SO EARLY IN THE COUNT!

x

A fucking men. I mean Cano did it the whole year but WTF Matsui. If you continue to put up bullshit ABs like that, I want Melky in there someone who will work the count and has a better arm than you.

[Chriz2z]

Hahaha, what?

[fcknazisympathy]

Ugh, Torre please DH Matsui and start Melky in left so we have some sort of outfield arm.

[thejetstolehome]

A fucking men. I mean Cano did it the whole year but WTF Matsui. If you continue to put up bullshit ABs like that, I want Melky in there someone who will work the count and has a better arm than you.

i want melky in the lineup PERIOD. fuck giambi. i can't even remember the last time he got a hit. have sheff play first, matsui DH, and melky play left.

UGH! FJSDFASFJA;F PAY AFUCKINGTENTION!

[thejetstolehome]

FUCK!

x

[Chriz2z]

Thames slowed up, dang it.

[Chriz2z]

Thames will score with Polanco up.

[Chriz2z]

Damn.

[thejetstolehome]

FUCK YES!!!!

x

[Scott Weber]

fucking a, tigers.

[DaveFeelsRight]

Thames will score with Polanco up.oh yeah?

calm down there buddy

[fcknazisympathy]

Soooooooooooo Placido Planaco how's that .396 RISP looking now?

[thejetstolehome]

Soooooooooooo Placido Planaco how's that .396 RISP looking now?

watch it, you. hahah

[jaimej]

Jeter and Cano are so clutch.

[jaimej]

Isn't Granderson supposed to be the fastest on their team? Bahaha

[thejetstolehome]

come on, damon. do what you did the last time you played a playoff game in yankee stadium.

[thejetstolehome]

i was thinking along the lines of a homer but that works too!

[Chriz2z]

Isn't Granderson supposed to be the fastest on their team? Bahaha
Yeah, because that play had a lot to do with Grandy. He was running to second and almost took out Cano. Polanco was running to first.

[Chriz2z]

i was thinking along the lines of a homer but that works too!
Hahahaha, I couldn't help but laugh at Robertson's face plant.

[jaimej]

Yeah, because that play had a lot to do with Grandy. He was running to second and almost took out Cano. Polanco was running to first.
...it was a double play.

[Chriz2z]

...it was a double play.
How often is someone safe at second on those? He at least made it close.

[Scott Weber]

Jeter and Cano are so gay.

yeah, i know.

[thejetstolehome]

Hahahaha, I couldn't help but laugh at Robertson's face plant.

haha he looked so confused.

[thejetstolehome]

love it.

[fcknazisympathy]

Ahemm

MVP

MVP

MVP

[Chriz2z]

Jeter is so clutch. First pro baseball player from Kalamazoo.

[jaimej]

How often is someone safe at second on those? He at least made it close.
True. You have a point.
yeah, i know.
Cut it out Weebs. :nono:

[Chriz2z]

True. You have a point.

Cut it out Weebs. :nono:
Sorry, not trying to be too mean.

[thejetstolehome]

bobby aFUCKINGbreu!!!!!!

[DaveFeelsRight]

yay yankees

[Chriz2z]

Mags is slower than molasses.

[Talib Scottie]

I love you Bobby Abreu!

[jaimej]

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[fcknazisympathy]

BOBBBBBBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

2-0

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I'm sure where ever mikeford is right now hes absolutely loving this. lol

[thejetstolehome]

sheff <3

[Talib Scottie]

and Sheff!

[jaimej]

Sorry, not trying to be too mean.
Haha I know. It's all good.
Mags is slower than molases.
Last time I saw the Yanks play Detroit I was sitting in the Right field bleachers and everytime he would take the field everyone would chant faaaaaaglioooooooo. Hahahaha.
I love you Bobby Abreu!
MVP of the postseason. Mark my words.

[Chriz2z]

BOBBBBBBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

2-0

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I'm sure where ever mikeford is right now hes absolutely loving this. lol
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=175716

[fcknazisympathy]

Sorry Nate Robertson, this isnt the Yankee line up full of half ass back ups that you faced before.

[fcknazisympathy]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=175716

I know he lost the bet thats why I said that

[Scott Weber]

this is fucking lame. same shit every year.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

this yankees lineup just mashes

[thejetstolehome]

straighten that out, giambi...

[Chriz2z]

I know he lost the bet thats why I said that
I get it, now.

[Talib Scottie]

and Giambi!!!

[thejetstolehome]

THAT'S WHAT I'M FUCKING TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!

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[Chriz2z]

Fuck.

[jaimej]

Seeya!!!

[fcknazisympathy]

Soooooooooooooo you cant slug your way to victory huh?

[jaimej]

Oh man I miss Michael Kay at times like these. I wish I was sitting in those damn bleachers right now.

[Scott Weber]

detroit is going to get swept.

[Robb]

Jeez.

[fcknazisympathy]

Come on ARod we're up by 5. Meaningless home run time!!

[jaimej]

That homerun went exactly where my season tickets are going to be next year. I'm so stoked for that.

[Talib Scottie]

haha, if the bases are empty A-Rod is getting a hit

jay/kay I love A-Rod.

[jaimej]

Come on ARod we're up by 5. Meaningless home run time!!
Haha right.

[thejetstolehome]

Oh man I miss Michael Kay at times like these. I wish I was sitting in those damn bleachers right now.

why would you EVER miss michael kay?

[Scott Weber]

fuck jeter and his fucking fist pumps, he's so obnoxious.

[jaimej]

Give us another asshole to hit the shit out of. Waste all your pitchers.

[Robb]

Wow, an out.

[Chriz2z]

Mags... wow.

[jaimej]

why would you EVER miss michael kay?
I just miss his "SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYA!"

[fcknazisympathy]

why would you EVER miss michael kay?

True that.

[Talib Scottie]

I read an article the other day where Randy Johnson said he could win 17 games anywhere, he went to New York for a championship... I found this funny as he had a 5.00 ERA... for the Arizona Diamondbacks that's called 8-19.

[Chriz2z]

This game or math homework. What should I do/watch?

[fcknazisympathy]

Nate Robertson's ERA: 15.00

[thejetstolehome]

This game or math homework. What should I do/watch?

is that a serious question?

[fcknazisympathy]

I just miss his "SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYA!"

He has the fucking worst homerun call ever and he provides zero insight into the game.

[Robb]

This game or math homework. What should I do/watch?

Math homework. Better make sure you don't fail as well.

[Chriz2z]

How did he make your 25-man rosters:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=150035

?

[thejetstolehome]

He has the fucking worst homerun call ever and he provides zero insight into the game.

facts.

[jaimej]

He has the fucking worst homerun call ever and he provides zero insight into the game.
I like it.

[fcknazisympathy]

Our bullpen sucks.

[Chriz2z]

Math homework. Better make sure you don't fail as well.
But then it'd just be a big Yankee lovefest... and you guys don't want that.

[fcknazisympathy]

lol@Detroit free swinging I mean youd think you wanna at least take the count to 0-2

[jaimej]

But then it'd just be a big Yankee lovefest... and you guys don't want that.
Yeah don't leave I like the debate.

[Chriz2z]

Pudge is over-confident. Doesn't he know he isn't on roids anymore?

[bigmike]

So, just want to say so far: Nate Rob with the big mistake not back handing the dribbler from damon. Sweet uncalled strike 3 on Jeter. But credit to the yanks for capitalizing on those mistakes.


also, is there anyone in NY willing to just rip out the vocal chords of joe buck and tim mccarver? I've got starbursts here I can pay you in.

[Talib Scottie]

I have always loved Pudge though... my all-time favorite catcher.

But Pudge can wait another day.

[bigmike]

Pudge is over-confident. Doesn't he know he isn't on roids anymore?
I'd like to just see pudge go to right field. he's been getting away from that as of late.

[thejetstolehome]

chriz2z, if you leave, i will go to rochester hills and remove your balls. stay. please. baseball > homework. i'm honestly considering writing to my professors and telling them i'll be half assing EVERYTHING so long as the playoffs are on.

[fcknazisympathy]

So, just want to say so far: Nate Rob with the big mistake not back handing the dribbler from damon. Sweet uncalled strike 3 on Jeter. But credit to the yanks for capitalizing on those mistakes.


also, is there anyone in NY willing to just rip out the vocal chords of joe buck and tim mccarver? I've got starbursts here I can pay you in.

Soooo bigmike, remember when you ripped me in Julyish about how the Tigers were better than the Yankees because of pitching? I dont think pitching has done much tonight for you guys. :-P


And Wang says sit the fuck down Pudge for the second time.

[thejetstolehome]

So, just want to say so far: Nate Rob with the big mistake not back handing the dribbler from damon. Sweet uncalled strike 3 on Jeter. But credit to the yanks for capitalizing on those mistakes.


also, is there anyone in NY willing to just rip out the vocal chords of joe buck and tim mccarver? I've got starbursts here I can pay you in.

i'm down. what flavor?

[jaimej]

So, just want to say so far: Nate Rob with the big mistake not back handing the dribbler from damon. Sweet uncalled strike 3 on Jeter. But credit to the yanks for capitalizing on those mistakes.


also, is there anyone in NY willing to just rip out the vocal chords of joe buck and tim mccarver? I've got starbursts here I can pay you in.

I'd watch the game in silence if I could pay attention. They're horrendous.

[Chriz2z]

Joe Buck, "Regis, the Donald, and Dick Ebersol from NBC..."

Pudge sucks.

[bigmike]

Soooo bigmike, remember when you ripped me in Julyish about how the Tigers were better than the Yankees because of pitching? I dont think pitching has done much tonight for you guys. :-P
Wow. you're right. because 162 game season is null becuase of a 5 run inning. Thank you for failing to bring any sort of logic at all.

And for using the retarded smilie. Please, don't talk.
i'm down. what flavor?
The original kind.

[thejetstolehome]

Soooo bigmike, remember when you ripped me in Julyish about how the Tigers were better than the Yankees because of pitching? I dont think pitching has done much tonight for you guys. :-P

i swear to christ if we don't pitch well the rest of the game and nate rob becomes unhittable.....

[Chriz2z]

chriz2z, if you leave, i will go to rochester hills and remove your balls. stay. please. baseball > homework. i'm honestly considering writing to my professors and telling them i'll be half assing EVERYTHING so long as the playoffs are on.
Hahaha, then I'll stay.

[thejetstolehome]

Hahaha, then I'll stay.

haha thank you.

[Talib Scottie]

and Johnny Damon's ugly ass swing still pisses me off.

Jeter 3-3

[fcknazisympathy]

Jeter is 3-3 yay!

[Chriz2z]

Oops

[Robb]

Whoops.

[thejetstolehome]

:-/ come on, abreu. protect the runner....

[Chriz2z]

Ok, let's start chipping away at this lead...

Knock around a little Wang and then get to the middle relief.

[fcknazisympathy]

.......

[DaveFeelsRight]

Ok, let's start chipping away at this lead...

Knock around a little Wang and then get to the middle relief.i like to :-P wang


srsly

[bigmike]

Ok, let's start chipping away at this lead...

Knock around a little Wang and then get to the middle relief.
Bingo. this game's still winnable. It's not exactly the most unhittable pen. Just got to get Wang out by the end of the 7th, at the latest.

[fcknazisympathy]

i like to :-P wang


srsly

hahaha

[thejetstolehome]

i like to :-P wang


srsly

how long before someone makes a joke about jeter/rodriguez/wang (in cock context, not chien ming)

[thejetstolehome]

fuck........

[Robb]

No more goose egg.

[Chriz2z]

Yes, a HR. I thought Damon was gonna get that.

[Robb]

Coming off the bat, I certainly did not think that would go out.

[fcknazisympathy]

Come on Wang bounce back its only 1.

[Talib Scottie]

That ball carried a mile, either that or Johnny Damon horribly judged it... he should have caught that.

[bigmike]

wasteofspace04 (9:45:52 PM): time for monroe to start the rally.

thejetstolehome can vouch that I pretty much can tell the future.

[thejetstolehome]

sighhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Chriz2z]

Coming off the bat, I certainly did not think that would go out.
It's a fly ball out at Comerica. As is the Giambi HR.

[thejetstolehome]

wasteofspace04 (9:45:52 PM): time for monroe to start the rally.

thejetstolehome can vouch that I pretty much can tell the future.

haha my statement didn't hurt either....FUCK.

[Talib Scottie]

come on Wang... we need you to go deep into this game.

[bigmike]

It's a fly ball out at Comerica. As is the Giambi HR.
In Comerica, nothing hit to CF is anything BUT an out. Which makes the Eric Munson Walk Off HR from 2004 so impressive. it hit the camera well out in CF and it wasn't coming down when it hit the camera well.

[Chriz2z]

Fair ball!!

5-2... exactly what we needed.

[Robb]

Oh come on, don't go making it interesting. I thought I might get some sleep tonight.

[bigmike]

And that's what we needed. at least 2 in this inning and now for Nate Rob to do his job.

[thejetstolehome]

fuck meeeeeee IN THE ASSSHOLE!

fcknazi :-/

[Chriz2z]

In Comerica, nothing hit to CF is anything BUT an out. Which makes the Eric Munson Walk Off HR from 2004 so impressive. it hit the camera well out in CF and it wasn't coming down when it hit the camera well.
That weekend was amazing. Too bad we blew then.

[Robb]

Dave Matthews... bleh.

[Chriz2z]

Ohh, 5-3 with a double.

[thejetstolehome]

FUCKDLKSFJAS;LKDJFL;ASDJFAL;SFJA

x

[Scott Weber]

YES!!!

these announcers are idiots. pro wrestling and the bible can't go together? pathetic.